Colin Got STURDY | Bridgerton Ep 3x1 Reaction & Review | Netflix
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What Penelope wrote was not truly that damaging considering she framed as political and not as a romantic fling with a guy from the working class and poor birth. THAT would have ruined Eloise. I'm sorry but i think Eloise forced Penelope's hand and she didn't care to put the workers and poor people involved in the print shop at risk. Eloise preaches a lot but never follows through. Her behavior was careless to say the least and even after Penelope beg her to not do anything, with the queen on her tail, during her brother's wedding, Eloise went for it. Penelope could potentially lose everything or use something that could've save them both, what she did. Would you lose your 'job', possibly your freedom and your family because your friend didn't care about the consequences of her actions? I would not. And Eloise basically befriended a bully herself, Penelope's bully who threw a drink on her for fun, constantly bullied her in S2, for her looks and that now is ripping her dress for no reason, so Eloise needs some self-reflection as well.
I get that what Penelope wrote about Eloise was damaging, but she was trying to save her. The Queen was suspicious of Eloise and in her searching may have uncovered that Eloise was seeing Theo, who is a commoner, unchaperoned, which not only would’ve ruined Eloise but also the whole Bridgerton family. If you go back and watch what she wrote about Eloise she said she was seen unchaperoned with political radicals, which, while still damaging, is more recoverable than the fact that she’d been alone with a man.
Also, Penelope begs Eloise not to leave her brother’s wedding. If she’d listened to her, Eloise wouldn’t have been seen by the queens men at the print house.
Finally, Penelope kind of also saves Theo. I think he says guards from the palace were already harassing him about Whistledown because of Eloise, so by throwing suspension off Eloise, she also threw suspicion off Theo.
Again, I’m not saying it was 100% the right thing to do, but she wasn’t trying to be cruel and I love grey characters, they are more interesting.
Not addressing the Marina incident in this comment as I believe Penelope did the right thing there.
Thank you. Everyone likes to pretend somehow that Eloise wasn’t SEEN. She was seen, unchaperoned, with a man. Political radical is a way better charge than that. It was the best possible way to spin what THE QUEENS FOOTMAN SAW. The cognitive dissonance on this is crazy.
And fwiw Eloise wouldn’t just have gotten her family in trouble. SHE WOUKD HAVE GOTTEN THEO KILLED. Anthony would have killed him. Nerdy doesn’t seem to care about that.
BOTH pen and el are flawed. And flawed characters are way more interesting.
Also, people say mean things about Penelope to her face, or they ignore her completely. So I get why the column started.
Agreed. I think people tend to pick one side or the other rather than seeing that both people are flawed and made mistakes. Not just with these two, but with every conflict on the show. I like to say I'm Team Everyone. They're all flawed people who need love and compassion, and also need to be called on their shit and grow.
Not to comment a second time, but the issue isn’t just that Colin said he’d never court Penelope, it’s that the Bridgerton’s have influence and he told a group of available suitors that the idea of him courting Penelope was laughable. It makes her seem like a worse choice than she probably already was to that group of guys. He embarrasses her and discredits her to potential suitors.
And this from her very public friend, Colin, who also literally just danced publicly with her. She is thinking Colin is being kind and a good friend but hearing this, she hears it for what it was: pity and laughable that Colin would ever seriously court someone like Pen. Absolutely valid to be really hurt and angry with him after that.
I don't actually think Colin was insulting or belittling Penelope to those men in season 2. He said he wouldn't dream of courting her. But the thing is, as painful as that was for Penelope (and all of us) to hear, that's not actually an insult. There are plenty of reasons you might not date someone that have nothing to do with their worth or desirability, including the fact that, as far as he knew, Penelope only saw _him_ as a friend. He probably assumed that she would have answered that question the exact same way if she'd been there.
All the "insult" of his comment comes from the meanings and intentions _we_ read into it. He didn't actually say that the idea of courting her was laughable. He didn't say that he wasn't courting her because she was undesirable or not good enough for him. He didn't actually say anything negative about her at all.
