This commander is COMPLICATED to unpack. Once you know how it works it doesn't seem all that complicated, but getting to this level of understanding was remarkably convoluted. Weeeeeeird. Let me know your thoughts, sound off in the comments.
They probably should've made true damage it's own thing or made it so the actives dealt true damage instantly and left it at that without adding the 10 sec timer on top of it, now it makes sense for Shajar to have the timer at this moment because she has 2 other healing skills but why does that 10 sec timer exist on Choe, I get that the defence tree heal is a thing but all that to synergize with a specific talent tree is unheard of before. I also find it odd that Shajar's 4th when it procs reduces the attack first and then fires off the true damage so the true damage number is very low.
There is one thing I want to see for her. A fully geared duel. Since her heal damage % goes up based on attack and it ignored defense I would like to see just how much she would really do in a real duel. And in a 5v5. I think the results will be drastically better in her favor in this situation.
Need to test with gear since true damage ingores defense. This will bring the trades much closer when shes secondary. Other reports i see is that shes pretty strong as primary, even with YSG
Please remember: True damage should be quite more valuable/powerful the more defense your target has. True damage entirely ignores defense, so when you are testing with geared up marches, specifically against infantry with essentially only defense stats in their gear, you should theoretically begin to see more of the power of true damage.
@@ChisguleAlso the active skill says the percentage of the true damage is directly tied to attack in some way. It’ll be a strange thing to figure out the ins and outs, but let us know if you figure out anything cool ♥️ Great video btw
she has a niche role for lower seed kingdoms where the fighting is spread out pretty thin at later zones in kvk. when paired as secondary for henry, honda (archers mainly) or even edward, the combined 40-50% march speed, single target damage/small aoe, debuffs, counterattack damage and tankiness, she helps you glue to priority marches in the field and makes people question whether or not they should prioritise killing your shajar march. in my opinion she would be just okay in huge ball fights, shine in 5~30v30 marches and also not be viable for the alter.
I have her expertised and she's been a monster in Lost Canyon behind Trajan so far in a mostly archer troop combination. I'm #1 usually but can lose to 2-3 others but I've stopped losing as much to them and holding first more often.
not sure what is confusing. it says whenever “this commander heals” not “this commanders troops heal”. ROK is relatively consistent in their wordings if you pay attention
I understood everything you said lol I like it I like games who do stuff like that! Very tactical and probably have to use the right commanders with her! Great video! ❤
Well, I see a similarity here. Let me explain, When Liu che and gorgo first came up. There were some people using them on open field since there were no other smite commanders to pair, and got okay results in field. I think for now CY and SAD could be paired, and I would assume in the next cycle of archers, we can get a better pair for SAD.
I tested her 5551 and expertise. No significant gain from expertise. Also, she is very good as a secondary commander than primary. Tested her from single target to being swarmed. My conclusion is zhu/Hermann prime as first archer march. She can be used for 2nd archer marcher. Finally she is very good for canyon.
Firstttttt also hear me out, Here is my perspective. I like how they made Hermann with a skill damage synergy that boosts skill damage taken because at the time we had more skill damage comms. I appreciate how they tried recreating it but with shajar a normal damage bonus. It would be been nice on a Normal skill damage archer. Her having 3/4 skills being healing will make her a walking sev wound machine. I also like her tanky perspective but it would’ve been nice on another comm as i said. Also i wish they did mighty shields instead of mighty heal because one has a side effect and the other doesnt. Imagine a mighty shield 2k and 80% of that as true damage. Most people would actually view her as a tanky archer.
All good observations, but that would make her tough to beat on any whale. Mighty shielding would make her unbeatable on a whale alliance. Also, the current model brings back healing healing commanders in artifact KvKs.
@@zkx2417 that's not what I meant. I was specifically referring to Richard, and any Leadership/Support commanders. They provide healing enhancements, and attack boosts that greatly increase the true damage of Shajar.
Archers really needed that strong single dmg comander ,and chisghule made a very good point on that winning and positive trading ,and when choe is here both will be a swarming march what will have strong impact with choes 50%health debuff
Chisgule, you probably forgot that Shajar makes Mighty Heal, not normal heal. This is because you don't see any trigger when normal heal occurs. Please test her in front of Gajah Mada, the only other commander that have actually Mighty Heal.
I'm giving up on Lilith university, Smith damage, skill damage......damage 3, damage 4, damage 5...., hello Lilith, i finished my school, don't need another one just to play the game. Whoever wants to spend money plus extra time for learning obviously doesn't have anything else to do in life.
