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Heritage vs. Gibson | Rob Chapman | In The Shop Episode #35 | Thomann
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2019
- Both brands coming from the original Gibson factory - Who's the real Gibson and how do they compare to oneanother? Rob Chapman In the shop together with Andy in Episode #35: Heritage vs.Gibson! Which one did you like best?
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0:34 Intro
3:35 Gibson Les Paul 59 FB | Playing
4:39 Heritage Guitar H-150 VCSB | Playing
6:07 Gibson Les Paul | Conclusion
7:34 Heritage | Conclusion
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I posted a bit more of a comprehensive comparison here. ua-cam.com/video/NtJtLtbK6GU/v-deo.html
Last year, I purchased a Heritage 157, new, for $2300. Rob was playing a Heritage 150. The H-157 is the equivalent of a Les Paul Custom. When I was shopping, I played a ton of Gibsons. The only ones that came close to the H-157 were $6000 and up. Earlier this year, I purchased a Heritage 535, which is their ES-335 type. Same experience. Best 335-style guitar I have ever played. It was $2400 new. Heritage makes some sweet guitars.
I’m a gal from Kalamazoo and I concur!
I went last weekend to Chicago Music Exchange ready to purchase a Gibson ES-335, USA, not custom shop. While demoing guitars I saw a used Heritage H-535 in natural for $1k less than the Gibsons. I’d heard of them but had never picked one up so decided to give it a go. I was blown away, not only was it cheaper, it was a better guitar. It felt better in my hands, resonated better, sounded better plugged in. Although I would have had no problem paying more for the Gibson if I had found it to be the better product, I ended up leaving with the Heritage. It’s that good.
Yup I say heritage and Collings outclasses Gibson USA without question. I still find many custom shop ES models to be “better” but you’re pretty much there with a heritage without spending 6k+. I will say that Collings is perhaps the closest thing that beats most Gibson custom shop models I’ve played.
Oh no, Mark Agnesi is going to go after them!
He can, and he will lose.
The Les Paul story is a fictional story. The history of the Les Paul Guitar is total Bullshit. I'm tired of hearing the Bullshit. Type in O.W. Appleton, this is the true story of the Les Paul. For those CUNTS at Gibson to go public and say play authentic, is total Bullshit, they them selves are FRAUDS.
Dion J. Pierre . Gibson already started. They will lose,,, again !
I have an H140 I purchased new in 1987, to this day it remains my favorite electric guitar that I own. When I purchased it, I had a friend with me who was a great guitar player. I wanted a Les Paul, he said, no buy this one, you won't regret it, and that's what I did. That night we sat together demoing my Heritage against his Les Paul. The next day he went back and traded his Gibson for an H150.
As always, I appreciate your reviews... however did you just compare a Gibson Custom Shop to a Heritage Standard? Heritage also has a a custom shop at a similar price point!
I know right? I don't get the thinking behind this video except the fact that one was double the price (and the added opinion of it sounding better).
...And of course they only test what they have in stock.... Pretty dumb really. Compare price point with price point unless there's a really good reason for doing something else.
This review is more about some guys enjoying their own company. A bit useless indeed.
The Heritage still blew it away LOL a standard creamed the CS.. Go Heritage!!!!! Woot Woot
The Heritage are also made on the same jigs and old machinery that Gibson made all their guitars on up until 1984. ........and they are made by at least 4 of Gibsons luthiers. Some of these guys started with Gibson in the 1960s. So, the strange thing is that all Gibson took when they sold them the factory in late 1984 was the name Gibson. Everyone there from Gibson just bought everything from Gibson and started the new company on April 1st of 1985. Now, one could deduce they are more Gibson than Gibson. (I am partial as I am from the area). To be fair, they do make custom guitars like the "Custom Shop" versions from gibson that are equally nice and expensive. You should buy one and then redo the comparison on equal terms.......... :)
Agreed. I have a "Custom" Heritage and it plays, and sounds, almost exactly like my early 70s Gibson LP Custom. Same neck feel, and I mean almost exactly. WAY closer than any newer Gibson Les Paul. I noticed a difference when Gibson left Michigan. No newer Gibson, other than Custom Shop, feels like an older Gibson. They just don't. I wish they would have compared a standard Gibson LP to the Heritage.
@@ThomasMcDrum being as I’m from Kalamazoo…Bingo!
