Fast List Explained | Is 60-130 the New Quarter Mile?
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Every one knows about 0-60 and the quarter mile. But is it really the best way to measure a car's straight line performance? Or is using a VBOX or Dragy and doing 60-130 pulls the best way to tell if the car is fast. Let's also talk about how we do our acceleration testing.
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Fast cars and Bugs. Sounds like South Texas. Awesome video. 60-130 is a must for true performance tests.
a true performance test is 0-130 , 60-130 is for cars with poor traction too much power for their car to start from a dig
I think it's good to get a good range of all of the testing methods for each car. The comparison between 60-130 and 40-100 gives insight on how the car performs in different situations.
Also phone app with lap times would be sick!!
No other car channel puts as much time and thought into making sure they get the most accurate data possible while still presenting it in a cinematic manner. I didn't used to be into straight line performance but after watching your videos my mind has since been changed.
You’re seriously one of the coolest guys I subscribe to on UA-cam! Great job, you definitely have a gift for this.
@SpeedLabs thank you for your time, knowledge and experience. Your presentation and how you are able to simply and effectively articulate the idea behind the 60-130mph allows a wide range of car enthusiasts to learn/understand; from the back yard mechanic to the Master Tech👍
Looking forward to more content and keep up the great work, your channel is very UNDERRATED!
Your channel better blow up. Love the videos and attention to detail concerning the data. Keep it up!
Ya 40-100 and 60-130 are more telling of a car then 0-60. Most passing happens in these ranges then 0-60. Also it gives better info on electric cars as they look super fast but fall off at higher speed. Love how you correct for weather, DA and such. Great info
Very true. As I've found with my Model 3 Performance test. It still really out accelerates many cars in the 40-100 but once it gets to around 110, you start seeing a dramatic falloff.
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy yep that's why they trap 120's for all 3 Tesla models in the 1/4 mile is that last bit after 100mph
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy I like the all around test info. 1/4 mile, 60-130 and track data that tells you the true story. For cars like the RS6 and such the first 2 and daily drivability are what I want to know as that's what they are used for 90% of the time
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Great video, I wish Audi would do these kind of metrics comparing their line up, like the S3 vs S4 vs RS3 vs S6, etc... Some cars are closer in the 0-60 then one car keeps pulling while the other falls behind.
Standardized tests are an essential baseline to compare cars. There's of course a whole lot more about cars than standardized tests. Essential elements like "character', "ride", and "styling" are not readily reduced to numbers which resides in the realm of discussion- a critical part of an auto enthusiasts experience. Your vids are the best.
Im absolutely loving your channel. Your "weird" obsession of collecting data when you were younger...I did the same thing.
My car is a street car so I rarely go the drag strip.
From my experience, theres too much BS at the track. At the track, getting a good pass out of a 700rwhp street car, 6 speed on drag radials is not easy. At my track your lucky to get 3 passes in a night so you better not blow the tires off, bog off the line, or miss a shift. For measuring shear acceleration, 40 -100 and 60 - 130 is the way to go.
I really enjoy your content, man! It’s amazing to me that every single one of us leaves positive comments for you. Other UA-camr‘s are not so fortunate, as I’m sure you’re aware. I’ve owned my yellow 2018 Z06 for six months now. I am torn between Paying $20,000 for a Callaway mod or trading it in for the ZR1 while I still can. Only problem is, I love this car so freaking much! It is so incredibly capable it just takes my breath away every single day. I’ve put 15,000 miles on it already as a daily driver. I wouldn’t have it any other way
So glad I found your channel. 60-130 is more important to me than 0-60, I’m usually on the highway doing pulls not starting from a dig
Thanks, same here. Not many good roads around me where I can do stuff from a dig, plus I don't like putting all that stress on my drivetrain from hard launches. Everyone I know roll races nowadays. I actually enjoying doing half mile runway events though because the launch doesn't matter as much there so I don't have to worry about launching aggressively.
