I have a question for you both. I have mostly varieties, elliot desirable and some indian names cant remember. What is considered "native"? If i just plant a seed from one of the varieties I understand it will be something else which is fine, does this make it a "native" pecan? I wouldn't mind planting just from seed if they are better. Also will a type 2 pecan seed make a type two tree? Or can it switch to a type 1? Thank you for answers.
@ShinerBock2007 Hello, as I understand it, Native Pecan trees are the variety 'native' to the central and southern portion of the United States. They are prolific here in Texas, and they are easy to spot because they are NOT grafted at the root. Willis Orchard company in Georgia sells them commercially. They are a small company and I suggest calling them before placing your order on the website. Native Pecans bear smaller nuts and are a pain to shell, but the flavor is so much better, and the trees live for hundreds of years.
Planning on planting about 30 cultivars this winter. I’m leaning toward Avalon, Lakota, and Cape Fear. Also have one Desirable that was grafted to a Stuart that makes both nuts.
Very nice! That’s interesting about the grafted tree. My grandfather talks about a tree on his farm growing up that was grafted and producers two kinds of nuts. So interesting! Good luck with your planting!
Thanks! Pecan trees are just beautiful and produce a great nut. Good luck, and let me know if there are other questions you have that we can answer with another possible video! Stay tuned, a few more are on the editor's table as we speak.
About 22 years ago, we bred Lucas x creek (x 100) and we now have our own cultivated variety "Tracey" which is a type 2 tree. We also grow native Missouri type and, Kanza, Kiowa, and Peroque, Posey.
@@BagANut You can only do it so many times in a lifetime, when it takes 20 years to prove one out. (after the trees are grown and have a few fruiting seasons to evaluate the nuts, scab resistance, etc) Don't want to post on your channel, but I did a video on "Tracey" nut if you care to see what it looks like.
For my backyard orchard in southwest Louisiana I chose Elliott and Jackson. A type 1 and 2 that the chart says are compatible, and they are known to be partially self-fertile because there are spans where both the male and female flowers are open.
2022 South West Louisiana. Looking for a certain pecan from my youth.. It is a small, hard to shell pecan but such a rich flavor. Any idea what the name of this variety ???
@@SueBHoney-cq8co Sounds like it would be one of the really old varieties, or maybe wild pecans. Wild fruit usually tastes much better than fruit off a tree you got in a nursery, but it is smaller fruit with smaller yields.
There was a tree at work that had huge Pecans. The only problem with that was we had to have a nice wet spring and summer for them to fill that large shell with meat. Most years it was just a large shell with a dried up nut in it. A tree next to it was a wild pecan with very small nuts but they taste great every year. I've grown a lot of trees from the wild Pecan which I will graft with a couple Shagbark Hickory cultivars.
@@BagANut My understanding is that you can only graft a Pecan on / with a smoothbark hickory which i am going to try this spring. I live in Zone 6 and planted some Northern Pecans 20 years ago. They are getting close to the size where i think nuts will be coming soon. They love the alluvial bottomland i planted them on , pH=7.2. I am going to try some grafts on wild bitternut hickorys which are common up here.
So I live in Australia, but my favourite nut to eat is a pecan! I have 3 acres I’m trying to revegetate, so along with lots of Aussie natives, I planted a small food forest (30m long, 3m wide, fenced with electric wire to keep out wild deer), using pecan trees as my canopy layer. Win/win I thought. I got Shoshonii x 2, and a Cheyenne for cross pollination. Felt very proud of myself and the research I did 😁 Then the other day, out of nowhere, I read about juglone! Is this going to be a problem for my food forest?!? 😮 All seems to be growing well so far 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hi- thanks for watching. What you are doing sounds awesome! I am sorry to say I really don't know the answer to your question. Maybe you can find someone with some knowledge in permaculture. They would be more an expert in this area!
