88. Aiming with Side - Adjustment
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- In this video Barry looks at cue positioning and where to aim when playing with side. As an example to demonstrate this, he uses reverse side when potting the black from its spot and screwing back off the cushion / rail (a difficult shot). Only experience and practice will teach you where and how to hit the ball. This topic has been similarly covered in another of Barry's videos called 'Using side - Experience will teach you'.
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We're lucky to live in an age where such well presented tutorials made by professional coaches are so easy to find and follow. Thank you Barry.
Jack. Yes, if you try to learn the game on your own you will be invalidating all the years of development that the game has go through.
I didn't have a coach as a kid , i was just left to play a game I enjoyed, I'm 40 now, and don't let anyone tell you can't learn when your older, Barry's tips have helped me immensely
james. That's great to hear, keep trying. Well done.
Maybe lot of people don’t realize how good of a teacher Barry is. He is amazing so knowledgeable and he definitely knows how to teach. Helps me and I’m sure it helps so many people. Really all we have to do is pay attention and follow his instructions. It always works believe me. Sometimes maybe don’t understand exactly but I know that if I hit the ball exactly how Barry said it always works. Believe me it works exactly the way he said he does. He is amazing. Thank u Barry!
alex. Thanks for the compliments. I think we all (including me) have to realise that what can come easy for one person can be very difficult for another.
Extremely grateful for yet another excellent video Barry! Thank you for taking the time to make these videos and reply to all your commenters and fans. You really are a wonderful person 😊
Domain. Many thanks for that, comments like that make it all worthwhile.
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I play pool usually but I've learned a lot from your videos Mr. Stark. Thank you so much!
Eren. My pleasure. Pool and snooker players can learn from each other.
What a great tip. Many thanks Barry. I just began playing snooker today after a 40 year break. Nightmare. I was all over the place. (And putting side on incorrerectly just as you showed) I'll be studying your videos. Thanks again.
Now this was a question I was desperately searching the answer to. :)
One of the best explanations of how to put side on a cue ball.... extremely insightful and helpful. Especially the final part about not to aim at the pocket but at an angle (which comes with experience) to miss the pocket. Priceless advise sir... Fantastic coach... Cheers
Glad it was helpful!
Brilliantly explained, when playing side spin you play the shot exactly as you would playing centre ball striking only you play it aiming directly through the part of the white you want to strike, you never simply turn your cue tip and aim left or right, you'll miscue or miss the ball you're trying to hit, other times even if you hit the ball you'll find you've no side or far too much side. You must keep the tip of the cue travelling straight through the part of the cue ball you strike. A good straight follow through is a huge part in cueing well.
I've been watching and following you from inception. All your tutorials are great and have helped me immensely improve my game but i have to say, this video here deals with so many issues and addresses them so well. One of your best videos yet! Thanks a mil.
Aslam. Glad you like the videos and that this one answers a few questions.
Aslam Ismail I’ve just found Barry’s channel. Amazing coach
Aslam Ismail If this guy was any good he would be world champion. Those that can, do. Those that talk about it, Cant. Fact.
wanderer1955 by that logic you are basically saying that jimmy white isn’t a good player because he didn’t win a WC. U are just dumb
Woody81 No I'm not. I'm saying he couldn't handle the big occasion. And he couldn't. There is much more to winning the wc than being a great player.
Thank you so much for this video sir.
I was not expecting to see a full length video on this topic when i asked you the question about moving the tip.
It was greatly helpful.
Thanks again.
Vivek. Side and its intricacies is a popular topic so it was actually worthwhile covering it, I hope it answered all your questions.
Barry Stark Snooker Coach yes, the video was very helpful.
Excellent black pot sir.
I might say that this is the best snooker channel on YT.
Warm regards.
sundu21. Thanks for the compliment. Glad you like and enjoy the channel.
Repositioning the entire cue parallel to the original line and aiming to miss by 1 degree are perhaps the reasons why I miss a lot when I apply side to my shots. Thanks for the tips.
wow. love the way he's explaining. true and beautiful charisma
Wow you just answered the question that i had. I was Playing snooker with my friend and I did not allow for adjustment. Now that I have watched the video I will make some adjustment and experiment. Thank you Barry stark hope to see you in person one day.
Jubeesh. Glad to be of help.
