Why Neuvillette ISN'T OVERRATED with
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- After testing Neuvillette for many patches this is what we've learned, in particular how his strengths made him so highly rated. Thanks TGS for coming for the discussion!
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0:00 neuvillette community reception
3:48 thought he only good due to abyss blessing?
5:37 he doesn't "need" furina
10:48 even theorycrafters are hyping him up
12:23 are some strengths over exaggerated?
14:00 kazuha
16:10 did guides or theorycrafting get anything wrong to make him underrated?
18:46 taser with fischl OHNO
20:00 you can make his charge attack faster
21:00 "balanced"
21:47 the widsith being so good
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The sad music is as a tribute to our fallen brother Ayato, may he rest in peace o7
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He didn't give up even after 8 rotations, respect
Man, Ayato really got the short end of the stick, didn't He?
@@italomorais9424 yea, immediately overshadowed by yelan's kit when he released, was always a sidegrade to childe, and now neuvi does almost the same thing as him but better
Eh us Ayato mains are happy to have Neuvillette because we could have two ayatos for abyss aka braindead hydro daddies
Pls reduce music volume next time. I can’t hear you guys
sorry!
the sad song is for all the other hydro dps who would never be used ever again
Or any majority of DPS imo. Thats a reason why his usage rate always so damn high alongside meta supports because people who have him are using him for super easy clears
@@tama2774 Considering abyss has two sides and there are enemies immune to hydro he didn't push every single dps out of existence.
The BGM made it feels like you guys are talking about a friend who just passed away.
You need to accept Neuvillette's death, the crash wasn't your fault😔
The video was at 11:45 when i read this comment, the music just went up to 100 right then lmao
TGS absolutely nailed the problem with the general community’s pre-release (and honestly sometimes even post-release, *cough*Alhaitham*cough*) takes, people *only* looking at a sheets or sims. Thinking that cause the new team is 60k or 70k or whatever it’s mid and 80k or 90k = OP with zero nuance. Both the “Neuvillete is balanced” and “plunge Tao is the best team in the game” pre-release takes are rooted in this.
To this day, I still see a lot of people still who think the reason Neuvillete is so good is because he *sheets* high with Furina, and there is very little understanding about how his gameplay gives him a lot of advantages vs other DPS.
Unfortunately I think this is a losing battle, because just looking at a single number is always going to require less effort than grasping the actual performance of a character.
In my experience Plunge Hu Tai is indded a very good team. In single target one of the best, but I agree thet we should test the teams and Exel Impact is not reflective on the teams as a whole really.
For me, his gameplay gives him zero advantages, cause it’s boring and not fun
What is Alhaitham's problem? He plays similarly with or without Nahida, has high personal damage, low ER reqs, and can even work without quicken with bloom teams
@@Envy_BruhFor me, it’s the opposite. I like his gameplay bc it’s easy and repetitive.
Preach king 👑😭😭😭
Overrated underrated it doesnt really matter, you can see the results for yourself
You can't, that's the point, game doesn't allow you to play character until you get him
@@ferend4038you can test him out before you get him. The character trial isn’t all encompassing but it’s something.
@@ferend4038 Good thing we have the internet eh
It's not that he's overrated or underrated. It's about every player not shutting up about him whenever a new character is released. To the point where they make you feel bad for not summoning him.
Why is the song so sad?
neuvillette story quest 😭
@@jamiekb9vway too loud mate. Makes it hard to listen to the audio
@@jamiekb9v Not trying to say your content was bad, but the BGM is definitely a bit too loud imo.
This Music makes it seem like Neuvillette is being Removed from the game soon. lol
A lot of people hyper focus on his damage. The thing that makes Neuvillette broken is his AoE, ease of use, high damage at low personal and team investment, best self sustain in the game. He literally has it all. He's also hydro which has the best transformative reactions in the game. For a character to be. better than this they have to out class Neuvillette in all or majority of these traits which is incredibly unlikely.
Why does the music make this sound like a funeral at the start?
MAN CAN YOU STOP THIS BACKGROUND MUSIC WTFF
the music is a bit disturbing. Had issue focusing on what you guys were saying. But good video.
For me, it's more important to know how fun the gameplay is. We've reached a point in Genshin where several different team comps can 36 star the Abyss, and the meta is only really about "how fast" your abyss clears are. But, does it really matter when the Abyss resets every two weeks or so?
And why would high dmg numbers matter if the team reaching those peak numbers isn't fun to play?
I personally prefer Neuvillette over a lot of DPS units because of how fun he us to play (and because Ray Chase is one of my favorite VAs in the entire game).
The definitions of meta is the most optimal way to win. which doesn’t work well in Genshin because it depends on what you want. if you want a team that could clear abyss, then any cohesive team are meta by default as they are capable of clearing abyss without ease. if you want to clear faster, any team is also meta by default as it depends on content and every character in Genshin have strength and weakness depends on what content they are fighting against.
so how do we define meta ? we don’t. that’s why Theorycrafter don’t make a tierlist but instead encourage people to learn about the game and use those knowledge for individual’s need.
So, to me, Meta is about knowledge of the game.
