Agree with you Tom.. As Paul did with you, my suggestion is to invite him to New York and do together the same with Dr Hallaq.. 4-5 sessions to get as much as possible of his great & life project..
Thanks @TomFaccine for introducing to this great scholar . I just learnt about him yesterday from your talk with brother Paul. I hope someday someone translate his works in Bangla and my country folks can read him.. there is a deep problem in the South east Asian Muslim majority countries. All of these western liberalist ideas are spreading like cancer into the mind of vast majority of the youth and there is no native intellectual defense against it. confused trans-gender ideas have been included in the national textbook of secondary education this year.
I did not feel that a single question asked really homed in on what he was really focusing on and ironically it speaks to how necessary it is for us to reevaluate our epistemological approach to learning about our faith, and develop our own independent and Islamic based ways of knowledge. It’s about mentally being colonized and even the first guy though his question was, not let’s say constructive however it sounded as if he was offended at the notion that some of his epistemology may be western influenced and suggested that it is solely an issue for an Arab or a Muslim that lives in the west. In the most basic manifestation of this is how foreign degrees are inherently perceived as superior within Muslim countries. As an Algerian I can deeply appreciate the concept and the example he used during the questions section, because my people underwent the oppressive and cruel attempts of the the French to assert their epistemology as the only one true way of knowing which of course it’s not. And how deeply engrained it is because even my inherent example mentioning my nationality, within Islamic epistemology we don’t think that way. In fact we are all of one ummah but the western ideas of countries, nationalism and patriotism have influenced us and now Muslim are fighting one another instead of uniting the ummah.
How can he be an asset to the Muslim Ummah when he still believes in the Christian concept of trinity. We have no problem with him being Christian. However, belief in the Trinity means associating someone with Allah. This is a serious sin in Islam.
Professor Wael Hallaq is the most impressive scientist in Islamic Shari'a, he is cited over 10000 times in academic literature, he is bringing new understanding of human history and bringing back its best moral values! May Almighty open our hearts and minds to embrace the best moral values and live by them as much as possible!
It's bizarre to see how every question is almost hostile to a scholar like Dr Hallaq. Fully western and ready with their guns, t's strangely beautiful about the lecture is, that the questionnaires themselevs are clearly manifesting Hallaq's stated problems in the deep effects that it has etched upon the minds and souls of the global individuals, especially the Muslims! 😇
7:14 begins 7:50 conclusions (premises) 12:49 decolonization 13:20 system of knowledge vs system of the self 13:55 critique of edward said 14:35 first step decolonization : language 15:05 MODERN STATE & EQUALITY 17:41 pathological democratic society 20:05 list of LACKS 24:24 ibn khaldun 29:15 bureaucracy - a novel notion
Peace be upon you, honored brothers. To reinforce and elaborate on the idea of the thinker Wael Hallak, may Allah perpetuate his knowledge on us, to compensate and correct our latent modernist perceptions, which we now adopt after our diving and fascination with Western civilization, with Islamic perceptions and convictions that we were ignorant of because we abandoned the Book of Allah, we took this Qur'an for granted. Dr. Nayef bin Nahar analyzes and summarizes all our beliefs and practices. He says that all the perceptions we adopt are centered on four central perceptions in both cases between Islam and modernity. For Islam, istikhlaf as an existence that leads to Rochd in thinking, i.e. mind and Quranic text, then social integration as a perception in practice among the members of society, and to the establishment of justice and justice as a goal. Modernity, with its four central concepts of autonomy from God, leads to pure rationality in thinking, which leads to individualism in practice, which leads to materialistic self-interest as a goal, while modernity comes with its four central concepts of autonomy in existence, which leads to pure rationality in thinking, which leads to individualism in practice, which leads to materialistic self-interest as a goal. The spirit of intense competition When you do not share the spirit of integration and cooperation with other members of society, the spirit of intense competition becomes what determines your relationship with others. Thus, you do not care about how to outperform the rest of society and focus here on the material and social level. For our God ,in the perception of individuals, sees believers as brothers, and thus the spirit of cooperation and the standard of success is subjective and not related or contradictory to the rest of society. Rather, the individual is required to help others, even if they work in the same field as him. Therefore, we reject monopoly and usury and demonstrate patience, tolerance, altruism and complementarity with the rest of society. Economics in its latest definition is the maximization of profits, the maximum exploitation of human resources, while for the believers, economics is the optimal utilization of human resources. And a need for a balance between human desires and resources. If modernity sees well-being as the original state, then desires become unlimited. Do not overstep the scales. Eat, drink ,live and be merry. Balance is the most important concept in economics. Truth is limited to material reality, so morals, ethics, emotions, and social psychology have no value in the standard of progress because they are not a material value. This question determines how we see our lives and how we react to events and changes. Culturalization and specificity means communicating with other cultures and specificity means paying attention to reality. Things do not make us happy, but our perceptions of them do. Perceptions are the gateway to the mandate, God does not charge a person more than he can afford. .... The soul improves when perceptions improve. Spend from what He has made you stewards of. Moral perception is the best alternative to legal perception. Morality, chastity and brotherhood can make the law only an exceptional necessity for Reforming perceptions leads to reform in beliefs and practices. For example, O people, we created you from a male and a female. ...... The perception is the creation from a male and a female, so there is no difference where you were born or to whom you belong because it is not an achievement ... all the same, and the second perception made you peoples and tribes and why to know each other, there is no other reason except for acquaintance between mankind. The rulings of acquaintance. Stand up for what is right for the Muslim brothers to support each other. Commanding good and forbidding evil. The political sphere is dominated by outcome-oriented conceptualization. The social sphere is dominated by individualism, the economic sphere is dominated by capitalism, the religious sphere is dominated by Christianity, and the cognitive sphere is dominated by materialism. What is not material is not seen as a source of knowledge.
