Corey, I live in Northern Maine and great to see your success catching brookies and salmon. My dream is to go to western Maine and fish for monster brookies. Some of the biggest in the state are found there. Great video.
Just got home from an aborted fishing trip due to heavy smoke from a CA fire west of Lake Tahoe. So upset, so had to come home and find another one of your videos. Almost as fun as fishing myself. Thanks again and keep em coming.
Sorry about your trip, Tom. Hopefully you can get back it soon. Really awesome of you to say that about the video! Tight lines and I’ll keep ‘em coming!
The Mags! This was one of my absolute favorites when I lived in Maine. I know exactly where you were, so cool. Describing those salmon as "bullets" was perfect...pure muscle. Thanks for taking me back there!
I can see why it was one of your favorites, Martin! What an awesome place. Those salmon were solid muscle. Loved catching them and can’t wait to get back. Glad you enjoyed!
The holy waters of our sister province, Maine, (Mass native here).You're a magician, Merlin with the long rod . Wyoming and golden trout must surely beckon,keep that in mind.Well done,magnificent fish.
Great stuff. 3 years ago (August) had a great time fishing there. I hooked into a big salmon which broke me off in 30 seconds- I started swearing loudly and suddenly a cow moose started crashing around in the woods right behind me. We scared each other pretty good!
Hahaha! That’s awesome. I couldn’t imagine! We kept looking for a moose the whole time we were there. I have no idea how those enormous animals walk through those thick woods. Appreciate you watching, Brian!
Great point about weight management. Many people, including me, have set the weight for the day (i.e., "set it and forget it"). That is exactly why you said in another vid to practice your knot tying, even in front of the TV. When the process is "seamless" (not the knot), then you will not hesitate to continually manage your weight on the stream--it will not be perceived as a burden.. I am even guilty of avoiding the hassle of snags, so I do not have enough weight on for thorough nyphing. Great vids, Cory. Thanks, Keith ("Old Dominion Trout Slouch")
Thank you, Keith. It really is one of those things that make you better. Once you make it a habit to change weights, it just becomes second nature as you progress-you do it almost instinctively as you move through the stream. Then no more Slouch!
Beautiful water and those fish are just gorgeous!! Never fished in Maine but would like to someday. Thanks for another great video. Tight lines my friend!
Great job! That looked like some good water! I did fish the upper Connecticut in New Hampshire a long time ago and caught a few landlocked salmon but they were only like 3 inches. Like always your talking points are great and I can't wait for the next video!
Appreciate it, Justin! Loved it there! I fished the Upper CT when I was up there, as well. It’s a good one too. Thanks so much for your comments and for watching!
That is some great day Cory ! A beautiful mixed bag of salmon and Brooks! Every run you fished looked juicy indeed ! Good job with fly selection and weight! I personally never caught a landlocked salmon, but they sure look like they give you a decent fight! The Brooks were stunning, and is my favorite to catch ! Temped to head up to Main myself, which would be a first! Again great stuff and tight lines !
Corey I went to the fly shop today I checked out four rods The T&T the orvis syndicate and the shadow X and you were absolutely right that rod recovery on the TT was superb! It was the heaviest though and in all the reviews I’ve seen that was the only downside of the rod but it’s damn nice I’m gonna have to try to fish one!! I’m here I’m headed in for rotator cuff surgery in two weeks so I’m think I’m sidelined for a while now so get out and make some more videos looks like I’m gonna be a spectator! I can’t even tie flies with one arm!
What an awesome video and a fantastic river loaded with nice pocket water. I would love ro spend a few days there any suggestion on where to stay and what part of the river to fish?
Thank you, Pierre. I was actually staying in an AirbnB in NH about an hour away. Not really sure what’s around other than something like that… I would go up to the “dam”. At the top of the river. There is a huge parking area there. It’s really easy to find. The river is not that long and you drive along it most of the way. You can find it on a map. You can work upstream of it and downstream as well.
I caught my first salmon last year on my first cast my first time fly fishing it was 28 inches long on the West Penobscot river just below a set of falls on the Golden road, I ended up catching over 30 brookies and salmon and one brookie was 3.5 pounds. The problem is now how do I get over the fact that my best day ever fly fishing has probably happened..lol...I mean that was an epic day! My buddy who was basically my guide for the day caught maybe 5 he didn't talk to me the entire ride home....lol..😂...now I'm tying flies and everything I'm definitely hooked!
