The Venator wasn’t ever retired fully. They were still in service after A New Hope. There’s a warlord in Star Wars who had over 100 Venator and Acclimator class assault ships and he didn’t just poop them out of his butt. The Venator just stopped being produced. as long as it was in good condition stayed in imperial service until it was too broken to fix. If not it was scrapped.
Btw the galactic empire should have kept these ships around their heavier ships imperial class executor class if they kept em around because of the amount of fighters they could hold they could have destroyed the rebellion easily personally if I would palpatine I would forget about the death star and use resources for more ships like that's and super star destroyers as the big guns
@@callumarmitage5375 Also add *listening on the only 3 at least somewhat competent figures in tha entire Empire!* They are: Thrawn with his TIE Defender program, Vader with his expirience and have enough brains to only *sometimes* listen to Tarkin, and finally Piat(I don't remember his name exactly) the Head of Imperial Army with his *clearly working* numbers/graphs system! And for the Sith's and myself's(because in this case I'm Palpatine) sake, *don't listen at all to that idiot of the man Tarkin, he'll just end up ruining everything, like THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF USAGE OF THE DEATH STAR ITSELF and Alderaan sithshow!*
@@jamesbrice3267 Yes just like the old republic's "Galactic Empire", they were much stronger and more competent than the Empire. I think that was only possible because the Galactic Republic existed at the same time. They kept each other in check, had their own force order, and had more modest ambitions. All despite also being run by a Sith Emperor. It's like Palp learned nothing from that time period.
Tarkin would probably assign him to a Gozanti that conveniently disappears on its first mission, unless Thrawn finds him first then he'd be flying an ISD in record time.
Anyone else find it strange that life long politician Sheev Palpatine, who spent most of his adult life as a Republic senator, had almost no idea how to operate a functioning galactic government?
He rushed it too much, honestly. He went from kindly Chancellor to horrible dictator in a snap. If he had really taken his time (Since he planned to be immortal, why not take your time?). Maybe it would've worked better for him.
He didn't care to run a government. By that time he was so consumed with the dark side, the only thing he was concerned with was his obsession of power and the pursuit of immortality.
Another nice thing about the Quasar Fire-class cruiser-carrier is that it can actually house the TIEs that are being ferried around by the Gozanti-class and Arquitens-class light cruisers. In the hanger bays they have the space to do all of the maintenance and repair needed to keep all the TIEs in the patrol fleet up and running. I can imagine some of the Gozanti-class cruisers used their outsized cargo capacity to keep the other ships supplied on longer patrols as well. These three ships are very complementary.
Very much so! Don't even need to secure a solid base on a planet surface to maintain your combat effectiveness. It's a HUGE boon! Something that I would definitely implement in a TTRPG game if I could :P
See, light ships alone would be enough to more effectively clamp down on piracy than most republic worlds outside the main hyperlanes. This is totally cost effective. Clamps down on piracy improves economy, this ingratiates the populations, has a (even if token) military presence for Reassurance/intimidation as well as general imperial operational business. All for a very low price. Its pure win.
We need to see canon Victory Class, Strike Cruiser, Gladiator, etc and a few more from X Wing/Tie Fighter games/ Table Top Armada. The days of 'we can only make so many models' when people have made these models and could be purchased far cheaper than making is available.
Models, Star Wars miniatures, one inch square base being 2meters of melee/combat movement. ISDm1, imperial star destroyer mark 1, is 1,600meters or 1mile scale. So 2m divided into 1,600m equals = 800m Each meter is 1sq inch = 800inches divide by 12in/ft = 66ft.66in. Ten or 12 people with, out stretch arms touching fingertips long. Star Trek Borg 3mi Cube will be big, just F-cking .. BIG ! Like a 190ft per side, as a 19story building. .. BIG .. Death Star 1 & 2, ... .. ? ...
I'm running a Star Wars RPG campaign using the old West End Games system. During one mission I replaced the generic armoured transport from the adventure module with a Gozanti. Then I placed the 1/270 scale model from the X-wing game on the table and said "That's what you're facing!" (And yes, it was carrying a TIE escort.) Good times!
Damn, a Gozanti with escort sounds like a great RPG fight. Perfect to set the difference in scale between normal people, even normal badasses, and the Protagonists of numbered films. Total background fluff if Luke is there, but for everyone else? Its a meaningful ship to see, and those Escorts make it more dangerous.
I love the gonzanti to me it is a near perfect design. Great for delivering cargo or troops while having ample protection and being able to carry a compliment of ties of walkers
I like that you mentioned how the Americans worked with Vietnamese villagers against the NVA , my father was a US Air Force Air Police Colonel and was a advisor to South Vietnam. He was one of the first advisors and took part in many of the first early battles even before we were fully engaged with North Vietnam and was very highly decorated.
The Empire could have cheaply replaced the double bridge of the Venator with a ISD looking bridge, if they wanted to simplify differentiate the Republic Navy from the Imperial Navy. And done a bit of a refit to make them more efficient and less crew intensive. And kept them as ISD screening ships.
ISD ships were very human intensive. For a ship around a mile long, it had a crew over 35,000. That doesn’t even include the stormtrooper legion of over 9,000! Venators had a crew of less than 8,000.
I love these videos. Really helps bring the details of the Star Wars universe to life, while also helping us connect some of the lessons of the fiction to the real world.
Speaking purely on aesthetics the Arquitence is probably one of my favorites in the Star Wars IP. Tied with the Raider corvette. They just look dynamic and aggressive in a way that few other ships pull off.
