2043: Wow, I can emulate both in a web browser on my smartphone*! By the way, what even is a PC? seriously though, as a rule, you can emulate previous-generation hardware on next-generation one. "The PC" was (and still is) a gaming platform that can be emulated like any other. *) some emulators are already there
@@CHA0SHACKER "Keeps the hackers away." We can't have microsoft or other big companies go bankrupt because of piracy now. It's not acceptable if there was any dollar they can't earn.
The adapter you are using for the PS/2 keyboard is almost certainly a passive adapter. That won't work unless the keyboard supports USB. There was a generation of keyboards that supported both PS/2 and USB but had only one of the two connectors and then included an adapter. You need an active PS/2 to USB adapter.
PS/2 was designed to hit the IO controller directly on either the motherboard so its a little different. And yes, those adapters were for keyboards that were PS2 and USB and the adapter would flip it over. You'll need one with its own PS2 to USB microchip
Came here to say this. You need an active PS/2 to USB adapter. The adapter you’re using is a passive one and requires that the keyboard explicitly supports switching between USB and PS/2.
@MVG: Try looking for a beige Y-cable USB to 2xPS/2 adapter with a rectangular plastic box in the middle of the cables. This one used to be very common and inexpensive and has the active logic circuit you need to handle the conversion.
@@ibex485 The problem with those is you can end up with poor n-key rollover performance. For something like this I'd spend a bit more and get a Soarer's PS2-USB adapter.
@@IOwnCalculus Hm I just tested this in chocolate-doom using an old IBM keyboard that I _think_ has NKRO and that beige active Y-cable Ibex mentioned and it definitely did not have NKRO support so that's disappointing but thanks! I didn't know that.
(Edited! I had it the wrong way around at first.) The simple "green" USB adapters that came with early PS2 keyboards and mice were not actually PS2 to USB converters on a protocol level .... they basically only physically connected the PS2 plug to the USB plug, and left it to the peripheral to detect what kind of port it was plugged into and switch to the correct protocol. If the mouse or keyboard you have does not support that kind of passive adapter, it won't work. Your keyboard will probably work if you use an active adapter.
The support for these adapters actually come from the keyboard, which, if it supports the adapter, is designed to detect if you're using the adapter and switch the protocol it communicates with.
I actually still use MS Internet / Multimedia keyboards. They're my favorite keyboards of all time. I know I have issues don't judge me! I even have one new in box stashed for the future. You're right he probably needs the Y adapter, those simple adapters often do not work.
But what if I told you.. I got a Lenovo think centre m58 that I'm gonna upgrade as much as I can and got tiny 11 on it right now and run old games or even newer games
It's to stop people from poking at the OS for vulnerabilities to stop piracy. By allowing homebrew to work they are essentially splitting the homebrew and piracy communities by splitting their motives.
It was a great idea to allow users to segment their hardware and run homebrew in a secure environment. Keeps people happy without opening up the entire platform to hacking /piracy.
Good tip for HDMI>VGA adapters, you want one with a high clock cycle rate, look for Delock adapters, can't quite remember the exact model number but they're a proven good brand and any of them should do for running 1280x720p at 120hz if your monitor can handle that, which an Xbox series whatever should be happy with.
@@jpesicka999 The last NVidia card, incidentally, to have true analogue output (via pins on the DVI-D connector) was the Titan X (Maxwell). Not sure on the AMD side of things but my HD7750 still has it, and that can run anything up to COD: Black Ops rather well.
Main issue with the Delocks is they're often just incredibly buggie ie not waking up from sleep, image artifacts etc. The main thing that has taken their place in CRT circles for a default suggestion is the Startech DP2VGAHD20 which does 375mhz when it comes to pixel clock. Now this is a DP to VGA adapter and obviously not everyone has DP out. If restricted to HDMI then yea a Delock is probably worth the gamble.
@@nap8187 It depends on the model. Personally I want to grab the 450mhz Delock, my Iiyama can't run at its full capabilities on my Startech or IcyBox. D:
For the the tip you've asked: You need an active USB to PS2 adapter to reuse your old PS2 keyboards and mice. It's better to get the 2-in-1 Keyboard and Mouse to USB adapters as they're most definitively active converters.
Dude I'm actually really impressed to see Windows 98 running on an Xbox series s quite indeed impressive. Just Imagine playing half life,Quake and unreal those kind of games that I used to play a lot during the Windows 98 days. Neat.
