Kobe Bryant: Defensive Doberman (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2014
- Part 2 of the Defensive Doberman videos I put together. This one highlights Kobe's still impressive man-to-man, 1 on 1 defense in the 2nd half of his career, when he donned the #24 for the Purple and Gold.
Kobe gained the nickname "The Doberman" during his 2008 Olympics run, where he guarded the opposing country's best perimeter player and typically made them look like they hadn't played basketball before. Highlights of that run are included.
Additionally, a small clip by Michael Jordan is included to explain Kobe's psyche and how "ludicrous" it is for a guy his age to be guarding point guards like Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving, or Russell Westbrook on a regular basis.
Though not as energetic off-ball in his later years, Kobe remains a stellar on-ball defender and this video highlights much of that defensive prowess. Sprinkled around the video are a few offensive highlights showing the effect of his defense converted into offense. There is also one occasion of the opposite effect.
Once more, my interest here isn't in the results of the play (a score/foul), but on highlighting Kobe's hounding defense for entire possessions, often on some of the most adept ball-handlers/athletes the league has yet seen. Enjoy.
Special Thanks to +KentCho , whose clips comprised a bulk of these highlights. A great channel for 1v1 Defense Highlights.
Disclaimer: I own none of these videos/clips/music. This mix is not meant to infringe upon anyone's copyrights. More specifically, this video is not/will not be used for any form of financial gains. It is purely for entertainment (educational) purposes.
Instrumentals (in order of appearance):
"The Way I Am" - Eminem
"Hypnotize" - The Notorious B.I.G.
"Xxplosive" - Dr. Dre - Спорт
When you see Kobe pull on his shorts like that you know you're in for it.
No shit!
chookalatemuffin RIP
it's like Ip Man rolling up his sleeves
It's been 9yrs but here I am saying "Big Facts".. LeFraud can't match this.
🎯
Wow. Seeing Kobe at 34-35 shutting down a young and explosive Westbrook is amazing. Love or hate Kobe. You have to respect his competitiveness and desire to win at all cost.
-Miss you Kobe.
An aspect of Kobe's game that's severely underrated. Even MJ said what he was doing at that age was "ludicrous."
My favorite part is when he picks up DWade at full court and causes the travel.
the most underrrated part of his game rip kobe
Cap his IQ is the most underrated part of his game
12 all defensive teams 9 * on first team and three times on second team and cheated out of defensive players of the year and lately cheated out of his greatness 34000 points 12 all-defensive teams 18 time all star five championships two Olympic gold medals hoping to bring back the gold medal medals to America Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant Kareem Abdul-Jabbar all in a class by themselves what they put out offensively and defensively separates them from anybody that ever played the game.
kobe was easily the best player for usa in the olympics. especially on defense, he owned every matchup. hes an elite perimeter defender and when hes locked in he can take even the best players out of their game.
One of the greatest on ball one on one defensive players of all time easily in the top 10
Kobe welcomed the Iso play, he knew the outlet passes, tendencies, and favorite shots. He took all that away...... Kobe one on one? I'd be lucky to score a single shot the first time, after that ........scoreless 🙁
@@markallensivert actually you need to be very good, then Kobe will turn into beast mode to lock you down.
In thisaspect top 3 of all time
Easilyyyyyyy 🐐
better than Lebron
scores 85 to lakers 96 and theres a minute and a half left in the 4th, kobes still playing d, gets a steal wrestles dude for the ball they go down and he gets up pumped like he just won a ring lol, there isnt players like this anymore..defense used to be a viable part of this game in the league, too bad..was pretty fun too.
Crazy how defensively underrated her is. It gets so overlooked when talking about him. All ppl want to talk about are shot percentages
If Jordan Respects Kobe's D Then you too Respect it.
Imagine Kobe having 2 other SUPERstars on his team. We'd see more of this elite defense consistently. Such a beauty.
Mason Wong
Calm down, bro.
He had enough superstars.
