@@fgergver If you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised to life on the third day, you will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
After you beat the Berserker king - - Kratos takes the Berserker sword hilt or something and it’s basically a metaphor for Kratos and the audience / player - the writing is honestly some of the best I’ve ever seen film, television or gaming wise
@@jobdekruijf2637I think he means the character development for Kratos, as now he shows how even evils have a capacity of good, and is a bit more kinda hopeful. When getting the hilt, he acknowledges that the hilt was used for evil-doings and such, but says to Mimir that the stories of the hilt is still being written; it can be used for good. This basically is a resemblance of the Blades of Chaos, and how Kratos’ sins were engrained into those blades. It was legit a burden and curse to him. But now he uses it for good, pushing past the burdens and the will to die.
For anyone who did this side quest with Freya and not Atreus, he is able to tell what the creature feels and actually confirms Freya's statement. I don't remember what he said but it was like "He says he's glad he can feel the wind on his face again". So instead of Freyas's word of encouragement that the creature was happy Atreus assures Mimir the creature is somewhat happier than before now
Well Freya is a nature goddess, like Freyr(why the elves love him, btw), she has somewhat of an understanding of all things nature. It’s why, in the original mythology, she’s able to ask everything, not to harm Baldur. She didn’t ask mistletoe because she didn’t think it would be harmful. Atreus may be able to speak to and listen to animals, as if they were people, but Freya is sorta like a heavily experienced zookeeper. She can’t speak to animals, but she can understand them on some level. It’s why her home was a giant turtle, it wasn’t her pet, he was her friend.
I just finished the story mode and didn’t really do anything side missions except the oil rigs. I’m running around and having Freya narrate everything we’re doing. Soon I will replay and try to do the side missions before I finish the story so I can have atreus narrate
This is so sad. The creature being accustomed to his chains, the fact Mimirs voice has a sense of sadness/despair when he realizes breaking its chains was not enough.
It shows that mimir even when he did something as cruel as enslaving an animal, which is pretty much top in being a mf, shows his soul, regret, pain and emphaty. While what he did was terrible it shows he isnt a monster like odin is
@@NoirRaven it doesnt mean literally, is a mental thing, it doesnt know another life than staying there, so that is what it does, it doesnt mean that those chains weren't painful or whatever
@@NoirRaven Yeah, it’s a mental issue of slavery, and maybe all the matters in this world. Trying thinking about a folk who is under pressure 4 years to graduate a diploma. He wanna break free from that hell and try his best to. But after he graduate, he feels somehow addicted to the assignments, the college pressure and all of stuff like that. He wanna go back to that hell, because freedom is too strange, too vast, or even too empty for him to explore. He finds another pressure to be busy and suffer, even if some work can’t make him earn money. Or as well as the communist citizens. They try to escape from a dictatorship, fight for a socialist future where people are equal. But after the success, they happily accept to live under other aother government. They are too accustomed to the “being ruled” mentality, they can’t live without being rule, no matter if there are many exits for them and they know all. It’s the meaning of Kratos’s wisdom. Slaves can be free physically, but remained imprisoned mentally. It will take time to break their mind free. Soon or after!
to be fair, in pretty much every game a huge component of his challenges comes in the form or riddles ( sure, it's the player who solves them, but it's technically supposed to be him).
ya when Kratos was kind of mad with Mimir for never talking about this and then Mimir honestly asks: Do you not expect an old man to have nothing to be ashamed for? Kratos reflects on his anger and realizes the responsible way to reacf isn't to continously cast judgment down on Mimir (which is what he wants so he can get some kind of catharsis) But to instead empathize with him
@@RealJewels You are again spreading the wrong message. Fear and guilt-tripping is for those who read the Bible yet do not understand it. For even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose, but he does not understand its true meaning.
Near the end of this video you can actually hear the same music they used from the last game when Mimir asked Kratos to cut off his head, it’s actually a really nice symmetry, because I think we can all agree that in both cases, what Mimir and this creature went through is not living.
Even better is after the post game the another character gives Mimir closure on exactly that likening their shared experiences to a truer sense of freedom . Mimir isn’t mad at Kratos for not being able to save his body. And the whale is happy that the chains/shackles were cut
I love how disgusted Kratos sound when he said "oil... for lanterns", like, Kratos maybe expected some kind og divine reason or maybe the creature were once a malicious being, but nope, it's just, for lanterns, and Kratos probably thoughts for a split second to just toss Mimir to the water at that moment out of disgust
This is actually heartbreakingly true. This is kind of what they used to do to circus elephants. They'd clamp a metal chain to one of their legs and attach it to a peg in the ground as a baby. The baby elephant wouldn't be able to pull out the peg and the chain would cut into it's leg. Eventually, as the elephant grows into an adult, even though it could easily rip out the peg, they don't because they still fear the pain.
@@Happycamper808 reminded me of that one character in Shawshank Redemption. He was an old guy who worked as the prison librarian. When the time came of his bail out, he felt normal life was empty and contemplated doing a petty crime to get imprisoned again. Needless to say he hung himself because of how empty he felt.
It's interesting to me that this is an interaction between three former prisoners, trying to free an innocent beast. Kratos, slave of ares and then olympus, Freya, imprisoned for her wish to be free, and Mimir, the tortured wise man. It's also interesting that they all push for Atreus to make his own choices and not be a slave to fate. He really is the freest soul in the games.
These three very broken people not only feel empathy for the creature because they have all been captives, but they are all trying to come to terms with the regrets they carry from their very long lifespans -- Kratos for the deaths of his family and all the bloodshed that followed, Freya for what she did to Baldr, and Mimir for what he did to Freya and now the Lyngbakr. Even as Kratos and Freya are horrified to discover what Mimir did to the Lyngbakr, they both know they can't judge too hard without turning that back on themselves. Mimir mentions his own self-loathing -- which both Kratos and Freya have in abundance -- and the regrets they all share.
2:45 - 2:55 Kratos had already figured out what Mimir couldn't accept. For some imprisoned a cage can become a safe haven. A safe routine. Freedom is the unknown and terrifying. Happens to a lot of prisoners in real life who go away for too long.