My H150 takes Gibson Les Pauls for breakfast... a so does my H357.
My H170 smokes every other guitar I've ever played. Including Gibsons. Heritage power! 👊
@@jacobhartmann1050 🤘🤘🤘
@Marcellino Sananto for sure.... and once again for dinner....
Heritage all the way!
the only thing I do not like about heritage is the headstock.
If you're gonna buy a les paul its gotta be with the right headstock in my opinon, same with SGs.
It looks a bit weird on a les paul, but is the Heritage way to improve tuning stability.
@@felixapps5523 the only I don't like about SG is the body.
DINOSHAURIO :V I only like them in white but i hate how thin the body is doesn’t feel good on the leg after a while
But it is a better design to improve tuning stability
I have a 1976 Gibson LPC & 2001 Heritage H150cm. I do not even bother to get sucked into the Gibson & Heritage debate because 90% of the persons involved have NOT played a Heritage & usually are making their decision based on the headstock, however, ask them to choose over a recording & suddenly the issue is much more complicated, in my experience most people did not correctly distinguish between the guitars..just my real life experience! I love both!!
You have to play them both and then make a decision.
both guitars were made in the same Factory by the same staff the difference is the name on the headstock and the date it was made. Gibson moved to Tennessee around 1984 and the former employees of Gibson bought the factory a little bit after
@@jefffredenburg7231 Hello Jeff Fredenburg, that's a really interesting point I had not thought of it in those terms, thank u for visiting I appreciate it!
@@gussywellz9714 here's something you might like ua-cam.com/video/ZFKOsYcGazQ/v-deo.html
I’ve got a Heritage - it’s a killer guitar. Really is. Can’t fault it in any way - some people don’t like the headstock, that’s about it really
The peghead is ugly, but it's the one legally defensible part of an instrument, so no copying once the brand leaves town. The original gibson had a lot of professional design time spent on it, and willy nilly changes don't look as good. That's life. My real issue with a heritage vs. a gibson is that you have to change out fizzy duncans if you want the guitar to sound like a gibson. I've owned both. No great fan of either compared to other options available (high end vintage japanese for cheaper if you're on a budget, or collings if you're not - have those, too).
Fundementally it's not the most attractive design but I think when it's bound it's actually pretty nice, if not very distinctive.
Not a fair comparison. Now do an assembly line LP vs. a Custom made Heritage.
I was just about to type the same thing. As far as I am concerned, Heritages' standard line of guitars quality is were Gibson's custom shop begins. Better quality materials and craftsmanship from the Heritage side. That is why Heritage is growing and Gibson's future as it stand right now is very shaky. Gibson didn't move from Kalamazoo Michigan to hillbilly land to build a better guitar, they wanted to build it faster and cheaper while charging the same price and resting on the laurels of the craftsmanship and product produced in Michigan. Which is still the same level of craftsmanship and materials used at Heritage today,"
Heritage is 2500 magically so is the les paul standard sooo make your desicion yourself
@@dtbroad5862 Racist
@@dtbroad5862 Hillbilly land? I have you know that more "hillbillies" place value in hard and hands on work than 95% of city slickers do. You build your own house? Make your own furniture? Plenty of those "hillbillies" even in this day and age STILL regularly do that. Not all but some. However ALL "hillbillies" DO have that mindset drilled into their brain by heritage.
They/we like things right and don't want to dick around doing it. You see a hillbilly arguing at work it's because something isn't right and he's trying to make the floor supervisor pull his head out of his ass to see what is wrong and do something about it.
If management won't fix shit we are perfectly happy standing there with arms crossed while the factory burns around us. Then we'll stand there in the ashes looking said floor supervisor in the eye saying "I told you this would happen, you damn stupid MFer". We'll do excellent work if excellent work is the focus (no corner cutting).
However we absolutely won't pander to or play polite "company politics" with dickheads that don't listen when things start to go wrong. That's the way "hillbillies" are. We carry pride in what we do and don't like jackasses mucking shit up just because they "think" their smarter because they have a slip of paper "saying" they are smart.
