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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2019
- A PC cutting out or not posting at random. Intermittent faults are the worst, as you have to do every test three times _just in case_. Turned out to be the mobo, which we then replaced with shiny new Intel 9th gen parts.
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Thanks to music bros down below!
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Motherboards have changed drastically in appearance over the years.
The good ones yes. The cheapo boards look about the same. Maybe a few less bright colors on the low end.
@@skoopsro7656 What boards are you looking at main brand boards now even the cheap ones are all black mainboard and the plastic parts on them are also either black or grey, unlike back in the day when boards used to use blue pcb's and blue and white plastic
that board is from about 10 years ago
I have a board about 2000, 2001. My 2005 HP looks better. My brother played with 486 and before. Tandy 64 I think...
I started "imptoving " my 2005 HP ..
This is just incredible! I've seen probably 50+ of your videos and haven't yet found/heard a single statement of yours that's not exactly the same as mine. We're thinking the same over any issue you have faced so far. Probably that's why I simply adore your videos! Great job though!
I know this was a year ago but those clips for the cpu fan were back to front. I've done the same thing before lol
just subbed and I cant stop watching these videos!!! please keep them coming!!!!
Adamant IT: "2nd Gen is ancient now."
Me: * watching the video 2 years later on a Laptop with 1st Gen i5 * "It's okay Rocky. You go when you feel like it."
how's your laptop? checking since it's been 2 years since this comment.
@@BeezyKing99 it's still ok and working but i don't use it as often since i got a laptop from work.
I found myself re-watching this mystery videos on Sunday morning, they are antidote for Monday.
I love these videos. I bought a used i7-2700K and managed to run it air cooled at 5 GHz, and it still feels fast. I think the 2nd gen was one of Intel's great achievements.
yep, still got my i7 4790k still good for me.
:( I clean my PSU filter on the weekly, but I have 4 cats. I flipped my brother-in-laws PSU around because he not only never cleaned the filter, but somehow lost it. Cleaning his PSU was probably the most spooked I've ever been when handling electronics. I'm genuinely surprised it survived with how much dog hair and cigarette ash I had cleaned out of it.
Dear sir,absilutely superb fault finding,a most exellent job sir,steve from the uk
Another excellent repair video from Adamant IT.
With most issues, I tell clients to make notes of the time that issues come up. Then I start with the logs in the OS & see if there is pattern.
Had the same problem on two MSI X99 SLI Plus motherboards. After troubleshooting it turned out to be that both motherboards didn't like SATA cables, not even brand new cables. My fix was M.2 drive
I’ve subscribed… fun videos… I love that job.
Adam: 'Second Gen is ancient now.'
Me: - Still using a first Gen i5 no worries.
Same. this 9600 is only 40% faster than the original 2600. The main difference they will notice is the SSD.
I will probably go through my 3rd gpu before I swap out the processor. Although the current gen stuff has finally got a 2x improvement.
@@der0keks Now the 14900K is bonkers and demolishes everything xd.
@@crylune lol. Only twice as fast after 12 years. Pretty pleb improvement
@@der0keksTwice as fast in what
my guy? It could be up to 10x as fast, or more, in multicore tests. Single core it just slaughters.
Best channel i have seen compliments..
I clean my filter haha, but your 100% right about mounting it upside down very good point.
very nice upgrade, the customer should be well pleased with it
@herbert even i3s have caught up to the performance of old i7s now!
About the only motherboard repairs that are relatively simple are when those aluminum capacitors spew their guts and you can usually see the leakage. An ESR checker that allows you to check the capacitors when they're not visibly leaking runs about $40 USD. I can do the electronics but not the programming as you do. I'm watching this in Thailand in the 35-degree heat and that sweater looks like a form of Medevil torture.
The Raid configuration insures against hard drive failure.
You can hot plug the data cables to a rain array while pc is running and it will bring them up and they will show on all boot ups after.Worked for me anyhow.