It doesn't help that many modern prison systems use prisoners as cheap labor, conditioning them to be obedient and docile, which in no way prepares them for the real world once they get out.
Yeah fairly bad timing especially considering what the riddle is about and the fact that Mimir in that scene was supposed to be feeling a lot of regret
I absolutely love how truly sad this is. All that effort for just a slight comfort. Not at all satisfying but I'm content with the results. A lot of other games miss this, thinking that an implied grand continuation of someone's story or a tangible reward should be what awaits you after a tedious quest. No. Either of those are pointless. This one, however. It shows the futility of your actions. Despite all three members' shared desire to help, all they could do is settle for what they can achieve. It hurts, but not at all disappointing after all that work. It's emotionally impactful and that's enough.
@@mattblaster2378 i think mimir didnt expected any forgivness. He just wanted to whale to be freely swim in the water but when he saw that whale couldnt swim because of his actions , he relaized that he cant undo his actions and it truly broke his heart
emancipation from slavery comes in two steps. The first is the physical step, remove the shackles placed on the body. The second is a more mental step, wait for them to remove the shackles placed on their mind and soul. Cuz none but ourselves can free our minds. I also really like how Mimir was acting here, it shows how ashamed he feels and how much self-loathing he has towards himself for a horrible action he did in the past. And when he thought he got a chance at setting things right, it wasn't enough.
you can feel his desperation to do the right thing especially in this case because it seems he wasn't forced to do this for odin he decided to do it on his own which increases the guilt.
ye the creators have said they have created detailed story’s in the side missions to try and surpass the detail in the witcher’s 3 side quest i haven’t played the witcher 3 so i can’t know if they have or not but still i have enjoyed the side quests i have done especially the plains in vanaheim
@@lewisrigby886 I'd say they are equal as I played both games and witcher has some really good side quest that can be whole games to themselves and this game and the first didn't fall short from the side quest.
What is really crazy to me is if you come here with Atreus he has his own lines. They went through the hassle of recording a second set of lines just in case you came here with Freya.
Kratos enslaved people too the while spartan people did that's why there even known today he is in no place to talk as we know sparta had slaves in the gow universe and it was his job to keep them in place
@@livingglowstick1337 And he hates his spartan past so it makes sense that he hates slavers if he was one too. Remember, he hates gods, including himself for being one
@@livingglowstick1337 You know just because the Spartan's enslaved people doesn't mean Kratos liked it, What do you think he could have done to stop them? and unless I forgot when did Kratos ever personally enslave someone?
@@missdaisy2051 spartan soilders where the ones who controlled the slaves it was there duty to beat and kill them every spartan warrior had slaves especially generals who controlled a lot of them which kratos was
I love when Kratos questions Mimir about the situation if the whale cannot be saved, where Mimir doesn’t understand and Kratos simply suggests to continue. Kratos knew what was coming and it didn’t take him long to figure out after freeing him. This whole deal, Kratos’ experience with tragic regrets and the failure to make them right, is just too familiar to him and that’s sad in its own way. Like Kratos’ pessimism is almost deserved.
In a way, Thor was like this whale. He was so used to being Odin's abused tool, that he forgot how to decide things for himself. It took him his whole life to figure out how to rebel against his father, and he died for his troubles.
As much as I like the father son dynamic and love how Atreus geeks over his dads and Mimir’s stories, I almost like Freya’s attitude more for these side quest moments.
I mean in this scene they both had good dialogues but Atreus was able to feel what the animal felt and at least it was happy the wind was hitting its face whereas freya says she sees mimir torturing himself and all the other stuff but I do agree. I slightly prefer freya as they’re a bit more real with each other
I nearly dropped the game having to listen to her therapist voice all the time, preaching to me about empathy and cutting Kratos off when he’s telling an actual interesting story. She was insufferable imo.
I like that it explains WHY hes so accepting of Kratos and who he is. Rather than being patronizing. He knows what its like to think about the horrible things youve done in the past and the guilt. He paid his price. He knows Kratos has paid his.
"There is no making things right; only better than they were." I actually started crying when he said that. I'm mindful that Kratos has hurt others in his path to betrayal, but we all have our regrets. He's extending that to himself as well as Mimir. He knows there's nothing he can do to truly erase what he's done, but he doesn't want to cause any more suffering, even though it's not possible to stop fighting. "But... that's not enough." Maybe not for you, Mimir. But it's enough for the whale. Now get back to being a comic relief, already.
It's why Kratos stabbed himself at the end of his war with Olympus - the only justice he could offer to the people of Greece that suffered at his hands, was his own death. Yet, he did not die, so he continues to work towards trying to make amends, one day at a time.
"That's not enough!" "It seldom is." Boy if that doesn't hit you hard....Mimir sounds desperate to do more, despite his imprisonment and beheading. He's got almost nothing else to give and he's still beating himself up.
The dialogue in this scene really shows how Kratos & Mimir have grown from doing terrible deeds and the regret that they feel as a result of it. Kratos no doubt remembers how it felt to be enslaved and literally chained up by the Gods, feeling empathy as well as relatability for the whale in it's predicament of not knowing how to simply move on when it's shackles have been removed. Mimir learned the hard way how being trapped in one place, for a very long time feels like and the despair of not knowing if he'll ever know freedom again, kicking himself in the metaphorical ass for putting a gentle creature in the same kind of hell that he went through and the anguish of knowing just how much it still continues to affect the whale. It adds such a human element to two divine beings.
I feel like this is the true definition of post game and side quests. Many games will go for dlc and minor quests that don't equate to the actual story, but with Ragnarok each characters still manages to get development even afterwards.
To be fair, most of these side quests are available before the story is finished and isn't exactly post-game content, but yeah, it's nice to see they have Freya with different dialogue post-game for those who do leave the side quests for later.
I have to say that it's kind of poetic to see both Kratos and Mimir going about the efforts to free this creature on account of both of them having experienced similar things.
I understand how Mimir feels in a way. To make a decision that you greatly regret later and you try to atone for it, only you can't atone. There is nothing you can do but move on carrying that guilt. I know it all too well.
