Honestly I don’t know but Omni where is the potentate challenge for the avatar frame you still haven’t done it I asked you at a live stream and you agreed but still didn’t do it I am still waiting
Kill points only tell half a story, we have a guy in the kingdom who has recently been caught faking all his stats and killing like every kvk 20m t4 of his own farms and stealing mge. Would be nice if Lilith made a breakdown on kp gained against own kingdom and kp gained against another kingdom
It's a free game after all, but you have to invest in the game the amount you want to invest in yourself playing the game. If you want to have a real life then be f2p. If for you, it's a job, so yeah, put some money to have fun if you want. There's no point in inflating your account with your money just to do nothing or buying a whale account to fake playtime. People care more about appearance, even in virtual games jezz.
man imagine the guy was just busy at work or something irl. came home to relax and play rok just to see thousand of dollars in investment burned i would cry tbh
But if someone is deadweight aren’t they asked to leave the kingdom and if they chose not to thats when they get zerod, so this was not a good move even tho i do not the conversation they might had. This shows if a player at the end of kvk his performance isn’t good and leadership just go and zero you instead of saying “hey you performed bad in kvk..please leave.”
@Death_kxng yeah, I gotta agree with you, bro. We literally know nothing but what the reports say. Could be so many different circumstances. Could be a shxt led kd, could be that he's actually a deadweight, Could be dude had something happen to him, so many possibilities. I've learned to take what people say with a grain of salt, as a kd officer, and do my own research. I've seen some seriously shit kds.
I spent 3 kvk playing for this Vietnamese kd, and I played pretty hard and was very active (was in top-5 of total kills for kvk 5). But as f2p, my dead counts were always too low for quotas (even though I could generate lots of enemy losses, that never mattered to them), so they gave me orders to migrate after the next kvk. I made a restart and was going to migrate back to kvk2, but needed 2 more weeks until my new kd exited kvk1. Even though I had bought 30 passports from the king (paying 1 Billion in total resources), they zeroed me anyway while I was afk. It was in the home kingdom, so all 3 million T5 troops were lost (2 years worth of saving up troops as ftp) My intent was to use those troops to migrate to kvk2 as a f2p whale in a new younger kingdom. But my old kd thought they owned everything that happened on the server, and I would not be allowed to leave with troops I had saved up and wanted to use elsewhere. Even though they knew I was leaving and my departure was less than 2 weeks away, they destroyed my entire purpose of leaving. Once all my troops were dead, there was no point in leaving now. So I became an outlaw, and the kd keeps giving orders to leave but I just ignore those. Someone left me in charge of a fully levelled up alliance. Now I stay there and vowed to get 100x the kill points of zeroing my city. Thus far I'm on 37x. There's a lot of dead T1 in my kp, and I don't even care. There's also a lot of T4,5 in my kp and that's just fine. I farm kill a lot, and can obliterate pretty much any farm, and some lower-level players. It doesn't stop the kd war effort, but it definitely economically costs them (which they will never admit). At this point, I've hit them for so much, there's no way they would ever genuinely be able to assign the label "deadweight". I've created so many Fate Changers, and seen the millions of losses rack up, and I present the scenario to the leadership after every kvk "Hey, we could be on the same side, and these losses could be incurred by the opponent", but the kd is mindlessly stubborn and negotiations are pointless. Ironically I have become more like the Viet Cong than anyone else in my Vietnamese kd. Very capable of operating in the shadows and the murk, while the overarching powers struggle to wipe us out. At this point I suspect the kd's rationale for not cooperating is a racism thing, coming from Vietnamese against anglos, because anyone sensible would've turned a long-running liability into an asset.
Honestly, Lilith should just add a KVK performance history on every players' profile, not just Times named Autarch, Times Participated, and Most Units Killed. :))
Stuff like this makes me feel ill. Happened (on a smaller scale) to someone I knew. He was zeroed after having the bare faced gall to collapse, be rushed to hospital, have heart surgery and be offline for 3 weeks.
