@@unknownentity8256 I've always used ambidextrous mice of various shapes but always ambidextrous. I have a hybrid claw grip and sometimes recede into fingertip but mostly claw hybrid. Almost everyone in any games professional scene or good aimers with my grip use a right handed ergonomic mouse and I am really considering getting one at this point. I think I might wait for the Glorious Model D Wireless and switch from my Model O wired unit. Like damn every single person I have seen with my grip has insane success and comfort with EC2-B type shape. Might even get the Pwnage ultra ergo model. Don't know why I replied to you to type this essay but yeah just sayin.
@@lerdd5239 I see it has similar shape, I don't know which company originally made it, regardless the shape is extremely comfortable for my hand atleast, and I've tested ALOT of gaming mice +20 years.
From one small yt to another You deserve way more subs, I am not self promoting AT ALL so good luck with your yt career. Keep up the good work, YOU ROCK
Back in like 2016/17 I got global csgo using the EC2A, since it broke nothing has come close. Tried all kinds of modern mice and nothing feels right, always end up back on the EC2. Best shape.
About the cable I can understand, they should use a parachord instead of rubber but the pros prefer rubber even against the parachord as it produces a little drag on the mouse pad, but the rubber just moves perfectly I don't really get it but hey I am not judging anyone maybe it's just a placebo thing
The stock cable is the best rubber cable I've used. That being said it was night and day having it paracorded. The actual weight of the cable is the biggest thing. And if you have it in a bungie you shouldn't feel snags. After using wireless mice the paracord helped me forget the cable was there if that makes sense.
I think mouse and mats are personal choice, also key switches. Somehow I love heavy mouse so it suits me better. Main thing for which I wouldn't considering buying logitech is double click, I have experienced it in there cheaper mouses many times.
When glorious makes the model D wireless that could be the move for you. I had the coating problem with the new gpro superlight. So I got some btl grips which fixed my issue.
This. I tried the viper and just could not get used to it, despite still being able to force claw/palm hybrid. Waiting for my DA v2 to get here, I would get the zowie if they have better cords and feet, and the fact that they cost 100 dollars in Canada with mysterious shipping time.
All mice are personal preference. I used a G Pro Wireless for almost 2 years. It's a great mouse, but I had to adapt to a weird raptor grip in order for me to use it with my hand size and it would get uncomfortable during long gaming sessions. I recently got a Glorious Model D wireless and it's infinitely more comfortable now that I don't have to force my fingers into a certain position. I don't think I'll ever go back to wired, but no one should feel like they need to play with a brand simply for the name and popularity of it.
I went from Ec2 to gpro (way too small) to Glorious Model D minus and finally back to Ec2. There's just something about that damn shape. Even tho the model d is the same shape its a little different at the back.
I had to immediately swap out back to EC2-B the shape is just impossible to adjust for me at this point. The design of the shape is the best for my hand that I've ever used by a long shot and I've played with alot of different mice. Last nail in the coffin was the lightness of the click, literally so light I atleast once a game shot accidentally without intention, lol. I just really wish Zowie would come out with a wireless option to their mice like I've got no f***ing clue why they haven't released them yet. I'd be so happy if there was a wireless EC2-B....
Same here, I've been using the EC1-A for years, and bought the Logitech G Pro Superlight. I will return it at go back to Zowie. Its way to light, very awkward to hold since it's ambidextrous, and mushy clicks. I don't understand how this mouse is so universally praised.
Have you changed yet? The Xlite Wireless just came out for $75 which is basically like the Pwnage except better (both EC2 Clones). The Xlite is an insane deal right now.
Are you still on the EC2? I mained the pwnage ergo for a year and the shape is great, but the clicks are mushy crap. Enough so that I switched to the ec3
Guud vid bro! I use a EC2-A at the moment and love it, maybe change the cable soon or buy the new C version. I also have a EC1-B and a GPW, ec1 shape doesn't feel just bigger but different, and the version "B" means that is has a new sensor (the old one was good anyway...) different coating, which I don't like as much as the "A" version, and has awful skates like 4 small skates on the corners. The GPW is good enough pretty safe.. Just cant aim as well with it as with the ec2, also I have click problems on mine so is kinda disappointing.
i tried the g pro superlight but i couldnt stand the fact that you couldnt adjust the horrible lift off distance and the side buttons are too small for my taste
Used both these mice and had the same thoughts about each. Thinking about switching to logitech g703 from g pro superlight. Shape is king and you earned a sub.
I prefer jumping on scroll wheel because im that guy who bhopping all the time. Is it good to switch to ec2? Scroll wheel on g pro w is perfect but i need some control because sometimes i miss ez shot with tht mouse. Or should i go for g703? To me this is serious. Hope can help.
Can never go wrong with the good ole trusty Ec2 , my aim was always decent with it, even though I use other mice now I can always go back be consistent with it.