It seems people past and present don't work on their "self" purposefully and its improvements but the difference between past and present is that life was much tougher and forced people to work on themselves to survive while today most survive effortlessly!
Insightful talk and reframing. Agreed other than a couple of questioners, they either didn't seem to understand his point or proved his point by their questions. Can anyone give a summary of the last question/answer?
The questioner, after expressing his agreement with and appreciation of his work, wonders what's the solution, since propositions from within modernity are in vain and those from without are impossible because power rests with the "West"? Answer: there's no third way because you can't treat a problem created by the same system using its own tools (giving example of stomach acidity); there remains thus only the second solution but it's a personal choice. You shouldn't feel hopeless about it. Nothing is impossible, European modernity, for instance, at its early stages was in a worse position than we are in today, but it slowly and successfully re-engineered and reinvented itself. We can also do the same thing, opt out of modernity and help them too opt out of it.
@@othmenouaarab9748 Well, It's quite a relevant topic. Overcoming post-modernity was highlited in works of modern Russian Islamic thinker Geydar Dzhemal(Heydar Jamal 1947-2016) in lecture series The New Theology and in other his works.
Do you think the Arabic translation of the title is accurate? ((What is Post Orientalism? ماذا بعد الاستشراق؟ )). It seems ambiguous. I suppose that they translated English into Arabic, as the lecture is in English. The dash after post makes it more complicated.
The speaker would do well to define orientalism. I tried to read the Edward Said book a long time ago but found it impenetrable. The speaker also does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality. Of course people are born with different physical and intellectual abilities. What Jefferson and other Founders meant was equality before the law. The term is also used aspirationally, as in the hope to abolish slavery. As for the speaker’s claim that there is no individual moral voice permitted in western bureaucracies, I would call his attention to the many whistleblower laws as well as the dissent channel at the US State department. I really can’t blame him for all these inaccuracies and misunderstandings because he is a scholar of Islam and doesn’t have time to study American history or Society. But he should at least consult scholars in these fields before making his public criticisms.
"... does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality ... what Jefferson ... meant was equality before the law" ... Hallaq briefly touches on this around 28:00 onwards. Having read some of his work. I would suggest that he understands very well.
You do realise that Jefferson owned slaves and when he did reduce slavery, it was so that the value of his "stock" would increase. They were still businessman who traded in flesh. The fact that you talk about how exceptional America (and by extension Western society) is and its "benevolence" to people of color is in and of itself a prime example of orientalism. Another example of orientalism is from your tone of condescension. You use pseudo intellectual words that comes off as polite but I've lived amongst y'all to know what you are actually saying is "I don't care to understand foreign brown people. They don't get to talk about my people because there's no way they can be that educated".
Hallucinations … قتل تارك الصلاة God sent Mohamed to punish our children if they abandoned prayer !!!! انتم بتكلموا مين ؟؟! و فين ؟؟؟ صعب علي الغرب يترجم فيديو الشعراوي في تحليل قتل تارك الصلاة؟؟!!
Excellent talk! A pity most of the questioners don't seem familiar with his work, let alone understand it.
Agree with you Tom.. As Paul did with you, my suggestion is to invite him to New York and do together the same with Dr Hallaq.. 4-5 sessions to get as much as possible of his great & life project..
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Very True Imam Tom.
Thanks @TomFaccine for introducing to this great scholar . I just learnt about him yesterday from your talk with brother Paul. I hope someday someone translate his works in Bangla and my country folks can read him.. there is a deep problem in the South east Asian Muslim majority countries. All of these western liberalist ideas are spreading like cancer into the mind of vast majority of the youth and there is no native intellectual defense against it. confused trans-gender ideas have been included in the national textbook of secondary education this year.