Another good thing about meta is that it help ppl cope with FOMOs, something that Genshin monetize on. I, myself, wouldn’t want any kid to feel pressured to spend money just because their best friend say this character is blah blah blah. hell, I don’t even want them to play Genshin in the first place.
@@nanathedelta8561 Thanks for that explanation. It just feels overwhelming because a lot of Genshin content doesn't abide by your explanation. You mentioned how Theorycrafting encourages people to learn the game, but the truth is, he's just one Genshin content creator. For every channel like his, there are dozens that make teir lists, and push for the top meta units, etc.
There's actually a character I *really* want to build, but she's widely regarded to be a terrible character to play for a variety of reasons. It's Aloy from the Horizon games. For obvious reasons, there's almost no guides for her, and of the few that do, most were made years ago, before newer characters and artifacts came out.
I don't know if she's even good enough to clear Abyss.
Music was distracting and loud tbh and on top of that it was sad ( lound I mean it was louder then both of your voice )
I wanted to ask ,
1. is putting nev in dendro teams good ? Good I mean that arent dendro teams already good enough. So do u think it is worth putting him on those teams rather then putting him on your 2nd team.
2. If I just leave the dendro teams for nev for a sec, are other teams/reaction for nev good?
I meant is that now normally out of 2 teams in abyss most or majority people putting hyperbloom/bloom teams on one side and other team on second side.
So why would I want to put nev in my already good team ( hyperbloom/bloom ) rather then other team options.
So, sry if I am repeating thing but I wanna know the things about nev non dendro teams
Wow, this background music is annoying.
Is Width or prototype amber better for Neuvi? Idk if the amber HP stats is better than the crit dmg Width give.
widsith destroys it but only use if you are comfortable playing with the rng
i cant take this video seriously with the music lmao
Now that i think about it he's basically the only DPS character that's never been at his worst in any version since release. Every abyss rotation, Furina's release and his subtle interaction with ousia enemies in abyss have contributed more than people realize to his overall perception.
He definitely is on a list of highly recommended pulls regardless if you're a casual or speedrunning. If you want a character that doesn't need much to get going and want a comfortable clear then he's your guy. If you want a character that provides you with competitive times in various levels of investment (C0 R0, with sig, C1 R1, etc.) then he's also your guy. Him being glazed is deserved because his only weakness is literally hydro immune enemies which if common probably fcks up some teams I'd say.
Nihilge.
He will surely have a bad time against Maguu Kenki trio and Abyss Heralds freeze chambers not just immune units. The abyss would just favor him for this version.
@@unknownkw Why would he have a hard time against Maguu Kenki trio? I can imagine you're alluding to the fact that he'd easily get staggered and even with Zhongli the shield would get broken. To that I'd say "just dodge and ." He can move around during his charged attack lol. It certainly won't be the easiest thing ever, but I don't think it'll necessarily be a bad time either. At least he'll be better off compared to a lot of others 😭
@@unknownkw Maguu Kenki trio are pushovers to any good AOE comp that can keep them grouped and not die. He builds HP, regains HP, likes to bring shielders like Zhongli, can blast from a safe distance without ungrouping, etc. It's a wrap.
You can do hyperburgeon or vape for heralds with frozen shields.
@@unknownkw he usually brings Zhongli so he can just safely blast all 3 maguus together from safe distance
It's really hard to take this vid seriously with that BGM choice lmao. Has someone died? Is it a motivational video? Are we telling some heroic tales from hundreds of years ago? lol
Ayato died....
is the music choice for an Ayato funeral?
dw bois Pyro archon will revive him! /s
great convo but could u lower the music a little next time 👍
I wonder if he'll get Ganyu or Venti treatment - they were both pretty top of the meta for a while. Even deluc was top tier at one point lol. I guess with neuvelette's raw damage though it's a bit different, unless we get a wave of hydro immune enemies in Abyss for some reason on both sides, usually if there is, it's just one side.
I think one thing that goes quite understated with Neuvi is just how big his primogem upgrades are. C1 R1 is around a 70% personal dmg increase compared to C0 + Prototype Amber in Furina teams, I can't think of a single other 5* character who has such high RoI so early (C2 Raiden is around a 45% personal dmg increase from C0)
Also, what's with the sad music? Are we at Focalors' funeral or
yep it can be quite a lot! although there are ways to work around it depending on someones skill/patience level, like playing a rainbow element vape team and using sac jade/widsith if you don't have the signature.
That's around 45% team DMG increase(in single target). Raiden c2 is about 40% team DMG increase.
@AliHosseini-hj9os How is it single target??? Are you just randomly saying things because you like raiden?
@@razor5694 sorry if my bad English has caused any misunderstanding. What I meant is that nuevillette C1R1 is 70% personal DMG increase over C0R0 in Furina teams. And around 45% team DMG increase in same team. The reason that those number are different is that a fairly considerable portion of teams DMG comes from Furina. However Furinas DMG is mostly single target but nuevillettes is AOE, so increasing nuevillettes personal DMG effects teams DMG more when Furina is not hitting all the enemies. Therefore it's more than 45% team DMG increase in AOE.