I have the same issue....thanks yt algorithm XD
Thanks for the video dude XD
44:00 I once read an article about lapped heat sink surfaces being a bad idea cause it decreases surface area at a microscopic level. Think of it like a radiator's fins vs a radiator with a flat surface "Which does not exist, but if it did...". It's seems that the most efficient surface mount is NOT a polished one but a brushed one. Similar to the IHS of all CPUs. There is a good reason why those are not polished. And I don't think it's to reduce cost... it is advised to let the applied thermal compound to fill in the gaps between both surfaces and provide a larger surface contact between the cooler and the CPU.
Just thought I'd share that if you are interested.
Thanks for all your videos.
Ouch thats one dirty filter! I always keep my filters clean.
"... aging hardware, with some exotic mods..." 😄
great video as usual from Adamant
Great step by step change over and trouble shoot! ............................ AJ
What you are thinking of in regards to Raid having issues is the old SCSI host bus adapters where it was allot more tedious to get the drive array working again.
love your videos
haha the power supply name is a message novatech corp was the name of the military arm that made johnny 5 in movie short circuit lol
I really enjoyed that one....thanks
Hello, i found your channel a few days ago,and i´m loving it.Keep up the good work. This board,like the laptop boards, isn´t fixable?
From my experience it's usually BER beyond economical repair, i.e. you would pay way more for labour than the boards replacement cost.
@@deelkar : That is generally true. However, we do fix some motherboards, usually installed in commercial or industrial equipment, when they are obsolete and/or ridiculously expensive. That board behaved like it has a glitchy power rail. A half hour and a fresh lot of electrolytic caps might have stabilized it.
SIX ! Nice copper heat pipes.
What did you use to image the drives to be able to migrate to another drive? Sysprep or third party software? And do you have to reactivate software licencing? Thanks
Old video, so it don't really matter, but I'm surprised I didn't see a comment saying the cpu cooler fan retainers are on backwards.
Not that I might not do the same thing, there was probably a team of engineers that tried to figure out the most unusual way to mount that.
Reminds me of when I tried to help a friend replace a broken clothes dryer belt. I stop by and I couldn't make head or tails out of how the belt was routed.
Luckily I had a variation of the same brand dryer, so I just looked at how my unbroken one was routed, lol.
Oh, and you don't route the cables for the clear panel, you route them for the high-speed:low-drag air flow. 😜
man i love how you break things down...love the vids...got a t3500 mobo kinda doing same thing...oddlywont boot if you touch the normal pins now but mess with the cmos jumper n touch those together and it will start but no beep and no pic...tried ram..battery..cmos jumper..a quad core xeon and a hexa core xeon...2 500w power supplies...3 different graphics cards...fans don't spin on rx580 now...but lil 1g ddr2 card with no power plug the fan runs on but no pic...same wirh an old 256 mb card no pic...everything was working I booted down ..stayed at my gfs house and came back a day later and was having to jump the cmo pins to get it 2 come on...had date and time problems and did have a pic but today no pic and still have to jump cmos to get cpu fan to spin.im not sure what else to do...cant really get a picture to do much...thanks for any ideas...the seller did say he was sending a replacement so that was real nice of him...mobo cpu combo for 37.50 on ebay u.s.d….great deal w3565 ..3.2ghz-3.5ghz...4core8thread chip with it!!….already sold 1 system with a 3gig 1060...working on a 6core 2nd system for same guy...just ran into problems with this mobo I didn't have with the 1st build.:)
Achronis, macrium reflect ate Good to clone. Windows will be OK reactivated. You may have a problem with ms office.
Most 2500k will hit 5k MHz if they have decent cpu power like1.5 volts on the cpu + good cooling on the MOSFETs.The HSF and the 970 are blocking cooling to the vrm and mosfet or the cpu power supply area.My wifes pc a cheap ASRock pro is also limited by mb cooling to vrms etc at 86c the cpu will start downclocking.This Foxconn also seems to be very weak in the cpu power area + that small case will run way to hot.
Bugs me when people don't clean their PC's
Most people buy them & just use them like an appliance, oddly enough they don't expect to have to open the case any more than they would a washing machine. Apparently "typical users" bug you.