That would have been awesome .. he made the teams he had champions though. He never had the a super team built for him like the guys these days. They use to build super teams to stop someone like Kobe
rambosexy2009 who shaq, and gasol...
Lebron has had wade, bosh, kyrie, love
@@rambosexy2009 Gasol was NEVER a superstar, just a star... Pau & Kevin Love have the same stats
I always say this for everyone. Kobe played many years (12 years) without healthy, prime and young super stars. He had to carry the Lakers for so long. If Shaq didn't leaft and CP3 had joined , Kobe win easy 8 rings.
Some of the most beautiful defense we will ever see
2:17 i saw a video once where kobe was telling this guy that if he knows that a player is right handed, he’ll force them left (like any smart player would) but he also pins their right arm a bit so that they can’t come back to it and they’re forced to pass. you can really see it here
KOBE has always been a top 10 defender for over 12 years in the NBA but never got credit for it. For a GOAT type player hands down he was a 2-way player. Think about for a moment; 82 games; Playoff's; Olympic he shut top players down. He was asked to do far more than MJ, Magic, Westbrook; Iverson; McGraddy etc. etc. James is great but he's not enough close to do what Kobe did. Kobe guarded small players, big players and GOAT players. Kobe was a avg sized player ; he wasnt gifted with BIG hands or a 6'9 240 body. But he still guarded James.
One of the GOAT - a monster.
man to man defense is his specialty period
Being 6'6" as a coach I would love Kobe Bryant to play defense.
MY FAVORITE PLAYER OF ALL TIME KOBE BRYANT DEFENSE WAS CRAZY haha
what makes MJ and Kobe so good on defense is their long arms and the drive to play D, MJ sees so much of himself in Kobe, people gave him grief for saying Kobe was better than LEBRON but I believe on July 9 2014 Kobe is still better
I agree with the MJ . Kobe but Lebron is no way better than Kobe.
Not hating on Lebron I like Lebron but 1on1 Kobe kills Lebron today Kobe schools Lebron
yeah you're right not a huge Kobe fan; just respect his game. The only one I believe that can give MJ a Game; even MJ himself believes Kobe would be a tough matchup for him. Remember Kobe stole all his moves.
Meg Doyle
_"MJ was just being nice as Kobe is his protege."_
Do you not know the competitor that is Michael Jeffrey Jordan? Dude is nice to *nobody.* His entire Hall of Fame speech was him trolling several people for crying out loud. This was him while he was being celebrated/honored.
Maybe he's just *real* recognizing *real.*
_"MJ would destroy Kobe for two reasons (1) better defender and (2) better and bigger post player."_
Kobe has better range and a better overall skillset of dribble moves/fundamentals. MJ relied more on his athleticism than Kobe did. Insanely fundamentally sound as well but I'd say it was a 55% Athleticism / 45% Fundamentals for MJ as far as his offensive attack was concerned. It was probably closer to a 50/50 split for Kobe.
Not that that's a bad thing. MJ was obviously incredibly effective no matter how you break it down. But in a 1v1 Game, the ability to score in a *variety* of ways is the most important factor (aside from sheer will). No perimeter player, not even Jordan, had the *pure variety* edge over Kobe. Even if MJ is more physical.
_"MJ said Kobe stole his moves but the truth is that MJ _*_showed_*_ him moves and _*_tutored_*_ him."_
Either source that or clarify what you meant by "showed" or "tutored." I wasn't aware they actually worked out together or something. Please source it if you can. However, I do know they're friends. They shared a dinner recently if I recall correctly.
_"And anyone that has seen both MJ and KB play will know that MJ _*_didn't teach KB all his moves._*_"_
Of course he didn't. That's because Kobe has several moves unique to him.
_"There are several things MJ did that KB either messes up on or doesn't do at all."_
Please specify (preferably with video). I've watched hundreds of games from both and I can't think of anything that MJ did that Kobe couldn't do. They're carbon copies of each other. MJ was just a slightly better version of the same program.