@@jhtongamer3151 there is no "best" mouse. Mice are preference. Just find whatever size and shape you like in a mouse and measure your hand and go from there.
same here, i used the g pro wireless and viper for a while, both are excellent mice overall but in shape, my ec1 just has other feeling, cuz i realized my longrange aim in the EC1 is more consistent than the GPW.
I actually have the EC1 and the reason im using it is because no other mouse can fit my palm grip. I've tried Razer Deathadder V2, Razer Mamba Elite, GPW, even some Corsair mice, and no mouse can fit my palm grip. I have 18cm by 9cm hands. The EC1 is still the only mouse that fits.
I wish the EC2 back hump was a bit more pronounced on the right side. That, and I find the middle click too tough to actuate compared to something like the DeathAdder V2 Middle click. Other than that, awesome mouse yeah. Personally I’d love it if Zowie made an EC1.5 since I found the EC2 to be too small while the EC1 is definitely too big for my grip/hand size.
@@whytronicnorthborn7269 I own a DA V2 and V3 and for me the V2 is a lot more comfortable for my grip style/hand size than the V3 - the V3 is less wide and has a flatter right side/less pronounced back right hump than the V2 and I actually find the flare really comfortable for my grip so I suppose the DA V2 Pro it is (my only grip with the V2 is it’s really hard to reach the furthest forward side button I find).
hi, i use a pwnage ergo and a gpx as daily gaming / general use mouses, the gpx basically fixed the gpw problems (even that you can fix the gpw by changing switches and some other small stuff), the pwnage ergo is just good (a bit of post / pre travel but is still good, shape close to the ec2)
i use fingertip grip and have pretty long fingers, there wasnt enough space on the side of the mouse to grab with my pinky and ring finger :/ hope the ec2 will be a bit better
I claw grip my EC2 but the way I do it it's super weird like the mouse is almost diagonal to my hand, I want to get a more symetrical mouse instead but I like how tall the EC2 is and the other zowie mice and all shorter, any recommendations?
I just swapped to the model o wireless this past week and i didnt think i would like how low profile it is because I too enjoy the height of the ec2. But It fills your hand nicely because of the back being fairly wide. I'd look into model o wireless, deathadder v2 and g703 if you don't mind the weight. people say good things about the xtrfy M4 too. hope that helps.
hey, do you still use the ec2 or you moved to something else ? Also thanks fort the video, I have a g pro and I just didnt liked the mouse and didnt know why. Im might try the ec2.
yes i still use it. ive tried a couple other mice since then but I literally always keep the ec2 on the desk. that being said since this video was released there are way better and lighter wireless ergos available, like the deathadder v3
@@beaverg5702 So back to the symmetrical shape? Gwolves is releasing their Hati-M Wireless. Pwm3389, around $100, around 60g and it's got the exact same shape as the Gpro. Basically the GPWSL but @ half the price.
I've tried a lot of mice and I still daily the g502 hands down best mouse ever made up to this point IMO it's like they took a mold of my hand and made this mouse for me specifically
Need a new mouse but idk if go for the ec2, g pro x or g703, i probably prefer the ergo shape but not sure, i own an xtrfy m4 and before was the steelseries 110.
although i did swap to the ec2. i wish i bought the pwnage. its basically a 1 for 1 ec clone thats lighter and wireless. that said the g pro x is for sure a top5 mouse right now just expensive, plus it is really comfy despite being ambi. i wouldnt get the 703 because of the weight but that's just me. I actually just got a model o wireless and im using that over both of these mice right now.
@@beaverg5702 the g pro x on my amazon is in sale at 110€ from 149€ but isnt in stock but u can buy it, basically when they have it in stock they send it, so prob gonna take a long time but only 110, the old g pro still 110/120€... prob this week im gonna go for it, also tomorrow come the g pro x headset, im not a logitech fan, never had a logitech item haah, i hate to have a lot of think with the same company, i own zowie pad, xtrfy mouse, fnatic bungee and logitech headset 😂😁
Doesn't matter. Even if only one dpi profile exists it will be at 800 for a few seconds out of sleep. Doesn't matter if it on software or on board. It's a known issue.
put any logitech mouse in onboard mode and then save the default dpi you set and then take it back out of on board mode and you wont have that waking up dpi bug. it reads the internal chip first then connects to software... I dont know if there are any physical benefits to non on board mode so I just kept it on board so If I had to go to a lan that doesnt let you download anything
bruh is the double clicking really that big of a problem it only double clicks if you smack the button its not like it will just double click randomly for no reason
@beaverG to fix the wakeup DPI change turn on onboard memory and set it 400dpi and remove all other DPI's make sure you save the onboard profile and then switch back and all should be fixed that how I fixed mine it always 400dpi now
whats your hand size? im looking for a mouse and i cant decide which one from xm1, s2, ec2, viper mini. It looks like the mouse is perfectly sized for your hand so if we have a similar hand size I might pick it up.