Awesome stuff Corey! That’s a heck of a travel, drive or fly? I’ve yet to catch an Atlantic Salmon, on my bucket list. How were snags and the wading in that pocket water? Looked like a ton of fun. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, Scott!! My wife and I drove up from NJ and spent 4 days in the area. About a 7 1/2 drive. Absolutely beautiful country up there and so remote. I was there on a Sat and had the place to myself! The wading was a BUTT kicker, but the snags weren’t bad at all. It was a ton of fun and the Salmon were amazing…just built for speed. Thanks for watching!
@@OldDominionTroutBum I'm fishing the Roach River, east side of Moosehead lake next week. New to this Euro style. I love it so far... thanks to your knowledge and guidance, I feel much more confident that I WILL catch some beautiful native fish.
Thanks Ryan! I am using approx 25ft (for my 10' 9" rod) of 18mm Pezon & Michel Color Line in bi-color straight to the tippet ring. It is mono for Euro Nymphing. You can only get it from overseas. The closest thing in the States is Sempe which you can find at Tactical Fly Fisher.
Appreciate it, Dylan! It’s a Ross Evolution LTX 4/5. I have the Cortland Euro nymphing line. My leader is 18mm Pezon & Michel color line. Thanks so much for watching!
Great explanation of your casting technique to get the flies down quickly. Did you ever use the tuck cast?Specifically at the heads of seams and in the Eddys below boulders?
It is an awesome river, Fudd. I fished a few days in NH on the Upper Conn River and did pretty well. The whole area is just beautiful. We went Moose-less btw. Kept looking, but nothing!
Appreciate your videos and straight forward way of teaching/tips on the magalloway are you able to comment : was your rod a. t&t. 3 weight. I fish the river couple times a year also similar water nearby any opinion if tt 2 weight could handle same river same conditions with micro mono leader set up thanks
Thanks so much, Ed. Really appreciate it. My rod in this video was a T&T Contact ll 10ft 9in 3wt. I also have a 10ft 2 wt T&T and you can absolutely handle the same conditions with it and a micro leader. As a matter of fact after I fished that day, I even thought to myself that my 2wt would have been great there.
As a newbie to euro nymphing I was wondering if you could explain something to me or do a quick video on it for everyone... I took your setup advise and put on 22' of tri color 4x euro mono to a tippet ring and then the 4' of 6x fluoro tippet. Much better setup than what I was originally using (thank you) I typically drift with the tippet ring just above the water's surface but I don't know if that's correct? Do you drop your sighter mono down into the water only when you are drifting a very deep pool? I'm begining to wonder if i'm not actually getting deep enough doing what I normally do. Can you elaborate a little on this subject? Thank you and keep up the amazing videos.
Thanks, MBHC. Glad I can help. That is a great question. Devin Olsen just recently did a video on this. He explains it perfectly. He calls it the downshift, I simply say that you will know that your flies are in the bottom column if your sighter is moving slightly slower than the surface current. The key is tippet length. You should have your tippet about 1 1/2 times the depth of the deepest water you will be fishing (on ave). So if you are fishing 2 1/2 to 3 feet at the deepest. 4 1/2 ft will work. If you have 4 feet on and you are fishing 3 foot pools, you may have to dip your sighter in. If you are fishing 2 feet or a foot and a half, you will have to raise it. I like to have my sighter just above the water so I tend to go shorter with my tippet and dip it when needed. If you hit a 5 foot deep pool, you will be better served to lengthen your tippet. If you are in 2 feet of water, your sighter will be higher off the water. It really is time on the water that will help the most. Day in and day out 4-5 feet of tippet will work. You can raise and lower based on the depth. You always want to have your sighter just between straight and not straight. (Just a slight curve). I hope this makes sense.
Are you using a mono or braid fly line, and is it going straight to the leader via a nail knot or tippet ring? Whatever kind of of fly line it is I like it because it doesn't seem to tangle.
Jim, I’m using a braid core euro nymphing line. I strip the coating off the end and whip finish in a small loop. I then tie my leader directly to the loop.
@@OldDominionTroutBum Thanks again Cory! I may have bought the wrong line to do that. I bought the RIO Euro nymph line. I was thinking I could cut the loop off and do a nail knot and cover with zap-a-gap.