What do I want out of pecan trees? I want to make pecan pies for my own consumption. Pretty simple. :) I'm starting to explore whether or not I can grow a couple of pecan trees up here in Washington State - zone 7a, 7b, 8 area.
Haha! YES. Pecan Pie is the BEST!!!!! My favorite recipe is on our website. Check it out and let me know how you like it! I make it every holiday! baganut.com/blogs/news/2018-best-pecan-pie-recipe
the Candy pecan variety would be best for recipes etc. It is a type 2 variety so you would need a type 1 variety to plant with it such as desirable, pawnee etc.
@@BagANut by the way, i'm in the South Fulton County Ga. were clearing land for nut trees. Do you know of a place where in could buy older pecan trees?
That’s awesome you are starting a pecan orchard. I don’t know where to get any older trees. I’d start by calling local nurseries or perhaps even local orchard owners and see if they can point you in the right direction
Great video. I was told by a pecan grower that a Lakota and An Amling will work well together in central Alabama Zone 8. Do you agree? What Other choices would you suggest? I'm not starting a business, just planting for future generations to enjoy.
Thank you, glad you like the video! It’s great that you are doing research specific to your area. Just by putting in the effort there you are ahead of the game. According to the pollination chart from the University of Georgia (linked under this video), the Amling and Lakota will work well together. As far as choice of tree, I am not familiar with the Lakota variety. I did plant Amlings in my personal orchard. The Amling is great for a home orchard as it is resistant to disease and scab. You are definitely on the right track by asking growers in your area. Just make sure the Lakota is a variety recommend for a home grower.
I have started cloning my very old pecan because growing up I seen graphed trees die and when I started investigating why I'm left with a question ... Does the roots of a difference tree draw the correct nutrition for the tree it's feeding...
Good question. There are many arguments as to which is the "best root stock" to use. This can get confusing, so ill never make a video on this. lol! I would check with a local grower in your area to see which seeds would be a good root stock for your clone. I have heard using Elliot seeds for root stock has been successful. But it can never be guaranteed. Check with a local nursery in your area to see what variety of seed they recommend. Let us know about your success!
Im actually not using other plants for root stock I'm cloning the trees forcing them to root them selves creating a self sufficient plant only depending on its self ... Thanks ...
@@Roywalton83 That's really neat! I never knew you could do that with pecan trees. If you want to share your success with us, post it on our facebook page! We would love to learn about it! facebook.com/baganut/
I would think if you can get enough water out there it might work! Always a good idea to see if anyone else in your area is having success. Let us know how it goes!
I always recommend trying to find someone successfully growing trees in your area and asking them what they did. I believe the next best thing is to ask the nurseries if they’ve had any customers in your area. Tytyga.com is a great place to start they have a great web site that list out the zones that different varieties grow well in.
Hickory and pecan are closely related and Hican is a bred mix of the two. You will not get a mix by grafting. You will get what ever the scion wood was that you used.
I’ve never noticed the deer on my property eating the leaves but I do have wire around each individual tree to prevent bucks from rubbing the trunks with their antlers. An aggressive rub from a buck can kill a young tree. But hey, that’s my farm. In areas where the deer population is very high you may have to use 4-5’ wire cages or fence the whole area to protect the trees. Check with local growers or even neighborhoods to see if over browsing by deer is a problem in your area. Hope that helps!
Great Question! Hope some of our viewers are in that area. A good place to start looking for information is with your state universities or state agriculture website.
That’s a loaded question, to which I believe are many answers. Different markets may prefer different things. For example, one person may prefer an easy-to-shell nut with a large percent of meat, while another may not care because they have an automated cracker and there main concern is the taste or color of the meat. Buyers can be finicky, sometimes a new variety scares them even if it may be better so you may get the most from growing a variety that is known in your area, even if it’s inferior. Another thing to remember is that even if a certain variety Brings a good market price you may not be able to grow it well without professional equipment and would be better off choosing a more forgiving variety. I hope that helps!