I’ve had a similar vibe using my Steam Deck in Desktop mode while docked. After using Windows 8.1 and later 10 for the past 8 years, using the Deck’s comparatively simple Linux desktop with a basic keyboard, mouse, and external monitor setup kinda brought me back to that Windows 98/XP feeling. Certainly helps that the Discover application has 3D Space Pinball, Sonic Robo Blast 2, and tons of other freeware 😅
I use Arch Linux (SteamOS 3's upstream) in more or less a similar configuration to desktop mode. It just feels like home, in a similar way Windows felt on the desktop right until 10.
the best part of all this is it shows just how much BETTER things can get when you give an easy no-hassle way of flip flopping a console between regular and dev mode. It's Microsoft generating a ton of good will by going 'Here, this thing we made. We would like you to play with it.' No Mod Chips. no Hassle. No real way to use it for Piracy. The fact dev mode is this easy to unlock disencentivizes development on ways to break in for the sake OF piracy to boot. Like... I see a lot of people just staring at mod chip makers like 'why the hell would I buy your product?' So this not only shrinks the number of people who want to develop a workaround but also the potential customer pool. The fact that you turned it into a retro PC is just the cherry on top.
Indeed. Paired up with the Sidewinder Force-Feedback Joystick, you can really feel them tugging and grip loss in the tires while driving and the rather forceful but realistic recoil from weapons. One of my favorites paired with that joystick.
A modded Xbox Series S is what makes that console worth buying, because the vast potential of playing old Windows games and even Nintendo GameCube games is what makes it a good value. Especially there’s been a surplus of Xbox Series S consoles since it lacks exclusive games! My friend Robert, has said that modding the console makes it way more playable than the stock mode!
@@beezle1976 only some stuff works in dev mode, but you can’t run lot of emulators and applications without a mod. Especially you can’t run old Windows 98 CD ROM games on the console without a disk drive, I want to be able to run an external CD drive, that would run lot of old software on the console!
I did this a while ago as well. I have a few retro pcs so it was just for fun, but I agree that its a fun project. I did the same thing for AmigaOS using the UAE core in retroarch. Equally good fun. Given that I have it set up already it's not something I need, but it'd make a cool video if you have the inclination. Perhaps you could showcase some software that takes advantage of the sorts of specs an emulated Amiga can offer. I dont think many people are aware that an Amiga can be a completely different league than something like a 16 bit console (which appears to be the assumption by most who are only familiar with unexpanded a500's, etc.) and in fact more in line with the 1st gen of 32bit consoles. I think a video like that could be interesting to a lot of people.
You need an active adapter. Those PS/2 -> USB adapters you show in your video are passive and expect the mouse/keyboard to "talk USB" on its own. Find a adapter that has one USB and 2 PS/2 ports - you can then connect both mouse and keyboard and occupy just one USB port and by nature, such adapters must be active ones.
The second this video popped up on my feed, I laughed and thought: "only MVG would make a video like this" Great video! I enjoy how much mileage you're getting out of the Series S!
People who made those emulators, whole OS, Xbox Series consoles, Direct X are the ones who are geniuses. Most people can follow the guide to do these things. Not discrediting mvg, he himself was a contributor to the earlier versions of Kodi.
I managed to get Win98 installed last year on an older retroarch build on my Series S, which was great! I then didn’t know how to carry the Win98 install over to a newer RetroArch build. I never got around to doing the Win98 install process again.
@@crestofhonor2349 nah- it is most definitely matched. A high-end machine can take a high performance oled and push it to crt-level clarity and richness WAY beyond what the last high-end crt ever produced could ever put out. It has been this way for at least the last 5 or more years at a more or less a consumer-level. Check out the CES conventions.
If you want a dedicated retro keyboard that is also well-suited for gaming, you may want to look into the NCR-80. It's a custom keyboard kit so you'll need to buy your own switches and keycaps, but it's very easy to build if you opt for the hotswap PCB. They look and sound just like actual old keyboards (specifically the Cherry G81) but you get a USB-C port and QMK/VIA so you can program them in any way you like.
Thank you for your content, MVG! I know that you were in a tough patch a while ago but I'm always happy to see what you got cooking up in your videos! Great video.
I love that you hooked your Xbox to a CRT monitor for retro gaming. I originally did the same for RetroArch on my computer, got a Dell CRT monitor and a lag-free HDMI to VGA adapter, and now I play all of my games on it, including my Switch XD
Hey great vid, Quick suggestion: youtube compression/quality doesn't seem to like your shades/curtain during the outro, maybe it can be fixed if you do that angle with a shallower focus.
For the keyboard, you could look into getting the USB version of a Unicomp. That company currently owns the original manufacturing, molds and patents for IBM buckling switch keyboards, so they're essentially new Model Ms. I use one for my Windows XP rig.
Oh man this is my jam I’m having a blast recently with 86Box just swapping around hardware and trying out video and sound cards I never had the chance to play with as a kid Even if the selection is super limited and nowhere near close the amount of options you had back in the day it’s still hella fun, had to figure out how to configure a Gravis Ultrasound and while I cheated a little with a guide on the internet telling me which drivers to install I pretty much figured out the IRQ conflict stuff on my own like you would have to back in the day 👌
You can turn on mouse keys to use the numpad as your mouse. I recommend setting it to replace your arrow keys since you don't need the arrows on your numpad anyways.
you need to use an active ps/2 to usb converter. like what Juuul said. im pretty sure you already use an active hdmi to vga adaptor for the display to work, some even have audio routing for sounds to be passed through to speakers. there are combo mouse+keyb active adapter ps/2 to usb that are very cheap online.