This is a fantastic channel! I find it awesome how much sense can be perceived in a fictional universe that was never designed to have this level of detail......but I gotta admit its a little disquieting when i wonder if everyone is perceiving sense in an irl universe that was never intended to make sense.
Its really annoying when I try to explain why the ISD was not the greatest ship for the empire and people just say it's good for oppressing people so it's good for them
Thank you for this series, Alan! I've been trying to formulate an outline for the Empire of the Hand's navy for my fanfics, but you brought up some points I had completely overlooked, and that would logically work well with the Hand's philosophy of forming actual alliances with the worlds of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions, as opposed to the Empire proper's more heavy-handed approach. The Gzanti-class' importance is especially relevant. Looks like I have some edits to make to my "Hand Navy" worldbuilding document!
Deep old school SW fan. Put down all the books after RoTJ and comics. Love the fleet action break down. It paints a reality that the war lords who formed after the emperors death had reasons to do so. And the equipment they needed.
The Gozanti Class Cruiser is one of my favorite ships in the Star Wars universe. It's just solidly built, looks utilitarian, and is a great size for a hero ship.
The Arquitence command cruiser is 320 meters long. We see in a clip u play when it’s next to a quesar there is no way there is more then a 30 or 40 meter gap between these to ships in length
The Arquintens is well know as being very inconsistent in size especially when, from what I've heard, the animators for the shows were told to straight up alter the sizes of anything to fit the style of shots they're going for. Bigger if they want a ship to look intimidating, smaller if they want a ship to look pathetic.
I recall reading somewhere that the classification of ships you'd normally see in independent actions were Cruisers or Corvettes. Frigates were escorts and battleships ask for escort.
Not gonna lie, the arquitens class was always one of my favourite ships, much prefer it over an isd. And I love the imperial version but it always bothered me that they got rid of the 4 twin laser canons on the side
The empire had capital ships for the Outerim as well. Vindicator class heavy cruisers, neutron class bulk cruisers, dreadnaught class heavy cruisers and gladiator class star destroyers worked great.
I mean this also applies to reality. A massive portion of the navy is smaller auxiliary ships. There's a lot of ships with lotta roles to play and star wars doesn't show it at all. Would be nice if those star destroyers had escorts like anti strike craft frigates or corvettes with them.
True isd were more like battleships, fit for the clone wars to fight enemy with overwhrlming numbers like the cis, but for time of peace thr empire was, the light and heavy cruisers and carrier mix would fit perfectly for peacekeeping where the main enemy would be pirates smugglers, slavers and simply other types of criminals, i would advise there would be few "heavy hitting" fleets in case war would happen (like the yuuzhan vong) but the backbone should be light-medium ships that can handle 99.99% of threats criminals could throw at you
The post Refermation Republic should have mass produced medium cruisers for planetary defence fleets, to take advantage of economies of scale. Planetary fleets can buy them at a subsidised cost or they can be assigned, or a mixture of both systems - with careful bookkeeping to prevent them being onsold to pirates ect. That would enable a vast amount of practical mid sized military ships to be available to patrol the regions outside the Core. In effect they become like police cars bought by departments from a manufacturer with a standardised design. It is definitely a lot cheaper and more practical than every police department having to commission their own squad car designs. Except they are also the local Coast Guard. And in times of war they can be requisitioned to join as a form of GAR. But in day to day operations they are the patrol fleet of a inhabited system, owned and operated by that systems government. A from the ground up Galactic Navy, instead of top down. Like if the Galaxy Fleet all bought from the same lot with a package deal.
The majority of a spaceship's costs aren't in the initial procurement, they are in maintenance and supply. So systems just bought whatever they could afford to maintain and whatever had available parts. Creating artificial monopolies through government spending is a bad idea.
Also after a hundred year war against evil space wizards that nearly ended civilization and was only stopped by one of said evil wizards killing the rest and going into hiding. Well, the Republic was tired of war.
What about when one of those planetary militias turns Separatist? They'd begin the conflict with an intimate understanding of the GAR's available arsenal and the ability to capture and use GAR assets. Plus when the various militias are called up to serve, there's a risk of major political friction regarding command structures, for example between systems that have paid for their own assets but use them poorly and systems whose defense is heavily subsidized but they use their forces extremely well. There's definitely merit to the idea, but its a trade off. That said, its definitely better than having no standing army, and no regional defense support. Personally, I see Star Citizen's system of Militia and Standing Navy to be a bit more elegant. You use the same economies of scale, but regional militias aren't buying the *exact* same ship, they're buying Peacekeeper and Civilian variants of the same hull, usually just missing a few weapon hardpoints or military exclusive systems, and both forces are meant to exist in tandem, focusing on different priorities that their variant classes each cater towards.
Alan, I really like Gozantis, Arquitens light cruisers, and Quasar Fire-Class carriers, these ships, (combined in a fleet together), are an economic and perfect way to project Imperial power and stay within budget. With 1 Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser-Class ship as flagship would be perfect. "My Emperor: right or wrong!" 💪🏻✊🏻👊🏻
The amount of credits spent on the two death stars could fund 10,000,000 Gozanti class cruisers. If the empire had taken those credits and built lots of the cruisers in this video, and more tie fighters, maybe some tie defenders, and a few ISDs they could’ve had so much more military power than they did with the death stars. Or yk, they could’ve invested it in the economy, and infrastructure and actually helped the people… but they’re the empire so lots of gozantis is probably the best we could’ve hoped for
If I was a pirate in the Star Wars universe I would want three Gozanti class cruisers with the four TIE Fighters each and possibly a Arquiten Cruiser as a home base. You could break them up into smaller strike groups to go after multiple targets or as one group to hit larger targets.
