FYI - So UA-cam in its infinite wisdom has picked up this video to showcase my channel... This isn't one of my good videos. It was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening. Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes. Also the customer did swap out to dual PCI-E power cables afterwards - so rest easy on that.
I wouldn't throw it out - It did show a logical troubleshooting scenario, and the easy trap that newbies can fall into. It reinforces the lesson to check ALL connections, at both sides of a cable, before condemning a card.
Tell me about it... this isn't exactly one of my favourite videos either, it was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening. Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes.
@@Adamant_IT you also should never reuse a bad cable(i understand it may still work fine but with out replacing the pins you will never know for sure), especially one that has doubled ends on it like this one does. that gpu should have 2 dedicated cabled from the psu to it.
The melting around the power supply pins at 32:20 is similar to the recent (late 2022) spate of issues regarding the PCIE 12VHPWR connector used with Nvidia RTX 40 series cards. In both cases the melting is caused by incomplete insertion of the power connection.
Coincidentally, I did my first PC build about two weeks ago, with exactly that Corsair case and PSU. I commited no rookie mistakes because of this channel, my main source of research to finally got where I am today, typing from my new PC. Thanks Graham!
Also because it was a ramble video I didn't bother with a thumbnail :P However I did give DaVinci Resolve a go. The shortcut keys for it are frustrating, it's really really designed to be used with the Black Magic editing desk stuff. Also still no GPU accelerated exporting, which is really what I'm looking for.
Have you tried resolve again? GPU acceleration is now supported and export speeds are, in my opinion, rapid. It is designed with the BM desk and wheels but everything can be done with m&k (again imo) and shortcuts now have a few preset options, like after effects mode and vegas mode where common shortcuts are the same as they are in those programs.
God damn, I kept thinking "hey this bloke looks really familiar" then realised you used to go into Netplay when my daughter Siana was working there :) I'm the nutter bloke with the three wheel van and still often messing around with PC's. I seem to remember you being out with Tom and his brothers one night and we had a right ol' chat about PC's.
imagine being recommended this video and not finding it on your own by searchin' up computer fixing stuff. Nice channel, my dude! Informative so far, and will definitely be helpful.
Saw your video on diagnosing shorts and then scrolled through your videos to see if I could find a repair that’s related to my issue and voila! This Xmas video is exactly what I’m going through. My 2080 ti fan spins at 100% and won’t post. Going to replicate exactly what you did here to rule issues with the power supply out. I had switched my card from PCIe slot 1 to 2 and it temporarily fixed my issue and now my card won’t post when starting it up cold. So I took the card apart and the original thermal paste application was poor so I reapplied paste. It worked temporarily when I booted it up but the next day it didn’t post until I let it run for a few hours and restarted it It’s currently working now but my computer won’t sleep automatically and it just stays on. I know as soon as I turn it off it won’t post. So thank you for your videos, tutorials, real world examples and I’ll make sure to spread the word.
I used to work for the Service Dept at Fry's Electronics (till they went out of business). A lot of the troubleshooting techniques you displayed here are excellent! I am very impressed. A great show of skill and experience!
@RJ Games Productions Quarterbacks cannot function unless the team of arm-chair quarterbacks tell him what to do after the fact when it can do no good.
Great video and yes this is more common than ppl realize. I had 2 come in in less than 3 weeks that had loose cables arcing and melting connectors, 1 was even on the cpu power connector. Ppl get lucky and all they needed was new cables. As a result of issues way back in the 90's the PSU is the first thing I inspect thoroughly and no not with a voltage meter lol.
Always fun to sit and guess along... Once it posted on the other system I thought "hmm PSU-cables perhaps since the other card just used one 8-pin?". Such a great feeling when you're correct :) Great and fun videos Adamant! Consider me a subscriber
I agree with you on RGB... I think it's a great way to add some customization to each and every build. If you don't want it, turn it off. If you want bright and loud, turn it up. Good job on the power supply cables though, I know a lot of techs that would probably skip that step and recommend a new graphics card off the bat. Just be careful with that coffee around an open and powered system though. :) *Edit* Also - one of my new favorite channels, from a tech in the US. Keep up the content.
Yeah my first case/RGB ecosystem was Deepcool Captain RGB Pro v2 240mm Deepcool CF120 aRGB fans x 6 in a Deepcool Matrexx70aRGB, with Vengeance LED ddr4, but I recently switched to Corsair Crystal 680x and Corsair H100i RGB Pro XT 240mm with x8 QL120 fans and put Vengeance RGB Pro in my rig instead, because I just wanted unlimited options really lol.
I was surprised how many mid to high end cases don't have 5.25" drives. I know I am in the minority here, but I absolutely still use optical media for both read and write (archive quality blue ray backups should be more common). I ended up going with a fractal define r5 even though it is old
I use optical drives all the time. And most of the usb drives don’t last. I will always use a case with a bay even if I didn’t use it all the time. More convenient that way
On my last build It was 3 years before I ever needed to use the DVD drive. thought it was dead when I finally needed to use it. Turned out I never actually connected it when I built the system, lol.
it seems odd how much space cases have in the region that was normally used for that. Steps backwards. Getting rid of the mounting options should mean getting rid of the dead space
To be fair my case I recently built in, a Phanteks p500a doesn’t have an HDD led. I miss it, as it’s a feature that I’ve remembered for 20+ years but I haven’t necessarily needed it
I'm tempted to do a RGB build, never did one before. I was able to spot that before you zoomed in. I always connect the cables to the power supply before putting it in the case.
