I find it incredibly tedious; and I'm really very appreciative that Paul takes the time not only to film it, but to narrate and edit it as well. As tedious as it is, it's a wonderful encyclopedia of testing that I find myself referring to again and again.
I appreciate the chronograph information. Always good to see how close or not the velocity is from what is printed on the box from the different brands of ammo.
Remember folks, ammunition is often tested in barrel lengths you may not be using the ammo in, especially 22 LR ammunition (often tested in rifles), and longer-barrelled handguns (not your ultra-sub-compact-mini-9mm or snubbie revolver with a 1 inch barrel). You'll see significant pressure differences caused by short barrels, not bad ammo.
@Mark H, I agree with what you are saying. I was just trying to express my appreciation for Mr Harrell’s approach and assessment of the data. Especially the variation in velocity he gets from the same ammo. He seems to give a fair assessment.
Paul Harrell once again showing us he's deadly at long range; most might scoff at the "20 yard pistol shooting WTH" but look at the size of these groups, 3, 4, 5"
@@mattberry4457 Paul had to send a drunken man to the sweet by and by because he endangered his(Paul's) wife on a camping trip. It was dark and the man was driving his truck at the time. It's not always about the size of the groups, but if you can perform under intense pressure.
@@mattberry4457 Hmm, guessing his groups were approximately 4". At 20 yards, standing in the cold. I'd say pretty darn good. Duplicate the conditions, record yours and post up, whilst standing, free hand, no bench rest.
Over the years I have widdled down the number of firearms related channels I watch. Paul your's has been ny favorite since the day I stumbled in here. Outstanding content delivered by a true professional.
Good information, well presented. I know know more about a couple ammunition manufacturers that I did not know before; very helpful. As for Mr. Harrell wearing his LBV in the field, I assume it is because in Mr. Harrell's well reasoned thinking he considers it necessary to wear it in the field. He's out there alone, with his expensive guns and expensive camera equipment and is responsible for his own safety. I think that is very logical.
The only reason I really like to see the chronometer tests is to see the variability. For sure 20fps is like 2% and won’t do much outside of high level competition, but higher variability shows lower QC.
I shamefully admit to drifting a little during the chronograph segments, but only because the background scenery is so often gloriously, well, scenic. Very glad he keeps them in regardless.
Wow, two Paul Harrell videos in a single day! Actually gives me a reason to celebrate this holiday weekend. Also, that ammo test was so tedious...loved it! Thanks for keeping it detailed.
I'm glad you're still out here presenting data in this way. I may not need to know about that ammunition right now, but I might in the future, and it will be nice to have an honest and trustworthy comparison if that day comes.
Sorry if there are active concerns that your having to be alert for Paul. Goes without saying, love all of your content and I have learned so much for you. Thank you Paul !
I always figured the reason you wear that kit in every video is because of your military experience; it's what you've trained with. You know it, are comfortable with it and it works for your needs just fine, so why change it? And as always, fantastic video!
I won't re-quote anything from Paul's other videos, but there's enough bits and pieces of info in them that it's logical and fairly easy to understand why he carries his LBV loadout the way he does. Another great vid Paul, thank you for the information as always!
Another masterpiece 👍😎👍 . Please continue to put the chronograph footage as a part of the presentation. Thanks for all the great content and entertainment.
My BP9 likes 124 grain stuff, and luckily, so does my wife's BP9. So we both carry the same weapon everyday, along witht the same ammo. 125 grain Sig V-crown.
Great comparison review! Thanks for doing the dirty work for a fair test, and seeing how it performs, in case as you said it becomes available and reasonable. Love your work and dry humor!
Thanks for the video! That all of the ammunition except the MagTech seemed to go left a little bit was interesting. I hadn't thought about the angle of the sun causing that, but I can see where that would be an issue.
I've been to the Patriot store front/warehouse and they're nice folks with big plans. I found the ammo a bit more accurate than the Winchester and Remington I normally shoot. They have big plans for the future
I live in Central Arizona and have not seen any of the Patriot Sports in local stores yet. Have noticed more Magtech and .25 caliber lately. Been wearing surplus LBE and WW II web gear for many years.
As always, great video. The 'not theatrical' comment at the beginning was a shock. Perhaps Paul will fill us in at some point soon. Needless to say, if he feels the need to be permanently prepared and armed .... theres a good reason. Stay safe.
