@@marianmarkovic5881 It's not just about cost up front however. Sure, if you're a hobbyist and do it for fun then go ahead. But for those of us running a business, just buying a new board is a faster method and essentially risk-free. The customer covers the cost anyway, and you don't have the risk of the customer bringing it back a month later saying it's broken TL;DR - Technically possible; practically unwise
@@thecomputersurgeon I get it completly,.. i just put it in since u were talking about how it is possible to replace it. also even by fixing pins,.. just completly test mobo completly, would be pain in butt. it is not for me thoo just upgrading BIOS give me chills. did u keep mobo thou? if u get equipment eventualy,...
Some time ago I had a bent pin problem, admittedly a much less severe one, which I caused myself by poking the pin array with my finger to see what it feels like (...) when I took the mobo out before RMAing it due to an unconnected issue. I ended up stuck with the board because the manufacturer doesn't touch a board if even a single pin is bent, but the local retailer's support guy gave me a good tip - cut off the tip from a larger hypodermic needle and use that to guide the pins. That helped and the board works to this day (albeit still with the original problem).
That's an interesting idea - I've had people say they use the hollow point of a mechanical pencil before but I'd still consider that too large, although I haven't tried it myself. I use a knife-blade as I can better see what I'm doing with it, but there's probably value in experimenting with other tools, in case something works better for you.
Yes and far to much thermal Paste, defiantly a novice job and that is some badly bent pins, Thing with that is Warranty's don't cover bad build mistakes so new Motherboard it is. Great Vid :) AdamAntIT
Loved the prescient "I'm gonna have a quick nosey at this before I go any further, just in case I see anything horrifying and go 'there's your problem".
Step 1 when this happens to you: don't panic lol. You will feel the blood draining from your face, this is normal. Keep calm and google! Thanks for another good troubleshooting vid
Yea, the mobo is cheaper than the CPU. However, I'm firmly of the belief that it's significantly easier to break LGAs than it is PGAs. Tbh as bigjoeangel said, both require care.
My first PC was a gift that wouldn't POST from a friend as a throwaway. Lots of diagnosing turned into straighting a ton of pins on an Athlon II. Free PC with an 8800GT started me on this long path!
You should DEFINITELY get a lighted magnifier before anything else ! I can't imagine doing what you did with those pins without one - it's hell on your eyes ! Maybe also get a PCI diagnostics card to help point you in the general direction of where the fault is. In this case, I imagine it would return a CPU error of some kind (or a 00 code in the first instance when it wasn't doing anything at all).
Oh my god the second I saw those pins I screamed NO NOT THE PINS. People need to understand that you have to be extremely careful with stuff like this, it's not like we're drywalling or something, be gentle. Understandable I suppose, most building projects in other domains are much more anti-fragile. Regardless of the unsuccess good effort king.
Whenever I have to mess around in my PC or replace a component I get anxious, especially if it's a fiddly one like the power supply... which I will have to replace soon, ordered a Fractal Design ION+ 860P to replace my midrange CX 650 that has no place in a 3900X & 3070 build. But watching your videos helps ease that anxiety. Tells me "it's okay, don't stress it, you can't mess this up. Treat it as a fun hobby". Thank you and this channel for existing!
What a shame, the owner should of asked you to assemble the new parts. A frend brought his machine around because it was not posting, i did just what you did, remove the brick of a display card and plug the montor into the internal one. A corrupt display appeared, i jumped straight to the memory as onboard displays use the main ram. Compressing one strip fixed the display, so out it came and another plopped in. He was happy as larry :-D A different frend brought his system round because it was acting really odd and the bios didn't always see the hard drive, i unplugged the drive and the whole power/sata pins connector came clean off the drive. How the drive became damaged i don't know, i wasn't using any force, owner abuse i suspected. Out came the 18 watt antex and after resoldering the connector back on the pcb it worked spot on. I've never ever seen that happen before or since.
when I 1st started building machines, we would always build them in the box the board came in to see if they would at least post and only after then we would build them into a machine - but back then IRQ's and DMA channels had to be set manually
arh god bless the dam irq jumpers ..and all the extra add in cards you would need for mainboards then you find the sound card irq options all clashed with something else
Got 2 boards from a friend with a shop no post. Both had bad chipset. One I could make post by replacing startup chip but some PCE slots and IGPU not working. For the second I will try to replace the chipset chip but have to wait for China parts. Short on USB data lines directly wired into the chipset. So my tip, if you can’t find the fault, measure for shorts on usb data line and shorts on the chipset directly. Flash/reset bios. Use a replacement PSU and remove everything from PSU and mother not necessarily for post. Checking all voltages. CPU, RAM, Chipset. Cheap pre heat station: T8280 Preheating Station I use it myself. But check for ground/earth connection before using it....
10:34 Had an HP NetServer that needed the shunt moved into the short position and then the machine had to be powered up, then shut down and that cleared the BIOS. The shunt was then returned to the normal position. If I had been able to remove the battery on that one I would have. Removing the battery removes all doubt that the BIOS has been cleared.
in the first 3 seconds of the video i was thinking about bend pins in the socket. the most common faliure i noticed from my customers over the last 7 years
When I built my first pc over ten yrs ago i was waiting for the cpu to come in the mail and it finally arrived but in my eagerness to place it in the socket i bent some pins like a big idiot and some pins broke off but i did manage to save it. I took an old cpu that was no good to me anymore and broke some pins off and placed them in the socket holes of the MB and it worked like a charm, all you need is a little contact and it should work and it did work for many yrs to come
Thanks for the video you had me intrigued to make sure my Ram in the right slots. I'm glad you point out the little things it certainly helps and your videos are excellent I find them so helpful.
