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Fun fact, but when Frieren says “1 down” after killing the first demon, she uses the Japanese counter for animals versus the Japanese counter for people. So it’s more like “1 animal/beast down.” Instead of one enemy or person.
Fun fact “Souso no Frieren” is the name of the anime in Japan. At first it means Frieren at the funeral, but after this episode; it shows the other meaning. Frieren the Slayer
@@milesprower6110 tbh, this one isn't really a bad translation, atleast it makes sense. A prime example of bad translation would be how the official translation of jjk manga came up with mahoraga, and now the whole fandom uses that wrong name.
@@soumyajitmandal6028 people doing "corrections" thinking that they know better than a native person is so hilarious really. And worse with no funny if they place their political opinions in the "translations"
As someone with Asperger's: I get what you guys are going for in the discussion and you're pretty much nailing some major points. These demons are very well-written as creatures that don't struggle to understand people (like those with asperger's would), they simply don't try, and that's the dividing factor that makes them good villains. As they said, they don't use human language to understand humans. They're just using it to their own benefit. I love this show and honestly I mostly relate to Frieren herself. Not quite getting others, but trying anyway. It hits home. And that makes villains like these pop.
Frieren specialized Zoltrak into a demon killing magic, then spread it among every mage so much that it officially became the "ordinary offensive magic". Technically she secretly turned every mage into a demon killing specialist, she hate the demons that much
She and flamme devoted their whole lives at one point to take em out and frieren did what flamme said, her party defeated the king. I think only after frieren accomplished that long goal she realized there was other things to live for. Unfortunately when she realized they were nearly all gone. This is why this anime became top 5 already for me. That and many other reasons
I mean there's also the just increibly literal read of: Zoltrak = slayer of man. It's the literal translation of the spells name. So Lugner going "that's not Zoltrak," can very literally be, "that's not a spell for killing man, it's a spell for killing demons."
It's also possible that the Zoltraak she taught to Fern was one she modified specifically for killing demons. If every human mage used that specific version than it wouldn't make sense that it's a new revelation that it's been turned into a demon-killing magic. They would have realized it over the past few decades that humans have also been using that modified spell in their magic system.
Spoiler: The clone Frieren from the magik test also used the human killing version of zoltraak (the black version) so she also knows the original one that's specialized for killing humans. She has mastered that spell
flammel 😭 I find it amusing how people often wonder if demons could turn good, which is exactly the kind of human thinking that demons take advantage of. They truly are the ultimate predators.
When humans see human features in animals, they feel empathy towards them. Thus one of the biggest reasons dogs and cats were domesticated. The most devious Demons formed themselves to look more humanoid so they would appeal to that empathy. Human speech was another aspect of that. All to help them prey on humans easier.
@@kiryukaimemoriali have to mention tho abt cats, they essentialy domesicated themselves lol unlike dogs where human domesticated from Wolf. So every human settlement have foods, crops etc that attract rodents, and cats eat rodents. So they see : oh wow, what is this place ? food everywhere, then they just...came into human settlement and tadaa, now we have house cats.
@@gethina-come7885 I wasn't getting into the history of how they slinked their way into human lives, I meant more of the fact that we keep them as pets. but sure. wolves smelled food, too. just like every other animal who comes into contact with humans. we just gravitate towards dogs and cats cuz they tend to express human features sometimes.
The thing with Zoltrak is that Demons only stoped at "dealing with it": since they mostly use their own magic, they didnt bother to learn it, only counter it. Humans (and Frieren), on the other hand, developed the shield spell and also modified Zoktrak for their use, now aimed to killing Demons, that's why the demons didnt have a counter for this new version.
I think the version of Zoltraak that Frieren taught Fern is perhaps one she specifically developed, and isn't the version that's largely propagated human kinds magic system. Otherwise, I imagine they would have long discovered that the spell had been modified to specifically deal with them, and he wouldn't be surprised by a spell that's been used against them for decades now.
Good gravy the music in this episode! The score in the last segment where Lugner remembers who Frieren is up to Frieren descending to the field still gives me chills every time I hear it. The combo of that music and the cinematography really builds Frieren's badass status so superbly.
It absolutely gave me chills when I first watched and heard him bring out the title "Souso no Frieren"!!! The next one is so on fire can't wait to see the reaction!😍
Even the demons resembling humans is probably just an evolutionary thing that let them get closer to their prey. I doubt they're even considered "humanoid" like humans/elves/dwarves. They're just a completely different thing which is why Frieren doesn't attempt to let them atone. To be fair in this world the entire cast is pretty comfortable killing creatures for food or even just due to a potential danger for someone else - we see that in practically every episode.