MJ said Kobe could beat him 1on1 because he stole his moves. MJ is the GOAT in my view ; but Kobe has the skill set of MJ. Kobe has study MJ his whole life move for move; personally I believe MJ would win the match up ; Kobe would hold his own.
If i am going through tough situations or feeling down Watching him play makes me relax and happy :D
Kobe was complete. Only MJ can be compares with Kobe.
Kobe was the most vicious beast on the court
One of the best defenders ever. When he locks you in its over.
The most underrated part of his game. Honestly the greatest skilled player to ever play. Will always be my GOAT
Great offense starts with great defense.
Kobe's defense on Wade is a thing of beauty
R.I.P Kobe Bryant. My hero. My Great. My Motivation 💙🙏🏾
RIP Mamba!!!💯 your Legacy will continue
Rip Kobe
This is my favorite Kobe video the intensity in defense I loved it.
Your work ethics was admirable
Loved you man
Rest In Peace Kobe Bryant
I miss you Kobe!😩💔
The Goat showed up every time to hand your favorite player that L
Easily top 5 1on1 defender. All time.
Mladen Tabakovic Kawhi, Payton, Tony Allen, Michael, Sydney Moncrief...
Robe Melo 1v1. Not perimeter or all-around. I’d even argue that he’s the best 1v1 defender ever.
@@knee-colayo-kitc104Kobe is a better defender then Tony Allen stop it
James Harden NEEDS to watch this. This is how you win championships!
alejandrothefader Especially how he had 10 turnovers in the playoffs. That would easily double with pippen and MJ on that ass.
Blue Skeptic
Thank you.
Kobe played in the era of European influx into the NBA=better TALENT overall than MJ faced...#FACT.
Excuses, excuses. That's why Kobe was trying to catch Jordan and why Kobe admitted Jordan is the greatest. I notice average fans say stuff that doesn't match what the players themselves, nor what the coaches, nor what the nba reporters say. You say things like that assuming their relevant to anything meaningful.
LOL what European talent? Outside of Dirk the European players didn't last. Stojakovic fizzled.
@@bwp2bruce I think you're right and in my opinion Kobe is the 2nd greatest of all time
Kobe is not like Jordan just because 2 or 3 MVP that went for Jordan and not for Kobe,...just like starting in 1998 ALL-Star game
@@bwp2bruce all I hear is that you make excuses, I remember Michael Jordan saying that there's only one person that could beat him one-on-one and that is Kobe Bryant, and that's Michael Jordan admitting that Kobe is better than him, so🤐
RIP Kobe
Work of art! RIP GOAT
RIP Mamba
Jordan , pippen , Kobe , GP , Tony Allen , KG , Kawhi . Some of the best defenders EVER
The disrespect to Tim Duncan smh
@@bruhbruh1580 I'm pretty sure he's talking about wing/perimeter defenders.
That is why he is 5-2 in the Finals when it's time to lock up it's time to lock up and do what you can to win the game!
I want to see Kobe guarding Harden one on one :)
Ferdinand Valderrama lockdown harden has no midrange he’s just gonna do a little dance and pull up cuz he’s not getting by Kobe
Ibrahim Dukulay prime Kobe can lock his ass down cuz he know their weaknesses. He is the greatest defender and skilled all the time i ever see.. if he was still prime Kobe today, he would drop 50 on harden easy.
Harden won't dribble much if kobe is guarding him, most of elite guards that kobe defended in this video really becomes passive when kobe is guarding, well at 30s most guards could really blow by kobe but the mental game is there, when they see kobe they also see a Peyton, Jordan or pippen guarding them and its kobe's reputation as a defender.
Such great Defense.
Meg Doyle I was being serious lol
Just watching the clip at 40 seconds just shows how much more effective kobe would be in the 90s on defense lol.
The Art of defense💓
Gracias Kobe
His arms reach is insane!