Kratos: Speaking of candles, riddle me this; why didn’t you use candles instead of oil lanterns that required this creature to be imprisoned? Mimir: … I think I want to stop the riddles now…
Tyr talks to Mimir about this. Tyr: I was a prisoner of Odin's. Same as this creature. Same as you. I assume Kratos took your head? Mimir: Aye. Tyr: And do you resent him for his inability to free your body? Mimir: Of course not. Tyr: Then perhaps you have some idea of how this creature feels. The creature appreciates Mimir for freeing it. *SPOILERS* This is not fake Tyr that says this. You can free the real one in Niflheim and find him in other realms after.
The line at least it can feel the wind on its face from Freya after her protection of baldur caused him to feel nothing indicates a beautiful parallel of regret and remorse
This is such a good scene. Most games probably woulda just gave gamers the satisfaction of watching the whale excitingly swim off into the ocean. But this game decided to go the more realistic approach, why would the whale be happy to be free after it spent so long there? What is there for it now? Also, sometimes people spend so long waiting to be free, that they get so use to there situation (usually prison) that by the time they’re freed they don’t even want it antmore
"It seldom is" be careful of what you say or do to a person, because even when you try to make things right, it can be too late, and you've permanently changed them
It's a great lesson. Mimir thinks his salvation is easily achieved by releasing this animal. But the reality is not like that. Some mistakes are very difficult to fix. Some of them are impossible.
Story time When she was young, my mother was obsessed with animals, bears in particular. One day in Spring, my grandfather came home visibly excited as a nearby zoo had received some animals rescued from terrible conditions: Elephants, tigers and even bears. My grandad took my mum that weekend, although both came home depressed instead of elated. The bears had been kept in such cramped conditions that they had no idea how to act now they were freed. My mum always cries with this story, telling us how even though the bears had large enclosures filled with things to keep them happy and entertained, all they did was stand in one spot, slowly swaying from side to side. It's all they knew.
Of all the side quests in all the video games I've ever played, this one will stick with me more than any other. Such a heartbreaking tale of bad decisions, guilt, and consequences. Sometimes the ramifications of your actions are so terrible that nothing you can do will ever make it right. All you can do make things "better than they were" and learn from those mistakes so as to never do it again.
With Kratos having a bad past and Freya filled with frustration and anger, I like that we’re actually seeing some of Mimir’s regrets in Asgard and seeing his attempt to redeem them.
Plus it didn't help that Freya already held a slight grudge against Mimir, given that he basically sold her into a marriage with Odin for a short-lived Vanir/Aesir truce.
Often the worst prisons are the ones we inflict upon ourselves If you see your life like the whales, please seek counselling and have the courage to ask for help
I am trying so hard not to spoil this game for myself until I will either buy a PS5, either for when it will be released on PC, but damn, I wished I never encountered this, it's so heartbreaking and sad. Really immersive experience. This game will win GOTY award easily.
6 months to a year if your gonna wait for pc port, you’ll likely forget this and only rmm you’ve seen before when you’re nearing the end of the quest. Happend to me with 2018
@@zer0games877 I think it will be a very close competition between GoW and Elden ring, but I think elden ring will win because of how much more open and non linear. Don't get me wrong GoW is amazing and I wouldn't be too surprised if it does get Game of the year, but Elden ring also has an insane amount of detail and polishing while allowing the player to play much more freely. Not to mention the amazing story telling.
the fact that kratos knows what its like to be chained and controlled, only difference is kratos murdered those who used him, the whale however, has no fight left.
"Does that surprise you? That an old man would be ashamed of the mistakes he's made?" "No." This intelligent conversation and very good writing for the characters is why it's goty
i love that Freya is accompining kratos when Atreus left. Kratos misses Atreus and would feel lonely without him. Freya is also lonely with her child gone and brother dead, so they can share the pain and comfort each other. I coudnt imagine any other to replace atreus and keep company to kratos than her.
I love what tyr said about this creature. "mimir, did you get angry at kratos for not being able to free the rest of your body?" Mimir says no, obviously not. And tyr says that perhaps the creature feels the same way
It's not that the whale doesn't know it can move. It's that it has been imprisoned for so long that it's body has adapted to it's chains. He knows the chains are gone but the damage has been done.
It’s not that the whale doesn’t realize it’s free. It’s grown so used to imprisonment that it doesn’t want to go anywhere else. (At least for the time being)
This reminds me of that experiment where people would put flies in jars. At first they would hit the ceiling, but they would soon adapt. Unlike us, animals can't tell the difference given enough time. They almost percieve it as normal.
The good news is, thanks to their actions, the whale does have a choice in whether it stays or goes. It's been trained to stay, but if it gets up the courage to, it *can* go. But mentally... yeah. It's stuck. And probably terrified to leave. Even if they did manage to scare it into the open ocean (which I doubt they could since it's been cut open for its blubber. Not much more trained helplessness than that) it would still be terrified and likely not know what to do. More a hurt than a help. Aside from freeing it's chains, there's not much more that Mimir could do. *should* do. It's not enough to make for what he did wrong, and it never will be. He can never give back the years and pain he stole from the whale. But he can give back the whale the main thing he took from it: it's freedom. Now that it's free from it's chains, it can slowly, on its own time, explore that freedom. It's survived this long. It'll overcome its conditioning eventually.
I’ve been looking for a video on doing this with Fraya for a while now. And now that I’ve seen it, I think it’s better with Atreus because he can actually hear what the creature is thinking.