Of course he's not going to Dis Gibson LOL #1 They pay a brutal amount of money (Extortion)to carry Gibson, Thats like a baker tell you the competition is better, The test should have been blind no hands on prior to playing, But that being said most who played a Heritage and just love guitar in my experience and not worshipping the name on the guitar have said the Heritage was the real deal. The hardcore Gibby guys usually default to The headstock is ugly on the Heritage LOL ok well the mustache looks dated and btw fix that headstock angle. Ill go with Gibson made in Kalamazoo and the now Heritage. The same guys made the Holy grail Les Pauls that go 200.000 plus so .. saying the Heritage is lacking somehow is saying the Vintage Gibson's are lacking. Nothing has changed that factory except QC, headstock angle and pitch and employee owned now.
If you want a Heritage that was actually made by or with involvement from the people who made the original bursts you need to buy a pre-2016 guitar. They were bought out by an investment group in 2016 and all the original guys retired and some of the remaining long time employees were fired shortly afterwords. Most recently they started using cnc machines, so a Heritage H-150 now is basically a Gibson Les Paul Standard with a weird headstock and cutaway for more than you would pay for an actual Les Paul Standard. If you want a Heritage, buy used.
Mason Hutchinson Great reply and I'll take you at your word. Good to know about the cutoff. I'll remember that. Heritage was founded almost 35 years ago and it's very improbable any of the original people remain. And the good thing about buying Heritage used is that the price is usually very, very attractive, like pre-owned G&L (edited to correct my math).
The new heritage guitars are excellent. In Australia the Heritage H-150 is still much cheaper than a standard les paul and a custom shop les paul is nore than three times the price of the Heritage. It's a no brainer over here.
Good to know. I have an old Heritage, and its really great. Sad that capital always take over....
ua-cam.com/video/MNt0qqgHodI/v-deo.html
Can buy a new Gibson, too.
I have a Heritage Millennium Standard Ultra and I bought a Les Paul in the same year. They're both great guitars but the thing I notice is that the Heritage keeps getting better and better with age. The Heritage is relicing faster than the LP but it's also playing better. The Les Paul is very well made and very stable but it also doesn't develop as fast as the Heritage.
If anyone is thinking of buying a Heritage, I recommend trying a bunch out. Hand-made means each guitar has it's own character and I tried a lot before I bought mine.
Truth is: 99.999 % of the players don‘t need an overpriced Gibson. What they need is more practise on a decent guitar like the Epi
But they also all want an expensive guitar.
Just buy a made in Japan Tokai
@@lucbos7516 buy a dean ... 😂 Gibson will enjoy being mad because they are no longer about guitar but money only..
Heritage better then Gibson....
But after you play a Gibson it's hard to go back to a Epiphone tho 😂
He's obviously getting a kickback from Gibson,
because in no way did it sound half as good as Gibson🤣
I must be deaf because I thought The Heritage sounded
fantastic for a half priced guitar!
I have both Heritage and Gibson guitars. They're totally on par with each other. Can't fault either.
Well, I can hear much difference on the cell phone. I'm going to have to find it on the pc and listen on the headphones.
@Soren Richenberg is true
What do u mean half priced? You mean if I buy a used one from a desperate junky?
@@blastofo I bought a 99 black H-157 for $2,000. I have a 89 black custom Lespaul that I paid $4,000 for. They are almost identical except for the headstock shape and horn. Love them both.
I'm glad Heritage is finally getting some recognition though.
what you mainly hear is the difference in the pickups. i'd like to see the same test with both guitars having identical pickups. the pickups in the custom shop are hotter than the heritage SD pickups.
Hey rob I wish you could do a comparison between that same Gibson custom shop , and the new heritage custom shop core guitar .
It was kind of an unfair judgement. A gibson custom? I mean come on, what is going to beat that. Should put the heritage up against a gibson lp standard at best.
I thought the heritage sounded better. It would probably sound really similar with the same pickups and wiring. As far as I know all heritage guitars are completely hand made so they are equal to custom shop. Pre 2016 they did everything by hand. Not sure what the new owner did though. He didn't seem like he wanted to change that.
A Heritage Custom Core H-150 would beat it.
In 2015 I decided to buy my ultimate solid body guitar. I planned for this both financially and research wise. I ended up comparing the Gibson Custom shop to a special order Heritage (pretty much the same specs as the Gibson Custom shop) for what I wanted the Heritage one hands down. I will never part with it. Those headstock haters can have that open book, with the “Big name” on it, I chose the one that sounded better (subjective, I know) and played much better. At about have the price, it’s Heritage for me all the way.
I am the same situation now. Comparing Gibson custom shop and heritage special order and I feel heritage might be better. so which part did you customise it?