Barry is a great teacher and a gentleman as well!
Really. Thanks for the kind words.
I love the way you coach and pot the ball usually applying your triky skills. Watching you from Kathmandu, Nepal
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank you Barry, been practicing "side" in my club and always missing, I will definitely put your teaching into practice, and make the necessary adjustments, patience is a virtue.
Young. I like the patience bit, you will not learn this game overnight.
Great to see your channel doing so well, Barry. Top bloke!
Groyper. Many thanks for that. Much appreciated.
That was made very clear. That is exactly how I play a ball with side on. But I will be doing it properly from now on. Many thanks.🏴👍
Glad it helped
That was a great video, i've been struggling playing with side and this video is going to help me. Although this is snooker, it's the same principle on a 9 ball table.
Thankyou!
Just subbed Barry. U a true legend of the game and just found this is actually your own channel and not a rip off.
Love your coaching please please please keep these coming. A huge 👍 and I’d buy u a large 🥃 if I could from a proud Scotsman 🏴
Woody. Glad you like the channel, If I'd known there was going to be a pint in it I would have been in Scotland for the recent Professional competition.
Hello Barry, Thank you for this upload, we'll explained as normal, you are a very helpful and nice person for all of us, an excellent snooker coach with many years of experience and understanding, I wish you did one to one coaching, I would spend all my money on you
paul. Its possible that next year I will be in a better position to do this. No promises though at this stage.
Barry Stark Snooker Coach ok but I really don't think Kyren needs you so much lol, time to master up some more kyren`s in the making... Only joking, keep me up to date though if things develop, thanks for the reply.. Paul
Another great video Barry. Keep going! Thanks from Brazil
Jorge. Many thanks, I will try as long as the interest from players is there.
Hope you keep strong to continue this excelent job. And wish someday i be able to do some classes with you. Already learned a lot with your tips. Thanks again :D
Jorge Ribeiro i m coming to sau paulo next month
@@jr307 E aí, jogou com o Kaleemullah?
I've been watching your videos and they are extremely helpful . I hail from a small city in India and there's no formal coaching available here .I've searched for lessons online and you seem to be the best . Thank you .
harsh. Thanks for that, I hope the videos help your game.
What I noticed mainly was the entire movement of the hand. That was adjusted. It's fundamental and you can't just leave your hand placed central and rely on the change of direction from the cue. I learned something valuable from this video to remember which particular side to choose in relation to what you want to achieve with the cue ball.
LIVERNIL. Glad you have learned from the video. Good luck.
Barry you are a legend thanks so very much for your extremely informative and priceless advice.
scambodia. My pleasure, glad you find them informative.
excellent video..... I hope people will pay heed to what you said about different conditions effecting the shot..... also you covered what we used to call squirt, squirm, squirrel..... they gloss over this nowadays by talking about "deflection" .... when I was first learning a hall-of-famer in America told me "shoot 3 million balls and you will have a rough idea of what the balls want to do" ...... GodBless him for telling me the truth..... I hope your students appreciate you sir
and don't forget moisture ......lol....yup.... it can really get tough sometimes with a room full of people breathing on the table..... yup
Jay. You are so right, professional table fitters are always striving to get the conditions right for the players but their efforts are often thwarted by atmospherics at the various venues.
Thanks Barry,how to move the cue for side has had me puzzled for some time,no one else has described the technique
tatstanley. I am glad that the video has helped you to understand the concept.
Great video!! I’ve been wanting to know some tips around this shot for a while!! Thanks Baz!
George. My pleasure.
I love you sir, you answered the question I've had for years! Great job
Prashant. Glad to be of help.
2:47 Barry is a wizard confirmed
Mendel. Side is a complex subject, I hope the video has helped to explain a few things.
Mendel Chow k
I think it was a joke how the black ball appeared out of nowhere ahah
Mendel Chow is
Made me chuckle
Great explanation, Barry! Thank you. (From across the pond)
bicivelo. My pleasure.
That is one of the best counsel I have seen. Thank you!
Chrystian. My pleasure.
Awesome! Thanks for this. I've never known that with side that one expects the ball to slide . It always slides when I strike it but I've always thought that was just because I was so bad at striking with side that the ball was sliding. ..