You can see Kratos' anger towards Mimir when the whale is being used for lanterns but then his anger calmed down when Mimir said he hated himself for his action. Then when the whale doesn't want to leave and Kratos said that it has grown accustomed to it's chains, Mimir really wanted to do everything to make things right as he felt that he needed to do anything and everything to make things right is when Kratos' anger towards Mimir fully vanished, Mimir regrets what he did and wanted to make things right and Kratos saw that
god of war 2018 and ragnarok are so powerful in their stories, down to the smallest details. a wonderful story of growth from a man who slaughtered his entire home land through killing the gods, and now he’s becoming a savior to be worshipped in praise instead of fear. kratos is easily top 5 best protagonists in all of media
Kratos is a better man now, and he’s human. Doesn’t matter how much godly blood in him, as even the gods in this franchise are all very human. He can still be upset when witnessing a cruel act. Due to his own past, and the way he is now, him being angry with Mimir is understandable. Kratos never said “you’re a bad person” to him. He just sounded greatly disappointed in a past action. He knows Mimir, like him, is a changed man. Kratos is a man who once used an innocent woman’s spine to hold open a gate. A whale for oil, a woman’s death for a door holder. Both utterly pointless and cruel when there were numerous other options. Kratos can’t judge too harshly, and he so didn’t. He knows better.
I never done this favor or heard anything about this whale, but I remember on the main storyline hearing what sounded like a whale or a massive sea mammal in this area. Interesting
I only played this with Atreus at the beginning of the game but Freya is a greater companion to have for the mission considering how long she was imprisoned by Odin she sympathised greater with the creature
The choice of dialogue is hilarious sometimes, right after finishing this side quest not even 5 seconds away from where Mimir was all sad he yawns and ask Kratos how he can stay up for days.
Now I'm just imagining the Lyngbakr actually has a bunch of teeny tiny little legs, and it can get to the shore and scoot across like a huge terrifying millipede until it gets to open water.
"There is no making things right, only better that they were" is such a great line for that situation
Sad but true
And a sad but true line for many situations
HI REPENT JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU ALL JOHN 3:16
@@RealJewels repenting is worthless, spend that energy doing better
@@fgergver If you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised to life on the third day, you will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
“Does it surprise you.. that an old man may be ashamed of the mistakes he made?”
God this game has some amazing quotes
Chef’s kiss.
“It seldom is”
After you beat the Berserker king - - Kratos takes the Berserker sword hilt or something and it’s basically a metaphor for Kratos and the audience / player - the writing is honestly some of the best I’ve ever seen film, television or gaming wise
@@firstlast9846how's that a metaphor?
@@jobdekruijf2637I think he means the character development for Kratos, as now he shows how even evils have a capacity of good, and is a bit more kinda hopeful. When getting the hilt, he acknowledges that the hilt was used for evil-doings and such, but says to Mimir that the stories of the hilt is still being written; it can be used for good. This basically is a resemblance of the Blades of Chaos, and how Kratos’ sins were engrained into those blades. It was legit a burden and curse to him. But now he uses it for good, pushing past the burdens and the will to die.
For anyone who did this side quest with Freya and not Atreus, he is able to tell what the creature feels and actually confirms Freya's statement. I don't remember what he said but it was like "He says he's glad he can feel the wind on his face again". So instead of Freyas's word of encouragement that the creature was happy Atreus assures Mimir the creature is somewhat happier than before now
Well Freya is a nature goddess, like Freyr(why the elves love him, btw), she has somewhat of an understanding of all things nature.
It’s why, in the original mythology, she’s able to ask everything, not to harm Baldur. She didn’t ask mistletoe because she didn’t think it would be harmful.
Atreus may be able to speak to and listen to animals, as if they were people, but Freya is sorta like a heavily experienced zookeeper. She can’t speak to animals, but she can understand them on some level. It’s why her home was a giant turtle, it wasn’t her pet, he was her friend.
For anyone who did this sidequest. Its completely fictional specs of electronic data on a screen. They dont feel anything.
@@myguitartwerks7825 🤦🏻♀️
@@myguitartwerks7825 You're smart! Why hasn't Harvard accepted you yet?
@@MrNayGames lol
I like that they took their time to put in different interactions, depending if you have atreus or Freya doing these missions with you.
Forreals it’s awesome. It makes me wanna do all the side quests but with Freya this time
@@comicalcosmonaut959 I might actually consider doing that
I just finished the story mode and didn’t really do anything side missions except the oil rigs. I’m running around and having Freya narrate everything we’re doing. Soon I will replay and try to do the side missions before I finish the story so I can have atreus narrate
Wait you get to choose?
@@calisthetics Atreus leaves at the end of the story and it’s just you and Freya
This is so sad. The creature being accustomed to his chains, the fact Mimirs voice has a sense of sadness/despair when he realizes breaking its chains was not enough.
Yes. That is indeed what happened.
It shows that mimir even when he did something as cruel as enslaving an animal, which is pretty much top in being a mf, shows his soul, regret, pain and emphaty. While what he did was terrible it shows he isnt a monster like odin is
And yet it lifted it's fins and tail for us... Something isn't right here.
@@NoirRaven it doesnt mean literally, is a mental thing, it doesnt know another life than staying there, so that is what it does, it doesnt mean that those chains weren't painful or whatever
@@NoirRaven Yeah, it’s a mental issue of slavery, and maybe all the matters in this world. Trying thinking about a folk who is under pressure 4 years to graduate a diploma. He wanna break free from that hell and try his best to. But after he graduate, he feels somehow addicted to the assignments, the college pressure and all of stuff like that. He wanna go back to that hell, because freedom is too strange, too vast, or even too empty for him to explore. He finds another pressure to be busy and suffer, even if some work can’t make him earn money. Or as well as the communist citizens. They try to escape from a dictatorship, fight for a socialist future where people are equal. But after the success, they happily accept to live under other aother government. They are too accustomed to the “being ruled” mentality, they can’t live without being rule, no matter if there are many exits for them and they know all. It’s the meaning of Kratos’s wisdom. Slaves can be free physically, but remained imprisoned mentally. It will take time to break their mind free. Soon or after!
I love that kratos despite hating riddles is amazing at them
to be fair, in pretty much every game a huge component of his challenges comes in the form or riddles ( sure, it's the player who solves them, but it's technically supposed to be him).
@@kuroroluxifer8321 that would also explain why he hates them lol
Too many During the Greek Part
The Greeks fricking loved theater and riddles; he probably heard a bajillion from other gods and prophets.
Those old gow riddles from the greek trilogie hit different
Mimir struggling to set right a tragic regret of his is something Kratos knows all too much about.