The biggest issue I see is that if we say we can't distinguish her as an upgrade in a totally even none armaments environment. Once we add a Wedge 30 percent of stats 2 plus legendary inscriptions vs a circle 15 percent of stats and no legendary inscriptions.
Imagine if they had just made them do True Damage and that True Damage instead converted a certain percent of it's damage to healing. It'd be so simple... Ah, but what do I know. :P
I’m currently working on an archer march. Got a max zhuge and 5311 hermann. I have enough to max another archer commander, will it be viable to run ZL/ SAD?
Soooo one thing that’s under-represented in this video is that TRUE DAMGE ignores defense, so the gearless tests we did under-represented the value of true damage.
@@Chisgule true damage also ignores your attack, so it only shines when you are considerably weak comparing to the march you're targeting. not for whales
without question, ZL/Hermann. If you have the GH's for it, max ZL and Herm 5551. if you're behind a bit, get ZL to 5511 and Herm to 5511, then finish out ZL and go back to bring Herm to 5551.
It may be that this mighty heal is the reason she is not doing true damage from other commanders healing. It probably works if commander primary has any sort of mighty heal which in this case will be the upcoming mge. Also have you tried it with perciles he buffs healing might increase true damage?
I agree. Mighty Heal may operate differently than regular heals. Let's see if the MGE commander's Mighty Heal triggers damage from Shajar. Maybe Cheezy Pants will have to reupload again :)
I’ll just unlock her and standby until we hear more from field.. I really am looking for someone to replace YSG on my Boudica x YSG pairing. Any suggestions? I do have Zhuge x Hermann already.
Maybe for some reason they forgot to specify that the healing converted into true damage only works with mighty healing and not normal healing. Hence why the commanders u tried with normal healing in their kit don't deal true damage?
Even if these mighty heals commanders are good they are far away from replacing the march of zhuge and herman prime as the best archer pair available ... So everyone who is thinking that this commander would change that dont worry Zhuge/her is still prio compared to these commanders
Chisgule, if Shajar uses healing from 3 skills and an active skill, does her expertise work double, i.e. in one turn she gets 20 defense and 40% to normal attacks?
Is it possible to ask vip if shajar true damage is only applicable to might healing factor only? That would explain why Charles Martel talents and Joan’s skill didn’t trigger the true damage because it’s normal healing factor not mighty
en su primera habilidad dice cada vez que este comandante , si diría cada vez que la tropa de este de comandante como en otras casos estaría muy bien , bro dile a lilith que modifique eso plis
If you are sitting with ZL/Bootie, and run x2 Smite Inf marches, what are your thoughts on the value of SaD as a replacement to Bootie? If you do see SaD as an upgrade, do we run her as secondary with ZL Skill formation?
I feel like they mixed it up. Her primary would be great for a Garrison and CY's primary would be great in the field. They should have just flipped them, kind of annoying
It specifically says “whenever this *commander* heals a target..” in the active skill. Pretty sure he got it right on the head. It doesn’t say “when this troop mighty heals” as you assume
@@nadz2135 you gonna get clapped more, as she'll be healing units just for them to end up at the hospital, shell do great for a second or third march, since shell be boosting and healing other marches, so she'll be great for whales
Lol, SAD as the acronym. Actually... thanks, Chis. I'll get her from the wheel but won't bother recruiting her until/if I want to buy the bundle that pops. The MGE commander looks interesting but... dunno if it's worth it. 🙄
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This commander is COMPLICATED to unpack. Once you know how it works it doesn't seem all that complicated, but getting to this level of understanding was remarkably convoluted. Weeeeeeird. Let me know your thoughts, sound off in the comments.
They probably should've made true damage it's own thing or made it so the actives dealt true damage instantly and left it at that without adding the 10 sec timer on top of it, now it makes sense for Shajar to have the timer at this moment because she has 2 other healing skills but why does that 10 sec timer exist on Choe, I get that the defence tree heal is a thing but all that to synergize with a specific talent tree is unheard of before.
I also find it odd that Shajar's 4th when it procs reduces the attack first and then fires off the true damage so the true damage number is very low.
Chizz you didn't include the 5v5 reports 😂
Bro I lit literally got zeroed looking at this video. Damn!
There is one thing I want to see for her. A fully geared duel. Since her heal damage % goes up based on attack and it ignored defense I would like to see just how much she would really do in a real duel. And in a 5v5. I think the results will be drastically better in her favor in this situation.