Comparing sound on two guitars with different pickups is like comparing the colors red vs blue. They are different pickups! I have, and still own both brands. I no longer own the Gibson Les Paul, just a 335. I personality love the Heritage, and I have yet lose any sleep over the headstock, I know amazing huh. My Heritage has the S.D. Whole Lotta Humbuckers in it, and I like that sound. Others prefer the 59’s. As for playability, I would put it up against any similar design of any brand. However, I am glad to see that with a new CEO Gibson has really stepped up their game and is now making quality guitars again.
My 535 Heritage is the reason for selling my 335's, 355. It has the tone and the craftsmanship I been looking for a long time.
It’s hard not to be biased, but a Custom Shop guitar versus a production model?
Thomann has 40 times as many Gibson Les Paul models to Heritage and they sell Chapman guitars too.
This is a numbers game. Endorse the high dollar guitars as “superior”, Help make those sales grow.
Rob is paid by Thomann to review gear, however the best reviews are done by those who aren’t sponsored/endorsed/compensated to review guitars.
Chapters is a cool dude, but he’s got to make a living too.
This was an infomercial, not a review.
I think Chapman is pretty honest. He could be pushing his own brand. You never see Paul Reed Smith saying how great a Fender or a Gibson is.
Let's be fair - the custom shop for gibson isn't really a custom shop. It's a separate production area, and it's still not as good as the better makers like collings. But collings can't legally put an open book peghead on their guitars, so I guess people will always buy gibsons.
Just call a spade a spade, you dont like the headstock and it played,sounded, felt half as good because you were half as inspired while playing it. There is no magical mahogany and PAF pickup winds arent so minute that there's going to be half the tone out of one vs the other. You preferred the icon. If there were images of Jimmy Page leaned over a heritage headstock shaped LP and you associated that shape with the iconic imagery, the feel would have been totally different. A blindfold test is in order, mate.
There's a pretty big difference between different densities of mahogany. It's not magic, it's just the result (mostly sustain difference) of different samples of wood. Gibson is using heavy mahogany in a lot of guitars, but saving the lighter for their overpriced "custom production" guitars. The solid 8 1/2 pound les paul is in style now, and the 10 1/2 pound les paul isn't.
Different pickups between the two, also. Duncan can copy gibson's pickups, I'm sure, but their production models don't really do it.
Other than that, not much difference, but those two things make quite a big difference if you''re comparing les pauls. Not so much if you're comparing les pauls to strats.
@@daw162 the Duncan 59s in the Heritage H-150 guitars sound great. I would expect a more expensive guitar to sound better, considering the Gibson is three times the price. Comparisons should have been made with standard models. Rob is just a tool and his comments and playing are poor. I have a les paul standard and a H-150 and the H-150 is the nicer sounding guitar through my setup.
Gibson ...there's nothing wrong with Heritage...but don't like the headstock
Headstocks are often a division point with guitarists. Certainly is with me, although I wish it weren't.
At least they stay on the guitar
I bet the Heritage will stay in tune better because of the string pull.
@@roscoepcoltrane23 they do stay in tune better with no famous tuning issues with the G string.
@@kikomarty4337 I got rid of 2 custom shop Les Pauls because of that same issue. Both of them had it!! I just ordered a dirty lemon heritage h-150. Hope it compares well to the Gibsons I sold.
The Money Snob Came out .... I can't say how it Played But The Heritage did Not sound HALF AS GOOD in the Room it might not have sounded AS GOOD but Half as good is a Stupid Statement ROB . seems to me anytime someone is told This Guitar is $5000 Their Brain goes into YEA IT'S BETTER ............not true
You're arguing against a subjective observation. Weird.
I bought a mint 89 LP Standard last year. It’s as good as any custom shop. So just find a good late 80’s to early 90’s LP.
Made by the original Gibson staff as RC says? I have my doubts. In early 2018 the owners of Heritage fired most of their skilled workers so that they could "move the company successfully into the future". For that reason I wouldn't even consider one.
I kept reading that on hardcore Les Paul forums where they all discuss single cuts, that nowadays Heritage is basically where Gibson was at in the 2010s but minus the resale value.
Even if technically The Heritage's headstock is best "in line" for tuning stability (D and G string), I still prefer Gibson's headstock.
Why even if we know something is better we're still attracted by the other one which is annoying but beautifulerer?