7.5 x 3.5'' I made this video with a Model 0 wireless coming in the mail and I honestly prefer that mouse. (only been a day) but i would still say the ec2 is slightly more comfortable. Ive never tried the xm1 or the s2 but those have humps that are more towards the back and thats something to consider. Thanks for watching!
@@Leopardipzg yeah it all depends on what you are willing to trade off I guess. for some people they don't mind the mushy buttons of the ec2, for others its a dealbreaker
xm1 replaced with xm1r. S2 can be substituted with PUC Symmetrical. Ec2 can be replaced with Model D-, Gwolves Skoll or PUC Ergo. And the Viper mini? It's in it's own league, exceptional build quality for the price, there are some substitutes but can't beat the Viper mini at that price such as Model O- and Hati-S.
I have used both ec2 and xm1, and s1. Nit s2. The xm1 is a fantastic mouse. The s1 and xm1 are close in shape. I prefer xm1. The ec2 is different all together. Most say shape is king. In that case xm1 and ec2 are close. But I'd choose between those two. Also, remember you have to paracord your ec2 if you get one
you can look for the Vaxee outset ax gaming mosue. they released an ergo mouse around 2-3 weeks ago. Ordered myself and I´m waiting for it. For some people it is the better ec2
@@beaverg5702 its been a long time now i sent my vaxee outset back due to the high hump getting in my way. But currently I use the Zowie EC3 and it is the best ergo mouse that Ive ever used. I have the best aim with it and its quite comfy. edit: my hand size is about 19x10cm
@@alierenelmas I use claw/palm hybrid. for me I can even consider fingertip If I would main this type of grip style. I can only recommend to try it on your own. unfortunately at the current state in europe there are still no new ec1 and ec2 available yet.
I bought the gpw recently and today felt the original fk-2 in store and really liked the shape although the scroll wheel was a big “wtf”. Is FK1 just smaller? Did you go for the updated version or original. Big price diff
I recommend getting a G-wolves skoll , it literally an ec2 shape clone identical shape completely , weighs like 55g , better mouse feet , paracord like cable , comes with grip tape too if you want to cover up the holes and add grippiness.
@@benshiro5008 It's actually in-between EC1 and 2, I have a Skoll that I've gutted and 3D printed a base for and put the internals of GPW in it, so best of both worlds.
You maybe already knows this but mousefeet are a preference so not everyone agrees that having faster mousefeets or lighter mouse are better. I read physics at university and can confirm that "lighter" or "faster feet" doesn't mean better. How mousefeets feels depends on what surface it's on and how much the mouse weights.
used a ec2 fk1/2 and even a s2 all very good mice still have them sitting here switched to a g305 because i wanted to get a wireless mouse....cant get back to zowie mice they are good but the cable distracts me now :/... im happy with the g305 tho
If you used an FK mouse I'd really recommend getting G Pro since it's very similar to the FK shape. (bought one myself but I've used a EC2 so long that I can't adjust to the shape). :(
@@unknownentity8256 dont like the gpro the buttons feels weird and its to expensive for a piece of equipment im prob gonna grab some different mice, saw a s2 clone that is wireless
@@samsatsat not gonna get a razer, dont like the stuff they make, i hate how you need to have internet connection to use their software its trash, im more of a s2 fan anyway, and i already bought the Pwnage symm already
The FK1+ I bought the same time as my second GPW is still good as new, had to RMA my first GPW after 5 months for double clicking and the second GPW I bought also double-clicked in less than a year, the 2 replacement GPWs that came also double clicked with the latest just last year. I had to call it quits after 4 fucking GPWs sucking.
You should try the fnatic Flick G1. The best shape ever. It has a shape similar to the G Pro but so much better the way it should be. But because it's a fnatic mouse no one cared no one gave the hype or the false publicity that these mice receive. When Flick G1 came no one talked about his shape but the G Pro which has similar shape but worst of course with the right media control it's what it is. If you wan't you can even try the Flick 2 despite slightly different it's almost a G1. G1 is just the best shape i ever found to palm grip.
@@fritidjoffen the shape is very similar, but the g703 has rubber sides for a better grip and the side buttons are easier to click. So the g703 to me is a better mouse than the Ec2, but the Ec2 is still a fine mouse.
@Rudra Patel the ec was like $80. But like the video says I don't regret my purchase but I wish I would have got the pwnage ultra custom. And yes Canadian but I usually speak in terms of US dollars because it's easier to understand.
yea but its wired and thats just a fat L for me. my gpw finally has a double click issue and i picked up a model O wireless and I fell in love. model D wireless coming very soon
i love the ec2 and ive been using it for years the only thing that's starting to bother me a bit is that i want a lighter version and upgrade on the side buttons and the scroll
If it's your style then go for it. A lot of people will suggest the pwnage ultra custom symmetrical, as it's a one for one clone and wireless. But if you want the zowie go for it. I don't use my zowie currently as I got a model o wireless as a gift and I'm loving it, but that being said my ec2 is the most solid mouse I own build quality wise. Hope this helps.