@Chisgule this commander is also not 100% an archer commander ;)
2024: the Year of the Niche Commander. I'm fine with it. It allowed me to catch everyone up 👍
Need to test with gear since true damage ingores defense. This will bring the trades much closer when shes secondary. Other reports i see is that shes pretty strong as primary, even with YSG
Please remember: True damage should be quite more valuable/powerful the more defense your target has. True damage entirely ignores defense, so when you are testing with geared up marches, specifically against infantry with essentially only defense stats in their gear, you should theoretically begin to see more of the power of true damage.
Really good point, going to have to find a way to gear test this haha
@@ChisguleAlso the active skill says the percentage of the true damage is directly tied to attack in some way. It’ll be a strange thing to figure out the ins and outs, but let us know if you figure out anything cool ♥️ Great video btw
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yeah but it's also not buffed my your attack stat and given most comms have a lot more attack, especially in kvk, it's likely WORSE with gear on IMO.
she has a niche role for lower seed kingdoms where the fighting is spread out pretty thin at later zones in kvk.
when paired as secondary for henry, honda (archers mainly) or even edward, the combined 40-50% march speed, single target damage/small aoe, debuffs, counterattack damage and tankiness, she helps you glue to priority marches in the field and makes people question whether or not they should prioritise killing your shajar march.
in my opinion she would be just okay in huge ball fights, shine in 5~30v30 marches and also not be viable for the alter.
I have her expertised and she's been a monster in Lost Canyon behind Trajan so far in a mostly archer troop combination. I'm #1 usually but can lose to 2-3 others but I've stopped losing as much to them and holding first more often.
I want to upgrade to 7th level, confused between upgrading ASHU or Shaja, can you give me some advice? Because I think ASHU is old.
not sure what is confusing. it says whenever “this commander heals” not “this commanders troops heal”. ROK is relatively consistent in their wordings if you pay attention
I am surprised you of all people are not catching on that Sharjar primary’s nuke seems better than her secondary gimmick
Her with YSg lvl 3 museum
I understood everything you said lol I like it I like games who do stuff like that! Very tactical and probably have to use the right commanders with her! Great video! ❤
Great stuff dude. Thanks for broadcasting. 😊
Well, I see a similarity here. Let me explain, When Liu che and gorgo first came up. There were some people using them on open field since there were no other smite commanders to pair, and got okay results in field. I think for now CY and SAD could be paired, and I would assume in the next cycle of archers, we can get a better pair for SAD.
Really really deatailed video about her, great job job and thank you ❤
Shajar primary with YSG looks really good, we now know that her healing is not good so...
Yeah I amsuprised he did not catch on that her primary nuke is better than her healing gimmick
@@WaterMelon-Cat primary or secondary, she's still not a great commander at the end of the day
I tested her 5551 and expertise. No significant gain from expertise. Also, she is very good as a secondary commander than primary. Tested her from single target to being swarmed.
My conclusion is zhu/Hermann prime as first archer march. She can be used for 2nd archer marcher.
Finally she is very good for canyon.
Firstttttt also hear me out, Here is my perspective. I like how they made Hermann with a skill damage synergy that boosts skill damage taken because at the time we had more skill damage comms. I appreciate how they tried recreating it but with shajar a normal damage bonus. It would be been nice on a Normal skill damage archer. Her having 3/4 skills being healing will make her a walking sev wound machine. I also like her tanky perspective but it would’ve been nice on another comm as i said. Also i wish they did mighty shields instead of mighty heal because one has a side effect and the other doesnt. Imagine a mighty shield 2k and 80% of that as true damage. Most people would actually view her as a tanky archer.
All good observations, but that would make her tough to beat on any whale. Mighty shielding would make her unbeatable on a whale alliance.
Also, the current model brings back healing healing commanders in artifact KvKs.
@@john2g1 not really if you saw in the video heals initated by other commanders wont turn into true damage
@@zkx2417 that's not what I meant. I was specifically referring to Richard, and any Leadership/Support commanders.
They provide healing enhancements, and attack boosts that greatly increase the true damage of Shajar.
@@john2g1Have fun using Richard
Archers really needed that strong single dmg comander ,and chisghule made a very good point on that winning and positive trading ,and when choe is here both will be a swarming march what will have strong impact with choes 50%health debuff
Chisgule, you probably forgot that Shajar makes Mighty Heal, not normal heal. This is because you don't see any trigger when normal heal occurs.