Of course, it's understandable that Penelope took it that way. It's only human nature to jump right to the worst, most painful conclusion. We see her doing exactly that several times in this very episode, at the Danbury ball. He compliments her dress and she assumes he's mocking her. He wants to find somewhere private to talk, and she assumes he's ashamed to be seen with her. But we just saw him interrupt a conversation with two men (who were part of that same group from last season) to inquire after her, and when they tried to brush her off as if she wasn't worth his notice, he straight up ditched them to go check on her, with no pretense whatsoever. He also approached her in broad daylight at the garden party, and in fact she was the only one he talked to individually, which would clearly single her out to anyone who was paying attention. He's obviously not ashamed to be seen with her. But she jumps right to the worst, most painful conclusion because that's what people do. And we jump with her because she's our POV character. But when you think about it, none of that fits with what we saw from Colin either before or after that incident.
First of all, we never get any indication (beyond this one comment) that Colin thinks Penelope is undesirable or unsuitable, or anything less than wonderful, honestly. The simple fact is that he hadn't considered her as a romantic prospect at all in the first few seasons, which means that he hadn't considered her desirability, whether positive or negative. She's simply Pen. She "doesn't count." He would never dream of courting her in the same way he would never dream of courting Eloise or Francesca. Not because she's undesirable, but simply because he doesn't have her in that category at all.
Once he does start to see her differently in season 3, as a woman and potential wife (though not yet for himself) we don't see even a hint of that condescension in him. Even in their first coaching session he assumes it should be no problem for her to charm potential suitors… just wave your fan and flutter your lashes and that should be all it takes. His advice to her later in that episode all boils down to "be yourself" because he knows how amazing she is. When she balks at the idea of flirting with a viscount, his only response is to remind her that she is Penelope Featherington. He knows she's a catch a viscount would be lucky to get. It never even crosses his mind that any of these men would be otherwise than thrilled (and lucky) to be with Penelope.
People assume that he was embarrassed for those men to think he was courting her. But once he finally realizes his own feelings for her, we don't see even a hint of shame or embarrassment over it, even though the stakes are higher than in season 2. Not only is he much more invested in "fitting in" this season, but her social status has plummeted after word of their coaching sessions got out. So if he were ever going to worry about the optics of people thinking he's interested in her, this would be the time. And yet it never even crosses his mind.
Secondly, it doesn't fit his character at all to put Penelope down that way. There isn't a single example in all three seasons of anyone insulting her in front of Colin when he doesn't immediately jump to her defense. Also consider his low self worth and the fact that a great deal of the worth he _does_ feel he has comes from protecting and taking care of her. He was on a particular high in that regard at that ball in season 2, having just confronted Jack Featherington, and saved her family from scandal. So it would be an odd choice for him to completely nullify all the pride and satisfaction of having protected her and her family, in order for a group of men he doesn't even like that much to have a slightly more favorable impression of him.
But what if he did choose to act against his character? People do that sometimes. Well, if he had chosen to talk bad about her behind her back, he would certainly feel guilt/shame afterwards. It would probably haunt him. What he wouldn't do is immediately forget it like any other random comment. And yet when she brings it up this season, he doesn't even remember what she's talking about. Even when he goes to apologize he doesn't add any detail beyond what she said, because he doesn't remember it. He just believes her that he said it and he hurt her, and he's genuinely sorry for that.
Consider that Penelope completely cut him off after that, and he spent the better part of a year wondering why. Colin is always quick to assume the blame when those around him are upset, even when it has nothing to do with him. And yet somehow this conversation never occurred to him as a reason for her sudden silence? He just assumed she was living her life and had no need of him, like the rest of his family. This conversation wasn't even a flicker at the edge of his consciousness.
Another thing we know about Colin is that he's always quick to apologize, no matter how big or small the offense- this is something we see multiple times this season alone. And yet even after a year of the silent treatment from Penelope, he only comes to apologize once she brings the incident up, as if he only just realized there was something to apologize for. It seems clear to me that in Colin's mind, he was asked if they were courting and he said no. Period. It wasn't even worth remembering, let alone considering as a reason for the distance between them.