HI REPENT JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU ALL JOHN 3:16
ya when Kratos was kind of mad with Mimir for never talking about this and then Mimir honestly asks:
Do you not expect an old man to have nothing to be ashamed for?
Kratos reflects on his anger and realizes the responsible way to reacf isn't to continously cast judgment down on Mimir (which is what he wants so he can get some kind of catharsis)
But to instead empathize with him
@@RealJewels That causes the opposite effect, mate. You suck at spreading His message.
@@RealJewels You are again spreading the wrong message. Fear and guilt-tripping is for those who read the Bible yet do not understand it. For even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose, but he does not understand its true meaning.
I'm telling you to be better. That's cause I'm trying to help you in your endeavor.
Damn, the Blades of Chaos just cut through stone like butter. Back then, it can't cut through wooden doors in Greece.
Well the developer back then, want us player to be....creative
they just had good carpenters in greece
Is seens that even the doors in greece were more powerful than anything in norse mythology, let's be honest, Kratos was holding back a lot lol
Those Greek wooden doors are something different
Those door were just built different
Near the end of this video you can actually hear the same music they used from the last game when Mimir asked Kratos to cut off his head, it’s actually a really nice symmetry, because I think we can all agree that in both cases, what Mimir and this creature went through is not living.
Even better is after the post game the another character gives Mimir closure on exactly that likening their shared experiences to a truer sense of freedom . Mimir isn’t mad at Kratos for not being able to save his body. And the whale is happy that the chains/shackles were cut
Its part of mimirs motif, i wish it was used more in this one as i love it, but we got the huldra brothers one a lot and its just as good
But how will Kratos move with a whale head attached to his hip?
@@Suthek he would find a way I’m sure, he’s freaking Kratos.
HI REPENT JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU ALL JOHN 3:16
I love how disgusted Kratos sound when he said "oil... for lanterns", like, Kratos maybe expected some kind og divine reason or maybe the creature were once a malicious being, but nope, it's just, for lanterns, and Kratos probably thoughts for a split second to just toss Mimir to the water at that moment out of disgust
But really, who is *Kratos* to judge anyones past crimes
Kratos is no one to judge
@@Vheesh Kratos is many things but not a slaver
It almost sounds like abit of old Kratos seeped out when he said it. At least the anger would be warranted this time.
@@ChromaticEagle How not? I thought he was a Spartan?
This is actually heartbreakingly true. This is kind of what they used to do to circus elephants. They'd clamp a metal chain to one of their legs and attach it to a peg in the ground as a baby. The baby elephant wouldn't be able to pull out the peg and the chain would cut into it's leg. Eventually, as the elephant grows into an adult, even though it could easily rip out the peg, they don't because they still fear the pain.
Historically, a lot of freed slaves just go back to their master. What can they do? Since birth they only know how to serve.
@@blushingralseiuwu2222 people who spend many years in prison are the same, alot of them prefer it to the outside world. Institutionalized
That’s so sad I never knew that I love elephants and whales 😢
@@Happycamper808 reminded me of that one character in Shawshank Redemption. He was an old guy who worked as the prison librarian. When the time came of his bail out, he felt normal life was empty and contemplated doing a petty crime to get imprisoned again. Needless to say he hung himself because of how empty he felt.
Yeah I’ve heard of this. You could even replace the chain with a rope and the elephant will give up at the smallest resistance
Old man, ashamed of his past mistakes. Damn, it hit pretty hard when he asked that sarcastic question.
Agreed I'm 31 and already gotten mistakes and honest this game is hitting home
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@@RealJewels shut up
It's interesting to me that this is an interaction between three former prisoners, trying to free an innocent beast. Kratos, slave of ares and then olympus, Freya, imprisoned for her wish to be free, and Mimir, the tortured wise man.
It's also interesting that they all push for Atreus to make his own choices and not be a slave to fate. He really is the freest soul in the games.
And the kindest.
These three very broken people not only feel empathy for the creature because they have all been captives, but they are all trying to come to terms with the regrets they carry from their very long lifespans -- Kratos for the deaths of his family and all the bloodshed that followed, Freya for what she did to Baldr, and Mimir for what he did to Freya and now the Lyngbakr. Even as Kratos and Freya are horrified to discover what Mimir did to the Lyngbakr, they both know they can't judge too hard without turning that back on themselves. Mimir mentions his own self-loathing -- which both Kratos and Freya have in abundance -- and the regrets they all share.
2:45 - 2:55 Kratos had already figured out what Mimir couldn't accept. For some imprisoned a cage can become a safe haven. A safe routine. Freedom is the unknown and terrifying.
Happens to a lot of prisoners in real life who go away for too long.
Reminds me of the character Brooks in Shawshank Redemption who became institutionalized, he spent in prison so long that it was the only home he knew
It doesn't help that many modern prison systems use prisoners as cheap labor, conditioning them to be obedient and docile, which in no way prepares them for the real world once they get out.
Persona 5 mementos depths: *hacks up a lung*
kratos: nearing the eye of the creature
mimir: brother, u fancy a riddle?
No.
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Yeah fairly bad timing especially considering what the riddle is about and the fact that Mimir in that scene was supposed to be feeling a lot of regret
Those dialogues are random actually. It was a bad timing here.
The dialog is random, but in my opinion, I think it's Mimir trying to break the silence, and distract him from his guilt for a moment.
I absolutely love how truly sad this is. All that effort for just a slight comfort. Not at all satisfying but I'm content with the results. A lot of other games miss this, thinking that an implied grand continuation of someone's story or a tangible reward should be what awaits you after a tedious quest. No. Either of those are pointless. This one, however. It shows the futility of your actions. Despite all three members' shared desire to help, all they could do is settle for what they can achieve. It hurts, but not at all disappointing after all that work. It's emotionally impactful and that's enough.
You don’t follow the path of redemption for forgiveness, but because it is right
@@mattblaster2378 i think mimir didnt expected any forgivness. He just wanted to whale to be freely swim in the water but when he saw that whale couldnt swim because of his actions , he relaized that he cant undo his actions and it truly broke his heart
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@@RealJewels
Will you please just shut up and actually say something worth while and relevant?
