Does Wax Break Loose Rust? My Test | Engels Coach Shop

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  • When it comes to breaking loose rust there are many ideas as to what works best. Some suggested I try candle wax or paraffin, so this is my test to see how it works. When I am building and restoring horse drawn vehicles I am always breaking loose parts frozen by rust, so I what to know as well. Thanks for coming along!
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  • @fordfan3179
    @fordfan3179 5 місяців тому +107

    Never in a million years did I ever think I'd be excited to see a manure spreader being restored!

    • @SPW812
      @SPW812 5 місяців тому +6

      They’re pretty twice in their lives; when new and when junked (restored in this instance).

    • @TheOpossumtx
      @TheOpossumtx 5 місяців тому +3

      I was just happy to have the last tool of that sort disappear into the dust cloud behind me!

    • @Martin52863
      @Martin52863 5 місяців тому +6

      I get far more excited by seeing one being restored than one full of chicken poop being used.

    • @fordfan3179
      @fordfan3179 5 місяців тому

      @@Martin52863 I'm loving the process. Hope it all works out.

    • @jonas2431
      @jonas2431 5 місяців тому +5

      I'd love to pull up my chair and just watch him work all day. I want a front row seat. Maybe I could help him out if needed

  • @johannes.f.r.
    @johannes.f.r. 5 місяців тому +6

    So nice that your parts automatically get sandblasted on the walk to your saw. Wish my rough lumber would get cleaned up on that walk, too.

  • @geraldguyette470
    @geraldguyette470 5 місяців тому +4

    Dave , the main thing is you got it apart with no broken parts , very good .

  • @craftycri
    @craftycri 5 місяців тому +4

    How many broke into a satisfied smile when that spider broke loose!!! So fine!!!

  • @outlawflyer7868
    @outlawflyer7868 5 місяців тому +37

    Out of all the wagons you have built, this is the one I can't wait to see working again.

  • @redrockplumber5124
    @redrockplumber5124 5 місяців тому +4

    I think immobilizing the bar helped the most. Thank you for bringing us along! 😊

  • @johnhimmelmann6597
    @johnhimmelmann6597 5 місяців тому +7

    The most amazing thing to me is that Dave will actually be able to reassemble this jigsaw puzzle.

  • @michaelpeters7044
    @michaelpeters7044 5 місяців тому +4

    Wow! By the time you take a part off and put it down it's magicaly clean and rust free. Lol 😂 😅😂😅😊 The power of editing. Lol 😂

  • @MohamedUAE
    @MohamedUAE 5 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for uploading such a nice episodes of this I call it "wonderful" machine. God bless you.

  • @robertstewart7744
    @robertstewart7744 5 місяців тому +5

    I really like this build. Great work.

  • @mayforddavis9291
    @mayforddavis9291 5 місяців тому +5

    Another episode of the "master" at work! God Bless to you and Mrs. Engels.

  • @davidshaper5146
    @davidshaper5146 5 місяців тому +8

    I can't believe I'm watching the dismantling of a manure spreader. When's the next video?

    • @dianeengel4155
      @dianeengel4155 5 місяців тому +2

      Dave's videos are posted Tuedays and Fridays at 3 pm MST.

  • @cyclingbutterbean
    @cyclingbutterbean 5 місяців тому +39

    Dr Dave experimentations to enlighten and educate the viewers and followers. Two thumbs up.

  • @LynnMorgan-fh2re
    @LynnMorgan-fh2re 5 місяців тому +7

    I am an old heavy machinery mechanic, ( fix 'em where they fall, too big to go to the shop). Any lube which does not break down with heat works. A cheap pneumatic hammer is a recommended tool, not a good hard hitting one, a 600-1000 BPM "buzz gun". Drill a piece of brass to make a soft tip, even hammering in the wrong direction while pulling can help move stubborn parts.

  • @joereedsmith1531
    @joereedsmith1531 5 місяців тому +37

    The fact that he knows how to rebuild it and put it all back together without instructions is just incredible.

    • @matthewgrimes3615
      @matthewgrimes3615 5 місяців тому +6

      just do the video backwards to see how parts go. Did not notice if he made measurements for spacing parts on shaft length.

    • @Crewsy
      @Crewsy 5 місяців тому +3

      The video becomes his instruction manual. That’s one reason to show the parts the way he does as he takes them off.
      I’m sure the old rusty shafts have enough witness marks to show position and spacing when it all goes together but it’s incredible just the same that it will go back together and function as good as new when it’s done.

    • @dangeary2134
      @dangeary2134 5 місяців тому +1

      I rebuilt a truck transmission, once.
      The boss asked me what I needed.
      Everyone to stay out of the shop was my answer.
      No books, no drawings, no specs.
      Just put the parts in specific locations and orientations, and you are good to go.
      I’ve done enough old carburetors, I just let the parts fall onto my carb rag, and just put it back together.
      Rebuilt the carb on my youngest son’s car with him, a 1984 Thunderbird.
      I watched his eyes as the parts were all falling out.
      The expressions were PRICELESS!!!