One of the most important thinkers of our time.
I did not feel that a single question asked really homed in on what he was really focusing on and ironically it speaks to how necessary it is for us to reevaluate our epistemological approach to learning about our faith, and develop our own independent and Islamic based ways of knowledge. It’s about mentally being colonized and even the first guy though his question was, not let’s say constructive however it sounded as if he was offended at the notion that some of his epistemology may be western influenced and suggested that it is solely an issue for an Arab or a Muslim that lives in the west. In the most basic manifestation of this is how foreign degrees are inherently perceived as superior within Muslim countries. As an Algerian I can deeply appreciate the concept and the example he used during the questions section, because my people underwent the oppressive and cruel attempts of the the French to assert their epistemology as the only one true way of knowing which of course it’s not. And how deeply engrained it is because even my inherent example mentioning my nationality, within Islamic epistemology we don’t think that way. In fact we are all of one ummah but the western ideas of countries, nationalism and patriotism have influenced us and now Muslim are fighting one another instead of uniting the ummah.
Dr. Hallaq is an invaluable asset for the Muslim Ummah! May Allah almighty bless him and give him long life!
How can he be an asset to the Muslim Ummah when he still believes in the Christian concept of trinity.
We have no problem with him being Christian. However, belief in the Trinity means associating someone with Allah. This is a serious sin in Islam.
1:12:49 mashallah beautifully put together he really ate that question
Professor Wael Hallaq is the most impressive scientist in Islamic Shari'a, he is cited over 10000 times in academic literature, he is bringing new understanding of human history and bringing back its best moral values! May Almighty open our hearts and minds to embrace the best moral values and live by them as much as possible!
It's bizarre to see how every question is almost hostile to a scholar like Dr Hallaq. Fully western and ready with their guns, t's strangely beautiful about the lecture is, that the questionnaires themselevs are clearly manifesting Hallaq's stated problems in the deep effects that it has etched upon the minds and souls of the global individuals, especially the Muslims! 😇
7:14 begins
7:50 conclusions (premises)
12:49 decolonization
13:20 system of knowledge vs system of the self
13:55 critique of edward said
14:35 first step decolonization : language
15:05 MODERN STATE & EQUALITY
17:41 pathological democratic society
20:05 list of LACKS
24:24 ibn khaldun
29:15 bureaucracy - a novel notion
36:40 nature
Monumental contributions. Love for dr. Hallaq, one of the intellectual giants of our era with insights that could change the world for the better.
Genius Presentation. Mind blowing
Enlightening lecture, and the beginning of contemporary renaissance
Peace be upon you, honored brothers. To reinforce and elaborate on the idea of the thinker Wael Hallak, may Allah perpetuate his knowledge on us, to compensate and correct our latent modernist perceptions, which we now adopt after our diving and fascination with Western civilization, with Islamic perceptions and convictions that we were ignorant of because we abandoned the Book of Allah, we took this Qur'an for granted. Dr. Nayef bin Nahar analyzes and summarizes all our beliefs and practices. He says that all the perceptions we adopt are centered on four central perceptions in both cases between Islam and modernity. For Islam, istikhlaf as an existence that leads to Rochd in thinking, i.e. mind and Quranic text, then social integration as a perception in practice among the members of society, and to the establishment of justice and justice as a goal. Modernity, with its four central concepts of autonomy from God, leads to pure rationality in thinking, which leads to individualism in practice, which leads to materialistic self-interest as a goal, while modernity comes with its four central concepts of autonomy in existence, which leads to pure rationality in thinking, which leads to individualism in practice, which leads to materialistic self-interest as a goal.
The spirit of intense competition
When you do not share the spirit of integration and cooperation with other members of society, the spirit of intense competition becomes what determines your relationship with others. Thus, you do not care about how to outperform the rest of society and focus here on the material and social level. For our God ,in the perception of individuals, sees believers as brothers, and thus the spirit of cooperation and the standard of success is subjective and not related or contradictory to the rest of society. Rather, the individual is required to help others, even if they work in the same field as him. Therefore, we reject monopoly and usury and demonstrate patience, tolerance, altruism and complementarity with the rest of society.
Economics in its latest definition is the maximization of profits, the maximum exploitation of human resources, while for the believers, economics is the optimal utilization of human resources. And a need for a balance between human desires and resources. If modernity sees well-being as the original state, then desires become unlimited. Do not overstep the scales. Eat, drink ,live and be merry. Balance is the most important concept in economics.
Truth is limited to material reality, so morals, ethics, emotions, and social psychology have no value in the standard of progress because they are not a material value.
This question determines how we see our lives and how we react to events and changes.