I consider myself lucky enough to own a BGA rework station and the tools that go with it. If you aren't willing to put at least £1600 then don't bother. Cheap stations need better ceramic plates, they really suffer from uneven heating. If your going to get one then look at a Jovy RE-8500. Then get a BGA Squeegee. I highly recommend getting Insat super flux (eBay) & Amtech LF-4300 the two work best together.
Great example of why even if PC building has gotten much easier, its still recommended that you do your research before building yourself. (And by proper research, I mean more then one video/article on the subject)
These days, there are so many really good vids that newbie builders can watch on a whole host of subjects / topics. Key to CPU mounting is to DO it with the motherboard OUT of the case, plus I mount the cooler etc but that can be fixed later.. Intel have pins the CPU as you have seen, sits on. AMD have pins that go into the socket.. still have to take care AND ALL CPUs MUST be put into the socket THE right way ie usually with a little triangle pointing to one on on the socket or fits into the socket ONLY one way.. Stay safe and believe me with over 40 years of building pcs building one that works well, does what you want it to do, is a pleasure that can have you hooked.. Over the years from the late 70s YES I was working for a company that built pcs for 'Reuters' the international news agency. ' Soldering control boards to chemical cleaning to testing, building into case etc packaging and despatch - the LOT!! My wife was a COBOL, PYTHON and Basic IBM programmer /coder/ trainer for a major drinks company in the UK and I looked after her HOME computer / server systems with regular new builds/upgrades etc When she had time OFF which we made sure she did.. we spent it across the world AND at top hotels that were free to use by us.. as a bonus.. meals the lot.. Obviously I also looked after and built for other people across the decades and still DO.. 👀😀I also some years ago put together with my wife a computer RETAIL database system for a friend of mine who owned a CYCLE shop selling push bikes, electric bikes etc.. Computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse etc the works.. My wife did the training for using it (made VERY easy to use but VERY VERY accurate re stock control, ordering, sales (customer info +) receipts.. hire purchase agreements, fax and so much more.. He was so impressed that we had two trips to cycle wholesalers to buy stock with travel expenses, hotel and meals etc paid for by him.. By then we knew what to put into the database re relevant details for the operators AND for the indirect benefit of customers.. "I want a hybrid bike with 301 tubing.. 21inch frame, 10 gears or more.. Shimano shift etc etc.. " Owner could input percentages on price between wholesale and retail AND see profit margins/sales and more.. Later of course.. website with shopping cart and banking facilities.. ! NOW retired thank you to just the occasional builds/repairs for friends and family! 👀😀 Stay safe.
Damn. Just had top end PC in (Ryzen 7 5800x, 3070, 32GB 3600 RAM), guy did it all himself and all worked before putting into case. After gone into case it wouldn't start, not even a blink. After some messing around with PSU I found out that one of the lines plugged in was shorting it thus shutting it down instantly. Followed the wires and to my amazement I found out Floppy connector plugged into fan pins! It shouldn't fit but the guy pushed it in anyways. Took it out, PC started instantly. Lucky that the PSU was shutting down instantly so no damage was done to the components.
My first build's 3 year anniversary this week. Took me 2 days because I was trying to be so careful with those damn tiny headers. I was shocked when it actually booted up and worked fine. Then I tried to overclock without doing my homework...black screen and off to the local shop (much like yours) we went....$50 dollar mistake but worth the education.
Talking about plugging stuff into the wrong header. I remember many years ago a friend of mine had built a PC and had some problems with it. He came to me with it, and this is many years ago, so don't remember exactly what he said, but most probably that the front USB 2.0 ports was not working. So I plugged one of my USB sticks into them and got nothing. Then discovered my USB stick was no longer working on my PC either. Turns out he had plugged the USB 2.0 header into the firewire header on the motherboard. lol. So probably gave the wrong voltage/voltage on wrong pins. Actually killing stuff that got plugged into the front USB ports. I think he had killed some of his stuff aswell. Maybe a headset and/or joystick. Anyway, as payment for me fixing it, and that one of my USB sticks got broken I traded his i7 2600K for my i5 2500K CPU. Something that served me well for many years, as the i7 2600K aged really well. At one point he even wanted it back. I actually ran this i7 2600K system up until April of 2024. But I would say it was very viable for a gaming rig up until 2020. Legendary CPU.
Ah lazy days on the farm amongst as 'Wordsworth would have proclaimed' A host of golden daffodils.. believe me, hundreds of em.. (sold to markets et in London) or buttercup strewn fields.. or yellow beautiful PRIMROSES... along the path to the beach.. AH youth is a wonderful memory indeed.. 'Cornwall' 😎💖👌
Well that was an expensive lesson for the customer. Why they thought the pc would work with all those bent pins is beyond me, but there you go. Great insight as ever :)
That looks like when he was building the computer, he left the motherboard on the bench with a pile of stuff on top and the socket without cover. A corner of something got in between the pins and moved every other way. Something just falling or resting on top of them would have bent them in the same direction. And more localized. (Been there, done that, to my shame)
I like how you said at the beginning you had a chat with him and he had his head on straight as far as the build...lolol This is one of the most common mistakes for inexperienced users who know JUST enough to be dangerous...lol Oh well, keeps the rest of us employed!! ;)
Experience drives troubleshooting styles. New to technology, systematic step by step is your style. Know a little, maybe system or modular divide and conquer troubleshooting works for you. My favorite, using most experience, is intrinsic. Intrinsic examines the areas of greatest faults and isolates them. This style saves lots of time. No style is wrong, just say'in.