Considering all modern consoles are just low-end PCs, using the same parts and architecture, I am not surprised in the slightest, but still, great job 👏 👍 😀 👌
I have been working on my own retroproject. And as fun as it is to have an old windows 98 system and relive those days I went a different approach. And mine was to make everything work directly from under windows 11 and make it all portable. Basically everygame is its own thing, sort of like GOG but tested and curated for them to run the best they can. I have checked around 2500 Titles now and I have scanveged all over the web to find any modified executable or software to make they run as simplified as possible. In may cases I have them even set up to run widescreen and at 4K. Now all I need to do is launch Launchbox and just run the executable and no matter if you are using windows 7,10, or 11 the game will run, this includes anything from old dos text adeventure to latest 2000 titles.
PS/2 to USB "Mouse Connector" is a different pin layout than the keyboard. You need a PS/2 to USB Keyboard converter (typically also purple, not green).
I love the fact you Can do this, the question is Should you do this? And really the only answer is No. It is great we have options available, but really anyone doing this is likely to already have a PC with all the game files etc downloaded on it, so best to just install and play it from there. The other advantage to this is that you can use your pc speakers for sound and the 2nd output (assuming not in use) for the CRT, meaning less hassle setting up an original display as well. Please keep doing these videos though, it's always good seeing what can be achieved.
You still need to emulate an older PC to play a lot of older pc games on a newer machine, so its not really any different whether a person uses a console or a PC for it. You can also use an av receiver or switcher and have both hdmi and vga displays connected at once and use the same sound source for both. The difference between using an xbox series s/x and pc for this sort of thing is negligible.
Shogo MAD ! Such a great game. Still playing it today. I'm just surprised of the gun used in the first stage it doesnt look like anything i've seen in the game and i played a LOT. Awesome video !
Did you try running the emulator at 2x resolution? If your monitor supports 1280x960, you'd still get perfect integer scaling for 640x480, but you'd have more pixels to work with for other resolutions.
Many many games run at a different resolution even under Windows without a means to change them. 640x400 is another very common resolution for example.
Somethin' to note about the HDMI-to-VGA adapters: quite a lot of t hem will crush black levels badly. It's recommended to get a Tendak one (which I own, and also does audio output via 3.5mm jack), or just look online for which ones don't cause black levels to be crushed. Lastly, I think to help with that on a good adapter, the Xbox should have an option to output uncompressed YUV or outright RGB full colourspace.
Excellent overview; maybe i'll dig that Xbox One out from the garage now. I've just now realized that it's been an entire FIVE YEARS since I boxed it up! At the time, I thought I was going to get around to selling it...
6:21 That's why I diversified my tech knowledge... You need to google up design diagrams and CAD for these electronics. They have both support for ground and +5v as well as a few data feed cables. Maybe something went South at the data part.
It's stupid how Microsoft doesn't allow sideloading your own apps on the Xbox, but allow it on PC. They both run the same operating system at this point.
Get an adaptor like a Belkin F5U119-E. I have one from a few years back and it properly converts PS/2 devices to appear as a USB mouse and keyboard. The other adapters rely on the device speaking PS/2 and USB and knowing which port it's attached to.
@modern vintage gamer ... for your ps2 peripherals to work via usb you want a signal "converter" these devices use an integrated circuit to actively translate the ps/2 keyboard signal and convert it into a USB keyboard signal...instead of simply connecting the wires passively..
I think the problem with the keyboard is that the adapter is intended for a mouse (that's why it's green) If you had a keyboard specific adapter it might work or you can get dual ps/2 to usb adapters that do both mouse and keyboard. I could be wrong but that's just a thought.
Just ordered a series s and excited to try dev mode stuff. If you're a verizon wireless customer, they have a special $100 off code you can claim and get the console for $150!
I feel like MVG just posts these fun pet project videos of his and highlights the flaws and hiccups he faced along the way just so he can drum up interest and get them fixed faster lol. Not a bad thing though, I enjoy these homebrew vids, especially on the XSS. Is there anything it CAN’T emulate?
If I remember correctly, back then, when PS/2 Keyboard and Mice that included adapters for USB Connections, they were color coded to the end connector (i.e. a GREEN PS/2 connection would have a matching GREEN USB adapter, Purple for Purple, etc.) Also, may adapters were not "universal", while there were many Generic Brands that included adapters, some bigger Name Brand adapters were not compatible with off-brand devices.