@@beardyface8492 its filthy lol
@@beardyface8492 People who don't clean their PCs are as lowly as people who don't clean their cars. Take care of your belongings. I don't have a driver's license but I swear I'd have a much cleaner car than literally everyone.
I’ll clean my computer when a problem arises, otherwise it’s fine. Not like I’m staring inside it all day while using it.
A bit of an old video, but still worth asking a question: given that you're able to suss out a lot of board level issues on laptops, and that (as you mention in the video) older generation motherboards are often hard to find (and tend to fetch good prices due to scarcity), do you put any effort into diagnosing and fixing the board after an upgrade like this? If you got it running it could fetch a decent price on Ebay after all.
Nice Mobo, better than those h310-m boards...
I dream of having a shop like this. Or something like free geek does.
I feel relieved you used an MSI board. I had problems from Hell like you did with Gigabyte H61 board. Now using a used MSI H81 and problems are gone.
I love MSI hardware.
Just a general question, DIMM modules matched in 1,2 and in 3,4 but should they not be matched 1,3 and 2,4?
I know this is vid is nearly 2 years old but the Foxconn boards were the motherboard of choice for novatech in their budget barebones bundles. I must admit they were ok to the average user but they were very finnicky. I have many of those boards lying in a draw. I can't knock Novatech for using those motherboards because as I say, It was for their budget build for the home user / family PC.
Novatech do sell high-end products too. They won't be the cheapest but as they are on my doorstep and I am impatient then I don't mind the 5 min drive to collect it from their showroom.
I bet the customer was delighted now their computer was resurrected and faster!
Good stuff here 👍
Thats cool you know the standoff layouts, i take them all out and mark them through the board and anywhere I see a dot I put a standoff
I have that same wireless keyboard the Logitech K400+ and love it
11 mins in and it sounds like the MSI mobo I bought online for my i54690k. It'll boot into bios, run for 3-4 mins, then power cycle. After checking everything I found that the southbridge chipset was heating up to the point you couldn't touch it.........
My second-gen i7 still works very well indeed. But, it is sitting on a very good motherboard (Fatal1ty) and the Cooler Maser case is like nothing available today, so I hate to part with it. Have you ever seen a large Cooler Master case with a SATA drive slot on top? I never could find any ID on the case.....
Back in the days with a busted MoBo with onboard IDE-RAID, I got a PCI RAID card with the same chipset and a driver floppy for XP and it worked fine. I remember some pro IT guys telling me I would never get my data back. Still have that card (Rocket RAID). It worked well for years with some very good read/write speeds.
IDE-Raid. That’s old school! We used to do ultra-scsi raids back in the days for corporate purposes. Those are even slow compared to today offerings! I just did a raid-1 with two 2tb SSD’s for a customer. He wanted redundancy. I half to clone his old machine (intel) to a new AMD. That was an adventure in patience but worked out in the end.
Before I had ever seen your PSU fan upside mount, this has been my preference as well, but I will add that it is well worth the money to go with an 80+ Gold rating, if not Platinum or even Titanium ratings. I couldn't afford these higher end PSU's. My MSI A650GF 80+ Gold has a 10 year warranty which is the best option next to efficiency rating.
That is a great PSU. MSI’s been doing miracles in the PSU market recently. Their Ai1300P is what I use. A CWT built, 1300W 80+ Platinum beast. Would have gone Seasonic but they had no ATX 3.0 units at the time. Still, this beauty will last me and I don’t intend to switch it out for a long time.
