Finally - I got my hands on a MiSTer FPGA Retro Gaming Setup | MVG
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- After years of holding out, I finally got my hands on a complete MiSTer FPGA setup complete with Jammix IO add on board and ITX Case. Is FPGA retro gaming really any better than software emulation? And how much will it cost you? In this episode we answer these questions and more as we deep dive into the world of FPGA retro gaming with MiSTer
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I'll admit im a total n00b when it comes to the MiSTer Project and FPGA, so if i missed anything or made an error somewhere please let me know. Have a great week!
Hi MVG, hope you will cover the zelda oot pc port soon when its finished
You have done the community proud :)
Ok bro
Do a video on raspberry pi gaming
I think you've done a good job ! There's a wide variety of expansion boards and console-like cases. I went for a Multisystem from RMC The Cave and absolutely love it !
I'm glad you enjoyed it! There are a few things you didn't cover that I think are noteworthy:
1. Dual output. You can run the analog and HDMI output simultaneously. My main setup has both a PVM and 4K TV, so it's convenient.
2. The 2P Gameboy cores. Being able to have a 1-on-1 in Gameboy Tetris or GBA Puyo Puyo this easily is great fun. Continuing on from #1, you can even set it to have one screen on analog output and the other on HDMI.
3. User IO. This is a massively important feature for me personally, because this combined with analog output allows me to use actual light guns for light gun games. Long story short, with the right adapters you can essentially plug a real NES zapper into the virtual NES core, hook it up to a CRT, and play Duck Hunt just like on a real NES. Of course you can use it with original controllers as well, but c'mon real light guns. Some computer cores let you use this port for MIDI and UART as well.
But yeah, my MiSTer will be a mainstay in my bag when I have game nights at my girlfriend's place.
great info, thank you - ill follow up with a future video when more cores become available
Simultaneous analog/ digital dual output, NICE! I thought I saw $3,000 on the screen at the beginning and thought "Figures given all that needs to be done. I'll wait 5 years and check back" but $500 is a great deal for what you get IMO. I would buy one now if I still had my collection of retro hardware (controllers and adapters)
Edit: Analog input too! Light gun games? I'm very interested.
@@ModernVintageGamer PLEASE do! 😃😃😃😃😃😃
your profile picture is cringe
" my girlfriend's place"
L O L
The picture quality of the output image and screen recording is amazing.
Admittedly the costs are inflated somewhat at the moment but even the top end cost equates to roughly to a Super NT and Mega SG combined. The value proposition for FPGA based equivalents is weighted so heavily towards the Mister 👌
If you can even find an Analogue console for sale. They do very limited runs of production
I found the MiSTer when I was looking at the Vampire for my Amiga,did the value proposition and bought a MiSTer setup. Has been awesome since.
@@CotyCondry That's a problem that's made its way to the MISTer scene now too as MVG alludes to. I nearly pulled the trigger on one last year and wish I had now as the whole setup could be had for about £300. Ironically, I managed to get both a SNT and MSG relatively easily without getting hosed.
@@sheep83 Hopefully it eases as chip shortages etc sort themselves out 🙏🏾
@@sheep83 Mister was easy to find until pretty much ever big tech tuber did a video on it in 2021, even just 6-8 months ago you could grab a DE-10 for under $200. I'm not complaining about this awesome project going more mainstream but that comes at the cost of it joining the scalp it or don't buy it club.
It's sad this is getting so expensive. When I set mine up it was $140 for the board, 30 for the ram, and a $10 USB OTG hub. It runs all the cores and has perfect HDMI output. $700 is a super enthusiast build for sure but 300 for the base system is really a symptom for the chip storage.
This is what happens when you build a product around a loss leader hardware evaluation\learning board. They aren't meant for release projects and mass sales because they cause intel to lose money and intel will supply the cyclone V to profitable boards first. I have about 9 of those cyclone V's and I'm working on building a all in one unit that uses that FPGA BGA, adding a SDRAM slot on board, and all requisite outputs. So you don't need a de10-nano but just the chips and solder them on luckily the chips are somewhat more in stock albeit a little more expensive for the single part.