@@OmniarchOfficial I heard they were doing fine. Certainly, they never played RoK again. Understandably. It's all just so unnecessary. Just need some sort of game mechanic to be excluded from KvKs. Also feeds in to the idea of bringing players back. As it stands, a player can't step away from the game for a period of time for any reason whatsoever. Either you get zeroed or fall victim of "What have you done for me lately?" in other ways, in my opinion
KP is an absolutely meaningless stat. Are you racking them up in duels during MGE? Are they zeroing dead cities in your home kingdom? Are they, for older accounts, from going back to kvk2/3 and beating up younger accounts with your 2-5 year old account? Are they just from bullying your own kingdom members for, oh no, breaking some stupid kingdom rule over an event? Lilith should create a kvk kp scorecard that shows how a player has performed when it matters - then you can see how you/others have progressed from minnow to guppy to whatever, and its that progression that matters. They also have to come up with a different method of ranking kingdoms/alliances for KVK/AOO so players who rely on being active don't get punished by their kingdom for being active during events. I love (sarcastically) the punishing players for not contributing to KVK after punishing them for being active during the off-season trying to make their commanders and troops better and earning individual rewards, but gosh darn it all the "leadership" want to win a KVK as a bloody C-seed and rising your city's power 10k over some arbitrary limit is BS. As if if being the winner of a C/D kvk is an accomplishment... congrats, you're the best of the worst. smfh. Let the f2p/low spenders grow... low activity kills the kingdom and the game and the p2w just have to learn to accept it. Create a "Mythical" tier of stuff in special whale/kraken only kvks. The 3-5 year old whale accounts need to leave new players (from minnows to whales even) alone. Time = Rewards = Overpowered... move them along. The game's growth is capped because there's no new challenge for older accounts and they bully the new accounts into quitting. The new KVK2-3 migration rule should help brand new players, but I've seen too many SOC kingdoms demoralizing 1 year-old accounts with their 8-digit ID accounts. They've forgotten (or maybe never knew) what its like to try build, not buy, your way up. Players are people and they have a real life to deal with folks! ITS JUST A F"ING GAME!! You have no right to bully people into submission. The "King" doesn't pay any of us to work for their kingdom, so they can shove their ego up their ass. No one is putting "Won a ROK KVK" on their tombstone. I never participate in an in-kingdom zeroing because I'm too f'ing mature to be such a petty ass bitch as most "leaders" in ROK. I have better things to do with my life.
That kingdom has been SUPER respectful to this player. After not performing, they chose to zero him during the start of kvk and not in their off-season. This means he will have 690k of troops in hospital + Get 50% of his dead troops back after kvk. So after the kvk he will be 92-95M of power and can perfectly come back to the game and play again. Would they have chosen a HARD zero in off season, he would be 60-65M and that would have been a disaster for him to recover from. That said… As a player I think it’s super important to be communicating with your leadership. If your very busy in real life, or have some other important reasons why u can’t play right now, Leaderships most of the time are compassionate and can offer u several fair solutions, especially if u have a good track record. And also important.. what impression does your kingdom have of u? Are u this easy going, drama free, positive personality that always goes one step beyond to help others, or to get tasks done? Then u will be judged differently then someone who is not a team player, selfish, without much respect for others and who then gets in such position of not meeting requirements. It’s not just your stats, but your full behavior, attitude, personality, communication, that have influence. PS. There should be an option to set season retrospects visible for all (which now are only visible to yourself)...
What's the actually point in Zero'ing him start of KvK though? Didn't change their seed, gave him hospital bill and speed up cost, can't contribute to KvK even if they want now, still going to be "half" a problem if he doesn't migrate out, and only made it slightly cheaper to? And if they were going to migrate out, this isn't at all respectful?
@@damien4197 I don’t know what conversations have taken place… Or what the exact situation of the player is. But as someone who deal with this type of stuff for over 3 years… In 99% of cases if players are not performing and not migrate out, it becomes a zero in off season. But sometimes you have this really great player with a good track record. And because you want him to be useful for the kingdom in the future, you choose a milder form of punishment. In the hope that this player eventually will still be useful to the kingdom again. Sometimes this works / Sometimes it doesn’t. But you should only do it if that player is absolutely worth that risk.
Deadweight is always measured by current contributions, not just having stats. Ton of accounts are purchased these days, making overall account stats less and less reliable.
The 'deadweight' concept is the dumbest game design. There's an ongoing rationale for kd's to destroy their own players. What if some players just want to take a break for a bit? For whatever reason, it's just the stupidest game design.
3227 did a horrible job filling that first rally, their deads could have been cut in half if that attila was kept full. We had a guy who used to be in our kingdom act like he was some hotshot VIP, even though he collectively had less than 2 years of game time, just because he bought a 12 billion KP account. He would get mad kvk after kvk because whales in other camps kept exposing him as an account buyer and a fake whale. When we merged with another kingdom he wasn't invited because he knew nothing and kept getting in trouble because he kept screwing up. The last thing I heard from him is that he quit the game because some random guy he gave access to the account for piloting deleted all his troops and gear. Killpoints mean absolutely nothing these days. You are better off hanging onto a copy of your kvk stat sheets for when you want to migrate rather than solely relying on a stat that people no longer trust.
@@cmlcml415 There's nothing wrong with Attila, he still has the highest kill rate of all rally leads in the game, even after all this time. They might have wanted to zero him ASAP just in case he logged in, or they didn't care about deads because they needed to lose troops anyway for a migration.
Defintely agree. Good video on something that ia discussed amoung leadership groups on the daily. I think there are several types of players that are horrible for kingdoms. Deadweights being one of them. the last 3 kd's ive been in had this problem. big players not pulling weight or were inactive. a well organized KD needs to nip these types of players and get them out ASAP.