Damn you crying 🥺
emancipation from slavery comes in two steps.
The first is the physical step, remove the shackles placed on the body.
The second is a more mental step, wait for them to remove the shackles placed on their mind and soul. Cuz none but ourselves can free our minds.
I also really like how Mimir was acting here, it shows how ashamed he feels and how much self-loathing he has towards himself for a horrible action he did in the past. And when he thought he got a chance at setting things right, it wasn't enough.
you can feel his desperation to do the right thing especially in this case because it seems he wasn't forced to do this for odin he decided to do it on his own which increases the guilt.
We wuz kangz
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@@RealJewels you really had to ruin the mood?
All this is just a side mission!? They put a lot of work in this game.
ye the creators have said they have created detailed story’s in the side missions to try and surpass the detail in the witcher’s 3 side quest i haven’t played the witcher 3 so i can’t know if they have or not but still i have enjoyed the side quests i have done especially the plains in vanaheim
@@lewisrigby886 I'd say they are equal as I played both games and witcher has some really good side quest that can be whole games to themselves and this game and the first didn't fall short from the side quest.
Ha that's nothing u should play the witcher 3 there side quests and dlcs can be full games themselves
@@jaquanbrown413 yh
What is really crazy to me is if you come here with Atreus he has his own lines. They went through the hassle of recording a second set of lines just in case you came here with Freya.
Knowing that Kratos was a victim of being enslaved
He has every right
But yeah that's pretty wholesome that Kratos still treated Mimr as his brother
Kratos enslaved people too the while spartan people did that's why there even known today he is in no place to talk as we know sparta had slaves in the gow universe and it was his job to keep them in place
@@livingglowstick1337 that's exactly why he feels like that
@@livingglowstick1337 And he hates his spartan past so it makes sense that he hates slavers if he was one too. Remember, he hates gods, including himself for being one
@@livingglowstick1337 You know just because the Spartan's enslaved people doesn't mean Kratos liked it, What do you think he could have done to stop them? and unless I forgot when did Kratos ever personally enslave someone?
@@missdaisy2051 spartan soilders where the ones who controlled the slaves it was there duty to beat and kill them every spartan warrior had slaves especially generals who controlled a lot of them which kratos was
I love when Kratos questions Mimir about the situation if the whale cannot be saved, where Mimir doesn’t understand and Kratos simply suggests to continue. Kratos knew what was coming and it didn’t take him long to figure out after freeing him. This whole deal, Kratos’ experience with tragic regrets and the failure to make them right, is just too familiar to him and that’s sad in its own way. Like Kratos’ pessimism is almost deserved.
In a way, Thor was like this whale. He was so used to being Odin's abused tool, that he forgot how to decide things for himself. It took him his whole life to figure out how to rebel against his father, and he died for his troubles.
As much as I like the father son dynamic and love how Atreus geeks over his dads and Mimir’s stories, I almost like Freya’s attitude more for these side quest moments.
I mean in this scene they both had good dialogues but Atreus was able to feel what the animal felt and at least it was happy the wind was hitting its face whereas freya says she sees mimir torturing himself and all the other stuff but I do agree. I slightly prefer freya as they’re a bit more real with each other
I nearly dropped the game having to listen to her therapist voice all the time, preaching to me about empathy and cutting Kratos off when he’s telling an actual interesting story. She was insufferable imo.
I like that it explains WHY hes so accepting of Kratos and who he is. Rather than being patronizing. He knows what its like to think about the horrible things youve done in the past and the guilt. He paid his price. He knows Kratos has paid his.
Kratos is surprisingly good at riddles. Even the Brok's riddle, Kratos got really close with the answer.
"There is no making things right; only better than they were." I actually started crying when he said that. I'm mindful that Kratos has hurt others in his path to betrayal, but we all have our regrets. He's extending that to himself as well as Mimir. He knows there's nothing he can do to truly erase what he's done, but he doesn't want to cause any more suffering, even though it's not possible to stop fighting.
"But... that's not enough."
Maybe not for you, Mimir. But it's enough for the whale. Now get back to being a comic relief, already.
It's why Kratos stabbed himself at the end of his war with Olympus - the only justice he could offer to the people of Greece that suffered at his hands, was his own death.
Yet, he did not die, so he continues to work towards trying to make amends, one day at a time.
Santa Monica: We cant just make an entire section of the map dissapear!
Cory: We dont have to.
:'(
_Wonder if the staff ended up wishing they had taken on that alternative later._
*Erik. They actually switched directors for the second game.
It's awesome how even Freya has her own animation and line for the side missions too. Props for not leaving it out.
"That's not enough!"
"It seldom is."
Boy if that doesn't hit you hard....Mimir sounds desperate to do more, despite his imprisonment and beheading. He's got almost nothing else to give and he's still beating himself up.
If atreus were there he'd have told us that the whale liked the feeling of the wind on its' face.
The dialogue in this scene really shows how Kratos & Mimir have grown from doing terrible deeds and the regret that they feel as a result of it. Kratos no doubt remembers how it felt to be enslaved and literally chained up by the Gods, feeling empathy as well as relatability for the whale in it's predicament of not knowing how to simply move on when it's shackles have been removed. Mimir learned the hard way how being trapped in one place, for a very long time feels like and the despair of not knowing if he'll ever know freedom again, kicking himself in the metaphorical ass for putting a gentle creature in the same kind of hell that he went through and the anguish of knowing just how much it still continues to affect the whale.
It adds such a human element to two divine beings.
GOD OF SOY
@@dukkemonterier3429 ...Elaborate?
I feel like this is the true definition of post game and side quests. Many games will go for dlc and minor quests that don't equate to the actual story, but with Ragnarok each characters still manages to get development even afterwards.
To be fair, most of these side quests are available before the story is finished and isn't exactly post-game content, but yeah, it's nice to see they have Freya with different dialogue post-game for those who do leave the side quests for later.
I have to say that it's kind of poetic to see both Kratos and Mimir going about the efforts to free this creature on account of both of them having experienced similar things.
I understand how Mimir feels in a way.