You make some of the best stuff on here. Well done 👍
Subscribed. Great video!
great video. most underrated channel on youtube!!
This was a cool video from a cinematographer stand point, enjoyed it!
60-130 is what you do if you do if you want to see if your CAR is fast. 1/4 mile is to see if the DRIVER is fast. Well, scratch that, driving a car straight doesn't take much skill.
Hey Tim....so normally I'd agree 100% with that statement BUT with electric cars gaining in popularity (Tesla specifically) the 0-60 and 1/4 mile are becoming more and more significant at showing how quick a car is. As a side note ANY Tesla haters can STFU! It's an American car company...we FINALLY have a car brand that is ahead of THE REST OF THE WORLD! You can hate on electric but as an American you should LOVE TESLA! That is my PSA for the day lol! Nothing to do with you Tim :)
Thx Damien, you read my mind....check my post...
@@damiengvideos4337 Yes but that just further proves my point though. Driving a car straight is taking less and less skill each day. Fine by me either way. As cars become almost as fast as each other in a straightaway, we have to turn to other methods to measure performance (lap times, lat Gs, etc.)
In a manual trans car it takes alot of skill to get through the quarter mile as quick as possible. Dont just assume everyone has dct or auto some like old fashioned manual trans and that is all they wanna drive I am one of those people. It is a lost art and not very many people can drive them well and drive them properly
Nice work! have been doing 60-130 tests with a VBox for a while now. i have about 140-150 different vehicles tested. from tuned superbikes, to the usual 1000+ HP GTR's and everything in between. what's fascinating is that SOMETIMES cars that look like they win based on the 60-130 actually lose in the real world, and it's down to throttle response. all my tests are done on the same stretch of road at the same time (late at night). since i can't do standing starts, i got WOT in the ideal gear at around 40mph; idea being that by the time you're at 60, you're in the sweet spot and get the best possible time. but in a real wold roll-on race, some cars simply respond quicker, and that isn't always captured in the 60-130. finally, with really high powered modern cars, 130 just isn't fast enough. case in point, a 650S and 991 GT2RS have virtually identical 60-130's. this was borne out during a roll race we did, and the two cars were absolutely neck and neck. but once you were above 150mph, the GT2RS started to pull away noticeably. but overall, yes, 60-130 is arguably the best real world test of straight line performance.
Seems that we may have the same obsession. I have tested so many cars, but only recently have I started really compiling them into a database with DA correction, slope verification, etc. And you are absolutely right, 60-130 is not the whole story, but it paints the best picture for a lot of highway rolls. Things like gearing, powerband, and throttle response play a huge roll in a real world race that just can't be quantified in numbers.
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that 124 behind you is so dope dude!
We've been using 60-130 locally for about 7-8 years. The track is 3+hrs away, so it's really a 12hr commitment to get 2-3 runs, we all gave up. Everyone has a dragy now. Local stock motor 1000cc bikes are in the 3.50s, and a bunch of cars in the high 4s-low 5s (60-130).
Awesome video!
It'd be sweet if your phone app would hook up to a dragy for social and public sharing. You'd be able to create a database extremely fast not only by car, but by modifications as well. It'd be great to reference what real world difference a mod would do to a car before going out and buying it.
There are going to be variables in any test, with any car...tires, driver, driver weight, amount of fuel on board, road type, road conditions, too many to narrow down. However, I like yourself enjoy the process of running a vehicle flat out...to see how it feels, sounds, and performs!!! Your video production, execution and thought process are appreciated!!!
Great quality content man , keep it up !
Still a very enjoyable video to watch even though
I do not see fancy cars this time. Your points are right on the money. You must be a genius for this stuff. Keep up with the good work!
40-100 and 60-130 are perfect, would love to see more. No idea how you don't have a million+ subs already. Soon as the word is out, you likely will. I run a lot of tests in Cartest2000 but seeing it in real life is definitely awesome.