There is an opensource ps/2 and xt converter that uses a raspberry pico, you can build it yourself, i forgot which youtuber showed this off, but you can connect everything from back in the day, controllers for the atari, sega, dreamcast, super nintendo, you name it and it has the connector, and it goes over usb, i saw it a couple of years ago, i don't know if the project went bust or not but i hope you have more luck in finding it than i do!
xbox series s using retroarch who's running dosbox pure who's emulate a win98 who's launching a game..., that is the most crazy loop that i want to see for real. this project sounds definitely awesome
6:00 My experience is that you need a good PS/2 adapter, you might click Num-Lock on off before it works, also connect it and restart the system if not detected unplug and plug it again while playing around with Num-Lock. I have a old Natural-Keyboard where has USB y-cable integrated at the time, with such keyboards it seems more compatible. This was working with PS3 as example, but sometimes not worked at first plug in.
Did you realise that you can get the Xbox to output 480p (640x480) natively? It should produce nicer looking scanlines on the CRT :) You can trigger it from a video mode reset, but there may be other ways (like EDID spoofing) of enabling it in the video options menu in system settings (normally it is hidden and 720p is the lowest mode).
2003: Wow, I can emulate console games on PC.
2023: Wow I can emulate PCs on my console.
Lol so true, best comment right here
2043: Wow, I can emulate both in a web browser on my smartphone*! By the way, what even is a PC?
seriously though, as a rule, you can emulate previous-generation hardware on next-generation one. "The PC" was (and still is) a gaming platform that can be emulated like any other.
*) some emulators are already there
Keeps the hackers away. The last MS console to be jailbreaked was the 360 and even that needs hardware mods.
PC mustard case!
@@CHA0SHACKER "Keeps the hackers away." We can't have microsoft or other big companies go bankrupt because of piracy now.
It's not acceptable if there was any dollar they can't earn.
The adapter you are using for the PS/2 keyboard is almost certainly a passive adapter. That won't work unless the keyboard supports USB. There was a generation of keyboards that supported both PS/2 and USB but had only one of the two connectors and then included an adapter. You need an active PS/2 to USB adapter.
PS/2 was designed to hit the IO controller directly on either the motherboard so its a little different. And yes, those adapters were for keyboards that were PS2 and USB and the adapter would flip it over. You'll need one with its own PS2 to USB microchip
Came here to say this. You need an active PS/2 to USB adapter. The adapter you’re using is a passive one and requires that the keyboard explicitly supports switching between USB and PS/2.
@MVG: Try looking for a beige Y-cable USB to 2xPS/2 adapter with a rectangular plastic box in the middle of the cables. This one used to be very common and inexpensive and has the active logic circuit you need to handle the conversion.
@@ibex485 The problem with those is you can end up with poor n-key rollover performance. For something like this I'd spend a bit more and get a Soarer's PS2-USB adapter.
@@IOwnCalculus Hm I just tested this in chocolate-doom using an old IBM keyboard that I _think_ has NKRO and that beige active Y-cable Ibex mentioned and it definitely did not have NKRO support so that's disappointing but thanks! I didn't know that.
(Edited! I had it the wrong way around at first.)
The simple "green" USB adapters that came with early PS2 keyboards and mice were not actually PS2 to USB converters on a protocol level .... they basically only physically connected the PS2 plug to the USB plug, and left it to the peripheral to detect what kind of port it was plugged into and switch to the correct protocol. If the mouse or keyboard you have does not support that kind of passive adapter, it won't work. Your keyboard will probably work if you use an active adapter.
The support for these adapters actually come from the keyboard, which, if it supports the adapter, is designed to detect if you're using the adapter and switch the protocol it communicates with.
@@VisibleReality Yeah, the keyboard had internal USB and PS2 circuits
@@VisibleReality Oh yeah, you're right. So if you use these adapters with a peripheral that it didn't come with, it would not work.
*This
I actually still use MS Internet / Multimedia keyboards. They're my favorite keyboards of all time. I know I have issues don't judge me! I even have one new in box stashed for the future. You're right he probably needs the Y adapter, those simple adapters often do not work.
True definition of Modern Vintage Gaming. Love this video.
Ha! It really is!
But what if I told you.. I got a Lenovo think centre m58 that I'm gonna upgrade as much as I can and got tiny 11 on it right now and run old games or even newer games
It’s still insane to me that Microsoft are actually allowing and welcoming homebrew into their platforms. If you can’t fight them, join them, I guess.
Keeps the homebrew rout from being used for piracy.
@@Dwarg91 :c
It's to stop people from poking at the OS for vulnerabilities to stop piracy. By allowing homebrew to work they are essentially splitting the homebrew and piracy communities by splitting their motives.
If you can't beat 'em, bribe 'em.
It was a great idea to allow users to segment their hardware and run homebrew in a secure environment. Keeps people happy without opening up the entire platform to hacking /piracy.