Please test her in front of Gajah Mada, the only other commander that have actually Mighty Heal.
Well that wont be able to be tested. Gajahs heal only has a chance of occurring with “Ranged” basic attack. And shajars skills wont work in ranged. 😭
My friend tested with gajah mada and his mighty heal did not trigger her damage
I'm giving up on Lilith university, Smith damage, skill damage......damage 3, damage 4, damage 5...., hello Lilith, i finished my school, don't need another one just to play the game. Whoever wants to spend money plus extra time for learning obviously doesn't have anything else to do in life.
The biggest issue I see is that if we say we can't distinguish her as an upgrade in a totally even none armaments environment. Once we add a Wedge 30 percent of stats 2 plus legendary inscriptions vs a circle 15 percent of stats and no legendary inscriptions.
Thanks for your dedication and hard work for us.
Imagine if they had just made them do True Damage and that True Damage instead converted a certain percent of it's damage to healing. It'd be so simple... Ah, but what do I know. :P
Why don't we split Zhuge and Herman so one will survive longer and provide more benefits in the long run?
I’m currently working on an archer march. Got a max zhuge and 5311 hermann. I have enough to max another archer commander, will it be viable to run ZL/ SAD?
Invested so many gems on first two days of spinning and I'm left in like what should I do tomorrow mode 🤦
Soooo one thing that’s under-represented in this video is that TRUE DAMGE ignores defense, so the gearless tests we did under-represented the value of true damage.
@@Chisgule true damage also ignores your attack, so it only shines when you are considerably weak comparing to the march you're targeting. not for whales
If i start now with one archer march, what i must choose? I think the best is already zhuge hermann but i don’t know
without question, ZL/Hermann. If you have the GH's for it, max ZL and Herm 5551. if you're behind a bit, get ZL to 5511 and Herm to 5511, then finish out ZL and go back to bring Herm to 5551.
OKAY so ill just summon her and ill bench her until another new commander has good sinergy with her. 😅
It may be that this mighty heal is the reason she is not doing true damage from other commanders healing.
It probably works if commander primary has any sort of mighty heal which in this case will be the upcoming mge.
Also have you tried it with perciles he buffs healing might increase true damage?
I agree. Mighty Heal may operate differently than regular heals. Let's see if the MGE commander's Mighty Heal triggers damage from Shajar. Maybe Cheezy Pants will have to reupload again :)
Yall are FAST
for 1v1, you have to use it as primary commander.
Why dont you test with Bou, why do you so obsessed with Ashur? And why do you show 5551 results, it's not relevant.
I’ll just unlock her and standby until we hear more from field.. I really am looking for someone to replace YSG on my Boudica x YSG pairing. Any suggestions?
I do have Zhuge x Hermann already.
Would you focus your circle armaments on damage bonuses over archer health?
Hi!, i have boudica and ZL... everyone says that boudica is outdated... i want to take out her... i make herman or the new commander?
Make Herman prime brother
I have zhuge/herman and budica nebu. Would you suggest investing in her to replace budica or continue to save for the next new set of commanders?
wait for the open field results
@@moaazahmad5058 he already open field tested in his recent live
Maybe for some reason they forgot to specify that the healing converted into true damage only works with mighty healing and not normal healing. Hence why the commanders u tried with normal healing in their kit don't deal true damage?
So what's your advice on if you have no archer March yet?
Does her third skill, triggering her active 3 times, trigger Ash’s expertise 3 times?! Could be why you saw best results with Ash?
5:21 you healed yourself at 20th turn with 190,then next turn you cause true damage to Guan (3*190=570) but also 3 times. 😅
I’ve got literally every archer except ashur and these new ones, what should I do?
thutmosis relic x3 be amazing with her for the openfield
I wanna make first Archer March so what if should be zhuge Herman or anything else ?
What talent tree would you recommend?
Healing and mighty healing don't go in sync, maybe the MGE commanders MIGHTY healing wil be in sync with her
Even if these mighty heals commanders are good they are far away from replacing the march of zhuge and herman prime as the best archer pair available ... So everyone who is thinking that this commander would change that dont worry Zhuge/her is still prio compared to these commanders
Chisgule, if Shajar uses healing from 3 skills and an active skill, does her expertise work double, i.e. in one turn she gets 20 defense and 40% to normal attacks?
no they don't stack
Is it possible to ask vip if shajar true damage is only applicable to might healing factor only? That would explain why Charles Martel talents and Joan’s skill didn’t trigger the true damage because it’s normal healing factor not mighty
Make a test now with full gear. 1v1 and 5v5 scenario.