The Mag is my home-water away from home. Few weeks ago I caught nothing but chubs and smallmouth bass in a spot further down than that. It has been a horrible year for that river, without the rain until it came in deluges, and very hot weather in ME. Last year, in September, I had a day where I caught a brookie on nearly every cast, all day long. 20"er mixed in there as well...
@@Jaimelapoesie You should have cooked it. Smallmouth bass are quite tasty when they come from clean water like that. I host a big fish fry every year where I serve a few hundred filets of Rapid and Magalloway River smallmouths.
Actually, I believe micro leaders do better in the wind…The ticker the leader, the more wind picks it up because of the larger surface area. The thinner you go, the less sail effect you have.
Corey, I live in Northern Maine and great to see your success catching brookies and salmon. My dream is to go to western Maine and fish for monster brookies. Some of the biggest in the state are found there. Great video.
Thank you, Milan. I absolutely love Maine. What a gorgeous state you live in. And the western part is brook trout heaven. Tight lines!
Just got home from an aborted fishing trip due to heavy smoke from a CA fire west of Lake Tahoe. So upset, so had to come home and find another one of your videos. Almost as fun as fishing myself. Thanks again and keep em coming.
Sorry about your trip, Tom. Hopefully you can get back it soon. Really awesome of you to say that about the video! Tight lines and I’ll keep ‘em coming!
The Mags! This was one of my absolute favorites when I lived in Maine. I know exactly where you were, so cool. Describing those salmon as "bullets" was perfect...pure muscle. Thanks for taking me back there!
I can see why it was one of your favorites, Martin! What an awesome place. Those salmon were solid muscle. Loved catching them and can’t wait to get back. Glad you enjoyed!
Outstanding video! I especially liked that you identified the water and the flies, plus sizes, that you were using. I liked and subscribed!
Thank you, Tom! Appreciate you watching and subbing. Tight lines to you!
The holy waters of our sister province, Maine, (Mass native here).You're a magician, Merlin with the long rod . Wyoming and golden trout must surely beckon,keep that in mind.Well done,magnificent fish.
Wow, Steve…now that is a compliment! Thank you, sir! The West is calling for sure. I’ll will get out there. Appreciate you watching and tight lines!
@@OldDominionTroutBum 🎣👍
Great stuff. 3 years ago (August) had a great time fishing there. I hooked into a big salmon which broke me off in 30 seconds- I started swearing loudly and suddenly a cow moose started crashing around in the woods right behind me. We scared each other pretty good!
Hahaha! That’s awesome. I couldn’t imagine! We kept looking for a moose the whole time we were there. I have no idea how those enormous animals walk through those thick woods. Appreciate you watching, Brian!
'Maine is brook trout heaven' ...another great video Cory...thanks for sharing
It sure is, TK! Thanks so much and appreciate you watching!
Great video. So fun watching you catch fish and seeing your technique. Got to love the fight on those big fish.
Thanks so much, David! Maine is a special place. Appreciate you watching and commenting. Tight lines!
Great point about weight management. Many people, including me, have set the weight for the day (i.e., "set it and forget it"). That is exactly why you said in another vid to practice your knot tying, even in front of the TV. When the process is "seamless" (not the knot), then you will not hesitate to continually manage your weight on the stream--it will not be perceived as a burden.. I am even guilty of avoiding the hassle of snags, so I do not have enough weight on for thorough nyphing. Great vids, Cory.
Thanks, Keith ("Old Dominion Trout Slouch")
Thank you, Keith. It really is one of those things that make you better. Once you make it a habit to change weights, it just becomes second nature as you progress-you do it almost instinctively as you move through the stream. Then no more Slouch!
Salmon was amazing but that brookie was cherry on the top of the cake 😊 another great video 🎉
Thank you! That brookie definitely was the cherry on top. Maine is a special place. Beautiful scenery and beautiful trout. Appreciate you watching!
Corey so awesome! I was salivating looking at that water,pocket water is so much fun and productive.Thanks for the detailed narration as always.
Haha…appreciate it, Dale! I love some serious pocket water. Thanks so much for watching!
What a video! Tremendous, hard fighting fish & epic scenery. Fewer biting bugs in late Summer too. Doesn’t get much better.