That's a great question. I have actually thought about trying that myself. I don't know the answer, but my wife's grandfather has told me about the tree he had in his backyard growing up. It had 2 different varieties growing on the same tree. He said they consistently got good nuts from it. Let me know if you try it out! would love to follow the results.
@@BagANut I have several trees that I grafted to one variety and later decided that I didn't like that one and put a different one up higher. I have Posey with Kanza on top and another Posey with Tracey put on top. Be sure you use a variety that has a different flowering order than you base tree has.
Humm...some thoughts. First planting an already grafted pecan tree that costs $30 will cost to much to do on anything but the smallest scale (hobby scale). If a serious quantity of pecans is desired and you are not independently wealthy then you will need to plant or transplant cheap wild-type seedlings and then graft with a known variety. If this is what is contemplated, then the type of quality scionwood you can OBTAIN is of great importance. After those varieties are known you need to know if you are a northern or southern pecan variety type. Once you have that narrowed down pick something that is scab resistant and has other desirable qualities. There is really no reason to NOT plant ONLY scab-resistant varieties anymore. And finally, it is necessary to plant varieties that are protoandrous and protogynous. Since I live in Indiana I have planted Hark (protoandrous), Kanza (protogynous), Oswego (protogynous), Yates 68 (protoandrous), and Greenriver (protogynous). There is rally not much else to this.
@@PlanktoniusRex Thanks for the question. According to the UGA chart, the desirable is a great pollinator for both of those. That looks like a great trio! Here is the chart in case you want to check on other types. pecans.uga.edu/content/dam/caes-subsite/pecans/docs/pollination-chart.pdf
We have Posey, Peroque, Kanza, Kiowa, natives, and our own bred tree, Tracey. Kiowa produces more nuts, but the birds attack them the most as well. Peroque, Posey, Kanza, Tracey and the natives are not bothered by birds, but do get squirrels taking half the crop. We are very happy with our Tracey tree because of the excellent flavor and resistance to scab. All of our trees are type 2 except for Peroque and 1 native.
They are not Pee Can they are Pua con it's a cherokee indian Word and we know that a Pee can is something you put under your hospital bed when you get through using it
@Sniper Logic haha! To be honest, that is how I've grown up saying it. But spend a few days at the Sunbelt Expo in Moultrie, GA, and you will be "corrected" more than once!
Hahah! oh, well you're probably right. In the south, there is an extra dictionary called Southern Slang (eg: words that sound like they could be words, and maybe should be words) lol!
I only plant native pecan trees. They are tough as nails and the nut, though small, has excellent flavor.
Thanks for sharing!
I have a question for you both. I have mostly varieties, elliot desirable and some indian names cant remember. What is considered "native"? If i just plant a seed from one of the varieties I understand it will be something else which is fine, does this make it a "native" pecan? I wouldn't mind planting just from seed if they are better. Also will a type 2 pecan seed make a type two tree? Or can it switch to a type 1? Thank you for answers.
@ShinerBock2007 Hello, as I understand it, Native Pecan trees are the variety 'native' to the central and southern portion of the United States. They are prolific here in Texas, and they are easy to spot because they are NOT grafted at the root. Willis Orchard company in Georgia sells them commercially. They are a small company and I suggest calling them before placing your order on the website. Native Pecans bear smaller nuts and are a pain to shell, but the flavor is so much better, and the trees live for hundreds of years.
I think your videos are practical and funny please make more
Thank you! I am glad you enjoy them!
Planning on planting about 30 cultivars this winter. I’m leaning toward Avalon, Lakota, and Cape Fear. Also have one Desirable that was grafted to a Stuart that makes both nuts.
Very nice! That’s interesting about the grafted tree. My grandfather talks about a tree on his farm growing up that was grafted and producers two kinds of nuts. So interesting! Good luck with your planting!
LOL you are a hoot. I needed a giggle this morning. You look like my nephew. That was so funny. Great video. Keep them coming.