To be fair, his wording was unnecessarily emphatic. But there are a lot of possible reasons for that that fit his character and their relationship much better than the assumption that he was putting her down. To some extent, there's the platonic friend who is simply tired of explaining for the thousandth time that they REALLY are just friends, whose denials get more emphatic and insistent with each repetition because no one seems to accept it. Then there is the truth behind their observations... he _does_ have some feelings for her, but he hasn't yet recognized them for what they are, which lends even more strength to his denials. He protests too much. But he's denying his feelings, not her desirability.
There's the fact that he has no idea of her feelings for him, and in fact couldn't even imagine her having any. Which, paired with his own unrecognized feelings might result in a certain defensiveness... denying any desire to court her, since he assumes she would never want to court him. This is the same self-sabotaging self-preservation we see in Penelope after their first kiss... emphatically declaring that it will never happen again (and breaking his heart in the process), because she assumes that he would never want to. Finally, there's the simple fact of him matching the tone of their conversation... they asked him in a light, joking manner so he responded in a light, joking manner. But I don't believe for a minute that he meant to imply that the idea of him courting her was laughable, or that she was in any way undesirable. In fact, I'm sure that if any of those men had dared to imply as much, Colin would have clapped back immediately.
The thing is, none of this lets Colin off the hook. He _did_ hurt her, and you're right that he might have hurt her chances with those other eligible men, if they took his comment the way everyone else seemed to. She has every right to be upset about it, and to tell him so. But it simply doesn't make sense for Colin to knowingly insult his best friend that way, and yet not even remember doing it, or feel any lingering guilt or shame over it. It seems pretty clear to me that it was all a misunderstanding. A hurtful mistake, but not an intentional one.
Whew! Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk (4 months later)! Apparently I have a lot of thoughts! 🙄🤣This season has been living rent free in my brain for months now!
@@MishaHusnainAli I don't actually think Colin was pitying Penelope, or laughing at the idea of courting her. I agree with you that she has every right to be upset about it, but I'm pretty sure it was a misunderstanding rather than callousness or cruelty. I already wrote another (rather long) comment to the OP if you want to hear my reasoning, but I don't want to basically write the same comment here twice!
Rolling at the "ruined Eloise's life" comment. Our girl had a couple months of social discomfort due to the lesser scandal of her actions being public knowledge, before coming back to plenty of potential popularity. She's had her feelings hurt, but socially she's pretty much back to normal.
"...save Eloise from Pen's bullshit" rubs me the wrong way tbh. Penelope didn't have to protect Eloise because Penelope had started a secret business of her own. She had to protect Eloise because Eloise wouldn't listen, wouldn't stop looking for LW, wouldn't stop making herself look suspicious to the queen, wouldn't stay away from the poor part of town. Eloise's own actions made her a target for the queen. And Cressida isn't bullying Penelope to be supportive of Eloise. Cressida was bullying Penelope even before Eloise switched sides.
“Eloise did nothing wrong”. Eloise would have gotten that boy killed if Anthony had found out. How do you not think that was a bad idea? Forget Penelope. Eloise being caught with Theo WOULD HAVE GOTTEN HIM KILLED.
I think he meant it in relation to friendship.
Penelope withheld the truth and almost ruined Eloise. If she had been honest, Eloise wouldn't have even met Theo.
Still, I agree that Eloise has many problems. She talks and talks but doesn't listen.
And Penelope would have ruined Eloise if she wrote about her seeing Theo, but she only wrote that Eloise had been to meetings with general people in the wrong part of town. Penelope did protect her as much as she could. Would've been better if she'd told Eloise and they could have made a plan together, but she's also very young and very alone with her thoughts.
That makes what Penelope did RIGHT? She lied and MANIPULATEd Eloise, such a good person AND FRIEND 😮😅
I like Penelope more but i'm team teenager girls learning from their errors.
They are very young and needed to mature. Penelope has traumas with her abusive family and Eloise lead a sheltered life that clouds her vision of things. They will mature.
Eloise is really good at getting herself into trouble. That’s what happens when you don’t listen and you charge through like a bull in a china shop. She DOESN’T listen. Eloise was going down a dangerous path. I don’t entirely say that Pen is blameless but to go Team Cressida is too much. Cressida has been a bully Pen for many years. I just can’t support Eloise making friends with Cressida, especially since she KNOWS how awful Cressida is to Pen.