I basically did a upgrade like this. Though, i went back another Gen. and got a Golden 5.3GHz i7 8700K for $280 and this was in Jan. 2018. I also found a z370 Aorus Gaming 7 motherboard to go with it for $145. Got a 16GB kit of GSkills FLARE X 3200CL14 (Samsung B-die) that overclocks to 4133CL17 for $90. I essentially got all 3 main (base) components to start a build. They were all open box items but, brand new with damaged boxes. $500 for a setup like this, i just couldn't pass up. Gaming 7 was $250+ board originally. I was very surprised to this board marked down, even if it was almost a year old. It looks awesome, lights up like a Christmas tree and has the best VRM out of any z370 board besides the GODLIKE. Using 10 (ISL99227B) 60A smart power stages in a 4+2 configuration but, double to an 8+2 using (ISL6617A) current balancing smart doublers. So its an 8 phase Vcore with 480A total current capability. And more powerful than most Z390 boards. It can also run the 8core 16thread 9900K. Which i eventually upgraded to. The i7 8700K that is still a monster, i put it in another z370 Aorus Gaming 7 that i got for $170. After such a great experience that i had with that board, i decided to get another one for the 5.3GHz 8700K. It was the only board i could find that would run it and not overheat. I had the Corsair Obsidian 500D case and 860i 860watt PSU and dual 1TB Samsung 970pro nVME M.2 drives which i put in RAID 0. The z370 Gaming 7 had 3 M.2 slots so i fugured it would be a good match. But, not really. the DMI 3.0 bottled the 2 970pros so i took them out of raid. One could still reach 3.5GB/s tranfer rates which is plenty of speed. It wasn't until i got Gigabytes z390 Designare, that i could RAID 0 2 of those 3500MB/s nVME's and actualyy get 7GB/s tranfer rates. Thanks to the PCIe direct to CPU lane distribution that the board had. Plus dual ThunderBolt 3 on board. Yeah, that one i had to get. I eventually made that one my editing rig. With all the money i saved by going with open box last Gen parts over the past 2 years. I was able to get a eVGA RTX 2080ti FTW3 Ultra which is pretty much one of, if not the fastest air cooled 2080ti's out there. I also got LG's 55inch C9 O-LED TV for the family. Couldn't be happier. 10th Gen may run a little more cool but there is no architectural upgrade past skylake. So, i think i'll wait for Golden Cove or some other Cove for my future PC needs.
the older RAID Arrays were usually made up from SCSI Ultrawide HDD's and were very expensive and yes they had SCSI ID'S usually 1 thru 7 and they also terminators on the last drive to tell the array that there are no more drives after the termination jumpers. but when sata or sas drives were the new thing for arrays the serial chains were far superior and cost effective.
Would have been handy to know about that 500 quid before hand. Install cpu, ram and m.2 when it’s outside of the case far easier
Shouldn't you use the blue slots first for memory on that old motherboards?
lol 4 sticks and it's only 8 gigs, though has not tasted the true power of the PC master race!
The greater majority of Intel boards since the first generation core series do not count their ram slots in the order you were indicating, from socket to board edge they are numbered 4, 2, 3, 1. Slot 1 is farthest way from the CPU not closest.
had that issue a month ago, new motherboard, ram and PSU no issues.
I'm on 1st gen i7-920 in 2021, still rocking.
1. why single dimms? couldnt you find a 4gb x2 sticks? dual rams are always better
2. isnt it better to put all the components to the board before you put the board itself back to the case? same goes for the cpu cooler and its fans, just less hassle
I can only recommend RAID on either proper HW Raid controller with long term support (not those onboard things), pure software raid, or as ZFS (on linux or similar) especially if you want redundancy, because you are always dependent not only on the drives but the controlling hardware. This obviously does not hold if you use raid-0 or JBOD onboard-RAID modes, because then you obviously do not care about redundancy, but pure speed.
Regardless of what you choose, make sure your backups are automated, and do work.
I haven't seen you check if it's not a PSU fault, a down voltage on the motherboard
little late, but I have seen many of the 2. & 3. Gen Motherboards going bad just because of an corrupted Bios over Time. In around 70% of the cases, reflashing the Bios chip got new life in that boards.
It's not only hard to find MBs from that era, it's hard to find WORKING MBs from that era. Just bought 3 x 3rd Gen MBs and they were all faulty. One was faulty when it arrived - no onboard vid and one RAM channel dead. One totally failed after two days. And the last lost the network after 1 day. There is something from that era that makes MBs fail, because I have older PCs(Pentium 4, Core2Duo) that still work.