This mouse is too bad for fingertrip grip, too tall and heavy for that king of grip, makes you too slow for Fps Games, and scroll is worst for jump and bhop. My g203 is way better and only Costs 30 dollars vs zowie 70 dollars, im Still searching for another option similar to g203 but With better sensor.
@@Matteo-eo2qh thanks, I heard that too but I coudnt find it on Amazon so I ordered viper mini and g pro wired so ill be choosing one of those and returning the otheer one. Thanks again
tldr: shape is king
*looks over at g303*
Me: I guess I have a alien hand.. 👽
Indeed, EC2-B Is ergonomy-wise the absolute KING.
Aspecially for palm grip.
@@unknownentity8256 I've always used ambidextrous mice of various shapes but always ambidextrous. I have a hybrid claw grip and sometimes recede into fingertip but mostly claw hybrid. Almost everyone in any games professional scene or good aimers with my grip use a right handed ergonomic mouse and I am really considering getting one at this point. I think I might wait for the Glorious Model D Wireless and switch from my Model O wired unit. Like damn every single person I have seen with my grip has insane success and comfort with EC2-B type shape. Might even get the Pwnage ultra ergo model. Don't know why I replied to you to type this essay but yeah just sayin.
@@unknownentity8256 how about vaxee outset ax?
@@lerdd5239 I see it has similar shape, I don't know which company originally made it, regardless the shape is extremely comfortable for my hand atleast, and I've tested ALOT of gaming mice +20 years.
From one small yt to another You deserve way more subs, I am not self promoting AT ALL so good luck with your yt career. Keep up the good work, YOU ROCK
you too! Much love!
ncie video , I also decided to switch from a xm1r endgame to and G PRO and now I realized that Zowie is so mutch better . : ) have a nice day ; )
shape is king above anything else when it comes to mice, thats it
Back in like 2016/17 I got global csgo using the EC2A, since it broke nothing has come close. Tried all kinds of modern mice and nothing feels right, always end up back on the EC2. Best shape.
About the cable I can understand, they should use a parachord instead of rubber but the pros prefer rubber even against the parachord as it produces a little drag on the mouse pad, but the rubber just moves perfectly I don't really get it but hey I am not judging anyone maybe it's just a placebo thing
The stock cable is the best rubber cable I've used. That being said it was night and day having it paracorded. The actual weight of the cable is the biggest thing. And if you have it in a bungie you shouldn't feel snags. After using wireless mice the paracord helped me forget the cable was there if that makes sense.
I'm BeAvErG HeReS mY MoUsEs
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I think mouse and mats are personal choice, also key switches. Somehow I love heavy mouse so it suits me better. Main thing for which I wouldn't considering buying logitech is double click, I have experienced it in there cheaper mouses many times.
as far as i know, they fixed the double clicking issues
@@wickedtomahawk9091 I just returned superlight because of it, so not really.
for the sweat problem have you hear of anti-sweat grips for the g pro
When glorious makes the model D wireless that could be the move for you.
I had the coating problem with the new gpro superlight. So I got some btl grips which fixed my issue.
This. I tried the viper and just could not get used to it, despite still being able to force claw/palm hybrid. Waiting for my DA v2 to get here, I would get the zowie if they have better cords and feet, and the fact that they cost 100 dollars in Canada with mysterious shipping time.
How is the deathadder v2 with you is it worth it ?
All mice are personal preference. I used a G Pro Wireless for almost 2 years. It's a great mouse, but I had to adapt to a weird raptor grip in order for me to use it with my hand size and it would get uncomfortable during long gaming sessions. I recently got a Glorious Model D wireless and it's infinitely more comfortable now that I don't have to force my fingers into a certain position. I don't think I'll ever go back to wired, but no one should feel like they need to play with a brand simply for the name and popularity of it.
Every new EC2 I’ve had comes out of box with the same scroll wheel issues, but it always breaks in and feels normal after a while.
Have you ever looked into the G703 and XM1?
what do u think about the new ec3-c?
I went from Ec2 to gpro (way too small) to Glorious Model D minus and finally back to Ec2. There's just something about that damn shape. Even tho the model d is the same shape its a little different at the back.
I had to immediately swap out back to EC2-B the shape is just impossible to adjust for me at this point.
The design of the shape is the best for my hand that I've ever used by a long shot and I've played with alot of different mice.
Last nail in the coffin was the lightness of the click, literally so light I atleast once a game shot accidentally without intention, lol.