Oilid I totally get it. It applies to other things too. For example, Rob is far more talented and successful than me but for some reason, people are attracted to me. Funny old world...
//Andy
check the Hot Crazy matrix it works for guitars too ie. stock ibanez well call it a 5 will get the job done, but a full hand built custom will be your unicorn
....unless its a dude!
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Because size matters! ... Looooool
Sorry not sorry. 😁
Oilid never apologise. NEVER!
//Andy
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The Heriage guitar sounds like a good late 50's Gibson.. it sounds like the real deal. The Gibson has a modernised sound. Does NOT sound like the classic 58 at all. But its faded and all and that is cool.
The best Les Paul I ever played was a 78 custom and Heritage guitars, used to live close to a Heritage dealer. If it ain’t made in Kalamazoo it ain’t a real Gibson.
That looks like a 60's LP VOS....Just a thought...Those reflector knobs are common on the 60's...Plus the LP link brings me to Not that guitar...
The Gibson sounded much better to me. I have an ‘89 Les Paul Standard and love it.
I’m sure the Heritage are really well made though. And if you want a little different take on the LP sound
Not a very good demo IMHO. Clean is where the tone is transparent. Having been a Gibson guy since 1969, and also owning two The Heritage H535s in the early 2000s, and a 1959 Gibson ES-335 in 1969, I can tell you that The Heritage H535 felt more like an old school Gibson to me personally. Great guitars, but usually need a setup when you find them used, to fully appreciate them. The prices have gone up too as the reputation of their mojo caught on.
People are knocking the Heritage headstock's aesthetics but from a design standpoint it's objectively better. There's less string pull across the nut so Heritage guitars should do a better job sidestepping Gibson's notorious tuning issues
People with horrible tunning issues are people that dont know how to set up a guitar. My Gibson stays in tune damn well. You know why? Cause i adjust it every now and then.
adjust what? why do you have to adjust it every now and then? carmex mixed with graphite powder then added in the D and G string nut slots is magic.
@@hoptard just go play harmonica or something cause if you gotta ask why, you lack common sense
Was jonesing for an ES-335 - discovered the H-535... Never looked back!
the headstock on the heritage would take getting used to but I really don't care about that.That bridge pickup on it just sounds amazing compared to the Gibson. The Gibson is not worth double the price of the heritage. IMPO
The head stock design is way better than the Gibson, less string drag on the nut stays in tune better.
From Leo: Gibson has been a corporately owned name at least since 1969 with the Norville people. It is not like Orville Gibson's grandsons are whittling them out of wood grown on the family farm. A good guitar is a good guitar no matter what the name is on the head stock. Likewise for a bad guitar.
Last Time I bought a Guitar My Wife Ended Up Getting A New Mustang Alway A Price To Pay, But Definitely Got What I Wanted 👍👍🎶🎶🎸
The Gibson sounded amazing, the Heritage sounded meh! Eastman for me at a price one can reasonably excuse.
One day Ford will make a car that looks and performs exactly like the Chevrolet Corvette. On that day, I will understand the guitar industry.
Rob should've tried an Eastman SB59, he might've been shocked at how good it is. The Heritage headstock shape reminded me a little of Aria.
9:35 "Made in the original factory, by the original staff." No. The original staff is long gone. The company was founded almost 35 years ago (edited to correct my math).
there are still many original staff members working at Heritage, namely, Rendall Wall, who is a good friend of mine
Fact: the Heritage headstock is an original Gibson headstock called snakehead. They used it roughly 1920-1940 for some instruments. If Gibson would still have the design licence, they would use it too as a "reissue" in some way. As for the weight, a normal Les Paul was and is around 4.5 Kg, everything less is designed to reduce weight for a more convenient customer of the 2000's. You can google more on the subject.
There you have it guys, if he likes a guitar then it is better. If he likes the lighter guitar, then lighter is better. If he likes the way guitar plays blues and rock, then it is better.
I did not expect such a solid black or white decision .......but good to know that all the extra money gets you something . Hell , I can even hear the superior tone of the Gibson thru my smartphone .
Rob should never have picked up that Gibson. Troublemaker!
//Andy
I could tell Rob F’n loved that Gibson while he was playing it.
Luke Wells ohh yes he did. He’s still asking about it. Haha! It’s a ridiculous instrument for sure.
