Why the Jedi Council REFUSED to Knight Anakin After the Battle of Geonosis - Star Wars Explained
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Overall, Anakin's struggle in the Jedi Temple is more pronounced in Legends;
Apparently, he was afraid to meditate at times, due to how overwhelming it was since he was so Force Sensitive. Which is an interesting concept in and of itself. When your latent abilities rival that of the Gods of the Force itself.... that must be a wildly intense feeling.
He was much older than most any initiates in the Order's history, was very skilled in Saber combat, had raw talent in the force, and yet the masters didn't think to hone his skills or take more interest in him.
That would make anyone resentful especially with Emperor Step-Peppers whispering into his ear and giving him the praise he was so desperate for
@wolfofsid6418 and constantly pushing the idea the jedi are using him
@@blu3d3vil97 Too true
good point, is it from a legends book or comic?
Honestly I think they were too religious about it, in an effort to not seek power by giving him the necessary attention, and thus seeking to increase the Jedi power which is a road to the dark side, they fell victim to their own fear which is also a road to the dark side. Ironic it’s almost as if they were destined
Obi-Wan's promotion to Knighthood I think is similar to Luke's; it's not so much the fact that they defeated a Sith in combat, but in that moment they overcame a great darkness without losing themselves to it, and losing faith in the Light. Obi-Wan saw his master slain as he helplessly watched, Luke faced his greatest adversary only to realize Vader was his own father. In this moment they were both vulnerable to the dark side; but they overcame it. That is the true mark of a Jedi Knight
Well. Anakin defeated Dark Acolytes and Dooku, and that didn't turn him.
@thalmoragent9344 By the time Anakin fought Count Dooku the second time, he was already well on his way to being turned. As soon as he took Palpatine's order to kill Dooku, he made a place for himself at his side.
Some good points, I think this exception is fine on it's own and rewards the Padawan with an upstanding rank and corresponding amount of responsibility
@@undercov3erboss340that's not his second fight it's their last fight. They've had many duels before but you are not wrong he was already on his way
@TroySoy I know they've met many times, but the 2 featured in the films are the most significant. It's interesting because Anakin is a lot like Dooku was when he was still a Jedi. Anakin was never made a Jedi Master because while he showed incredible skill with a blade and with the Force; he never showed he could overcome his own inner darkness. That's where he failed as a Jedi; and where his masters failed to help him.
Soooooooooooooooooo, they made Obi Wan a Knight for killing Maul, but then Maul came back alive. Oopsies.
Taking a senator into Geonosis to rescue your master and fail might not make council choose Knighthood. Granted, Mac Windu taking 215 jedi and having 87 percent of them killed is not exactly the high mark of success either.
One broke orders to do that. Mace windu failed but he failed by the book , by their orders.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 "Failed by the book," is Mace summed up to a tee.
I like Mac Windu better than his brother Mace.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 not really considering he pretty much succeeded at everything he did in the films.
True but mace was one of the leaders of the Jedi order and he had yoda’s backing
This makes me wish for the Council to actually give Anakin the special treatment he needed considering his personal background. Maybe then, Anakin wouldn’t have fallen to the dark side
Less of a special treatment and more empathy. Yoda, in particular, had none for Anakin, even after being told that his mother had died. Anakin should have had private lessons with anything Force or martial related. He was held back there, in Legends he tells them as a child of how scared he is of meditation due to how powerful the Force within him was, Mace and the other masters ignored it. In fact in Legends they never supported or listened to Obi-Wan either. Obi-Wan had so much empathy for Anakin, he just lacked the experience of how to help. Sorry, that was long.
@@TaraCicorait’s okay and I completely agree with you
@TaraCicora in the books . ( clone wars , wild space) sett immediately after episode 2 .
Yoda knows she died via his force vision and told obi wan who didn't know yet . Yoda was aware of padme as well .and gave him a pass and told obi wan to take special care of him ..
It was obvious after she hugged him and how upset she was with his wound.
@@shanenolan5625Yoda told Obi-Wan that 'mothers die' and then told Obi-Wan to break up with Padme while Anakin was still recovering. There was no special care on Yodas part. He knew stuff had happened yes, but he didn't know or care about the particulars of it. Which is too bad, because that could have changed things.
@@shanenolan5625Wild Space is one of my favorite books.
At this rate it goes to show that Anakin would have done better getting trained outside of the jedi temple then within it. Those old school jedi were so stuck in their philosophy of the past that it's crazy, the lack of adaptation from them is what partly destroyed the order as a whole🤷🏾♂.
They didn’t wanna update their android to the iPhone.
@@Gryffindorruless
Facts 😂👏🏾🔥
This all makes a lot of things more clear that the movies and tv shows don't really go over from what I've seen. Great video as always!