@@AliHosseini-hj9os Ahhh. I see what you mean. I understand now thank you
Neuv is fantastic, deals with groups and single mobs, easy to build and use, mine is c0 r1, has well over 300 crit damage with about 80 crit rate and he absolutely plows through abyss
2 goats of genshin tc.
Did someone die why the sad music
music is a bit too loud
Music in background its annoying
Is it advisable to aim for crit substats if i have prototype amber my build is 30k hp 220 crit damage 50 crit rate. Should i sacrifice crit for more hp?
Is the crit before mh activation? If it's after activation then it's bad please switch to a crit rate circlet.
What's with the sad music in the background lol
Probably the only resistance i can see is people not having pulls yet to pull a neuvilette c1r1, to their corresponding constellation spiked favorites. Although this is strictly people with dmg wise and primogem wise efficiency mindset.
Is his weapon worth it? Is the new BP catalyst? I already have R5 Prototype Amber and am curious about how much better weapons #1 and #2 are.
i dont buy battle pass so not for me no
i have the new bp catalyst at r5, i would say it's the closest thing to r1 toef which is a really strong option if you don't mind spending 50$ on battle pass to guarantee yourself a weapon. if you don't mind getting either of the 5* weapons however (toef or freedom sworn) i don't see why you should skip the weapon banner
@@zq7353do you ever get annoyed to see the buff sign disappear when you use him with Sacjade in the overworld
because that's the sole reason I'm getting his weapon lol
I'm still using Prototype amber it's more comfortable in Furina team with two Prototype Amber holder. He was C1 that's why I'm comfortable without shield.
@@Ananta9817 having to wait for sac jade to stack and putting neuvillette not in the first slot is painful yeah I hate it 😅
I saw this video two weeks ago but I haven’t got the time to fully watch the whole thing. now that I did, here’s are my thought on the matters.
He is definitely overrated by casual community in term of DPS. which by itself isn’t much of a problem, until you realize that this is a gacha game that monetizing on FOMOs.
If they say Neuvilette is the best when it’s come to how easy it is to pilot him or how flexible of a DPS he is (being able to consolidate both ST and AoE) then yeah, I agree, but reality is, that wasn’t the case for casual community. when casual community talk about him, it’s always about DPS. which I can understand to some extend. casual players often have skill issue. so when they play a character like Neuvilette, obviously they are going to notice the difference. the problem is that.. they are comparing him to other character in non-optimal play. It’s like saying “Yoimiya is better than Hu Tao if Hu Tao doesn’t do any CA”.
I think his initial reception is at fault as well considering that during his first release banner, the abyss blessing literally give him one more goblet for free. which allows people to be able to solo the abyss.
Casual player also tend to look at TC’s sheet or calc on gcsim without knowing how it works. there was a guy that told me about how Neuvilette team, standing at 80k DPS, overshadow every other teams. not realize that the enemy in the sim has infinite HP. If we were to lower the enemy HP from infinite to 2M HP like the abyss. his team DPS significantly lower than a frontloaded team.
Another argument that they love to bring up is the fact that Neuvillette can solo abyss. therefore he’s the best DPS. obviously, if you give the ability to self-sustain like Neuvillette to other character, they would be able to do that too but the thing is.. this isn’t a one man army game. It’s a 4 party member game. they also tend to forget that Neuvilette is a HP scaler. meanings that he cannot take advantage of common sources of buff like Bennett, NO, ToM, TTDS, etc. so it make senses why his number gotta be very high to compensate that loss. we already have a case like this already. It’s XQ vs Yelan. yeah, Yelan will do more damage than unbuffed XQ but with buffed, they are about the same.
Bro is keeping up is bad take with neuv + furina. You totally lost me when you posted that Xianyun vid, now this takes the cakes as well. Imagine defending ur take bc of overworld 😭
play long enough and you will understand. abyss is 20 minutes at most because all the trash before floor 12, every 2 weeks. I do mess around a bit because there's nothing to do. Overworld is a bigger part, for me at least, and I enjoying exploration and everything else more!
@@luisestevan3272 i play long enough. Literally doesnt mean anything. Did he say anything about Xianyun being good for overworld traversal? Nah. Eula can just normal on Overworld too. Like what even is the point with that? Mind you, he was comparingg a furina neuv and child neuv and saying the latter is good for overworld when neuv alone can deplete overworld 😂😂
@@chimilicitypjm459 how many button press (I'm on console) it take your Eula to kill 1 wooden shield hilichurl in overworld? If it's more than 2, I don't want to hear it, have a nice day!
@@luisestevan3272 and neuvillette can kill overworld hydro immune mobs? If he cant i dont wanna hear it, have a nice day!
@@chimilicitypjm459 Skyward atlas, eye of preception, C2 baizhu, I have a pretty decent clam set too
Why the sad music?
Nuevillette is not balanced. His sheet dps is not that high but still needs to be lower if you want to balance him.
Why music is so sad?XD
The one thing that theorycrafters forget is that they aren't above Mihoyo in deciding if a unit is future proof.
If Mihoyo wants to sell new units they sure as well will find a way to nerf old ones.Cuz it's their game.