Curious what defensive ammo you use and does the Magtec pattern similarly to it? I reload 9mm, 124 grain round nose for training ammo. It patterns very close to my Speer Gold Dot, 124 grain defensive ammo. But when I was running low on my reloads, I wanted to buy some commercial ammo. I'll give the Magtec a shot and see how it does. Thanks for any reply. Cheers
New to the channel. Here to see how Patriot Sports LLC ammo performs since it’s what’s available at my gun store. Love all the info and different comparisons. I’m going to pull the trigger and purchase Patriot Sports 223 55 grain for my AR and see how it goes.
Very rare occurrence indeed, since that instance requires the refresh rate of the camera align perfectly with the particular position of the projectile Higher rate cameras increase that probability, of course super slow mo cameras built to catch it everytime
Love that 92FS platform. Dumbest trade I ever made was giving up my Taurus PT100 (.40 cal clone to that pistol you were shooting. Actually location safety was much better). Anyway at 15 yds on a sand bag that old pistol (circa 1985) would keyhole a mag if the shooter did his job...at least with my 180 gr reloads.
Except for two rounds, the Patriot struck me as being tightly clustered around 1050. I computed the standard deviations, and Patriot wins in that measurement. Standard deviations are: 13.56 (MagTech), 10.67 (Winchester), 9.93 (Remington), and 8.56 (Patriot)
It is interesting that your first two choices had far less vertical stringing, which is generally a sign of velocity changes….at least with rifles at longer distances anyway.
Paul: I watch these videos intently (have not seen everything you've done though) and I appreciate you calling out your fliers, but can you go into why they happen and ways to eliminate them? Seems to be a very interesting phenomenon and many amateurs seem to blame the gun first off and/or the ammo but never themselves.
Paul, love your vids and you advertised that you will have to sprinkle in some of those sponsored videos. But in short succession they are a getting a bit bland. Just a suggestion - maybe you could spice them up a bit with showing what self defense load they would be a good training match for looking at recoil and point of impact
Paul is a great shot with a pistol!! I am 80 and my hands shake a good bit, so my pistol groups at 20 yards are far and wide. I think it may be the ammo that I shoot??
Looks like pretty good ammo that I'd have no problems shooting, but after pricing it on their website, it looks pretty expensive and not too widely available. For my purposes, I can, and have, bought other 9mm training ammo for considerably less and gotten pretty decent results.
7:26 Not sure if it was a trick of the light but I usually don't see the projectile headed for the target so clearly. Especially with 9mm. I always think it's cool to see.
That one was very obvious; the sun was gleaming on it making it a copper blur and I'd wager it was either an artifact of the camera's frame rate or even a slightly underloaded round, or both!
@@Hjerte_Verke Given typical shutter speeds for outdoor lighting, there was an extremely narrow time window for the camera to capture that moment. I wonder if the diagonal lines are due to the bullet rotating. I'm guessing the rifling of the gun barrel is designed to induce 1 full rotation per N inches of travel, and perhaps the diagonal lines in the frame would line up with that. Rolling shutter could be a contribution, though it is hard to tell how much.
I wouldn't mind seeing the same test with Igman 124g 9mm. I've been finding it online for a very competitive price with others like CCI Blazer Brass, Sellier & Bellot, and PMC. I've been using it and have been happy with it.
I know I'm going to try it. Now that I know my local gun shop offers it. Especially for the price. If I pick it up at the gun shop. I don't have to pay shipping costs. That, saves in some cases. BIG MONEY! Since most ammo suppliers charge by weight. Since this gun shop is only 4 miles from my house. No brainer
Paul Harrell, the self-described “Average Shooter”. LOL. Your humility is amazing. Love your videos. And yes, even the tedious chronograph footage.
Paul: I’m an average shooter… look a butterfly 80 yards away, I’ll hit it in the left wing…. Got it!!!!
If he’s the average shooter I need to go back to water guns…
"We've substituted Paul Harrell for the average shooter; let's see what happens..."
Being an _Average Person_ myself, I have to agree, because I shoot as _Average_ as he does. ⭐👍👍🤠🐎🐎🐎
I find it incredibly tedious; and I'm really very appreciative that Paul takes the time not only to film it, but to narrate and edit it as well. As tedious as it is, it's a wonderful encyclopedia of testing that I find myself referring to again and again.
The people at patriot sports are doing a happy dance right now.
The man who always gets to the point.
I appreciate the chronograph information. Always good to see how close or not the velocity is from what is printed on the box from the different brands of ammo.