The sad thing about anakins "chip" on his shoulder was because all he ever wanted was obiwans praise, he wanted his master to acknowledge his progress and I'm came from a place of looking up to him.. when all anakin actually got was obiwan always pointing out his flaws and his over confidence even tho obiwan was always proud of anakin, he never let him see it...to anakin he felt like he can never be enough or do enough to get the pat on the back he craved...that is why it slowly turned from looking up to obiwan more into a resentment, more into the "im just as good if not better than him!! Why can't he see that!?!"... anakins need for obiwans acceptance and praise carried all the way into his vader days with this insatiable NEED to prove he can defeat obiwan!! Everytime obiwan defeated him and defeating him in the most embarrassing ways for him would drive him damn near crazy.. its like "I know I'm better than him, I need to prove to him that I'm better than him, but everytime we fight he proves the opposite is true!!" and it makes vader feels like he is just proving all of obiwans criticisms of him correct!!..its also why it's never enough to beat obiwan when he is weak and out of practice, beat him when he is old, which were the only times vader could actually win..he never was able to defeat the "clutch" obiwan who wins when it really matters.. its all really sad that anakins resentment toward obiwan comes from a self conscious place, we all know obiwan was immensely proud of anakin, he just didn't want anakin to become complacent or develop bad habit or even worse nurture any negative tendencies because he knew someone as powerful as anakin can really become of problem if led down the wrong path..in trying to prevent those thing obiwan ended leading him down the exact road he wanted him to avoid! Obiwan was the perfect "jedi" In terms of what the order had become, and he trained anakin the way he thought the order wanted and needed rather than training anakin the way HE needed. Which was less stringent rules, more catering to his emotional needs and most importantly telling him he was doin a good job and that he was proud of him a little more often than telling him what he isn't doing right, telling him it dosent matter how good he is because nobody likes a show off ect..
New teacher syndrome. Obiwan wanted to provoke him to get better, and the best way to do that with a gifted student is to say "Well, you're not that good at this." A real teacher also praises the good things, but Obi had never taught someone, or even done things on his own. He went from learner to master in the casual boredom of Yodas decree.
Only adding to the list of circumstances Palpetine could use to his knowledge when grooming Anakin...
Anakin single handedly won the battle of Naboo at age 9 .
He went toe to toe with a former jedi master / Sith Lord as a teenager.
As a padawan he was more powerful than several council members.
As a padawan he won more battles of the clone war than several masters.
Lmao he was 19 or 20 in aotc and rots is 3 years later so he was 23
We get it, you'd swallow for him. Don't have to lie to make him feel better, he's already dead.
I can't help but feel for Anakin at times. I'm not sure if he deserved Knighthood after Gean-osis. But I sort of wish it had been explained to him the reluctance of the council to promote him. But then again it might not have made a difference.
He always felt like an outsider, and leaned into that so hard that he became one. It really didn't help that Obiwan was his teacher. He needed an experienced Jedi, not someone that was passed over in favor of the new flavor of the month. A father, not a brother.
@@willdavis3802---Just like Qui-Gon, right.
The Jedi really screwed Anakin,half of him being like that was already there,we see that inEp. 1. The Jedi instead of making things better,were Acually making things worse or more difficult. Man Qui Gon would've been the ultimate master to young Anakin. After qui Gon dies u can see it in Anakins eyes like "dam there goes my biggest fan right there..everyone here clearly didn't want me here,and my my new master,master of the guy that was supposed to train me and is only one of these clowns that I like and respect..is only doing this because he diedd and it's a favor,and now they ain't even taking me in cuz they feel sorry for me,it's cuz they feel bad qui Gon " 😳😶
You know what? We should introduce Anakin to Paul Atreides. Those two could use a friend who understand what it's like powerful idiotic people pushing their agendas and expectations on them and causing themt to ruin the fucking galaxy. XD
As a padawan Anakin did something that only Qui-Gon , Obi-Wan and Yoda had done in a thousand years.........
Go toe to toe with a Sith Lord and live to tell about it .
Not even Mace Windu could say that.
simply because the guy Mace was right about interfered.
@@scottb3034 Mace Windu was committing treason by trying to assassinate the legally and lawful leader of the Republic.
Anakin did his duty as a jedi .
So let me get this right. Anikan will never be worthy to be a knight. But yet the Council who were not only ignorant and blind to the dark side taking over. But also cared more about the Republic and not the actual Jedi way, are...
Anakin did a lot to prove himself unworthy. Also caring about the Republic is the main goal, that's why the rise of the Empire was considered bad after all.
Also they weren't blind to the dark side taking over, they clearly saw it happening lol.
@@scottb3034
In the words of Gandalf: "Saw it and did NOTHING."
And by their own metric, the Jedi proved themselves unworthy many times just over the course of the final decades & centuries of the Republic.
Considering everything, anakin lost/sacrificed, the council owes him. They purposefully held him back while promoting other padawans despite all he had done for the council. While he was trained to a jedi, he grew up a child soldier fighting in a war torn galaxy and then had a padawan shoved onto him even though it was obi wan who desired one; only to then have the same padawan, that he trained and seved with on many missions expelled for a crime she didn't commit all for mace windu to be like oh well this was your great trial now you can be a knight despite all she had done while in service of the council causing her to leave guaranteing anakin could never bring her to knighthood.
Afterwards, anakin was appointed to a position he didn't ask for only to be told no you won't be a master which was a clear act of defiance against palpatine and then was asked to spy on palptine for the council. All this on top of having lost his mother and mentor in qui gon and the council refusing to train him in the first place out of the one emotion they warned Anakin against: Fear. It's a wonder Anakin didn't leave the order like Ahsoka did. Say what you will, but Anakin was nothing but a pawn to be exploited by the council, in this, Palpatine was correct, yes, but he himself was merely using Anakin as a pawn as well. Neither side saw him for who he was but merely a weapon.
Either way, Anakin was better off without either of them and should've went with his wife to raise his children while studying the force on his own much like Luke and Ahsoka and then trained Luke and Leia.
Personally, I prefer the 2003 Clone Wars knighting of Anakin Skywalker. It showed that he had passed most of the Jedi Trials while in the field.
He passed the Trial of Skill when he defeated Ventress on the Fourth Moon of Yavin.
He endured an atrocious Trial of the Flesh at the hands of Count Dooku.
And he passed every Test of Courage the war had dealt him.
Was Obi Wan already a jedi master in Attack of the Clones or did he become one during the Clone Wars?