Rok need to implement an individual kvk pop up button join or decline option. When a player press declined or didn't press anything, their power will not taken as kd power for kvk matchmaking. There i solved it
Killpoints are good to tell the story of an account, but recent contributions it's what matters the most. With how the account market is today, you never now if the current player is the one that earned all the killpoints. When people ask to join our KD, we always ask their kvk contributions instead of just looking at Power, Deads and KP. With that said, thanks for the video Omniarch, super entertaining as always!
We are at the end of a winning kvk and seriously our campmates said they got more KP than us so it was obvious they contributed more, 🤯 we literally did a massive amount of rally and garrison and helped in every way that we could. They never said we would base end rewards on KP, we didnt even know they were tracking data, and as coa lead they never communicated with us (even when they did a huge push) despite us and our other campmates begging for better communication. In kingsland they let us be bait. They say now for Autarch they get 45 or somehting while our allies get 7 and we get 3. We negotiated so we now get 5. But seriously they sat at pass 7 getting city rallies while we protected structures! Shocking 😳
This game is supposed to be fun , its all about stats now , these jobless kings and councils maybe forget that ppl have real life , families and goals more important than mobile games achievements
@@nattacka 1 - you dont own the game so if someone want just farm power and play pve event in any kd , lilith allow that 2-if you like spend your weekend and your days waking up at 2-3h am just to tap on your phone to get some pass and king's land for hours thinking you're a warrior (cause you sacrifice precious sleep hours or youre jobless) go get a work and practice sport (workout or some fightsport)or challenge yourself into irl goals
@@nattacka honestly whats the point of zeroing in the beginning of kvk his city will dissapear in 30 days and at the start of kvk his power wont even contribute to kvk cause he is in kvk and he get 50% back anyways he could have cancer or sick for all we know ngl
if he wants to go offline and not play then good, but if others zero him for that then let them why tf are you complaining? both sides get to do what they want
@@mechzz4226 he spent money or lot of time farming troops and speed ups and zeroed by his allies in the begin of kvk ,so where is the problem ??? Think a little bit with your brain and not your greed for stats and rss
You should take a look at 3339, we are at kvk4 (soc) what will end totally tonight with 40 active warriors and got double star and overall third kvk in a row win with ziggurat at end. On this 40 active warriors im one of maybe max 3 from eu, max 5 is from any part world but 30 is a China monsters with Kraken Dracula (being on many discords alerted about coming to some kd and called kraken beacuse he destroying totally full of kd members with other his citys). The most amazing part of they its that they play previously kvk and no problem handle it playing like 1v5+ kingdoms same time and destroyed them in some hours + lock them, that kingdoms wasnt dead, they have a lot more players and have real good whales. Cheers from 3339 China jungle and if someone reading this is able with us on coming matchmaking next kvk, just think who you take for ally and who to enemy, they not know word "step back" ❤🔥 /Devil Stich
whats the point of zeroing in the beginning of kvk his city will dissapear in 30 days and at the start of kvk his power wont even contribute to kvk cause he is in kvk and he get 50% back anyways he could have cancer or sick for all we know ngl i understand managing deadweight etc but why zero if kvk already started
@@arcana722 Maybe they wanted to set an example to the kingdom and every day you wait the villain could disappear from the 30-day rule or suddenly bubble or migrate.
@@kritischemasse3131 villain lmao theres no villain in rok also if he was a deadweight they would want him to migrate or dissapear but it looks like he isnt depending on context it doesnt make sense they zeroid him in the beggining of next kvk why he gets 50% of troop back and he doesnt even contribute to kvk cause kvk started might as well let his acc dissapear so if he return he can contribute again u literally dont know he can have cancer or be hospitalised it really depends a fighter like him should really not be zeroid unless they didnt contribute anything for a few kvks for no reason
The "Deadweight" concept is the worst part of this game. Under the rationale of "matchmaking", kingdoms use this as rationale to destroy endless amounts of cities. In this game the true danger is from your own kingdom, trying to avoid getting zeroed from the enemy is easy, just stay on territory or shield. But your own kingdom will betray you while you're afk. And this happens way too much. Why doesn't the game change the matchmaking mechanics so that its unnecessary to always be killing your allies? It would also allow siege to proliferate, all kingdoms basically make everyone delete all their siege.
Problem nowadays is , theres a lot of new players with bought accounts. ive seen players with 3+ years old accounts , 100mil+ power , 12b+ KP and have no clue how to open a rally...
Yes i can agree with you on that i was in the same kvk with 3227 and they did their allies dirty betrayed them and made a whole shenanigans and lost all of their fame and glory now just a red flag for others...please if you see them on kvk ally with caution...