Wow 😮😮
Pippen, Payton, Mj, Kobe, Dj, Artest, Dumars, Prince, Bowen, Cooper are the best man to man defenders the game has ever seen but kawhi leonard is coming
Don't forget Rodman and Moncrief and Dennis Johnson just to add a few more
Isaiah Murrell dj is Dennis Johnson
Ik I was just reading to fast and skipped the initials my fault
JORDAN + PIPPEN = KOBE
I just dont get it how he didnt win any DPOY. I dont even get how he got only 1 MVP.
FighterTR its picked by the media and the media hated kobe he was the opposite of jordan very defensive where jordan was more interactive
He didn't stats defensively. He didn't steal. He jist made sure no one got passed him. He made sure if they took a shot it was a bad shot regardless of contesting it or not, and his reaction allowed him to be better. Peoole never shot on him, only real scorers. He doesn't hover off ball for blocks. People avoid him.
The answer is simple. Everyone knows it. Sports media writers and personalities were doing the best with what "they can control" to protect Jordan's legacy. And thats by dismissing kobe by omitting his greatness. He cant be as great without the mvps right? And who controls that? Despite what media says, kobe was the real threat not lebron. Lebron is nowhere near as skilled.
Because the media always hated Kobe..they only put their fangs and buttplugs away for kobes last season 🙃🙃🙃
Plus! After his 03 case it pretty much sealed his fate with the MVP deal.media hated him before but after that they basically tried to crucify him .I lived through it and I actually got in fights at school multiple times defending Kobe 🤣🤣🤣 I bleed that purple and gold nigga and nobody was gonna put disrespek on his name in front of me ! Haha good mothafuckin times tho 🤙🤙🤙real fans and legends know Kobe should easily have 3 mvps minimum!
Say what you can about Kobe, he did what it took to win 💪💪
Who do you think had more nightmares before going up against Kobe, dwade or cp3? 😂
kobe is the best one on one player ever played this game, like it or not. defenively better than mj, he always defends almost perfectly the best scorer of the opponent. MJ did not do that, pippen did that job in those bulls
alejandrothefader I do not agree with you, if MJ was better in your opinion i think it is because those bulls were in overall a better defensive team (RODMAN PIPPEN...) than Lakers.
+Jon Ander Crego
It's a documented fact that Jordan shut down more Hall of Fame players in the playoffs than Pippen.
alejandrothefader
Kobe was the far less complete offensive player. That's why he never shot over 38% from the 3pt line during the playoffs in any of his 7 trips to the Finals
while Jordan shot over 38% from the original 3pt line in each of the 91 92 93 Playoffs
+Kobe Not Top 100 You're the master of schooling kobetards
It must be sad dedicating so much time to being a loser, +Kobe Not Top 100.
It's real. He stopped dominating at that end later, but 99--05 Kobe was as good a perimeter defender as anybody in the league.
I disagree Kobe was a great defender longer the 05 he started carrying more offensive load but he still was the best defender at his position
Watch Kobe not allow ball handlers to go to their strong hand and always force to the help if need be. My GOAT
If only everyone would develop into this competitive form of defense the game would be alot better.
Jordan his cursed just as much as I am powerful words
Sick the Doberman on them, no mercy!!!!!
Holy shit
I love what Kobe did to LeQueen and how that Bxtxh reacted
I want to be on Kobe team because of his defense
Who still here
Aint goin nowhere #MambaARMY
Just his presence could make someone passive in the offensive end.
Cause I am whatever you say I am
BRB ..instrumental and video inspired me to go to the gym...#mambamentality!!!
Haha
Real shit doe 😐😐😐
This is how Gentlemen settle WAR
where can i find that picture in good quality
3:32 Please show this to ESPN and Fs1
Clamp God
He made Dwayne Wade look like a JV player, and that's no easy feat.
Kobe no ka oi
Now in the NBA the game is played like horse. All offense no defense!! RIP NBA!