He was a master in the sense he was training a padawan. To ascend to the rank of master officially he would need to train his padawan to knighthood, which had happened by the clone wars show since Anakin got knighted between Geonosis and Christophsis
This certainly is more involved than one would initially assume. Just goes to show how much quality content is in legends that Disney threw away and honestly, clone wars needs a least another season showing not only the early days of the war right after AOTC but also showing what other Jedi got up to during the war. TCW missed so much of the conflict and story and honestly the fact they're cutting back on live action and with next year being the final season of the Bad Batch it's the perfect time to flesh out the Clone Wars animation more to show such things as what this video is about.
I would love a jedi trial detail video.
In a way Obi Wan did fail Anakin because he was blind to Anakin's weakness. I think Mace Windu should have taken Anakin because he was powerful enough to challenge and anakin and earn anakins respect. While also not having a close relationship and therefore not blind to the training that Anakin needed to defeat the darkness within himself.
Obi Wan could only see his Light, whereas everyone else could see his darkness.
Anakin needed intense spiritual training and did not receive it.
To be fair, it was Palpatine that declared Luke a jedi. He also declared Anakin a Dark Lord of the Sith. So oddly enough, Palpatine had far better judgement than the entire Jedi Council.
Hey man I just want to say you do a awesome job of filling in the gaps of star wars lore. Keep up the good work! I love this channel.
Definitely curious about the trials. Let the video commence please
I especially like that you include the source of information. And yes, I would also love to see a video about the trials in detail. Thank you for the insight.
There was a good book about anakin getting Knighted . ( jedi trail )
The masters didn’t want anakin to feel special but he was, and he should’ve been given that special treatment cause he was special. J think it was the force giving the Jedi one last chance to wake up 😂😂
I’m just imagining the Force shaking and slapping the Jedi, yelling at them to wake the f**k up😂
I feel Anakin should of had four Jedi Masters to teach him different things Qui Gon for philosophy and following the willing force over the code, council, or republic or unifying force or his own needs as well as how to become a force ghost, Shaak Ti to teach him more empathy and sympathy, Mace for lightsaber combat with Vaapad to balance the light and dark sides, And Yoda for force combat with telekenesis, force shields, force barriers, force bubbles, tutiminus, force speed, force reflexes, force acrobatics, telepathy, beast control, battle meditation, illusions, doppleganger, force cage, force healing, force cleansing, force flight, teleportation, force senses, force stun, electric judgement, and more.
I'm going to say yes and no. Why.....? Despite his ability within the force,it take him a while to notice some level of maturity. You could wield a dangerous weapon, but without the proper discipline and experience.....that weapon is useless to the wielder. On the other hand, they should've granted him the rank of knight hood after his encounter with Dooku. He lost a limb during their duel,but he realized that this was a wake up call for him. Rushing into battle without thinking can be detrimental. The council and Obi-Wan should've did a better job with skywalker....that's why qui-gon was the perfect master he needed for him to walk the path of the jedi. Dogmatic views of the order to some degree is what led to their destruction. Their lack of teachings and strict codes had a huge affect on skywalker turning to the dark side....Anakin felt disrespected in many ways throughout the entire time of his training and during time of the war.....
If Aniken were a traditional Jedi probably would’ve been knighted for the battle of Genonass but the story of Anakin‘s knight hood fits the story of his whole life Unconventional knighting for an unconventional Jedi
I feel the choice to delay his training was an important one. He was full of himself. By the standards of the jedi he wasn't ready because of that. He needed time to mature to search deep into the force and find purpose that wasn't self fulfilling. He needed to learn I serve the force, not the force serves me. He never grew out of things being unfair to him instead of meditating on why things were different for him. If he would have focused on the why instead of how things were unfair he would've become a powerful jedi. I also believed he needed a master to explain that to him and to thoroughly explain why things were different for him instead of testing him when he didn't even know he was being tested at times. In short he needed to prove he was in control of himself before being knighted. And till that point he failed to do so it was all about I want I want it I want it instead of selfless service to a higher calling.
The problem with that is the Jedi didn't have a reason to hold him back. Was Anakin full of himself? Most definitely, but he'd proven his worth in a short period of time to much greater extent than numerous other members of the Jedi order. You can't spurn a person over and over again without some compensation, while rewarding another less competent individual for having the correct mind set. Any meditation he'd preform would've ultimately pointed him to the fact he was being unfairly treated out of fear. He needed to be humbled and actually taught, which Obi-wan wasn't capable of doing and every else choose to let fear and dogmatic ideology stay their hand.
6:39 do we ever know if maul’s lightsaber crystal was recovered and what happened to it if it was? That and what was left of the cut in half blade that didn’t fall into the shaft?
Just more evidence of the Council’s poor management and communication with Anakin. If they told him that the bar was higher for him due to his potential, then he likely would’ve accepted being treated more harshly as he would know the expectations are higher.
Just look up Freedon Nadd to see how THAT went.
The Jedi. Never. Learn.
I’m just wondering what if Anakin helped Mace Windu kill or arrest Palpatine or would the Jedi order still not consider making him a Master considering he was told to stay at the temple but left anyway
From what I've heard people always say, apparently Windu was going to tell Anakin that they were going to make him a master, but Sidious's arrest was about to happen so that's why he told him to wait in the Council chamber
@@mr.strange4063 that makes sense but still when he told him he sensed a great confusion in him it was like he and the council still didn’t trust him but like in a what if scenario he helped arrest or kill Sidious would the Jedi order still make him a master but since he disobeyed a order especially from a Master like Windu he would still not be allowed the rank of Master
@@brianpark3395I feel like he still would have been granted the rank of master as it would have been recognized that by helping bring down Sidious Anakin while tempted by the dark side ultimately turned away from it. Plus he was the one who brought Palpatine to the council’s attention as they were getting nowhere fast when it came to finding the Sith lord.