I just really wish Zowie would come out with a wireless option to their mice like I've got no f***ing clue why they haven't released them yet.
I'd be so happy if there was a wireless EC2-B....
Same here, I've been using the EC1-A for years, and bought the Logitech G Pro Superlight. I will return it at go back to Zowie. Its way to light, very awkward to hold since it's ambidextrous, and mushy clicks. I don't understand how this mouse is so universally praised.
there is now
@@exoiwnl Yep, I have one.
Have you changed yet? The Xlite Wireless just came out for $75 which is basically like the Pwnage except better (both EC2 Clones). The Xlite is an insane deal right now.
If i would switch from FK1 to EC, which version should i take ( sizing )
Are you still on the EC2? I mained the pwnage ergo for a year and the shape is great, but the clicks are mushy crap. Enough so that I switched to the ec3
if the cable bothers you, you can mod the ec2 and make it wireless using g305
Guud vid bro! I use a EC2-A at the moment and love it, maybe change the cable soon or buy the new C version. I also have a EC1-B and a GPW, ec1 shape doesn't feel just bigger but different, and the version "B" means that is has a new sensor (the old one was good anyway...) different coating, which I don't like as much as the "A" version, and has awful skates like 4 small skates on the corners. The GPW is good enough pretty safe.. Just cant aim as well with it as with the ec2, also I have click problems on mine so is kinda disappointing.
i tried the g pro superlight but i couldnt stand the fact that you couldnt adjust the horrible lift off distance and the side buttons are too small for my taste
can you review the ec3c vs za13b vs s2c ? and different use cases of them
Used both these mice and had the same thoughts about each. Thinking about switching to logitech g703 from g pro superlight. Shape is king and you earned a sub.
If u haven’t swapped yet, maybe CR_Ras from Apex might convince you.
The pros pick the g pro super light, the ones I like went wit the ec2 tho
How is your arm not catching at the back of your desk when moving up and down? I’m having that issue
I prefer jumping on scroll wheel because im that guy who bhopping all the time. Is it good to switch to ec2? Scroll wheel on g pro w is perfect but i need some control because sometimes i miss ez shot with tht mouse. Or should i go for g703? To me this is serious. Hope can help.
i use scroll to jump aswel and i found that its actually a nice wheel to use. just not to listen to. its usable for sure
Bro I literally did the exact same thing. Switched to the Zowie s2 and it's probably the mouse that has fitted my aggressive claw style
S2? You'll like the PUC Symmetrical.
im not kidding I literally done the exact same
Can never go wrong with the good ole trusty Ec2 , my aim was always decent with it, even though I use other mice now I can always go back be consistent with it.
thats what this video is about, despite its flaws i still chose the ec2 over the Logitech. Thanks for watching!
Whats the best mouse for pubg ?
@@jhtongamer3151 there is no "best" mouse. Mice are preference. Just find whatever size and shape you like in a mouse and measure your hand and go from there.
The only one I see is the fk1 -c
same here, i used the g pro wireless and viper for a while, both are excellent mice overall but in shape, my ec1 just has other feeling, cuz i realized my longrange aim in the EC1 is more consistent than the GPW.
I actually have the EC1 and the reason im using it is because no other mouse can fit my palm grip. I've tried Razer Deathadder V2, Razer Mamba Elite, GPW, even some Corsair mice, and no mouse can fit my palm grip. I have 18cm by 9cm hands. The EC1 is still the only mouse that fits.
Dude I have the same measurement as you in my hand, but I use EC2 and I also have EC1 too, but I feel more comfortable with EC2 rather than EC1.
I have tried the model O/O-wireless and gpro/super light... but for some reason I keep going back to my Zowie S2...
I wish the EC2 back hump was a bit more pronounced on the right side. That, and I find the middle click too tough to actuate compared to something like the DeathAdder V2 Middle click. Other than that, awesome mouse yeah.
Personally I’d love it if Zowie made an EC1.5 since I found the EC2 to be too small while the EC1 is definitely too big for my grip/hand size.
you might wanna check out the Glorious model D and the Pulsar Xlite in that case homie
model d or razer deathadder v3
@@whytronicnorthborn7269 I own a DA V2 and V3 and for me the V2 is a lot more comfortable for my grip style/hand size than the V3 - the V3 is less wide and has a flatter right side/less pronounced back right hump than the V2 and I actually find the flare really comfortable for my grip so I suppose the DA V2 Pro it is (my only grip with the V2 is it’s really hard to reach the furthest forward side button I find).
Is this mouse just the improved Zowie EC2-A?
You should try the new vaxee mouse its a better EC and from the same zowie design team
hi, i use a pwnage ergo and a gpx as daily gaming / general use mouses, the gpx basically fixed the gpw problems (even that you can fix the gpw by changing switches and some other small stuff), the pwnage ergo is just good (a bit of post / pre travel but is still good, shape close to the ec2)
and you can make them even lighter, im tempted
i use fingertip grip and have pretty long fingers, there wasnt enough space on the side of the mouse to grab with my pinky and ring finger :/ hope the ec2 will be a bit better
Still using this mouse over the superlight ?
why not get the pulsar xlite or skoll mini?