I bought the De10 Nano for only $100 USD back when the MiSTer project started about 3 years ago. The add-on RAM module was about $40 and the I/O board was about $50. So I was all in for under $200 back then, and I thought THAT was a lot! Today’s prices are insane.
The project has come so far in that time. Way back when, there was only a small handful of arcade cores, and you had to recompile your own cores from the individual roms for each game back then.
You got a deal. The DE10 was $130 on Amazon when I bought in late 2018.
@@flow221 I did! I just went back in my emails to see what the exact price was, and it was $110 from Arrow. I'd love to buy 10 at that price now!
This is some really impressive tech. It's truly amazing to see a hardware recreation like this that is so robust.
Damn, I'm glad I purchased two of them about 2 years ago when they were available for regular price. I agree with everything said. The Mister is pretty much my goto gaming device. Use it with a 27 inch Sony Wega and the results are amazing.
Hey MVG - I remember your X68000 video where you hooked it up to a Roland MT32. Well, you can do the same with the mt32pi project - an addon for the MiSTer which uses a Raspberry Pi 3 to emulate a Roland MT32 and a Roland Soundcanvas and connects up using a single cable. It's supported in the AO486 and X68000 cores (as well as a few others). One of the best addons I've purchased. Also regarding cases and coolers - Mister Addon's makes a passive aluminium heatsink case that looks really supreme. It works in the same fashion as the FLIRC case for the Raspberry Pi. Mister Addon's case is highly sought after. We are seeing lots of cases come out now, and they are all awesome. Welcome to the world of MiSTer!
i really dig your arcade cabinet. you have inspired me. Im setting a goal to have an FPGA Arcade cab in the living room by the end of the year. Wish me luck.
Glad you enjoyed the MiSTer. One big selling point for me was being able to do all this without the need for scalers, deinterlacers, or expensive console mods. HDMI just works with everything.
Mine is the 'board stack' with the analog board on top and the USB board underneath, costed about $450 two or three years ago. I enjoy playing around with it quite a bit, even built my own USB arcade controller with sanwa stick and buttons for when I play arcade cores.
I've had a MiSTer FPGA since early 2019. No regrets. It's the gift that keeps giving.
The MiSTer is endlessly fascinating!
The good thing is that the game files can be kept on a USB drive separate to the MiSTer SD card. This will help with keeping the SD card for the arm-linux underpinnings, the cores and bios files with the rest on a USB drive. You could put it all on a huge SD card but those can be pretty expensive with an external USB drive - even 2.5" SSDs in a USB enclosure being a financial sound solution for access to large libraries of games.
So glad to see this covered here! This project has looked *hugely* promising for a while now, I'm so happy to see it growing like this and that it actually seems to live up to its promise!
I love the idea that this is another way to preserve information about how the old computers and consoles worked. Of course, the same goes for software emulators. It's just great when technicians can use the source code from MAME, for example, to repair old PCBs.
Really great breakdown of the project and where its headed. Thank you for making this video!!!
"hey mister" props to who gets this reference...
Here we are 7 months later and Saturn development on the MiSTer has come a long way. Tons of compatible games running perfectly!
Emulation has come a long way but the MiSTer has impressed me more than most emulation has.
Sit an average member of the public in-front of a Mister, or a Pi 4 running Retropie, and they wouldn't know the difference. Tell them the price difference, and then they'll know - they'll buy a Pi.
@@mrkirk4944 True but if you are a retro enthusiast you would want this over any emulation device. MiSTer isn't for everyone, you definitely do notice the input lag on emulation vs fpga.
@@mrkirk4944 not even an "expert" could tell the difference
@@mrkirk4944 The Pi runs like a rusty POS.
Uh, nice touch, the Amiga Pinball Illusions music at the beginning 😁
I have 2 MiSTers - it's a fantastic project. Nice video.