@@brianpark3395windu probably thought anakin was confused by his findings of palpatine being a sith lord
if you notice Mace is actually somewhat welcoming of Anakin's arrival. He gestures at him to keep calm and then turns to talk to Palpatine. He was far from angry or concerned by Anakin's arrival, he trusted him. He probably would have promoted him had he just let it go.
Cool! More about the trials, please. :)
Awesome Video. Please do a video on the Jedi Trials?
Well, if you rescue the princess because you put her in danger means that you don't get treated as the savior.
I'd love to hear more about the jedi trials. I think that would be so cool.
I'd enjoy a video on the jedi trials! :)
Well Yoda made to many mistakes that led to the rise of the sith throughout his time on the council.
What most people often don't see or mention, is that Anakin - his views and emotions - were under the influence of a very dogmatic religion. He constantly had to think of himself of unworthy or tainted ...Only Jedi like Qui Gon or Luke were able to see and live beyond that.
This is ridiculous logic. The Jedi's religion was never the problem. The problem is that Anakin always viewed himself as the exception to the rules. This argument basically amounts to saying an entire police precinct ought to give 1 cop special treatment because he'd rather use his power to engage in criminal activity.
@@decepticonxhunter4850Not really considering they hindered his advance on the idea that he would develop an ego. His ego was developed instead by the fact that while many other jedi trainees were apart of the order longer than him and weren't held back by the council has he was. Their skills and abilities paled in comparison to him. None of the Jedi attempted to humble him on any justifiably grounds. They just kept restraining him in the hopes it brings humidity, but that's not how humidity works. They only made him more isolated from the rest of the order. They learned he was a chosen one and then choose to let fear guide their actions towards him, which led to him turning to the other side when he did
I would like a more detailed video on the Jedi trials. your content is very good, some of the best Star wars content I've seen. 👍
I would love to hear more details on the jedi trials! One of the few things not explored in detaol on the channel
This sounds very interesting. Trials make sense. Who's worthy,who can do it. Anakin deserved it much earlier. But it's nice like this. I think it turned up perfectly like this. I fullfilled conditions for Jedi Knight when I was on Koriban,KOTOR . May the Force be with you too😊
I would have made Anakin a Knight after Geonosis and then after Count Dooku's death given the rank of Master to him
Anakin has an ego, but it’s for good reason and his confidence was usually well founded. His feats as a Padawan is impressive and definitely warrants skipping the trials when only Obi-wan’s feat in defeating Maul after Qui-gon was killed was comparable.
It’s also bullshit Anakin was not knighted after Geonosis while the surviving other padawans got knighted especially when this was where Anakin also lost his hand while fighting a Sith and living.
This is a MASSIVE slight against Anakin, and the Council kept slighting him to their end. While his actions against the Jedi are WRONG from any point of view, it still feels like the Jedi organization deserved every ill action and its destruction at the hands of the guy they kept on slighting for this or that nonsense.
The Council and its ossified thinking has only itself to blame for the fall of the Order. After the departure of Dooku, and subsequent fall to the Dark Side, one would think the Council would learn from its mistakes. Instead, it doubled down on its arrogance and drove Anakin into the arms of the Sith just as they did Dooku. A council of fools.
awesome video. 🎉
Any organization that does not promote individuals of merit is doomed to fail. This is one reason the Jedi Order fell. Sadly for Anakin, Sidious treated him in much the same way. Anakin should have left the order, traveled the galaxy for a few year, looking for Jedi/Sith holos to complete his training. If the Jedi trials were supposedly the best training to separate the knights from the masters, why did Darth Maul kill so many masters? It seems some knights got promoted who had no business getting promoted. When Anakin eventually killed Count Dooku, the Jedi Council sealed their fate.
Jedi, as many other Light-aligned religious orders in fiction, don't promote people based on skill or merit, but political/ideological obedience and piety. Which, you know, is why they all suck for the most part.
You're right. However, that merit must FIT the promotion. A soldier might be a great follower and warrior. That doesn't mean he's a great leader. I think it's pretty obvious they were correct in not making him a master. He was too emotionally immature the whole of his life. That's me being nice to him.
@@mc.9839
Yeah, cause the Jedi Council are such great experts on emotional maturity.
I think anyone who really consumed Star Wars products can quickly surmise the Jedi suck at judging people's worth outside their own biased dogma.
@@DeathMessenger1988 Oh c'mon. The Jedi survived, and flourished, for thousands of years with the one goal of doing good as best they could. They built an order on service. Was it perfect? Nope. It was good, though.
Anakin spent his life serving himself. He betrayed everyone who ever really cared for him and helped him. He killed children. He was selfish and evil nearly from the start of adulthood. It was always about what he wanted. Narcissist.
I don't get this current fascination with wanting to tear down everything that's good while excusing evil.
@@mc.9839
You're really deluded.
Go read up Cienie-isengardu's articles on how "great" the Jedi Order are as caretakers and just who is responsible for Anakin's downfall.
Ignoring all that, the Sith literally just exist because the Jedi think they have a monopoly on dictating how the Force should be used and how people who wield it should live their lives.
If the Jedi were truly interested in freedom and helping people, the Outer Rim wouldn't be a cesspool of scum and villainy, the Hutts and Zygerrians wouldn't have entire interplanetary slaver empires, and Anakin, the "narcissist" as you call him, wouldn't have grown up a slave in one of them.