Good tip for HDMI>VGA adapters, you want one with a high clock cycle rate, look for Delock adapters, can't quite remember the exact model number but they're a proven good brand and any of them should do for running 1280x720p at 120hz if your monitor can handle that, which an Xbox series whatever should be happy with.
Nvidia cards used to come with one.
@@jpesicka999 The last NVidia card, incidentally, to have true analogue output (via pins on the DVI-D connector) was the Titan X (Maxwell). Not sure on the AMD side of things but my HD7750 still has it, and that can run anything up to COD: Black Ops rather well.
MVG stated that gaming at anything over 640x480 in this config started to cause performance issues.
Main issue with the Delocks is they're often just incredibly buggie ie not waking up from sleep, image artifacts etc.
The main thing that has taken their place in CRT circles for a default suggestion is the Startech DP2VGAHD20 which does 375mhz when it comes to pixel clock. Now this is a DP to VGA adapter and obviously not everyone has DP out. If restricted to HDMI then yea a Delock is probably worth the gamble.
@@nap8187 It depends on the model. Personally I want to grab the 450mhz Delock, my Iiyama can't run at its full capabilities on my Startech or IcyBox. D:
For the the tip you've asked:
You need an active USB to PS2 adapter to reuse your old PS2 keyboards and mice.
It's better to get the 2-in-1 Keyboard and Mouse to USB adapters as they're most definitively active converters.
Dude I'm actually really impressed to see Windows 98 running on an Xbox series s quite indeed impressive. Just Imagine playing half life,Quake and unreal those kind of games that I used to play a lot during the Windows 98 days. Neat.
The S seems to me to be quite the robust and flexible platform. I'm beginning to wonder what other dark tech wizardry is possible with it.
"Support" is limited to the programs ported to the device, not the device itself. Anything that is written for UWP is "Supported"
I’ve had a similar vibe using my Steam Deck in Desktop mode while docked. After using Windows 8.1 and later 10 for the past 8 years, using the Deck’s comparatively simple Linux desktop with a basic keyboard, mouse, and external monitor setup kinda brought me back to that Windows 98/XP feeling. Certainly helps that the Discover application has 3D Space Pinball, Sonic Robo Blast 2, and tons of other freeware 😅
I use Arch Linux (SteamOS 3's upstream) in more or less a similar configuration to desktop mode. It just feels like home, in a similar way Windows felt on the desktop right until 10.
the best part of all this is it shows just how much BETTER things can get when you give an easy no-hassle way of flip flopping a console between regular and dev mode. It's Microsoft generating a ton of good will by going 'Here, this thing we made. We would like you to play with it.'
No Mod Chips. no Hassle. No real way to use it for Piracy. The fact dev mode is this easy to unlock disencentivizes development on ways to break in for the sake OF piracy to boot. Like... I see a lot of people just staring at mod chip makers like 'why the hell would I buy your product?' So this not only shrinks the number of people who want to develop a workaround but also the potential customer pool.
The fact that you turned it into a retro PC is just the cherry on top.
I don't know if it's brought up very often, but I love the synthwave music you use. So, so nice.
I'm blown away that this level of emulation works on a system so locked down..
Xbox isn't really locked down at all. You can pay $19 for the keys and boot straight into Developer mode. The console becomes a sandbox at that point.
A custom "old PC style" panel front would be great ! With fake CDrom and 3 1/2 disk drive, all printed on a high quality adhesive sheet !
It would be cool, but if he's going this far, it would be easier to just play in a native old PC anyway haha.
MVG = best Series S content by far.
Digital Foundry doing Series S vs. One X and PS4 Pro comparisons a runner up.
Interstate 76 is an absolute cinematic journey. Such a cool experience!
Indeed. Paired up with the Sidewinder Force-Feedback Joystick, you can really feel them tugging and grip loss in the tires while driving and the rather forceful but realistic recoil from weapons. One of my favorites paired with that joystick.
A modded Xbox Series S is what makes that console worth buying, because the vast potential of playing old Windows games and even Nintendo GameCube games is what makes it a good value. Especially there’s been a surplus of Xbox Series S consoles since it lacks exclusive games! My friend Robert, has said that modding the console makes it way more playable than the stock mode!
There's no need to mod the console.
All this stuff runs out of the box without modding it.
@@beezle1976 only some stuff works in dev mode, but you can’t run lot of emulators and applications without a mod. Especially you can’t run old Windows 98 CD ROM games on the console without a disk drive, I want to be able to run an external CD drive, that would run lot of old software on the console!
Man that windows 98 setup screen is so nostalgic. Love your choice of 90s games too
I did this a while ago as well. I have a few retro pcs so it was just for fun, but I agree that its a fun project.
I did the same thing for AmigaOS using the UAE core in retroarch. Equally good fun.