Right, and obviously not all demons even look human. Qual didn't look human, and the guy in the brief flashback at the beginning of ep. 7 looked even less human. Frieren literally explained that "demon" is a categorical term for "monsters capable of human speech" in this world. They're fundamentally monsters.
I liked the way y’all started this episode, idk if y’all have done this before but the structure helps with captivating people’s attention pretty quick
Re: Frieren vs. demon psychology - The thing about Frieren is that a WHOLE LOT of her personality really isn't because she's an elf. You've seen a few episodes ahead now so you know enough of her backstory to know that she did not have a normal life, even for an elf (if they can be said to have such a thing since the rise of the Demon King). Literally everyone she knew was murdered in front of her when she was a child, then she spent 50-ish years learning "magic for vengeance," then she spent roughly 1000 years in near-total isolation. If she lacked empathy, it was a trauma response. Demons, on the other hand, just don't have that wiring. They don't have empathy for each other; they certainly don't have it for their food. Any "society" they have is based on weaker demons doing what they have to do in order to survive under the whims of stronger demons. To put it in terms of stuff we've seen on the show: the demon girl (and really, we don't know how old she was, she may have just looked like a child) didn't offer a replacement daughter out of a desire to make amends. She did that to appease a group that she knew could kill her because she was alone. If there were ever going to be peace with demons, it would have to be on those terms. Humanity would have to approach from a position of overwhelming strength, not empathy and common cause, because demons literally cannot recognize those things.
to make more clear differences, I think it should be necessary to separate made demons and true demons. Demons that "turns good" are just stories from optimistic people, disney like stories or humans turned into demons like in Demon Slayer who can show still human aspects and reactions. While true demons like in Frieren or original folklore have no room for emotional thinking and have only one goal, devour you. FrIeren is not like a demon, she does have emotions, elves does indeed in contrast to demons, it's just that Frieren is the personality type who is mostly poker face (Kuudere) but they internally do feel emotions, only showing them clearly in very excited situations such as when Frieren regrets not spending more time with Himel or when she got access to the books from the dragon's nest.
There's nothing wrong with Zenitsu. He's just scared, it's a normal human reaction. He values his life so he gets overcome by fear. Yet he still gets the job done
@@floofy117 that can all be true while also being annoying, there are other people in the show who are just as afraid as him but are not constantly screeching comic reliefs
@@0927kira i don't know if you've completed the manga or just watched the animé so far but his character is necessary the way he is in order for his character development after the hashira training arc to be more significant. He's not as annoying as Bell Cramel crying and pleading with every single enemy he faces trying to force them to explain "why" they're doing bad things ("Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon" in case you don't know who Bell is)
@@floofy117 we don't really need to deep dive with Zenitsu, you can't change the fact that he screeches and is loud and is 1 dimensional for the most part of the show and that already makes him annoying for most people. I didn't say he was weak or he doesn't have a back story, he is just loud and unfunny for me. Even if he gets a redemption, it doesn't change the fact that he was annoying for me. You don't find him annoying but I find him annoying, those are just the truths.
12:20 Fun little detail. Demons become ash when they die within several seconds, but Frieren is standing on a PILE of demon corpses... implying they all died immediately and so quickly that she had time enough to descend and land on them.
TITLE DROP! "Sousou no Frieren" has multiple meanings! Frieren at the Funeral, Frieren the Undertaker, Frieren at the End, etc. She's killed so many demons that she got a title for sending them to their funerals.
Btw, I'm sure ppl have already mentioned this, but the Demons in Frieren's world aren't human-like creatures as much as predators that have taken human form. Trying to convince a demon not to hunt humans is like trying to convince a tiger not to hunt. U might luck out with 1 or 2 exceptional cases, but most of the time they'll follow their instincts and kill.
I think its important to remember that comparison is consideration of similarities and dissimilarities, and so can involve nuance and context. For example, Frieren can appear cold and detached at times, but is that because she is long lived? Or is it more of a personality variable? Like some people can seem detached, if they are extremely laid back and chill, and good at processing trauma or emotions well. Some people can seem detached, if they are struggling, depressed, and struggling with processing trauma or emotions. Some people can seem detached, if they tend to think and process information in a different way, which seems to go against what some consider typical or normal, which may also involve cultural or familiarity variables. Some people can seem detached, because the way their brains and chemicals interact, make their priorities different, and thats before we even start to explore concepts around "beings" that lack "brains" and are wired different physiologically.
I'm very excited for 9-10, I think they're the best episodes in the series. 9 is fucking awesome, and 10 IMO is one of the best episodes of anime ever, definitely top 5.