I don't think his strengths are over exaggerated,but I think his weaknesses aren't really being exposed because the AoE sides of the abyss are favourable to him
In Sumeru we had enemies that used elemental reactions against us and could deal alot of damage in a short amount of time - like triple kenki, consecrated beasts and groups of eremites
These enemies were designed to punish a greedy playstyle
I think these enemies are being left out of the abyss specifically to let Neuvillette shine
If you remember these enemies could break Zhongli's shield in quite a short amount of time,so it wouldn't really be ideal for Neuv.
Freeze would work but it wouldn't really work much against triple kenki,and cb's have feeze resistance as well.
Ofc you can brute force all of this if your Neuv is highly investement you could just kill enemies before they kill you,but then the same can be said for basically any other dps in the game.
Point being that he has very tangible weaknesses than can be used to nerf him.
Remember when people used to say Morgana,Rational,Ayaka and Nilou were future proof?
He's strong but very nerfable,in terms of relative power in 4.x version he isn't that different from morgana in 1.x, c2 raiden in 2.x or nilou in 3.x
You also have to consider that these units are just products and you get products for what they promise at the moment with longevity being an added bonus not a consideration for most people. Although i do agree with the part that hoyo might just fuck him over if they want.
Nilou is still great, under the same conditions as before but with 1 new annoying enemy for her: coppelius. But you'd rather not run her on boss sides anyways. I don't remember anyone glazing her to be future proof however. Just that she is fun, easy to play and cheap.
The sumeru summoners have already been added to the abyss and Neuvillette melted them just the same. Consecreted beasts on floor 12 would be an interesting matchup, but it's still not that bad for him since you can move around while blasting, Zhongli provides some mitigation. Not being tied to circle impact, and not being a melee unit are his advantages. As for the double herald abyss, you could still just use hyperburgeon like people did with Ayato.
This is not to say he will not be powercrept by another new team and dps because I almost certainly think he will be on natlan but his strengths as a dps is nigh universal.
@@Ananta9817 Nilou is great but I think in the context of current 4.x abyss she was basically powercrept by Neuv who is also arguably better in ST and also better against enemies that don't group themselves together naturally
I don't think TC praised Nilou to be future proof like Ayaka or Ganyu for example,but alot of commenters on reddit were like 'Nilou was hoyo's biggest mistake '
Tbh in really difficult AoE content,I actually think Nilou would be better because she can dodge while Neuv can't,
AoE bosses like Kenki are the toughest content in the game imo.Can't be frozen or grouped,hit almost as hard as real bosses while having movement patterns as difficult to predict as actual AoE content.
I don't think he'll be unplayable against consecrated beasts but it'll be alot riskier and not as good easy,they don't really line themselves up and they have ranged attacks.Let's say your kiting the electro scorpion when the pyro bird launches it's missiles your only choice is to move out of range and not hot the enemy bcuz that thing can almost one shot ZL shield.
@@sauravthegreat While his team is competitive with Nilou in AOE. I wouldn't call it powercreep when their BiS supports don't overlap. I have been almost exclusively playing Nilou/ Haitham 1 side and Neuvifuri other side until I got Navia. Since Neuvi can handle both, you can put him anywhere.
Tbh I think the really annoying to group enemy is the bigass Xiangling bot, but it's more an Ayaka issue and less a Nilou one. I find more that Neuvillette is outperforming Nilou because the AOE side is usually waves of 2 enemies, that is also when they don't add bosses.
I guess the reddit posts are mostly cause of how braindead she is to build and use to get insane results. But since she still gets flak for her restriction it balances out.
I don't think Kenki will be any issue either and we will find out next abyss. Neuv can just put enough distance to avoid slashes while hitting them with his AOE. Then Zhongli's shield tanks a good number of hits too, they will just die before the shield even goes down.
For the consecreted beasts, you can also just avoid some damage by iframing on burst or supports. And I personally think the scorpion bumrushing you will be more annoying if you don't put some distance. Neuvillette tends to overproduce sourcewater droplets depending on rotations and your gameplay, so it's honestly no big deal to cancel some CA for dodges or i-frames, unless you are speedrunning.
I'm probably just gonna pull his c1and use him with Baizhu for what is almost infinite sustain.
If ur talking about direct nerf to characters' kit ..it won't happen .that's illegal and would cause hoyo to get sued ..maybe they can make different abyss settings to not favour him ..but won't make him weaker because that calls for legal problem
Yeah.. a sad thing that playing Nevi after Ayato just straight better and more comfortable in every scenario. I prefer overworld higher and even in that place Nevi is just better. Traversals with charge hold are comfy.
What is this background???did someone die or something? The mood is so off
I liked the edits and song used in the video a lot!
About the "he doesn't need furina" part, I think that it should be nice to separate casual players with F2P ones, I myself want to play as good as possible and I won't have never C1 neu/furina or his weapon to reach the level explained in the video >.
Tbh for some goals (mainly getting to 36* as soon as possible) cons are still good investments for f2p (at least new ones; it is somewhat irrelevant for longer term players because they will have higher investment already).