And here I thought I know hardware... Well not as well as a guy that could pass for an electrical engineer. I'm super surprised that card still worked. And that the PSU didn't get damaged. Wow. A testament to why you buy good quality parts while some POS PSU can just blow out even with normal use that Corsair took a beating and still works fine once you cleaned up the arc. Pretty amazing. Great vid.
23:13 If you mount the radiator with the tubes down it may not look as nice, but it will reduce/prevent "splashing" sound and increase the lifespan of the pump. Because the way you are mounting it, air will collect at the top where the pump is and it might not get as lubricated/cooled as it should. That is, if that radiator has a pump at the input/output.
Tbh, I hadn't owned a pc in 15 years, since probably '03 or so, and built my first last year... I loved the whole process of it, was really quite enjoyable. The moment the card didnt light up though, and you putting in the RX 570 worked, it immediately made me think about the secondary 8 pin connector, and then that is actually the problem, I just figured it had been unplugged but that looked so much more serious lol.
Power supply issue, you just said it as I typed it. Loose connection or not enough real power going to it. Old video but, this is rather fun. I would put a volt meter in the + and - of "My" video power plug 8-pins to see the voltage and see what is actually going on. Customer's I'd be extremely careful and know what I'm doing (make sure the prongs can't touch or create other issues). My stuff is junk compared to a customer rig (no matter if it's cheaper quality or not, I don't want to pay for un-needed repairs. But BINGO you found the problem I bet. Ouch FORCED Entry, and bet it's zapped many times. Ouch! Power supply side look okay? I have to say, I really didn't expect to see that result for that issue. Expected the card to have some problem, but trying a different power supply would have led to seeing the problem (hopefully). Good call on 1st time build/loose plug @ power supply.
One thing I'd like to point out, you only used one cable to the GPU, with the two plugs on it. I'm not a fan of the small pigtails like that, as it puts all the current for the GPU onto one connector at the PSU side. It's not spreading the load, increasing the current on the pins at the PSU side, and therefore the heating. On high power cards (>200W) I would always use two separate cables from the PSU to the GPU, as it lowers the current on each pin on the PSU, provide more conductors up to the GPU, and generally lower any voltage drop to the GPU (And heating of the cables and pins). Not saying it can't be done the way you have it, especially if you are in a bind, but if you have the option, I'd try and use individual cables between the PSU and each GPU power connector. The pins are technically rated at 13A, if they are to Molex Mini-Fit Jr. specs, but then if you have a bad connection, or bad seating like in this case, that's gonna drastically reduce the current carrying capacity, and lead to excessive heating, as you seen here. Note to newbies - make sure your connectors are FULLY seated in the socket, or things start melting.
@Xcepter that depends on the PSU. With a 650W-750W you definitely need to split the load between the rails. With a 1200W I haven't had issues at any point running the Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 powered by a single cable - undervolted/OCd. You are all correct however that it is better practise to split the power load with 2 cables, both for the PSU strain and GPU performance.
But you guys are missing the poin that the PCIe power might be split on 2 different rails and might have a small voltage difference that would stress the VRMs. Both cases have negatives.
@@mihailstanev8867 The voltage differences produced are usually negligible and the stress on the VRMs is hardly noteworthy. If you connect both PCIe cables to the same rail you are more likely to notice performance decrease / throttling due to the OCP rather than the GPU VRM. If you connect them to PCIe slots on separate rails you are easing the load on the PSU and literally just letting the VRM do the job it's supposed to do, and that's regulate the voltage. Considering the cooling of the VRM is adequate, which manufacturers make sure that it is, it is not a point to concern yourself with.
... its had a melted PCI-e port by the PSU that didn't fit in properly either way... he cleaned it up enough for a connection between the GPU and the PSU which got the video card working again... Very well done! Though, since this video was made about a year ago, I hope the customer who owns this PC got a new PCI-e cable replacements.
Some thoughts, if the power supply is modular or semi-modular, this you should check both sides of the cable early in the process, maybe save some time.
As long as the top of the radiator is higher than the pump/CPU block, it'll be fine. However, hoses down may silence a gurgling cooler. The main issue that Gamer's Nexus where trying to warn people about was when the pump is the highest point in the system - that's when airtrap becomes an issue.
Late to the party on this video (3 yrs). Killing the day watching videos, and was intrigued by your comments on the case...what are YOU using for gear these days? Could you do an "I use/ recommend/ like/ dislike" video?? Cheers!
I once had a properly plugged in SATA power cable develop an intermittent connection after 2+ years which caused what appeared to be a motherboard malfunction. A wee sprit of good electrical contact cleaner (that's safe for plastics and formulated with a tiny amount of lubricant and a water displacement) solved the issue. I've found that said CC comes in especially handy when trouble-shooting oxidized old components and rigs.