Culturalization and specificity means communicating with other cultures and specificity means paying attention to reality.
Things do not make us happy, but our perceptions of them do. Perceptions are the gateway to the mandate, God does not charge a person more than he can afford. .... The soul improves when perceptions improve. Spend from what He has made you stewards of. Moral perception is the best alternative to legal perception. Morality, chastity and brotherhood can make the law only an exceptional necessity for
Reforming perceptions leads to reform in beliefs and practices. For example, O people, we created you from a male and a female. ...... The perception is the creation from a male and a female, so there is no difference where you were born or to whom you belong because it is not an achievement ... all the same, and the second perception made you peoples and tribes and why to know each other, there is no other reason except for acquaintance between mankind. The rulings of acquaintance. Stand up for what is right for the Muslim brothers to support each other. Commanding good and forbidding evil.
The political sphere is dominated by outcome-oriented conceptualization. The social sphere is dominated by individualism, the economic sphere is dominated by capitalism, the religious sphere is dominated by Christianity, and the cognitive sphere is dominated by materialism. What is not material is not seen as a source of knowledge.
Very important insights, may we will all guided righteously
It seems people past and present don't work on their "self" purposefully and its improvements but the difference between past and present is that life was much tougher and forced people to work on themselves to survive while today most survive effortlessly!
Very Insightful
Insightful talk and reframing. Agreed other than a couple of questioners, they either didn't seem to understand his point or proved his point by their questions.
Can anyone give a summary of the last question/answer?
The questioner, after expressing his agreement with and appreciation of his work, wonders what's the solution, since propositions from within modernity are in vain and those from without are impossible because power rests with the "West"?
Answer: there's no third way because you can't treat a problem created by the same system using its own tools (giving example of stomach acidity); there remains thus only the second solution but it's a personal choice. You shouldn't feel hopeless about it. Nothing is impossible, European modernity, for instance, at its early stages was in a worse position than we are in today, but it slowly and successfully re-engineered and reinvented itself. We can also do the same thing, opt out of modernity and help them too opt out of it.
@@othmenouaarab9748 Well, It's quite a relevant topic. Overcoming post-modernity was highlited in works of modern Russian Islamic thinker Geydar Dzhemal(Heydar Jamal 1947-2016) in lecture series The New Theology and in other his works.
@@muslimphilosophy Thanks for sharing!
Interesting points
Well mentioned 👍🏻
thank you
40:25 ontology of food
Nah you can never convince me Hallaq isn’t a Muslim.
At 47:30 who is the scholar that Hallaq is talking about apart from Foucault?
I think Pierre Hadot
Thank you. Is this paper available somewhere?
British did the same with WAQF system in Bengal to destroy the Madrasa systems..
The triumph of the therapeutic. What's the author's name?
Salaam shaykhna, Triumph of the Therapeutic: Uses of Faith After Freud - Phillip Rieff
Do you think the Arabic translation of the title is accurate?
((What is Post Orientalism? ماذا بعد الاستشراق؟ )). It seems ambiguous. I suppose that they translated English into Arabic, as the lecture is in English. The dash after post makes it more complicated.
The speaker would do well to define orientalism. I tried to read the Edward Said book a long time ago but found it impenetrable.
The speaker also does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality. Of course people are born with different physical and intellectual abilities. What Jefferson and other Founders meant was equality before the law. The term is also used aspirationally, as in the hope to abolish slavery.
As for the speaker’s claim that there is no individual moral voice permitted in western bureaucracies, I would call his attention to the many whistleblower laws as well as the dissent channel at the US State department.
I really can’t blame him for all these inaccuracies and misunderstandings because he is a scholar of Islam and doesn’t have time to study American history or Society. But he should at least consult scholars in these fields before making his public criticisms.
"... does not understand what the American Founders meant by equality ... what Jefferson ... meant was equality before the law" ... Hallaq briefly touches on this around 28:00 onwards. Having read some of his work. I would suggest that he understands very well.
You do realise that Jefferson owned slaves and when he did reduce slavery, it was so that the value of his "stock" would increase. They were still businessman who traded in flesh. The fact that you talk about how exceptional America (and by extension Western society) is and its "benevolence" to people of color is in and of itself a prime example of orientalism. Another example of orientalism is from your tone of condescension. You use pseudo intellectual words that comes off as polite but I've lived amongst y'all to know what you are actually saying is "I don't care to understand foreign brown people. They don't get to talk about my people because there's no way they can be that educated".
Hallucinations … قتل تارك الصلاة
God sent Mohamed to punish our children if they abandoned prayer !!!!
انتم بتكلموا مين ؟؟! و فين ؟؟؟
صعب علي الغرب يترجم فيديو الشعراوي في تحليل قتل تارك الصلاة؟؟!!