Thumbnail HD picture please
Lock.Down,
It's quite interesting that westbrook couldnt blow by kobe even Chris paul and other elite point guards. That defensive stance of kobe is just very hard to break down.
Everytime I bring up Kobe's defensive accomplishments, people tell me he stoled them. His defense was always overlooked.
His Rebounding as well
Fun fact:
MJ's hands might be bigger than that of kobe's. But KOBE has a longer wingspan than mj.
4:38 looks like when AI had the chance to challenge MJ's defense
Do yall know how much faster, stronger, bigger, today's guards are. How much higher they jump. On average. Athletes are just natural bigger stronger better. Also, players grow up watching MJ, AI, Kobe, t mac, pierce. Mjs opponents grew up watching dudes who worked at groceries stores part time. Guys who's finals were only showed after the nightly news. Guys who they had to change the rules to bring up the pitiful league average shotting % from 30. Also. Hand check. Stop. I could defend with a hand check. It's a fuckin defensive hold in the NFL and they hit in that league. Mj guarded the 2nd best player cuz of pippen. Rodman help D helped tremendously. All that said, Kobe got as many 1st team NBA defense selections as MJ, and more overall defensive all NBA teams. Kobe played better scorers, more athletic scorers, in an era where you couldn't hold your opponent with all your strength, and while having his vert 10" lower than MJ, and being slower than MJ, while guarding the best player WAY more often than MJ, and way less help d.......... so ya Kobe shits on MJ d wise. People will think that's crazy but if you factor those things in and believe it's crazy you should go watch baseball. Bron has 5 1st team selections in the same span of time Kobe got 9. Kobe has the most defensive selections ever. And hes the best scorer ever. And the least physically gifted out of MJ bron and kobe.... hmmm...... What does that say about his skill level? A non bias person would say; "hed better at stopping the opponent from scoring. And best at scoring. He gets almost as many rebounds and assists. While having the disadvantage compared to MJ and bron... Kobes the best"
I'll help you out ... With a stop watching basketball .. being bigger faster has nothing to do with ball iq stop while you're not ahead you sound stupid af youngster
This is straight FACTS. Kobe taking out the first super team ever while MJ takin down Malone and a white boy who does nothing more than throwing passes to Malone from 6-8 feet out.
Nobody not even Jordan or Kobe comes into the league with a legendary defense right off the getco.
Think about that
Love the video but god is the frame rate bad
D O P E A S S V I D E O i
Just saw a LeGoat add before this, lmfao
Even MJ said Kobe might could beat him
I doubt it though because MJ with his post game with his hops could evade block shots
Nah Kobe blocked mj
@@thug8200 yes he did, Kobe locked up Jordan everybody else,
This is why kobe better than lebron
Who was better defensively PEAK/PRIME?
Kobe or D Wade?
Kobe easily. I think overall speed wise kobe was even faster than Wade. not to mention the defensive skills kobe has as a player.
kobe hands down. d wade better shot blocker and excellent on ball defender but kobe locked down more often fundamentally more sound defensive player.
D Wade he averaged 2 steals and 1.5 blocks
Abdul Jalloh I disagree. Wade was a better all around he could play on ball and help side. Only one other 2 guard has averaged 1.5 blocks thats MJ arguably the best on ball defender all t. Wade was better on D he locked Kobe up on Xmas day look it up. Kobe had 15 points. Wade had 5 steals and 4 blocks with 30 points
I see your point but 9 First Team All Defense Awards is great. D Wade had the better numbers but Kobe was a lockdown defender. Before Ariza and World Peace Kobe was taking the tough assignments Wade never had that luxury. I'll give it to you that he was a better help defender but Overall I go with Kobe.
I know that you were not intentionally trying to take videos but those Russell Westbrook videos are all courtesy of Kent Cho (he literally has the exact same green watermark with that girl in it), a guy who makes a lot of these Kobe Bryant defense videos (that usually highlight the course of one game's lockdown D). I'm not pointing fingers but Chris Paul, 2011 playoffs and the 2013 season defense, defense on Kyrie Irving as well, the guy has the same videos put up on his channel that you would so happen to have in this video.