Once the Saturn core lands I am all over this thing.
better order a de-10 now, you might get it in 6-12 months. The global shortage on electronics is causing all kinds of issues, especially with prices constantly going up on the de10.
They already got Radiant Slivergun running with some minor sound glitches.
Robert P is also developing a Nintendo 64 core for the MiSTer, never thought we'd see N64 on MiSTer, wow just wow
mondays are good because MVG releases videos when im close to my work's launch break
Everyone always says it's hardware emulation, but never really explains what that means. An FPGA (field programmable gate array) is programmable hardware that can function as any type of digital circuit as long as it has enough logic elements to accommodate the design of that system.
Compared to something like MAME, there is no operating system or emulation software, the game actually runs directly on the simulated hardware circuit. Even though I use the word 'simulated', an FPGA is hardware in every sense of the word, it just happens to be highly configurable so that the hardware can behave in different ways instead of being hard-wired to do one specific thing.
Now the DE10-Nano's main chip has two components to it, the FPGA and a separate ARM-based CPU. The ARM-based CPU runs a very minimal copy of Linux which is used for a few simple tasks like reading joystick inputs over USB. From there, those inputs are forwarded straight into the FPGA's hardware circuit where the game actually runs.
That does mean you get both the good and the bad of running in hardware though:
1) Keeping in mind that the core running on the FPGA is just a hardware circuit, it's not like an ARM CPU running a software emulator where it might struggle to keep up with the emulation. An accurate core will run at the same speed as the original hardware, but that also means that a game which lagged on original hardware will also lag on the MiSTer.
2) Because it's just a hardware circuit, it's very hard to capture the full state of the entire system, which is something that is easy to do with software emulation (where the entire state is stored in memory). So more often than not you can't get save-state functionality on the MiSTer unless it's been baked into the core at a hardware level.
3) Many cartridge-based consoles will save progress by writing data to some memory location on the cartridge which is kept alive using a battery. Since there is no equivalent battery and many cores can't identify that such a memory write has occurred, you usually need to manually save using the MiSTer menu to dump that memory out to a file. Not a big deal, but it is an annoyance worth mentioning.
Finally, keep in mind it's still emulating a complex piece of hardware, the key difference is that you're emulating hardware using hardware, instead of emulating hardware using software. The quality of the experience still comes down to the skill of the developer and maturity of the core.
I own a mister but I can't bring myself to use it often because of the lack of savestates in a lot of cores.
Old school game design has too many cheap deaths and not enough checkpoints. I'm an adult with limited free time and I use savestates to play retro games without them wasting my time
waaaah
You guys really can't let people enjoy things. huh
Save states are not a priority in cores as the MiSTer project is all about preservation of original hardware. If there is a hardware option like an action replay cart, then those are implemented. Just adding save states for the sake of it wont be something that will happen anytime soon on the cores.
Exactly my problem, too. And I'm too old, games I used to have no problem with in the eighties suck me up and spit me out quite regularly now, even on a CRT....
@@ZaPpaul
it depends on how the core was developed. several already have save states
This is a pretty good surface level look at what the MiSTer is.
I find the MiSTer is less complicated than Raspberry Pi Retro Gaming and is closer to setting up a Flash Cart in many respects.
Jepp definitely easier to setup properly, however also more limited in its arcade rom selection, however when it comes to old consoles and home computers it beats any software setup by miles. Some systems like the old Atari 8 bit computers which the mister can handle really well, have had a bitrotting unmaintained state now for ages on the software side.
Very cool! FPGA tech is extremely interesting wherever it is applicable. I'm waiting for delivery a of syntheizer I preordered that implements it, so cool to see it being applied in the gaming scene too.
I love my MiSTer! It’s provided me with so much fun over the last year and the development and community keeps getting better.
That Pinball table at 11:43 I'm getting real appleseed vibes.
Projects like this are just amazing. Its good to know in the future people will still be able to not only play all these games, they will be able to do it easily and in comfort.