Ok so yes Penelope is responsible for lady whistledown and everything she writes but Eloise is also responsible for how many times she put herself in danger of ruin by going unchaperoned to a “poorer” part of town while Penelope constantly warned her against doing so. The only reason the queen threatened Eloise is because of her being suspicious. Do I agree with what Penelope did ? No. But do I think she did what she thought she had too ? Yes. The queen was not going to believe that Penelope was lady whistledown because she hates being proved wrong so she was going to make sure Eloise was lady whistledown no matter what was said until Eloise was “ruined” (which seeing as she has no trouble making friends and being in society was not really a ruin at all because of her name and money). And Eloise and Cressida would just piss me off seeing as Cressida is such a bully not only to Penelope but to Daphne and other women as well. Idk if Eloise is really such a girls girl she shouldn’t go after someone who clearly hates other women. As much as I want Eloise to be a girl kisser I’d rather her be with someone new that suites her better than a bully. Alright end of my rant lol
Penelope warned Eloise against going in that part of town because she didn't want to run into Eloise there. Penelope frequently goes unchaperoned to that part of town herself. No, Penelope didn't have to do what she did. She made her choices.
@@HuntingViolets Penelope goes into that part of town disguised and at night, not by leaving in the middle of her brother's wedding. Penelope told her not to leave to keep Eloise safe, not because she was worried about running into her, because Penelope wasn't stupid enough to leave in the middle of the social event of the season.
100% Team Penelope.
HELLZ YEAH!! 😎👍🏻
I don't hate Eloise but i want her to notice her own mistakes. I support what Penelope did, it was the best she could do in a dire situation.
She created the dire situation? It didn’t just happen, it was the consequences of her actions
@@NerdyNightly of Eloise's actions. Eloise started looking for LW because she admired her and was curious. S1 Eloise wanted to be able to talk to LW and it was where he obsession started. And she got the queen into it, bringing herself to the focus. Without Eloise actively searching for LW, you don't have the situation.
@@NerdyNightly Eloise literally created the situation herself, talking to that man, ALONE, if it was anyone but penelope who had find out about this it would have been so much worse, he would've die in a duel with anthony or worse, him and and eloise would have been force to get married and her family reputation would have been permanently damaged just like the sharmas once where
@@just4gxrlAnthony wouldn’t even have to duel him because he’s a lord and Theo is working class. All Anthony would have to do is accuse Theo of something and Theo would be hanged or banished to Australia. In this time period Anthony wouldn’t even need any proof, his superior birth would be enough.
Very minor point about Madame Delacroix; she may be pretending to BE French, but she very much IS a professional dressmaker. And as a dressmaker during this time, she has to travel to places like Paris to keep up with the latest trends (I think she mentions going there during the tons 'off season'). So she would definitely know what they're wearing over there. Loved the reaction!
There was also professional press for dressmaking and millinery (hat making) back then so she was probably ordering booklets with newest fashion from the renewed houses across Europe. Check videos by Abby Cox, a fashion historian, here on UA-cam. She uses a lot of that in her research and explains it well.
Since I've not read the books yet, I'm not entirely sure why Pen decided to start the gossip rag. My first assumption is that she had a feeling deep down that she would never be married and would need a way to support herself because lord knows her sisters wouldn't/make her life hell. So if she were going to support herself she would need a way to make money. And since she's invisible every bit of gossip fell right into her lap. Perhaps she felt it was a better option than becoming a Governess, which is what many spinsters eventually do. She would make much more as the gossip writer and still be in control of her life. (as much control as women were allowed to have)
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But as I've said, I've not read the books, so I'm probably wrong.
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From what the show has shown me. Eloise is not that great of a friend. It hurts for Pen because she's Pen's only friend. But Eloise never really listened to Pen. She LOVED Lady Whistledown until she was the one in the rags. And she just can't wrap her head around people not having the same opinion as her.
She may have "Joined the winning side." But really she just hid away her true feelings and decided to fake it to get into the main crowd she alienated thus far. She didn't want to be alone like Pen was going to be and now has to fight her true self to fit in with the others. She's become what she hated after all.