    • @joereedsmith1531
      @joereedsmith1531 5 місяців тому

      @@dangeary2134 Dont blame him hes a good boy. Hes just a victim of the throwaway Society. I bought a Shark Mop fool me. Its held together with security screws some reverse pitted 7 star arrangement and the tool to unscrew them is 40 bucks whilst the mop cost 100. Planned obsolescence is hard to beat.

    • @dbasiliere
      @dbasiliere 5 місяців тому +1

      It's a farmer thing.

  • @davecooper8465
    @davecooper8465 5 місяців тому +25

    I am truely going to love watching you put this wagon back together as it has been amazing to watching you dismantle it keep up the good work and thank you

  • @allanmoore4794
    @allanmoore4794 5 місяців тому +6

    If it's up for a vote, I vote "it's the Heat" more than any type lube that best loosens rusty parts.

  • @rhyfelur
    @rhyfelur 5 місяців тому +7

    Boy, who would have thought that much ingenuity went into making a manure spreader

  • @garycornelisse9228
    @garycornelisse9228 5 місяців тому +6

    I'm amazed how complex the mechanics on that wagon are.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +2

      This wagon was built after the Wright Brothers flew. Not long after but a couple of years.

  • @rickharper6320
    @rickharper6320 5 місяців тому +4

    A tried & true method on stubborn rusted cast parts.
    Thanks for sharing !!!!

  • @KeefyKat
    @KeefyKat 5 місяців тому +14

    I went back and added them all up. You're currently 11,431 taps into this project. 🔨🛠🔨

    • @johne189
      @johne189 5 місяців тому +1

      Check again, I'm at 11,577 taps.
      Maybe you're scoring some of the double-taps as one? IE 18:14.

  • @LynnMorgan-fh2re
    @LynnMorgan-fh2re 5 місяців тому +6

    I keep hearing people refer to "oil holes" most places where steel shafts run in cast iron bushings were intended to be greased. Most early grease guns were a simple cylinder with a piston and a conical nose. Oil and field dirt made grinding compound. Up until the 40's formulas were around for making "machine grease" at home from tallow, lard, and pine rosin, (also paraffin, bee's wax, tar, et cetera). the grease may not have been the best lubricant, but it excluded the abrasive dirt.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +5

      When you're drag racing you oil the bearings for less friction. Dave is hot rodding this wagon!

  • @karriefalon7779
    @karriefalon7779 5 місяців тому +6

    when we tore down the gangs on breaking disics we threw them into a tank of water and let them soak a few days they come right apart. as well as getting the Mulboards off Dozer blades we used to drop the blade into water and left them to soak. stuff like the manure spreader is same sorta therory, is mud like rust and water dirt and air makes rust and water returns it back to softer compounds. as say worked well for us just settin this out there

  • @maggs131
    @maggs131 5 місяців тому +4

    Rust is an amazing fastener when it swells up inside a joint. I have a 66 c10 and there's 2 U bolts holding the rear onto the trailing arms. The rust inside the trailing arms around those U bolts was so strong I could've driven that truck around without the nuts on the U bolts confidently

  • @paulkramer4176
    @paulkramer4176 5 місяців тому +32

    I guess it is nice always to have the video of your taking it apart! Pretty nicely built and designed for something back then. Nice castings!

  • @rexmyers991
    @rexmyers991 5 місяців тому +3

    So interesting! The more it’s disassembled the more complex I see this machine is.

  • @mrclaus859
    @mrclaus859 5 місяців тому +5

    Another great one. Thanks Dave

  • @jwstanley2645
    @jwstanley2645 5 місяців тому +6

    Given your experience of securing steel tires, perhaps you could heat the outer piece (cog, gear, etc.) while cooling the inner pieces (rod, axle, etc) with liquid nitrogen. There is a guy Criss from Cutting Edge Engineering Australia (UA-cam) who soaks steel bearings in liquid nitrogen to shrink them for an interference fit. As for this video, I speculate the heat helped more than the wax by stressing the rust through the heat expansion action. Meanwhile, liquid nitrogen may not be available at the Joliet Hardware Store. More than anything, Thanks for sharing.

    • @stephengile530
      @stephengile530 5 місяців тому +1

      Watch that channel also. Get a kick when he starts with the Banana measurements.

  • @richardormrod5758
    @richardormrod5758 5 місяців тому +4

    you did a good job nothing broken well done thanks for a great video again looking forward to the next

  • @beyondmiddleagedman7240
    @beyondmiddleagedman7240 5 місяців тому +6

    I've used wax. I'm not convinced of its efficacy. I've been a huge fan of Kroil for many years. Recently I saw some stuff (Superzilla) advertised on TV that was supposed to be the end all, be all. On a whim I bought some. For a lot of things it truly is fantastic. Others, it's about the same as anything else. What convinced me to keep it around was removing a 35 year old Turbocharger and exhaust manifold of a diesel engine. Sprayed it on and left it sit overnight. Stuff flowed everywhere. A coating over all the iron. I dismantled it all without a single broken bolt or stud.