I can't wait to get the MiSTercade for my Aero City cab. I just got the cab and restored it so using a Pi2JAMMA but the MiSTercade is what I want!
Their is something soo cool about the engineering and tinkering going on here
boy were u wrong :D mister user since day one here. a word about latancy would have been nice as that is what gives the real feel on a crt with this beauty. latency is for me reason nr. 1 to go fpga. anyways: awesome that you covered it finally and you rock. greetz from germany.
Using the Mister for 3 years now, its worth every fucking penny!!!!
Nice video. Note though that some of the cores shown require a Patreon Subscription. A few cores also cheat and uses the Arm Processor for emulation, and not an actual FPGA core.
none of the main cores use the arm processor to work but ScummVM does which nobody gives a crap about. the patreon stuff is to beable to play the betas or just show support to some of theses guys making cores . its all free people just have to wait it out befor the core maker thinks its done
FPGA or Field Programming Gate Array...That's one of term that is relatively new in emulation scene. Basically, FPGA is a hardware that allows programmer to fully emulate the machine at hardware level by "shapeshifting" the CPU architecture into desired ones.
When I saw DoDonPachi I wished I could upvote twice, and fact that the footage is followed up by Metal Slug is just icing on the cake.
O own a MiSTer for a couple of years. It was in no way expensive as it is now. I wanted it as a good Amiga emulator and I had been glancing on the MiST project this is based on.
I own a good vintage computer collection, but space is scarce and vintage hardware is prone to break, often with unobtainable components.
After setting up my MiSTer, I was amazed on how many systems it could emulate.
In fact this is one of the drawbacks: after owning a MiSTer, there is not much point in getting further vintage hardware! So, you lose the fun in browsing eBay for good deals to increase the collection.
Being a Commodore fan, I must say that I prefer BMC64 to MiSTer for C64 emulation and it supports all other 8 bit CBM computers.
For emulating the Amiga, I think the better option is PI400 with the bare metal Amiga emulator. Don't recall the name, but you can find fully configured images.
But yes, MiSTer is a cool piece of HW and I often leave some arcade emulation running on the background when on inline meetings. It's a cool conversation starter...
Got mine from Neal from RMC's project, the Multisystem, and while I was looking forward to it mostly for the analog output to a PC monitor, but the accuracy makes playing these games FEEL great to play as well. Highly recommend grabbing a SNAC adapter for your favorite console, the difference between that and an 8bitdo controller running in wired mode blew me away. It's hard to describe, and the money isn't RPi cheap, but it's really worth it.
one thing you left out is that you don't need a "complete" mister setup to get the most out of it. Just a de-10 nano, an otg usb hub, a fan, and a 32mb ram expansion, will cover the vast majority of what the mister has to offer.
I took an electrical engineering course once and had to work with electronic schematics, making our own, and soldering from them etc. I cannot imagine deconstructing a console board onto one of those schematics oh god.
Okay, the whole output to CRT thing is the best thing about this. The price is almost what it would cost to built a small form factor mini PC with an IGPU, which could easily handle every CRT console except maybe Wii, PS2, and GC, as well as letting you play low-spec PC games. Still, this at least has a reason to exist, unlike RetroPIE/RetroArch which just slowly runs a buggy ARM port of a PC emulator.
It may be worth note that the price is an absolute song compared to tracking down (and possibly refurbishing/repairing) original hardware, as well as being much easier. And given that what is being emulated is the hardware, that may be the more fair comparison.
Seeing how one little box worth like 700 bucks can replace all the arcade cabinets, home computers, and even create entirely new cores, this is a mighty cheap and space saving option for any retrogamer. Buying the "original hardware" is always a tricky business, with death batteries and other tricky stuff in the mix, like chips that are impossible or expensive to replace if they should fail.
Thanks! I was waiting for that :D
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If anyone out there is wondering about that Castlevania game in this video…it’s Castlevania Chronicles for PlayStation 1
Sounds like MVG isn't giving MISTer back. Cool project. The best projects are group labors of love.