To get more data maybe you can include user submitted runs, video + Vbox/Draggy, location and weather data from the run. Probably check location and road grade to make sure it isn't too up/down hill. Might be interesting. Keep up the good work. Love the style and data.
That's a great idea. The Dragy has become a really fantastic tool that is affordable for most people and they are starting to include DA info in the logs so everything can be corrected and verified.
Great info as usual! I like your roll tests. Thanks!
awesome , man. Why don't you upload the video around 6:30 PM? It might get you more traffics
Thanks. There was an article that I read a little while ago about the best time to upload was between 1-3PM EST. But next week, I will try out something a little later because I'll be doing a reaction video to the new C8 Corvette when they announce it.
Thanks for explaining the 40-100 and why you do it. I think it's also a more realistic number that most people can get out of their car without owning a super high performance machine. As you know, I'm not much of a straight line guy but a rolling race is definitely the way to go for me, and it has to be done on a track or in a controlled environment. I still see a lot of idiots who want to do it on the highway with other drivers around, that was my PSA for the week. Nice move on the bug, you should work on a fatality for next video 😆
bro if you are ever on east coast and wanna hit the mexico highway near Philly, I'm all game man. I have an 18 RS3.
I'm from the NJ/NYC area, so I am down whenever. Is your RS3 stock? I did a Stage 2 TTRS a little while ago. Would love to gather more data on that platform.
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy I just have a unitronic ECU/TCU tune, plan on going e85 around winter time. If you'd like man shoot me a message on insta @ajtormos / love your vids btw man
@@thatdudeCR E85 is a game changer. I've been running my RS3 with corn for 3000 miles now.
Thanks man, I'll shoot you a message on IG.
just found this channel and love it
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Nice shots
40-100 is a misdemeanor but 60-130 is a felony 😂
Love the garage scene with the abarth and the bloopers at the end! 👍
great channel and good editing PLS keep it going🧡
Yeah, many people don't realized that the 0-60 is nothing more than torque. If you want the power, it has to be at high speeds and gears. I have seen and read lots of dyno charts, power kicks in at higher rpms at different gears.
This is great, with things like the dragy and vbox, you can compare your cars performance to other cars without really racing them, we already use these kinds of times in "Mexico" to look for good races between cars
Just purchased a dragy, can't wait to test my newly modified z06. Problem is the roads are not very straight so it's hard to find a safe place to test.
60-130 takes out the traction aspect and shows a car's real power/weight.
Great video as always! I need to do something like this also to explain testing methodology :)
I am new to this channel. Great video.
*ROLL RACING IS FOR HIGH POWERED STREET CARS* Wheres my sl600 (twin turbo v12) strives at vs similar hp cars cause torque, a half power or full power launch is practically impossible
Great video
Pumped about the app too man
For a 60 to 130 time, why wouldn’t you launch from a steady and stable cruising speed right at 60 mph? I’m confused. A full throttle beginning at 60 would seem to highlight real torque and strength. Why confuse the issue by starting full throttle at an slower speed and only count the time from 60 to 130? I hope to get your thoughts on the matter.
Nowadays 60-130 or 100-200kmh seem to be the metric to look at. I personally dont care much how the car performs at higher speeds. I like low end for in town driving and highway acceleration . 0-60 and 60-100 times mean more to me.
Great video! Keep up the good work!
i'm as usual not a fan of straight line stuff. It's too boring. And I don't mind 40-100 coming alongside 60-130 because 40-100 seems too short.
Some of us come along to listen to engine notes as a bonus so 60-130 is long enough to keep us satisfied. and instead of a phone app, i personally think an excel sheet is actually better and easier to maintain. And your bloopers are absolutely outrageous man 🙌🙌🙌
I currently have all the data on an Excel spreadsheet, and it works great for myself. But the problem would be having people repeatedly download the excel sheets and letting them know it's been updated and such.