I claw grip my EC2 but the way I do it it's super weird like the mouse is almost diagonal to my hand, I want to get a more symetrical mouse instead but I like how tall the EC2 is and the other zowie mice and all shorter, any recommendations?
I just swapped to the model o wireless this past week and i didnt think i would like how low profile it is because I too enjoy the height of the ec2. But It fills your hand nicely because of the back being fairly wide. I'd look into model o wireless, deathadder v2 and g703 if you don't mind the weight. people say good things about the xtrfy M4 too. hope that helps.
@@beaverg5702 thanks I'll check those out specially the model o, thanks for the reply
G Pro has almost identical depth to EC2-B
6:25 whats the music in the background?? i have listened to it but cannot recall the name of that.
they say the lift off distance is huge on pwnage compared to 3389 or 3360
hey, do you still use the ec2 or you moved to something else ? Also thanks fort the video, I have a g pro and I just didnt liked the mouse and didnt know why. Im might try the ec2.
yes i still use it. ive tried a couple other mice since then but I literally always keep the ec2 on the desk. that being said since this video was released there are way better and lighter wireless ergos available, like the deathadder v3
you need to do more videos about mice in general, i like the way how to explain.
The pwnage mouse has the fastest feet I’ve ever used. Way faster than the hyperglides I had on my g pro wireless. You should give it a try.
Good to know! I'm using a model o wireless with the same feet setup and it glides better than my gpro and my ec2.
@@beaverg5702 So back to the symmetrical shape? Gwolves is releasing their Hati-M Wireless. Pwm3389, around $100, around 60g and it's got the exact same shape as the Gpro. Basically the GPWSL but @ half the price.
Not exactly the same shape... the hati m is close to the gpro. But made more like model o shape
I am switching to ec1 from superlight lol I found a used one with a pars cord for like $25 so Ima just try it out
Is there any difference on the different color mouse bunjees they have? Do they all perform the same
Bungees are the spring cable holders, if you mean the orange cable on his mouse, all paracord cables are the same and the cable color doesn't matter.
I've tried a lot of mice and I still daily the g502 hands down best mouse ever made up to this point IMO it's like they took a mold of my hand and made this mouse for me specifically
Its a heavy piece of shit.
thx for the video dude
Need a new mouse but idk if go for the ec2, g pro x or g703, i probably prefer the ergo shape but not sure, i own an xtrfy m4 and before was the steelseries 110.
although i did swap to the ec2. i wish i bought the pwnage. its basically a 1 for 1 ec clone thats lighter and wireless. that said the g pro x is for sure a top5 mouse right now just expensive, plus it is really comfy despite being ambi. i wouldnt get the 703 because of the weight but that's just me. I actually just got a model o wireless and im using that over both of these mice right now.
@@beaverg5702 the g pro x on my amazon is in sale at 110€ from 149€ but isnt in stock but u can buy it, basically when they have it in stock they send it, so prob gonna take a long time but only 110, the old g pro still 110/120€... prob this week im gonna go for it, also tomorrow come the g pro x headset, im not a logitech fan, never had a logitech item haah, i hate to have a lot of think with the same company, i own zowie pad, xtrfy mouse, fnatic bungee and logitech headset 😂😁
@@EnormeEkoH there is so much preference evolved. Sometimes you don't even know what you like. But 110 is a lot for a mouse.
@@beaverg5702 yes it is really a lot and it is risky cause idk what should come to me, cause its a new shape for me, im gonna wait atm.
@@CalebAdams2002 definitely a consideration but I think the pwnage ergo is better is almost every way.
dpi can be reassigned in the program by default to shift by 400 and it will always be at 400 or remove 800 altogether and leave only 400
Doesn't matter. Even if only one dpi profile exists it will be at 800 for a few seconds out of sleep. Doesn't matter if it on software or on board. It's a known issue.
@@beaverg5702
got it
@@ffeeman hope my message didn't come off as cold. Thanks for watching 😊
put any logitech mouse in onboard mode and then save the default dpi you set and then take it back out of on board mode and you wont have that waking up dpi bug. it reads the internal chip first then connects to software... I dont know if there are any physical benefits to non on board mode so I just kept it on board so If I had to go to a lan that doesnt let you download anything
I want a wireless ec2-a. What should i buy
He said giggity he is going places
giggity
bruh is the double clicking really that big of a problem it only double clicks if you smack the button its not like it will just double click randomly for no reason
@beaverG to fix the wakeup DPI change turn on onboard memory and set it 400dpi and remove all other DPI's make sure you save the onboard profile and then switch back and all should be fixed that how I fixed mine it always 400dpi now
Do you think you're gonna upgrade to the ec2-c when it comes out?
its not upgrade, they are just different size and weight, its all the same mouse from ec1a to ec3c
@@kallu_saurus so the only difference in ec1, ec2 and ec3 is the size and the weight? So besides that they are all 3 the same mouse?
whats your hand size? im looking for a mouse and i cant decide which one from xm1, s2, ec2, viper mini. It looks like the mouse is perfectly sized for your hand so if we have a similar hand size I might pick it up.