Agree 100%
I'm tired, boss. Are we supporting someone bullying another since they were teenagers? Are you liking what Cressida did? Did you like S1 and S2 too what she did? wtf. To quote: " LW helped the Bridgertons a lot actually. It saved them to have Daphne married to a creep ( and see how Violet wanted people to talk to reach LW and spread), saved Colin from a loveless marriage with another man's children that he didn't know anything about it and saved Eloise. Eloise suffered a few weeks of ostracism and she's back without a problem, without a romantic entanglement to ruin her. One that she clearly didn't really thought was deep enough to face society and fight for." Eloise created the situation in which she put her and Penelope as target. Should Penelope put herself at the hands of someone like Eloise who thinks she knows better than anyone else how people should act and does it without regarding the consequences or what others want?
Legit! I'm like "Are we even watching the same show??" Pen has had to suffer her whole life. Eloise is a stupid, little girl, who has been given ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING in her entire life! She is so in her head, she doesn't realize that by seeing Theo, she could have ruined her entire family! Pen has her faults, but she realizes them, and if it takes her time- it's always short lived! She is way more intelligent than Eloise could ever be!
The issue with this is many of her written words are not primarily designed to help others. It's designed to make her papers sell. Yes there are benefits and there are wounds. But take Colins issue with Marina. her actions ruined Marina, ruined her own family, and provided injury to the Bridgetons. Now all of these things worked out in the end. But not because of her. And she could have stopped the problem, by simply approaching the Bridgertons with the truth. It would have not put a target on Marina. it wouldn't have hurt her family, and it wouldn't have bruised the Bridgerton rep. She briefly tries, but makes no further attempt. She literally could have walked across the square and told the mother or Anthony, to put a stop to it.
Now her writing about Eloise was designed to help her friend, but in doing so she wounds her friend. Did she have the means to prevent it without injury to her friend? Yes, she could have been honest about who she was.
I’m still team pen lol😭 Eloise is so self centered. Like how is she supposedly best friends with pen and not know that she has a crush on Colin or Lady Whistledown until the last minute. Etc Also Cressida is a bully she has bullied pen throughout the show not great. Pen is definitely in the wrong but so is Eloise but in other ways.
Maybe because Penelope never told her and actively kept everything about herself from Eloise while at the same time barely listening to her, just agreeing to keep Eloise talking, muttered under her breath "You always do" in an annoyed tone when Eloise excitedly said, "I've found you." Eloise loved Penelope, but Penelope hid herself from Eloise, even before Lady Whistledown.
@HuntingViolets WTF? the fact that Eloise literally SAID HERSELF that she never truly LISTENED penelope before, and for the first time when she actually did, in five seconds she discovered she was ladyW, Penelope ALWAYS listened to Eloise, she always shared her thoughts with her, and always cared deeply about her opinion, she even wrote something on Whistledown cause Eloise suggested, and YES she was annoyed that time that Eloise interrupted her, because she was trying to talk to the man she was in love with, pardon her if she didn't eagerly followed Eloise ONE TIME
I get why you would be Team Eloise, even if I don't necessarily agree with your reasoning. The thing is, both of them were young and made poor choices. Penelope could have told Eloise the truth at any time but chose to keep her "Lady Whistledown" secret. At the same time, Eloise knew she was risking complete social ruin for both herself and her family if anyone found out she was seeing Theo unchaperoned. But she did it anyway. By saying Eloise is totally blameless, that's overlooking the point that Pen never would have had to choose between writing about Eloise or not, if Eloise hadn't put herself, her family and Theo (who could have lost his job over it, or worse) in that situation to begin with.
If she was willing to take that risk (and she was), then she also should have been prepared to face the consequences. I wish Penelope had handled her side of the dilemma a little differently, but how can you not hold Eloise equally responsible when it was her own actions that created it? Fun reaction, by the way! You guys had me cracking up several times. So glad I found your channel, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the episodes.
Since when do you have to be French to know French fashion? "She doesn't know what they're wearing in Paris, because she's not actually French."
They eating you up in the comments sir
I know you are team Eloise but what Cressida did to Pen is not good at all, she does it not for Eloise but out of bad intentions, remember season 1 she threw drink on Pen.. Cressida always had bad blood with Pen because she's an easy target, to see you laughing at that does not sit well with me..