Frieren took Zoltrak and modified it to be specialized to kill demons, that's why Quals last words were "my spell" because she took and twisted his spell
Beside empathy demons seems to struggle of the concept of right and wrong, good and evil. Their mindset seem closer to animals in the wild and their primary instinct seems to revolve around predation and the pursuit of "their" magic. Demons are explored a bit more later on, maybe in season 2 if it's another 28 ep.
The way I see the demons is they look like humans but are nothing like humans in their minds. You could teach them everything about living with people. But the moment it is to their benefit/convenient and they think they won't get caught they will kill because that is their instinct.
So one thing that should not be mixed. The Seven Sages of Destruction are a squad of 7 powerful great demon. The Qual is not a sage of destruction. He was a Sage of Corruption. An completely different squad. There are more great demons with other titles. But the Seven sages are more or less main squad of demon of the demonking.
Come on, you guys too? Like most reactors you looked at the title which is obviously a spoiler + kinda ruins the ending of that episode. Your moderators (if you have some) did a reeeally bad job. I really don't understand why ... especially for a REACTION channel
14:02 - You'll see what Frieren can actually do - like in FULL-mod - closer to the end. When the challenges in a certain dungeon begin... but we won't spoil it. :)
As far as we know, the question should not be wether demons can be good but rather can humans and demons coexists together regardless. Is there a way for demons to come to understand that hunting humans is too resource intensive and is not worth it in the end. But we do not know all that much about demon kind for now so all we can do is guess. I personaly like to entertain the idea that human and demon can coexist because demons ARE inteligent enough to learn new things, even without any feelings like empathy they can still learn to take a different path in life.
A related issue there being whether humans can co-exist with other _humans_ to begin with, which, the existence of bandits and conflicts outside of those with monsters imply the answer to lean towards ‘no.’ Throwing demons into the mix and expecting them to catch distinctions _before_ they do something they’ll get targeted over, is a bad bet.
Great points. With your last point, I like to consider that too. There are some barriers that tend to exist to consider, at least as far as overcoming them, like i think the setting is a huge variable to consider. In human prehistoric times, survival was tougher, knowledge was much less than it is in modern times, how people might treat people with what we would call a disorder, would be different. No understanding of how humans operate in depth would be common, no infrastructure to help people. In modern times, the potential for humanity to help those in need is far superior. Still not perfect and it will be likely much better in the future as well. Demons could potentially coexist well with humans, if they are taught well and learn and understand the benefits of coexistence. Even if they may not have any natural or intuitive empathy. There are many animals on Earth that lack human morality, that sort of can coexist with us, a little, albeit its usually us, the humans that need to be worried about in many such exchanges. Another variable is the power dynamics. Demons on average seem far more powerful than most humans. Even if a population of humans, were more physically robust, powerful, long lived, that would be a recipe for conflict, but you add in a lack of naturally occurring empathy, and replace it with a more natural intuitive sense for preying on that creature as a predator, and one that can also lure and deceive your prey? Which is kind of why Frieren sort of exists in such a world, along with a few notable powerful humans, elves, etc. Some of these individuals can sort of balance the power enough to offset it. Power enough to retaliate, but not necessarily powerful enough to necessarily turn the other cheek for long enough for demons to realise such acts are pointless (or consider the dynamic between a parent and child, and how children can act out, but parents shouldn't, and should try to teach).
That was Qual, who created Zoltraak, that they couldn't defeat and had to seal. Aura took an L against the Hero's party and managed to escape. Also remember she didn't come out of hiding until right after Himmel passed away. Why that was, you can make an educated guess lol.
You should really stop acting as if ordinary offensive magic is the weakest type and is a flex to kill the enemies using it. Its ordinary because everyone uses it, not because its weak. The sole reason that shield magic exist was to be able to stop zoltrack from being a one hit kill against most humanoid enemies. But its still an OP laser that can go thru anything that is not shielded. And remember that the shield uses way more magic than the laser.
Way ahead? By the time you'll finish watching this there will probably be S2 🥲🤦♂️ Watching 1ep/week of a backlog anime is bullcrap, you're just buying time. Also Himmel died 50 years after coming back from a 10 year quest where they sealed Qual and this is 30 years after Himmel's death, so Qual was sealed 80-90 years, but we dont know how far before that he developed Zoltrac. Geez🤦♂️
Unlike the embarrassment that is Rings of Power, in which orcs - spawn of Morgoth and inherently evil - have loving wifes and kids, Frieren shows how to actually deal with evil.
you know i never get why people use praising another IP as a way to crap on a different IP but its really odd in this case considering that Tolkien himself really struggle with the idea of an inheritably evil race since it contrasted with his own catholic beliefs and he constantly went back and forth and whether orcs had souls and if they did could they be redeem.