Given that I have it set up already it's not something I need, but it'd make a cool video if you have the inclination. Perhaps you could showcase some software that takes advantage of the sorts of specs an emulated Amiga can offer. I dont think many people are aware that an Amiga can be a completely different league than something like a 16 bit console (which appears to be the assumption by most who are only familiar with unexpanded a500's, etc.) and in fact more in line with the 1st gen of 32bit consoles.
I think a video like that could be interesting to a lot of people.
You need an active adapter. Those PS/2 -> USB adapters you show in your video are passive and expect the mouse/keyboard to "talk USB" on its own.
Find a adapter that has one USB and 2 PS/2 ports - you can then connect both mouse and keyboard and occupy just one USB port and by nature, such adapters must be active ones.
The second this video popped up on my feed, I laughed and thought: "only MVG would make a video like this"
Great video! I enjoy how much mileage you're getting out of the Series S!
Bringing the vintage into the modern. I love it!
Filled "MV gamer" mode
Yup, that's a Modern Vintage Gamer!
Dude, you’re a genius.
This isn't new btw.
Been doing this since series s launched and on my switch
People who made those emulators, whole OS, Xbox Series consoles, Direct X are the ones who are geniuses. Most people can follow the guide to do these things.
Not discrediting mvg, he himself was a contributor to the earlier versions of Kodi.
I managed to get Win98 installed last year on an older retroarch build on my Series S, which was great!
I then didn’t know how to carry the Win98 install over to a newer RetroArch build. I never got around to doing the Win98 install process again.
Those two games that has the biggest impact on me are MDK and Interstate ’76 🤩
I still love CRT TV and Monitors.
I still use one with modern games since many of them still support 4:3 and the motion clarity is still unmatched. Playing at 1600x1200 looks so nice
@@crestofhonor2349 nah- it is most definitely matched. A high-end machine can take a high performance oled and push it to crt-level clarity and richness WAY beyond what the last high-end crt ever produced could ever put out.
It has been this way for at least the last 5 or more years at a more or less a consumer-level. Check out the CES conventions.
For somebody who uses Xbox Live, you could try to connect the chatpad accessory onto the controller, and map the onscreen keyboard onto the chatpad.
11:15 - There's something very weird about seeing the Win98 desktop, and the Xbox guide popping up over it lol
If you want a dedicated retro keyboard that is also well-suited for gaming, you may want to look into the NCR-80. It's a custom keyboard kit so you'll need to buy your own switches and keycaps, but it's very easy to build if you opt for the hotswap PCB. They look and sound just like actual old keyboards (specifically the Cherry G81) but you get a USB-C port and QMK/VIA so you can program them in any way you like.
Videos like this are really cool. It really sets your channel apart from others. Doing cool stuff with Tech in ways not originally intended.
Stand-alone UWP DosBox + Mouse support = bomb 💣
@Retro Game Elements It isn't ported to Xbox.
Thank you for your content, MVG! I know that you were in a tough patch a while ago but I'm always happy to see what you got cooking up in your videos! Great video.
I love that you hooked your Xbox to a CRT monitor for retro gaming. I originally did the same for RetroArch on my computer, got a Dell CRT monitor and a lag-free HDMI to VGA adapter, and now I play all of my games on it, including my Switch XD
VooDoo 1 cards were 4MB, interesting that it allowed 12MB configuration. Sweet video though. Would of never thought id see 98 in a console
Didn't the Dreamcast run on a heavily modified ver of win98?
@@beemz8841 Hmmm, not from my old memory..I wouldnt of thought so with the ARM CPU it had..
4MB was typical, 6MB, 8MB and 12MB cards existed tho.
@@beemz8841Windows CE, not 98. That was the Windows for embedded architectures like ARM and SH-1. Dreamcast used the latter.
@@RetroSwimVoodoo 2 was 8 and 12. Never saw higher V1s, but there you go :)
Hey great vid, Quick suggestion: youtube compression/quality doesn't seem to like your shades/curtain during the outro, maybe it can be fixed if you do that angle with a shallower focus.
For the keyboard, you could look into getting the USB version of a Unicomp. That company currently owns the original manufacturing, molds and patents for IBM buckling switch keyboards, so they're essentially new Model Ms. I use one for my Windows XP rig.
I’d imagine mouse support will not take long now this video has been published 😅
Thats really neat actually. No need to hunt for components and good perfomance.
Oh man this is my jam
I’m having a blast recently with 86Box just swapping around hardware and trying out video and sound cards I never had the chance to play with as a kid
Even if the selection is super limited and nowhere near close the amount of options you had back in the day it’s still hella fun, had to figure out how to configure a Gravis Ultrasound and while I cheated a little with a guide on the internet telling me which drivers to install I pretty much figured out the IRQ conflict stuff on my own like you would have to back in the day 👌
Looks cool, now I can run Mugen for DOS in this DosBox Pure emulator. Also it has support for MPU401 emulation for Roland MT32, this is awesome
You can turn on mouse keys to use the numpad as your mouse. I recommend setting it to replace your arrow keys since you don't need the arrows on your numpad anyways.