Thank you, Gary! It really doesn’t get much better. The beauty of the place and the beauty of the fish is incredible. Appreciate you watching!
Awesome scenery, I love that pocket water. Great video!
Thanks, Michael. Maine is beautiful and the pocket water was heaven!
Nice Brook Cory!!
Thanks for shh h rainbow another adventure always a joy to see👊👊
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Thanks so much, Charles! Appreciate you watching!
Beautiful water and those fish are just gorgeous!! Never fished in Maine but would like to someday. Thanks for another great video. Tight lines my friend!
Thank you Vinny! You HAVE to get up there. It is beautiful country with beautiful fish. Appreciate you watching and tight lines to you as well!
my "home" river I know it well. glad you enjoyed Maine.
That's one heck of a home river, Kurt! Appreciate you watching and letting me enjoy your state.
Great detail as always. The full length sighter leader makes it easy to see casting and pick up the drift.
Appreciate it, JB!!
Some great water and loads of fish! Would like to fish this one sometime! Thx for sharing. Tightlines!!
Thanks, Craig! It is a beautiful stream. You won’t be sorry making the trip. Tight lines to you!
Slaying trout and salmon. Living the dream.
Haha. Maine is definitely a dream, Daniel. Appreciate you watching!
Awesome work going in blind and smashing fish. Cant wait for the next adventure in the north east!
Thank you Derek!! You HAVE to get up there!!
My favorite fly guy. Awesome fishing!
Thank you my girl! Love sharing the stream with you!
Great job! That looked like some good water! I did fish the upper Connecticut in New Hampshire a long time ago and caught a few landlocked salmon but they were only like 3 inches. Like always your talking points are great and I can't wait for the next video!
Appreciate it, Justin! Loved it there! I fished the Upper CT when I was up there, as well. It’s a good one too. Thanks so much for your comments and for watching!
Cory!!! You’ve got the life brother. See you soon
Haha…Appreciate you watching, Scott! Beers on me!
That is some great day Cory ! A beautiful mixed bag of salmon and Brooks! Every run you fished looked juicy indeed ! Good job with fly selection and weight! I personally never caught a landlocked salmon, but they sure look like they give you a decent fight! The Brooks were stunning, and is my favorite to catch ! Temped to head up to Main myself, which would be a first! Again great stuff and tight lines !
Much appreciated, Antonio! Loved those Brookies! You have to make the trip up to Maine. It won’t disappoint! Thanks for watching my friend!
Outstanding !!!
Thank you, Nick!!
Great stuff, thanks.
Appreciate it, Jim!
Corey I went to the fly shop today I checked out four rods The T&T the orvis syndicate and the shadow X and you were absolutely right that rod recovery on the TT was superb! It was the heaviest though and in all the reviews I’ve seen that was the only downside of the rod but it’s damn nice I’m gonna have to try to fish one!! I’m here I’m headed in for rotator cuff surgery in two weeks so I’m think I’m sidelined for a while now so get out and make some more videos looks like I’m gonna be a spectator! I can’t even tie flies with one arm!
Scott, if you get the T&T you won’t be sorry. It’s a great one! Good luck with your surgery. I’ll try to keep you entertained!
What an awesome video and a fantastic river loaded with nice pocket water. I would love ro spend a few days there any suggestion on where to stay and what part of the river to fish?
Thank you, Pierre. I was actually staying in an AirbnB in NH about an hour away. Not really sure what’s around other than something like that…
I would go up to the “dam”. At the top of the river. There is a huge parking area there. It’s really easy to find. The river is not that long and you drive along it most of the way. You can find it on a map.
You can work upstream of it and downstream as well.
Amazing video, Corey. Love the wild fish in Maine! Is this a tailwater section?
Thank you, Jonah! Maine is a special place. Yes, it was. I was fishing above it and below it.
Lovely river mate!
Loved it there! Thanks for watching, Peachy! Hope all is well mate!
I caught my first salmon last year on my first cast my first time fly fishing it was 28 inches long on the West Penobscot river just below a set of falls on the Golden road, I ended up catching over 30 brookies and salmon and one brookie was 3.5 pounds. The problem is now how do I get over the fact that my best day ever fly fishing has probably happened..lol...I mean that was an epic day! My buddy who was basically my guide for the day caught maybe 5 he didn't talk to me the entire ride home....lol..😂...now I'm tying flies and everything I'm definitely hooked!