I worked in a computer store many years ago and have seen a couple of not-so-great customer builds. One in particular, they didn't use the MB spaces, so they screwed the MB directly to the case. Nothing shorted though iirc
I had a Seasonic PSU cook the end of a pcie plug once, I think it had to of been the pins in the plug wasn't crimped on the wire in my case, I put a new end on the wire and salvaged 8 pin EVGA modular port off a junk PSU that fit perfect, just had to get the right pinout, Its still working 4 years later powering a 9700k and gtx1660.
I’m currently using this case and for some reason fresh out of the box, the cut out for the IO part of the mother board of the case is bent so i had to just go with it
I'm binging your old videos and it's been very interesting. You provide great service and I wish I had someone like you here locally. Greetings from the U.S.
ive got 10 fans, 3 controller hubs bc my mb is 12v rgb and my hubs needed to be 12v to 5v converted, all have a fan wire and rgb wire...its dam sure ALOT of work. even in a saberay adv case..... also, use both pci connectors from the box hooking them both up to the powersupply will half the load and not create ripple as much... suggestion anyhow...
I do love my customer built pc repairs, very interesting to see how different folks think when building these computers. Sadly I have seen my share of pcs brought in that were completely nuked (Fried) from poor connection arcing or extra standoffs left behind the MB during their install. I've seen a lot in my repair years, some funny others, not so much ;)
a hard drive LED is most important! I had a bad sata cable for a SDD drive, and the hard drive LED kept going on full tilt which indicated to me that there was an issue with one of the 2 drives, -- after trying different sockets on the main board, the issue continued. Finally, once I replaced the cable on one of the drives, I no longer had a stuck drive (also had long boot times and the LED light went full tilt even in BIOS). Yes you want a HDD/SDD LED light. It is a good indicator if you are booting as well
Yea. Indicator LEDs are a dying breed, especially on laptops. They're a lot like extra ports, people never use them - but when you need them, you _need_ them.
Just for anyone whos wondering this is my PC and i brought it in to Graham. It is my first time build and know i made mistakes. The cable into the PSU seemed like it had clipped in but after having problems i knew it needed to be fixed by a professional.
I could be wrong, but... If I remember correctly my RM850x (a black one) is NOT compatible with Type3 Corsair cables but only Type4. I know I'm late to the party... But you can tell your customer to check that out.
Discovered this as UA-cam subscribed, it's unfortunate that that small error of not making sure everything is fully pushed in. But any first time builder can't make mistakes I did with my very first ever Athlon Barton 2500+ back in 2000. I didn't connect the power supply to the cable that goes to the wall lol thought I'd instantly bricked my system. But I'd of contacted the customer and have told him the error and he'd have to buy a new PSU
I didn't expect that this random video could raise me so many questions about my build. I had gpu stability problems (rx 5700xt LOL) and I solved it by using instead of the standard split 8 pin + 8 pin cable, 2 separate cables coming from the psu 12v rail. Thing is, my PSU is an RM 750i, basically the same one. According to msi afterburner's graphs, I wasn't getting enough power before, but if that card can be driven by a single cable, why can't mine? It is just using 290W at peak,and 62 amps should be more than enough for my gpu. Is my psu crippled or what? 🤔
I second JP's question... You can top mount a rad with this case with certain mobo and RAM combinations. Likewise if the GPU is 280 or less you can front-mount the rad.
I have 3 1080 Ti cards of this Asus variety, and only one of them has had this 3x-fan-at-100%-speed issue, and it only occurs after the card hit around over 55~60°C. Which likely means this is an issue with the card's BIOS or with it's software-set thermal curve.
coming at this from a general electronics background, once a high current connector is arc/heat damaged it MUST be replaced before further use. even if the quick fix works that connection will now be high resistance, that means heat, that means potential for more damage in the future and maybe worse. at the very least I would have checked the temperature of that connector after the graphics test to see if its heating up when the card draws current.
First thing i saw here is actually the extension cables. I never really liked using mod cable at all if its just for aesthetics. I rather have it directly connected instead of extension even if its a non-braided ketchup and mustard case
Hi like your content watched a cpl vids in the past and like 5 in a row this evening. Just one question though for now. did putting up thumbnails improve your click through rate?
I don't do a lot of digging in my analytics, but I think doing thumbnails is helping out these days. The regular subscribers mostly don't care, but a decent thumbnail and catchy title very much helps with discovery, which is what leads to growth, and staves off stagnation.
I couldn't get into it. Shortcut keys were annoying, inability to easily zoom in and out of the timeline, etc etc. I found it very inaccessible. It didn't seem any faster to use and export than Vegas 14 either. I'm sure it makes more sense with black magic hardware, or for someone more experienced with video editing, but yea, it didn't click with me.
@@Adamant_IT I was also using Vegas previously for my own channel but hated parts of it. Resolve has much better pop-up sliders etc etc, and also the video project management. PS. Just sub'd, really like your channel. Glad to see a wee biz doing well.
I take it the plug was like you say either arcing or it was that the other pins wern't connected in and that resulted in tons of current going through a single pin and therefore lots of heat. although the arching would explain why the LED's/power was flicking like mad due to voltage spikes.