  • @Cheggley45
    @Cheggley45 5 місяців тому +3

    I’m amazed at how you remember where all the parts came from and how they all go back together. Yankee know how and ingenuity are still alive in America, thank God! Great videos.

  • @chrisallen2005
    @chrisallen2005 5 місяців тому +6

    Nice to have the videos for when it is time to put everything back together. Sure beats back in the day, like us old boys say, when we had a stack of polaroids to reference.

  • @harpintn
    @harpintn 5 місяців тому +3

    I like the fact that you are taking the time to sandblast as you disassemble. The pictures and video will also be a help when it comes time to put back together.

  • @theresawhite7981
    @theresawhite7981 5 місяців тому +4

    As a power plant mechanic we used bees wax on frozen and galled threads and fits. Love this project.

  • @jimnelsen2064
    @jimnelsen2064 5 місяців тому +14

    I have done a lot of mechanicing over the years, lots of shafts, pulleys, gears, bearings, impellers. I have to say I am amazed how EASY some of these parts have come apart for you considering how long they have been assembled and sitting in the weather. Maybe its the result of the cast steel instead of forged steel in more modern equipment? Or maybe the rust just knows you are going to win.

  • @PeterWMeek
    @PeterWMeek 5 місяців тому +19

    A piece of pipe that fits easily around the shaft. Use as a slide hammer to get that last piece of fragile cast iron off.

  • @louishayworth9023
    @louishayworth9023 5 місяців тому +3

    I'm amazed that you remember where all these pieces go when you put it back together. I love your videos.

  • @FuquarProductions
    @FuquarProductions 5 місяців тому +6

    I like that your drift/punch is the stem off an OS&Y valve. 9:34 The little groove seen is there for a valve tamper switch which indicates that it was likely used in a fire sprinkler system.

  • @dazaspc
    @dazaspc 5 місяців тому +7

    i think is the combination of both. Heat opens the gap , and brakes down the corrosion a little by getting out the moisture allowing it to move a little. The Wax gets in a uses capillary action to fill the gap. The ongoing movements are aided by the wax preventing it from picking up again on the shaft. That and it being cast iron being somewhat porous having the wax get into the pours adds to the lubricity of the iron making it less likely to stick again. A bit like self lubricating bearing material. You can and I have used wax in the past in place of commercial never seize on long term assemblies that were exposed to sea water and air. It worked just as well as the never seize/copper coat that I had at the time.

  • @buckhorncortez
    @buckhorncortez 5 місяців тому +5

    I like the way you take parts off and when they're put on the table they're sandblasted. It never works like in my shop...I'm waiting to see the trade secret for that method...looks like a time saver...

  • @davemanley2954
    @davemanley2954 5 місяців тому +21

    When I was a kid in the 60’s there was an old wagon sitting at the edge of town on a vacant lot-the folks used to stop & let us play on it (pretending to be cowboys)
    Always wanted to try & build one-or at least learn about them.
    Thanks for your videos!

    • @jeffclark2725
      @jeffclark2725 5 місяців тому +4

      Oh I see it getting used once in a while, if anything flinging old hay across the pasture

  • @powellmrp6335
    @powellmrp6335 5 місяців тому +5

    Excellent work, as ever, Sir. I've been following along for a couple years now -- and I finally figured out what's missing: a'int no cussin'! Either you don't, or is it carefully edited out? I could >never< make it through some of your difficulties without a few choice words.

  • @picklesontheroad
    @picklesontheroad 5 місяців тому +8

    I'm very happy to see that it worked! I know my old Meister (German for master or senior engineer) would have been as proud to watch this video as I was!

  • @TheJimbodean67
    @TheJimbodean67 5 місяців тому +5

    Was wondering if there were any babbit bearings in all that mechanical mayhem. At least it looked like there were a couple in tighter tolerance areas. Reminds me of some of the mystery equipment my grandfather had on the farm in northern Iowa. I think one was a pto or belt driven corn thresher(?) machine that looked like a WW1 tank parked behind the barn. Had galvanized sheet metal all over it.
    Thanks for taking the time to record and share your work sir.

    • @dwightl5863
      @dwightl5863 5 місяців тому +2

      More than likely a small grain thresher. The sheet metal gives it away. Different machine used for shelling corn.

  • @1shotbarbeque881
    @1shotbarbeque881 5 місяців тому +4

    I appreciate the time laps.. cause what took you 20 min. Would have taken me 20 days ! And the old wax trick..wonder who the first person to ever try that and discover that it works.Your a boss , thanks for sharing 🇺🇲 merica

  • @shortfuse43
    @shortfuse43 5 місяців тому +6

    Probably the most valuable thing about your videos is that you have a good record of how things came apart, which makes it much easier to put back together!!