Remember folks, ammunition is often tested in barrel lengths you may not be using the ammo in, especially 22 LR ammunition (often tested in rifles), and longer-barrelled handguns (not your ultra-sub-compact-mini-9mm or snubbie revolver with a 1 inch barrel). You'll see significant pressure differences caused by short barrels, not bad ammo.
@Mark H, I agree with what you are saying. I was just trying to express my appreciation for Mr Harrell’s approach and assessment of the data. Especially the variation in velocity he gets from the same ammo. He seems to give a fair assessment.
I think seeing the consistency or otherwise is more valuable.
Paul always throwing out those caveats. Lol. God bless you, Paul.
Paul Harrell once again showing us he's deadly at long range; most might scoff at the "20 yard pistol shooting WTH" but look at the size of these groups, 3, 4, 5"
those groups are not very good at all.
@@mattberry4457 Paul had to send a drunken man to the sweet by and by because he endangered his(Paul's) wife on a camping trip.
It was dark and the man was driving his truck at the time.
It's not always about the size of the groups, but if you can perform under intense pressure.
@@mattberry4457 Hmm, guessing his groups were approximately 4". At 20 yards, standing in the cold. I'd say pretty darn good. Duplicate the conditions, record yours and post up, whilst standing, free hand, no bench rest.
Over the years I have widdled down the number of firearms related channels I watch. Paul your's has been ny favorite since the day I stumbled in here. Outstanding content delivered by a true professional.
With the rare exception, he's the only one I watch.
Good information, well presented. I know know more about a couple ammunition manufacturers that I did not know before; very helpful.
As for Mr. Harrell wearing his LBV in the field, I assume it is because in Mr. Harrell's well reasoned thinking he considers it necessary to wear it in the field. He's out there alone, with his expensive guns and expensive camera equipment and is responsible for his own safety. I think that is very logical.
The only reason I really like to see the chronometer tests is to see the variability. For sure 20fps is like 2% and won’t do much outside of high level competition, but higher variability shows lower QC.
I shamefully admit to drifting a little during the chronograph segments, but only because the background scenery is so often gloriously, well, scenic. Very glad he keeps them in regardless.
@@richhardie6897 Lol, yeah it’s hard sometimes, but you gotta stay awake and watch for stray deer in the background. 😀
@@richhardie6897 If I do drift, I find myself looking for deer or Bigfoot in the background.... and I'm often rewarded with a sighting
Thanks for making the Patriot Sports LLC video
This review comes at a good time, I'm seeing a lot more 9mm available out there. This helps make some decisions. Thanks for sharing.........
Pretty cool, camera catching the flight of some of the rounds.
I'm happy someone else saw that. I thought I was hallucinating.
I had to go back and watch it at 0.25x speed to be sure. I didn't know cameras could even do that.
Thanks Paul, I always appreciate your reviews!
Wow, two Paul Harrell videos in a single day! Actually gives me a reason to celebrate this holiday weekend. Also, that ammo test was so tedious...loved it! Thanks for keeping it detailed.
So I didn't really win a lifetime supply of Pop Tarts?
Thats fkd up sounds like you won the lottery and they just took it all away
😥 sorry to hear that.
No, you win second prize, a used meat target. Contact me on wat z app to collect!
I feel lied to...
Woulda been gold if a scam bot replied to your comment lol
I love the Chrono scenes. 10⭐&👍👍🤠
Thank you Paul for being consistent and professional while having realistic understanding to your topics and explanations. Appreciate you. 👍🏻
Well that was the fastest recap of a previous episode I have ever seen.
I was actually impressed by the Magtech. When available it’s the most affordable I can find.
Watching a Paul Harrel video and skipping the chronograph section is like going to eat at a burger place and leaving out the patty.
No
Paul Harrell, the man the myth the legend
Indeed he is
How is he a " Myth " ?
@@IrnMaiden304 that no man can eat a poptart and shoot accurately at the same time
NEVER TEDIOUS-- always entertaining & informative-- carry on !
I like the content Paul you're very informative and objective with all of your ballistic matchups
Loved the video Paul, thank you, looking forward to hearing why you are outfitted as you are, hope it’s not down to any injury….
It's just a sign of the times that Paul has to open carry on the range. Pop-tart banditry is not a joke.
JMHO- I like the ALICE LBE gear.
It's good serviceable kit.
Thanks for the video
I'm glad you're still out here presenting data in this way. I may not need to know about that ammunition right now, but I might in the future, and it will be nice to have an honest and trustworthy comparison if that day comes.
Noticed this is a cinematic video: 24fps movie look. Like the professional production style 👍
Sorry if there are active concerns that your having to be alert for Paul. Goes without saying, love all of your content and I have learned so much for you. Thank you Paul !