To make a decision that you greatly regret later and you try to atone for it, only you can't atone. There is nothing you can do but move on carrying that guilt.
I know it all too well.
I am surprised of the dialogue change if you do this quest either with Atreus or freya
Kratos: Speaking of candles, riddle me this; why didn’t you use candles instead of oil lanterns that required this creature to be imprisoned?
Mimir: … I think I want to stop the riddles now…
I love the fact that Kratos writes a note about what he did to the boat captain in GOW 1
He regrets what he did but i gotta admit, him bullying the boat captain is hilarious. Man i am a bad person…
@@marksantiago9841 Aren't we all?
@@GianniLantigua not wrong 🤷🏾♂️
Tyr talks to Mimir about this.
Tyr: I was a prisoner of Odin's. Same as this creature. Same as you. I assume Kratos took your head?
Mimir: Aye.
Tyr: And do you resent him for his inability to free your body?
Mimir: Of course not.
Tyr: Then perhaps you have some idea of how this creature feels.
The creature appreciates Mimir for freeing it.
*SPOILERS*
This is not fake Tyr that says this. You can free the real one in Niflheim and find him in other realms after.
The line at least it can feel the wind on its face from Freya after her protection of baldur caused him to feel nothing indicates a beautiful parallel of regret and remorse
holy shi-
Me: Stuck in my room hours on end and refuses to go out
Kratos: It has grown accustomed to its chains
It took months or years for Kratos to say that
3:50 has me absolutely dying
God of War is one of the few game series that makes the side quests feels just as if not more important than the main story. Amazing.
This game is so much more than just a game. It's a series of life lessons.
This is such a good scene. Most games probably woulda just gave gamers the satisfaction of watching the whale excitingly swim off into the ocean. But this game decided to go the more realistic approach, why would the whale be happy to be free after it spent so long there? What is there for it now? Also, sometimes people spend so long waiting to be free, that they get so use to there situation (usually prison) that by the time they’re freed they don’t even want it antmore
"It seldom is" be careful of what you say or do to a person, because even when you try to make things right, it can be too late, and you've permanently changed them
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It's a great lesson. Mimir thinks his salvation is easily achieved by releasing this animal. But the reality is not like that. Some mistakes are very difficult to fix. Some of them are impossible.
We've heard Kratos angry before.
But, this was contempt.
When TV and movies are full of crap, this game comes along and moves me to tears.
Reddit moment
+1 updoot
3:52 best clip of the entire video
They were all on their journeys of redemption and found each other.
Story time
When she was young, my mother was obsessed with animals, bears in particular.
One day in Spring, my grandfather came home visibly excited as a nearby zoo had received some animals rescued from terrible conditions: Elephants, tigers and even bears.
My grandad took my mum that weekend, although both came home depressed instead of elated.
The bears had been kept in such cramped conditions that they had no idea how to act now they were freed. My mum always cries with this story, telling us how even though the bears had large enclosures filled with things to keep them happy and entertained, all they did was stand in one spot, slowly swaying from side to side.
It's all they knew.
Of all the side quests in all the video games I've ever played, this one will stick with me more than any other. Such a heartbreaking tale of bad decisions, guilt, and consequences. Sometimes the ramifications of your actions are so terrible that nothing you can do will ever make it right. All you can do make things "better than they were" and learn from those mistakes so as to never do it again.
At the end reading: "The Weight of Chains", broke me. It is like that saying, the ones who do not move, do not notice the chains that hold them back.
With Kratos having a bad past and Freya filled with frustration and anger, I like that we’re actually seeing some of Mimir’s regrets in Asgard and seeing his attempt to redeem them.
All three them are old with regrets of their past actions.
Plus it didn't help that Freya already held a slight grudge against Mimir, given that he basically sold her into a marriage with Odin for a short-lived Vanir/Aesir truce.
I like how with Atreus he says "it likes the wind on its face" nicer with the conformation it likes it
5:19 same music as when Kratos freed mimir from his imprisonment
i played through this and i was just as pissed and upset as kratos at Mimir. I don't think I had ever been this pissed at him
Mimir admitting he’s mistakes, proves that he has become wiser.
"Does that surprise you? That an old man would be ashamed of the mistakes he's made? Damn man that line is too good
I dont hate characters that made mistakes, I hate the characters that don't grow from them
I miss out on most of Freya conversation because I was doing side mission with my son. So rewatching things I miss is a blessing
2:24 that hits close.
A deep fear of mine. Living with all the mistakes I’ve made and will make
Often the worst prisons are the ones we inflict upon ourselves
If you see your life like the whales, please seek counselling and have the courage to ask for help
2:14 The pure disgust in Kratos voice. As mimir I would have been afraid of being thrown into the sea in that moment.
I am trying so hard not to spoil this game for myself until I will either buy a PS5, either for when it will be released on PC, but damn, I wished I never encountered this, it's so heartbreaking and sad. Really immersive experience. This game will win GOTY award easily.
i finished the game..and i think it will lose against Elden Ring.
6 months to a year if your gonna wait for pc port, you’ll likely forget this and only rmm you’ve seen before when you’re nearing the end of the quest. Happend to me with 2018
@@bastardog7998can you elaborate a little? I’m on pc so I’ll be waiting for it but why do you think it’ll be er? Btw I’m elden ring biased myself 😂
@@zer0games877 I think it will be a very close competition between GoW and Elden ring, but I think elden ring will win because of how much more open and non linear. Don't get me wrong GoW is amazing and I wouldn't be too surprised if it does get Game of the year, but Elden ring also has an insane amount of detail and polishing while allowing the player to play much more freely. Not to mention the amazing story telling.
the fact that kratos knows what its like to be chained and controlled, only difference is kratos murdered those who used him, the whale however, has no fight left.
"Does that surprise you? That an old man would be ashamed of the mistakes he's made?"
"No."
This intelligent conversation and very good writing for the characters is why it's goty
So to win goty, just make it a movie since only writing and conversation matter. Got it.
@@Devin7Eleven no one even said anything close to that shit lol.
Kratos felt that.
3:17 - Mimir: "There--you're free."