Praise the Algorithmic Gods. didn't even tell me why it recommended your channel but i see a Tokyo Ghoul Unravel video in the suggested after this.. you know i'm watching that %.% yuss
I wonder if the power supply is the problem the gtx1080 may draw more power then your other video card normal around 650 watt up I would gone with a 850 watt psu.
I don’t need to watch these videos, as I have over 20 years experience doing this professionally but I love to listen to you while I work, my coworkers don’t talk much and rarely about IT work Something about a British accent really screams “IT” and I have no idea why!
1. Try different screwdrivers to see if any others can get purchase, no two screwdrivers are the same. Two different brands of P0 will often be slightly different. 2. Take the mobo out of the case and put it down on a sheet of cardboard so you can properly press down on the screwdriver as you turn it. Lots of pressure, high torque low speed, be careful. 3. If it's completely mullered, I mask of the area with paper towels and use a dremmel to cut a slot across the screw, and then take it out with a large slotted screw driver. This is risky if you're not used to a dremmel, but always works if you're handy with one.
nice vid my friend! how many times I've got rekt cuz of these errors from first time rookies! :D this was a good one to point out the most common errors! :) btw the system instability post messege is 99% power deliveri issue error! ;) keep up! :) WoW :O thy God I have a 980Ti! :'D scores 19557pts. (Gigabyte Extreme gaming)
I know an old Video but those Fans are Corsair SP120 RGB Pro Fans.... 3 Pin. The Elite are 4 Pin. I use the Power LED as a HD LED if there isn't one present.
when i saw the size of your coffee i was like dude what time it should be? then you said it was 2 am and i was like how this guy could sleep after that 500ml of coffee hahahahah. btw i love your videos, i am always watching
I just found this channel today and I cannot stop watching his videos, very educational.
Same
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Same. Gotta be honest though, first seeing this guy I thought he looked a bit funny with that scraggly goatee but he’s good at what he does.
We’ve all been there; now we stay for the content :P
i watch it daily like it was netflix hahahaha
FYI - So UA-cam in its infinite wisdom has picked up this video to showcase my channel... This isn't one of my good videos. It was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening.
Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes. Also the customer did swap out to dual PCI-E power cables afterwards - so rest easy on that.
I wouldn't throw it out - It did show a logical troubleshooting scenario, and the easy trap that newbies can fall into. It reinforces the lesson to check ALL connections, at both sides of a cable, before condemning a card.
You could make it 2min with rants and all...
big oof
No worries m8... It made me subscribe to your channel (for what it's worth).
Adamant IT The free version of DaVinci Resolve limits gpu usage to 50% maximum. The Studio version allows full utilization.
YT is suddenly recommending this to everyone lol.
Tell me about it... this isn't exactly one of my favourite videos either, it was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening.
Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes.
@@Adamant_IT you also should never reuse a bad cable(i understand it may still work fine but with out replacing the pins you will never know for sure), especially one that has doubled ends on it like this one does. that gpu should have 2 dedicated cabled from the psu to it.
yes but why ;(
No complaints from me.
@@ramair325 I can easily over heat a double end cable and crash my rx vega 56.
The melting around the power supply pins at 32:20 is similar to the recent (late 2022) spate of issues regarding the PCIE 12VHPWR connector used with Nvidia RTX 40 series cards. In both cases the melting is caused by incomplete insertion of the power connection.
Coincidentally, I did my first PC build about two weeks ago, with exactly that Corsair case and PSU. I commited no rookie mistakes because of this channel, my main source of research to finally got where I am today, typing from my new PC. Thanks Graham!
I build and fix computers myself but love this channel it is so honest and genuine.
Also because it was a ramble video I didn't bother with a thumbnail :P
However I did give DaVinci Resolve a go. The shortcut keys for it are frustrating, it's really really designed to be used with the Black Magic editing desk stuff. Also still no GPU accelerated exporting, which is really what I'm looking for.
Have you tried resolve again? GPU acceleration is now supported and export speeds are, in my opinion, rapid. It is designed with the BM desk and wheels but everything can be done with m&k (again imo) and shortcuts now have a few preset options, like after effects mode and vegas mode where common shortcuts are the same as they are in those programs.
God damn, I kept thinking "hey this bloke looks really familiar" then realised you used to go into Netplay when my daughter Siana was working there :) I'm the nutter bloke with the three wheel van and still often messing around with PC's. I seem to remember you being out with Tom and his brothers one night and we had a right ol' chat about PC's.
Bri’ish ass comment
imagine being recommended this video and not finding it on your own by searchin' up computer fixing stuff. Nice channel, my dude! Informative so far, and will definitely be helpful.
Saw your video on diagnosing shorts and then scrolled through your videos to see if I could find a repair that’s related to my issue and voila! This Xmas video is exactly what I’m going through.
My 2080 ti fan spins at 100% and won’t post. Going to replicate exactly what you did here to rule issues with the power supply out.
I had switched my card from PCIe slot 1 to 2 and it temporarily fixed my issue and now my card won’t post when starting it up cold.