Thanks for watching Dean! Glad we could make you smile:) Let us know if you have any questions.
Nice video again bro. I am just beginning on this journey and need input just like this. Thank you.
Thanks! Pecan trees are just beautiful and produce a great nut. Good luck, and let me know if there are other questions you have that we can answer with another possible video! Stay tuned, a few more are on the editor's table as we speak.
About 22 years ago, we bred Lucas x creek (x 100) and we now have our own cultivated variety "Tracey" which is a type 2 tree. We also grow native Missouri type and, Kanza, Kiowa, and Peroque, Posey.
Cultivating your own variety! That's pretty cool.
@@BagANut You can only do it so many times in a lifetime, when it takes 20 years to prove one out. (after the trees are grown and have a few fruiting seasons to evaluate the nuts, scab resistance, etc) Don't want to post on your channel, but I did a video on "Tracey" nut if you care to see what it looks like.
@@Qingeaton that’s dedication and hard work! We would love to check out your video. Thanks for sharing your info with us.
For my backyard orchard in southwest Louisiana I chose Elliott and Jackson. A type 1 and 2 that the chart says are compatible, and they are known to be partially self-fertile because there are spans where both the male and female flowers are open.
2022 South West Louisiana.
Looking for a certain pecan from my youth..
It is a small, hard to shell pecan but such a rich flavor.
Any idea what the name of this variety ???
@@SueBHoney-cq8co Sounds like it would be one of the really old varieties, or maybe wild pecans. Wild fruit usually tastes much better than fruit off a tree you got in a nursery, but it is smaller fruit with smaller yields.
If you want a small nut with great flavor I’d get Major or Kansa both have great flavor and scab resistant. Rock bridge trees sells both of these
There was a tree at work that had huge Pecans. The only problem with that was we had to have a nice wet spring and summer for them to fill that large shell with meat. Most years it was just a large shell with a dried up nut in it. A tree next to it was a wild pecan with very small nuts but they taste great every year. I've grown a lot of trees from the wild Pecan which I will graft with a couple Shagbark Hickory cultivars.
Have you successfully grafted a pecan with the hickory tree? That’s very interesting!
@@BagANut My understanding is that you can only graft a Pecan on / with a smoothbark hickory which i am going to try this spring. I live in Zone 6 and planted some Northern Pecans 20 years ago. They are getting close to the size where i think nuts will be coming soon. They love the alluvial bottomland i planted them on , pH=7.2. I am going to try some grafts on wild bitternut hickorys which are common up here.
So I live in Australia, but my favourite nut to eat is a pecan!
I have 3 acres I’m trying to revegetate, so along with lots of Aussie natives, I planted a small food forest (30m long, 3m wide, fenced with electric wire to keep out wild deer), using pecan trees as my canopy layer. Win/win I thought.
I got Shoshonii x 2, and a Cheyenne for cross pollination.
Felt very proud of myself and the research I did 😁
Then the other day, out of nowhere, I read about juglone!
Is this going to be a problem for my food forest?!? 😮
All seems to be growing well so far 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hi- thanks for watching. What you are doing sounds awesome! I am sorry to say I really don't know the answer to your question. Maybe you can find someone with some knowledge in permaculture. They would be more an expert in this area!
when i bought my trees the nursery advised me on what 2 would match also said they need to with in 60 ft of each other for best results
What do I want out of pecan trees? I want to make pecan pies for my own consumption. Pretty simple. :)
I'm starting to explore whether or not I can grow a couple of pecan trees up here in Washington State - zone 7a, 7b, 8 area.
Haha! YES. Pecan Pie is the BEST!!!!! My favorite recipe is on our website. Check it out and let me know how you like it! I make it every holiday!
baganut.com/blogs/news/2018-best-pecan-pie-recipe
the Candy pecan variety would be best for recipes etc. It is a type 2 variety so you would need a type 1 variety to plant with it such as desirable, pawnee etc.
Thank you...very helpful!