F2P at least in this stage of the game does not mean minimal 5* usage or investment (not that that can't be fun or another way to play; it is just not synonymous with F2P).
great video but why is the music so sad sounding😂😂
where the song from?
Music's too loud
It's funny that Ayato is praised as a comfort pick that's accessible to mobile/newer players. Meanwhile, Neuvillette's gameplay is “boring” and “brainless” when the only difference between the two is that one does bigger blue numbers; neither has good hydro application. People would be praising Neuv for the same reasons as Ayato if his scaling was nerfed.
I think the “Neuv is overrated” sentiment comes from some people saying that c1r1 Neuv is better than c6 Yelan unironically. 💀
i thought Ayato had decent hydro app though not to level of say the three XQs, Kokomi, and Childe.
it's kinda funny too cause i find Ayato to be more boring as say Neuvillette. Ayato has flexibility yeah but honestly? who cares about flexibility when you can brute force your way through.
Honestly, that's the funniest part to me cause I remember people praising the heck out of Ayato. Neuvillette's problem is that he almost has no weakness you can point at, so the copers end up going for describing ease of use gameplay as "boring".
@@usmanya5110 he has better hydro app than xq and yelan and furina. since his is aoe
music is ab it too loud for my taste. its hard to understand the voices sometimes
in the Neuvillette with Furina vs Neuvillette with Childe for speedrun section, I would add that in the current unlimited gold cost section (All C6R5 characters) Furina and Childe times clear are identical to each other (Furina/Neuv 29 seconds BV1dF4m1c7ss, Childe/Neuv run also 29 seconds BV1cM4m1R79i bilibili website). Could you believe that? Especially because Childe cons aren't great and also irrelevant to Neuvillette
And now yeah, said cost is unaffordable and irrelevant to 99.9 percent of players, so why even posting this specifically? It's simple, and it's the fact that the more invested your Neuvillette is, the more he cares about his own damage window and the less he cares about any sub dps he can get. This is considering that Childe doesn't have good vertical investment while Furina does, and yet the time clears are identical as Neuvillette's damage is so high and the enemies in the game do not have enough HP for the difference between both off fielders to be very significant (the abyss HP pool is increasing indeed, but very slowly) and of course, the fact that Furina goes through an animation while Childe does not, because while Furina buff is important, so is Neuvillete CA uptime and he has too little downtime. It can be said while of course the Furina team is clearly the "stronger" team between the two, Childe not touching field makes up for the no difference in clear times.
So it really depends on the user's account. For example, Childe is a more niche character than Furina, and in a scenario where you wanted to pull a hydro buddy for Neuv, unless you intend to play international, I would say that Furina is definitely the best option. but when you take both C0 levels of investment, Furina is more of a sidegrade/not an upgrade, since Nuevillette loses his multiplicative third stack and Furina's buff (plus sub dps) is not frontloaded enough to compensate (you could run Kazuha/Zhongli/Xiangling and he could perform better) . But if your Neuvillette has C1, and Furina has cons, then the improvement is significant. also not everyone cares about clear times, vape is more tricky to play while monohydro is more comfy, while funnily also vape loses value if you happen to be a C6 whale (damn expensive but it exists). Or if you want to play Furina in first place, or how much you want to invesment on Neuv vs supports, and how Zhongli seems to be "better" than Baizhu at low levels of invesment but Baizhu is used instead by extreme invesment whales etc. Everyone should be able to evaluate what they think is best for each account and draw a conclusion from that.
a lot of the reason childe's passive is so strong, is because the buffs that the rest of his "bis teammates" offer, are repetitive buffs. they all give % damage buff (furina ult, zhongli petra, and kazu swirl passive), while 2 of them give resistance drops (kazu vv and zhong shield)
Childe's buff, is a unique damage increase, and doesn't get "watered down" by stacking other buffers.
@@Sc4r4byte Well yeah, %dmg buffs can be heavily diluted by external sources. Raiden for example already has huge amount of self %dmg buffs and thus she doesn't benefit a lot from Furina. or if you're using someone else who already buffs %dmg (Yelan, Kazuha) it also gets diminished hard. This isn't something that's been pointed out by players often, which can be odd.
The music could be toned down a little bit, or not be there at all. In my opinion no music would better suit a video like this. Nevertheless, the video was great as usual
great video but why the sad song tho
made me sleepy
Bro if u were able to pick 2 chars between furina baizu and neuvillite who has the most synergy as a pair and comfort and dmg
Furina and neuve
neuvillette furina of course!
What is baizhu doing there?
Jamie would you mind reposting another video without bgm as unlisted and pin it under your comment or something? Its a bit unbearable. I cant hear you guys clearly and when i can hear you guys, my housemates are complaining...
unfortunately its not really possible. I will edit better in future videos!
yo! this music. it's disturbing the conversation. would rather have no music.
sorry! unfortunately it can't be lowered without deleting and reuploading again which is not possible
@@jamiekb9v wow you replied. sorry if I sounded rude. no no it's fine. i commented this while 2 mins into the video where I was bothered by music but now I'm into 15 mins into the video and I completely forgot that music is there. so I think it's fine. no worries.