Anyways, whether you actually took them or not (only you know the truth), give credit to people that actually took the time to find the game and actually go through the process of editing them.
You are absolutely right. I know I meant to do this at some point but I lost track of whose videos I used where. I figured these are all the NBA's property anyway, but that doesn't mean someone didn't do work to put those initial clips together. I just wanted to collect all of the best clips I could find into two comprehensive videos, and +Kent Cho has some of the absolute best.
Thanks for pointing this out. I added a shout-out to him in the description and I will look to do so for other clips I used.
According to Harden fans defense is no longer apart of basketball.
They believe Harden's better than Kobe. The worst are the media heads feeding them this garbage. The shit they used to criticize Kobe for, is now the reason they praise Harden and argue for his MVP. The disrespect was petty but the hypocrisy is disgusting.
Kobe was cheated out of MVPs and defensive players of the year
It's not legit without [Kobe vs [A.I.]
D up
Part 2 Prince The Menace Brendon Sanders James 2134 Manny Vasquez thekiddsean330 do your homework
I like it...He can lock up anyone but never gets locked up
Well Kobe has had a total of 619blk, 1828stl from 1996-2013 in the regular season that is pretty damn good!
Brendon Sanders exactly he's a better offense and Defensive player than lebron = Kobe is better
James 2134 Michael Jordan was a better Defender than Kobe tho MJ was on another level
Lakers Glo Can't argue with that, Another great defensive player was Gary "The Glove" Payton he was a ruff rider.
This is why Kobe is better than Lebron offensively we all know Kobe is better and you add defense what is lebron better at passing to open shooters Kobe>lebron end of discussion
I’m a big kobe fan but don’t be misguided by these videos kobe probably stopped playing full time d once we got ariza artest etc.....no doubt top 5 player/defensive stopper all time tho 👍👍
See kobe will guard the best player on the team...lebron will guard a player like mark madsen 😂😂
UA-cam announces sucks!
No plays of him Shutting Down a Healthy Wade.
Wade was too busy struggling to make the playoffs. Kobe handed it to him quite a bit actually.
dave elsea Wade was injured the entire season. nice try though
allthatjeff kobe always busted his ass. are you kidding me...?
Shareef Hall lmao thanks for the laugh. Try again Kobe stan
2:56
What defense?
Kobe v. Jordan
PPG: *Jordan*
FG% *Jordan*
APG: *Jordan*
RPG: *Jordan*
Blks: *Jordan*
Stls: *Jordan*
MVPs: *Jordan*
PER: *Jordan*
Scoring Titles: *Jordan*
Rookie of the Year: *Jordan*
Defense: *Jordan*
DPOY: *Jordan*
Shoes: *Jordan*
Bricks: Kobe*
Playoff Averages
PPG: *Jordan*
FG%: *Jordan*
APG: *Jordan*
RPG: *Jordan*
Stls: *Jordan*
Blks: *Jordan*
Finals MVPs: *Jordan*
Defense: *Jordan*
Rings: *Jordan*
*NBA Playoffs Records*:
Most points
5,987 by *Michael Jordan*
Most Points in a Game
63 by *Michael Jordan*
Highest points per game average (min. 25 games)
33.5 by *Michael Jordan* (179 games)
Most 50-point games
8 by *Michael Jordan*
Most 40-point games
38 by *Michael Jordan*
Most 30-point games
109 by *Michael Jordan*
Most 20-point games
173 by *Michael Jordan*
Consecutive 50-point games
2 by *Michael Jordan*
Most consecutive 45-point games
3 by *Michael Jordan*
Most consecutive 30-point games
19 by *Michael Jordan*
Most consecutive 20-point games
60 by *Michael Jordan*
Most consecutive 15-point games
179 by *Michael Jordan*
Kobe?