It was disgusting. Cressida has been bullying that girl since the start of the show.
I prefer Penelope. i understand her struggles and her coping mechanisms. Eloise tends to be thoughtless and that bothers me. And Eloise was not ruined.
Lol u like elosie bec of her witty one liner.. thats it, otherwise she has her flaws.. main one being self centered! She is a better friend to a bully like Cressida than she was ever to pen.
I get Eloise being mad, but I think Pen did what she thought she could do to save both Eloise and herself. Eloise can be a bit of a bulldozer and get caught up in her own privilege, and not listen. Were Pen's actions right no but I think she did what needed to be done and wrote something that would be bad but able to be recovered from, not if she wrote that she was meeting a male unchaperoned of a lower class, that would have completely effed her over which she didn't. Also the Queen was on Eloise's heels like a confrontation with the queen could me a loss of life so with those stakes in the mix Pen did what needed to be done in my opinion. Eloise has a right to be mad but some of the audience is a bit overly hateful to Penelope.
Like Eloise said about joining the winning side to Colin, he's also putting up a front and pretending to be somebody else, this heartless rake. He also conveys something similar to Penelope when he says 'Charm can be taught' meaning it's not authentic, it's something he learned how to be vs how he really is
Penelope saved Eloise and her sisters. The Queen was hunting for her and she was meeting a lower class man unchaperoned. The moment she was caught (and she would, everyone gossips, Penelope just reports it), she would be ruined for marriage, and so would Francesca and Hyacinth by association. Yet, she would be fine because her brother is rich and loves her. Penelope never had this support. Her father was disgraced, her mother and sisters abuse her, she is ignored and ostracized by society. She just showed them how ugly they are, exposed them. Eloise liked LW until it was about her. She never listened to Penelope neither did she felt bad about how LW talked about her friend. I like her, but she is extremely self absorbed and she also isn’t aware of her own privilege. She can be reckless and selfish, acting in a way that can cause a scandal to her family and her brother would support her no matter what bc her family is the exception. Also, if she got caught with Theo he would most likely have died. Anthony almost killed Simon, and he is a duke and his friend, imagine an untitled lower class man against a Viscount. Penelope tried to warn her.
I think Eloise has the right to be mad, but she is more mad bc Penelope is rebelling against society and making something of herself, as Eloise wants but never have so far. Also, my sympathy for her diminished the moment she befriended Cressida. She always bullied Penelope just for fun, being cruel to her for no reason. Penelope was never competition, so she didn’t even need to sabotage her. It was not society that put her against Penelope. She chose to do it.
Penelope got a society that excluded her and showed them what they truly are.
The song that Pen walked down the stairs to in her new green dress was ABCDEFU. Perfection lol.
A bit disappointed on your take on Eloise and Cressida, but then again we are different people and it is normal to have different opinions:) Completely agree with @fenniahtvxq , that is exactly how is see things too. Also, my feeling is that if Pen would have confessed to Eloise that she is Lady W, Eloise would have hijacked the newspaper column with her ideas. Eloise doesn't really listens, but she loves to talk. Later on she is actually telling Cressida - "I don't understand why people don't see the things the way I do". Another prove that she is not really paying attention to her "best friend" is that she seems to have no clue that Pen is in loved with Colin during season 1 and 2. And also during season 3. It takes Lord Debling a few scenes to realize that Pen and Colin are a thing, but Eloise seems to be oblivious.
Now, on the good side - I did appreciate the fact that she kept Pen's secret and I love how funny she is. I think I like this season because it features relatable characters, like really relatable and imperfect. And imperfect is good:)
Also, first time seeing your reaction and enjoyed it a lot. You guys seem to be really funny. Can't wait your take on the next episodes.
The pen gate feels really uncomfortable. It’s like watching mean girls.
Well, if i have to pick one, i'm team Penelope. But i'm actually team Danbury. I'm sorry but Eloise makes me cringe so hard with her peak fake feminist persona & fetishizing the poor but the moment she thought her privilege could be challenged she backtracked and didn't even try. I hope her arc will be about her not hating other women for having different dreams and aspirations. I actually enjoyed this season so far, i was surprised by that, but Colin and Penelope worked for me. I didn't like the Mondrich storyline and Cressida was also irrelevant.