You're welcome!
keep it simple plant a DESIRABLE and a STUART with in 60 ft of each other for pol. depending size you plant 7 to 10 yrs to bear nuts good luck
You're baby stole the show!
She did!! 🥰
@@BagANut by the way, i'm in the South Fulton County Ga. were clearing land for nut trees. Do you know of a place where in could buy older pecan trees?
That’s awesome you are starting a pecan orchard. I don’t know where to get any older trees. I’d start by calling local nurseries or perhaps even local orchard owners and see if they can point you in the right direction
Great video. I was told by a pecan grower that a Lakota and An Amling will work well together in central Alabama Zone 8. Do you agree? What Other choices would you suggest? I'm not starting a business, just planting for future generations to enjoy.
Thank you, glad you like the video! It’s great that you are doing research specific to your area. Just by putting in the effort there you are ahead of the game. According to the pollination chart from the University of Georgia (linked under this video), the Amling and Lakota will work well together. As far as choice of tree, I am not familiar with the Lakota variety. I did plant Amlings in my personal orchard. The Amling is great for a home orchard as it is resistant to disease and scab. You are definitely on the right track by asking growers in your area. Just make sure the Lakota is a variety recommend for a home grower.
I wasn't expecting a birds and the bees talk. Rated pg-13
Warning: for mature audiences only 😬😅
The one that grows nuts nuts nuts!
I have started cloning my very old pecan because growing up I seen graphed trees die and when I started investigating why I'm left with a question ... Does the roots of a difference tree draw the correct nutrition for the tree it's feeding...
Good question. There are many arguments as to which is the "best root stock" to use. This can get confusing, so ill never make a video on this. lol!
I would check with a local grower in your area to see which seeds would be a good root stock for your clone. I have heard using Elliot seeds for root stock has been successful. But it can never be guaranteed. Check with a local nursery in your area to see what variety of seed they recommend. Let us know about your success!
Im actually not using other plants for root stock I'm cloning the trees forcing them to root them selves creating a self sufficient plant only depending on its self ... Thanks ...
@@Roywalton83 That's really neat! I never knew you could do that with pecan trees. If you want to share your success with us, post it on our facebook page! We would love to learn about it! facebook.com/baganut/
a diserable pecan will work with stuart pecan for one match both nice trees i have both 60 ft apart
Can we have made it to the end for BOTH reasons? ;)
🤣🤣 yes! This made us laugh, thanks for the comment!
I’m thinking about trying some in the desert?
I would think if you can get enough water out there it might work! Always a good idea to see if anyone else in your area is having success. Let us know how it goes!
I’m in Western NC in the mountains and it’s pretty cold here. Which species would you pick?
I always recommend trying to find someone successfully growing trees in your area and asking them what they did. I believe the next best thing is to ask the nurseries if they’ve had any customers in your area. Tytyga.com is a great place to start they have a great web site that list out the zones that different varieties grow well in.
i read some time ago that yoy can graft a pecan limb on to a hickory tree and it will work i think iwas called a hican
Haha! I've never heard of that! That is awesome!
at one time starks bros sold that hican i think
Hickory and pecan are closely related and Hican is a bred mix of the two. You will not get a mix by grafting. You will get what ever the scion wood was that you used.
Do you have any problems with deer eating the leaves off the trees? Are they fenced?
I’ve never noticed the deer on my property eating the leaves but I do have wire around each individual tree to prevent bucks from rubbing the trunks with their antlers. An aggressive rub from a buck can kill a young tree. But hey, that’s my farm. In areas where the deer population is very high you may have to use 4-5’ wire cages or fence the whole area to protect the trees. Check with local growers or even neighborhoods to see if over browsing by deer is a problem in your area. Hope that helps!
What are y’all growing in Roswell New Mexico? Any one?
Great Question! Hope some of our viewers are in that area. A good place to start looking for information is with your state universities or state agriculture website.
What kind of pecan tree is the best when it comes to top market price?