Wow-great stuff, Timothy. That will hook you right away! Now your goal is to make that a normal day! Beautiful country up there. Tight lines to you!
That looks like treacherous wading… Gorgeous stream.
It was pretty tough wading, but an fantastic stream. Appreciate you watching!
Great video! Not sure if that's your wife in the chair but if so that's a familiar sight.. I drag my wife fishing and she just sits around! 😂
Haha! It is my wife, Mark! She is also my official photographer! Love sharing the stream with her. Appreciate you watching!
Awesome stuff Corey! That’s a heck of a travel, drive or fly? I’ve yet to catch an Atlantic Salmon, on my bucket list. How were snags and the wading in that pocket water? Looked like a ton of fun. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, Scott!! My wife and I drove up from NJ and spent 4 days in the area. About a 7 1/2 drive. Absolutely beautiful country up there and so remote. I was there on a Sat and had the place to myself! The wading was a BUTT kicker, but the snags weren’t bad at all. It was a ton of fun and the Salmon were amazing…just built for speed. Thanks for watching!
Sorry if you have already mentioned it before but what size is your net? Just love your videos. Always waiting in anticipation for the next one!
Thanks, Bill. Appreciate you watching! It’s a Frabill 18x13.
Thank you OLD dominion for the awesome video's!! Do you have one describing different leader options?
Appreciate it! I have do a video called "The Micro Leader". In this I talk about my most commonly used leader. Hope this helps.
@@OldDominionTroutBum I'm fishing the Roach River, east side of Moosehead lake next week. New to this Euro style. I love it so far... thanks to your knowledge and guidance, I feel much more confident that I WILL catch some beautiful native fish.
Glad the videos are helping. Good luck to you! Maine is a beautiful place.
Loving this channel and the context. Great job. What is your micro thin euro leader formula? Would love to try it out.
Thanks Ryan! I am using approx 25ft (for my 10' 9" rod) of 18mm Pezon & Michel Color Line in bi-color straight to the tippet ring. It is mono for Euro Nymphing. You can only get it from overseas. The closest thing in the States is Sempe which you can find at Tactical Fly Fisher.
what reel is that? It looks super cool! Also curious what fly line you are using? Awesome videos thanks for sharing! Love watching.
Appreciate it, Dylan! It’s a Ross Evolution LTX 4/5. I have the Cortland Euro nymphing line. My leader is 18mm Pezon & Michel color line. Thanks so much for watching!
Great explanation of your casting technique to get the flies down quickly. Did you ever use the tuck cast?Specifically at the heads of seams and in the Eddys below boulders?
Appreciate it, Bill! I use the tuck cast all the time. It is a super helpful in those areas and in any deeper/heavy water.
Always a killer vid!!! Was the guy below you hauling em in? Lol
Great water too….
Thank you, Scott! That was my wife and official photographer that was in the frame every now and then!
@@OldDominionTroutBum how do I apply for that position?
Haha!
Awesome River. Did you fish more days and do just as well? Looks like euro Paradise. See any moose
It is an awesome river, Fudd. I fished a few days in NH on the Upper Conn River and did pretty well. The whole area is just beautiful. We went Moose-less btw. Kept looking, but nothing!
Pocket water central!
Most definitely, Geoffrey!!
Appreciate your videos and straight forward way of teaching/tips on the magalloway are you able to comment : was your rod a. t&t. 3 weight. I fish the river couple times a year also similar water nearby any opinion if tt 2 weight could handle same river same conditions with micro mono leader set up thanks
Thanks so much, Ed. Really appreciate it. My rod in this video was a T&T Contact ll 10ft 9in 3wt. I also have a 10ft 2 wt T&T and you can absolutely handle the same conditions with it and a micro leader. As a matter of fact after I fished that day, I even thought to myself that my 2wt would have been great there.
As a newbie to euro nymphing I was wondering if you could explain something to me or do a quick video on it for everyone...
I took your setup advise and put on 22' of tri color 4x euro mono to a tippet ring and then the 4' of 6x fluoro tippet. Much better setup than what I was originally using (thank you) I typically drift with the tippet ring just above the water's surface but I don't know if that's correct? Do you drop your sighter mono down into the water only when you are drifting a very deep pool? I'm begining to wonder if i'm not actually getting deep enough doing what I normally do. Can you elaborate a little on this subject? Thank you and keep up the amazing videos.