Hey MVG, It's been a while that you have done a room tour, It would be fun to watch an updated review of your own collection now that your mention the Mister and what you think about your setup/consoles. Thanks for the uploads :)
The points about price are exactly what have kept me away from the MiSTer project this far, it’s just simply far too expensive right now.
The old Atari 2600 was $1000 in today's money. Gaming has never been cheaper.
@@mick8473 I always thought this was a bit of a silly argument. Reads too "back in my day" for my tastes.
VCRs and DVD players used to cost 10x more what they do now, especially when the technology was new. I don't think that necessarily means that everyone should be buying one at that price. Similarly, just because inflation makes older consoles worth more of that time's money, I don't think that means everyone should buy an Atari 2600 for $1000 in 2022, even if it was brand new, unless someone thought it was worth that price.
The de-10 is unfortunately going up in price, not down. It could be a decade before the price gets more accessible.
@@mick8473 Yeah, that is how inflation works alright... The US dollar was in fact stronger in 1977. Beyond that however, the 2600 was a bit of an outlier given that it was among the first home consoles. The NES for example was $180 at launch in 1986(US launch) which would be about $455 today. The SNES was $199 and about $405 today, PS1 was $299 and about $545 today, GameCube was $199 and about $315 today, and so on. So gamings price of yesteryear is really not all that different from today with regards to consoles when adjusted for inflation. It has always had its peaks and valleys with regards to cost of entry.
Oh, and adjusted for inflation the Atari 2600 would be roughly $870 in todays money, not $1000. That being said, when adjusted the PS3 launch price of $499 (which is a Series X or PS5 today) would be around $700 today… Don’t worry though, give it a few years and you’ll be able to say that adjusted for inflation it too is $1000!..
@@linearlink My friend in the UK done the calculation and was shocked the sacrifice his parents made. I was actually being conservative. he checked the current rental income of his parents old house, his parents sacrificed one month's rent for the Atari. $1250 today. I rounded it down as I was aware the inflation calculator that had it at $800. The PS1 I purchased was 2/3 a months rent. On the same house today that is $800+ . If I was to buy a PS5 it would be 1/3 a months rent.
Lucky..... I've got the components on order.... currently taking bets on whether they or my Analogue Pocket ships first.
love that case you have , also ill hop on board when there is a cave SH3 core.
I tried the MiSTer next to some software emulators as well.
To be very honest, if I am just focusing on playing the game and having fun, I don't really see any major differences.
If you just hyper focus on the details, you will notice a few here and there.
There are definitely some exceptions here and there.
In the end I think it's more a feel thing than anything as well as the ease of use.
It also really depends what you're looking for and what kind of things you're emulating.
Upscaling up to 4k with plenty of anti-aliasing is just never gonna happen obviously.
Btw, the term "emulation" here is getting EXTREMELY blurry.
Most ASICs these days (and also back then) are actually first being made on a FPGA (I used to work at a couple of companies doing that).
Depending on production scale this sometimes is being translated to an ASIC.
Which is often cheaper, but you will loose the option to (completely) change the design.
If the quantities are very limited one can choose for just leaving it on a FPGA.
The reason why I am mentioning this, is because in many cases a FPGA = the actual design.
With this I mean as in really the REAL design. Or in other words, there is no emulation going on anymore.
The only reason why one could still use the term emulation, is because it's often hard to backward engineer the 100% original design.
Although that could also happen with a clone chip (or copy)
Yes, it's true that FPGAs have the potential to do a 100% accurate hardware "clone" of the original console/computer.
But, we're not quite there yet. Work hasn't really begun on doing full verification of the better cores against the original chips. ie. using Logic Analyzers etc., or putting each original chip on a board hooked up to the FPGA, and comparing the differences on a clock-by-clock basis.
Personally, I try to avoid using the term "emulation" when talking about FPGA cores, simply due to the confusion it causes vs "software emulation".