Likely would've been cheaper for the customer to buy a pre-built. New mobo + labor is going to increase the overall cost substantially. Fantastic troubleshooting though; the reason why I subscribed.
Geez I had no idea a full socket replacement was doable at a PC shop level. Would love to see that content on your channel at some point should you decide to invest in the necessary equipment. That would be so badass!
You can see the full process enacted on some of the game boxes such as Xbox, Nintendo, PS4 etc where they heat and remove certain micro chips.. CPU etc Its intensive and compelling to watch 👀😀 Stay safe!
Holy Cow! those pins, I find that most of the time its usually bent pins from an inexperienced builder rather than faulty hardware but seeing that was brutal and those LGA pins are trickier than ryzen pins
Im bit baffled, how did they manage to damage all those pin's ?? Those motherboard + CPU have notches that guide you in correct direction so it almost or impossible to install CPU wrong? How those got bend ?
So it is indeed Hello InterWebs at the beginning haha! Also I don’t think i would ever attempt replacing a socket, but would be interested to see Graham do it
Do you think you could get the socket up to reflow temperature with the heater you have by moving it around a lot and pulling the socket up by the pins? Maybe you could get it loose on one side, then pry it up and do the other side. Unless the customer wants to wait until you have the right equipment you have nothing to lose.
It can be done, but I think it requires a fair bit of prep and a pre-heater. I've got some parts on the shelf to do a practise run on an old AM3 motherboard, but it's quite far down my list of stuff to do at the moment.
Always start with the diagnostic speaker & see what is says, if anything. If you remove RAM and the speaker makes zero noise, then move to mobo and cpu.
It takes a special brand of bufffonery to plug a PWM fan in to the completely wrong socket. To be fair, the screen printing is misleading but he should have taken more time and consulted the motherboard manual carefully. One thing I did notice on a build I did a year ago on a Gigabyte board was just how much more legible and clear the screen printing was compared to the Asus boards I normally use.
@@bigjoeangel Old age, failing eyesight and failing to spot too may "fff's" . What can I say? How about "Doh!" Maybe YouTubing with lack of sleep not a good idea.... (sleep apnoea) so in future more care should be taken over proof reading. But, apart from that did you agree with my comments?
@@iansyme3535 I can sympathise with you're age related ailments. I do generally agree that the person who built this PC was indeed a careless buffoon who didn't read the manual properly. As far as the silk-screen text on Asus versus Gigabyte boards, I've had both brands and had no problems with legibility. I think it may vary on a board to board basis, depending on the colour of the PCB used and various fancy styling elements employed, such as matt black PCB with gloss black text and RGB lighting, etc.
@@bigjoeangel the Gigabyte board which I thought was well marked up was as cheap as chips for a present of a build to a neighbours son coupled with a cheap dual core intel processor. It struck me immediately how well marked it was but as you say, may be more due to the extra finishing and varnishing up etc on a more elite motherboard. You kind of expect an expensive motherboard to do well in this department but does not seem to be the case!
Wonder if an item of clothing did the damage to the socket. Having watched a video from another channel it looks like the fibers can easily get hooked onto the pins almost like velcro.
Wow the pins. I have never seen bent pins, just heard about them. out of tens of computers i have assembled for friends or they had asselebled, nobody did that. Friend though got an amd with bent leg once.. But it was a long time ago, when we were in school, (amd k7 maybe) and the leg was easy to bend back did not break it. Should have returned it to the shop though, they obviously gave him dropped cpu :D
Now I'm curious how much the board heater and hot air socket kit cost. You just got a much nicer hot air station, and I'm sure you have a fair number of dead mobos you could practice socket replacement on. I'd love to see you attempt it.
Because production cost on the CPU, & the problems don't come out of Intel's margin. Plus if you have to replace one or the other for bent pins, I'll take replacing motherboard, it's cheaper. As for who makes money off such accidents, that changed from Intel to motherboard manufacturer with the change.
@@beardyface8492 Fair point. I'm guessing miniturisation caused the pin design change. Then they shifted the pins to the socket for the reasons you outline.
i'm the only one in my town that takes in custom/prebuilt gaming computers for repairs. i don't own a shop i do things in my house. and theres 2 other actual repair shops here in town and they are both afraid to touch mid to high end machines. so they tell their customers to bring it to me. nothing wrong with that and it's so frequent now that i only fixed gaming and workstation computers. i've seen a lot of beginner mistakes. after i fix the computers and i know its a custom rig. i educate the customers when they come to pick up their system. so they don't make the same mistake and do it properly the next time they pick at their machine or build a new one
10:40: Regarding CMOS reset: It is my understanding (as a total noob) that the problem with just taking out the battery is that there is capacitance in the memory cells. DRAM is basically just a ton of mosfets, and the fact that they can hold a charge in the gate (which can then be detected via conductivity from source to drain) is the very reason they are being used as memory cells. Yes, without power, that charge will eventually dissipate (because of that pesky entropy thing) and reset everything. That's why you have to refresh DRAM constantly. Unfortunately, there's really no guarantee for when that'll happen. If you only take out the battery, most of the time, the DRAM will probably lose its data pretty quickly. But Murphy's Law says it won't the moment you actually rely on it. On the other hand, if you use the Clear CMOS pin (or just short the battery terminals after taking the cell out, which does the same thing), you're providing a path to ground for the charge, causing it to drain away almost immediately (let's say less than 10s). To me, that seems like the more reliable method. Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood something.
you can do it without expensive equipment , just head it up to plastic melt point aroud 260 degres and remove it in pices, then removing pins will be easy(you also can melt it by acetone if abs). To re solder you use solder paste and frame to put it on pads then put new socked on it heat it up to 160-180 degres from botom of board(solder paste has very low meting point). The port for this board cost around 10usd. port will align it self on pads.