7.5 x 3.5'' I made this video with a Model 0 wireless coming in the mail and I honestly prefer that mouse. (only been a day) but i would still say the ec2 is slightly more comfortable. Ive never tried the xm1 or the s2 but those have humps that are more towards the back and thats something to consider. Thanks for watching!
@@beaverg5702 s2 and za-b have sharp side buttons. I can't use them because of that. the EC2 is spared from sharp side buttons luckily though.
@@Leopardipzg yeah it all depends on what you are willing to trade off I guess. for some people they don't mind the mushy buttons of the ec2, for others its a dealbreaker
xm1 replaced with xm1r. S2 can be substituted with PUC Symmetrical. Ec2 can be replaced with Model D-, Gwolves Skoll or PUC Ergo. And the Viper mini? It's in it's own league, exceptional build quality for the price, there are some substitutes but can't beat the Viper mini at that price such as Model O- and Hati-S.
I have used both ec2 and xm1, and s1. Nit s2. The xm1 is a fantastic mouse. The s1 and xm1 are close in shape. I prefer xm1. The ec2 is different all together. Most say shape is king. In that case xm1 and ec2 are close. But I'd choose between those two. Also, remember you have to paracord your ec2 if you get one
3:08 these buttons/addons can be taken off to save weight and they wont be in the way
they'll save like...0.3g/button? It's worthless, really.
What cord is that on the ec2?
It’s just a paracord . I put them on all my zowie mice
What would be good for Pubg?
I have Ec2-C no mouse in this world fit my hand so nice. I tried g502, superlight, and some other mices but Zowie and Ec2 is just something special...
did you change the feet on it?
whats the diff with ec2-a and ec2-b
you can look for the Vaxee outset ax gaming mosue. they released an ergo mouse around 2-3 weeks ago. Ordered myself and I´m waiting for it. For some people it is the better ec2
At the time of this video that didn't exist. comment back once you get it! I super curious about it.
@@beaverg5702 its been a long time now i sent my vaxee outset back due to the high hump getting in my way.
But currently I use the Zowie EC3 and it is the best ergo mouse that Ive ever used.
I have the best aim with it and its quite comfy.
edit: my hand size is about 19x10cm
@DamnYes Wow! My hand is 19x10cm to. I using the ec1 should i buy the ec3c?
What's your grip?
I'm using claw, sometimes palm
@@alierenelmas I use claw/palm hybrid.
for me I can even consider fingertip If I would main this type of grip style.
I can only recommend to try it on your own.
unfortunately at the current state in europe there are still no new ec1 and ec2 available yet.
best way to describe any zowie mouse: BEEFY AND CLICKY
What paracord are you using?
I have a razer utra-light atm, totally wouldnt recommend especially if you have larger hands
i went from gpw to fk1, best decision ever, so consistent
I bought the gpw recently and today felt the original fk-2 in store and really liked the shape although the scroll wheel was a big “wtf”. Is FK1 just smaller? Did you go for the updated version or original. Big price diff
@@fritidjoffen fk2 smaller than fk1, i bought the fk1-b gloss white with 3360, so its the new, got it for about 70 euro.
Nice video
which paracord do you buy ?
you might be intetested in the pwnage ultra custom ergo wirelsss
I recommend getting a G-wolves skoll , it literally an ec2 shape clone identical shape completely , weighs like 55g , better mouse feet , paracord like cable , comes with grip tape too if you want to cover up the holes and add grippiness.
Skoll is ec1 size, skoll s is smaller than ec2.
@@benshiro5008 It's actually in-between EC1 and 2, I have a Skoll that I've gutted and 3D printed a base for and put the internals of GPW in it, so best of both worlds.
You maybe already knows this but mousefeet are a preference so not everyone agrees that having faster mousefeets or lighter mouse are better. I read physics at university and can confirm that "lighter" or "faster feet" doesn't mean better. How mousefeets feels depends on what surface it's on and how much the mouse weights.
Einmal Zowie immer Zowie. I have got 5 Zowie Mice. 2 versions of the CW (B and C) and I just love them. I love the Mousepads, The monitors...
After trying every ec clone and the g pro i found myself ordering another ec2 lol
what is your mouse pad?
www.amazon.ca/CORSAIR-MM500-Premium-Anti-Fray-Gaming/dp/B0833PQPPG thats the Canadian link :)
Wow i've seen very similar content from big youtubers I thought you had at least 1k wtf
Thank you thats very nice!