The Old Jedi past the first Jedi Order who opposed the Rakatans were never good. They just won, and their victory was as based on genocide, corruption and control as the Sith's were.
If they kept such a close eye on Anakin then how did the council miss the warning signs of his fall to the dark side?
They only cared to hold him back not to actually observe him
Heck im sure if anakin wasn't so powerful and prominent in the war they would've thought about kicking him out of the order for not being a brainless monkey following their stupid ideas of how a living feeling person should act like a robot without emotions
@@blu3d3vil97I think that misconception is down to Lucas not being a great writer and director.
They never wanted you to not feel and be a robot. I mean, it’s the opposite of that. To allow all emotions to be looked at, observed and felt through, much like is taught in meditation anyway.
So the Jedi should have been more openly joyful rather than so stoic, but I think it’s bad directing leading to wooden dialogue, Lucas trying to create tension, and not realising it’s makes the Jedi look emotionless, when they were supposed to be just not attached.
The Sith are really not well thought through - as they should be totally robotic (well they are bar passion - but that’s not exactly healthy).
They teach you to harness emotion to use it for a power amp. Well holding on to negative emotions (and let’s face it, they actively suppressed joy, happiness etc….). So they would have ended up heavy, emotionally wounded and just controlled by emotions…
(Actually maybe he got that one right)
@westington1 the sith would be right
They get rid of happy emotions and maintain only bad ones that lead to ruthless evil in self gain
How are u supposed to feel every emotion but not hold attachments?
I mean their own order is their attachment
Their own "dont attach" is attachment to something in the first place
@@blu3d3vil97 Well that’s Buddhist practise and belief. It also lines up with what psychology informed by neuroscience.
You process emotions by letting your body feel them. By doing so (most common way to do this is in a sort of mediation - put your body there, feel the feelings and they will get processed out)
Lucas talked about this, and how the Jedi way works to achieve this balance in yourself. It’s not denying emotions, it’s the opposite.
Attachment is different though. You attach yourself to people, to events etc, and you might try and control them which leads to suffering as things are not in our control.
In the Star Wars universe, this means that lack of attachment to things (you can live a person, but you need to be prepared to let them go), means you don’t get in the way of the will of the force.
Anakin fell because he wanted the power to stop the force, stop nature, from his wife dying.
The Sith actually suppress happiness etc (you can’t just get rid of emotions mate…..you can try and push them down, but they will cause unhappiness somewhere), and hold on to negative emotions to power themselves.
So I know Lucas isn’t clear here, but the Jedi absolutely feel - that’s the whole point.
The sith feel but don’t process things.
@@westington1 It's not Lucas' fault that most fans don't use their brains. The edgelords see the appeal of darksiders being able to do whatever they want, so they view the Jedi dogma as being oppressive. The pure irony is that the Jedi way truly promotes freedom since it guides individuals away from the pitfall of being enslaved by their baser impulses.
This channel is gold
Jedi Trials video please! I'd love to see it.
Anakin was never cut out to be a Jedi. He was far too human.
Yes, I would like a video on the Jedi trials
What you forgot to mention was the administrator of the republic communications complex looked a lot like Anakin’s mother. He was hoping by saving her he would find redemption after having lost his mother 🧑 on Tatooine. Unfortunately she died getting shot in the back and had died in his arms just like before with his mother 🧑.
…and Anakin went into a rage 😡.
You know something? I actually am a fan of the UA-cam prison genre and there’s 1 channel called Jay Williams: Let’s Live Life. On Jay’s channel there are two videos where Jay talks about inmates getting into tussles with really tough prisoners. 1 of these two stories (OR actually both of them) had a very cocky correctional officer. The difference in these stories is 1 of these was a militant, ex-military C.O. who quickly rose to the rank of Sergeant who thought his military experience literally made him tougher than all the inmates at the facility. The other C.O. who started things in his story was a rookie puffing his chest out. Well, both of them got theirs. No guess what happened to that rookie from that 1 story. But that ex-military CO, actually became a lieutenant for basically also receiving a Purple Heart (a Purple Heart is a badge that you receive if you survive a wound received during duty if you’re in something like the military. My maternal grandpa who was drafted for service in the U.S. Army during the Korean War received 1 of these). Now, while getting a Purple Heart is an admirable achievement, I don’t really believe it means it should be enough to ascend rank. And according to the storyteller, one of the other COs most likely told that 1 particular officer to leave this prisoner alone unless it really was mandatory that they transport him to isolation (apparently this prisoner was not following orders real well). Now, after the beating the cocky ex-military correctional officer received, he actually became worse towards other prisoners than he was before then. Prior to his beatdown, he would just act like a drill instructor (I actually think he was 1, as well) with a total “chip on his shoulder” with plenty of verbal abuse to go along with his militant attitude. After the beatdown, he actually didn’t do too much talking. The ex-military correctional officer, who was now a lieutenant at his current profession, was always quick to grab a prisoner and click the cuffs, just so to ensure that he would never suffer a humiliating beating like the 1 he recently received. Now moving on2 this channel’s primary subject of Star Wars: I like Anakin Skywalker a lot. But, I don’t think getting your first limb chopped off (that right there is a Purple Heart for a Jedi) should get you Knighthood (let alone without the trials [though I suppose pushing Asajj Ventress over the cliff is sufficient enough in it’s own way {though it doesn’t deserve the exposure of Obi-Wan taking away Maul’s lower body}]). Dooku, Anakin’s first maimer