//cheers, Kris
Both sound great I liked the Gibsons more aggressive tone over the heratiges' smoother tone
Interesting that most comments are about the cosmetics of the guitars rather than the tone/pick ups etc. That says a lot about the guitar buying public these days and how the manufacturers are exploiting the cosmetic appeal rather than the tone.
I would like to hear what Rob would have thought comparing the Gibson custom shop to a off-the-shelf Gibson Les Paul Standard. And then do a comparison between the standard and the Heritage. And then one more comparison between a Gibson custom shop and the Heritage custom shop using the same specs.
Just to reiterate what others have said, I don't think about the head stock when playing my Heritage H-535. All I think about is the music and being amazed that I own and get to play such an amazing instrument.
I was under the impression that very few, if any, luthiers that stayed and started Heritage are still working.
Mister Tee your right they sold it.
Mister Tee I'd agree, because apart from what otheres have said about Heritage being sold, the company has been around for almost 45 years. Even a kid who started there at age 20 would be Social Security age by now. Not likely!
Watching on my phone so obviously audio quality is suspect, but I preferred the sound of the Heritage. I'm guessing that I'm in the minority but it seamed to have a sharper bite, of course, tone preference is totally subjective. The Gibson headstock is classic, yet the Heritage design appears to offer improved tuning stability. I say drop the €8k and get 'em both, they're a sound investment. (Pun intended)
I have a 2016 Heritage H150 Custom, made to be a sort of Les Paul Deluxe. Lollar mini hums, and the deluxe style finish on the back. But a beautiful AAAA burst style top. Heavy as hell though. 10+ lbs.
I wonder if it’s simple just as swapping the pick ups.
Andy and Rob make a lovely, in a strange way, couple. I still think that, if you're paying that much for a guitar, the tiger stripes on the maple cap should be mirror images.
I have two Heritage guitars (H-140 and a H-157 which I just acquired), I think they are really great guitars. That Gibson does sound absolutely incredible though, it has the same kind of sizzle and mojo like Billy Gibbons’ Pearly Gates. You don’t hear a Les Paul that sounds THAT good very often, so no surprise Rob says it’s the best one he’s played.
But not all guitars are made equal, I’m sure there are some Heritages that sound just as good or better. Probably that H-150 would sound better than some lesser R9s.
Heritage recently changed their manufacturing process and maybe they aren’t the same as before when they were largely handmade as well.
Change the pickups in the heritage and they sound the same, as does any decent gibson. They're just average or lower wind pickups with no potting. If you wax pot a higher output pickup, or even one of the same output, it's always going to lose some sizzle in favor of it being quieter live.
I've browsed many forums of hardcore gear heads that say they've sold Heritage over for regular Gibsons who said the original Heritage crew mostly left due to qc going down as the company grows. So now they're Gibson QC/Gibson prices/but without the Gibson resale value.
Are you absolutely sure that was a 59 (Historic) Les Paul, because the reflector knobs would suggest that it was a 1960 version?
Not doubting you (ok, maybe a little!!)...
Wow, my ears no lie! That Gibson was the Bomb! Pure heaven. 100%
Rob: Plays a les paul
Rob: This is the best les paul I've ever played
I played a Ronnie Montrose Les Paul a few years ago. It was so nice. It sounded great, looked great, felt great. Woody, flutey, snappy. Way lighter than my own Standard. Didn’t particularly like the neck because the finish was gone. Authentic but not for me (and the €5,400 price tag).