  • @AdelinoGambiarras
    @AdelinoGambiarras 5 місяців тому +2

    My opinion is both must work together as one team, is always team work is better.

  • @corrydolbeer1464
    @corrydolbeer1464 5 місяців тому +6

    The really amazing thing is, you remember how that all goes back together!
    Excellent job!!

  • @johnhiggins9838
    @johnhiggins9838 5 місяців тому +5

    During my time as a airplane builder and mechanic, I have come across some stubborn fasteners. I found the easiest way to get them out was to use a 3X or 4X rivet gun. Very rapid blows with a flat set, have never had any fastener fail to come out. Don't know which would be noisier, I vote for the gun to win the noise contest.

    • @garthbutton699
      @garthbutton699 5 місяців тому

      My all time favorite is the Chicago pneumatic model 717,you can tickle the trigger so slow you can count the blows it is a brute!

    • @garthbutton699
      @garthbutton699 5 місяців тому +1

      My all time favorite is the Chicago pneumatic model 717,you can tickle the trigger so slow you can count the blows it is a brute!

    • @garthbutton699
      @garthbutton699 5 місяців тому

      My all time favorite is the Chicago pneumatic model 717,you can tickle the trigger so slow you can count the blows it is a brute!

    • @garthbutton699
      @garthbutton699 5 місяців тому

      My all time favorite is the Chicago pneumatic model 717,you can tickle the trigger so slow you can count the blows it is a brute!

    • @garthbutton699
      @garthbutton699 5 місяців тому

      My all time favorite is the Chicago pneumatic model 717,you can tickle the trigger so slow you can count the blows it is a brute!

  • @jistpassinthru
    @jistpassinthru 5 місяців тому +6

    Enjoy your videos and your ability to turn sows ears into silk purses. Hopng you will make, at least, one more video than I am around to watch!

  • @tomtruesdale6901
    @tomtruesdale6901 5 місяців тому +9

    I have heard of using wax when installing screws in hardwoods and also for when cutting aluminum with a chop saw but never heard of it being used to remove rusted metal parts. Learned something new today. Thank you for the knowledge.

    • @billywird
      @billywird 5 місяців тому +3

      When I was a little boy we were told that to lubricate wood screws one would use soap my Granddaddy taught me that one. Wax would work just as well. I figured that the heat would draw the wax up into those pieces, and of course the last piece took a little while but one has to have patience in disassembly to avoid damaging parts and spending more time repairing them. Isn't it amazing how that agricultural equipment can be so complicated from a mechanical standpoint?

  • @glencrandall7051
    @glencrandall7051 5 місяців тому +16

    Some parts gave up without much fight but some were really stubborn. As others have mentioned, the reassembly will be real interesting as I expect you have no parts drawings. I can see you reassembling the the mechanical but how do you figure all that rotted wood? I will be here to see how you do it. Thank you for sharing. Have a great 2024 and stay safe.🙂🙂

  • @farmerbill6855
    @farmerbill6855 5 місяців тому +4

    You're a braver man than I, all that pounding on irreplaceable cast parts. I surly would have cracked something, brass drift and all. Good job.
    Best regards from Indiana.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +2

      You break it you braze it.

  • @HamiltonSRink
    @HamiltonSRink 5 місяців тому +2

    Retired auto mechanic here. If one observes the hot riveted structure of a massive bridge built during the heyday of American construction, one will see that there is considerable rust on the outside. Where the massive steel plates are held fast together by the rivets, there is no deformation of the plates. Where the spacing of the rivets is further apart, the steel plates show a bending deformation. This is because as steel oxidizes, the resulting rust exerts a force of expansion, tons of force per square inch. Where the steel plate is strong enough, and the rivets are sufficiently close enough, the rust proceeds and expands until the physical strength resists expansion, stopping further rust. Observing this, I conclude that the steel shaft rust expanded inside the cast part making removal difficult. I my opinion the heat applied to the cast part caused it to become slightly larger which was the key to its removal. The oil and wax certainly helped. Oily greasy steel seems to not rust.

  • @creepingjesus5106
    @creepingjesus5106 5 місяців тому +27

    As an engineering nerd, it's fascinating to see it dismantled - doubly so, as if you say, somebody sat down to design the simplest machine to do the job required of it. K.I.S.S. is all too readily forgotten when designing something, and the poor soul out in the field (actually, in this case) ends up with a devil of a job keeping it maintained!

    • @gregorythomas333
      @gregorythomas333 5 місяців тому +6

      Grandpa taught me how to KISS when I was a kid :)

    • @marlinhomrighausen5552
      @marlinhomrighausen5552 5 місяців тому +4

      There were no computers...... and very few other designs to compare to. I knew the gentleman that created the prototype hydrostatic driven Cub Cadet and Wheelhorse garden tractors. As Charlie said.... first thing he needed was a garden tractor. He had to go back to school to learn mechanical engineering. He was a hydraulics engineer. 😊

    • @markthompson8656
      @markthompson8656 5 місяців тому +4

      For such a simple machine there sure are a lot of parts!