I want to say something but it was on vid that was a few months ago so I'm putting it here, I had found a glitch of sorts prob thx to my dog water wifi, that it reseted all the tribal villages I already claimed a reward from, and it reseted all the mysterious caves, I already explored 😅
Assumes kingdoms have the slightest idea why people dont do much in kvk. Could be clear reasons from sickness, or deaths, to holidays, to work, to trying to achieve something, or recover from previous kvk.Many things are far more important. Also assumes most kingdoms turning up for kvk now serves any rational point when the vast majority of kingdoms are doomed to lose by it and have zero chance of winning or getting a positive return. If the obsessive compulsives who want to lose for the umpteenth time want to repeat why expect others to follow? The answer is to have quiet kingdoms, with city attacks blocked, for those who want to build not lose kvks and those with higher priorities to move to. The makers would make more than if people just decide its nonsense and go. Our last king went on a rampage- burning with no sense. They went to kvk and as usual got stuck in zone 1. The collective losses from burning cities and the kvk then saw them weakened enough to be burnt by the next itself appointed leader...
There was a much more interesting story that happened in that kvk. One (a different one), who was a leader in 3227 (has 20B KP) was also zeroed. 3227 not so keen to share that story though, this player lost them their kvk. 3227, a kingdom of betrayers, ally with them with caution.
People forget that these really big accounts are bought and sold and bought and sold and bought and sold so that KP might have been accumulated by three different owners of that account lol he probably spent $500 on it fought one KVK and just quit. The selling of these accounts is really hurting the game I think.
We just beat them in kvk, they were fire camp and they zeroed him because he gave away plans that they were going to steal lost temple in the end after the stage a betrayal. Once we heard about it, we acted and kicked them back to zone 4 and made new coalitions. One was the loser who had to pay lol
it's absolutely disgusting to see how easily you can erase years of progress in a matter of minutes.. zeroing cities shouldn't be that easy, it shouldn't be a thing in the first place, because it's absolutely dumb how long does it take to build it vs. how long it takes to destroy it.. and let's be honest, the attacker will almost always have better trades, even though the city should provide more protection and usually has a lot more units available.. it's just another stupid mechanic in the game and a lot of brain dead players are literally happy to reset someone.. the fact is, if you want to play this game you definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, have to treat this game as a full time job or they will zero you, but not everyone has all the time in the world to play this game, so it's just plain stupid that this is a thing..
I don’t participate it rallies against teammates, you just don’t know what happened, this guy has been a power house, his kill points are high, they should of let him be, they lost a good player, that would of came back from what ever issues they had..
People who did this to this Men, are brain dead, like rest who, is doing this. After all Is just a game and there are more important things in life than fights in days and Nights in KvK. If this game is more important to you than normal life, you need help.
Now he is 50mil of deadweight forever. So stupid unloyal. If they keep doing this they will eventually end up with 100 50mil deadweight accounts. Foolish behavior
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Honestly I don’t know but Omni where is the potentate challenge for the avatar frame you still haven’t done it I asked you at a live stream and you agreed but still didn’t do it I am still waiting
Also nice vid ❤
Kill points only tell half a story, we have a guy in the kingdom who has recently been caught faking all his stats and killing like every kvk 20m t4 of his own farms and stealing mge. Would be nice if Lilith made a breakdown on kp gained against own kingdom and kp gained against another kingdom
It's a free game after all, but you have to invest in the game the amount you want to invest in yourself playing the game.
If you want to have a real life then be f2p. If for you, it's a job, so yeah, put some money to have fun if you want.
There's no point in inflating your account with your money just to do nothing or buying a whale account to fake playtime. People care more about appearance, even in virtual games jezz.
man imagine the guy was just busy at work or something irl. came home to relax and play rok just to see thousand of dollars in investment burned i would cry tbh
@@johannexiaohan same, surely leadership would have tried to reach out tho, they lost a ton of troops just for that at the beginning of kvk 💀
But if someone is deadweight aren’t they asked to leave the kingdom and if they chose not to thats when they get zerod, so this was not a good move even tho i do not the conversation they might had. This shows if a player at the end of kvk his performance isn’t good and leadership just go and zero you instead of saying “hey you performed bad in kvk..please leave.”
So a little context would be nice instead of showing the zero alone instead of just saying he is deadweight.
@Death_kxng yeah, I gotta agree with you, bro. We literally know nothing but what the reports say. Could be so many different circumstances. Could be a shxt led kd, could be that he's actually a deadweight, Could be dude had something happen to him, so many possibilities. I've learned to take what people say with a grain of salt, as a kd officer, and do my own research. I've seen some seriously shit kds.
Id sue
I spent 3 kvk playing for this Vietnamese kd, and I played pretty hard and was very active (was in top-5 of total kills for kvk 5). But as f2p, my dead counts were always too low for quotas (even though I could generate lots of enemy losses, that never mattered to them), so they gave me orders to migrate after the next kvk.
I made a restart and was going to migrate back to kvk2, but needed 2 more weeks until my new kd exited kvk1.
Even though I had bought 30 passports from the king (paying 1 Billion in total resources), they zeroed me anyway while I was afk. It was in the home kingdom, so all 3 million T5 troops were lost (2 years worth of saving up troops as ftp)
My intent was to use those troops to migrate to kvk2 as a f2p whale in a new younger kingdom. But my old kd thought they owned everything that happened on the server, and I would not be allowed to leave with troops I had saved up and wanted to use elsewhere.