Hopefully he orientated the fan clips into their proper position off cam.
can the core i7 920 still game only i got given one in a board recently pretty much whole computer is in parts i have to build it
Bad power supplies can mess up more hardware than any one thing or component on a PC, that is why it is very important to test the psu before anything when doing a diagnostic on an intermitted hardware error, like cutting out. stuttering or just plain turning off unexpectedly(It's still known as a crash). I can spend 25 dollars on test equipment plus multimeter and without a doubt find a bad power supply. Rather than letting the PC crash or code up in an effort to find the problem, you can test a power supply before you try out the PC, If it isn't running on spec then it will damage drives , graphics cards and even CPU's due to improper voltage output. it is just reckless to put a system online before checking for hazardous conditions that can cause more damage
I clean my filters once a month. If not more. But I also wouldn’t need to take it in to have someone else troubleshoot issues
What about windows activation? Did it have a fit after changing all of that hardware?
As far as I know that's only a problem with OEM keys. With retail keys you just have to tell it that the hardware configuration changed and it will not complain as long as it's being used on one pc at a time
The first thing to do when working on a pc is to blow out all the dust. I heard an electrical pop at 8:50 and 9:35. .
By the way... the memory is in the wrong sockets. I cannot stop watching this. i"m not a raid fan either- I know what you mean
I had the same thoughts about cleaning and would have not mixed RAM (if DDR2)
You can't say " no one cleans there filter " anymore.
I ALWAYS clean my pc's
Man i just found you a short while ago and i'm really into them, most of them of coarse.
Trouble shooting, I can't get enough.
Thanx
of course the win 10 is on those spinners and spinners are painfully slow for win 10. id definitely move win 10 to the ssd
My power supply is mounted fan down, but is on a hard surface, which is 3/4 inches from the bottom of my case, and I DO clean the filter regularly. Therefore there is always room temperature air going through my power supply.
Intermittently dead motherboard Thinks hmmmm is it a Gigabyte ???😂🤣
It's probably already been mentioned in earlier comments - hey, you posted this a year ago - but you should have tried changing the CMOS battery. At 8 years old the battery was probably dead or dying, and the latter can cause interesting effects. Also, I'm surprised you didn't notice sooner that the banks of RAM were incorrect.
As for it never being the CPU, always check the heatsink! I've cooked a CPU by accidentally putting the heatsink on the wrong way around so it doesn't contact the CPU.
i just posted that lol.
Hey can you stop making videos so I can finally put my phone down and get some sleep. 😂 Great content man.
The Raid on Intel Core chipsets, (RST or Rapid Storage Technology), has always been backwards compatible for me.
I'm curious: Any reason why you don't do component-level diagnostics on desktop motherboards as you often do on laptop motherboards? Perhaps this was a marginal short with not enough current to make the PSU shut down?
Lack of learning so far - Desktop boards are a completely different ballgame to Laptop mobos, as it's usually a logic problem, where as laptops are usually a power problem.
is there any point in a 2 drive raid array?
RAID 0 why oh why. Yes it's a faster read but if one drive fails that's it all data gone.
fair point you make, why all the fuss indeed.
Why did you use a sata m.2 instead of a nvme m.2?
At the time of this video, NVMe was still a premium cost, and most people won't notice the difference.
OLD case but LOOK at ALL the BAYS!
It's so much easier to assemble the HSF and cpu and ram outside the case.
I was hoping to see the mobo repaired, not just replaced :(
Is it not possible to fix the motherboard? I have seen you fixing notebooks motherboards, what's the difference with this?
Depend if its possible to fix or not (not because notebook diff, actually same boards) , in this case seems like fixing this board will cost = as new mobo in cash.
It's possible definitely but is it worth it, especially on an 8 year old PC?
If it's your own PC and you have the spare time, sure. But if you're running a shop, the customer is not going to pay you extra even if it takes you the whole day repair the mobo; plus you won't know if the bad part is replaceable till you find it so it can be a wild goose chase from the start.
Laptops; on the other hand, will not always have a replacement mobo available for purchase so repair may as well be the only option.
Its an SMC issue, or a PWR/RSET circuit issue. its acting like it thinks someone is holding the power button down at random startups..
Why didn't you put the CPU, Cooler and ram in before you put the mobo in the case?