I like to do mental exercises and come up with solutions for issues like this. Alan has the great idea of long term transplantation of population and growing your own defense. In the meantime I came up with a solution involving a modernized Gozanti, 2 RZ1's, and a homemade shuttle that I came up with. It could patrol 6 systems at a time with the shuttles operating in pairs non-stop, while the Gozanti with it's 2 RZ1 would patrol a 7th. Each of the 7 groups would operate mostly independently but would periodically make scheduled refueling roundezvous with the Gozanti.
Rome had a great idea for incorporating conquered territory. When their soldiers retired after 10 or more years of duty, they were given land in a conquered place. Many soldiers, even a whole legion, would retire together; and settle, with their families. Basically creating a new Roman town. The government was able to: pay their soldiers and put them to peacetime work, with the funds they'd use for creating a new colony. Furthermore, you'd have a colony populated by trained soldiers. Who'd defend their new home at no extra cost to the state. Which would otherwise have needed to afford a garrison. Plus, you be able to recruit capable soldiers from these towns. New territory secured and developed while ensuring old soldiers don't become bandits or help a rival overthrow you.
I'm surprised I'm not seeing anyone else pointing it out, but it seems audio quality has been better in the past. I hope there was just a trouble during recording. I know you always strive for the best.
If the Gozanti was a bit longer, had more engines or faster engines, and could carry 8 tie fighters and 2 bombers, it would be the backbone of my fleet.
Mobile and multipurpose can often times beat slow and heavily armored and armed, simply because it takes so long to get the bigger thing to the problem area. Logistics can be a bitch.
If you play the Star Wars Armada table top miniature game A class 546 Command Cruiser 2 Arquitens Light Cruiser 1 Quasarfire cruiser carrier With plenty of fighter squadrons Makes a very versatile force that can take on light raiding groups by Rebels, if commanded competently.
The Gladiator class was the smaller, more reasonably priced Star Destroyer that was relegated to Outer Rim patrol duty. Personally I think the Gladiator would have made a fantastic baseline ship for the Empire, it is one of their most well-balanced designs.
The Imperial Navy was either designed to refight the Clone War but do it better or, in Legends, to prepare to fight the Yuzang Vong. The problem was that the Navy was mismatched for the tasks it was assigned.
Lastly the average Outerim would population if u look at the essential atlas, is anywhere from a few million which is actually pretty rare if u actually google all the planets in the outer rim. Plenty named ones have populations in the tens or hundreds of millions.. and quite a few even have billions or the rarer tens of billions.
*Italian voice* Gozanti🤌🤌🤌 ze stronga arma of ze empire! Edit: now if they had kept the acclamator and upgraded it as much as they did with the arquettins(sp?) And the gozanti they wouldn't have much need for the gigantic death doritos.
In a galaxy with such expansive wealth and unimaginable population, it is actually quite possible to have a significant military presence on every inhabited planet and moon. It just would have to be a practical presence. (Like a small orbital garrison with two or three platoons of foot soldiers, a squadron of well-rounded and tough fighter craft, a Gozanti-class cruiser, and a bunch of probe droids keeping an eye on things).
I can't say I even really like Star Wars anymore. That isn't to say I don't think fondly about some of it (original trilogy, kotor 1-2, republic commando, to name some). But I don't care about the last 15 years or so worth of stuff and have no desire to revisit anything from the franchise at all. Yet for some reason I still sit here watching SW videos from this guy alone. (well, if sacred cow shipyards does a video on SW stuff, i'll watch that too, but he talks about a lot more than just SW)
The one ship the Empire seemed to need but you so rarely see was the Interdictor. The Alliances tactic was Hit and Fade (the tactic of assymetricall warfare.) Interdictor comes in and you need to take it out before you can fade. Yes they are weaker so need more protection, but they are giving time for the ISD to do its thing, and that's not something you want to be on recieving end of. (I say ISD as its the poster child, the smaller ships mentioned in this video work better, but again need time that the Alliance wont give.)
I've been a follower of GenerationTech for quite a while. Alan has a very inviting personality. Not to mention, he knows his sh@t when it comes to Star Wars. This is my very 1st post. It's more like a question. Some would say a very stupid question. What's the difference between Canon and Legends?? Thank you in advance for not making fun of me.
So, out of curiosity, which of these would be great boarding vessels? Id say the Gazantte due too how cheap it is but would a Boarding Vessel configuration of the arquentins be good too?
You know something I ocasionally think of in starwars terms is what the empire should have been using to hunt down rebels instead squardrons of 3 or 4 stardestroyers, and what that comes down to is something like a squadron of 1 or 2 star destroyers as command ships with teeth, then at least 2 fully loaded venators for fighters support and bombing runs, finally an interdictor cruiser or 2, and at least 2 arquintens cruisers for every one of those larger ships to deal with the massive investment the rebels have in strike fighters. That way you can have a tight little squadron that can go around dealing with potentially very large rebel groups left right and center instead of sending inumerable amounts of resources in the form of star destroyers and death stars with 0 point defence that just get poped by a garbage scow full of explosives ramming the bridge. Edit. I suppose I can ammend that fleet mix to replace a quarter of those arquintens cruisers with about 20-30 gizanti cruisers, half of which would be scouts equipped with tie defenders and the other half would be ground support equipped with AT-TEs for that matter I would want all my tie fighters to be defender or at least intereceptor class rather than the standard styrofoam block class.