Even though they knew I was leaving and my departure was less than 2 weeks away, they destroyed my entire purpose of leaving. Once all my troops were dead, there was no point in leaving now.
So I became an outlaw, and the kd keeps giving orders to leave but I just ignore those. Someone left me in charge of a fully levelled up alliance.
Now I stay there and vowed to get 100x the kill points of zeroing my city. Thus far I'm on 37x.
There's a lot of dead T1 in my kp, and I don't even care. There's also a lot of T4,5 in my kp and that's just fine. I farm kill a lot, and can obliterate pretty much any farm, and some lower-level players. It doesn't stop the kd war effort, but it definitely economically costs them (which they will never admit).
At this point, I've hit them for so much, there's no way they would ever genuinely be able to assign the label "deadweight". I've created so many Fate Changers, and seen the millions of losses rack up, and I present the scenario to the leadership after every kvk "Hey, we could be on the same side, and these losses could be incurred by the opponent", but the kd is mindlessly stubborn and negotiations are pointless.
Ironically I have become more like the Viet Cong than anyone else in my Vietnamese kd. Very capable of operating in the shadows and the murk, while the overarching powers struggle to wipe us out. At this point I suspect the kd's rationale for not cooperating is a racism thing, coming from Vietnamese against anglos, because anyone sensible would've turned a long-running liability into an asset.
Honestly, Lilith should just add a KVK performance history on every players' profile, not just Times named Autarch, Times Participated, and Most Units Killed. :))
Stuff like this makes me feel ill. Happened (on a smaller scale) to someone I knew. He was zeroed after having the bare faced gall to collapse, be rushed to hospital, have heart surgery and be offline for 3 weeks.
@@frondulant oof I hope they’re okay 🙏🙏
@@OmniarchOfficial I heard they were doing fine. Certainly, they never played RoK again. Understandably. It's all just so unnecessary. Just need some sort of game mechanic to be excluded from KvKs. Also feeds in to the idea of bringing players back. As it stands, a player can't step away from the game for a period of time for any reason whatsoever. Either you get zeroed or fall victim of "What have you done for me lately?" in other ways, in my opinion
KP is an absolutely meaningless stat. Are you racking them up in duels during MGE? Are they zeroing dead cities in your home kingdom? Are they, for older accounts, from going back to kvk2/3 and beating up younger accounts with your 2-5 year old account? Are they just from bullying your own kingdom members for, oh no, breaking some stupid kingdom rule over an event?
Lilith should create a kvk kp scorecard that shows how a player has performed when it matters - then you can see how you/others have progressed from minnow to guppy to whatever, and its that progression that matters. They also have to come up with a different method of ranking kingdoms/alliances for KVK/AOO so players who rely on being active don't get punished by their kingdom for being active during events. I love (sarcastically) the punishing players for not contributing to KVK after punishing them for being active during the off-season trying to make their commanders and troops better and earning individual rewards, but gosh darn it all the "leadership" want to win a KVK as a bloody C-seed and rising your city's power 10k over some arbitrary limit is BS. As if if being the winner of a C/D kvk is an accomplishment... congrats, you're the best of the worst. smfh.
Let the f2p/low spenders grow... low activity kills the kingdom and the game and the p2w just have to learn to accept it. Create a "Mythical" tier of stuff in special whale/kraken only kvks. The 3-5 year old whale accounts need to leave new players (from minnows to whales even) alone. Time = Rewards = Overpowered... move them along. The game's growth is capped because there's no new challenge for older accounts and they bully the new accounts into quitting. The new KVK2-3 migration rule should help brand new players, but I've seen too many SOC kingdoms demoralizing 1 year-old accounts with their 8-digit ID accounts. They've forgotten (or maybe never knew) what its like to try build, not buy, your way up.
Players are people and they have a real life to deal with folks! ITS JUST A F"ING GAME!! You have no right to bully people into submission. The "King" doesn't pay any of us to work for their kingdom, so they can shove their ego up their ass. No one is putting "Won a ROK KVK" on their tombstone. I never participate in an in-kingdom zeroing because I'm too f'ing mature to be such a petty ass bitch as most "leaders" in ROK. I have better things to do with my life.
That kingdom has been SUPER respectful to this player. After not performing, they chose to zero him during the start of kvk and not in their off-season. This means he will have 690k of troops in hospital + Get 50% of his dead troops back after kvk. So after the kvk he will be 92-95M of power and can perfectly come back to the game and play again. Would they have chosen a HARD zero in off season, he would be 60-65M and that would have been a disaster for him to recover from.
That said… As a player I think it’s super important to be communicating with your leadership. If your very busy in real life, or have some other important reasons why u can’t play right now, Leaderships most of the time are compassionate and can offer u several fair solutions, especially if u have a good track record. And also important.. what impression does your kingdom have of u? Are u this easy going, drama free, positive personality that always goes one step beyond to help others, or to get tasks done? Then u will be judged differently then someone who is not a team player, selfish, without much respect for others and who then gets in such position of not meeting requirements.