The irony of installing a Win98 version on 64 GB partition on SSD is just wild!
2023:we will have flying cars
2023:let's run win98
Just when you thought there was nothing left to discover in gaming.. MVG bring the heat.
you need to use an active ps/2 to usb converter. like what Juuul said. im pretty sure you already use an active hdmi to vga adaptor for the display to work, some even have audio routing for sounds to be passed through to speakers. there are combo mouse+keyb active adapter ps/2 to usb that are very cheap online.
I would love to see some performance benchmarks on some of these games
Almost felt like this was an early April Fools video. Nice work but I guess getting sound and mouse support are the next steps for proper mileage.
Considering all modern consoles are just low-end PCs, using the same parts and architecture, I am not surprised in the slightest, but still, great job 👏 👍 😀 👌
Xbox is very versatile! Incredible
I remember using my Nuphy Air 75, back in the nineties myself.
I have been working on my own retroproject.
And as fun as it is to have an old windows 98 system and relive those days I went a different approach.
And mine was to make everything work directly from under windows 11 and make it all portable.
Basically everygame is its own thing, sort of like GOG but tested and curated for them to run the best they can.
I have checked around 2500 Titles now and I have scanveged all over the web to find any modified executable or software to make they run as simplified as possible. In may cases I have them even set up to run widescreen and at 4K.
Now all I need to do is launch Launchbox and just run the executable and no matter if you are using windows 7,10, or 11 the game will run, this includes anything from old dos text adeventure to latest 2000 titles.
You were so preoccupied wondering if you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should.
PS/2 to USB "Mouse Connector" is a different pin layout than the keyboard. You need a PS/2 to USB Keyboard converter (typically also purple, not green).
I love the fact you Can do this, the question is Should you do this? And really the only answer is No. It is great we have options available, but really anyone doing this is likely to already have a PC with all the game files etc downloaded on it, so best to just install and play it from there. The other advantage to this is that you can use your pc speakers for sound and the 2nd output (assuming not in use) for the CRT, meaning less hassle setting up an original display as well. Please keep doing these videos though, it's always good seeing what can be achieved.
You still need to emulate an older PC to play a lot of older pc games on a newer machine, so its not really any different whether a person uses a console or a PC for it.
You can also use an av receiver or switcher and have both hdmi and vga displays connected at once and use the same sound source for both.
The difference between using an xbox series s/x and pc for this sort of thing is negligible.
Shogo MAD ! Such a great game. Still playing it today. I'm just surprised of the gun used in the first stage it doesnt look like anything i've seen in the game and i played a LOT.
Awesome video !
MDK and Phantasmagoria! Brings back so many memories!
I had Windows 95 running on my iPhone 4. It was slow, but it worked, although no network/Internet.
You can get an audio extractor that runs in line for hdmi cables. I bought one from jaycar a few years back.
Seeing that MDK footage made my heart sing!
Did you try running the emulator at 2x resolution? If your monitor supports 1280x960, you'd still get perfect integer scaling for 640x480, but you'd have more pixels to work with for other resolutions.
Many many games run at a different resolution even under Windows without a means to change them. 640x400 is another very common resolution for example.
Somethin' to note about the HDMI-to-VGA adapters: quite a lot of t hem will crush black levels badly. It's recommended to get a Tendak one (which I own, and also does audio output via 3.5mm jack), or just look online for which ones don't cause black levels to be crushed. Lastly, I think to help with that on a good adapter, the Xbox should have an option to output uncompressed YUV or outright RGB full colourspace.
Loved Interstate 76! Wish they'd bring it back.
How damn nostalgic... I remember being 18 when these games came out.
I just wish they’d change it to where you don’t have to manually uncheck the “delete everything” box every time you turn off dev mode
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
Kudos, that XBox is a jack of all trades.
Excellent overview; maybe i'll dig that Xbox One out from the garage now.
I've just now realized that it's been an entire FIVE YEARS since I boxed it up! At the time, I thought I was going to get around to selling it...
This is ridiculously convoluted and It's terrific.
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That's why I diversified my tech knowledge...
You need to google up design diagrams and CAD for these electronics.
They have both support for ground and +5v as well as a few data feed cables. Maybe something went South at the data part.
When is Microsoft going to get with the times and offer windows mode on Xbox? Great stuff MVG love your work keep up the great videos, you rock bro!
It's stupid how Microsoft doesn't allow sideloading your own apps on the Xbox, but allow it on PC. They both run the same operating system at this point.
The new xbox is becoming the OG xbox for eumulation. I miss the old days as I was in the scene back in the day.
