Should you adjust the inner burr setting on your Breville Barista Express, Pro, Touch, Oracle?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- If you have runny coffees coming out of your Breville espresso coffee machine, you need to see this before changing your internal burr grinder adjustment.
Runny coffee usually means stale/old beans, coarse grind size, little dose, little/uneven tamping.
I've owned my barista pro for nearly 3 years. I have never had to touch inner settings. Today is the first time I've ever struggled dialling in. Grinding as fine as possible & the coffee is pouring out. But yes, very rare to actually need an adjustment
This video saved me. Changed the internal setting in my pro to 4 upon unboxing due to some videos I saw here in youtube, and beans just got stuck with no grinding on the first grind. Had to clean and vacuum everything left in the burrs. Changed it back to internal 6 and external 15 and pulled my first shot which not bad actually. Might have been my beans that caused the initial issue, I don’t know. But thanks for this video mate!👊🏼
My pleasure!
Maybe I had bad luck and my unit was not properly adjusted from the factory, but I was never able to get a good extraction using the factory setting "6" on the outer burr. I've spent months and hundreds of dollars with several types of coffee, and all my shots were under extracted. Right now I have my outer burr set at "3" and side dial also set to "3" for a Ruta Maya median roast. I've inspected the outer and inner burrs and don't see signs of them running against each other.
Thank you for the input, yes i believe it's there to account for factory tolerances, and sometimes it is necessary to go to 4 or 3, but i'd do it in steps (1 number at a time), and to stop the moment you hear loud metallic noises!
Hello do you know if grinder can ground coarse enough for pour over
@@BouncyArtist yes probably. By increasing size to 10 on inner burr and max size on outer dial setting
@@caffeinefix2751 Thanks . Also the thing is people are changing setting of inner burr to make good espresso. I hope ill be able to make good shot by not having to change setting.
Hello, I'm sorry, but I'm translating this question through a translator, I have a sage barista express for about 5 months, after 2 months something went wrong with the grinder and I complained to the store, the stones were touching each other, they replaced the whole grinder, but when I make coffee, I use number 8, the coffee doesn't flow bad on it, when i switch to 7, the coffee hardly flows, when i switch to 9, the coffee flows really fast, do you think if i switch this internal grinder, the grind range will be fixed? and try switching up or down?
What you don’t take into account is that the beans themselves will push the metal parts away from each other. So it may sound that the metallic parts touch but with beans in, it probably does not. But I agree that it if is new then probably 4 is maximum. I have mine on 4 and it’s a pretty new machine. Also when the burr is old you may have to adjust as you point out.
You're right about the beans pushing the burrs away
I think i have the older version. I baby the machine, clean and also decalcify it regularly. Just bought a fresh bag of lavazza from woolworths or coles i think, and had low pressures. Turned my grind size down to 1 and tamped it with just about as much force as i could and still low pressure. So frustrating. Plus, i can hear the burrs really labouring at 1 grind size. Should i just take machine in to a service centre? Also, i fill my hopper up but sometimes the beans in there wont get consumed for a week. Is this the wrong approach? Just feel like it would be annoying to empty leftovers each time, or top up if i misjudge how much i need for the day.
Thanks for a detailed explanation. Yeah so over the years the burrs will ever so slightly move away and the grind size will increase as it wears out. That's why on the newer models the burr has a setting. In older machines, there's an internal calibration mechanism that does approximately the same thing but takes longer to do of course.
Regarding beans, not super knowledgeable about lavazza they can be good but also if they've been on the shelf too long that will certainly result in lower pressure and faster shots. Try aldi or better yet a locally roasted small bag of beans 250g probably about 15 bucks. Certainly pricier than Coles or aldi but will give you higher pressure at the same grind size as you're using.
Lastly, I wouldn’t recommend filling the hopper especially if you don't drink that much. You can either single dose (keep the hopper empty and only grind 18g every coffee) or fill a quarter and refill as needed. The top layers of the coffee will age and lose freshness over the week and that again will make it runny and less pressurised.
If the aldi or fresh beans don't help much and you're on the minimum grind size (barista express model bes870 with the round bean hopper not the square one) then you could bring it to a service centre for assessment. If you're in Melbourne, I'm happy to do this for you.
Mohammad.
When I started 3 years ago with my Sage (Breville barista express) I used mostly grind size 8 to get the best coffee, over time I was using lower and lower settings and now I realized coffee is flowing too fast and my grind size is 1 and I was stuck.... so thank you for solving this mystery, I am going to play with this inner setting now :)
My internal burr was set to 2 from the factory. It choked the machine on the first run lol. I think the assembler was drunk on mine 😂
I had to go from 6 to 3. I got all the way down to 1 on the side with 6 as my burr setting. Definitely needs to be adjusted with some beans!
I set my burr adjustment to 4 and have set the adjuster on the side of my machine to 4 and gotten pretty good results. Burrs have never touched, and I think Breville have designed the grinder in such a way that the burrs won't touch even if you use the finest settings. Considering their products are consumer grade (rather than pro-sumer level) they tend to be fairly idiot proof.
They will touch if you go grind size 1 on both the outer and inner, sadly. When that happens, new burrs right away
Thank you for explaining so clearly.
Pretty much your saying the outer dial is a fine adjustment compared to the inner burr settings.
And you said older gassed off, stale beans could a cause of low pressure just as I was thinking too!