It’s not just your stats, but your full behavior, attitude, personality, communication, that have influence.
PS. There should be an option to set season retrospects visible for all (which now are only visible to yourself)...
WELL SAID!!! ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT!!! 100% agree. I DO wish we had more context on the situation though. That would be nice.
What's the actually point in Zero'ing him start of KvK though? Didn't change their seed, gave him hospital bill and speed up cost, can't contribute to KvK even if they want now, still going to be "half" a problem if he doesn't migrate out, and only made it slightly cheaper to? And if they were going to migrate out, this isn't at all respectful?
@@damien4197 I don’t know what conversations have taken place… Or what the exact situation of the player is. But as someone who deal with this type of stuff for over 3 years… In 99% of cases if players are not performing and not migrate out, it becomes a zero in off season. But sometimes you have this really great player with a good track record. And because you want him to be useful for the kingdom in the future, you choose a milder form of punishment. In the hope that this player eventually will still be useful to the kingdom again. Sometimes this works / Sometimes it doesn’t. But you should only do it if that player is absolutely worth that risk.
Deadweight is always measured by current contributions, not just having stats.
Ton of accounts are purchased these days, making overall account stats less and less reliable.
The 'deadweight' concept is the dumbest game design. There's an ongoing rationale for kd's to destroy their own players. What if some players just want to take a break for a bit? For whatever reason, it's just the stupidest game design.
@@randomposter1980 well theyre adding a way around it in a week, do there's that
3227 did a horrible job filling that first rally, their deads could have been cut in half if that attila was kept full.
We had a guy who used to be in our kingdom act like he was some hotshot VIP, even though he collectively had less than 2 years of game time, just because he bought a 12 billion KP account. He would get mad kvk after kvk because whales in other camps kept exposing him as an account buyer and a fake whale. When we merged with another kingdom he wasn't invited because he knew nothing and kept getting in trouble because he kept screwing up. The last thing I heard from him is that he quit the game because some random guy he gave access to the account for piloting deleted all his troops and gear.
Killpoints mean absolutely nothing these days. You are better off hanging onto a copy of your kvk stat sheets for when you want to migrate rather than solely relying on a stat that people no longer trust.
Lol sorry but using Attila for first rally then they are already very noob
@@cmlcml415 There's nothing wrong with Attila, he still has the highest kill rate of all rally leads in the game, even after all this time. They might have wanted to zero him ASAP just in case he logged in, or they didn't care about deads because they needed to lose troops anyway for a migration.
@@K3pT0K prob they didn't care about the dead, if they did then they did it wrong to start with Attila
Defintely agree. Good video on something that ia discussed amoung leadership groups on the daily.
I think there are several types of players that are horrible for kingdoms. Deadweights being one of them. the last 3 kd's ive been in had this problem. big players not pulling weight or were inactive. a well organized KD needs to nip these types of players and get them out ASAP.
imagine taking a nap just to wake up to see your account zeroed and your profile in onniarch’s thump-mail
@@tsupapimunianio69 LMAOOO
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rok need to implement an individual kvk pop up button join or decline option. When a player press declined or didn't press anything, their power will not taken as kd power for kvk matchmaking. There i solved it
Killpoints are good to tell the story of an account, but recent contributions it's what matters the most. With how the account market is today, you never now if the current player is the one that earned all the killpoints. When people ask to join our KD, we always ask their kvk contributions instead of just looking at Power, Deads and KP.
With that said, thanks for the video Omniarch, super entertaining as always!
ROK is a full time job...
yeah maybe i should quit the game while i can
We are at the end of a winning kvk and seriously our campmates said they got more KP than us so it was obvious they contributed more, 🤯 we literally did a massive amount of rally and garrison and helped in every way that we could. They never said we would base end rewards on KP, we didnt even know they were tracking data, and as coa lead they never communicated with us (even when they did a huge push) despite us and our other campmates begging for better communication. In kingsland they let us be bait. They say now for Autarch they get 45 or somehting while our allies get 7 and we get 3. We negotiated so we now get 5. But seriously they sat at pass 7 getting city rallies while we protected structures! Shocking 😳
"the first time is always hurt" very familiar line
LMAOOO
This game is supposed to be fun , its all about stats now , these jobless kings and councils maybe forget that ppl have real life , families and goals more important than mobile games achievements
then dont get 120m power, or go offline for 30 days before kvk starts, if your toob usy irl to log in for a day of pass opening, then dont play.