Anthony, Benedict, Colin, Daphne, Eloise, Francesca, Gregory, and Hyacinth. Hyacinth was born after her father's death.
Nerdy “I’d never have a gossip column because I’m nice”. Also nerdy “she kinda looks like that painting of King Charles.
you can’t judge whistledown if you’re making jokes like that ya hypocrite… 😂
the full name of the modern piano IS the "pianoforte" (mostly, I guess, bc it can accommodate different dynamics based on key pressure as the name suggests). it's just a mouthful
6:00 To be fair, a big theme in regency dramas is the intimacy of female friendship, so absolutely Pen is pining for Eloise.
There is a difference between a piano today and a pianoforte (or fortepiano, if you prefer). Piano's today use hard or layered felt for the hammers, back in 1700 (when Bartolomeo Cristofori invented the piano) to the late 1800s, they used soft leather or wood for the hammers. Pianos weren't as loud as they are now because of that.
Colin due to his family’s name has a lot of power. It’s also known that spends time with Pen bc he has danced with publicly on many occasions. For him to tell a group of eligible men that he would never dream of courting her as if she unworthy of his attention makes her seem less desirable. She was already awkward & generally overlooked bc of her weight & clothing. What he didn’t made it even more difficult when the whole point of the marriage mart is to draw attention & interest.
Pen was wrong to write what she did but like Eloise she is a teenage girl that deserves to be given a bit of grace. Eloise also lacks accountability for her own actions. She left her brothers wedding to sneak off, meet Theo and chase whistledown. She was warned repeatedly by pen that her actions could have negative consequences for herself & her family but she didn’t care. Pen should’ve have to out herself to the queen to protect Eloise bc she is too stubborn to listen.
We all have our own opinions and it's valid that you're team Eloise but I firmly can't stand Eloise because she is in *such* a privileged position. As one of the Bridgertons and not even the eldest, she is fine to just be out in her own second season without really being pressured to make a match or completely given up on, as Pen is. She will always have a home and comfort with her large family of siblings while Pen has horrible sisters and mother and zero financial security or friends. Eloise literally has siblings who are always there to support her, even thorough social ostracization while Pen has literally nobody but Eloise, who has frozen her out completely. As Theo points out, Eloise is having a fun little vacation on the rough side of town but is absolutely not brave enough to actually challenge society by being with him or doing anything truly radical. Pen just wants independence, financial and otherwise, and someone to care about her.
Eliose privileges as a bridgerton has always been my issue with her. She takes the exact same liberties with Cressida and she doesn't even know it.
@@jaydensmith3972 Yeah, I hope she grows. There's a lot of potential there but she literally is not in touch with anyone else's perspectives at all. She's very "not like other girls" with that poor girl talking about stitches is not great either. You can do it, Eloise, just grow a bit, girl.
The Bridgertons will never BEE on time.
Ouch, that pun really stings 😅
Francesca Bridgerton is a different actress this season. The former actress decided to leave the show after season 2.
That makes more sense
@@ClarusCloset says something that most people(including myself) didn't notice it was a new actress. But it makes sense because they did that thing media does where they have a whole scene that says this person is this character. Ie: family waiting for her at her door and then they all walk into the room in which she is playing the piano and tell the audience this person is Francesca.
As a Eloise and Penelope defender I’m in the trenches 😭
I'm so sorry 🤣
Portia has the money they scammed from the fake ruby mines last year, which she is passing off as an inheritance.
11:32 Nerdy, if you ever wanted to see that, then I suggest Gentleman Jack, HBO, the Story of Anne Lister. The first, half out of the closet Lesbian living in Victorian England. Only two seasons, but very good.
I found you through Wheel of Time reactions and this is now the COOLEST venn diagram in my life! ❤🎉😂
Colin did actually do a lot on his travels. The reason he's being vague about it is that last season he was endlessly mocked for going on about his travels, so he learned the lesson that no one cares. That's actually part of a larger theme with the Colin you see in these first few episodes. He spent the first two seasons being either mocked (mostly by his family) or taken advantage of (by Marina, Jack Featherington, etc) for his sweet, trusting, romantic, excitable nature. So he came back this season with armor on, acting the part of the rake everyone expects him to be. But it fits him like a cheap suit, because that's not really who he is, or who he wants to be.