So I took the card apart and the original thermal paste application was poor so I reapplied paste. It worked temporarily when I booted it up but the next day it didn’t post until I let it run for a few hours and restarted it
It’s currently working now but my computer won’t sleep automatically and it just stays on. I know as soon as I turn it off it won’t post. So thank you for your videos, tutorials, real world examples and I’ll make sure to spread the word.
I used to work for the Service Dept at Fry's Electronics (till they went out of business). A lot of the troubleshooting techniques you displayed here are excellent! I am very impressed. A great show of skill and experience!
Just subscribed..... love your straight forward approach and calm demeanor, makes viewing your videos very enjoyable.....thx (a brit in california)
Please keep going making these videos, it makes me to learn a lot of stuffs even if i didn't build any PC's. Awesome video.
13:10 "I'm gonna power this on and that should be the end of the video."
Morgan Freeman Voiceover: "It was not the end of the video."
18:05 I always feel a little anxiety when people put their non-covered drinks next to their open computers :-(
And more worried when it's not your computer, and it's from a costumer. This guy should work for Verge
All i keep thinking is static and that jumper, i wouldn't be happy seeing a tech touching my computer like this :s
@@LtdResources This isn't the 90's. ESD doesn't happen that frequently as it used to ;)
@RJ Games Productions Quarterbacks cannot function unless the team of arm-chair quarterbacks tell him what to do after the fact when it can do no good.
@@dakoderii4221 funny, I like your comment
Great video and yes this is more common than ppl realize. I had 2 come in in less than 3 weeks that had loose cables arcing and melting connectors, 1 was even on the cpu power connector. Ppl get lucky and all they needed was new cables. As a result of issues way back in the 90's the PSU is the first thing I inspect thoroughly and no not with a voltage meter lol.
Always fun to sit and guess along... Once it posted on the other system I thought "hmm PSU-cables perhaps since the other card just used one 8-pin?". Such a great feeling when you're correct :) Great and fun videos Adamant! Consider me a subscriber
I agree with you on RGB... I think it's a great way to add some customization to each and every build. If you don't want it, turn it off. If you want bright and loud, turn it up. Good job on the power supply cables though, I know a lot of techs that would probably skip that step and recommend a new graphics card off the bat. Just be careful with that coffee around an open and powered system though. :) *Edit* Also - one of my new favorite channels, from a tech in the US. Keep up the content.
Yeah my first case/RGB ecosystem was Deepcool Captain RGB Pro v2 240mm Deepcool CF120 aRGB fans x 6 in a Deepcool Matrexx70aRGB, with Vengeance LED ddr4, but I recently switched to Corsair Crystal 680x and Corsair H100i RGB Pro XT 240mm with x8 QL120 fans and put Vengeance RGB Pro in my rig instead, because I just wanted unlimited options really lol.
have not worked with this corsair case but hard to beat the practicality of the nzxt 500 series. Just an absolute joy to work with.
I love your humility. Good stuff.
I was surprised how many mid to high end cases don't have 5.25" drives. I know I am in the minority here, but I absolutely still use optical media for both read and write (archive quality blue ray backups should be more common). I ended up going with a fractal define r5 even though it is old
I just switched over to nvme. And it's really a giant performance difference between HDDs and those SSDs.
I use optical drives all the time. And most of the usb drives don’t last. I will always use a case with a bay even if I didn’t use it all the time. More convenient that way
On my last build It was 3 years before I ever needed to use the DVD drive. thought it was dead when I finally needed to use it. Turned out I never actually connected it when I built the system, lol.
it seems odd how much space cases have in the region that was normally used for that. Steps backwards. Getting rid of the mounting options should mean getting rid of the dead space
@@omegaPhix op was talking about odds not hdds
We need HDD LED's how do we know if anything is still happening when Windows 10 takes forever to load after an update.
To be fair my case I recently built in, a Phanteks p500a doesn’t have an HDD led. I miss it, as it’s a feature that I’ve remembered for 20+ years but I haven’t necessarily needed it
I never tire of your content mate!!!
I'm tempted to do a RGB build, never did one before. I was able to spot that before you zoomed in. I always connect the cables to the power supply before putting it in the case.
Really enjoy listening to you waffle on about computers
And here I thought I know hardware... Well not as well as a guy that could pass for an electrical engineer. I'm super surprised that card still worked. And that the PSU didn't get damaged. Wow. A testament to why you buy good quality parts while some POS PSU can just blow out even with normal use that Corsair took a beating and still works fine once you cleaned up the arc. Pretty amazing. Great vid.
I finally guessed one right! Noticed the RGB flashing about 10 seconds before you did.. thought it was a reflection from the fans at first.
23:13 If you mount the radiator with the tubes down it may not look as nice, but it will reduce/prevent "splashing" sound and increase the lifespan of the pump. Because the way you are mounting it, air will collect at the top where the pump is and it might not get as lubricated/cooled as it should. That is, if that radiator has a pump at the input/output.
Tbh, I hadn't owned a pc in 15 years, since probably '03 or so, and built my first last year... I loved the whole process of it, was really quite enjoyable. The moment the card didnt light up though, and you putting in the RX 570 worked, it immediately made me think about the secondary 8 pin connector, and then that is actually the problem, I just figured it had been unplugged but that looked so much more serious lol.