Biggest problem is that now all Hydro DPS Characters are pretty much invalidated/overshadowed by Neuvilette number/gameplay wise.
They would have to highly gimp Neuvilette to make new Hydro DPSs appealing, something like they did with Venti, but I have no idea how they would do it.
poor Ayato, like at least Childe has a really strong team even if it's not top 5 anymore that he works best in and he's frontloaded and Sustain Vs. Neuvillette who is mostly sustained, but neuvillette is somewhat easier to play than him so he has that advantage.
@@usmanya5110 thats just ayato being bad though. Ayato really needed better numbers.
@@luminous3558 he's not like bad "bad". But man Flexibility over power can sometimes hurt a unit especially when he doesn't have a team he's BiS slot in. i will say this though at least he didn't suffer as badly as Albedo.
bro laughed at taser teams 💀
i actually kinda like prototype amber lisa! she builds fanfare and has def shred debuff with ok aoe dmg
@@jamiekb9v true! it does it heals a crapton like 90% per tick and lisa hits every enemy within range her circle every 0.5 you should make a vid about that soon thanks alot im learning. jamie tc so good
a fully buffed and stacked c1 r1 neuvillete's charge atttack is literally the delete button of genshin. sweeps everything
I have c0 he's still great!
Yeah there's reason why on CN speedrun, neuvilette is always top 1
He isn't always on top
i thought lyney was top 1
Neuvillette not “needing” Furina was controversial because it was being compared to another xl team when some are clearly sick of people just focusing XL when they want other teams.
Xiangling currently the best unlike no other. It's benet who you should kick to the curb, honestly since the start of sumeru him and kazuha both!
I can't agree with most hyped dps ever, because there's such a vocal crowd of "nobody is required" nowadays.
That's different from the hype when Ganyu/Hu Tao first came out and set a whole new level of expectations of what a dps should be. (We had no idea just how long-lasting Xiangling Supremacy would be then. Ah, those days...) The sentiment that they were overrated wasn't as strong as it is with Neuvillette, who garners opinions ranging from "there are so many good options, he's not special", to those such as "he's boring to play".
Ganyu and C0 Hu Tao also had those disliking their playstyles, but that didnt come with denying their power as much as Neuvi.
That might just be my bias, from those parts of the community I personally see, but I think the community is more divided about characters strengths nowadays.
I think its just there's not many dpses back then during Ganyu & Hu Tao's release (only Childe, Klee, Xiao), compared to today with Dendro teams still being competitive as well as other Fontaine dps.
Not to mention in terms of hype he's still overshadowed by the upcoming ""archon"" making people skipping him and aiming for his rerun instead. Exact same case as Nilou
It's because of the cringy waifu nerds
Saying that nobody is required is not denying his power or not admitting his strength. He is very strong, but from the perspective of an account with limited resources (started in 3.7, cleared 12 in 4.0, 36* in 4.5; which mine and probably many people are) his strength is of course good, but not to the extent that many people seem to think. He is very good, but will not at these levels of investment carry a team, solo a side, or make/break the account.
As someone who is particularly interested in practical power (i.e. the resource allocation part of the game) he is extremely good, but still overrated by the general community (mainly because of fixation on on-field, poor understanding of game mechanics, and general hyper that is relevant to other frameworks but not this one).
no one has said he is under rated
They are saying he isn't overrated. Not that he is underrated.
Neuvillette is overrated, in my opinion very much overrated like people are literally comparing him to kazuha, because of the upcoming banners, little by little he is beginning to look like hutao in my eyes especially with his position in the meta
One, one of the things that made some of the community not like hutao is not because she fails in the damage compartment, in fact she still has the high single target dps in the game at whatever invest at c6, she can nuke down anything and at c1, she is a charged attack spamming machine, but her playstyle is clunky and boring that is why some part do the community don’t like her, Neuvillette is similar high range at all investments but he is such a bore his animations and all are all such a bore, a very boring character to play all you do is charged attack
Because of his flawed position, people tagged him as the best dps not that they are wrong but we all need to know that we are in the hydro meta everything works for hydro, wait few patches and let’s see how high he would rank, he is the best dps in comfortability when outputting damage that is all, on paper and reality he doesn’t have the highest damage of any dps fine he can solo the abyss that is because his scaling is crazy to where with support his damage increase is not that much, like neuvillette doesn’t need Furina to function properly he is that good but then his damage is not the highest, on paper and in speed runs he doesn’t have the highest dps, literally a c6 lyney, c6 hutao, c6 wanderer and many more speedrun faster than neuvillette
I am not downplaying him he is very good, he is the best dps rn but he is not far from the likes of hutao, alhaitham, lyney etc
In conclusion neuvillette is the best dps rn because he is good in single target and aoe but he is not the best single target dps, hutao, lyney, wanderer and alhaitham hyperbloom beat him out there , you might argue for Aoe but he has competition from nilou bloom and childe international, and for those comparing him to kazuha know this, and know peace no dps in this life and the next life to come can ever compare to kazuha in anyway shape or form, it’s not like neuvillette is this dps that works in every team, he is a hyper carry you need to work around him
Like really the community needs to change their perspective of neuvillette, it is really becoming out of hand comparing him to a support
C6 scara, hutao, and alhaitham do not speedrun faster than c6 neuv lmfao. In fact at any cons from c1 and beyond, they get wiped by him. Any of the top CN runs have already proven it. As for lyney, he only can clear slightly ahead of neuv if every chamber is just one single target boss, and the boss has to be able to die to lyney’s 2CA E combo for that to happen
Looks like you don't watch Chinese speedruns
butterfur and jstern will hunt you down 🤣
i love neuvillette because it shows the inferiority complex of other players
p much
Same!!