has quite a story as well, as does his legendary actor Christopher Lee (who’s known for playing villains such as Count Dracula and Saruman from Middle-Earth. I’ll discuss the latter a little later). Before Dooku was forced to flee his fight with Yoda, after he deactivated his lightsaber following the duel with Obi-Wan and Anakin, you’ll notice he looked a little “sad” and disappointed. Well, the 2nd word is most definitely true, but not the 1st 1. He might’ve been exasperated, thinking “Is this what my generation of the Jedi Order is offering in terms of dueling skills these days?” Well, we all know Yoda and Dooku’s (a.k.a. Darth Tyranus) Sith Master Palpatine (a.k.a. Darth Sidious) could beat the curved-hilt lightsaber wielding Count if they were asleep. Even Anakin caught up to Dooku eventually. Now, this story is interesting, from the day Dooku chopped off Anakin’s first limb, Darth Tyranus continued to have an arrogant, low opinion of the young Jedi Knight. He felt Anakin would’ve been better off with his remaining natural hand alone. Palpatine actually called Dooku out on this before his apprentice’s last duel. And speaking of Dooku’s final duel, the outcome is precious. Notice, the terrified look on Dooku’s face when he got BOTH his hands chopped off (yeah, I watch a bunch of these videos). Dooku’s mind was racing. This was extremely humbling for him and could at best b a life-changing event 4 him. He might have 2 consider abandoning his elitist personality. For he would b faced with a choice of A: Never wielding a lightsaber again (something he enjoyed) or B: Getting 2 robotic arms himself. Little did he know, until close 2 that very moment, these were all the least of his issues. Through Darth Sidious’s encouragement, Anakin basically replaced Darth Tyranus as Darth Sidious’s third apprentice: Darth Vader. Now, about Christopher Lee’s acting. The legendary actor who’s known for portraying villains also played a character in Middle-Earth known as Saruman. For those of us, who’ve seen The Fellowship of the Ring, we see Saruman hugging himself as if he was cold, after he was communicating with Sauron using an evil crystal ball object known as a Palantir. Communicating with Sauron using these (actually communicating with Sauron, period) is very taxing, not to mention toxic, on/to the body and the mind. That’s why Saruman basically was hugging himself in Fellowship, before those Orcs asked what were the orders from their master. Anyway, to end this long story: just because you get your arm hacked off, doesn’t mean you should ascend rank (in this case, go from Padawan to Knighthood). You should earn it. Yes, the Council should’ve acknowledged Anakin’s accomplishments in his training at the temple a little bit better. But, Geonosis is still not enough. Obi-Wan earned the right for Knighthood for the bisection of Maul. And I guess Anakin kinda earned the same thing by using the Force to have Asajj Ventress tumble off a cliff. Obi-Wan naturally supported his Padawan’s ascendance. Kit Fisto supported it (I actually respect Kit). And even jerky Ki-Adi-Mundi (who’s still more tolerable than Master Vrook [I am dreading the day that I might have to face him once I am ready to do a Dark Side playthrough of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords]).
For the videos on those prison stories check out these 2 videos on the channel of Jay Williams: Let's Live Life.
All The Guards Feared This Inmate (Except 1)
The Guards Couldn't Beat Him. He Took Them All On & Won (Or It Took 8 Guards To Take This Inmate Down)
Please a video about the Jedi trials!!
He wasn't ready yet. Its like being the prodigy star high school quarterback, but you are still a Sophomore/ Junior.
You're still not ready to graduate yet and move on to D-1 college.
Fantastic
1:18 ...correct me , if I get this wrong..thanks
so a *Jedi knight* , is not a master, and doesn't sit on the Elder Jedi Council.
A *Youngling* is similar to a Page attendant before becoming an Initiate ..
This is where the test to see if they have the force user gifts or not , as a baby.
An *Initiate* is similar to an Apprentice, to a knight ?
A *Padawan* is similar to a /or Squire , to a knight. ?
A *Jedi Knight* is like a warrior ,a medieval specialized foot soldier ?
A *Master* is above a Jedi Knight...similar to a 15th century Lord in england ?
Are only Masters , allowed to sit on the jedi council ??
Yoda & Windu are *Grandmaster Jedi's* ...similar to a formal executive head of the order ...compareable to Royalty or emperor status ?
If this correct comparison ??
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Does being Force Sensitive , compare to being Hi Born status like in england ?
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CAN YOU MAKE a VIDEO of the various RANKs in the SITH ORDER ??
Do they have padawans, learners, besides Master and Apprentice ??
Windu was not Grandmaster and most Knights were Consulars, not Guardians, so they weren't warriors. They had to become on during the Clone Wars, however, which is why there was such a large Jedi death toll during the war, especially in the first few months.
Anakin was, pround, arrogant, gifted & knowledgeable, but not wise patient & experienced enough, Obi-Wan was wise, experienced & humbled, that's why he defeated young Anakin & Vader. Vader didn't beat or kill Obi-Wan in SW'S A New Hope, Obi became one with the Force, so Obi had the high ground 2 times!!! 😉👍
Jedi Trials yes please!
To be fair the Ego thing was good reason.
Without even watching the video. Why would they knight Anakin after the battle of Geonosis, he technically defied an order from Master Windu/ the council on a technicality, ya it was Padmé who went to save Obiwan, but Anakin knew very well that the Jedi wanted her to get to safety and so he didnt mind using the loop hole, he then during the chase of Dooku wanted to stop the chase to check on Padmé after she fell out of the ship, willing to allow the new enemy leader of the CIS to escape all for personal reasons, something Obiwan without a doubt informed the council of after afterwards. And then he rushed off against Dooku offensively something the Jedi does not do, never attack, only defend. And then later on not only got defeated by Dooku but lost an arm during the fight, in the old days of the Jedi order, the final trial for a Jedi Padawan was to defeat a Sith lord. So i see zero reason they would grant him the rank of knight of that battle.
well he did beat Ventress on Yavin as a padawan she may not be dooku but she was an agent of the Dark Side, wouldn't that count as defeating a sith?