I approve of your giant ass 980, you have to status signal someway right
Merry (late) Christmas and happy new year Adamant IT
Always enjoy your videos.
Wishing you a wonderful 2020
excellent channel one of my favorite relating to computer tech
Power supply issue, you just said it as I typed it. Loose connection or not enough real power going to it. Old video but, this is rather fun. I would put a volt meter in the + and - of "My" video power plug 8-pins to see the voltage and see what is actually going on. Customer's I'd be extremely careful and know what I'm doing (make sure the prongs can't touch or create other issues). My stuff is junk compared to a customer rig (no matter if it's cheaper quality or not, I don't want to pay for un-needed repairs. But BINGO you found the problem I bet. Ouch FORCED Entry, and bet it's zapped many times. Ouch! Power supply side look okay? I have to say, I really didn't expect to see that result for that issue. Expected the card to have some problem, but trying a different power supply would have led to seeing the problem (hopefully). Good call on 1st time build/loose plug @ power supply.
i am impressed ... a good steady display of applied logic
Wow what a stuff up! Even for a first time builder. Check and double check your connections guys.
One thing I'd like to point out, you only used one cable to the GPU, with the two plugs on it. I'm not a fan of the small pigtails like that, as it puts all the current for the GPU onto one connector at the PSU side. It's not spreading the load, increasing the current on the pins at the PSU side, and therefore the heating. On high power cards (>200W) I would always use two separate cables from the PSU to the GPU, as it lowers the current on each pin on the PSU, provide more conductors up to the GPU, and generally lower any voltage drop to the GPU (And heating of the cables and pins).
Not saying it can't be done the way you have it, especially if you are in a bind, but if you have the option, I'd try and use individual cables between the PSU and each GPU power connector.
The pins are technically rated at 13A, if they are to Molex Mini-Fit Jr. specs, but then if you have a bad connection, or bad seating like in this case, that's gonna drastically reduce the current carrying capacity, and lead to excessive heating, as you seen here.
Note to newbies - make sure your connectors are FULLY seated in the socket, or things start melting.
Not only what you said, but there is evidence that it can squeeze out just a hint more performance from the card when overclocking.
So true ^ i will never use a single cable for these kinda cards either :)
@Xcepter that depends on the PSU. With a 650W-750W you definitely need to split the load between the rails.
With a 1200W I haven't had issues at any point running the Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 powered by a single cable - undervolted/OCd.
You are all correct however that it is better practise to split the power load with 2 cables, both for the PSU strain and GPU performance.
But you guys are missing the poin that the PCIe power might be split on 2 different rails and might have a small voltage difference that would stress the VRMs.
Both cases have negatives.
@@mihailstanev8867 The voltage differences produced are usually negligible and the stress on the VRMs is hardly noteworthy.
If you connect both PCIe cables to the same rail you are more likely to notice performance decrease / throttling due to the OCP rather than the GPU VRM. If you connect them to PCIe slots on separate rails you are easing the load on the PSU and literally just letting the VRM do the job it's supposed to do, and that's regulate the voltage. Considering the cooling of the VRM is adequate, which manufacturers make sure that it is, it is not a point to concern yourself with.
... its had a melted PCI-e port by the PSU that didn't fit in properly either way... he cleaned it up enough for a connection between the GPU and the PSU which got the video card working again... Very well done! Though, since this video was made about a year ago, I hope the customer who owns this PC got a new PCI-e cable replacements.
Good diagnostic, Adamant. Well done.
It would have been worth pulling the PCIE power after the run up and seeing if any of the pins or housing felt warm.
Yesss i was so curious if the power suply had no problem when was the cable faulty. :)
The video is long as hell, but the best part... i love watching it till the end!! Super Crazy Knowledge. Thank YOu!!
I guess the clue is that everything lights up brighter than everything else apart from the graphics card, great video, thank you
Some thoughts, if the power supply is modular or semi-modular, this you should check both sides of the cable early in the process, maybe save some time.
I've been wondering about the front mounting of the radiator. I've been told tubes on top will cause it to fail sooner than if the tube are on bottom.
As long as the top of the radiator is higher than the pump/CPU block, it'll be fine. However, hoses down may silence a gurgling cooler. The main issue that Gamer's Nexus where trying to warn people about was when the pump is the highest point in the system - that's when airtrap becomes an issue.
@@Adamant_IT thanks for responding really appreciate it.
Would it be correct to say "it hasn't completed POST", as oppose to "it's not POSTing"?
Technically correct, but I think most people get the idea.
@@Adamant_IT sorry I'm self taught and wasnt sure, wasnt being sarcastic, promise:)
Why don't you solder in a 1K resistor on both the 12 V and 5V line on the Antec? That will quickly drain the stored charge and not consume much power.
Late to the party on this video (3 yrs). Killing the day watching videos, and was intrigued by your comments on the case...what are YOU using for gear these days? Could you do an "I use/ recommend/ like/ dislike" video?? Cheers!
I once had a properly plugged in SATA power cable develop an intermittent connection after 2+ years which caused what appeared to be a motherboard malfunction.
A wee sprit of good electrical contact cleaner (that's safe for plastics and formulated with a tiny amount of lubricant and a water displacement) solved the issue.