When you see the captain do you get any feelings of guilt like your cheating on him haha
Was thinking the same thing. :D
hahaha x3
Heritage is no more authentic than gibson .when heritage says guitars made the old way is just marketing BS. Back in 2018 Heritage was bought by some investment firm and immediately made big changes to how the guitars were made. They bought all the same CNC machines Gibson uses . They wanted to increase production and correct what they saw as errors that occur when guitars are 100 percent hand built. They replaced all of the supervisors which people who knew nothing about building guitars. Their only concern is with increasing production so they can compete with the bigger companies like Gibson. They fired a bunch of long time heritage Luthiers who did not want to lose the hand built aspect of heritage which they felt set them apart from Gibson. They were fired for being resistant to change. The owners felt that to compete with Gibson they had to start building guitars like Gibson so for the last few years they have been building guitars that are no more and built than Gibson. This is not to say that they do not build great guitars but if your buying a heritage because you think it's made the old way you are being taken by the same type of marketing BS that Gibson employs on the regular. Both heritage and Gibson make great guitars in many cases and in other cases not so much. Also in 2018 or 19 the new management team at heritage ordered 300 hand built guitars to be destroyed so they could replace them with what they consider superior CNC built guitars. Which is BS because many CNC built guitars have QC issues but again the guys running heritage don't know anything about guitar building they belive CNCus better than hand built because on paper and on theory CNC machines should be superior and more accurate. Heritage lost alot of employees over these changes. Many were fired and many quit and most were long Serving heritage employees.. like Gibson heritage is now using their legacy as a crutch to sell more guitars. Heritage has a long standing reputation for doing it the old way and they are counting on people who will just belive this without digging a little deeper to find out that they abandoned the old way a couple of years back and I see alot normally knowledgeable people who still belive Heritage is doing it like Gibson did in the 50s
The Gibson Les Paul custom sounded way better! > I wasn’t impressed with the tone of the other guitar? (Sorry🎸
The difference for me. I haven't played a modern Gibson with a good sounding neck pickup. And I don't know how many people with their R7-R0s yank the pickups when they buy them for $6500, which is nuts to me.
If anyone's wondering, Heritage H-150s are now the exact same price as Gibson Standards (50s + 60s)
Why didn't you compared the Gibson CS to a Heritage CS?
Now, throw in the Eastman 59 in the mix.
Heritage are about as "new" as PRS. Unfortunately lots of controversy in recent years over new management, firing long time luthiers, etc. I will say my early 2000s H150 with a few mods can rival any LP I've owned. The core build has gobs of soul, but they do need some TLC
Really had the heritage dialed in, maybe it’s because I really like the first two Jeff beck group albums. Just sounded sweeter to me. Didn’t hear anything particularly outstanding in the Gibson
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Heritage = but not > Gibson....at least that one
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//Andy
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Loved the sound of my LP Studio (2013) and also hated the fact that it wouldnt stay in tune. Tried everything. Set up, nut lubrication etc. want to try a Heritage to see if I can work with it.
a buggered set of tuners can be to blame. You could try a new set, or even a locking set.
If there is excess play in the string shafts with no strings on it's very suspect. Best of luck.
The last gas uh oh result is that maybe the wood is a little weak at the headstock and it's flexing with string tension. you might could try a top wrap on it as well.
Often times the old bendy headstock 3-4 minute up down up down tuning to get everything at the same pitch is just a bad guitar trait that can't really be solved though.
On this two it's hard to make a decision on which one sounds better. I liked both of them. I also owned both of them and now i'm left with the Heritage. The Gibson was a Custom black beauty from 77 and i must say i never had a guitar that played that comfordable. The tone was fine but the original PAFs were microohonic. The guitar was heavier than the Heritage and it had plenty of upper mids but lacked lower mids and bass while the Heritge had a fat sound in the lower mids. The Heritage is more resonant when played unplugged compared to my former Les Paul. I did not like the pickups on the Heritage which were Schaller at the time. I changed them for SDs..Also the Schaller rollerbridge was changed for the Gibson tune-o-matic and capacitors where changed and that improved the sound quite drasticly on the Heritage. I would not want to miss it.
I remember hearing that practically all the former Gibson employees at Heritage have left after a dispute with management. I believe the dispute was over quality control issues.
I worked on a Heritage guitar some years ago. It had been purchased by a very experienced session musician who selected it as the best, from quite a number of guitars that the main importer had at that time. It was a beautiful, well made guitar, that sounded fabulous. BUT the fretwork was appalling. With the strings removed you could see multiple file grooves all across the fret board at every fret where the frets had been 'dressed'.
I think a lot of the employees that left were folks who had been there a very long time. Until then, I had considered buying a Heritage. Now? No thanks.
The gist of it from one of the articles was that the older workers didn't mind some cosmetic variation and the newer management applied a rigid "quality checklist" type policy. They butted heads, and I'd imagine getting rid of the higher cost older employees was something they'd love to have an excuse for anyway. My opinion - when someone buys a brand, they have debt and they love to use the brand value to hold on to customers while cutting costs at the same time. Any well-run ethical business that has steady revenue and high expenses is an easy target for chop shop type management.
I get the sense also from the original article (just my opinion like all of this) that the site might have more value than the business (thus the production was moved out of the site).