I always figured the reason you wear that kit in every video is because of your military experience; it's what you've trained with. You know it, are comfortable with it and it works for your needs just fine, so why change it?
And as always, fantastic video!
I'm thinking more of the possibility of a Big cat, a bear, or a rabid coyote. Wolves are also making a comeback.
He didn't used to, so something has changed. I'm a long time follower.
Consistent, fair and informative. Hallmarks of a Paul Harrell review.
I won't re-quote anything from Paul's other videos, but there's enough bits and pieces of info in them that it's logical and fairly easy to understand why he carries his LBV loadout the way he does.
Another great vid Paul, thank you for the information as always!
Summary for us stupid people?
I always just assumed it was what he was comfortable with and what worked for him. Never really put much thought into it.
@@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 Capitol police Lt. Michael Byrd
Thanks Paul for another smooth video.
Another masterpiece 👍😎👍 .
Please continue to put the chronograph footage as a part of the presentation. Thanks for all the great content and entertainment.
As always, very informative!
My BP9 likes 124 grain stuff, and luckily, so does my wife's BP9. So we both carry the same weapon everyday, along witht the same ammo. 125 grain Sig V-crown.
Right on
Great presentation, Paul.
2! Count them, 2! Paul Harrell videos!
Thanks Spongebob
Your brother sent a man to hell in minneapolis.
Every time you upload, we all win a prize
Thank you.
Great video! Thanks Paul 😊!!
Interesting review as always.
Another great video. Thanks Paul.👍
Great comparison review! Thanks for doing the dirty work for a fair test, and seeing how it performs, in case as you said it becomes available and reasonable. Love your work and dry humor!
Thanks Paul! Very enjoyable!
Thanks for the video!
That all of the ammunition except the MagTech seemed to go left a little bit was interesting. I hadn't thought about the angle of the sun causing that, but I can see where that would be an issue.
I've been to the Patriot store front/warehouse and they're nice folks with big plans. I found the ammo a bit more accurate than the Winchester and Remington I normally shoot. They have big plans for the future
I looked up the word "tedium"... according to Merriam Webster... its "the time spent twiddling thumbs between Paul Harrell videos"...
We have a double feature this week!
I live in Central Arizona and have not seen any of the Patriot Sports in local stores yet. Have noticed more Magtech and .25 caliber lately. Been wearing surplus LBE and WW II web gear for many years.
Great stuff, as always.
Double tap of PH Videos 👍👍
Thanks Paul!
Whoo-hoo! Bonus round! Two PH vids back to back! And some nice, tedious chronograph analysis besides!
Yeah ! Always down to watch that !
Thanks Paul
As always, great video. The 'not theatrical' comment at the beginning was a shock. Perhaps Paul will fill us in at some point soon. Needless to say, if he feels the need to be permanently prepared and armed .... theres a good reason. Stay safe.
Nice video. Thank you.
Went and looked up the company. Distributes product out of Topeka Kansas, ammo made in Czech Republic. Only has 124gr 9x19 and 55gr 223/5.56.
I've actually been there and met them. Super nice folks with plans to expand selection
Lovely quality and production. Paul Harrell and Co. thank you.
A two-fer. Christmas came early. Thanks Paul, Semper Fi.
I've been happy with Magtec 124gr FMJ for practice. I like that it is loaded a little hotter than the others.
Curious what defensive ammo you use and does the Magtec pattern similarly to it? I reload 9mm, 124 grain round nose for training ammo. It patterns very close to my Speer Gold Dot, 124 grain defensive ammo. But when I was running low on my reloads, I wanted to buy some commercial ammo. I'll give the Magtec a shot and see how it does. Thanks for any reply. Cheers
@@greg9076 It seems to work fine for defensive practice
Outstanding review.
Great
Hope your back feels better.
There is nothing like waking up and hearing the echo of Paul's ammo testing ringing throughout the hills.
Keep the ammo reviews coming paul 👍👍
Just wondering about this ammo. Great timing.
7:28 The camera caught the bullet mid-flight! .25X speed helps.
Patriot is imported Scorpio from Czech Republic but in a different box, sold direct from their website, and at a higher price than Scorpio? Cool.
Paul referring to himself as “the average shooter”. Stop! My sides! 😂
New to the channel. Here to see how Patriot Sports LLC ammo performs since it’s what’s available at my gun store. Love all the info and different comparisons. I’m going to pull the trigger and purchase Patriot Sports 223 55 grain for my AR and see how it goes.