1v1 just the ships would go to the ISD. If each one wielded its full complement of available weapons and craft then the ISD wouldn't even land a shot on the Venator. V-wings would screen out the TIEs and then the ISD gets hit with multiple bombing runs.
@@treisenadams9036 That there also the fact that most fighter that are hyperdrive equip were even considering taking off from the hangars. Then it’s just one sided
I would like to see all three "cruisers" of the Imperial "Gunboat" Navy in service of the New Republic, the Light Cruiser was great in Mando, and the ideal "big flagship" for a small power like Mandolore.
Generation Tech: Smaller ships does show a thought process in writting. Smaller ships is going to be faster from a technological point of view. The Rebel Alliance being able to do surgical strikes, and speed is immportant. Why bring an entire armada when a couple C4 devices, completes the mission. The empire proved too much reliance on larger ships, with severe weak points. one thing i dislike is blastable bits on the outerhull. I have a really good idea, lets place Ammo, and plasma storage containers over our armor. The Starwars Rebels is lucky, i am not doing the planning for the Imperial war machine. Hint: The DeathStar would not have majical vents. I would have little baseball sized projectiles, Silent but once going off, your fighters is not coming back.
Oddly, there was a ship type missing from Star Wars lore (because it's not glamorous) - the fleet supply vessel. Supplying the infrastructure of the Imperial fleets (and armies) requires scores of medium to large transports. Subcontracting most or all of the infrastructure to the private sector creates a platform for military information bleeding out to Imperial enemies as well as a galactic money pit. Using ISDs as freighters is a misallocation of resources. Therefore, there should be a "space-born mobility" division of the Imperial navy.
Absolutely! I love whenever a Sci-fi property shows the smaller logistics vessels it makes the world feel alive. The only logistics ships I know about in Star Wars are the Altor-Class Replenishment Ship, The Imperial Light Tanker, the Zeta-Class Shuttle, and the zeta's big brother the Eta-Class Supply Barge.
if only Palpatine saw more than a "symbol" to the venators the rebels would have a harder time to deal with the empire. but ofcourse Palps wants big laser and big trigualar ships instead of investing more on starfighters, frigates and cruisers
Alan just cutting to the heart of the matter by saying the Empire was compensating for something by waving around their ISDs. I feel so sorry for the American economy now.
Dunno if an armada of ships like Gazantis would be BETTER or worse then a bunch of classic SDs? Guess depends on how modular, reliable an being able to equip, maintain an properly staff them
There were plenty of Outerim worlds loyal to the empire. And the ones that weren’t were usually suppressed fairly easily cause many didn’t have extremely militarized worlds. A few months of a complain and the war on that would was pretty much over. Just look at mocala. It took like 1 day for the empire to conquer It and it had a huge fleet on it.
Imagine how much more successful the empire could have been if they had clamped down on piracy and built mainly arcadence and gozanti class cruisers instead of stupid super isds and death stars
The Venator wasn’t ever retired fully. They were still in service after A New Hope. There’s a warlord in Star Wars who had over 100 Venator and Acclimator class assault ships and he didn’t just poop them out of his butt. The Venator just stopped being produced. as long as it was in good condition stayed in imperial service until it was too broken to fix. If not it was scrapped.
Yeah, we just mostly saw Vader's squadron
Btw the galactic empire should have kept these ships around their heavier ships imperial class executor class if they kept em around because of the amount of fighters they could hold they could have destroyed the rebellion easily personally if I would palpatine I would forget about the death star and use resources for more ships like that's and super star destroyers as the big guns
I love the Venator, it just looks like a REAL workhorse unlike the newer vessels, it looks more military navy than what we got in the older films.
@@callumarmitage5375 Also add *listening on the only 3 at least somewhat competent figures in tha entire Empire!*
They are: Thrawn with his TIE Defender program, Vader with his expirience and have enough brains to only *sometimes* listen to Tarkin, and finally Piat(I don't remember his name exactly) the Head of Imperial Army with his *clearly working* numbers/graphs system!
And for the Sith's and myself's(because in this case I'm Palpatine) sake, *don't listen at all to that idiot of the man Tarkin, he'll just end up ruining everything, like THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF USAGE OF THE DEATH STAR ITSELF and Alderaan sithshow!*
I think this man is called Ardus Kaine. The warlord of Pentastar alignment
I love Generation Tech cause he makes it seem like the Star Wars universe is our own, he makes it seem real and relatable
Like the Empire could have worked with more diplomacy and competence.
@@jamesbrice3267 Maybe if Palp founded a Sith Order like the Galactic Empire of old had, they wouldn't have fallen to rebels.
@@jamesbrice3267 Yes just like the old republic's "Galactic Empire", they were much stronger and more competent than the Empire.
I think that was only possible because the Galactic Republic existed at the same time. They kept each other in check, had their own force order, and had more modest ambitions.
All despite also being run by a Sith Emperor. It's like Palp learned nothing from that time period.
feels like a history lesson tbh
This is why Allen will never advance in the ranks of the Imperial Navy. He makes too much sense, and he would disagree too much with Tarkin
Tarkin would probably assign him to a Gozanti that conveniently disappears on its first mission, unless Thrawn finds him first then he'd be flying an ISD in record time.
@@zacharybyford8200 That is a pretty good point, Rebels would be cooked if allen ever joined the Empire.
@@johnray1956 not only empire but anyone from earth that played empire at war (on mods especially)
Anyone else find it strange that life long politician Sheev Palpatine, who spent most of his adult life as a Republic senator, had almost no idea how to operate a functioning galactic government?