    • @markthompson8656
      @markthompson8656 5 місяців тому +1

      For such a simple machine there sure are a lot of parts!

  • @normmcrae1140
    @normmcrae1140 5 місяців тому +4

    It came apart!!! Lots of heat, wax, penetrating oil Elbow grease, and perseverance! Looks like no damaged parts, either! BONUS!!!!

  • @JF-fx2qv
    @JF-fx2qv 5 місяців тому +17

    I think it was a combination of wax as a lube / consolidator of rust, high temp. heat and the fact you finally sat on the axle keeping it somewhat stationary allowing more force applied to sprocket.
    I’m pleased that you are restoring this particular wagon. I love it simple; yet complex, mechanics. 👍

    • @chuckthebull
      @chuckthebull 5 місяців тому +2

      Thought he was not butting it up against anything for fear of busting that casting ..I know i would have been

  • @user-bc6wi6zy3k
    @user-bc6wi6zy3k 5 місяців тому +13

    Until the torch heats the components to an id and od respectively, than allows the lubricant to enter that space differential, it's a stand-off. The choice of the wax was a bonus as it has to property to drawn to heat, as you point out. Perfect pair..

  • @olddawgdreaming5715
    @olddawgdreaming5715 5 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for sharing with us Dave, going back and using all the lubricants and tools of the day was interesting and so many of them are still being used today and work just as well. Using the old parts from what is left and fabricating replacement parts to look original is the finest history related material to show the past and where we have come from. This is another awesome ride in the making. Fred.

  • @Cadcare
    @Cadcare 5 місяців тому +3

    I am impressed by the use of that highly sensitive clamping device at 18:12, which is manufactured locally, I believe.

  • @wileycoyotesr8623
    @wileycoyotesr8623 5 місяців тому +7

    My dad applied high temp heat to loosen parts, mainly bolts and nuts. He said the Navy taught that to him. Rust is mainly hydrated iron oxide and extreme heating makes it lose its water content. I've always thought this was your theory too. I liked this video. 👍👍👍

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +3

      You heat rust up enough it'll lose more than just water content. It'll completely burn away.

    • @harrymoyes5069
      @harrymoyes5069 5 місяців тому +2

      @@1pcfred Burning iron oxide seems questionable. Possibly a reducing flame would actually reduce the iron oxide to iron, which would reduce the bulk of the iron oxide and assist in clearing the joint.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +2

      @@harrymoyes5069 iron oxide has the reducer in it already. The oxygen. So when heated it has an affinity to burn. I've torched plenty of brown rusty metal and ended up with clean gray metal. What's your explanation for how that happens?

    • @IraFuse_422
      @IraFuse_422 5 місяців тому +1

      How about the simple rule heat expands, cold contracts? Heating up the female component creates a small tolerance which allows less resistance to slide/rotate.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +2

      @@IraFuse_422 with the parts together it is impossible to heat just one. But they're going to expand at different rates which causes beneficial thermal stress. You can certainly try to heat the outer part more than the inner one too. Everyone does. Beyond expansion heat can do something else in this instance too. Enough heat can convert rust. Which does help. Now it can be argued what actually got the parts apart. But I don't think it really matters. All that does matter is they came apart. Nothing is as effective as heat either. The smoke wrench always works. I've never had it fail on me.

  • @markbrown-us4xe
    @markbrown-us4xe 5 місяців тому +1

    As much as I enjoyed watching you be tough and gentle at the same time the Blue grass music helped me.
    Thanks Really coming along.

  • @dougstrong8519
    @dougstrong8519 5 місяців тому +5

    I have used the paraffin to remove screws and bolts on antique cars that I work on. Many are real small diameters and stuck really hard, and without heat and wax will usually just break off.

  • @warrenbridges4095
    @warrenbridges4095 5 місяців тому +4

    I've done wonders with heat, and I agree with you as I think the heat expanded the sprocket enough to break the rust, draw the wax in & lubricate it.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +4

      Beyond that you get it hot enough the rust will burn away. You take rusty metal and heat it up and when it cools the rust will be totally gone. You'll have clean gray metal then. Rust is metal combined with oxygen. It wants to burn.

  • @gregorythomas333
    @gregorythomas333 5 місяців тому +6

    There is a surprising amount of iron in the machine!

  • @danfarris135
    @danfarris135 5 місяців тому +12

    My mom worked in the Wurlitzer piano factory in the sixties. Her go to for a hard to turn screw was a stick of wax. As a kid I thought she was crazy.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +5

      Wax definitely works with wood screws.

    • @petert3355
      @petert3355 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@1pcfred
      Always had a jar of bees wax in granddads' wood shop.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +4

      @@petert3355 I have paraffin wax. It's sealing wax. I use it on saw plates, plane soles, driving screws. It works good on zippers too. Easing drawers. Handy stuff.