That was after Geonosis as i recall, and since Ventress was neither killed or captured it wouldnt count. The old trial was very specific, either kill the Sith, capture the Sith or if you are very strong in the light side, convert them to the Jedi order.@@ShamarJackson9276
All I understood here was the Richard Heads of the High Council holding Anakin to a different standard than everyone else.
you should do a video about the trails
Video on Jedi trials would be really cool
Well, they definitely made the right move to not knight him, especially since he murdered an entire Tusken Raider village because of his emotions earlier in the movie.
And lose his lightsaber
@@toasty2800 Not to mention, he also perused in a relationship with Padme and married her in secret.
That rule is only there so they don’t turn dark if anything happens to their special one, get blackmailed. But man the council can be cold sometimes
@@christopherbull7856 The council isn't "cold". The rules are in place to restrain the members of the organization from using their abilities for selfish or destructive ends. These ppl are capable of destroying entire civilizations, so there has to be rules in place to protect the rest of the galaxy from any potential abuse of power on their part.
I mean: he literally disobeyed them by going there, lost his arm for his own recklessness. And jeopardized the whole Dooku arrest by not listening to Obi Wan. But sure, knight him after that.
Anakin should have been raised to the rank of Knight after the battle of Geonosis. He still would have done the same thing in the events where that eventually got him knighted, but instead it would have made the council reevaluate if their strangle hold on his progress could end up pushing him to the dark side.
If that had happened, after the Battle of Coursant they would have granted him Master. Giving him the confidence to face Palpatine by himself whem he exposed himself. Preventing the slaughrer of the jedi order.
At least that's how I think it would have played out
I disagree, Anakin’s fall is not solely the fault of the council, it’s a large part his own.
He was far from the perfect Jedi or worthy of Knighthood or the rank of Master.
He can’t accept that because he lacks humility, he’s arrogant, he forms to strong of an attachment to things whether they be people or titles and he fears to lose them or what it means not to have it.
His own sense of self importance leads him to think he is fit to rule the galaxy, or that Padme will walk down this path with him and when she doesn’t he gets angry and reacts in anger.
People treat Anakin with kid gloves too much including the council in this instance, not that they didn’t fail him in other ways, but giving him everything he wants on his own terms im not convinced would have helped him.
@@rennyforyourthoughts8023 you sound like you have a very biased and uninformed perspective of Anakin's canon experience during his time as a Jedi. The council NEVER treated him with kid gloves, go read some of the books if you think that. There was hardly another Jedi of that era that they were more reluctant to acknowledge. On top of that he was literally bullied and shunned by the Jedi around him especially when it came to those of equal rank. Kenobi was his only friend until he got stuck with Ashoka someone HE didn't think he was ready for, and the council only pushed Ashoka onto him so hard as a means to test him. It wasn't until he saw who Ashoka was as a person that he realized that he was the best person to be her mentor because he understood her and understood what she was going to experience within the order thanks to her own talents and how that trait alienates Jedi from the order. That holds true going all the way back to Revan.
If the council had embraced Anakin's talents, had embraced Qui-Gon's recognition that Anakin was the person from the age old prophecy. If the average Jedi hadn't been so spiteful of his talents, he wouldn't have been vulnerable to Palpatine's corruption in the first place.
After all, children are a product of their parents PRIMARILY. Anakin's parents were the Jedi order. A place where he had 2 people whom appreciated and cared for him in a group of THOUSANDS. While the rest treated him like an outcast WELL before he had done ANYTHING considered leaning towards the Sith.
One can only be rejected by a group that they're already supposed to be a part of before they reject them right back.
You sound like the type of person who doesn't take accountability for how their own actions affect others, but are happy to point out the failings of another.
@@Zephyrt3mp3st that last paragraph is literally Anakin.
@@rennyforyourthoughts8023 lol another example of how you haven't done your research. Because one of the biggest things that kept Anakin on a leash and as Darth Vader instead of turning on the emperor when his darkness was revealed was his grief over the slaughter of the younglings at the Jedi temple. His self loathing consumed him. For someone who's seen as ignorant of his own actions, that takes a deep level of reflection.
But of course you missed that. For one to recognize the value of another's self reflection, they must be capable of it themselves.
Also you didn't bother refuting any other points in those MULTIPLE paragraphs. Why? Oh yea cause they're perfectly accurate.
He slaughtered a Tuskan tribe, whilst Yoda never knew Anakin's lack of humility and empathy oozed off of him. Thät is why he couldn't progress.
Anakin could and probably should have been knighted many times, but I do believe they waited too long.
A video about the jedi trials would be welcome.
If anyone can tell me pls if the 2003 clona war tv series is considered canon or legends, cause if it's cannon, then it was well documented how anakin obtained knighthood (if i mentioned something and it sounded ignorant, that's because i am)
I like the 2003 Clone Wars story of his knighting better. He was knighted after defeating Asajj Ventress on Yavin IV.
That's the thing with the elite of the elite choosing who can join them. ... They're essentially picking those worthy enough to go in battle with them in the most severe moments & ultimately watch their backs in life or death type of situations.
I can see why Anakin would have been impatient & aggravated, but it's also the clear reason why he wasn't getting what he wanted.
Plainly put, would you want someone that's always seeing himself as the star of the show having your back in a warzone sitch??