After taking some criticism about the changes, it appears that the heritage youtube channel has chosen to just get rid of the videos and show production in the old factory. No surprise - not particularly honest in my book, but no surprise.
Sometimes I have to remember that many players (including bassists) have a lot of sentimental feelings around vintage sounds and that colors what they call "good." Cause half as good? In no universe. If you just listen to the video it sounds like someone was muffling the amp with a pillow until the Heritage is played. I've heard plenty of Heritages next to Gibsons in person too and the same difference is obvious. Gibsons often sound like someone hasn't changed the strings.
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I mean is that a vintage or a reissue? True test. Why not swap the pickups?
To my ears (and listening in a noisy airport with earbuds), they sound pretty similar. But the Heritage seems a little bit warmer. But they both sound good, I think that the decision ends up being made with your hands.
Love Rob at Thomann. More vids please.
The Gospel of Mark on the way, mate!
//Andy
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I have a heritage but only weighs 9lbs my favorite les paul type guitar sounds and plays awesome.. the gibson pickups are far better than the Duncan's for sure .... compared to a regular standard it's better.. custom shop is whole different animal
Hey, two of my favorite youtubers (and more), Chappers and the Guitar Geek!
I have to admit, I liked the sound of the LP better than the Heritage. Interesting, because I saw a UA-cam
"shoot-out" video a few days ago where I thought a Heritage was heads and shoulders better than a LP.
A Heritage Custom Shop vs Gibson Custom Shop would be a more fair comparison.
This is not a fair comparison. Of course a custom shop guitar is going to be better then a standard production guitar. You should have compared a Heritage custom to a Gibson custom or a Gibson standard to a Heritage standard. So we can see which is better at the same price.
I owned an H140 for years. Hands down, it was the best Les Paul I have ever played. No contest. Wish I still had it.
My only gripe with it was the Schaller stoptail didn't allow you to top wind the strings for less tension.
I’m a Gibson fan too, but That is hardly a fair comparison. Pick out a Gibson of equal price and and do a blind fold test.
It's weird that the Gibson Custom Shop spends all that time and effort to recreate a Heritage Guitar.
How old is the original staff ?
If you were to order the Heritage with an ebony fretboard - you'd get ebony. Can you tell me that's the same for Gibson ? A friend of mine who spent a fortune on a Gibson LP custom super was dismayed to find out his "ebony" fretboard was actually Richlite - a composite material far cheaper than wood. Heritage offer far better value for money and a first class build.
sorry, but richlite is "as good if not better", uhhhh Martin guitars have richlite for a reason. would still take an older Heritage over a LP
Did Thomann start stocking the Heritage guitars? Holly shit at last.
I'm a proud owner od a H535 and a H150.
They both totally blow away any new gibson (even tested it out with my friends 10k custop shop '59), and they are cheaper than the gibbsons.
The heritage didn't JUST buy the factory, it's the old gibson factory with it's old crew. When Gibson started to make guitars with robots and on a line, they just said - fuck it, we'll continue making them the old fashioned way.
So, it's not a new company, it's the old gibson factory.
P.S. Gary Moore played a few in his time, mostly in the studio, and a few times live. Just one of the big names that played them.
I actually liked the sound of the Heritage.....very similar though.....
The Gibson sounds better here to my ears, but what do you expect given that the two models are not super comparable. Gibson Custom shop has been making most of the best modern LPs ever in recent years, and their quality has been rising as the regular factory line lagged. If you want to try a real killer look for a Bartlett Retrospec or something effectively remade by Historic Makeovers.
I wonder what a custom shop toggle switch cap would cost.
they ship with it in the case.
Says the Gibson is a 59 reissue so why does it have 60s volume knobs🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
New? I thought it started in 1984. I mean, technically it goes farther back (just not with the name "The Heritage")
Pickups make a huge difference (obviously). So do these Les Pauls have the same ones? I feel that in comparing axes that's worth noting. Moreover, I am a bit disappointed only one Heritage was played and featured. I imagine one could find something closer to the Gibson, especially since Heritage also does custom orders and could use the same electronics.
My lefty h-150 looks just like that one..
Would have liked to see you compare it to a les paul standard. A custom shop isn't really the right comparison.
Should have compared the heritage custom to the Gibson custom shop. Would have been a better more fair comparison. The heritage custom shop is still a lot less than the Gibson custom shop and imo is a better guitar with better quality control.