He rushed it too much, honestly. He went from kindly Chancellor to horrible dictator in a snap. If he had really taken his time (Since he planned to be immortal, why not take your time?). Maybe it would've worked better for him.
He didn't care to run a government. By that time he was so consumed with the dark side, the only thing he was concerned with was his obsession of power and the pursuit of immortality.
The Gozanti was truly the underdog workhorse of the Empire. It's smaller craft like these that are useful for patrols, transport, and fleet escort.
Another nice thing about the Quasar Fire-class cruiser-carrier is that it can actually house the TIEs that are being ferried around by the Gozanti-class and Arquitens-class light cruisers. In the hanger bays they have the space to do all of the maintenance and repair needed to keep all the TIEs in the patrol fleet up and running. I can imagine some of the Gozanti-class cruisers used their outsized cargo capacity to keep the other ships supplied on longer patrols as well. These three ships are very complementary.
Very much so! Don't even need to secure a solid base on a planet surface to maintain your combat effectiveness. It's a HUGE boon! Something that I would definitely implement in a TTRPG game if I could :P
Very good point
Palpatine would have gotten away with it, too, if not for those meddling kids!
Do you mean Tarkin? Tarkin caused a lot of problems.
Nice, Scoob!😂
See, light ships alone would be enough to more effectively clamp down on piracy than most republic worlds outside the main hyperlanes. This is totally cost effective. Clamps down on piracy improves economy, this ingratiates the populations, has a (even if token) military presence for Reassurance/intimidation as well as general imperial operational business. All for a very low price. Its pure win.
If only Palpatine listened to Thrawn instead of Tarkin.
If they wanted weapons, strap more laser turrets and point defense on a gozanti and call it a day
Man, I am delighted that at least the Venator was being kept in service at the start of the Galactic Civil War.
We need to see canon Victory Class, Strike Cruiser, Gladiator, etc and a few more from X Wing/Tie Fighter games/ Table Top Armada. The days of 'we can only make so many models' when people have made these models and could be purchased far cheaper than making is available.
Models,
Star Wars miniatures, one inch square base being 2meters of melee/combat movement.
ISDm1, imperial star destroyer mark 1, is 1,600meters or 1mile scale.
So 2m divided into 1,600m equals = 800m
Each meter is 1sq inch = 800inches divide by 12in/ft = 66ft.66in.
Ten or 12 people with, out stretch arms touching fingertips long.
Star Trek Borg 3mi Cube will be big, just F-cking .. BIG !
Like a 190ft per side, as a 19story building.
.. BIG ..
Death Star 1 & 2, ...
.. ? ...
I'm running a Star Wars RPG campaign using the old West End Games system. During one mission I replaced the generic armoured transport from the adventure module with a Gozanti. Then I placed the 1/270 scale model from the X-wing game on the table and said "That's what you're facing!" (And yes, it was carrying a TIE escort.) Good times!
Damn, a Gozanti with escort sounds like a great RPG fight. Perfect to set the difference in scale between normal people, even normal badasses, and the Protagonists of numbered films. Total background fluff if Luke is there, but for everyone else? Its a meaningful ship to see, and those Escorts make it more dangerous.
I love the gonzanti to me it is a near perfect design. Great for delivering cargo or troops while having ample protection and being able to carry a compliment of ties of walkers
Same. It’s a great multi-role modular ship.
@@jeffreycarman2185And on top of that, it's cheap, so it wouldn't be hard at all to make plenty of them
I like that you mentioned how the Americans worked with Vietnamese villagers against the NVA , my father was a US Air Force Air Police Colonel and was a advisor to South Vietnam. He was one of the first advisors and took part in many of the first early battles even before we were fully engaged with North Vietnam and was very highly decorated.
The Empire could have cheaply replaced the double bridge of the Venator with a ISD looking bridge, if they wanted to simplify differentiate the Republic Navy from the Imperial Navy.
And done a bit of a refit to make them more efficient and less crew intensive.
And kept them as ISD screening ships.
Man, I need ECHenry or Fractal Sponge to do a mock-up of that.
I would rather see an ISD with that massive hangar bay
ISD ships were very human intensive. For a ship around a mile long, it had a crew over 35,000.
That doesn’t even include the stormtrooper legion of over 9,000!
Venators had a crew of less than 8,000.
@@Talon19 counting the pilots and the supporting crew? that seems off :#
@@ForestRaptor
The Republic didn’t have a standing army or large military, so it used lots of automation.
I love these videos. Really helps bring the details of the Star Wars universe to life, while also helping us connect some of the lessons of the fiction to the real world.
Speaking purely on aesthetics the Arquitence is probably one of my favorites in the Star Wars IP. Tied with the Raider corvette. They just look dynamic and aggressive in a way that few other ships pull off.
This is a fantastic channel!
I find it awesome how much sense can be perceived in a fictional universe that was never designed to have this level of detail......but I gotta admit its a little disquieting when i wonder if everyone is perceiving sense in an irl universe that was never intended to make sense.
Getting some Tex Talks Battletech vibes from this analysis. Solid work!
Its really annoying when I try to explain why the ISD was not the greatest ship for the empire and people just say it's good for oppressing people so it's good for them
It’s like using USS New Jersey on an anti-drug patrol. It’ll overpower anything it finds, but it’s poorly suited to the role.
Thank you for this series, Alan! I've been trying to formulate an outline for the Empire of the Hand's navy for my fanfics, but you brought up some points I had completely overlooked, and that would logically work well with the Hand's philosophy of forming actual alliances with the worlds of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions, as opposed to the Empire proper's more heavy-handed approach. The Gzanti-class' importance is especially relevant. Looks like I have some edits to make to my "Hand Navy" worldbuilding document!