@@massmedia7158yeah nothing says nuanced deep writing like Saturday morning cartoon villians who are born evil and just want to attack humans. This show becoming so many’s 1# anime in history is nuts to me sometimes. Not that it’s bad. I like it but I swear people discuss it like the power system is hxh levels deep and the world is the most creative surpassing one piece in world building expansion and like they didn’t just do the chuninn exams/hunter exams in half the series. I get that many anime fans say they relate to being emotionless like frieren even when I think it’s just being shy not emotionaless and that frieren isn’t emotionless. But dang sometimes I fell like for all the hate for rings of power and love for frieren etc (I know frieren is better don’t get me wrong) I am watching another series. Like surju who is usually slower to hype train hop talked about how hearing a character is scared but that’s true courage was mind blowing writing he never heard before and I’m like that was said in Naruto, one piece, aot, etc it’s a common trope. And don’t get me started on the constant comparisons to demon slayer and how zenetsu to frieren fans is a bad version of stark. They aren’t supposed to be doing the same type of story arc development. It screams of people ignoring that we haven’t seen zenetsu full arc and that people compare like this. Goku is a better superman 😮 like people can be similar but very different. No need to knock series down to prop another it never ends cause one show always has features someone else thinks are flaws. Jjk fights and power system hard magic to frieren fans it’s trash cause it’s not slow and melancholy about slice of life. Jjk fans watching naruto. It’s slow and doesn’t have detailed power system with a one hit special. Naruto to one piece fans. One pice is too wacky etc. just like what you like I guess. Still can’t wrap my head around where people say frieren has monster level deep writing and trash on AoT for having bad writing or hxh or whatever is a popular series they bounce off. Oh well.
@@nichescenes yea and using tolkian of all people to promote the use of an all evil race is just odd considering that he probably be asking the same questions that the normies are about the demons in frieren. Comparisions are fair though and to be honest we can't help but compare media because it allows us to understand a story better when you can see how it contrast another story. for example you are right how the power system in ferieren isn't that deep. its not. very soft magic system with very little rules compare to lets say full metal alchemist and can pretty much do whatever the plot needs. you can also give any character almost any power set thanks to it and it would make sense. on the other hand if i was to compare ferieren magic exam arc to naruto's chuninn i would say the biggest contrast for me at least is how little frieren and fern care about the exam. unlike most shonen stories, the MCs don't really want to take it or get the benefits of winning it and this reflects in how they approach it and how very little stakes we feel during it. i mean the biggest threat to ferieren was a clone of herself. The arc really felt like an excuse to flesh out frieren's relationship with her master and grand master (the orange hair lady and the other elf, can't remember their names.). that's why to me it feels so different. its basically a side quest with no stakes instead of a dangerous obstacle for the MCs to advance and get closer to their goals and dreams.
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4:32 there's a bug on your wall
Demons are psychopaths because they evolved from monsters, they can never develop empathy. Frieren is neurodivergent.
Fun fact, but when Frieren says “1 down” after killing the first demon, she uses the Japanese counter for animals versus the Japanese counter for people. So it’s more like “1 animal/beast down.” Instead of one enemy or person.
yo..i just realise it...ippiki.
@@druegnor1703what would she have said if she was saying 1 person
@@ErikTheOrphan Hitori probably
Fun fact “Souso no Frieren” is the name of the anime in Japan. At first it means Frieren at the funeral, but after this episode; it shows the other meaning. Frieren the Slayer
Pulling the classic japanese Shingeki no Kyojin
@@xRakanishu That's why you never let bad localizators do translations
@@milesprower6110 tbh, this one isn't really a bad translation, atleast it makes sense.
A prime example of bad translation would be how the official translation of jjk manga came up with mahoraga, and now the whole fandom uses that wrong name.
@@soumyajitmandal6028 people doing "corrections" thinking that they know better than a native person is so hilarious really. And worse with no funny if they place their political opinions in the "translations"
@@milesprower6110but thats not a bad translation tho
As someone with Asperger's: I get what you guys are going for in the discussion and you're pretty much nailing some major points. These demons are very well-written as creatures that don't struggle to understand people (like those with asperger's would), they simply don't try, and that's the dividing factor that makes them good villains. As they said, they don't use human language to understand humans. They're just using it to their own benefit. I love this show and honestly I mostly relate to Frieren herself. Not quite getting others, but trying anyway. It hits home. And that makes villains like these pop.