@@nattacka
1 - you dont own the game so if someone want just farm power and play pve event in any kd , lilith allow that
2-if you like spend your weekend and your days waking up at 2-3h am just to tap on your phone to get some pass and king's land for hours thinking you're a warrior (cause you sacrifice precious sleep hours or youre jobless) go get a work and practice sport (workout or some fightsport)or challenge yourself into irl goals
@@nattacka honestly whats the point of zeroing in the beginning of kvk his city will dissapear in 30 days and at the start of kvk his power wont even contribute to kvk cause he is in kvk and he get 50% back anyways he could have cancer or sick for all we know ngl
if he wants to go offline and not play then good, but if others zero him for that then let them why tf are you complaining? both sides get to do what they want
@@mechzz4226 he spent money or lot of time farming troops and speed ups and zeroed by his allies in the begin of kvk ,so where is the problem ??? Think a little bit with your brain and not your greed for stats and rss
It's with pointing out that we don't know SpecialOne's IRL situation is... Hopefully they're OK and just gave up on the game
was thinking the same. like why push zenith and then not play somthing most have happend or just pushed to then quit
why zero why not let account be taken by system for inactive, player was at kvk and you just burn? that's gross
@@ElectricVRoom yeah it sucks tbh dude could have made a come back
Is that WoW soundtrack i hear in the background ? 😄 some memories unlocked
@@bukii4540 yes!!
for me it's crazy to attack any of your alliance members, even if he didn't participate in a kvk.
People die brothers and sisters, things happen we will never know
You should take a look at 3339, we are at kvk4 (soc) what will end totally tonight with 40 active warriors and got double star and overall third kvk in a row win with ziggurat at end.
On this 40 active warriors im one of maybe max 3 from eu, max 5 is from any part world but 30 is a China monsters with Kraken Dracula (being on many discords alerted about coming to some kd and called kraken beacuse he destroying totally full of kd members with other his citys).
The most amazing part of they its that they play previously kvk and no problem handle it playing like 1v5+ kingdoms same time and destroyed them in some hours + lock them, that kingdoms wasnt dead, they have a lot more players and have real good whales.
Cheers from 3339 China jungle and if someone reading this is able with us on coming matchmaking next kvk, just think who you take for ally and who to enemy, they not know word "step back" ❤🔥
/Devil Stich
Either a kingdom manage its deadweight or it dies sooner or later
whats the point of zeroing in the beginning of kvk his city will dissapear in 30 days and at the start of kvk his power wont even contribute to kvk cause he is in kvk and he get 50% back anyways he could have cancer or sick for all we know ngl i understand managing deadweight etc but why zero if kvk already started
@@arcana722 Maybe they wanted to set an example to the kingdom and every day you wait the villain could disappear from the 30-day rule or suddenly bubble or migrate.
@@kritischemasse3131 villain lmao theres no villain in rok also if he was a deadweight they would want him to migrate or dissapear but it looks like he isnt depending on context it doesnt make sense they zeroid him in the beggining of next kvk why he gets 50% of troop back and he doesnt even contribute to kvk cause kvk started might as well let his acc dissapear so if he return he can contribute again u literally dont know he can have cancer or be hospitalised it really depends a fighter like him should really not be zeroid unless they didnt contribute anything for a few kvks for no reason
@@kritischemasse3131 its really depends on the context we lack that so ya
@@arcana722 if you let people off the hook bc they were "in hospital" then suddenly everbody not fighting was in hospital 😄
The "Deadweight" concept is the worst part of this game.
Under the rationale of "matchmaking", kingdoms use this as rationale to destroy endless amounts of cities.
In this game the true danger is from your own kingdom, trying to avoid getting zeroed from the enemy is easy, just stay on territory or shield.
But your own kingdom will betray you while you're afk. And this happens way too much.
Why doesn't the game change the matchmaking mechanics so that its unnecessary to always be killing your allies? It would also allow siege to proliferate, all kingdoms basically make everyone delete all their siege.
Law suit required, that guys spent real moneyz
@@Sean-y9c well, then there should be lawsuits for all zeroing then 🤷♂️ that doesn't make sense
@@cmlcml415 it already happens, digital property is already protected by law in most countries.
That's why my kd has no DKP, at all.
And no dumb rules like cutting your own power or destroy troops.
I can sleep well at night and we still won kvk 😂
I'm going to screen record the next time Omniarch gets zeroed again 😅
I know this is not related to the topic Omni but i hope lilith would give free migration to full F2P governors from soc to at least KvK2 😢
Problem nowadays is , theres a lot of new players with bought accounts.
ive seen players with 3+ years old accounts , 100mil+ power , 12b+ KP and have no clue how to open a rally...
Lol he was in my kvk and he's Deadweight. Plus their camp betrayed their initial allies
Yes i can agree with you on that i was in the same kvk with 3227 and they did their allies dirty betrayed them and made a whole shenanigans and lost all of their fame and glory now just a red flag for others...please if you see them on kvk ally with caution...
I want to say something but it was on vid that was a few months ago so I'm putting it here, I had found a glitch of sorts prob thx to my dog water wifi, that it reseted all the tribal villages I already claimed a reward from, and it reseted all the mysterious caves, I already explored 😅
Assumes kingdoms have the slightest idea why people dont do much in kvk. Could be clear reasons from sickness, or deaths, to holidays, to work, to trying to achieve something, or recover from previous kvk.Many things are far more important.