Deep old school SW fan. Put down all the books after RoTJ and comics. Love the fleet action break down. It paints a reality that the war lords who formed after the emperors death had reasons to do so. And the equipment they needed.
It's a shame they ignored the whole Warlord plot line instead of the First Order/Operation Cinder stuff
The Gozanti Class Cruiser is one of my favorite ships in the Star Wars universe. It's just solidly built, looks utilitarian, and is a great size for a hero ship.
Like a discount Corvus from battlefront 2. That’s the dream home ship for me, but likely most of us would be happy to live in a gozanti
The Arquitence command cruiser is 320 meters long. We see in a clip u play when it’s next to a quesar there is no way there is more then a 30 or 40 meter gap between these to ships in length
The Arquintens is well know as being very inconsistent in size especially when, from what I've heard, the animators for the shows were told to straight up alter the sizes of anything to fit the style of shots they're going for. Bigger if they want a ship to look intimidating, smaller if they want a ship to look pathetic.
@@zacharybyford8200it’s still 320 meters. Poor animation or not
I recall reading somewhere that the classification of ships you'd normally see in independent actions were Cruisers or Corvettes. Frigates were escorts and battleships ask for escort.
Not gonna lie, the arquitens class was always one of my favourite ships, much prefer it over an isd. And I love the imperial version but it always bothered me that they got rid of the 4 twin laser canons on the side
Just hearing you say Eli Vanto aloud made my day. Man, I wish they would bring him into a show.
The empire had capital ships for the Outerim as well. Vindicator class heavy cruisers, neutron class bulk cruisers, dreadnaught class heavy cruisers and gladiator class star destroyers worked great.
Why do you suppose we didn’t see more Corvettes from the CIS during the Clone Wars?
"gen x talks" beat off a dead horse reference XD
I noticed what you did there GenTech. ;)
I mean this also applies to reality. A massive portion of the navy is smaller auxiliary ships.
There's a lot of ships with lotta roles to play and star wars doesn't show it at all.
Would be nice if those star destroyers had escorts like anti strike craft frigates or corvettes with them.
You mean like the Lancer class frigate?
True isd were more like battleships, fit for the clone wars to fight enemy with overwhrlming numbers like the cis, but for time of peace thr empire was, the light and heavy cruisers and carrier mix would fit perfectly for peacekeeping where the main enemy would be pirates smugglers, slavers and simply other types of criminals, i would advise there would be few "heavy hitting" fleets in case war would happen (like the yuuzhan vong) but the backbone should be light-medium ships that can handle 99.99% of threats criminals could throw at you
genuinely have like a 3 isd fleet per grouping of planets then per planet a fleet of 2 aquitiens 1 quasar then however many ganzatizs you need
The post Refermation Republic should have mass produced medium cruisers for planetary defence fleets, to take advantage of economies of scale.
Planetary fleets can buy them at a subsidised cost or they can be assigned, or a mixture of both systems - with careful bookkeeping to prevent them being onsold to pirates ect.
That would enable a vast amount of practical mid sized military ships to be available to patrol the regions outside the Core.
In effect they become like police cars bought by departments from a manufacturer with a standardised design.
It is definitely a lot cheaper and more practical than every police department having to commission their own squad car designs.
Except they are also the local Coast Guard.
And in times of war they can be requisitioned to join as a form of GAR.
But in day to day operations they are the patrol fleet of a inhabited system, owned and operated by that systems government.
A from the ground up Galactic Navy, instead of top down.
Like if the Galaxy Fleet all bought from the same lot with a package deal.
The majority of a spaceship's costs aren't in the initial procurement, they are in maintenance and supply.
So systems just bought whatever they could afford to maintain and whatever had available parts.
Creating artificial monopolies through government spending is a bad idea.
Also after a hundred year war against evil space wizards that nearly ended civilization and was only stopped by one of said evil wizards killing the rest and going into hiding. Well, the Republic was tired of war.
What about when one of those planetary militias turns Separatist? They'd begin the conflict with an intimate understanding of the GAR's available arsenal and the ability to capture and use GAR assets. Plus when the various militias are called up to serve, there's a risk of major political friction regarding command structures, for example between systems that have paid for their own assets but use them poorly and systems whose defense is heavily subsidized but they use their forces extremely well.
There's definitely merit to the idea, but its a trade off. That said, its definitely better than having no standing army, and no regional defense support. Personally, I see Star Citizen's system of Militia and Standing Navy to be a bit more elegant. You use the same economies of scale, but regional militias aren't buying the *exact* same ship, they're buying Peacekeeper and Civilian variants of the same hull, usually just missing a few weapon hardpoints or military exclusive systems, and both forces are meant to exist in tandem, focusing on different priorities that their variant classes each cater towards.
I like it when you do these videos. Thank you
Gotta love em
Alan, I really like Gozantis, Arquitens light cruisers, and Quasar Fire-Class carriers, these ships, (combined in a fleet together), are an economic and perfect way to project Imperial power and stay within budget. With 1 Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser-Class ship as flagship would be perfect. "My Emperor: right or wrong!" 💪🏻✊🏻👊🏻
This old saying applies here. If all you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
The amount of credits spent on the two death stars could fund 10,000,000 Gozanti class cruisers. If the empire had taken those credits and built lots of the cruisers in this video, and more tie fighters, maybe some tie defenders, and a few ISDs they could’ve had so much more military power than they did with the death stars. Or yk, they could’ve invested it in the economy, and infrastructure and actually helped the people… but they’re the empire so lots of gozantis is probably the best we could’ve hoped for
If I was a pirate in the Star Wars universe I would want three Gozanti class cruisers with the four TIE Fighters each and possibly a Arquiten Cruiser as a home base. You could break them up into smaller strike groups to go after multiple targets or as one group to hit larger targets.