Really good to know and makes me want to get on a table and get to practicing.
pixel. No matter how good you get there will always be some deviation on the cue ball when you strike the ball with side, however, the better you hit the ball the less deviation there will be, so please get working on that cue action. Good luck.
That is such a difficult technique. I miss most when I apply side and end up making very low scores. Most people underestimate the great skills the professionals have.
Whilst waiting for Barry to pot the black, I went over to BartonSnooker, got a full explanation of how to play side and when I came back Barry just got around to potting the black.
Ofelia. Well done, as long as you now know how to do it, that's all that matters.
Thanks Barry you are truly a great coach
lnderjit. Thanks for the compliment.
I think a penny has just dropped for me! Thank you Barry.
sundowner. It doesn't matter how long it takes as long as you get there, well done.
Great as usual simple straightforward and logical as all good science is!
Kim. Glad I explained it okay.
Great knowledge, coherence and expertise. Subscribed, cheers.
MrRouge6. Great that you like the channel.
Amazing Video Berry.... U r an Einstein of Snooker.....
Wow, thanks
At 7:05 you can see the cue is aligned WELL to the left of the cue ball (from Barry's perspective); in a way that seems to show the object ball will hit the rail several inches to the left of the pocket.
S. When using side, particularly the amount I was using in the video you will have to make some allowance in the aim because you will push the cue ball off line, how far depends on the amount of side, the pace of the shot and how well the player hits the ball.
this is the best coaching online available. Well done Barry! And I know he is right, coz I have gone through ALL those lessons. Have a look at "trickshots fired" my other channel.
amazing barry thank you for these wonderful videos and yes you are absolutely right about hitting the ball better i have experienced when i hit the ball confidently and smoothly while using side i get good action on the cue ball and the pot is successful most of the times i almost feel it even before playing the whole shot that this is going right or wrong how much that effect your game barry the confidence and staying solid on your technique
Hameed. Well done, you obviously believe as I do it is the real essence of the game, hitting that ball sweetly improves every aspect of your game.
What a legend this guy is
Very nice clip i will keep watching yours
Thanks a lot for the video sir. Will surely try this the next time.
shubham. My pleasure, good luck with your efforts.
Finally a clear explanation. Thank You.
Prasoon. My pleasure, I hope it has cleared things up for you.
Please make a video discussing about how to handle the extended extensions!!! I would appreciated a lot! Thank you
Now i know why i miss when i put sides, i could make 30+ break however when i put sides, theres a high chances of missing, over 70% i would miss, gonna practice this, thanks a lot 💕
Mumble. Side is complicated and the cause of many a miss even for good players.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach didnt expecting you to reply, thanks a lot sir, i watch your videos a lot to improve myself, admire you so much, you can even play magnificient at your ages
Wow this guy is a really good teacher.
Thanks, Barry. Great advice.
A great lesson Barry. Thank you.
Brian. Glad you have enjoyed and learned from it. Many thanks for the comment.
Watching at 1.25 really helps..thank me later
wow that's crazy! it's just the perfect speed!
I have watched whole videos like it...Barry's voice slowed down is funny .
Thanks. I didn’t think about doing it. It’s great
Thank u
😃
I would suggest playing 'Snooker Stars' game on the mobile phone. I've learned so much about the game in there and especially about spin. It improved my spin knowledge so so much.
Combine your in-game knowledge, snooker skills and Barry's teaching in your real life snooker and practise, and that's all you need to play like a pro xD haha
freak I play Snooker Star too, I'm level 13, is the best game that exists
Marcus Vinicius Pereira yeah xD
freak. I really must get a grip on all this technology, I am afraid I have never heard of this game.
ummm, i dont think ronnie or ding ever played snooker stars. lol
I've played that game way too much (1,000+ games lol). I usually play just pool in real life but that game has really good, realistic physics. The cueball behaves like it should and reacts to all kinds of spin accurately.
At first the aimlines extend the whole length of the table so there is little to no safety game when you can pot any long ball. But when you get to 100,000 coin games you don't have aiming line on long shots so you have to visualize the potting angle yourself and the game becomes much more tactical and realistic.
Wonderful information sir thanks a ton
gagan. Glad it answers a few questions for you.