I will try fresh bought beans and see if I can get the pressure back up with original settings. If the pressure is dropping with any given bag of beans, it could indicate they are getting old from what you're saying.
Bulk purchases are a better deal, or so we think? Not if you can't use them before they go bad.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and tips.
Wish I'd watched this a week ago. Thanks.
Hi, my smart grinder pro suddenly dropped from the usual 14 to 6 settings. Does this means the upper burr assembly has been worn out? Does anyone can confirm this?
You mentioned there's a mechanism to change the burr setting on the older machine, may I know how? I have the old one, been struggling with the coarse grind even I set the dial to 1
That method is quite a bit more involved and will require opening of the machine, and if done incorrectly can damage the burrs and the motor, perhaps you could take it to a technician or bring it to me (if you're in Melbourne Australia!). The other option is to order the new top burr (with adjustment) online
@@caffeinefix2751 oh, I am located in Canada, but I did get the adjustable burr, it didn't feel quite right when I first put it in with default set at 6, so I increased it to 8, now it's fitting nicely, but the grinding is somewhat slow. I hope it's not my machine is too old that the adjustable burr isn't very compatible to it. Thanks for the reply!
i roasted my own beans for many months, my grinder setting is always constantly set at 13, inner burr 6. I have not been changing this setting for a few months. The main reason is, my roasted beans is always fresh and consume within 3-6 days. I had ever encountered stock beans that over 1 month, i have to change the outer and inner burr from time to time.
for espresso?
Hello do you know if grinder can ground coarse enough for pour over
Thank you so much. I've been grinding at 1 for years and have had to add a lot of grounds to get a decent pull. I originally thought I needed to move the inner burr closer to get better, but it got worse! After watching this it's all clear. My machine was set to 3 out of the factory. I just checked and that was way too close. It touches at a 5! We'll see tomorrow how my pull turns out now that it's set right.
3/7 is the best. 4/8 is also good
what setting are you running your machine on? Do you have the barista touch?
Hi, great vid very helpful. I'm struggling to get the 2:1 recipe, I've got both settings down to 1.. I know, close, so I think my grinder had it, is it possible to buy both burrs, ie, inner & otter, and of so would it solve my issue? do you think
It's possible. To start with diagnosing your issue, I need to know how old the machine is, how old the beans and what brand they are, and what settings are you using
@@caffeinefix2751 Hi and thanks for answering. It's a Sage/Breville Oracle, Yes machine was a pre used purchase, but about 3yrs old, Beans are "Rave" dark roast and about 4mths old ( many other beans, younger, older etc have been tried ) Settings are Tamp pressure 60 & 10 secs , 30 sec, total extraction time with 21 g of coffee
@@raglan44 no worries at all if you’re getting only 21 g in 30 seconds, then you’re grinding too fine. I would increase the grid size by 10 on the LCD.
@@caffeinefix2751 Hi and sorry, when I said 21 g of coffee, that was the input amount, I'm actually getting 120 g output liquid
I got a question: I manually adjusted the grinder to 13 using the touchscreen (Barista Touch). The thing is, when I turn the machine off and then turn it on later on, the touchscreen signals the grinder is at 14. Does it do that automatically or is it some kind of mistake? As I reckon the grinder adjustment is only manual
To be a little bit more clear: I set it at 13 using the outer dial, which shows the number on the touchscreen. How did it get back to 14 after turning it off and then on!?
@@rodrigonitrini7144 I experienced something similar on my pro, it's just an artefact/mistake in the sensor or programming, because maybe the grind size is between 13 and 14 so the sensor changes like that. Let's say you bring it closer to 13, it should stay there. It may change by 1 number as you grind but not more than one number
@@caffeinefix2751 Thank you! That makes sense. Do you reckon that if you move it around a little bit (2 points up or 2 points down), does it help the sensor find itself where it actually is in detail? It seems to be the case.
@@rodrigonitrini7144 yes I think so, but also it's a matter of luck, so if you happen to be halfway between two numbers, it'll alternate to 13 and 14 then 13 etc. But if you go closer to the number it'll probably stay there. Like you said, it's a mechanical adjustment of the grind size so your grind size isn't actually changing
@@caffeinefix2751 Thanks!
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Thank you, that was very informative. My machine's just over a year old and I recently bought a bag of Lavazza beans from the supermarket, weighed exactly 18g, evenly distributed, evenly tamped etc. With the outer grind setting on 1 and the internal burr set at its default of 6, pressure was definitely too low. I've since adjusted the internal mechanism to 5 and the pressure's much better. However, given the (approximate) 3-1 ratio between outer and inner mechanisms, am I better off moving the outer setting from 1 and adjusting the internal setting to compensate, or vice versa? To be honest, given my wife prefers a less robust flavour, I'd prefer the outer grind setting up at around 14 but I guess I'm largely governed by the beans I'm using? Any assistance greatly appreciated.
Just saw the word lavazza and read your comment because funnily enough, that's the last bag of beans i bought, which prompted me to look this up due to absolutw frustration of having too low pressures. I would put my grind size down to 1 and tamp it with most of my body weight behind it and still get low pressures. Maybe lavazza is just no good 🤷
So my actual grinder came out and I can’t get it back in. Ugh 😣 a friend told me to adjust it and I feel like I messed it up even more
I have same problem!
@@barbararobinson6582 I had to send it back actually to get it repaired.
Did you make sure there were no beans in there? Need to hoover it or it won't go back in fully