Frieren specialized Zoltrak into a demon killing magic, then spread it among every mage so much that it officially became the "ordinary offensive magic". Technically she secretly turned every mage into a demon killing specialist, she hate the demons that much
Demon literally took her entire family + settlement lifes, so it is understandable
She and flamme devoted their whole lives at one point to take em out and frieren did what flamme said, her party defeated the king. I think only after frieren accomplished that long goal she realized there was other things to live for. Unfortunately when she realized they were nearly all gone. This is why this anime became top 5 already for me. That and many other reasons
I mean there's also the just increibly literal read of: Zoltrak = slayer of man. It's the literal translation of the spells name. So Lugner going "that's not Zoltrak," can very literally be, "that's not a spell for killing man, it's a spell for killing demons."
It's also possible that the Zoltraak she taught to Fern was one she modified specifically for killing demons. If every human mage used that specific version than it wouldn't make sense that it's a new revelation that it's been turned into a demon-killing magic. They would have realized it over the past few decades that humans have also been using that modified spell in their magic system.
Spoiler:
The clone Frieren from the magik test also used the human killing version of zoltraak (the black version) so she also knows the original one that's specialized for killing humans. She has mastered that spell
flammel 😭
I find it amusing how people often wonder if demons could turn good, which is exactly the kind of human thinking that demons take advantage of. They truly are the ultimate predators.
Lol never thought of that
When humans see human features in animals, they feel empathy towards them. Thus one of the biggest reasons dogs and cats were domesticated. The most devious Demons formed themselves to look more humanoid so they would appeal to that empathy. Human speech was another aspect of that. All to help them prey on humans easier.
It's largely the influence of other anime that causes this reaction
@@kiryukaimemoriali have to mention tho abt cats, they essentialy domesicated themselves lol unlike dogs where human domesticated from Wolf. So every human settlement have foods, crops etc that attract rodents, and cats eat rodents. So they see : oh wow, what is this place ? food everywhere, then they just...came into human settlement and tadaa, now we have house cats.
@@gethina-come7885 I wasn't getting into the history of how they slinked their way into human lives, I meant more of the fact that we keep them as pets. but sure. wolves smelled food, too. just like every other animal who comes into contact with humans. we just gravitate towards dogs and cats cuz they tend to express human features sometimes.
Flamme's spell still owning demons 1000 years later is amazing lol.
Also can't wait for next 2 episodes
The thing with Zoltrak is that Demons only stoped at "dealing with it": since they mostly use their own magic, they didnt bother to learn it, only counter it.
Humans (and Frieren), on the other hand, developed the shield spell and also modified Zoktrak for their use, now aimed to killing Demons, that's why the demons didnt have a counter for this new version.
Yup exactly and demons value power over everything else in their hierarchy so they have no need for power that isn't their own.
I think the version of Zoltraak that Frieren taught Fern is perhaps one she specifically developed, and isn't the version that's largely propagated human kinds magic system. Otherwise, I imagine they would have long discovered that the spell had been modified to specifically deal with them, and he wouldn't be surprised by a spell that's been used against them for decades now.
Good gravy the music in this episode! The score in the last segment where Lugner remembers who Frieren is up to Frieren descending to the field still gives me chills every time I hear it. The combo of that music and the cinematography really builds Frieren's badass status so superbly.
It absolutely gave me chills when I first watched and heard him bring out the title "Souso no Frieren"!!!
The next one is so on fire can't wait to see the reaction!😍
Frieren the Slayer is the perfect title for Frieren
Even the demons resembling humans is probably just an evolutionary thing that let them get closer to their prey. I doubt they're even considered "humanoid" like humans/elves/dwarves. They're just a completely different thing which is why Frieren doesn't attempt to let them atone. To be fair in this world the entire cast is pretty comfortable killing creatures for food or even just due to a potential danger for someone else - we see that in practically every episode.
Right, and obviously not all demons even look human. Qual didn't look human, and the guy in the brief flashback at the beginning of ep. 7 looked even less human. Frieren literally explained that "demon" is a categorical term for "monsters capable of human speech" in this world. They're fundamentally monsters.
I liked the way y’all started this episode, idk if y’all have done this before but the structure helps with captivating people’s attention pretty quick
Next couple of episodes are gonna be 🔥
7:54 "Sometimes the wise ones wove their magic into living plants, so as the plant grew, so grew the magic."
Frieren is just cold like that.
Always appreciate the positive vibes Suraj brings in the intros
"Somebody beat my ass like this before... was it... no way..."
Re: Frieren vs. demon psychology - The thing about Frieren is that a WHOLE LOT of her personality really isn't because she's an elf. You've seen a few episodes ahead now so you know enough of her backstory to know that she did not have a normal life, even for an elf (if they can be said to have such a thing since the rise of the Demon King). Literally everyone she knew was murdered in front of her when she was a child, then she spent 50-ish years learning "magic for vengeance," then she spent roughly 1000 years in near-total isolation. If she lacked empathy, it was a trauma response.