Interesting. One of the frames right around 7:28/7:29 caught the bullet just before it hit the target.
At 7:27 you can virtually SEE that bullet entering the target! Sweet.
Very rare occurrence indeed, since that instance requires the refresh rate of the camera align perfectly with the particular position of the projectile
Higher rate cameras increase that probability, of course super slow mo cameras built to catch it everytime
thanks
Thanks.
Is Paul Harrell "the average shooter"? You be the judge.
In my subdued sarcasm Paul, anytime I watch your videos, I win a prize. A day on the range is better than no day.
Love that 92FS platform. Dumbest trade I ever made was giving up my Taurus PT100 (.40 cal clone to that pistol you were shooting. Actually location safety was much better). Anyway at 15 yds on a sand bag that old pistol (circa 1985) would keyhole a mag if the shooter did his job...at least with my 180 gr reloads.
Thanks!
Except for two rounds, the Patriot struck me as being tightly clustered around 1050. I computed the standard deviations, and Patriot wins in that measurement. Standard deviations are: 13.56 (MagTech), 10.67 (Winchester), 9.93 (Remington), and 8.56 (Patriot)
The only guy on UA-cam that I automatically click like before I hit play
It is interesting that your first two choices had far less vertical stringing, which is generally a sign of velocity changes….at least with rifles at longer distances anyway.
Paul: I watch these videos intently (have not seen everything you've done though) and I appreciate you calling out your fliers, but can you go into why they happen and ways to eliminate them?
Seems to be a very interesting phenomenon and many amateurs seem to blame the gun first off and/or the ammo but never themselves.
I am still waiting to see this average shooter, Paul is always talking about.😅
Paul, love your vids and you advertised that you will have to sprinkle in some of those sponsored videos.
But in short succession they are a getting a bit bland.
Just a suggestion - maybe you could spice them up a bit with showing what self defense load they would be a good training match for looking at recoil and point of impact
You shoot a lot more than I get to. Your groups always make me feel better about my groups. No shade on you. Just you show realistic groupings.
Paul is a great shot with a pistol!! I am 80 and my hands shake a good bit, so my pistol groups at 20 yards are far and wide. I think it may be the ammo that I shoot??
Looks like pretty good ammo that I'd have no problems shooting, but after pricing it on their website, it looks pretty expensive and not too widely available. For my purposes, I can, and have, bought other 9mm training ammo for considerably less and gotten pretty decent results.
7:26 Not sure if it was a trick of the light but I usually don't see the projectile headed for the target so clearly. Especially with 9mm. I always think it's cool to see.
You can see the remington bullet before it hits the paper crazy
Is that a new jacket?
Paul, you are not the adverage shooter. My groups would be much much more spread out. ;)
14:00 WOW the camera happened to capture a frame at just the right time to see the bullet mid-flight!
Same thing happens at about 7:27 too!
Cool! I totally had missed seeing that. Thanks for the heads up.
That one was very obvious; the sun was gleaming on it making it a copper blur and I'd wager it was either an artifact
of the camera's frame rate or even a slightly underloaded round, or both!
I thought I caught that too, so I replayed it back at 25% speed and sure enough that was indeed a bullet in flight.
@@Hjerte_Verke Given typical shutter speeds for outdoor lighting, there was an extremely narrow time window for the camera to capture that moment.
I wonder if the diagonal lines are due to the bullet rotating. I'm guessing the rifling of the gun barrel is designed to induce 1 full rotation per N inches of travel, and perhaps the diagonal lines in the frame would line up with that.
Rolling shutter could be a contribution, though it is hard to tell how much.
I wouldn't mind seeing the same test with Igman 124g 9mm. I've been finding it online for a very competitive price with others like CCI Blazer Brass, Sellier & Bellot, and PMC. I've been using it and have been happy with it.
I know I'm going to try it. Now that I know my local gun shop offers it. Especially for the price. If I pick it up at the gun shop. I don't have to pay shipping costs. That, saves in some cases. BIG MONEY! Since most ammo suppliers charge by weight. Since this gun shop is only 4 miles from my house. No brainer
I use Magtech 45 ACP, and it certainly has more recoil than other brands, so it must be a hotter load than average.
I'm one of the people who enjoys the chronograph segment.
It's not so much as we want to watch Paul shoot the chorono. As much as we just like Paul. I mean name anybody cooler.
Watching again
I like the magtech because where I live it’s as cheap as anything else yet it isn’t underpowered like most others