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy We could just view it online. An excel sheet is tiny. For us who use iOS apps are massively bigger than they are on Android. I don't even know why.
Its not really boring when you're snatching gears in a manual trans car.
Great video! Where can I find the list with all of the data?
@itay Ben-Avraham Link is listed in the description. You can also get to it here >>> The Fast List - bit.ly/thefastlist
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy I know this video is old, but the link is most definitely *not* listed in the description. You guys must've removed it at some point, but the link in your comment works.
All the above
60-130 is best test to go by imo
Great video as always
Awesome stuff keep it coming
Grear vid! For me 60-130 is easier to achieve and more realistic because of lack fo traction at lower speeds. I have a supercharged C7 A8 and 40-100 especially in winter months can be traction limited at times. Still both fun tests
Awesome as usual.
I prefer 40 rolls when I do Races man. 60-130 is good but ends too quick hahaha.
I like checking through 60-100mph to give an idea of rolling performance, so their 0-100 minus the 0-60, something you can work with most easily obtainable data. Not a broad range I know but interesting.
That's a good easy one too since most magazines publish the 0-60 and 0-100 in the same test, so it's easy to calculate without having to actually have to run the car.
What kinda HP cars should be doing 40-100? I'm about 2780lbs 330crank (give or take 10-15hp w/ fuel)
Should I be doing 40-100 for now where I'm at power wise?
Great video! Thanks for the info
Hopefully the VW can hit 130 one day. It’s close, just not there yet.
All these stuck up mustang kids think the takeoff is what makes their cars fast, but it doesn’t.
40-100 is something I’d be able to get with my car for sure.
Hopefully a VBOX isn’t too expensive if I plan on getting one.
Computers do make errors. You’re right.
It would be nice to have a 100-200 if you ever plan on going insane with a hypercar or even a supercar.
Phone app, I see. Smart. Nice video man. Thanks again.
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One day, you just need a long enough straightaway to get there. If you're tight on budget, get a Dragy. It's like 98% as accurate and it's a fraction of the price. Plus it links up to your phone and does all math for you so it's much more intuitive. The VBOX is just a more complex tool with more functions for someone who needs it to gather more than just straight line data.
100-200 would be almost impossible unless I lived right by an airstrip that's like at least 2 miles long LOL.
Glad you enjoyed me backhanding that insect lol.
Track Day TV lmao an airstrip 😂. Yeah I did enjoy that by the way it’s interesting watching you get angry for some reason because you get funny angry if you know what I mean. You get mad and it’s funny as shit to watch it’s the same way my girlfriend is when she gets mad I make fun of her then it makes her even more pissed off 😂
60-130 is the new 1/4 mile time because they’re closing all the racetracks.
You did a great job!
Hello. Where is the DA adjustment calculator?
Hey bud. Sorry just got a new job. Goofed me up. I enjoyed this video alot bro. Wife and baby doing well?
No worries my friend. All is well on my end. What's your new commute schedule now? Did it change at all?
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy oh man. My previous job was 200 miles/day 12:30-9:30. Now I work 25 minutes from home and I work 5:30-2:00pm... Talk about breathing out a sigh of relief.
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy dude. When you talked about your love for gathering vehicle data.. It hit a nerve. I feel you bro. I have always been like that with cars and computers. Love that. Can't wait for your database.
Well that's good. A shorter commute is always a good thing. But I guess my 2:30PM EST uploads no longer land exactly during your commute then =/
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy no sadly. I am still an avid viewer and I appreciate the heck outa your content.
60-130 is more real world and shows what a car is about along with high speed cornering
Have you looked at a 5mph to 60mph? I don’t know that it makes that much difference but it might be worth looking at...
40-100 sounds great.
I like the real world numbers. 40-100 & 60-130. You are right, the typical numbers released from the manufacturers are always the best possible and many more variables. Seen it a bunch with"faster" 0-60 cars getting smoked because the driver is an idiot
0-60 is very misleading to a car's overall performance beyond stop and go traffic. So many cars now do a sub 4 second 0-60 only to be walked by something "slower on paper" in a usable racing range.