Oh here's his stat:
Most field goals attempted
4,499 BRICKS by *Kobe Bryant*
Here's an interesting stat for Playoff Comparison:
*JORDAN* has:
376 Steals
158 Blocks
546 Turnovers
in only 179 playoff games
*KOBE* has
310 Steals
144 Blocks
647 Turnovers
In 220 playoff games
So Kobe played 41 more playoff games but has over 100 more turnovers yet has less blocks and steals than Jordan. This shows that Jordan is a way better hustler than Kobe is. It also touches upon who has the higher basketball IQ. Also, Kobe tends to be reckless at times which tends to hurt the team. His combined bricks and turnover rates are often too much for the Lakers to overcome.
For those who say Kobe was a better scorer, check this out:
Scoring Titles:
Jordan - 10
Kobe - 2
MJ's TOPPED (and tied) kobe's BEST SEASON for total pts 2x
MJ TOPPED KB's BEST SEASON for total assists 4x, and tied it once (including his rookie season)
MJ TOPPED KB's BEST SEASON for total rebs 2x and tied it once
MJ TOPPED KB's BEST SEASON for total steals 8x (and was 1 short of tying it in '96)
MJ TOPPED KBs BEST SEASON for total blocks 6x
MJ TOPPED KB's BEST SEASON of efficiency (fg%) 11x
FACT:KB's BEST playoff run is 32ppg 5apg 5rpg on 43.2 FG%.
MJ has 8 playoff runs BETTER than that.
And that includes the '95 playoffs, when he'd only played 17 reg season games before those playoffs started, was rusty, and coming off of a damn near 2 year hiatus from baseball.
And MJ did ALL OF THIS in a MUCH TOUGHER, and PHYSICALLY DEMANDING DEFENSIVE ERA
And when comparing MJ's last 2 seasons in Washington to kobe's 2010 and 2011 seasons, MJ had:
* an equal amount of total rebs as him (836)
* almost as many steals (208 to KB's 212)
* and more blocks than him (65 to KB's 32)
23/4/5 on 43.2 FG%
Hero Miles Not sure why this was marked as spam (as it was all factual), but the lack of context/perspective in this post is nauseatingly embarrassing. Please let me know if you really want me to scrap all of these stats bit by bit so that we have a full picture.
Mind you, I think MJ > Kobe overall. But the picture you're painting is that they're not close when in reality they very much are. I'm not going to diminish MJ (or intend to), but perspective is needed to show why Kobe is so much closer than those (basic) stats would say.
Let me know if you want a line by line counter. It's just copy+paste at this point given how many times I've seen the anti-Kobe crowd bring up simple stats like these.
MrTrojanRam You can first start off by explaining why Kobe's only playoff record is like *Most Bricks Ever*. Then we can take it from there.
Hero Miles Simple.
220 Games Played. He's the only guard that averages 20+ in the playoffs for his career within the Top 5 in Games Played for his career.
Jordan averaged 12.9 Misses Per Game in his 179 Game Career. Multiply that by the difference of 41 Games (220-179), and you've got 529 more missed shots. Add that to his total tally (2,309) and you've got a grand total of
*2,838.*
Kobe's current total is
*2,485.*
Analysis: if MJ had played as many playoff games as Kobe Bean Bryant, he would own this record by a _laughable_ amount of *353 More Missed Shots.*
Ouch. What else ya got?
MrTrojanRam There's a huge gap between the amount of playoff records that Jordan has compared to that of Kobe. That's what you're supposed to be addressing. Jordan's playoff records is what distinguishes him as a legend superior to all other players including Kobe.
Hero Miles You asked for a particular explanation about a particular category whose record is undesirable. I rebuffed the significance of the record because, had MJ had the longevity Kobe does, he would have his name _tattooed_ on the record for Most Playoff *Bricks* ever.