10 means 150 bucks , lol
used a ec2 fk1/2 and even a s2 all very good mice still have them sitting here switched to a g305 because i wanted to get a wireless mouse....cant get back to zowie mice they are good but the cable distracts me now :/... im happy with the g305 tho
If you used an FK mouse I'd really recommend getting G Pro since it's very similar to the FK shape.
(bought one myself but I've used a EC2 so long that I can't adjust to the shape). :(
@@unknownentity8256 dont like the gpro the buttons feels weird and its to expensive for a piece of equipment im prob gonna grab some different mice, saw a s2 clone that is wireless
@@samsatsat not gonna get a razer, dont like the stuff they make, i hate how you need to have internet connection to use their software its trash, im more of a s2 fan anyway, and i already bought the Pwnage symm already
G305 and ec2 are not even in the same league when it comes to mouse.
wow ur rlly underrated
Dude i did the same like half a year ago
The FK1+ I bought the same time as my second GPW is still good as new, had to RMA my first GPW after 5 months for double clicking and the second GPW I bought also double-clicked in less than a year, the 2 replacement GPWs that came also double clicked with the latest just last year. I had to call it quits after 4 fucking GPWs sucking.
Which batch is it bro?
You should try the fnatic Flick G1. The best shape ever. It has a shape similar to the G Pro but so much better the way it should be. But because it's a fnatic mouse no one cared no one gave the hype or the false publicity that these mice receive. When Flick G1 came no one talked about his shape but the G Pro which has similar shape but worst of course with the right media control it's what it is. If you wan't you can even try the Flick 2 despite slightly different it's almost a G1. G1 is just the best shape i ever found to palm grip.
Hello your size hands?
Just got the EC3-C. I Wish I had a EC2-C to compare it with
whats yo hand size?
Oops I went from the Ec2 to the G703, I like both mice but at the moment I prefer the G703 just a tad bit more because no cable.
Is the shape very similar?
@@fritidjoffen the shape is very similar, but the g703 has rubber sides for a better grip and the side buttons are easier to click. So the g703 to me is a better mouse than the Ec2, but the Ec2 is still a fine mouse.
u can never go wrong with the new gpro x superlight
yeah its super safe. you could recommend that mouse to almost anyone if they have the cash.
@Rudra Patel in that case the pwnage beats out both of them. im glad i tried the zowie. gave me some perspectives on what i like and dont like.
@Rudra Patel the ec was like $80. But like the video says I don't regret my purchase but I wish I would have got the pwnage ultra custom. And yes Canadian but I usually speak in terms of US dollars because it's easier to understand.
I am big fan of Logitech but not for cs go I need zowie mouse
which store can ı buy this cable ?
I got mine from paraflex cables.
Any mouse can make you good, just keep practicing and we have ability to adapt
nope tried 10+ mouse didnt perform the same with them
yea but its wired and thats just a fat L for me. my gpw finally has a double click issue and i picked up a model O wireless and I fell in love. model D wireless coming very soon
i love the ec2 and ive been using it for years the only thing that's starting to bother me a bit is that i want a lighter version and upgrade on the side buttons and the scroll
try skoll mini, pulsar xlite, origin one x
I still use the ec1 lol
Is ur mousepad control or medium?
control I would say. Im using a new pad now. I have a video on it :)
What you think about zowie s2
If it's your style then go for it. A lot of people will suggest the pwnage ultra custom symmetrical, as it's a one for one clone and wireless. But if you want the zowie go for it. I don't use my zowie currently as I got a model o wireless as a gift and I'm loving it, but that being said my ec2 is the most solid mouse I own build quality wise. Hope this helps.
@@beaverg5702 I don't think pwnage is available in India I've never seen it.. Thanks for the suggestions.. I think I'll go for zowie
What about the fk1 c
thank you yt for reccomending me these vid after spemding 150 vucks on a mouse
ergo that brings hand comfort > ambi that is lightweight
is this the large or medium one?
Medium
Would you still reccomend this mouse in 2021?
This mouse is too bad for fingertrip grip, too tall and heavy for that king of grip, makes you too slow for Fps Games, and scroll is worst for jump and bhop. My g203 is way better and only Costs 30 dollars vs zowie 70 dollars, im Still searching for another option similar to g203 but With better sensor.
@@RgK1988 you should try the xm1r, I heard that it's the #1 wired mouse
ty btw
@@Matteo-eo2qh thanks, I heard that too but I coudnt find it on Amazon so I ordered viper mini and g pro wired so ill be choosing one of those and returning the otheer one. Thanks again
I returned these days back to Zowie also. Fk2 is even better than Ec2. I own both.
Your actually insane at aim labs tho