@@Adamant_IT probly not there will still be leftover solder on pads, in factory they use solder paste to solder all componets to boards. they put solder paste, then components and it go thru furnance at 160-180 degres(you have one chance when sodering with it next time meting point will be in range of normal solder.
just tried to remove lga1151 and its coming off very easy with hot air. it take 1 min to remove it but you shuld go slower to not lose pads. with litle trening it will be easy.
people should start using the PC Speaker, cause it gives most of the time an error beep wich is a code. And i see this often, that people don use a PC Speaker. It helped me alot during the years.
wow the disadvantages of the intel socket seems that the amd pis are always easyer to straiten and for socket replacement normal rework station not the best u need one that heats by iferred as the hot air ones tend to melt the socket when reworking
Being over 50, and having impailed a Ryzen on the zif arm, knowing the visual eye trouble I had just to bend back 2 pins into alignment the very thought of doing that many pins would have lead me straight to a new board. If the customer donates or otherwise leaves the damaged behind I would say go for it get the equipment.
I've never owned an intel mobo, does the razer blade fit in the socket while being flat?? I like to run a razer through all the rows at once while nudging to the side I need , able to straighten multiple pins at once (: great stuff graham 😎
Might have got away with some legs off components or something, to act as new pins, but good chance that's shorted something too is my bet, as some did look like they'd touched each other too, AMD and Intel sockets both have their issues, the amount of ryzen cpu's you see with broken or bent pins is unreal. I've fixed a few with missing pins by putting legs off components in the corresponding pin holes, all working fine like that, soldering the pins back on is just a no for me anyway, especially if you get ones on the inner and not the outer edge.
I admire your perseverance
I would not have bothered even trying on that many pins!!
It would have gone in the bin after first glance in my shop.
ua-cam.com/video/SzMHJXHO120/v-deo.html , i gues cheaper option then replacing mobo, or not,.. depending on work hour cost
@@marianmarkovic5881 It's not just about cost up front however. Sure, if you're a hobbyist and do it for fun then go ahead. But for those of us running a business, just buying a new board is a faster method and essentially risk-free. The customer covers the cost anyway, and you don't have the risk of the customer bringing it back a month later saying it's broken
TL;DR - Technically possible; practically unwise
@@thecomputersurgeon I get it completly,.. i just put it in since u were talking about how it is possible to replace it. also even by fixing pins,.. just completly test mobo completly, would be pain in butt. it is not for me thoo just upgrading BIOS give me chills. did u keep mobo thou? if u get equipment eventualy,...
@@marianmarkovic5881 Yeah totally :)
I ask the customer if they want it back or if they want me to deal with it
Goes on eBay if they leave with me
Some time ago I had a bent pin problem, admittedly a much less severe one, which I caused myself by poking the pin array with my finger to see what it feels like (...) when I took the mobo out before RMAing it due to an unconnected issue. I ended up stuck with the board because the manufacturer doesn't touch a board if even a single pin is bent, but the local retailer's support guy gave me a good tip - cut off the tip from a larger hypodermic needle and use that to guide the pins. That helped and the board works to this day (albeit still with the original problem).
That's an interesting idea - I've had people say they use the hollow point of a mechanical pencil before but I'd still consider that too large, although I haven't tried it myself.
I use a knife-blade as I can better see what I'm doing with it, but there's probably value in experimenting with other tools, in case something works better for you.
Always reference broken pins before spending any time straightening the pins. Saves PLENTY of time.
WOW got to love bent pins lol he's really gone to town on that one lol good attempt.
I couldn't believe he got it looking that nice. I am 99% sure it would've POSTed if there wasn't pins missing completely. Hats off for that!
I've actually seen worse. A customer bent a board and CPU, neither cheap, installing the CPU upside down.
Yes and far to much thermal Paste, defiantly a novice job and that is some badly bent pins, Thing with that is Warranty's don't cover bad build mistakes so new Motherboard it is. Great Vid :) AdamAntIT
Loved the prescient "I'm gonna have a quick nosey at this before I go any further, just in case I see anything horrifying and go 'there's your problem".
theres your problem, lady
Step 1 when this happens to you: don't panic lol. You will feel the blood draining from your face, this is normal. Keep calm and google! Thanks for another good troubleshooting vid
These videos are so informative and very well done, I always look forward to them, thank you for all your hard work in producing all the content.
And thats why i like Am4
because u bending pins on cpu insted pins inside socket ? ya good reason to like amd
You still need to me careful handling the AMD CPU pins, you could just as easily brick a £300 chip by mashing the pins. Both types require equal care.
Yea, the mobo is cheaper than the CPU. However, I'm firmly of the belief that it's significantly easier to break LGAs than it is PGAs. Tbh as bigjoeangel said, both require care.
@@Adamant_IT I agree 👍 thx for a great channel.