I've found that said CC comes in especially handy when trouble-shooting oxidized old components and rigs.
Eventhough it was a simple solution I enjoy following along on the ride.
I worked in a computer store many years ago and have seen a couple of not-so-great customer builds. One in particular, they didn't use the MB spaces, so they screwed the MB directly to the case. Nothing shorted though iirc
I had a Seasonic PSU cook the end of a pcie plug once, I think it had to of been the pins in the plug wasn't crimped on the wire in my case, I put a new end on the wire and salvaged 8 pin EVGA modular port off a junk PSU that fit perfect, just had to get the right pinout, Its still working 4 years later powering a 9700k and gtx1660.
I've just had this recommended again. Like 9 months later?
I’m currently using this case and for some reason fresh out of the box, the cut out for the IO part of the mother board of the case is bent so i had to just go with it
I'm binging your old videos and it's been very interesting.
You provide great service and I wish I had someone like you here locally.
Greetings from the U.S.
just got the 570X myself, real nice case. in white with black and red components and cables.
ive got 10 fans, 3 controller hubs bc my mb is 12v rgb and my hubs needed to be 12v to 5v converted, all have a fan wire and rgb wire...its dam sure ALOT of work. even in a saberay adv case..... also, use both pci connectors from the box hooking them both up to the powersupply will half the load and not create ripple as much... suggestion anyhow...
Ten fans? :)) Where do you live? On Venus?
I do love my customer built pc repairs, very interesting to see how different folks think when building these computers. Sadly I have seen my share of pcs brought in that were completely nuked (Fried) from poor connection arcing or extra standoffs left behind the MB during their install. I've seen a lot in my repair years, some funny others, not so much ;)
a hard drive LED is most important! I had a bad sata cable for a SDD drive, and the hard drive LED kept going on full tilt which indicated to me that there was an issue with one of the 2 drives, -- after trying different sockets on the main board, the issue continued. Finally, once I replaced the cable on one of the drives, I no longer had a stuck drive (also had long boot times and the LED light went full tilt even in BIOS). Yes you want a HDD/SDD LED light. It is a good indicator if you are booting as well
Yea. Indicator LEDs are a dying breed, especially on laptops. They're a lot like extra ports, people never use them - but when you need them, you _need_ them.
Sheet metal squareness, between both the case back and the bracket are common reasons for cards to work themselves out of their slots over time.
Just for anyone whos wondering this is my PC and i brought it in to Graham. It is my first time build and know i made mistakes. The cable into the PSU seemed like it had clipped in but after having problems i knew it needed to be fixed by a professional.
Good on you for giving it a go! It's a much better job than many other first time builds!
I could be wrong, but... If I remember correctly my RM850x (a black one) is NOT compatible with Type3 Corsair cables but only Type4. I know I'm late to the party... But you can tell your customer to check that out.
“Cursory Tug” sounds like a great band name
Discovered this as UA-cam subscribed, it's unfortunate that that small error of not making sure everything is fully pushed in. But any first time builder can't make mistakes I did with my very first ever Athlon Barton 2500+ back in 2000. I didn't connect the power supply to the cable that goes to the wall lol thought I'd instantly bricked my system.
But I'd of contacted the customer and have told him the error and he'd have to buy a new PSU
I didn't expect that this random video could raise me so many questions about my build. I had gpu stability problems (rx 5700xt LOL) and I solved it by using instead of the standard split 8 pin + 8 pin cable, 2 separate cables coming from the psu 12v rail. Thing is, my PSU is an RM 750i, basically the same one. According to msi afterburner's graphs, I wasn't getting enough power before, but if that card can be driven by a single cable, why can't mine? It is just using 290W at peak,and 62 amps should be more than enough for my gpu. Is my psu crippled or what? 🤔
IK tried using DaVinci Resolve but all the videos I had rendered in Vegas just didn't work in DaVinci Resolve.
What is the difference between 3 pin fan and 4 pin fan cable?
Is there space in the other side of the case to moved the rad's fans there? Will let you keep the side mounted AIO.
Do you mean keep the fans on the front and put a rad on the top? What do you mean?
I second JP's question... You can top mount a rad with this case with certain mobo and RAM combinations. Likewise if the GPU is 280 or less you can front-mount the rad.
I have 3 1080 Ti cards of this Asus variety, and only one of them has had this 3x-fan-at-100%-speed issue, and it only occurs after the card hit around over 55~60°C. Which likely means this is an issue with the card's BIOS or with it's software-set thermal curve.
This is then a good reason to maybe update the gpu bios because its actually an issue.
what CPU fan is that? i have the stock AMD fan and looking to upgrade
Interesting.. I wouldn't have thought its "not plugged well" , though I might have reached that after checkng voltages to the card.
coming at this from a general electronics background, once a high current connector is arc/heat damaged it MUST be replaced before further use. even if the quick fix works that connection will now be high resistance, that means heat, that means potential for more damage in the future and maybe worse. at the very least I would have checked the temperature of that connector after the graphics test to see if its heating up when the card draws current.
Have this exact board and had exactly the same thing with the grounding tab on the rear I/O bending the wrong way the first time I installed it...
Lovin your videos man! Cheers!