Thanks, MBHC. Glad I can help.
That is a great question. Devin Olsen just recently did a video on this. He explains it perfectly. He calls it the downshift, I simply say that you will know that your flies are in the bottom column if your sighter is moving slightly slower than the surface current.
The key is tippet length. You should have your tippet about 1 1/2 times the depth of the deepest water you will be fishing (on ave). So if you are fishing 2 1/2 to 3 feet at the deepest. 4 1/2 ft will work. If you have 4 feet on and you are fishing 3 foot pools, you may have to dip your sighter in. If you are fishing 2 feet or a foot and a half, you will have to raise it. I like to have my sighter just above the water so I tend to go shorter with my tippet and dip it when needed. If you hit a 5 foot deep pool, you will be better served to lengthen your tippet. If you are in 2 feet of water, your sighter will be higher off the water. It really is time on the water that will help the most.
Day in and day out 4-5 feet of tippet will work. You can raise and lower based on the depth. You always want to have your sighter just between straight and not straight. (Just a slight curve). I hope this makes sense.
Where do you get pezon and Michel bicolor mono? Great videos very informative .
Thanks Debbie! You have to get it overseas. Riversfly.com sells it. It’s called Pezon & Michel Color Line.
Are you using a mono or braid fly line, and is it going straight to the leader via a nail knot or tippet ring? Whatever kind of of fly line it is I like it because it doesn't seem to tangle.
Jim, I’m using a braid core euro nymphing line. I strip the coating off the end and whip finish in a small loop. I then tie my leader directly to the loop.
@@OldDominionTroutBum Thanks again Cory! I may have bought the wrong line to do that. I bought the RIO Euro nymph line. I was thinking I could cut the loop off and do a nail knot and cover with zap-a-gap.
RIO line is great. You can use a needle knot just fine.
can you euro nymph on a ffo stream?
Yes-it is fly fishing.
The Mag is my home-water away from home. Few weeks ago I caught nothing but chubs and smallmouth bass in a spot further down than that. It has been a horrible year for that river, without the rain until it came in deluges, and very hot weather in ME.
Last year, in September, I had a day where I caught a brookie on nearly every cast, all day long. 20"er mixed in there as well...
What an awesome home away from home! Loved the river and the area. So beautiful and what a fishery. I will be back for sure!
I hope you killed every bass you caught from that river. They don't belong there.
@@zone4garlicfarm I did, the first fish I ever killed on purpose went on the bank.
@@Jaimelapoesie You should have cooked it. Smallmouth bass are quite tasty when they come from clean water like that. I host a big fish fry every year where I serve a few hundred filets of Rapid and Magalloway River smallmouths.
Do the salmon have a preference on your cigar brand?
Haha! They prefer any smooth Dominican. Appreciate you watching, Perry.
Make sure her up and get back home
Thanks for watching, Roadside.
The knot for your fly to tippet can you name it? Would like to see that one.
Hey Michael. I use a Davy knot to tie my fly to tippet. Tightlinevideo does a great video on it. Super easy and strong.
@@OldDominionTroutBum Thank you. Awesome video 👍.
Appreciate it, Michael!
What is your leader in this film.
It is 24ft of 18mm bi-color Pezon & Michel mono to my tippet ring.
Cuántas ninfas usas para pescar
Estaba usando dos en este video. Pero muchas veces usaré uno dependiendo de la situación.
@@OldDominionTroutBum Pero cuando dices dependiendo de lasituación a qué te refieres ,caudal,río,o estructuras del lugar?
What line are you using?
My leader is straight 18mm Pezon & Michel bi-color mono to my tippet ring.
@@OldDominionTroutBum I meant the actual fly line on the reel
@@flycast4224 I have Cortland braided core Euro Nymphing line.
@@OldDominionTroutBum thank you!! I use laser line straight to my sighter line.. it’s great, but limits how far I can cast it.
A mono leader will definitely help you with more distance and sensitivity as well.
Down fall of micro leaders is the wind. Unfortunately
Actually, I believe micro leaders do better in the wind…The ticker the leader, the more wind picks it up because of the larger surface area. The thinner you go, the less sail effect you have.