It's six of one or half a dozen of the other really. Although if you're aircooling, then yea it's easier to fit that before the mobo goes in.
I have a feeling that paste that was on there was pretty conductive. I've seen liquid metal eat finishes off plated metal.. but most modern pastes don't. and that looks to have been pretty old paste, and who knows what was in it.
Did he clean the CPU and put on fresh paste?
@@retprof9922 I dont even remember writing this. No idea. Idk were anyone even gets conductive thermalpaste tbh. No idea what I was talking about
That dust on the fan is just awful 😖
I clean my power supply filter every couple of weeks! And my power supply gets a dust out every couple of months!
Darn it I was hoping for a better out come on the first MB. I am running a asus 450b -m2. mb with ryzen 52400g and 16 g crucial ram. and a rx530ss 80+bronze psu and a Zotech 740? 4gb gpu. that is the set up. I run this rig 24/7. lately the weird thing is it will power cycle it self. just shut down and restart. some times it will go 3 days no issues other times it will power cycle 2x a day for 3 days running. Switched the ram around thought that fixed the problem. nope. this was built 2 years ago and I have had no problems with it to date. I am kinda stumped here. anyone have an idea on where to look next? I will be moving it to another case soon with a brand new 750w psu. with a used Zotech gtx 1050 ti gpu kinda putting that off till I get replacement parts for a used Origin case I bought. but think maybe i will be moving it before i get those parts in.
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i clean mine and its still dirty as hell, i think up side down may be the way forward.
I had same 'Foxconn' motherboard and NO, would NOT buy that 'manufacturer's' M'board again.👀 I reasoned that they were a 'premium' board. OK for light work but as is the case with some mobo's, put some heavier demands on them and they WILL fail. 👀Over 40 years of PC building et + I've opted for certain manufacturers that I trust re future builds including certain components. I switched over to AMD within the last 10 years and Intel now is a distant memory.. 👍My top three mobo manufacturers are Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock.
I have a Foxconn mobo with an interesting fault.
H77M board
i7 3770
4 x 4GB cheapo RAM
Bought as Advent branded machine from PC World with an HD6770 1GB graphic card.
I upgraded to a GTX970 which worked fine unless the DP ports were used. It wouldn’t allow you to get into the BIOS and took forever to POST. Once running, worked fine. If hdmi was used, it worked fine.
I assumed that it was a different Gen compatibility issue with the PCIe port.
Added to the issue is that every BIOS that Foxconn made for the board would say that it was not the correct BIOS and refused to upgrade. Also, the BIOS on the board, Foxconn say doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it is an Advent specific BIOS for that board as it displays the Advent logo when POSTing.
There is very little information online to help troubleshoot this issue.
My solution was to buy a cheap second hand MSI Z77 from eBay.
Having seen your BIOS chip programming video, I am tempted to have another play with this Foxconn board.
The correct procedure is motherboard, CPU, RAM, CPU-cooler and testing, before mounting anything into the case... Especially if using second-hand older parts. Okay, seems it was new parts, so that's good, but still, I would mount and test before mounting, just in case - if something is then done incorrectly, like having a misplaced standoff in the case, you know it's something with the case-install that is causing issues, since it worked before doing that.
And about one build in 10 (or less), you'll save yourself a problem, the other 9+ you've wasted time, no problem if you're a hobbyist, no good if you're trying to make a living off it.
@@beardyface8492 bullshit. The building outside the case is basically the same as building inside the case. Depending on type of case/MB, ofc, but as long as regular ATX or EATX, you can 99% of the time just put the finished build into the case, without disassembling first. So the extra time you spend is maybe what... 10 minutes extra for the extra test? It's not noticeable.
good
47:25 possibly mold growing on fan ? 😂
lmao
i was expecting from the memory test u made a fix atempt on the obviously faulty board i have a 2 gen i5 2310 jejejeje and still try to fix it every time a mosfet blows up lol 500 pounds here are a humongous amount of money here cause the exchange rate here u need a pci/pcie post card, it helps a lot with problems like the one u just had
used to hate raid but yeh its a lot simpler now with windows 10