I like to do mental exercises and come up with solutions for issues like this. Alan has the great idea of long term transplantation of population and growing your own defense. In the meantime I came up with a solution involving a modernized Gozanti, 2 RZ1's, and a homemade shuttle that I came up with. It could patrol 6 systems at a time with the shuttles operating in pairs non-stop, while the Gozanti with it's 2 RZ1 would patrol a 7th. Each of the 7 groups would operate mostly independently but would periodically make scheduled refueling roundezvous with the Gozanti.
I really like your channel thank you for making this videos.
Rome had a great idea for incorporating conquered territory.
When their soldiers retired after 10 or more years of duty, they were given land in a conquered place.
Many soldiers, even a whole legion, would retire together; and settle, with their families. Basically creating a new Roman town.
The government was able to: pay their soldiers and put them to peacetime work, with the funds they'd use for creating a new colony. Furthermore, you'd have a colony populated by trained soldiers. Who'd defend their new home at no extra cost to the state. Which would otherwise have needed to afford a garrison. Plus, you be able to recruit capable soldiers from these towns.
New territory secured and developed while ensuring old soldiers don't become bandits or help a rival overthrow you.
I'm surprised I'm not seeing anyone else pointing it out, but it seems audio quality has been better in the past. I hope there was just a trouble during recording. I know you always strive for the best.
If the Gozanti was a bit longer, had more engines or faster engines, and could carry 8 tie fighters and 2 bombers, it would be the backbone of my fleet.
Amateurs talk tactics,
Professionals talk strategy,
Masters talk logistics.
Me: "Lord it's flog, to flog a dead horse or flogging a dead horse"
Allen: "I find your lack of humour disturbing"
No way he said “there’s really just one way to bear off a dead horse” and then just moved on
Mobile and multipurpose can often times beat slow and heavily armored and armed, simply because it takes so long to get the bigger thing to the problem area. Logistics can be a bitch.
If you play the Star Wars Armada table top miniature game
A class 546 Command Cruiser
2 Arquitens Light Cruiser
1 Quasarfire cruiser carrier
With plenty of fighter squadrons
Makes a very versatile force that can take on light raiding groups by Rebels, if commanded competently.
this is why i'd love to see an updated version of Star Wars: Rebellion with more ship options available to use
Saw the video title and thought was gonna be about logistics but still very nice
The Gladiator class was the smaller, more reasonably priced Star Destroyer that was relegated to Outer Rim patrol duty. Personally I think the Gladiator would have made a fantastic baseline ship for the Empire, it is one of their most well-balanced designs.
Thanks for the great insights! May the LORD be with you! 🙏🏾💥
The Imperial Navy was either designed to refight the Clone War but do it better or, in Legends, to prepare to fight the Yuzang Vong. The problem was that the Navy was mismatched for the tasks it was assigned.
I enjoy all of Generation Tech videos
Is it weird that i really like the imperial Gozanti? I can definitely see an adventurers party make a base out of one.
The imperial gozanti is my favorite ship
Lastly the average Outerim would population if u look at the essential atlas, is anywhere from a few million which is actually pretty rare if u actually google all the planets in the outer rim. Plenty named ones have populations in the tens or hundreds of millions.. and quite a few even have billions or the rarer tens of billions.
*Italian voice* Gozanti🤌🤌🤌 ze stronga arma of ze empire!
Edit: now if they had kept the acclamator and upgraded it as much as they did with the arquettins(sp?) And the gozanti they wouldn't have much need for the gigantic death doritos.
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In a galaxy with such expansive wealth and unimaginable population, it is actually quite possible to have a significant military presence on every inhabited planet and moon. It just would have to be a practical presence. (Like a small orbital garrison with two or three platoons of foot soldiers, a squadron of well-rounded and tough fighter craft, a Gozanti-class cruiser, and a bunch of probe droids keeping an eye on things).
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I can't say I even really like Star Wars anymore. That isn't to say I don't think fondly about some of it (original trilogy, kotor 1-2, republic commando, to name some). But I don't care about the last 15 years or so worth of stuff and have no desire to revisit anything from the franchise at all. Yet for some reason I still sit here watching SW videos from this guy alone. (well, if sacred cow shipyards does a video on SW stuff, i'll watch that too, but he talks about a lot more than just SW)
The one ship the Empire seemed to need but you so rarely see was the Interdictor. The Alliances tactic was Hit and Fade (the tactic of assymetricall warfare.) Interdictor comes in and you need to take it out before you can fade. Yes they are weaker so need more protection, but they are giving time for the ISD to do its thing, and that's not something you want to be on recieving end of. (I say ISD as its the poster child, the smaller ships mentioned in this video work better, but again need time that the Alliance wont give.)
Interdictors are so strange, you'd think they'd be used all the time, but they're used so rarely
I'd love a Gozanti class cruiser kitted with 2 TIE Fighters and 2 AT-ST Walkers.
The Empire's gear in Rebels seems a lot smarter than in the films.
I'd argue the Carrack Cruiser was the real workhorse.
Not always, in Australia the mining billionaires get given a sweet deal from the government who are afraid of them.
I've been a follower of GenerationTech for quite a while. Alan has a very inviting personality. Not to mention, he knows his sh@t when it comes to Star Wars. This is my very 1st post. It's more like a question. Some would say a very stupid question. What's the difference between Canon and Legends?? Thank you in advance for not making fun of me.