The irony is that here, you use Kobe's longevity *against* him, when you'd likely be one of the first people to scream:
_"it's because he played more games than MJ!"_
whenever Kobe passes one (or several now) of MJ's milestones. How about you paint a more comprehensive picture?
*Playoff Leaderboards:*
Points: MJ's *#1* to Kobe's *#3*
Rebounds: MJ's *#34* to Kobe's *#35*
Assists: Kobe's *#7* to MJ's *#9*
Steals: MJ's *#2* to Kobe's *#5*
Blocks: MJ's *#29* to Kobe's *#37*
3-Pointers: Kobe's *#4* to MJ's *#24*
Turnovers: Kobe's *#3* to MJ's *#8*
So if we go of longevity stats, MJ is the greatest scorer, a better rebounder, and better at miscellaneous defensive categories as well as taking care of the ball.
However, Kobe is a better playmaker and long-distance shooter.
Again, these stats lack context, and here's a breakdown of the context that you lack.
*Points:* MJ was a starter for each of his playoff games and never had to share the ball with another player of his caliber offensively. If he had to, it is likely he wouldn't have as many points as he does. Not to mention they're only separated by 2 spots here, and if Kobe is fortunate enough to play 10 or so more playoff games, he'll pass MJ for most playoff points ever. Does that make Kobe the greatest scorer ever or would the 40 extra games now work in MJ's favor?
*Rebounds:* MJ is up by a HAIR here, and the main reason is that to his _statistical_ advantage, he never had a behemoth like Shaq or bigs like Pau/Bynum to gobble up as many potential rebounds as they did from Kobe. Addition for MJ by subtraction, but had he played with rebounding bigs like that, he wouldn't have those numbers. Even with Rodman on the team, there were still many more rebounds to be had. Context.
*Assists:* Kobe's ahead here, largely due to his games played advantage. Context.
*Steals:* Context- MJ was allowed to get away with much more on defense during his era. Funny I always hear how "soft" this era gets, but we don't get the flip side of how Kobe has been more restricted from amassing the stat totals as far as Steals are concerned that MJ was allowed to obtain largely because of how much more leniency the refs allowed back then.
*Blocks:* The presence of the bigs meant Kobe did not have to crash inside as much as much as MJ did with their more undersized front lines. He could funnel opposing guards towards the help knowing that they could not have a high conversion rate against the outstretched arms of Shaq/Gasol/Bynum.
*3-Pointers:* The 3-Pt. Shot was simply a bigger part of Kobe's arsenal, from a pure volume standpoint, than it was in MJ's game. Hence the big disparity here. If MJ had wanted to, I'm sure he would have been effective as well and thus garnered a higher amount of 3s made.
*Turnovers:* MJ is in the Top-10 and only 101 behind Kobe despite playing in 40 less games. Had he played the same amount of games, he'd have 21 more turnovers and would be 2nd All-Time behind only Magic Johnson by about 30 turnovers.
So I guess the question I'd ask you is:
_Do you accept what stat _*_totals_*_ say about each player?_
Because if you're going to use *negative* stats _against_ Kobe (More Turnovers/Missed FGAs) that are inevitably linked to the amount of games played, then you've got to highlight the *positive* as well. Which says that:
-Kobe will end up the greatest scorer ever if he plays 14 more playoff games (at his current 25.6 career playoff ppg average) to pass MJ in career playoff points.
-Kobe is *already* a better playmaker than MJ given his assist totals
-Kobe will go down as the better rebounder between the two if he collects 33 more (about 6 games for him)
-MJ will probably remain the steals leader
-Kobe becomes the better shot blocker between the 2 with 14 more blocks
-Kobe will continue to widen the gap as the better long-range shooter between the two.
So, do they matter? Are you willing to accept all of these as true (better scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter) if they end up happening (which would be very eminent if the Lakers somehow make the playoffs his last 2 seasons)? Will you accept that?
If you don't, then your point about missed FGA's and Turnovers mean just about, *nothing.*
Rip Kobe