Re upload or new perspective?
Re upload, but information is no longer incorrect
new information
@@thempenginsplay 🤣🤣
@@Chisgulealr thanks
I have 2 archer sets but if the future of archer is mighty healing, I skip them all.
😂 it makes sense! Otherwise, CY heals and SJ does true damage, SJ heals and CY does damage, that’s just too much damage!
Wouldn't the more accurate testing be get 60 people in Ark with 5 marches each and fight in a murder ball with. The 5v5 seems a bit canyonish.
en su primera habilidad dice cada vez que este comandante , si diría cada vez que la tropa de este de comandante como en otras casos estaría muy bien , bro dile a lilith que modifique eso plis
Así como va redactado tu comment, Chisgule no te va a entender ni con el traductor 😂
@@sojiroseta8393 jaja igual report lilith
If you are sitting with ZL/Bootie, and run x2 Smite Inf marches, what are your thoughts on the value of SaD as a replacement to Bootie? If you do see SaD as an upgrade, do we run her as secondary with ZL Skill formation?
Shajar gonna be target locked on field like Boudica P
If only her true damage worked on other commander heals Huo Shajar might have been a good artifact combo
I feel like they mixed it up. Her primary would be great for a Garrison and CY's primary would be great in the field. They should have just flipped them, kind of annoying
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so do you need to use circle formation on here or can i use wedge ?
tried circle, addtional heal worked
I think you got it wrong, mighty heals are what trigger the true damage but not normal heals.
It specifically says “whenever this *commander* heals a target..” in the active skill. Pretty sure he got it right on the head. It doesn’t say “when this troop mighty heals” as you assume
@@TheLazyGoose but then again we regularly saw 'errors' in the skill descriptions as asian servers have a different describing?
Eu testei ela em muitas duplas e de 1vs1, 3vs3 e 5vs5 e na minha opinião ela fica melhor de primária
There are way to many formations for fighting as it is. Lilith is getting crazy with it
1st in 10 secs😎
Could you do a video about the upcoming kvk in kingdom 90 etc
Does it work with gilgamesh bloodthirst debuff?
If I only have zhuge ysg should I max her and pair with zhuge? Because I’m getting clapped lol @CHISGULE yes or no😂
i had only ZL maxed, so i maxed herman earlier today after i saw her tests
@@p.sthedrunkgamer6424 idk man I’m leaning more towards her but not sure
@@nadz2135 you gonna get clapped more, as she'll be healing units just for them to end up at the hospital, shell do great for a second or third march, since shell be boosting and healing other marches, so she'll be great for whales
I think you forgot to test Boudi + Shajar in a 1 v 1 or 5 v 5, you only tested it on a barb which is not the same.
He did test it and it got wrecked...I was hoping for that combo to work too...however I'm not sure why he did not try trajan in 5v5 🤷
Other than circle formation will not be useful for this true dmg, otherwise there are many resources that can help other skill dmg...
Im skip shajar, shajar good for chain barb and canyon. keep gh and still wait for next new commander :)
hi, now 2 kvk is over and I have 1000 GH and the expertise of Mina, YSG and 5551 Saladin, what do I need next?
my take is go for ZL to pair with ysg, then ww and LC, then you can go for herman prime to pair with ZL
Liu che can't go wrong
Lol, SAD as the acronym.
Actually... thanks, Chis. I'll get her from the wheel but won't bother recruiting her until/if I want to buy the bundle that pops.
The MGE commander looks interesting but... dunno if it's worth it. 🙄
I used to be addicted to this game but to be honest it gets you no where in life. For 2 years I stopped playing it and put my money in the stock market and earning a lot more now I about to buy my new house. If you want to win in life invest I something real not imaginary win because when you closed the app you will still be a loser. This game is decided for losers who craving for wins in life and drain your money 😊 if you are not a spender congratulations you win this game. 😊
So should she be primary or 2ndary?
primary
I stay with zhu and herman
If u are not sure. Why make a video?
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Bro. Chis. Its pronounced as "Shahar". Dude you all act smart by being fancy with how you say Tariq but you mess this one up? Get your act together.
I wanna see her in a rally against a flag
What should i investment in her if my two expertise commanders are boudica and zhuge ... Im a f2p archer player
Didn’t I just watch a video haha
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