While both approaches have very similar goals and challenges, and each has advantages and disadvantages, I just love using MiSTer because it packages everything together, and just "feels" different to use than any software emu I've tried.
Maybe some of that is placebo, I don't know. lol
But it really is something that needs to be tried before people "get it".
Most of the detractors of MiSTer (and FPGA cores in general) are people who have never sat down and played on games on MiSTer for a few weeks.
Even MVG said he felt the same way until he tried it.
And that's not to diss software emulators either. I love those, too, and still use them a lot.
But MiSTer has basically replaced a lot of my OG console collection now. It's just far more convenient.
...and that's also not to say that people *need* to play on FPGA cores to enjoy the games, ofc.
Software emulators are pretty amazing now, too. We're now seeing emulators for PS3, Xbox 360, and beyond.
For me, the FPGA stuff is just as much about enjoying the games (and tinkering) as it is about preservation.
It's the closest we have atm for working towards truly preserving the logic of the original hardware.
*most* (but not all) software emulators use high-level emulation. There are a few (like CEN64) which aim to do low-level emulation which more closely resembles how the original console worked.
And FPGA core could more accuratly be described as "low-level emulation, in hardware".
Or maybe "hardware re-implementation", which doesn't suggest it's immediately more accurate.
But yep, 100% cycle-accuracy is the eventually aim for FPGA cores.
The Neo Geo core is likely the most accurate so far, as that was done by Furrtek. He decapped and analyzed all of the original custom ASICs, making accurate logic schematics, then transcribing that logic into Verilog. A huge effort, but that's the "gold standard" for writing cores really. Not something us mere mortals can do. lol
Great video with the pro and cons. The MiSTer is certainly not for casuals due to the price, but I can say that FPGA hardware emulation which is cycle accurate has advantages over software emulation. For one, the input lag is like the actual hardware and perfect for competitive play for score or speed runs. While software emulation can do run ahead, it has its own issues such as being faster than the actual hardware plus compatibility issues plus finding the right configuration for each game. Personally, I use both hardware (FPGA) and software emulation. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses and neither is perfect. I have given up on most modern games as the rich library of games from the last 50 years is so much better and so much more compelling without NFTs, micro transactions, and incomplete, broken games with pretty graphics charging $70 (Here's looking at you: BF 2042). For most of MVG fans, we already know its about gameplay and while I love pretty graphics (don't we all) you don't notice it while playing these older, more compelling games.
I've got an idea for the next video - a detailed explanation of how FPGA differs from the traditional emulators.
I've got the basic idea of this concept, but not sure if I'm right so the video might help.
Thanks for your great videos
people used to joke about downloading more RAM, now with modern FPGAs you can download entire computers! Mindblown. I wonder if by recreating systems in hardware you could somehow "upgrade" them and make them more powerful, increasing the resolution in 3D consoles for example.
amazing video, something very interesting thats nice to see people preserving, like physical emulators that we can reproduce forever if we have the parts!
Remember working with an Altera Arria V, took me about a day to compile for it but FPGAs are blazing fast if you are smart enough to pipeline and parallelize.
Working with ADC that sampled with 40MHz, no CPU was capable of that.
When these projects are completed we'll be able to preserve older systems but NOT playing games on them and that's a beautiful future for retro gaming. I'd love to be able to play my PSX games while leaving the actual console in a safe place so that I can give it to my kids when they're older. Or if need be I can sell them while they're in much better condition because they rarely get used. FPGAs deserve a new kind of Nobel Prize for what they're doing to historic technologies.
Sooooooo mistakes were made by MVG? 😂
Loving my mister in an Amiga ITX case with a Sony Trinitron. I mostly just seem to play Genesis games though LoL
I feel like the nostalgia + the price make this attractive primarily for men 40 and Up.