@@grindererrofficial3755 Thank you, I think its easier bending pins back on cpu, and when its get in the socket pins are 100 procent
accurate again.
he had a dance party on that socket
🤣🤣
My first PC was a gift that wouldn't POST from a friend as a throwaway. Lots of diagnosing turned into straighting a ton of pins on an Athlon II. Free PC with an 8800GT started me on this long path!
You should DEFINITELY get a lighted magnifier before anything else ! I can't imagine doing what you did with those pins without one - it's hell on your eyes ! Maybe also get a PCI diagnostics card to help point you in the general direction of where the fault is. In this case, I imagine it would return a CPU error of some kind (or a 00 code in the first instance when it wasn't doing anything at all).
I bet on bent pins the minute I knew it was an Intel system and noticed the quality of the build. You're a brave soul for making the effort.
Oh my god the second I saw those pins I screamed NO NOT THE PINS.
People need to understand that you have to be extremely careful with stuff like this, it's not like we're drywalling or something, be gentle. Understandable I suppose, most building projects in other domains are much more anti-fragile.
Regardless of the unsuccess good effort king.
Whenever I have to mess around in my PC or replace a component I get anxious, especially if it's a fiddly one like the power supply... which I will have to replace soon, ordered a Fractal Design ION+ 860P to replace my midrange CX 650 that has no place in a 3900X & 3070 build. But watching your videos helps ease that anxiety. Tells me "it's okay, don't stress it, you can't mess this up. Treat it as a fun hobby". Thank you and this channel for existing!
What a shame, the owner should of asked you to assemble the new parts.
A frend brought his machine around because it was not posting, i did just what you did, remove the brick of a display card and plug the montor into the internal one.
A corrupt display appeared, i jumped straight to the memory as onboard displays use the main ram.
Compressing one strip fixed the display, so out it came and another plopped in.
He was happy as larry :-D
A different frend brought his system round because it was acting really odd and the bios didn't always see the hard drive, i unplugged the drive and the whole power/sata pins connector came clean off the drive.
How the drive became damaged i don't know, i wasn't using any force, owner abuse i suspected.
Out came the 18 watt antex and after resoldering the connector back on the pcb it worked spot on.
I've never ever seen that happen before or since.
I have been watching all your no post episodes recently. So glad you have a new one.
same I love these :D It's like a thriller
I just love your mindset. Wonderful to hear how you think.
when I 1st started building machines, we would always build them in the box the board came in to see if they would at least post and only after then we would build them into a machine - but back then IRQ's and DMA channels had to be set manually
arh god bless the dam irq jumpers ..and all the extra add in cards you would need for mainboards
then you find the sound card irq options all clashed with something else
Got 2 boards from a friend with a shop no post. Both had bad chipset. One I could make post by replacing startup chip but some PCE slots and IGPU not working.
For the second I will try to replace the chipset chip but have to wait for China parts. Short on USB data lines directly wired into the chipset.
So my tip, if you can’t find the fault, measure for shorts on usb data line and shorts on the chipset directly.
Flash/reset bios.
Use a replacement PSU and remove everything from PSU and mother not necessarily for post.
Checking all voltages. CPU, RAM, Chipset.
Cheap pre heat station: T8280 Preheating Station
I use it myself. But check for ground/earth connection before using it....
10:34 Had an HP NetServer that needed the shunt moved into the short position and then the machine had to be powered up, then shut down and that cleared the BIOS. The shunt was then returned to the normal position. If I had been able to remove the battery on that one I would have. Removing the battery removes all doubt that the BIOS has been cleared.
in the first 3 seconds of the video i was thinking about bend pins in the socket. the most common faliure i noticed from my customers over the last 7 years
A valiant attempt to save the motherboard, if i had seen that it i'd have binned it immediately.
When I built my first pc over ten yrs ago i was waiting for the cpu to come in the mail and it finally arrived but in my eagerness to place it in the socket i bent some pins like a big idiot and some pins broke off but i did manage to save it. I took an old cpu that was no good to me anymore and broke some pins off and placed them in the socket holes of the MB and it worked like a charm, all you need is a little contact and it should work and it did work for many yrs to come
Dropped in? That's a slam dunk!!
Thanks for the video you had me intrigued to make sure my Ram in the right slots. I'm glad you point out the little things it certainly helps and your videos are excellent I find them so helpful.
I consider myself lucky enough to own a BGA rework station and the tools that go with it. If you aren't willing to put at least £1600 then don't bother. Cheap stations need better ceramic plates, they really suffer from uneven heating. If your going to get one then look at a Jovy RE-8500. Then get a BGA Squeegee. I highly recommend getting Insat super flux (eBay) & Amtech LF-4300 the two work best together.
As soon as I saw those pins I knew there was probably no chance of saving it. But still a good attempt and great work!
Great example of why even if PC building has gotten much easier, its still recommended that you do your research before building yourself. (And by proper research, I mean more then one video/article on the subject)
@@MrFlunkorg Thankfully my friend (who is hopeless with computers) is enlisting me to actually build his first PC.
You're a brave man; with that many bent pins most would simply replace the motherboard. Meantime, I'm happy to see you looking and sounding well.
Always nice to watch adamant work
I haven't watched the last few streams but I will watch this first "no POST" video in a while (now)!
Getting ready to build my first PC - good timing as a lesson learned on CPU care and general troubleshooting guidance. Great video as always!