  • @wlmjbrown
    @wlmjbrown 5 місяців тому +7

    You should have used beeswax here instead of paraffin. I’m sure it wouldn’t have affected the results, but it smells good.

  • @Hey_Its_That_Guy
    @Hey_Its_That_Guy 5 місяців тому +8

    My favorite penetrating fluid is a heavy mix of oxygen with smidge of acetylene. Works every time! 🤣 Personally, I don't believe anything really penetrates parts that are rusted together, except heat...and lots of it. Always enjoy following along, Dave. Be well!

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +5

      I believe the vibrations of impacts get in there too. But yeah once it's locked up solid nothing but heat and mechanical shocks are going to get through the solid material. At that point it's a hermetic seal. The only attacks that are effective then work at the atomic level.

    • @Hey_Its_That_Guy
      @Hey_Its_That_Guy 5 місяців тому +2

      @@1pcfred Agreed! I use an air impact, if available.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Hey_Its_That_Guy me too. Air power!

  • @michaeldurling793
    @michaeldurling793 5 місяців тому +2

    Well Dave ya taught me something again, I knew you were a fella worth watching. Anticipating the next step already.

  • @edwardbell1951
    @edwardbell1951 5 місяців тому +4

    Congratulations to you both on getting to 200,000 subscribers. All the best for 2024.
    NZL

  • @davemitchell9941
    @davemitchell9941 5 місяців тому +2

    In all my years of heavy engineering I’ve never heard of beeswax being used like this. Tip from a tool & die maker, eh?Makes perfect sense, as the hub expands on the shaft it goes in, doesn’t burn off & provides a lubricated surfaces. Once hub moves its away.
    I would have stood all that in diesel & old sump oil for a couple of weeks & got on with something else.🙂
    That method though never failed as diesel kills rust & the old oil gets in everywhere.
    Glad you’ve got a record on film of how it all came apart.
    Good move, good vid, thank you.

  • @blacksquirrel4008
    @blacksquirrel4008 5 місяців тому +2

    That came apart far, far easier than I would have imagined having set outside all those decades.
    Edit: Oops, wrote that at 15 minutes in.

  • @michaelfultz4256
    @michaelfultz4256 5 місяців тому +3

    Dave love your videos. I have mentioned a product for breaking rusty metal it's called Rust Patrol a great product. Give it a try .

  • @dandoyle2994
    @dandoyle2994 5 місяців тому +1

    I would say we don't give our forefathers enough credit. Incredible with the tools they had to work with back then.

  • @sunalp2
    @sunalp2 5 місяців тому +1

    Isn’t it funny how your mind works. Or doesn’t. I was thinking “I hope he’s taking pictures of where all the parts go”. Then I realised it’s all on video. 😂. Fascinating to watch. 👍

  • @duanelundgren7985
    @duanelundgren7985 5 місяців тому +10

    This may have been suggested before, but I have had fair success using a smaller air hammer... and I would say that your hammer and punch sort of provide that same vibratory effect... My thought is this... initially there was positive clearance, enough so the parts might rotate and function. Over time and non-use, iron oxide bridges that gap. Its grip grows stronger over time. The vibration of an air hammer... or hammer and punch.... or the expansion of heat is really hard on the rust bridge between the parts and breaks down that grip. Having a penetrant helps wash or float away the rust molecules... so I would agree that both paraffin or petroleum can benefit. I do like the air hammer to help break down the rust bridge (but it is nice not to break the Parts in the process!!). Well done, in any case!! And remember, free advice is worth what you pay for it!!! :-) :-)

    • @harrymoyes5069
      @harrymoyes5069 5 місяців тому +1

      The underlying problem is that adding oxygen to iron increases its bulk, while very much reducing its strength.. When that oxide is retained in the joint, the effect is to expand the iron around the joint, increasing the clamping force onto the inner.. The iron oxide is way weaker than the iron, so, if you can displace the oxide from the joint, there is more clearance in the joist, than was present before the oxidation took place. The expansion and contraction from the heating, and the shock from the hammering, all help to displace the intruding oxide. The suggestion of a vibrating pneumatic hammer would potentially encourage the clearance of the the frangible oxide from the joint.

  • @Reziac
    @Reziac 5 місяців тому +8

    Amazing how easily it comes apart (for some values of easily!) after sitting idle in the weather for mumblety-mumble years. Yeah, with that much iron in good shape, well worth the rebuild. We gotta see it in action.
    I use WD40 "Specialist" on stuck bolts... here is how good it is. Kennel bolts the dogs had been peeing on for 11 years... so stuck you'd about break a wrench on them. Regular penetrating oil got nowhere. Sprayed with this silicone Specialist stuff, left overnight, came right loose. Same with bolts that had been underground for almost two years. Had to get 'em loose in winter no less.
    I also use it to coat the snow shovel so the wet stuff doesn't stick. :)

    • @tuberzish
      @tuberzish 5 місяців тому +4

      I suspect that cast iron weathers much better than steel, but I don't know why. I've disassembled things made of cast iron (i.e., ground contact farm implements) that probably would have been just one large lump of rust if they were steel.