Get an adaptor like a Belkin F5U119-E. I have one from a few years back and it properly converts PS/2 devices to appear as a USB mouse and keyboard. The other adapters rely on the device speaking PS/2 and USB and knowing which port it's attached to.
@modern vintage gamer ... for your ps2 peripherals to work via usb you want a signal "converter" these devices use an integrated circuit to actively translate the ps/2 keyboard signal and convert it into a USB keyboard signal...instead of simply connecting the wires passively..
6:17 you need an active ps2 mouse/kb adapter. Those only work with ps2 supported hw.
I think the problem with the keyboard is that the adapter is intended for a mouse (that's why it's green) If you had a keyboard specific adapter it might work or you can get dual ps/2 to usb adapters that do both mouse and keyboard. I could be wrong but that's just a thought.
i noted this issue as well, had to deal with it on my TOOL ,so id imagine it's near to the same issue. Get a Keyboard (Purple Adapter) & try it?
I did something similar-ish, I had a MEGADRIVE and AMIGA in a PC Tower, the 3rd Disk Drive Slot housed the MD Carts.
Just ordered a series s and excited to try dev mode stuff. If you're a verizon wireless customer, they have a special $100 off code you can claim and get the console for $150!
I feel like MVG just posts these fun pet project videos of his and highlights the flaws and hiccups he faced along the way just so he can drum up interest and get them fixed faster lol.
Not a bad thing though, I enjoy these homebrew vids, especially on the XSS. Is there anything it CAN’T emulate?
If I remember correctly, back then, when PS/2 Keyboard and Mice that included adapters for USB Connections, they were color coded to the end connector (i.e. a GREEN PS/2 connection would have a matching GREEN USB adapter, Purple for Purple, etc.) Also, may adapters were not "universal", while there were many Generic Brands that included adapters, some bigger Name Brand adapters were not compatible with off-brand devices.
3:00 Dungeon Keeper ❤️❤️❤️❤️
MDK!!! That game was WAY ahead of its time!
This is WILD. Can't believe how well it functions. Brilliant project.
What is the model of the modern keyboard used in the project? It's neat.
I saw Dungeon Keeper and almost cried. Thank you for showing the best game ever running on this
Couldn’t agree more!! The 90’s was PEAK PC gaming, so many good games and so many fond memories
Wonder if you could duel-boot for different os's for different era consoles, would be awesome.
Assuming The Pure fork works like official release I use, all you would have to do is switch what "disk image" you want DosBox to boot.
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz Thanks for the info, I haven't used DOSBOX Pure, only DOSBOX itself for CMD emulation so I will definitely have to check that out.
@@bluewinterwolf np. Yeah even just DosBox is fun to use.
Neat little project. I love seeing geeky stuff like this. They defiantly need to add mouse support as that would ruin the whole experience for me.
There is an opensource ps/2 and xt converter that uses a raspberry pico, you can build it yourself, i forgot which youtuber showed this off, but you can connect everything from back in the day, controllers for the atari, sega, dreamcast, super nintendo, you name it and it has the connector, and it goes over usb, i saw it a couple of years ago, i don't know if the project went bust or not but i hope you have more luck in finding it than i do!
About HDMI to VGA adapters, if you want to be sure that it will work, you should buy an active adapter instead of a passive one.
My first PC was one with Win 98 so yeah, I'm pretty happy to know it's possible to know that something like this is possible, I'm gonna try this soon.
Would love a 90s pc style handheld. LOL DOSBox - Prue is AMAZING!
Flying toasters? On YOUR Xbox? It’s more likely than you think!
Heheh, good gosh I hope Nightdive blesses us with the return of MDK ❤️❤️
xbox series s using retroarch who's running dosbox pure who's emulate a win98 who's launching a game..., that is the most crazy loop that i want to see for real. this project sounds definitely awesome
Impressive by its own but the extra mile 3dfx. I'm speechless.
MVG’s voice is better than any ASMR. Change my mind
6:00 My experience is that you need a good PS/2 adapter, you might click Num-Lock on off before it works, also connect it and restart the system if not detected unplug and plug it again while playing around with Num-Lock. I have a old Natural-Keyboard where has USB y-cable integrated at the time, with such keyboards it seems more compatible. This was working with PS3 as example, but sometimes not worked at first plug in.
No one lives forever, one of my very first PC games I ever bought!
absolute mad lad. This looks great!
I brought a Wyse Vx0 for use as a Windows 98 machine, and it works well
Did you realise that you can get the Xbox to output 480p (640x480) natively? It should produce nicer looking scanlines on the CRT :)
You can trigger it from a video mode reset, but there may be other ways (like EDID spoofing) of enabling it in the video options menu in system settings (normally it is hidden and 720p is the lowest mode).
This is some incredible Inception type sorcery going on here.