These days, there are so many really good vids that newbie builders can watch on a whole host of subjects / topics. Key to CPU mounting is to DO it with the motherboard OUT of the case, plus I mount the cooler etc but that can be fixed later.. Intel have pins the CPU as you have seen, sits on. AMD have pins that go into the socket.. still have to take care AND ALL CPUs MUST be put into the socket THE right way ie usually with a little triangle pointing to one on on the socket or fits into the socket ONLY one way.. Stay safe and believe me with over 40 years of building pcs building one that works well, does what you want it to do, is a pleasure that can have you hooked.. Over the years from the late 70s YES I was working for a company that built pcs for 'Reuters' the international news agency. ' Soldering control boards to chemical cleaning to testing, building into case etc packaging and despatch - the LOT!! My wife was a COBOL, PYTHON and Basic IBM programmer /coder/ trainer for a major drinks company in the UK and I looked after her HOME computer / server systems with regular new builds/upgrades etc When she had time OFF which we made sure she did.. we spent it across the world AND at top hotels that were free to use by us.. as a bonus.. meals the lot.. Obviously I also looked after and built for other people across the decades and still DO.. 👀😀I also some years ago put together with my wife a computer RETAIL database system for a friend of mine who owned a CYCLE shop selling push bikes, electric bikes etc.. Computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse etc the works.. My wife did the training for using it (made VERY easy to use but VERY VERY accurate re stock control, ordering, sales (customer info +) receipts.. hire purchase agreements, fax and so much more.. He was so impressed that we had two trips to cycle wholesalers to buy stock with travel expenses, hotel and meals etc paid for by him.. By then we knew what to put into the database re relevant details for the operators AND for the indirect benefit of customers.. "I want a hybrid bike with 301 tubing.. 21inch frame, 10 gears or more.. Shimano shift etc etc.. " Owner could input percentages on price between wholesale and retail AND see profit margins/sales and more.. Later of course.. website with shopping cart and banking facilities.. ! NOW retired thank you to just the occasional builds/repairs for friends and family! 👀😀 Stay safe.
It looks like the owner dropped a bomb right in the LGA.
Thanks man for the Troubleshooting Video.
Damn. Just had top end PC in (Ryzen 7 5800x, 3070, 32GB 3600 RAM), guy did it all himself and all worked before putting into case. After gone into case it wouldn't start, not even a blink. After some messing around with PSU I found out that one of the lines plugged in was shorting it thus shutting it down instantly. Followed the wires and to my amazement I found out Floppy connector plugged into fan pins! It shouldn't fit but the guy pushed it in anyways. Took it out, PC started instantly. Lucky that the PSU was shutting down instantly so no damage was done to the components.
wow the number one GOAT of it on youtube
Another great video. Thank you.
Valiant effort my friend!!!
Bravo - good effort man.
"Let's drop a cpu in and try it" No, that's how we got into this mess to begin with!
LMAO
I salute you for even attempting to fix the pins
Great video. Nice to see unsuccessful repairs along with successful ones :)
My first build's 3 year anniversary this week. Took me 2 days because I was trying to be so careful with those damn tiny headers. I was shocked when it actually booted up and worked fine. Then I tried to overclock without doing my homework...black screen and off to the local shop (much like yours) we went....$50 dollar mistake but worth the education.
kudos for the beard closeups on the water pump!
Talking about plugging stuff into the wrong header. I remember many years ago a friend of mine had built a PC and had some problems with it. He came to me with it, and this is many years ago, so don't remember exactly what he said, but most probably that the front USB 2.0 ports was not working. So I plugged one of my USB sticks into them and got nothing. Then discovered my USB stick was no longer working on my PC either. Turns out he had plugged the USB 2.0 header into the firewire header on the motherboard. lol. So probably gave the wrong voltage/voltage on wrong pins. Actually killing stuff that got plugged into the front USB ports. I think he had killed some of his stuff aswell. Maybe a headset and/or joystick. Anyway, as payment for me fixing it, and that one of my USB sticks got broken I traded his i7 2600K for my i5 2500K CPU. Something that served me well for many years, as the i7 2600K aged really well. At one point he even wanted it back. I actually ran this i7 2600K system up until April of 2024. But I would say it was very viable for a gaming rig up until 2020. Legendary CPU.
"Golden Field" Wow and I just watched Dawid's video on some of there stuff before watching this. lol
Yep - Same here. I'm guessing the no POST is possibly related to the fact it's not built into a bright yellow case!!! LoL
@@TheImprobableIronman I agree. The bright yellow case is surely a necessary element for proper operation.
Ah lazy days on the farm amongst as 'Wordsworth would have proclaimed' A host of golden daffodils.. believe me, hundreds of em.. (sold to markets et in London) or buttercup strewn fields.. or yellow beautiful PRIMROSES... along the path to the beach.. AH youth is a wonderful memory indeed.. 'Cornwall' 😎💖👌
Lucky the Koala.
@@metrotechguru5863 And the stickers for max performance
Ouch... that's one painful socket. Good job on bending the pins back into place. Shame there were already some missing!
I had one slight bent pin on a motherboard I got off ebay and it stopped 2 of the ram slots from working. Bent it back worked as new.
Well that was an expensive lesson for the customer. Why they thought the pc would work with all those bent pins is beyond me, but there you go. Great insight as ever :)
Exactly what I am saying.