    • @Reziac
      @Reziac 5 місяців тому +3

      @@tuberzish Might be because the corrosion layer prevents it from welding itself to something else?

  • @allenforeman5691
    @allenforeman5691 5 місяців тому +3

    Enjoyed the wagons and coaches, but very interested in seeing you restore the manure spreader. I bet there are other old implements that could use your skills and knowledge, Maybe we will see some of those.

  • @markdauncey927
    @markdauncey927 5 місяців тому +3

    With that last sprocket I'd have been inclined to use its own mass to move it by dropping the shaft onto the floor (with timber buffer to stop head mushrooming).
    No need then to have to restrain the shaft while hammering.

  • @k13ehr
    @k13ehr 5 місяців тому +3

    I have always enjoyed your videos Dave regardless of the subject, it's all learning, but one thing I would have done that you don't do (or seem not to do) is start using the releasing/penetrating oils etc much sooner, they could be soaking for weeks once in the shop prior to you starting to dismantling them, I look forward with pleasure to you re-mantling it all on this one, it's so interesting all the whirring bits and pieces.

  • @claudreindl7275
    @claudreindl7275 5 місяців тому +2

    We had an old Case spreader. Ground drive with 2 levers. One for the beaters and one for the apron chain. The drive mechanism housing was covered with so much 💩 that I don't ever recall seeing the gear setup. That was over a period of 13 years working on the farm as a boy.

  • @anan0moose
    @anan0moose 5 місяців тому +8

    The major difference that I could see, was that you didn't try to restrain the movement of the rod until after you applied the red hot heat.

    • @jjohnson2553
      @jjohnson2553 5 місяців тому +3

      That's about the same thing I said. Should have put the end of the bar against the wall or something before hitting the gear so the bar isn't moving and absorbing the impact for all of the test. More consistent test method.

  • @gordbaker896
    @gordbaker896 5 місяців тому +4

    Do you ever use an Air Chisel with blunted shaft for these jobs? Holding the Shaft Vertical and slamming it on a piece of Oak?

  • @donstevens2488
    @donstevens2488 5 місяців тому +2

    I restored a 1941 truck that had lots of rusty parts. I tried wax, too, but didn't have much luck with it. Best thing was heat, applied to the outer part. I think it expands the outer part, while the inner part doesn't expand so much. That expansion opens the joint and breaks the rust free.

  • @rhack9165
    @rhack9165 5 місяців тому +2

    Hey I seen a Wyoming PBS show on a guy named Jack Mease, Miniaturist.
    He made a wagon and chuck box, anvil with a few other things.
    Thought you might enjoy watching cause all I thought about was you channel.
    Keep up the videos as you are on my short list of you tube creators.

  • @WayneCook306
    @WayneCook306 5 місяців тому +3

    Hi Dave and Diane, I find with rusted parts like that last one with heating red hot, it tends to heat the shaft at the same time if possible I heat till red hot and cool the shaft as quick as possible in cold water seems to help but of course, you can't always do that, but in this case, I would have given it a shot, whether the wax trick works or not I am a bit like you on that one not sure.??👍👍👍👍

  • @JorgeStolfi
    @JorgeStolfi 5 місяців тому +11

    I think your intuition makes sense. Wax, paraffin, and penetrating oil surely help sliding the part out after it gets unstuck, but I don't see how they could help getting the part unstuck in the first place -- unless one uses an acid fluid that can actually dissolve the rust. Heating to red hot, on the other hand, should help get the parts unstuck. Common rust is mostly iron oxide-hydroxide, FeO(OH). If heated to red hot, it should lose water and oxygen and turn into other oxides ("scale") such as Fe3O4, FeO, Fe2O3. This conversion should cause the rust to shrink, because some of the mass is lost and these oxides are denser than rust. It should also break the rust crystals into a powder.

    • @farmerbill6855
      @farmerbill6855 5 місяців тому +4

      You're overthinking the problem. Heat expands the part giving room hopefully, for capillary action to occur with the penetrant or the wax.

    • @dave_from_mo
      @dave_from_mo 5 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for adding a little science to the issue.

    • @JorgeStolfi
      @JorgeStolfi 5 місяців тому +2

      @@farmerbill6855 Expansion helps too, but it is not that much. If the axle too gets hot, the gap will hardly open up. As for wax or penetrating oil, it certainly helps sliding after the part gets unstuck, but I don't see how it could soften the solid rust that is holding the parts together, even if the rust gets soaked in it.