Demons, on the other hand, just don't have that wiring. They don't have empathy for each other; they certainly don't have it for their food. Any "society" they have is based on weaker demons doing what they have to do in order to survive under the whims of stronger demons. To put it in terms of stuff we've seen on the show: the demon girl (and really, we don't know how old she was, she may have just looked like a child) didn't offer a replacement daughter out of a desire to make amends. She did that to appease a group that she knew could kill her because she was alone. If there were ever going to be peace with demons, it would have to be on those terms. Humanity would have to approach from a position of overwhelming strength, not empathy and common cause, because demons literally cannot recognize those things.
Super fun and excitement in these episodes. Much to learn and discover too. Keep it up, can't wait for the next couple
Next ep has some of the raddest fight animation in recent memory.
to make more clear differences, I think it should be necessary to separate made demons and true demons. Demons that "turns good" are just stories from optimistic people, disney like stories or humans turned into demons like in Demon Slayer who can show still human aspects and reactions. While true demons like in Frieren or original folklore have no room for emotional thinking and have only one goal, devour you.
FrIeren is not like a demon, she does have emotions, elves does indeed in contrast to demons, it's just that Frieren is the personality type who is mostly poker face (Kuudere) but they internally do feel emotions, only showing them clearly in very excited situations such as when Frieren regrets not spending more time with Himel or when she got access to the books from the dragon's nest.
stark is like the better and non-annoying version of zenitsu
There's nothing wrong with Zenitsu. He's just scared, it's a normal human reaction. He values his life so he gets overcome by fear. Yet he still gets the job done
@@floofy117 that can all be true while also being annoying, there are other people in the show who are just as afraid as him but are not constantly screeching comic reliefs
@@0927kira i don't know if you've completed the manga or just watched the animé so far but his character is necessary the way he is in order for his character development after the hashira training arc to be more significant. He's not as annoying as Bell Cramel crying and pleading with every single enemy he faces trying to force them to explain "why" they're doing bad things ("Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon" in case you don't know who Bell is)
@@floofy117 we don't really need to deep dive with Zenitsu, you can't change the fact that he screeches and is loud and is 1 dimensional for the most part of the show and that already makes him annoying for most people. I didn't say he was weak or he doesn't have a back story, he is just loud and unfunny for me.
Even if he gets a redemption, it doesn't change the fact that he was annoying for me.
You don't find him annoying but I find him annoying, those are just the truths.
@@0927kira it makes him annoying for you. You don't speak for most people. It's your opinion and that's okay.
Virgin Demon slayer: can't kill a demon for episodes
Chad Frieren slayer: Destroys demon in 5 seconds.
12:20 Fun little detail. Demons become ash when they die within several seconds, but Frieren is standing on a PILE of demon corpses... implying they all died immediately and so quickly that she had time enough to descend and land on them.
TITLE DROP! "Sousou no Frieren" has multiple meanings!
Frieren at the Funeral, Frieren the Undertaker, Frieren at the End, etc.
She's killed so many demons that she got a title for sending them to their funerals.
Btw, I'm sure ppl have already mentioned this, but the Demons in Frieren's world aren't human-like creatures as much as predators that have taken human form. Trying to convince a demon not to hunt humans is like trying to convince a tiger not to hunt. U might luck out with 1 or 2 exceptional cases, but most of the time they'll follow their instincts and kill.
Aura: "Why Do I hear boss music?"
[Frieren Enters]
🎵 Let the bodies hit the floor🎵
Stark got that [Dynamic Entry] 🤘
I think its important to remember that comparison is consideration of similarities and dissimilarities, and so can involve nuance and context. For example, Frieren can appear cold and detached at times, but is that because she is long lived? Or is it more of a personality variable?
Like some people can seem detached, if they are extremely laid back and chill, and good at processing trauma or emotions well. Some people can seem detached, if they are struggling, depressed, and struggling with processing trauma or emotions. Some people can seem detached, if they tend to think and process information in a different way, which seems to go against what some consider typical or normal, which may also involve cultural or familiarity variables. Some people can seem detached, because the way their brains and chemicals interact, make their priorities different, and thats before we even start to explore concepts around "beings" that lack "brains" and are wired different physiologically.
6:25 I never thought the "What would Himmel do?" phrase can be used sarcastically ...
flamme was 1000 years ago and flamme was humen and himmel and the party was 80 years ago
She also uses the counter for animals not humans when she kills that demon in the beginning. A nice touch to reinforce how she sees demons
You can't trust demons in this world!
5:15 NOT THE BUG IN THE BACKGROUND
you will see how strong frieren is soon
6:49 Peek = BOMBASTIC SIDEYE 👀
I'm very excited for 9-10, I think they're the best episodes in the series. 9 is fucking awesome, and 10 IMO is one of the best episodes of anime ever, definitely top 5.