(HA) they did a poll a while back the age group was about 35-40
Even though I would never being able to buy MiSTer FPGA, it's still fascinating to see the progress of replicating original retro hardware packed into a tiny machine. If MiSTer FPGA can replicate N64 core & Windows 98SE + MSDOS core with adjustable speed, sound (SoundBlaster particularly) & graphic settings, then that would be an amazing all in one retro gaming solution. A combination of 512MB RAM + IDE & SATA ports would be amazing as well.
if your reason for not being able to buy MiSTer FPGA is because you live overseas and the shipping costs along with currency exchange rates will break your bank, then imo it's valid coz same
N64 might be outside of what the De 10 is capable of. MiSTer does is low level, as its taking the time to implement each chip.
If you remember from one of MVG's N64 videos, why there isn't a clone N64 Yet, there only High level, just a software API to fudge the games to work without understanding of how the console works.
Saw the entire document video! Loved it
Don't forget an oldskool CRT TV
This has a lot of potential for future "hybrid" emulation. Just imagine an FPGA on a PCI-E card inside your PC, taking care of smaller console chips while your CPU and GPU are completely dedicated to emulate the CPU and GPU from the console.
i want a MiSTer for so long but its so expansive -.-. greate video again :)
fortunately I did way back in time and bought mine. today we have cps1,2 psx and others coming. its not cheap but for a retrogamer its the best you can have in terms of accuracy. games that have glitches in PSX runs perfectly in mister.
I have a PS2 with popstarter and many games for PSX can't run there because its emulation by software, using Mister its not even comparable, needed a real PSOne to run some games so perfectly
Love this kinda stuff!! Love how the community is preserving all-the-things for us!
FPGA and emulation both have their place as complimentary ways to preserve systems.
Great roundup, really interesting, but it feel similar to the Raspberry Pi's they simply don't exist....(in stores).
That makes it really hard not to go 2-click solution with a 25 € Mac Mini and Open Emu.
I know it will essentially require a new FPGA and board, but if we ever get N64 and Naomi, Mister will become a central gaming platform for me.
Personally, for myself. I would probably still get a GroovyMAME setup. Because I really only care for the arcade games and there's still not enough arcade boards that are supported on MiSTer yet.
MiSTer is great though if you wanna play console games or mess with older PCs
Digikey, Newark, Mouser, but mostly Digikey always seems to carry DE10-nano for 150$. Or you can go on intel's site and look under suppliers. That FPGA is manufactured by intel. It's an Altera Cyclone V. The FPGA itself is 50$ if someone was to mass purchase them.
Cool video I really enjoyed it
Welcome to the world of MiSTer MVG. The important thing for me is input lag and you can feel it.
I have now so many options, like original hardware / retro PC, flashcards like Everdrives, Emulation (like on my 351V) and so on that I don't really play my MiSTer so often. What I'm missing with the MiSTer is savestates and that Amiga would have less issues (especially games where you want to save). With Amiga I actually prefer WinUAE with my Laptop connected to my CRT Monitor, thanks to custom resolutions with high refresh rates even in real 320x200 and so on instead of scan doubling to.
Neo Geo via MiSTer on a CRT TV is great though as I don't own a Neo Geo (yet?). Need to try the PC core and other like C64 again too as it's been a while and they had many issues before.
Original hardware using original games somehow still feels best, just finished Dungeon Master Nexus on my Saturn and now I'm playing Shining Force CD on my Mega CD. Strange how even using the Everdrives on original hardware doesn't feel the same as plugging in the original games even though it's better for backing up save data.
I'll get one eventually, mostly for arcade, Neo Geo, and PC Engine.
Yes I get where you are coming from. I have 90k ROMS in my launchbox setup
I am glad you said you were wrong.
Anyone who new how emu and fpga works would know fpga is far superior. Superior is an understatment.
But as you said cost .....
I remember buying a bunch of Atari Jaguars at KB Toy and Hobby for $10 a piece in the late 90s.
As soon as someone works out Sega V2 and v3 cores.. I'll be buying one.. want point blank and house of the dead in All it's glory along with time crisis series as well.