First thing i saw here is actually the extension cables. I never really liked using mod cable at all if its just for aesthetics. I rather have it directly connected instead of extension even if its a non-braided ketchup and mustard case
Why did you mount the radiator with the tubes at the top? Or did I miss something and you mounted it properly with the tubes at the bottom?
Hi like your content watched a cpl vids in the past and like 5 in a row this evening. Just one question though for now. did putting up thumbnails improve your click through rate?
I don't do a lot of digging in my analytics, but I think doing thumbnails is helping out these days. The regular subscribers mostly don't care, but a decent thumbnail and catchy title very much helps with discovery, which is what leads to growth, and staves off stagnation.
Did you stick with Resolve?.......been using it here, love it.
I couldn't get into it. Shortcut keys were annoying, inability to easily zoom in and out of the timeline, etc etc. I found it very inaccessible. It didn't seem any faster to use and export than Vegas 14 either. I'm sure it makes more sense with black magic hardware, or for someone more experienced with video editing, but yea, it didn't click with me.
@@Adamant_IT I was also using Vegas previously for my own channel but hated parts of it. Resolve has much better pop-up sliders etc etc, and also the video project management. PS. Just sub'd, really like your channel. Glad to see a wee biz doing well.
Ye, I'll probably give it another try at some point. I need to watch some tutorials and such instead of trying to figure it out no-manual.
my gpu oc profiles were crashing and turned out my extension cables melted at the gpu connector, weird that it still worked fine stock
2:16 he also put the power supply screws wrong
Well spotted 😁 damn
Maybe this is the reason that`s hard with connectors in that position...
13:20 And the Real Ass Dude of the Millenium award goes to
Yes, but the 3 pin fans can be speed controlled through voltage…….but perhaps only on some boards.
will you be selling the 5700xt any time??
Thanks, I found it interesting.
For me, Its always a nightmare working on a customer self-build 😸
I take it the plug was like you say either arcing or it was that the other pins wern't connected in and that resulted in tons of current going through a single pin and therefore lots of heat. although the arching would explain why the LED's/power was flicking like mad due to voltage spikes.
hi adamant it i still got ez debug led vga should i return my motherboard back to the company i have know clue what wrong
If you have a VGA error, try a different graphics card, or try your card in a different computer.
@@Adamant_IT cant be test in 20min then sut off my pc
i fink its my motherboard
That is unbelievable... The time you saw the power supply connector I would have replaced it with a new one.
Good Work!
recommended from youtube..... nice channel ... to learn new things.. a new subscriber !!! ..... Stay safe
Some power supplies when plugged into a 1080ti require the power rails plugged in a specific order to post...
Want a look at a aorus x570 pro motherboard?
Praise the Algorithmic Gods. didn't even tell me why it recommended your channel but i see a Tokyo Ghoul Unravel video in the suggested after this.. you know i'm watching that %.% yuss
I wonder if the power supply is the problem the gtx1080 may draw more power then your other video card normal around 650 watt up I would gone with a 850 watt psu.
I don’t need to watch these videos, as I have over 20 years experience doing this professionally but I love to listen to you while I work, my coworkers don’t talk much and rarely about IT work
Something about a British accent really screams “IT” and I have no idea why!
If you ever want just a modest load to test the VGA might I suggest just using GPU-Z? and then simply use the PCI render test....
I'll have to check that out, I use GPU-Z for statistics, but didn't know it had a load tester in it.
Anyone know how to get out a rounded screw on the motherboard? It’s on the m.2 shield of the asus z370 maximus code
1. Try different screwdrivers to see if any others can get purchase, no two screwdrivers are the same. Two different brands of P0 will often be slightly different.
2. Take the mobo out of the case and put it down on a sheet of cardboard so you can properly press down on the screwdriver as you turn it. Lots of pressure, high torque low speed, be careful.
3. If it's completely mullered, I mask of the area with paper towels and use a dremmel to cut a slot across the screw, and then take it out with a large slotted screw driver. This is risky if you're not used to a dremmel, but always works if you're handy with one.
Hey guys! Does anyone knows what is he using for capturing the video card output? Thanks! ;)
HDMI capture card 👍
@@Adamant_IT Thanks! 😉
hi brill vid could i do damage to the computer pc by adding a second hard drive thanks.
nice vid my friend! how many times I've got rekt cuz of these errors from first time rookies! :D this was a good one to point out the most common errors! :) btw the system instability post messege is 99% power deliveri issue error! ;) keep up! :)
WoW :O thy God I have a 980Ti! :'D scores 19557pts. (Gigabyte Extreme gaming)
It's a bit weird that the GPU power LEDs were properly lit while that PCIe cable was wonky.
I know an old Video but those Fans are Corsair SP120 RGB Pro Fans.... 3 Pin. The Elite are 4 Pin.
I use the Power LED as a HD LED if there isn't one present.
when i saw the size of your coffee i was like dude what time it should be? then you said it was 2 am and i was like how this guy could sleep after that 500ml of coffee hahahahah. btw i love your videos, i am always watching
Very enjoyable laid back content. What part of the old country are you from?
Shaftesbury, Dorset
@@joe7737 Nice - I grew up just outside Bath.