That’s a loaded question, to which I believe are many answers. Different markets may prefer different things. For example, one person may prefer an easy-to-shell nut with a large percent of meat, while another may not care because they have an automated cracker and there main concern is the taste or color of the meat. Buyers can be finicky, sometimes a new variety scares them even if it may be better so you may get the most from growing a variety that is known in your area, even if it’s inferior.
Another thing to remember is that even if a certain variety Brings a good market price you may not be able to grow it well without professional equipment and would be better off choosing a more forgiving variety.
I hope that helps!
Can you graft a type 1 and 2 species to the same tree for those of us with only one tree in our back yard
That's a great question. I have actually thought about trying that myself. I don't know the answer, but my wife's grandfather has told me about the tree he had in his backyard growing up. It had 2 different varieties growing on the same tree. He said they consistently got good nuts from it. Let me know if you try it out! would love to follow the results.
@@BagANut I have several trees that I grafted to one variety and later decided that I didn't like that one and put a different one up higher. I have Posey with Kanza on top and another Posey with Tracey put on top. Be sure you use a variety that has a different flowering order than you base tree has.
@@Qingeaton very interesting, thanks for sharing!
I would love to see some Shagbark Hickory orchards. The nuts need to be more available commercially.
Interesting! What are the nuts used for?
Humm...some thoughts. First planting an already grafted pecan tree that costs $30 will cost to much to do on anything but the smallest scale (hobby scale). If a serious quantity of pecans is desired and you are not independently wealthy then you will need to plant or transplant cheap wild-type seedlings and then graft with a known variety. If this is what is contemplated, then the type of quality scionwood you can OBTAIN is of great importance. After those varieties are known you need to know if you are a northern or southern pecan variety type. Once you have that narrowed down pick something that is scab resistant and has other desirable qualities. There is really no reason to NOT plant ONLY scab-resistant varieties anymore. And finally, it is necessary to plant varieties that are protoandrous and protogynous. Since I live in Indiana I have planted Hark (protoandrous), Kanza (protogynous), Oswego (protogynous), Yates 68 (protoandrous), and Greenriver (protogynous). There is rally not much else to this.
Great thoughts curioushooter! Thanks for the comment!
Can pine trees pollinate pecan trees?
Hey! Thanks for the question. Not that I’m aware of.
Hickory trees can because Pecans are in the Hickory family. There are some cultivars that are Pecan/Shagbark Hickory which are called Hicans.
Question for our viewers.....What kind of pecan trees do you recommend & why?
BagANut I have a Desirable T1 and plan on planting a Kanza and a Stuart this fall for a pollenation trio. Good mix?
@@PlanktoniusRex Thanks for the question. According to the UGA chart, the desirable is a great pollinator for both of those. That looks like a great trio! Here is the chart in case you want to check on other types.
pecans.uga.edu/content/dam/caes-subsite/pecans/docs/pollination-chart.pdf
We have Posey, Peroque, Kanza, Kiowa, natives, and our own bred tree, Tracey.
Kiowa produces more nuts, but the birds attack them the most as well. Peroque, Posey, Kanza, Tracey and the natives are not bothered by birds, but do get squirrels taking half the crop. We are very happy with our Tracey tree because of the excellent flavor and resistance to scab.
All of our trees are type 2 except for Peroque and 1 native.
They are not Pee Can they are Pua con it's a cherokee indian Word and we know that a Pee can is something you put under your hospital bed when you get through using it
haha! Potato, Patoto. The great debate. Although you are right about the origin of the word. It's hard to teach an old man new words.
@Sniper Logic haha! To be honest, that is how I've grown up saying it. But spend a few days at the Sunbelt Expo in Moultrie, GA, and you will be "corrected" more than once!
Exemble isn't a real word!!
Hahah! oh, well you're probably right. In the south, there is an extra dictionary called Southern Slang (eg: words that sound like they could be words, and maybe should be words) lol!
But it should be.