FREE WILLY
LOL
0:51 Damn the way Freya said “explain” made me feel guilty as well
i love that Freya is accompining kratos when Atreus left.
Kratos misses Atreus and would feel lonely without him. Freya is also lonely with her child gone and brother dead, so they can share the pain and comfort each other.
I coudnt imagine any other to replace atreus and keep company to kratos than her.
Kratos: "I remember the feeling of a yoke around my neck, I would not wish it upon another."
Fenrir, Sköll and Hati:
Kratos has gotten over 1000 respect points from me! I've dedicated my life to helping and saving whales and other animals out of situations like this!
*Mimir being immensely regretful for what he did to that innocent creature*
Also Mimir: “riDdleS”
The Weight of Chains....Hold you down even when they're gone.
I love what tyr said about this creature.
"mimir, did you get angry at kratos for not being able to free the rest of your body?"
Mimir says no, obviously not.
And tyr says that perhaps the creature feels the same way
“The irony is not los-“
“ *S K I A L F A* ”
"I hate myself and my years of torture cannot erase the atrocities I've committed."
...
"Want to hear a riddle?"
it's really interesting to see freya or atreus's reaction when your doing any sidequests as both have different lines of dialogue for the two.
You know the creature will not leave the place IF you see any ravens, and lores and you can see it in the map.
It may take a while, but whale should realise that he is finally free...
@John Wall baby steps. He may want to explore his new possibilities.
@@vitcher3507 If he even can. Doesn't seem to be enough space for him to leave the area. They probably took it when it was smaller
Whales are smart, it will accidentally discover that it can move again by drifting or beating its tail and swim off
It's not that the whale doesn't know it can move. It's that it has been imprisoned for so long that it's body has adapted to it's chains. He knows the chains are gone but the damage has been done.
It’s not that the whale doesn’t realize it’s free. It’s grown so used to imprisonment that it doesn’t want to go anywhere else. (At least for the time being)
This section takes me wayyy back...to GOLDEN AXE when I reached the village on the giant turtle's back...or the battle on the giant Eagle...
This reminds me of that experiment where people would put flies in jars. At first they would hit the ceiling, but they would soon adapt. Unlike us, animals can't tell the difference given enough time. They almost percieve it as normal.
"These walls are funny. First you hate them, then you get used to them, then you depend on them."
i respect that you waited for the entire riddle dialogue to be finished before proceeding haha
Freya truly does have a heart of gold,the way she’s touching the whale at the end,comforting it.
The good news is, thanks to their actions, the whale does have a choice in whether it stays or goes. It's been trained to stay, but if it gets up the courage to, it *can* go.
But mentally... yeah. It's stuck. And probably terrified to leave. Even if they did manage to scare it into the open ocean (which I doubt they could since it's been cut open for its blubber. Not much more trained helplessness than that) it would still be terrified and likely not know what to do. More a hurt than a help.
Aside from freeing it's chains, there's not much more that Mimir could do. *should* do. It's not enough to make for what he did wrong, and it never will be. He can never give back the years and pain he stole from the whale. But he can give back the whale the main thing he took from it: it's freedom.
Now that it's free from it's chains, it can slowly, on its own time, explore that freedom. It's survived this long. It'll overcome its conditioning eventually.
“It’s not moving… why is it not moving?”
It has grown accustomed to its chains.”
That is some heavy psychology coming from a man once in chains
Just subbed because dude actually plays with Kratos' original chest armor wich in my opinion looks the best
He was stuck on the tree for 100s of years so he did that when he was free imagine how long that whale been chained there
I’ve been looking for a video on doing this with Fraya for a while now. And now that I’ve seen it, I think it’s better with Atreus because he can actually hear what the creature is thinking.
You can see Kratos' anger towards Mimir when the whale is being used for lanterns but then his anger calmed down when Mimir said he hated himself for his action. Then when the whale doesn't want to leave and Kratos said that it has grown accustomed to it's chains, Mimir really wanted to do everything to make things right as he felt that he needed to do anything and everything to make things right is when Kratos' anger towards Mimir fully vanished, Mimir regrets what he did and wanted to make things right and Kratos saw that
god of war 2018 and ragnarok are so powerful in their stories, down to the smallest details. a wonderful story of growth from a man who slaughtered his entire home land through killing the gods, and now he’s becoming a savior to be worshipped in praise instead of fear. kratos is easily top 5 best protagonists in all of media
Kratos is a better man now, and he’s human. Doesn’t matter how much godly blood in him, as even the gods in this franchise are all very human. He can still be upset when witnessing a cruel act. Due to his own past, and the way he is now, him being angry with Mimir is understandable. Kratos never said “you’re a bad person” to him. He just sounded greatly disappointed in a past action. He knows Mimir, like him, is a changed man. Kratos is a man who once used an innocent woman’s spine to hold open a gate. A whale for oil, a woman’s death for a door holder. Both utterly pointless and cruel when there were numerous other options. Kratos can’t judge too harshly, and he so didn’t. He knows better.
Who knew they could give so much character development to a head.
This is the most heart-breaking moment in the game.
That soundtrack at the end was beautiful.
I never done this favor or heard anything about this whale, but I remember on the main storyline hearing what sounded like a whale or a massive sea mammal in this area. Interesting
2:00 GOD OF WAR ASCENSION LESGOOO
I only played this with Atreus at the beginning of the game but Freya is a greater companion to have for the mission considering how long she was imprisoned by Odin she sympathised greater with the creature
The choice of dialogue is hilarious sometimes, right after finishing this side quest not even 5 seconds away from where Mimir was all sad he yawns and ask Kratos how he can stay up for days.
"why? why isn't he escaping?"
"we're in the middle of a lake, mimir, what do you want him to do? flop around on dry land till he reaches the ocean?"
Now I'm just imagining the Lyngbakr actually has a bunch of teeny tiny little legs, and it can get to the shore and scoot across like a huge terrifying millipede until it gets to open water.
@@redwitch12 i read tht and i my mind went to the little stone crabs from pirates of the carribean tht carried the black pearl over land into the sea
@@amritmanhas2630 YES.