BRO I CAN'T WAIT FOR EPISODE 9 AND 10
The way this dude plays with his hair...I can't
all these talks about demons will make season 2 more epic
Frieren took Zoltrak and modified it to be specialized to kill demons, that's why Quals last words were "my spell" because she took and twisted his spell
Great reaction!
I'm with Chris on the demon question.
Frieren The Slayer is such a hard fucking sobriquet to have.
can't wait for the next reaction
God damn I love this show
Beside empathy demons seems to struggle of the concept of right and wrong, good and evil. Their mindset seem closer to animals in the wild and their primary instinct seems to revolve around predation and the pursuit of "their" magic. Demons are explored a bit more later on, maybe in season 2 if it's another 28 ep.
Cant wait for the next one. If you know you know
i need moreeeeeeee
The way I see the demons is they look like humans but are nothing like humans in their minds. You could teach them everything about living with people. But the moment it is to their benefit/convenient and they think they won't get caught they will kill because that is their instinct.
So one thing that should not be mixed. The Seven Sages of Destruction are a squad of 7 powerful great demon. The Qual is not a sage of destruction. He was a Sage of Corruption. An completely different squad. There are more great demons with other titles. But the Seven sages are more or less main squad of demon of the demonking.
Come on, you guys too? Like most reactors you looked at the title which is obviously a spoiler + kinda ruins the ending of that episode. Your moderators (if you have some) did a reeeally bad job. I really don't understand why ... especially for a REACTION channel
Demon are individualist, when the demon king gone everyone pretty much just scattered
When did suraj get that fabulous
Any of you paterons subs know if they have started reacting to the bad batch yet
and frieren was who froze qwal and she was the one who killed him as well
And this is how it should be in this world. I'm sorry but there isn't no talk, you're not eating me today bye bye
Not much to point out, except the attack that Frieren used to defend herself, doesn't look like a spell does it? Keep that in mind.
Souso no Frieren 😮💨
Three words: Evan. Fucking. Call.
When are you guys reacting to Star Wars the bad batch
14:02 - You'll see what Frieren can actually do - like in FULL-mod - closer to the end. When the challenges in a certain dungeon begin... but we won't spoil it. :)
Guys there are 2 mage elf is powerful youll meet the other one soon❤
Frieren the doom slayer
As far as we know, the question should not be wether demons can be good but rather can humans and demons coexists together regardless. Is there a way for demons to come to understand that hunting humans is too resource intensive and is not worth it in the end. But we do not know all that much about demon kind for now so all we can do is guess. I personaly like to entertain the idea that human and demon can coexist because demons ARE inteligent enough to learn new things, even without any feelings like empathy they can still learn to take a different path in life.
A related issue there being whether humans can co-exist with other _humans_ to begin with, which, the existence of bandits and conflicts outside of those with monsters imply the answer to lean towards ‘no.’
Throwing demons into the mix and expecting them to catch distinctions _before_ they do something they’ll get targeted over, is a bad bet.
Great points. With your last point, I like to consider that too. There are some barriers that tend to exist to consider, at least as far as overcoming them, like i think the setting is a huge variable to consider. In human prehistoric times, survival was tougher, knowledge was much less than it is in modern times, how people might treat people with what we would call a disorder, would be different. No understanding of how humans operate in depth would be common, no infrastructure to help people. In modern times, the potential for humanity to help those in need is far superior. Still not perfect and it will be likely much better in the future as well. Demons could potentially coexist well with humans, if they are taught well and learn and understand the benefits of coexistence. Even if they may not have any natural or intuitive empathy. There are many animals on Earth that lack human morality, that sort of can coexist with us, a little, albeit its usually us, the humans that need to be worried about in many such exchanges.
Another variable is the power dynamics. Demons on average seem far more powerful than most humans. Even if a population of humans, were more physically robust, powerful, long lived, that would be a recipe for conflict, but you add in a lack of naturally occurring empathy, and replace it with a more natural intuitive sense for preying on that creature as a predator, and one that can also lure and deceive your prey? Which is kind of why Frieren sort of exists in such a world, along with a few notable powerful humans, elves, etc. Some of these individuals can sort of balance the power enough to offset it. Power enough to retaliate, but not necessarily powerful enough to necessarily turn the other cheek for long enough for demons to realise such acts are pointless (or consider the dynamic between a parent and child, and how children can act out, but parents shouldn't, and should try to teach).
In the previous wepisode they mentioned they fought aura the guillotine amd they could not defeat her
as for The sage of corruptions it was 80 yrs ago i think?