I’m getting a Mr. specifically for arcade games. I grew up in the late 70s early 80s and I lived in the arcades. I wanna fully build an arcade cabinet in the next six months. The only thing stopping me is my wife’s wrath. 🤣
So this is what you've been up to this last week. Never seen anything like this myself so very interesting indeed. I presume all those games at the beginning were running on this thing? Looks very capable indeed in that case but for the money I'm not sure at all right now honestly. I think this kind of retro capable hardware is currently seeing a resurgence bringing up the demand along with the general chip shortage meaning this is not a great time to invest here much like high-end GPUs in general right now. Shame really. So much nostalgia crammed into one video. That MvC in particular looked amazing and I will also be looking forward to high-level Saturn emulation. The general array of possibilities and potential seen here is indeed staggering. Good stuff.
There are so many great video games, that have fallen victim to obscurity, just because the ability to make a penny from them has been lost due to expired copyrights. All of these games are works of art and should not be thrown into a closet of non-existence. Many talented video game programmers have put their heart and soul into making these games; do their works not deserve to be appreciated and cherished in perpetuity. Imagine if the same was done with the Mona Lisa or the statue of David. News of the development of retro gaming devises such as the MiSTer is indeed good. Thank you for the video MVG.
This is very cool, but I just don't feel compelled to wade in myself. Retroarch with run-ahead lag reduction achieves amazing results.
This is an awesome project and is doing a great job from what i see i the video. My only problem is, that i already made exactly something like this with Batocera on a dedicated minipc intel nuc with a gorgeous interface easy to scrool and a plesure to navigate for even a 5 year old, with over 2k games that work flawlessly with bluetooth controlers with all major arcade platforms up to ps1. Is all set and is small and i have lan connection to it to. Is software emulation not hardware, cost me nothing because was made from old pc i did not used, but in the end if it works....and most important is easy for a child to navigate in it and looks amazing and has game descriptions and cover artwork. Idk, i do not miss the bulky and cluncky machines or the old 386 with monochromatic duotone monitors, i miss the games.
Great showcase! I really want one now 😭
Awesome to see MVG covering this, would be interested to hear your thoughts a few months down the line of owning one. When it gets you thinking about selling your original PCBs then there must be something special about it👍🏼
I cannot imagine the hours and number of fpga's it would take to decap, read, and reassemble in HDL all the chips of an n64 but it has to be *possible*
Just got up to the bit where there's PS1 one the way. Thats insane. I dont even get how you can run hardware emulation but only have an incomplete spec loaded.
Google shows there's people working on the n64 and basically answers my question from here about nintendo re-releasing the physical silicon for a mini ua-cam.com/video/-BA0BJwuGK4/v-deo.html&lc=UgyYpgG64KZKeqGPnrx4AaABAg
An fpga should answer any concerns from your recent vids on the switch's official emulator
I could be wrong but from what I understand the DE-10 nano doesn't have enough space to do a N64. The PS1/Saturn cores are apparently already pushing the boundaries of what's possible.
Imagine Mister running Fightcade!
15:58 was pretty funny
I know it's probably wishful thinking and that "regular" emulators already exists but this for a ps2 and consoles of that era(gc/Xbox) would be awesome
Emulation when done correctly is close to perfect. However FPGA when done correctly is better then perfect.
Also MiSTer isn't as expensive as people think. Because to get the same experience on average would cost ATLEAST 250 per console.
Because to get the same quality you'd need:
1: The console (normally around 100$ or more).
2: Mod the console to output the best video signal (normally 50$ or more)
3: Need the game cartridge or flashcart (normally 50-100$ for the flashcart).
4: Providing you don't know how to mod the console. Pay someone to do it (normally about 100$).
This is all ballpark estimates ofcourse. But that's being conservative. Most of these console would cost you even more then 250.
All of this is amazing, and I would get one if it wouldn't cost $1000.....
The emulator guy is back ! 💚😎
Super interesting ! What do you use for your Arcade Cabinet ?
I'm interested, but waiting for the price to drop or perhaps a new updated hardware that doesn't need any add on