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Also, I've always thought that Yoda & the council should have worked more closely with Anakin. ... He needed a master that already figured out the same type of issues he was struggling with.
They just wanted another brick in the wall, not a strong willed individual whom they couldn't control. The Order was stale and fading but pretentious enough to make many leave their ranks and join Dooku. They were jealous of Anakin's gifts so they wanted to "drown his darkness" with their moral lectures and horrible use of psychology. Ironically, that's exactly what led to his fall to the dark side, or ascension to the Sith as Palpatine saw it. It turns out that Sidious was a far better teacher than anyone left in the Order.
Bottom line, the Jedi had it coming.
@@Charismaniac Sure, but it still makes perfect sense that despite his gifts Anakin was passed over so much. .... Regardless of fault his mentality didn't meet the standard.
@@OldHenryLee Thankfully, he broke the standards.
@@OldHenryLeeanakin had the back of everyone he ever fought alongside
Unlike the Jedi masters who didn't even back their own jedi
@@CharismaniacJesus……I mean the Jedi has their faults, but a lot is down to Lucas not being a good director.
Sidious manipulated Anakin and ruined his life thereafter - wanting to discard him aside like he was nothing for his son in return of the Jedi.
Weird to see so much hate for the Jedi online. The space Nazi’s were not the good guys……yet seems the blame is put on the jedi’s who’s intentions where always good.
Space Hitler seems to get a pass for manipulating the entire galaxy into all out war though, and destroying the life of Anakin for his own selfish reasons…..
It’s a tragic tale, but let’s not put the blame on the victims and hero’s ay. It’s made pretty fucking clear that the sith are the bad guys.
Lucas made a story of good vs evil. No more complex than that - modern audiences might not enjoy that sort of stuff anymore, but it’s a bit far to blame the Jedi for the rise of the evil empire ffs.
Please a detailed version
Make a video on the trials
The Jedi shafted Anakin his whole career.
Could you do a video on the jedi trials
He was always treated as an outsider quigon, padme and palpatine were the only ones that accepted him.
Yoda trained luke but still couldn't beat vader imagine if yoda had the same respect for anakin there would have never been a vader
#1 reason is because anakin hiding a secret of nutting repeatedly inside padme while its a known public knowledge from a legion of space wizard
Anakin didn't need knighthood then or earlier. He was not mature enough.
Obi-Wan Kenobi was ready to pass the formal Jedi trials. Qui-gon Jinn told him so. It was an easy decision for the Jedi Council.
Damn if being suicidal is all it takes to become a jedi knight I should be grand Master by now.
Jedi Trials Breakdown PLEASE!!!
would love a jedi trials video
Considering That Anakin survived the arena despite many knights losing their lives and then went on to at least survive an encounter with Dooku he probably should have been knighted after Geonosis
I think it might have something to do with his being an evil, whiny, narcissist.
Yes, let's see the Knight Trails.
The Council was wise to not let Anakin advance too quick, as Exar Kun was a prodigy of his own time, and his advancing too quickly turned him into a Sith, which Anakin did too.
There was more to it than that. Not just Padmé but also the the Jedi betrayal of his Padawan, his alienation within the Order, the deep mistrust the Council had of him, and the manipulations of Palpatine, and several other, smaller issues.
But what about the hundreds of other Padwans being Knighted early so the war? Anakin had much better feats and was far more skilled and powerful. Shows a personal bias against Anakin on behalf of the Jedi High Council.
No one ever mentions this. Nothing they could have done would have changed anything...
The prophecy was he would bring back balance to the force.
The jedi were a big group. Jus the council... yoda, mace, ki adi, etc etc so many names and unnamed jedi. And it was sidous, maul, and i guess dooku.
Anikan fullfilled the prophecy he bought the balance to the force... by the end of the purge the light and dark were balanced. Just not the way people wished.
This is the widely believed, but still false view of how Anakin brought balance. It didn't require him to wipe out both organizations. In fact, Anakin threw the Force further out of balance by helping Palpatine wipe out the Jedi. Anakin could've(and should've) very well fulfilled the prophecy as a Jedi by helping Mace eliminate Palpatine if he didn't allow Palpatine to deceive him.
@decepticonxhunter4850 that is your view on my view. But he brought it to balance. Jus like the force seems to not like SUPER weapons, the force also doesn't like either one side to dominate the other. The prophecy was fullfilled.fulfilled.
Edit for, I've heard my p.o.v from no one other than myself. No video or text.
They teased him, so he took a seat and threw it in their faces.
They should of communicated with him more and told him their concerns
Imagine if anakin was able to control the pull of the darkside and became a weilder of vaapad. How crazy strong he could have been.
Mace would have NEVER allowed that.
If he had mot rushed Dooku and had taken him captivate Anakin would likely have become a Jedi Knight, but rushing in just proves he was not ready. Indeed, if Master Yoda had not arrived when he did, Anakin could have died!
They shouldn't have told him he was the Chosen One. It wouldve removed so much arrogance he had.
He was knighted after the battle in the Red Blade novel.
so when did he become a jedi knight when
At least in canon it was within the first couple of months of the clone wars between the first battle of Geonosis and the battle of Christophsis. But I don't know the exact timing.
do you think on tales of the jedi will find out@@russelljohnson6267
To be honest with him becoming Darth Vader in the future, kind of makes me wish that they treated Anakin a lot better. Maybe not special treatment but just better than they did because it's almost like they went out of their way to ostracize him
Yoda would have mangled him during AOTC with the force alone
I think had Anakin not rushed Dooku and shown restraint. Then he possibly could have been knighted after Geonosis. I still think that they would have lost to Dooku.