Cool video. The 720s 60-130 seems slow compared to every other 60-130 I’ve seen done. Usually 5.3-5.5.
Thanks, as mentioned there are other variables involved such as DA and slope. The 720S is also a spider which adds a bit of weight to the mix. I do believe that with a few more runs and perfect air, the 720S spider would be capable of 5.6-5.8 in the 60-130.
0-100, quarter mile, 60-130, lateral G
Good info.
Excellent! 👍😃
I think 40-120 is the best possible way to measure straight line performance for rolling races.
If I had it my way, I'd actually pick something like 40-120 or 60-140. The longer the range, the more information it gives you about a car. But 60-130 was already standardized for a while now so I rather add to it with the 40-100 than take away from. Maybe I can put together my data and do 40-130 for a car that has info on both.
I want your thoughts on the ZL1. Could it be the perfect car? I know you prefer to have separate cars, but the Camaro does everything well...
Z06 Power, yet more comfortable. Handles great, looks/sounds great. Is not as expensive. You can put a child seat on the back seats or friends in a pinch.
Visibility bother you? The get convertible. Good manual and auto trans.
I'm gonna try and set up a review soon. It's been a while since I've done a full on review so I think it's about time. But I can tell you from the 15 minutes of driving one, that it is a far better overall car than the Z06. The only downside is appearance, but that is subjective. I think it's a cool looking car, but my wife likes the Corvette better.
I love the ZL1 Camaro. Almost bought one before buying my first BMW M4 a couple years ago. I just bought a 2019 M4 CS last month. I'm also in the car business and drive everything. The F82 M4 is one of a few cars that is superior to the ZL1 as a dailyish high performance coupe. The M4's build quality is night and day difference from the ZL1. Most people would agree the F82 is also the sexier car as well. The M4 still gives you that classy BMW feel when you aren't trying to just go fast. You can pull up to a business setting in a suit and tie and look the part in the M4. ZL1? Not so much. A simple $300 MHD tune and catless downpipes and the F82 M4 will also pull easily on the ZL1 from a roll. More backseat space, more options, better gas mileage......
So i have a couple tunes on my q50 3.0t, one does a 10.2 60-130 other does a 11.4 . Any idea to tell the distance that would be between those 2 times in a race?
There's no scientific or absolute way. But that would be at least 2-3 car lengths in my experience.
asian clint eastwood is afraid of bugs...? *gasp
Dan we have an rs7 that does 4.8 😂😁 and an e63s even faster
In the 60-130? That's insane.
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy yes, I'll post the video
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy ua-cam.com/video/MCcShNZadP8/v-deo.html lookin for the Facebook video but here's some warm up action
Hm, dunno why UA-cam didn't notify me of your reply. I just realized, where you talking about the 40-100 time or 60-130? It looks like it 100-200 in 7.3 which is around a mid to high 7 second 60-130 but that's right in line with a car that can run 40-100 in high 4s as well.
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvystill looking for that video Dan, if I find it you'll be in shock
I thought there will be real track, not straight acceleration. Anyone can press the pedal to the floor but track skills are something different.
There is also a track fast list too.
Where? in your videos i just see times in straight acceleration. I mean great production and great cars but I hope you'll test them properly ;)
I'd like to do more but here are the ones I have with timing around tracks:
Does the Z06 Overheat >>> ua-cam.com/video/BhgYuXrhDHQ/v-deo.html
How Does Aero Affect Acceleration and Lap Time >>> ua-cam.com/video/R8odYcpReuM/v-deo.html
BRZ Track Test >>> ua-cam.com/video/aOIZVjj089g/v-deo.html
Tuned Abarth 124 Track Test >>> ua-cam.com/video/HO40qRXQl0c/v-deo.html
1/4 mile never lies
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I can help you with the app I am a developer
I don't know why but my 60-130 Is slower than my friends hellcat but I beat him from a roll🤔
60-130 is nothing new. It's been a thing since 6SO forums over a decade and a half when we were forced to use a VBox. They just made the tools to aquire the data affordable so now every idiot is doing 60-130 hits and uploading screenshots of their 8 second runs on their instagram 😂
I'd love to see some 40-100 runs comparing the brz and 2019 miata.