Finally a good vid that touches on this. Its been driving me crazy! I always try to add english to my cue ball on shots that i need to play position on. However when i add that english and go for the shot, even a fairly easy one, it misses because my failed attempt at adding english. So i have one question. I wasnt too clear if this is what he was trying to say at the end or not but when u add english, are you suppose to aim to miss according to the english ur adding. Like aim a little off to compensate for the spin? This has been really confusing for me and any help would be highly appreciated!
Mahdee. Yes you do have to aim to miss, how far is the real question. Learn to hit the ball sweetly and the aiming to miss will be less. A good player will aim to miss when he uses side but he will not have to aim to miss as far as a beginner simply because he will hit the ball better. There are so many factors that need to be considered, e.g. Your cue, how far does it throw the ball off line. The distance between the balls. The nap of the cloth. The amount of side being used. The pace of the shot. etc. The basic principles can be learnt from the videos but at the end of the day experimentation and practise are the real answers.
Barry Stark Snooker Coach i see. Thanks for the insight and advice. All i can do know is practice practice practice! Appreciate the help🤝
Thanks for this Barry!
AJsVIEW. My pleasure , hope it answers a few questions.
I see why Barry is emphasizing not to use side for beginners. I was in the same situation once where the cue ball and object ball were straight to the pot. Because I used side too much, I missed the pot.
Excellent video!!!
Glad you liked it!
Well done Sir. Nice teach
Your tutorials are great there helped me develop a lot as a player. I can normally hit a 70-80 break. What advice could you give me to develop even further
Connor. Big breaks are made around the black ball area and this is where I believe most players can improve. Place the black on the spot with an increasing number of reds in haphazard positions but in close proximity to it. Try to take reds and blacks but set conditions on yourself. e.g. No cannons. Use the top cushion. Use no cushions. etc. Good luck.
Barry Stark Snooker Coach, Thank you for the advice!
Hatts of to you sir my first mentor confirmed
Much respect to the man.
Dr.DaveBilliards uses both the pivot technique and moving the whole hand. I dont know all the specifics he’s mentioned, its a lot and kind of complicated. But point is, he does pivot the cue at the front. Now im confused on who is correct 😐
Mahdee. Using side is complicated and is more about judgement when playing snooker. The size of the table, the nap of the cloth, the cue, the tip, the distance between the balls, the power of the shot, the quality of the strike all have a bearing on the outcome. Dr Dave is technically correct but many players find it easier to judge a successful result without the pivot.
Barry Stark Snooker Coach i see what ur saying. I guess im just trying to find a way to simply understand how to use side. But i think the truth is there is no simple way.. there is just simply too many factors, like the ones you mentioned, for there to be a simple ruling of some sort. Well, thank you on the input. Much appreciated. And keep up the great vids sir, you do a great job
it's easier this way, natural angle dun shift. If using pivot then the angle changes.
Verry nice job that helps a bunch awsome
robert. My pleasure.
Old man baz you are the O.G brother man , Rasspect!
Thank you very much.. Another tip thap helps me a lot. Hope one day shake your hand.
helmiton. I would consider that a honour. Many thanks.
your a good coach/player
LIL. I try, many thanks.
I would like see the camera behind the coach, that will give the viewers much more idea about where to hit on the cue ball
Mr.barry thnks a lot to giving good technics i learnd many of things here and try to improve my game,i wana asked how can play h fast short means speed?thnx again and also waitng for reply..lv from Dubai
Kamran. Playing power shots is very difficult simply because it demands greater accuracy and the truth is that the more power you use the likely hood is that you are going to be less accurate. Just keep working on that technique concentrating upon straight cueing and the ability to play the power shots will develop automatically, but in your development never forget that power creates errors so don't use it unless it is necessary.
Very interesting to see how much of a difference these fast clothes make. On my heavy cloth I would be aiming to only just miss the pot
Jon. You are right it does make a big difference, on a new cloth there is an even bigger difference because of the sheen on it.
thank you for sharing you knowledge! :D
Arkhar. My pleasure, glad you find the videos helpful.
many many thanks this video explained all I wondered
linqings. Glad you liked the video and that it cleared one or two things up for you.
*i dont do chicken wings but my Grip moves away from chest on impact of chest on delivery and the cue tip goes to the left after the delivery. what is the cause and fix?*
thank you
Due to different shafts' deflection, pivoting may or may not work. With a very stiff shaft, pivoting will have as much deflection as the change of aim and will maintain your aim line (I know a few people who do this and are very good), while these low deflection shafts work as Barry Stark is saying (I use a low deflection shaft).