So, out of curiosity, which of these would be great boarding vessels? Id say the Gazantte due too how cheap it is but would a Boarding Vessel configuration of the arquentins be good too?
You know something I ocasionally think of in starwars terms is what the empire should have been using to hunt down rebels instead squardrons of 3 or 4 stardestroyers, and what that comes down to is something like a squadron of 1 or 2 star destroyers as command ships with teeth, then at least 2 fully loaded venators for fighters support and bombing runs, finally an interdictor cruiser or 2, and at least 2 arquintens cruisers for every one of those larger ships to deal with the massive investment the rebels have in strike fighters. That way you can have a tight little squadron that can go around dealing with potentially very large rebel groups left right and center instead of sending inumerable amounts of resources in the form of star destroyers and death stars with 0 point defence that just get poped by a garbage scow full of explosives ramming the bridge.
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I suppose I can ammend that fleet mix to replace a quarter of those arquintens cruisers with about 20-30 gizanti cruisers, half of which would be scouts equipped with tie defenders and the other half would be ground support equipped with AT-TEs for that matter I would want all my tie fighters to be defender or at least intereceptor class rather than the standard styrofoam block class.
You should do a video about the Imperial Cargo ships used during the events of the Bad Batch and Rebels
I will never use a star destroyer unless it’s the venator
1v1 just the ships would go to the ISD.
If each one wielded its full complement of available weapons and craft then the ISD wouldn't even land a shot on the Venator. V-wings would screen out the TIEs and then the ISD gets hit with multiple bombing runs.
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That there also the fact that most fighter that are hyperdrive equip were even considering taking off from the hangars. Then it’s just one sided
I would like to see all three "cruisers" of the Imperial "Gunboat" Navy in service of the New Republic, the Light Cruiser was great in Mando, and the ideal "big flagship" for a small power like Mandolore.
I wonder if the empire every tried magnetically sealing the tie fighter like the trash compactors were.
Hello, friends. I watched the entire video. I am Generation Tech.
Generation Tech: Smaller ships does show a thought process in writting. Smaller ships is going to be faster from a technological point of view. The Rebel Alliance being able to do surgical strikes, and speed is immportant. Why bring an entire armada when a couple C4 devices, completes the mission. The empire proved too much reliance on larger ships, with severe weak points. one thing i dislike is blastable bits on the outerhull. I have a really good idea, lets place Ammo, and plasma storage containers over our armor. The Starwars Rebels is lucky, i am not doing the planning for the Imperial war machine. Hint: The DeathStar would not have majical vents. I would have little baseball sized projectiles, Silent but once going off, your fighters is not coming back.
I'd love to run a small shipping company with a trio of Gonzanti class cruisers.
The quasar is a nice carrier but ill be honest i feel like the tonfulk is more efficent space wise
I wish bro would do videos on the victory class star destroyers
3:26 not "calls local for help", it's "calls TRAITORS for help"!!! And not "Create peace" it's "Maintain control"!!!
Can you guys do a video on the parallels between Star Wars and Hinduism?
Oddly, there was a ship type missing from Star Wars lore (because it's not glamorous) - the fleet supply vessel. Supplying the infrastructure of the Imperial fleets (and armies) requires scores of medium to large transports. Subcontracting most or all of the infrastructure to the private sector creates a platform for military information bleeding out to Imperial enemies as well as a galactic money pit. Using ISDs as freighters is a misallocation of resources. Therefore, there should be a "space-born mobility" division of the Imperial navy.
Absolutely! I love whenever a Sci-fi property shows the smaller logistics vessels it makes the world feel alive. The only logistics ships I know about in Star Wars are the Altor-Class Replenishment Ship, The Imperial Light Tanker, the Zeta-Class Shuttle, and the zeta's big brother the Eta-Class Supply Barge.
if only Palpatine saw more than a "symbol" to the venators the rebels would have a harder time to deal with the empire. but ofcourse Palps wants big laser and big trigualar ships instead of investing more on starfighters, frigates and cruisers
Yup this is what thrawn kept talking about but nobody listened.
Alan just cutting to the heart of the matter by saying the Empire was compensating for something by waving around their ISDs. I feel so sorry for the American economy now.
Rip the victory class.
Dunno if an armada of ships like Gazantis would be BETTER or worse then a bunch of classic SDs? Guess depends on how modular, reliable an being able to equip, maintain an properly staff them
You would think they would keep some acclimators in the core regions
25,000 star destroyers or 18.75 million gozantis. I'd take the gozantis
Caldwell class too
I’ll never give up, what happened to Ben and American Ben?
What about the Carrack class??
The Gozanti is the Ford Econoline of the Star Wars Galaxy? Is Alan actually old enough to remember the Ford Econoline?
Those ships shidded and farded and camed their pant
Kinda funny how the most important and cost effective Imperial ships were not Imperial to start off
There were plenty of Outerim worlds loyal to the empire. And the ones that weren’t were usually suppressed fairly easily cause many didn’t have extremely militarized worlds. A few months of a complain and the war on that would was pretty much over. Just look at mocala. It took like 1 day for the empire to conquer It and it had a huge fleet on it.
4:59 That scene doesn't ring a bell; which show is it from?
Has he been recording his videos in Japan recently?
is it just me or is the audio a lot more prominent on the left ear side?
Tarkin litteraly wasnt loved as a child
Imagine how much more successful the empire could have been if they had clamped down on piracy and built mainly arcadence and gozanti class cruisers instead of stupid super isds and death stars