    • @sidekickbob7227
      @sidekickbob7227 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@JorgeStolfi My understanding is this; Since the rust transfer heat slower than iron, there's an insulation gap between the axle and the boss. In other words, the boss heats up faster, and expands faster than the axle in the beginning. Also take in consideration the time it takes for the heat to travel through the parts. This helps loosen the rust fixation between the parts. Added wax or oil can penetrate this crack (by capilary effect?) , and provide some lubrication between the parts.

    • @JorgeStolfi
      @JorgeStolfi 5 місяців тому +1

      @@sidekickbob7227 Hm, I smell a journal paper on this problem, maybe even a thesis topic and research grant... If only I was in Mechanical Engineering...
      I just stumbled on this video ua-cam.com/video/AWOaeGy_HnA/v-deo.html The guys fumble to loosen some stuck bolts, it is great comedy. But at one point they torch *the bolt* rather than the flange, and try to unscrew it while still red hot -- and it *may* have worked, against expectations. Could it be?

  • @NeilPayne-nf1sn
    @NeilPayne-nf1sn 5 місяців тому +4

    One of the few farm tools the manufacturer refuses to stand behind.

  • @richb419
    @richb419 5 місяців тому +5

    Hi Have you thought about using a pipe that fits the shaft as a slide hammer? it works very well for that application.
    Rich

  • @shrumittofarmer439
    @shrumittofarmer439 5 місяців тому +1

    You have it broken down!! That’s the best bit. I have a cabinet of soiled cans like a museum of “penetrating “ products. Ignorant of beeswax, until now. Have a good one Dave!

  • @timeflysintheshop
    @timeflysintheshop 5 місяців тому +3

    Since this is actually YOUR manure spreader, I sure hope we get to see it run when its all fixed up! If you don't want to actually spread manure with it, maybe you can use chopped straw or something as a standin so it has something to throw? 🤔🤔🤔

  • @richardthornhill4630
    @richardthornhill4630 5 місяців тому +20

    One could wonder how Dave remembers where all those parts fit and how to reassemble them without a schematic of parts.

    • @rufusblair7623
      @rufusblair7623 5 місяців тому +8

      Lots of pictures

    • @Renville80
      @Renville80 5 місяців тому +4

      He did video the process, so he probably just needs to rewatch the footage to jog his memory.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +6

      There's only two ways it goes together. The right way and all the other ways.

    • @chuckthebull
      @chuckthebull 5 місяців тому +2

      The beauty of videos

    • @petert3355
      @petert3355 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@1pcfred
      This needs to be written on page 1 of all manuals.
      😂

  • @tedmiles2110
    @tedmiles2110 5 місяців тому +2

    This reminds me of what the narrow gauge railroad people do; take away all the old iron and install all new wood! TM long time viewer

  • @charleshettrick2408
    @charleshettrick2408 5 місяців тому +3

    Used bees wax on cutting tools, lathe bits, and drills for 50 years. Greatly extends tool life. Had a 1 inch thick junk block of bees wax for 45 years next to the vise. Run the hack saw several times across the wax during a cut. Significantly cuts the work. (Real men use a hack saw.) :-) Never expected it to last 45 years. Bees wax works great on metal cutting band saw but is a giant mess to clean up. Blade runs cool, straight, and stays sharp. But bees wax builds up on the drive and guide wheels. I put up with cleaning because no oil drips, smoke, straight cuts, and long life blades.
    Not good for tapping holes. Holds chips and cannot stand the high pressures. Carburizes the steel surface and turns to smoke.
    Fantastic for low speed, low pressure cutting. Last month, started pricing another 15 pounds for the next 50 years.

  • @oikkuoek
    @oikkuoek 5 місяців тому +4

    You can hear the crackling on the last heating. The melting wax created an insulating barrier for the shaft, so it didn't get as hot as the red hot sprocket. Also the melting wax had already traveled in between the parts, so when heated it expanded thus helping the release process.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 5 місяців тому +3

      Wax on wax off!

  • @edwardlincoln5680
    @edwardlincoln5680 5 місяців тому +2

    I have used wax several times to get the axle flanges off of John Deere garden tractors along with a torch and a puller. Some guys saw them and split them but JD wants like $150 each now. Years ago a friend said his mechanic used heat and wax to remove the exhaust manifold bolts from 460 and 390 Fords.

  • @tomfaessler6072
    @tomfaessler6072 5 місяців тому +2

    Hammering like you did helped tremendously.

  • @TX-biker
    @TX-biker 5 місяців тому +2

    Do you ever have to watch your own videos to put this stuff back together?
    I am truly in awe

  • @larsbitsch-larsen6988
    @larsbitsch-larsen6988 5 місяців тому +2

    I agree that heat is the main reason. Heat (thermal expansion) breaks the rust formation that locks the joints. Interesting about beeswax.

  • @matthewnasci2646
    @matthewnasci2646 5 місяців тому +2

    I believe the repeated number of heats is a factor as well as the amount of heat. Heating and cooling cycles is movement by itself.