I feel sorry for people who pulled for Ayato, must be rough having a straight up downgrade with Neuvilette out.
That and good luck to future Hydro Dps Characters, will never be as good as Neuvilette before even releasing.
@@wayforglory945 eh i played Ayato alot and pulling Neuvi feels like i got my "Second Ayato" for abyss team since they both braindead to play and have flexible teams.
@@wayforglory945perhaps! but it will be easy to powercreep him on a fun aspect.
Time and time again people only focus on the raw numbers and don't look outside of that. What makes Neuvilette so strong is simple. His aoe is insane and his single target barely suffers because of it. Most characters actually typically fall into a middle grounds between aoe and single target with some being pushed closer to one side or the other. Yoimiya is pure single target while Hu Tao is mostly single target with decent aoe and Xiao pre-xianyun lacked in single target but had good aoe. Neuvilette came in with the best aoe in the game and had super solid single target damage at the same time. He didn't lack in either category essentially meaning he had no weaknesses. Even with most carries or teams who's damage is aoe based it can typically be a bit clunky or take a bit of work to set yourself up so that you are guaranteed to hit every enemy at the same time because that gives you the fastest clears possible. WIth Neuvilette there is no work to be done. He does it for you. Being able to hit every enemy within line of sight with no effort should not be taken lightly. A carry that can do everything is what makes him so strong. Outside of hydro immune enemies there is no content you can't bring him into an absolutely crush. My strongest of teams with C4 Ayaka, C3 Raiden, (C2 Nahida with Cyno or Alhaitham), C2 Ayato, C2 Itto + C6 gorou, etc. All those crazy teams of mine still pale in comparison to the simplicity and power of my Furina and C1R1 Neuvilette. That says something.
Oh the impact Neuvillette made as an ONFIELD unit esp when most players always scream "support > DPS"
Neuvillette is overrated because that's what I need to tell myself in order to feel better about not pulling him. It's a time honored strategy, not unlike the Joestar special technique.
As blackbeard once said "A man's cope never dies!"
You messed up audio mixing, the music is too loud and barely hear you guys talking + the music choice is questionable, it just sounds too depressing here, makes it unwatchable for me. :(
For power, he's the best C0, C1 and signature R1 you can spend for in the game. That's unquestionable. Wont be powercrept for at least a year.
I think the best C1, is Furina C1 and his signature is good for him and fine for others, but there are other signatures that are good on a lot of other characters, like homa.
He s not getting powercreept until shneshnaya at least … 2 years at least (and I think it a not possible to powercreept him really… maybe someone stronger but much harder to play will be relased )
best C0R0 dps is alhaitham not neuv lmao he even loses to xiao and hutao at C0R0 investment
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzalhaitam is better with a really good build but not Xiao not Hutao… my Neuvi at c0 was cracking abyss much faster than my almost perfect build Xiao with his bis r3
@@hirone5337 thats skill issue at that point, and pjws is not good on him anymore maybe switch to blackcliff or homa way better results
Tbh he isn't overrated his kit is literally make as a hyper carry.
From his ascension talent to his artifacts everything about it is to do dmg.
I would be surprised if he doesn't do dmg after all the self buff and kit designed to do dmg comfortablely.
Also i mainly play ayato in my acc don't have neuvillette but
I'm very happy that neuvillette come out cus i do my friends' abyss and them pulling for him make my life easier to clear abyss 😂
Butterfer0808 wants to know your location...
People who say he’s overrated are just frustrated that he’s the best dps. Even the best single target characters are slightly better than him vs bosses, while Neuvillette obliterates them in every other situation.
Also no circle impact :D
Lol navia and lyney better
@@kingdoom5022 In the sense of the front load they can do yes. Neuvilette big streanght is thet he is very consistent agains single target and AoE as well. Compered him Navia falls off very hard in mobbing, though she is pretty good agains bigger enemise even in AoE.
Neuvillette haters are just people who are waifu simps who CANNOT swallow the fact hoyo made strong male dps... Maybe their waifu will dote on them if they shit on him idk
@@kingdoom5022lyney is kinda underrated i would say majority will think he is weaker than hutao etc but u know what its their mindset
@@kingdoom5022 Oh no, my circle impact slave clears 5% faster in single target, while Neuvi obliterates them in every other situation. He’s overrated!