Also assumes most kingdoms turning up for kvk now serves any rational point when the vast majority of kingdoms are doomed to lose by it and have zero chance of winning or getting a positive return.
If the obsessive compulsives who want to lose for the umpteenth time want to repeat why expect others to follow?
The answer is to have quiet kingdoms, with city attacks blocked, for those who want to build not lose kvks and those with higher priorities to move to. The makers would make more than if people just decide its nonsense and go.
Our last king went on a rampage- burning with no sense. They went to kvk and as usual got stuck in zone 1. The collective losses from burning cities and the kvk then saw them weakened enough to be burnt by the next itself appointed leader...
people take this game way to serious it's not like they're competing for real money or some tournament when they win they gotta relax
If I get zeroed then he should too…
They did the zeroing on last day of mge, so they gave him kp for it. Probably took top rank cause of it. I'm in this kvk
There was a much more interesting story that happened in that kvk. One (a different one), who was a leader in 3227 (has 20B KP) was also zeroed. 3227 not so keen to share that story though, this player lost them their kvk. 3227, a kingdom of betrayers, ally with them with caution.
If you want i can give you some short explanation about what have happend. I am one of the kings from wind camp that was betrayed during this kvk
He said 1.3 million Cavs when it was 1.6 🤨
LMAO dyslexia idk oopsies
He Will have back 50% of His troops anyway lolll
People forget that these really big accounts are bought and sold and bought and sold and bought and sold so that KP might have been accumulated by three different owners of that account lol he probably spent $500 on it fought one KVK and just quit. The selling of these accounts is really hurting the game I think.
Depends on when he got the kp if he got it 10 kvks ago it’s useless
Inactive is the right word, cause dead weight he isn't.
Omniarch where is my potentate challenge that I asked you agreed during the livestream
We just beat them in kvk, they were fire camp and they zeroed him because he gave away plans that they were going to steal lost temple in the end after the stage a betrayal. Once we heard about it, we acted and kicked them back to zone 4 and made new coalitions. One was the loser who had to pay lol
Which kvk u are going this time omni ? Is it TW
love the vid keep it up
@@Rylock53-zo6in Thank you! 😁
I love your vids man!
Thank you!!
In the same kvk we zeroed another 90mil power with 10mil kp haha
And let me guess you're from water camp?
Att tak would not be my first choice for an opening rally on 120million power .
Not saying it’s a bad rally, but I would rather use it once the rally target has dropped to under 80 million power
It's always a noob move to start A/T rally first
0:57 Was the gem count on purpose? 👀
I just push my farm 20 to 70 for zenith,and yeah they zeroed me😂
I was in their recent KvK its kinda sad how they lost due to terrible diplo ._.
Have you seen some screenshot of what 3227 was talking?😂
it's absolutely disgusting to see how easily you can erase years of progress in a matter of minutes.. zeroing cities shouldn't be that easy, it shouldn't be a thing in the first place, because it's absolutely dumb how long does it take to build it vs. how long it takes to destroy it.. and let's be honest, the attacker will almost always have better trades, even though the city should provide more protection and usually has a lot more units available.. it's just another stupid mechanic in the game and a lot of brain dead players are literally happy to reset someone..
the fact is, if you want to play this game you definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, have to treat this game as a full time job or they will zero you, but not everyone has all the time in the world to play this game, so it's just plain stupid that this is a thing..
I wish i had gangz skin 😢 that zenith skins so good 15 calv health
Players like him need a PvE server
I don’t participate it rallies against teammates, you just don’t know what happened, this guy has been a power house, his kill points are high, they should of let him be, they lost a good player, that would of came back from what ever issues they had..
When is the vacation mode coming
Ye account buying/selling makes it real hard for r4 to choose recruits, I dont envy their job
People who did this to this Men, are brain dead, like rest who, is doing this. After all Is just a game and there are more important things in life than fights in days and Nights in KvK. If this game is more important to you than normal life, you need help.
nice!
Thanks! :)
Looks like that kingdom lost kvk 😂😂😂
Crystal tech in home kingdom? 😂
15min
Mdrrr c’était il y a des semaines dans mon kvk
Dude is being called DW for having t4 and t5 sieges, maybe 😂
Shajar ?
Ooh there's always one lol in this case the speacil one lol 🎉🎉🎉 see what I did there?🎉😂❤
@@12bigredd LOL he sure is special
dumb leadership....
Gorgo is weak in city garrison for 5M troops +
naw
@@OmniarchOfficial check Yoda city attacked short on Chisgule you will notice something strange with normal damage
Ayooo! Yeetersthe21st
Now he is 50mil of deadweight forever. So stupid unloyal. If they keep doing this they will eventually end up with 100 50mil deadweight accounts. Foolish behavior
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EARLY GANGGG!
IM SO EARLY LOL
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LETS GOOOOO!!!
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considering the the garrison does not have any geears. that rally is actually not that great imo. ive seen better.