That looks like when he was building the computer, he left the motherboard on the bench with a pile of stuff on top and the socket without cover. A corner of something got in between the pins and moved every other way. Something just falling or resting on top of them would have bent them in the same direction. And more localized. (Been there, done that, to my shame)
Why would you leave your motherboard on a bench, leave the socket without a cover .. or put anything on top of it?
awesome job bending those pins back... well done. :D
At 16:15 Serious big oooof. Not just a little ooof but a huge mahooosive ooof.
great video i really enjoy watching your videos
I like how you said at the beginning you had a chat with him and he had his head on straight as far as the build...lolol This is one of the most common mistakes for inexperienced users who know JUST enough to be dangerous...lol Oh well, keeps the rest of us employed!! ;)
I really appreciate this kind of trouble shooting videos
thank you for the video
Experience drives troubleshooting styles. New to technology, systematic step by step is your style. Know a little, maybe system or modular divide and conquer troubleshooting works for you. My favorite, using most experience, is intrinsic. Intrinsic examines the areas of greatest faults and isolates them. This style saves lots of time. No style is wrong, just say'in.
Likely would've been cheaper for the customer to buy a pre-built. New mobo + labor is going to increase the overall cost substantially. Fantastic troubleshooting though; the reason why I subscribed.
Oh what a sinking feeling I had on my first no post
Geez I had no idea a full socket replacement was doable at a PC shop level. Would love to see that content on your channel at some point should you decide to invest in the necessary equipment. That would be so badass!
Definitely! That would be awesome to see him attempt at least.
You can see the full process enacted on some of the game boxes such as Xbox, Nintendo, PS4 etc where they heat and remove certain micro chips.. CPU etc Its intensive and compelling to watch 👀😀 Stay safe!
Thank you M.r
I thought you had it for a moment. Nice work.
wow, that’s a good pin straightening job. I’ve hd this before and gave up. Even with a magnifying lens, my eyesight wasn’t good enough.
Holy Cow! those pins, I find that most of the time its usually bent pins from an inexperienced builder rather than faulty hardware but seeing that was brutal and those LGA pins are trickier than ryzen pins
Isn't your billable rate on time to fix the pins more than a new board?
I'd love to know the physics involved with how the pins twisted this much.
AFTER STRAIGHTENING THE PINS I USE A TOOTH BRUSH WITH ISOPROPYL ALCHOHOL AND GENT RUN THE BRUSH THE WAY PINS ARE POINTING SAVED ALOT OF LGA BOARDS
Had a horrible feeling it would be cpu/bent pins related just from that 4 pin fan going where it shouldnt! Nice work
Im bit baffled, how did they manage to damage all those pin's ?? Those motherboard + CPU have notches that guide you in correct direction so it almost or impossible to install CPU wrong? How those got bend ?
Just learned something new about the intel cpu F and KF models.
14:40 don’t mind me leaving a bookmark for that glorious facial expression
So it is indeed Hello InterWebs at the beginning haha! Also I don’t think i would ever attempt replacing a socket, but would be interested to see Graham do it
A valiant effort!
Do you think you could get the socket up to reflow temperature with the heater you have by moving it around a lot and pulling the socket up by the pins? Maybe you could get it loose on one side, then pry it up and do the other side. Unless the customer wants to wait until you have the right equipment you have nothing to lose.
It can be done, but I think it requires a fair bit of prep and a pre-heater. I've got some parts on the shelf to do a practise run on an old AM3 motherboard, but it's quite far down my list of stuff to do at the moment.
Always start with the diagnostic speaker & see what is says, if anything. If you remove RAM and the speaker makes zero noise, then move to mobo and cpu.
Ouch... poor guy.. nice video!
It takes a special brand of bufffonery to plug a PWM fan in to the completely wrong socket. To be fair, the screen printing is misleading but he should have taken more time and consulted the motherboard manual carefully. One thing I did notice on a build I did a year ago on a Gigabyte board was just how much more legible and clear the screen printing was compared to the Asus boards I normally use.
You get a like for attempting to use the word buffoonery, but spelling it wrong, like a buffoon!
@@bigjoeangel Old age, failing eyesight and failing to spot too may "fff's" . What can I say? How about "Doh!" Maybe YouTubing with lack of sleep not a good idea.... (sleep apnoea) so in future more care should be taken over proof reading. But, apart from that did you agree with my comments?
@@iansyme3535 I can sympathise with you're age related ailments. I do generally agree that the person who built this PC was indeed a careless buffoon who didn't read the manual properly. As far as the silk-screen text on Asus versus Gigabyte boards, I've had both brands and had no problems with legibility. I think it may vary on a board to board basis, depending on the colour of the PCB used and various fancy styling elements employed, such as matt black PCB with gloss black text and RGB lighting, etc.
@@bigjoeangel the Gigabyte board which I thought was well marked up was as cheap as chips for a present of a build to a neighbours son coupled with a cheap dual core intel processor. It struck me immediately how well marked it was but as you say, may be more due to the extra finishing and varnishing up etc on a more elite motherboard. You kind of expect an expensive motherboard to do well in this department but does not seem to be the case!
@@iansyme3535 To be honest I don't think it matters how legible the text was, buffoons gonna deal in buffoonery! :)
Wonder if an item of clothing did the damage to the socket. Having watched a video from another channel it looks like the fibers can easily get hooked onto the pins almost like velcro.
Wow the pins. I have never seen bent pins, just heard about them. out of tens of computers i have assembled for friends or they had asselebled, nobody did that. Friend though got an amd with bent leg once.. But it was a long time ago, when we were in school, (amd k7 maybe) and the leg was easy to bend back did not break it. Should have returned it to the shop though, they obviously gave him dropped cpu :D
Fair play dude, really good effort.