Hf reseting 20 times to clear 2 sec faster than Neuvi because the ennemy slightly moved or because you got one shot(thanks Benett self pyro application)
Yes, Neuvillete is broken as fuck, but the ones that rules the genshin meta are the supports and neuvillete is pretty restrictive when comes to then, so since we are going to the pyro nation wich is the "atk scalling" element i dont think we will see him in the best of the best spot later...
I'm still curious how really good is hydro dragon.
He can solo sustain himself
He can deal good raw DMG
He was so easy to use even Newbie can play him very well
there is a reason why I always call him Noobillette ^^
U have no idea til this day Ayato simps are still coping Neuvillette is sidegrade Ayato
what are bros yappin about?
He's definitely 100% overrated , at C0R0 he's good but lyney , navia , tartagila and nilou all have better results most of the time , at C1R1 he's probably the best but most players don't care at all about constellation or signature weapon
What a cope, you definitely don't have Neuvillette to be saying something this wrong.
Bruh, I've used them all, and I could tell you that Neuvillette is still better at C0R0. Lyney and Navia fail so hard in AoE, Childe only viable with National and Neuvillette's team apparently; Nilou fails so bad at single target, whilst she also very restricted in terms of team comps.
My friend have c0 neuvi without Signature still can solo Abyss ?
@@yoiko89 try it and you will most likely or see where you need to improve, what are you scared of about?
Me when I lie
Neuvillas is the best. I lov him.
Neuvillette is about as future proof as it gets when it comes to a DPS, so the sup > dps arugment can't be used here. If people can't see this for themselves and need a tc'er to tell them this, I don't know what to say
Sup > dps as always. Can Neuvilette make my Eula deal more dmg like Furina does?
Don't answer "why would you play Eula?" because people want to play their favorite character.
@@user-iq1hj2ds4q A new player could resonably get C1 R1 Neuv from saving/events/welkin/exploration and Furina. That's all they really need to beat the game, unless they wanna be a pay piggy until the game is over
@@luisestevan3272 that doesn't answer my question and you said "Neuvilette is about as future proof as it gets when it comes to a DPS" and then you went "sup > dps argument can't be used here"? It doesn't even make sense here. Neuvilette being future proof or not has nothing to do with supports. They don't do the same roles as Neuvilette.
Sub DPS ? Lol
@@yoiko89 ? what if i told you Kuki or Xiangling does more dmg than kazuba? IKR? MINDBLOWN!
There is one reason why Neuvillette is overrated: Genshin doesn't have hard content, where anyone would ever need his strength.
If this game have survival mode gameplay possible. That hydro dragon don't appear in meta.
Nah, he's OVERRATED. People have this crazy view of him being the clear definitive best carry.
When at c0r0, he's competitive with every other top carry in the game, not really clearly outshining others. Childe international clears faster in many scenarios at c0r0. Only when you get his c1r1, then he becomes the definitive best carry
as someone who has speedran with both teams, the key idea is that the neuvillette run is 5x quicker to record than most teams. he is easy and consistent to play at a high level
8 resets is all Internat needs to dispatch of you.
Did you even watch the video?
@@jamiekb9v yes, his gameplay is braindead and boring. You'll get his max potential damage easier. That explains why he's overhyped since genshin is a casual game.
If anything, i think people underrate Furina with Neuvillette. Pair her with Jean or Xianyun (for VV) and she'll provide c0 Neuvillette more damage (and team DPS) than Kaazuha will with a team that gives Neuvillette full draconic stacks.
kazuha creates stronger teams than replacing him with a healer!
Ye what jamie said, usually people will run furina + kaz + healer (baizhu, Charlotte, kuki) for neuv c1+. I'm assuming that stays consistent w/ c0 especially given theres been innate aura enemies in the abyss.
@@jamiekb9v obviously, but when people say "Kazuha is his best teammate" but then say "Furina doesn't increase his damage that much when Neuvillette is at C0," its kind of contradictory. Especially when grouping is rarely needed with Neuvillette given his range and AoE.
@@MortisTangit you have to factor kazuha is basically always a dps, grouping, buff/debuff/setup, and improvement to pretty much all relevant neuvillette playstyles at any investment, whereas furina's impact can vary depending on investment levels. kazuha can be replaced with anemo healers for not much dmg loss theoretically but can just feel worse practically. both are still great teammates for him 1 and 2, but kazuha just takes no.1 at least in my opinion. but you are welcome to disagree!
@@jamiekb9v I do factor those things in - the more I've played Neuvillette the more I've realized the grouping isn't that valuable in most chambers because of his range and AoE. When I play Neuvillette in Furina/Jean/Fischl, his personal damage is significantly higher than when I play similar like Kazuha/Fischl/Baizhu.
Because Kazuha and Furina are so good in so many teams, and I'm "maining" a C0 Neuvillette (without Zhongli), I've experimented with many different teams archetypes for him. With Furina and Kazuha, With just Furina, with just Kazuha. Hyper, burn vape, EC, vape, etc. obviously highest personal damage with both, but better damage with Furina+anemo healer(no Kazuha) than with Kazuha (no Furina). Same for team DPS. Gcsim with KQM standards or personal stats and optimizer reflect the same the me.
Agree to disagree!
I hated the background music ..
not at all needed when you 2 speak ..