60-130!!!
My car does 60-130 in 4.5 to 5 seconds, depending on conditions and if I get traction. I run low 9's in the 1/4 mile. Hopefully will be mid 8's this year with suspension work recently done.
I don't know about you but, ive only driven over 125 once. Not a regular above 80-90...i now own a P3D Tesla and I know its fast 0-60, 0-100 and 20, 30-70 to 90. There atent alot of places to do 130+ without red and blue lights showing up on your rearview mirror. That mean Jail. Hope ya never get caught doing it is all...ps. I passed a 370ZX over 142 and was still going....max is now 162, and I know it will get there...!!!
60-130 is the new 0-60 only because everyone is getting tired of Tesla's crushing the 0-60 against much higher horsepower cars. I maintain that 0-60 is more indicative of 95% of the daily driving that most people, even auto enthusiasts, do. I've hit 130mph exactly once in my life on a long back straight at my local road course in a heavily modified WRX. 0-60 happens daily.
Highways. Can get to 130 easily nowadays.
I like to drive pretty conservatively on the street as well, but I frequently track my cars so they see a lot of time in the 110-140MPH range, especially on NJMP's Lightning course. I think I remember you from the P3D video's comment section. The P3D does do a really good job at out accelerating similarly classed cars in the 40-100. I still want to try a 60-130 run (on a closed course) with one to see where it really starts to fall off.
@@brunodemelo4997 Km/h or MPH? If you are driving 130 mph on the highway...
@@JT-xq2hv "kph" and I'm lucky to have dead empty highways at night. I have 600 whp car so I can get there pretty damn fast.
60-130 became a "standard" measurement but it's very flawed. It's a short burst favoring cars with specific gearing and transmission types that are also slow enough to dead hook. 50-160 or similar would be better. Numerous cars with a quick 60-130 time get drug in roll racing because by nature it's a short gimmicky flawed measurement.
Not Amy cars cam do 160. Most stock German cars are limited to 155 anyway. Even the performance ones.
Uh 60-130 is right in the meat of most roll races. By 130 you're losing or winning. If you're spinning at 60 that's your fault for shit tires or overpowering your chassis.
Sooooooo where's your list?
The most updated version of the list is usually in the latest "Acceleration" videos, which happens to be this one >> ua-cam.com/video/oF6yug0u_5A/v-deo.html
It's hard to fit all the times into the screen, so I just limit it to the 8 closest cars to the one being reviewed.
I've said this for yrs 1/4 and 0 - 60 are dead! These are old school ways of measuring speed. Just because one car is faster to 1/4 mile doesn't mean its faster car its just means its quicker of two car to 1/4 or 0-60. In real world most races go beyond 1/4 mile 60 to 130 is more accurate realistic measures of which car is faster not quicker. Gearing, power band, traction even aero all come into play.
50-150
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Ok Dan, thumbs down sir!, Im pretty pissed right now/ keep all this clarity shit to YOURSELF!!!, WE the PEOPLE subscribe for action and look forward to it every Thursday sir - kinda like Whopper Wednesday from Burger King.
You had better up your game next week.
Sorry to hear that, Chris. An explanation to the Fast List was a topic that was requested by a few of my viewers, so I figured it'd have to be done. Either way, every video takes a lot of effort so sometimes I gotta take it easy and throw out an easy going one like this, otherwise I'll burn myself out.
@@SpeedLabsMotorEnvy
I apologize sir!
I look forward to my Thursdays (Track Day) and so do the guys here at work