John. Well said, every cue is slightly different.
Theres two ways to add spin. Back hand English and front hand English. The way you said doesn't work when u just leave your bridge hand and move the cue tip, does in fact work. That's called back hand English. Front hand English is when u move your bridge hand. I shoot with back hand English, just line the shot up straight, then move the cue tip left or right and shoot. It's worked fine for me. U still need to make minor adjustments for squirt and Deflection depending on the distance of your shot but it works. Watch Dr Dave billiards he explains both versions.
M. I have watched Dr Dave and he talks a lot of sense, its the minor adjustments for squirt and deflection that I find easier to judge particularly on very fine and fast cloths.
You are a class act.
Rabin. Many thanks, glad you enjoy the videos.
Thanks, Great advice
thank u so much u saved my games
Moad. My pleasure, a lot to learn, I hope it goes well.
Wow,this is a shocker for me,aim to miss!?! now i know why i miss when i put side on,going straight down my local club now!
ElvislaD. Please don't forget using side is complicated, there are so many variables that affect the outcome only practise can really teach you. Good luck.
Much appreciation , Thank u
You are very welcome
Great tip sir..
Praveen. Many thanks.
Good lesson 👌
Glad you think so!
Hey mate, quick question none of the coaches seem to address when talking about side. What are your eyes doing? When you address a shot with side is the tip of your cue still in the center of your vision? Or is the center of the cue ball in the center of your vision? If it's the cue ball, is your cue parallel to the center line you are looking down? I'd urge you to approach a shot with this in mind to make sure. When I started thinking about this and tested it I assumed my tip would be centered but I was surprised to learn that I have the cue ball in the center of my vision with my cue slightly off parallel. I'm very curious to know if other players approach it like this, whether both ways are acceptable or if I'm dead wrong and have been doing it wrong for the last 20 years.
Hi Barry, your explanation here said it’s bad policy to adjust the cue only to aim the side…but the good policy is to move the whole bridge hand accordingly to aim the side.
I’m confused now because in another channel, it’s a pool tutorial, the video teaches only to move the cue stick left/right to aim the side while the bridge hand remains in position.
Please advice…
Pool is significantly different to snooker. Don’t cue the ball in snooker the way you do in pool. Pool balls are smaller, and thus they deflect more- this is why back hand english works.
please do a video about deflections. and how to adjust for it. for instance if im putting right hand side on cue ball, it deflects it to the left. So do you have to aim further to the right, or do you do what's called "tracing"? This is something no-one ever talks about
John. I believe I have covered this in detail in my video, please study them. If you apply right hand side then the cue ball will initially be pushed to the left and of course this has to be allowed for during the aim, I hope I have covered every aspect of this in my videos.
thanks. ill have look for it then.
sir,i love your videos,thanks for the tips.
Eric. Glad you like the videos and are picking up a few pointers.
Snooker is basically depend on cue ball (hand ball) mostly video makes on front of teacher, if make left, right or behind the teacher then I think concept is clear and a normal person learn also easily.
nasir. Point taken.
Top shelf stuff. Subbed.
On the opening shot could you bounce two cushions and tap the back of the reds? Leaving it tight behind?….Is that illegal or just foolhardy or risky? Left a like and sub. Thanks.
Resident. The shot is legal, it is not foolhardy or risky but will not really give you any advantage. There is a danger of leaving a touching ball and a good player could well leave you in trouble from that position.
Barry, I’ve been getting more consistant breaks and I’ve been playing better than ever with all of your tips. I thank you again. I have a strange issue I keep facing in probably 1/30 shots. I’ll do my pre shot routine normally, feather and deliver normally and everything will be fine but when I play the shot it feels like a very vibrationy hit. I can feel it in my arm and wrist mainly and usually I will also miss the pot but I can’t figure out what the problem is. Cue plays great and the balls are fairly new. Have you encountered this strange vibration type shot? It also takes a lot of pace out of the white.
Domain. There is always a slight vibration when the cue ball is struck but this does sound a little excessive, I am wondering if something is a little loose on the cue, perhaps the joint or ferrule. Other than that the only thing I can think of is that the cue is a little on the whippy side. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
I love your videos
The Ranter. Glad you like them.