Honestly, I'm Team Everyone. People tend to pick sides based on who they like or relate to more, but every single person on this show is flawed. They all have issues they need to work through, and they have all made mistakes they need to be held accountable for. But they also all have hurts in their past and present, and they need love and compassion. Eloise wasn't blameless. She made a LOT of choices that led to her situation that had nothing to do with what Penelope did. And Penelope wasn't blameless either. She's a teenage girl who has more power than she knows how to handle well, and she's not great about accountability. Cressida was absolutely awful to Penelope (and most everyone else) since season 1, but we get a glimpse into her home life this season, which makes it all much more understandable, even if not excusable. And this is all true of every other character in the show. None of them are perfect, and none of them are irredeemable.
The full name of the piano is pianoforte
apologies I'm not actually a Bridgerton watcher, but I clicked from my subs page based on the thumbnail thinking it was the Dr Who ep 😅😅 I'll click my thumbs up and be on my way, have fun everyone ya'll are great.
The song when Pen walks down the stairs in her dress is abcdefu by Gayle.
Anthony, Benedict, Colin, Daphne, Eloise, Francesca, Gregory, Hyacinth. (Obviously not for that.)
I tell you what. I've started to wonder (yes, this is a retcon) if Cressida's dislike of Penelope was more about Eloise, in some ways. Like sometimes Debling, but that's business. We saw Cressida try to befriend Eloise previous to this and get turned down. It would be easy for Eloise and Cressida to move in together as spinsters, really, if they had the money. This has happened historically. What happens really depends on how locked into the books they are.
Benedict was supposed to be this season (he has the third book) but they switched it around.
I usually like you guys but with the fat jokes I’m out. Done. Really disappointed.
100% agreed. Gross.
I'm appalled.
When did we make a fat joke in this?
I recognized the song when Penelope walked down the stairs it’s that “ABCDE F U” song
We only watched a couple episodes of season 2 before giving up, but it looks like season 3 is going to be good. I feel like they are going full KDrama this season, its pretty funny so far
The song that Pen walked down to was ABCDEFU by Gayle.
I'm shocked that your team Eloise. O.o
I like Eloise. She is really funny, but she has done so many things wrong and Pen only wrote about her to save her from the Queen. And no, it wasn't Pen's wrongdoing that got Eloise in trouble with the Queen, but because Eloise wasn't careful and snuck out to meet Theo (even though Pen warned her more than once about the danger).
Pen has always been a good friend to Eloise, while Eloise has always been too self-centered to even listen to Pen or pay proper attention to her best friend.
There's something addictive in this show's utter ridiculousness and that it completely leans into it.
25:10 Wait until you watch the most recent episode of Doctor Who. LOL
Omg so happy you're doing this!
The song with pen on the steps was abcdefu.
The song as Pen is coming down the stairs is a pop song abcdefu by Gayle
LORD DEBLING WAS CREATED FOR THIS SEASON TO BE A PENELOPE LOVE INTREST!!! HE'S NOT IN THE BOOKS!!! 😎👍🏻
Edit: I forgot to mention- HE'S AWESOME!!
Eloise looks so sad and deflated now. I just want to give her a hug.
Yeah, but is Francesca at ease in the chaos of her home?
loved the reaction, glad were watching bridgerton now
1:56 cause he's a soft softboy
You could say you agree with what Lady Whistledown wrote about Colin, but if you think that about your friend, do you discuss it with him or write about it in a popular blog with his name?
Have you seen queen charlotte
I have! I will force Nerdy to join me
#teamELOISE for life 🎉😂❤
i’m team eloise forever and always. they could never make me hate her
I'm Team Eloise also. Thank you. Yes, get a shirt!
“Eloise did nothing wrong”. Eloise would have gotten that boy killed if Anthony had found out. How do you not think that was a bad idea? Forget Penelope. Eloise being caught with Theo WOULD HAVE GOTTEN HIM KILLED.