You know it's serious when he went "Holy shi-"
Hey can you tell me where can i find one of those power screwdriver, I need one. Thx
Great video brother
Adam could you use the heat sink to apply more pressure on pins for better connection ? Worth a try no ?
Great - now you've terrified me for my next build.
Hell of an effort! Looks like the pins were hit with a hammer though...or worse. Yikes!
+1 for removal of CMOS Batt to do a proper clear of the BIOS for troubleshooting.
What's the best white case to get right now? I got new insides with ARGB and now I want something cool for the outside. 5600X & 3070 build.
Now I'm curious how much the board heater and hot air socket kit cost. You just got a much nicer hot air station, and I'm sure you have a fair number of dead mobos you could practice socket replacement on. I'd love to see you attempt it.
Why did they shift the pins from the CPU to the socket?
Was it to make a margin on 1/500 people who drop something on it during the build.
Because production cost on the CPU, & the problems don't come out of Intel's margin. Plus if you have to replace one or the other for bent pins, I'll take replacing motherboard, it's cheaper. As for who makes money off such accidents, that changed from Intel to motherboard manufacturer with the change.
@@beardyface8492 Fair point. I'm guessing miniturisation caused the pin design change. Then they shifted the pins to the socket for the reasons you outline.
i'm the only one in my town that takes in custom/prebuilt gaming computers for repairs. i don't own a shop i do things in my house. and theres 2 other actual repair shops here in town and they are both afraid to touch mid to high end machines. so they tell their customers to bring it to me. nothing wrong with that and it's so frequent now that i only fixed gaming and workstation computers. i've seen a lot of beginner mistakes. after i fix the computers and i know its a custom rig. i educate the customers when they come to pick up their system. so they don't make the same mistake and do it properly the next time they pick at their machine or build a new one
I could understand a bit of damage in some pins next to each other... but how the heck do you do that? 🤦♂️
10:40: Regarding CMOS reset: It is my understanding (as a total noob) that the problem with just taking out the battery is that there is capacitance in the memory cells. DRAM is basically just a ton of mosfets, and the fact that they can hold a charge in the gate (which can then be detected via conductivity from source to drain) is the very reason they are being used as memory cells. Yes, without power, that charge will eventually dissipate (because of that pesky entropy thing) and reset everything. That's why you have to refresh DRAM constantly. Unfortunately, there's really no guarantee for when that'll happen. If you only take out the battery, most of the time, the DRAM will probably lose its data pretty quickly. But Murphy's Law says it won't the moment you actually rely on it. On the other hand, if you use the Clear CMOS pin (or just short the battery terminals after taking the cell out, which does the same thing), you're providing a path to ground for the charge, causing it to drain away almost immediately (let's say less than 10s). To me, that seems like the more reliable method. Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood something.
you can do it without expensive equipment , just head it up to plastic melt point aroud 260 degres and remove it in pices, then removing pins will be easy(you also can melt it by acetone if abs).
To re solder you use solder paste and frame to put it on pads then put new socked on it heat it up to 160-180 degres from botom of board(solder paste has very low meting point). The port for this board cost around 10usd. port will align it self on pads.
Interesting. Stencil needed for the solder paste?
@@Adamant_IT probly not there will still be leftover solder on pads, in factory they use solder paste to solder all componets to boards. they put solder paste, then components and it go thru furnance at 160-180 degres(you have one chance when sodering with it next time meting point will be in range of normal solder.
just tried to remove lga1151 and its coming off very easy with hot air. it
take 1 min to remove it but you shuld go slower to not lose pads. with litle trening it will be easy.
people should start using the PC Speaker, cause it gives most of the time an error beep wich is a code. And i see this often, that people don use a PC Speaker. It helped me alot during the years.
I do still have these plugged in and installed.
But for whatever reason it's somewhat louder than my older system, so I turned it off
wow the disadvantages of the intel socket seems that the amd pis are always easyer to straiten and for socket replacement normal rework station not the best u need one that heats by iferred as the hot air ones tend to melt the socket when reworking
id rather fix pins on Ryzens. my 3900X had 4 bent pins I easily fixed. this just looks like hell
Being over 50, and having impailed a Ryzen on the zif arm, knowing the visual eye trouble I had just to bend back 2 pins into alignment the very thought of doing that many pins would have lead me straight to a new board. If the customer donates or otherwise leaves the damaged behind I would say go for it get the equipment.
I know it's a dumb question but why can't it be soldered jumper wires in the missing pins? Also why manufacturers make the sockets so unrepairable?
I've never owned an intel mobo, does the razer blade fit in the socket while being flat?? I like to run a razer through all the rows at once while nudging to the side I need , able to straighten multiple pins at once (:
great stuff graham 😎
could not be possible to just insert some 2-3 missing pins somehow ? or check continuity from that socket to other nearest components ?
Might have got away with some legs off components or something, to act as new pins, but good chance that's shorted something too is my bet, as some did look like they'd touched each other too, AMD and Intel sockets both have their issues, the amount of ryzen cpu's you see with broken or bent pins is unreal. I've fixed a few with missing pins by putting legs off components in the corresponding pin holes, all working fine like that, soldering the pins back on is just a no for me anyway, especially if you get ones on the inner and not the outer edge.
I would think that socket replacement would mostly only be worth the trouble on items in the server class price range..... or irreplaceable
The invention of LGA was a travesty and good work on those pins even if it still didn't fully work in the end.