That was Qual, who created Zoltraak, that they couldn't defeat and had to seal. Aura took an L against the Hero's party and managed to escape. Also remember she didn't come out of hiding until right after Himmel passed away. Why that was, you can make an educated guess lol.
@@Hikari5x maybe she was smitten by Himmel's charms and had to wait for that "ba-BAKA!" to pass away 😂
hopefully they react to daryl dixon s2
Navi 💜
She's really pretty and that vest really suits her
Your Patreon is the hardest to use Jesus Christ
Please figure it out I want to support you but you’re making it hard
Where the fuckin bleach reaction 😭😭
Really,bro.I can't wait too😅
You should really stop acting as if ordinary offensive magic is the weakest type and is a flex to kill the enemies using it. Its ordinary because everyone uses it, not because its weak. The sole reason that shield magic exist was to be able to stop zoltrack from being a one hit kill against most humanoid enemies. But its still an OP laser that can go thru anything that is not shielded. And remember that the shield uses way more magic than the laser.
no bleach?
Stark is better at being Zenitsu than Zenitsu.
Where is bleach?
Way ahead? By the time you'll finish watching this there will probably be S2 🥲🤦♂️
Watching 1ep/week of a backlog anime is bullcrap, you're just buying time.
Also Himmel died 50 years after coming back from a 10 year quest where they sealed Qual and this is 30 years after Himmel's death, so Qual was sealed 80-90 years, but we dont know how far before that he developed Zoltrac. Geez🤦♂️
Unlike the embarrassment that is Rings of Power, in which orcs - spawn of Morgoth and inherently evil - have loving wifes and kids, Frieren shows how to actually deal with evil.
you know i never get why people use praising another IP as a way to crap on a different IP but its really odd in this case considering that Tolkien himself really struggle with the idea of an inheritably evil race since it contrasted with his own catholic beliefs and he constantly went back and forth and whether orcs had souls and if they did could they be redeem.
@@massmedia7158yeah nothing says nuanced deep writing like Saturday morning cartoon villians who are born evil and just want to attack humans. This show becoming so many’s 1# anime in history is nuts to me sometimes. Not that it’s bad. I like it but I swear people discuss it like the power system is hxh levels deep and the world is the most creative surpassing one piece in world building expansion and like they didn’t just do the chuninn exams/hunter exams in half the series. I get that many anime fans say they relate to being emotionless like frieren even when I think it’s just being shy not emotionaless and that frieren isn’t emotionless. But dang sometimes I fell like for all the hate for rings of power and love for frieren etc (I know frieren is better don’t get me wrong) I am watching another series. Like surju who is usually slower to hype train hop talked about how hearing a character is scared but that’s true courage was mind blowing writing he never heard before and I’m like that was said in Naruto, one piece, aot, etc it’s a common trope. And don’t get me started on the constant comparisons to demon slayer and how zenetsu to frieren fans is a bad version of stark. They aren’t supposed to be doing the same type of story arc development. It screams of people ignoring that we haven’t seen zenetsu full arc and that people compare like this. Goku is a better superman 😮 like people can be similar but very different. No need to knock series down to prop another it never ends cause one show always has features someone else thinks are flaws. Jjk fights and power system hard magic to frieren fans it’s trash cause it’s not slow and melancholy about slice of life. Jjk fans watching naruto. It’s slow and doesn’t have detailed power system with a one hit special. Naruto to one piece fans. One pice is too wacky etc. just like what you like I guess. Still can’t wrap my head around where people say frieren has monster level deep writing and trash on AoT for having bad writing or hxh or whatever is a popular series they bounce off. Oh well.
@@nichescenes yea and using tolkian of all people to promote the use of an all evil race is just odd considering that he probably be asking the same questions that the normies are about the demons in frieren. Comparisions are fair though and to be honest we can't help but compare media because it allows us to understand a story better when you can see how it contrast another story. for example you are right how the power system in ferieren isn't that deep. its not. very soft magic system with very little rules compare to lets say full metal alchemist and can pretty much do whatever the plot needs. you can also give any character almost any power set thanks to it and it would make sense. on the other hand if i was to compare ferieren magic exam arc to naruto's chuninn i would say the biggest contrast for me at least is how little frieren and fern care about the exam. unlike most shonen stories, the MCs don't really want to take it or get the benefits of winning it and this reflects in how they approach it and how very little stakes we feel during it. i mean the biggest threat to ferieren was a clone of herself. The arc really felt like an excuse to flesh out frieren's relationship with her master and grand master (the orange hair lady and the other elf, can't remember their names.). that's why to me it feels so different. its basically a side quest with no stakes instead of a dangerous obstacle for the MCs to advance and get closer to their goals and dreams.