Barry how about the knowing your cue pivot point, applying Back-Hand English (BHE) and Front-Hand English (FHE)? I am a pool player but I've played snooker for a bit. Is it viable to put these method of side aiming into snooker. To be honest I am not even good at using BHE and FHE in pool, moreover in snooker. As always, thanks for the great coaching video Barry.
Vincent. I don't play pool but with the balls being smaller and lighter together with the size of the billiard /snooker table and the nap of the cloth, there are bound to be differences. As much as we try to apply method and science to the game it still comes down to the skill of the player, Judd Trump for example cues across the ball and has to adjust his aim accordingly, it doesn't stop him from being one of the best players in the world.
Got it. Thanks for the reply and advice Barry! May one day I could master and calculate spin.
Barry I have to ask you about a few things: Do u have to aim to miss the pot at longer distances if ur playing it at medium pace ? and how much does pace affect the deflection.. is it directly or inversly proportional to the pace ? would be very appreciated.
Lord. This always depends upon your ability to cue straight and get through the ball in a straight line. If these two aspects are correct the distance and power you put into the shot do not affect the aim. Some players have flaws in their cueing and have learned to live with it and aim accordingly, as long as you do the same thing all the time it will work, Judd Trump is a classic example of this, he aims to miss but rectifies this in his cueing, he has done this from being a youngster so it is grooved, he doesn't do too badly though does he. Deflection is affected by the pace you put into the cue ball, there is always what can be called a rebound effect off the object ball and the harder you hit the cue ball the greater the rebound effect will be widening the angle of deflection.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach thankyou for answering barry but I was meaning to ask you about Potting at longer distances while playing with side when I asked if I have to aim to miss the pot actually ? sorry I failed to mention that clearly I guess haha
*when i am down on the shot i normally cue with center chin, but when i do the dominant eye test, and holing a pen towards an object bring toward my face, that pen hits my right chin. should i trust my normal chin position or the pen test result? thank you very much*
This is what I always don't understand, I've been observing very carefully on how pros apply sides, nobody moves the cue parallel towards the side of the cue ball (like Barry suggested), because if you move the cue parallel, the cue ball will deflect and will not go the intended straight path(in the video the cue ball wouldn't travel the straight path along the baulk line), so I always see pros cue across the ball, and it makes it seem like the pros moved only the tip towards the side of the cue ball. Barry please clarify further on this, maybe with a video JUST on applying sides when cueing across the ball and parallel and show the cue ball's travel path vs. its intended travel path.
I would dissagree, from my viewing perspective it always looks like the cue is parallel, never accross. You do realize, to do this, you don't have to pick up your whole hand you can alter your hand etc. Just like you never see a pro either, site in strait, then pivot either, because they basically know what they are gonna use. Now you do see them completely get up and re-set up the shot, sometimes excessively. While completely speculative as to what they are actually doing, I think this would at least support the idea of parallel. That said, if something works for you then thats great. I perfer players learn from experience then text book cookey cutter pool players.
I think the idea that some pool players use both, shows, it's probably not a defining feature, of a good player.
Dr Dave says not to move parallel. He explained a reason. Something about miscueing but also the pivot offsets the throw. The parallel throws more thus the aiming away from the hole. Any offcenter hit throws but Dave shows how pivoting is better. However, in the end, do what works. Do what makes sense. No substitute for lots of quality practice. Practice well struck shots first. Well stuck is essential regardless of technique. I like Dave’s method better. I’m sure Barry could clean my clock with his method though.
And screw-side shots where you have to do reverse direction are my absolute favorite shots to shoot....
Cory. You can certainly gain a lot of enjoyment from that type of shot.
This is dependent on the thickness of the nap and the distance between cue ball and object ball , a club cloth ( thick nap ) will deviate more between cue ball and object ball when playing with SIDE spin , than a tournament tables nap ( thin nap ) so your adjustment needs to be less on a tournament table , this can only be perfected with practise as every cloths nap is slightly different . this does not apply to straight screw shots , the club tables ( thick nap ) will be easier to spin but slower than thin naps , you can deep screw further on thin nap faster clothes .
PS : I made a 147 break in practise so i know my stuff - just saying.
Louis. Nobody will deny the differences between club and tournament tables and as you say lots of practise is needed.