@@LadyDragonsbloodWhen Triple H crashes the wedding and shows the video of him and a very unconscious Stephanie getting married he makes a comment like "it's not a question of if we consummated the relationship, but a question of how many times".
I remember being at my friend’s watching the PPV is was so sad. I remember crying in school the next day and of course the Monday night raw was sad as hell 😕
and the frustration at the time when they had Owen doing the Blue Blazer stuff.. There were some funny moments because it's Owen, but I viewed him as midcard+, while the BB felt like a lowcard jobber. Just wasting his talent and the whole repelling thing was played out after Sting had been doing it through 97 when building for a big money match. Wishing they'd just drop that stuff already, then hearing on the news that he'd fallen to his death. Couldn't believe it until I saw Raw and even then it was surreal.
Took me a while to process even while JR was dead pan at the camera saying “This is a real Life…situation” very sad..I had gotten his autograph a short time before that when they were in town for an MSG house show at the South Street seaport 😔
They messed up Owen return so bad, but it was HBK and HHH killing his momentum politically. They easily could’ve gotten Owen the belt at the rumble, Shawn wins it back at Feb PPV, then drops it to Austin
@@PontFlair He really has been a disappointment so far, hasn't he? Never seen his work from Japan but have to assume that he was legit a big deal for WWE and AEW to compete over him. Putting him with the Bucks (and Jack Perry) in that bullshit new Elite is most definitely NOT it...
Yep for non-wrestling fans they will love it but for wrestling fans they were disappointed since they already know almost all the info about Vince and wanted to know more which Netflix didn't provide. I think it's fair to say the doc ain't bad but for wrestling fans perspective, they expected more insight.
And that's why it's great. Yes, those people like us, uber-marks and wrestling enthusiasts, already know this shit. The casuals are the ones who are going to, as you said, eat this up.
I'd say, for the uninitiated this was a good introduction to WWE history. It gives a lot of things interesting and yet hides a lot more. But to us wrestling fans, this was mostly a rehash of what we already know.
It's like you people read a resume of the documentary on wikipedia without even watching it. We got to learn about the dynamic within the McMahon family, Vince and Linda's relationship, Trish's insight on her storyline with Vince etc. I've been a wrestling fan for two decades and I learned a lot of stuff because of this documentary
He’d be alive today if it wasn’t for DX. When he first appeared as the Black Hart after the screw job the pop was huge. They could’ve made so much out of him. It always makes me sad
15:41 it seems like they planted the seeds of the Attitude Era when Bret started the Hart Foundation in May of 97’ and later on when he called HBK and Triple H degenerates. Bret doesn’t get enough credit for ushering in the Attitude Era.
Vince had a rape fetish. When Andre had his hair cut, Vince kept trying to cite the story, "The Rape of the Lock." I knew immediately that Vince was not talking about theft.
I love you Jim but to honest and a kid from the 90’s and living in New York …. DX was superrrr popular and a lot of people I knew who watched wrestling loved DX …..
Dx was "popular" with school children who liked to run about middle school pointing to their crotch and yelling "suck it". Real adult fans knew HHH & HBK were fruit pops. Bret said it then, because it was true.
The culture of the 90s was very sexual. The attitude era wasn't out of left field. Beyond Jerry Springer there was Howard Stern, Beavis and Butthead, music videos, rap, sexuality in movies. If anything, the attitude era should have started in the early 90s.
One thing about the Attitude Era and money - the 80s boom birthed a lot of kid wrestling fans who might have been able to talk mom and dad into going to a show once or twice or buy a licensed WWF toy at ToysRUs. Maybe if they were lucky they could get a shirt from the catalog. But in the Attitude Era these kids had part time jobs and could afford to go to shows, could buy a 316 shirt at every store in the world, and would drive to see RAW and try to get on TV.
Exactly. That's why it's never been far fetched to me that Steve Austin sold more merch than any one before him. Because at that time the merch was available everywhere and there was more of it. But also key were the designs of the clothing. A shirt that says Austin 3:16 with a smoking skull on the back is a lot cooler than a yellow shirt with Scott Hall's face almost covering the whole front.
it bothers the hell out of me wrestlers say vince is like a father to them or a father figure. i remember cm punk once said, "i already have a father. you're my boss."
@@mykoniichistorychannel Considering how distant he is with his son, that must have been even more baffling to him. 😂 I remember Cody said Vince gushed to him about how special it was to be a father to a daughter when he resigned with the WWE. But on a serious note, that industry used to be full of messed up guys with difficult childhoods and it's hard to say Vince didn't take advantage of that.
As for Vince claiming fans did not or could not see Owen's fall. His death/accident was the 4th story Philadelphia news. They even picked up at least 3-4 fans talking about it based on local news reports. "we thought it was part of the show until we saw the ringside staff jump in to help him"
@@mattst.germain4023 look at it this way, they were pushing Sable like crazy as if she was this perfect, prime specimen of a woman but then over here you had Sunny who blew Sable out of the water, was noticeably younger and far more attractive.
Totally agree with your take on the so-called bra n panties era, that's when I started to stop paying attention. And what happened with Owen was just too much to bear.
Jim nailed it with the whole, "Netflix viewers" observation. A guy who I work with who watched wrestling as a kid in the early 90's is watching this. It's all new territory for him, including the behind the scenes stuff we all knew about already.
Unpopular opinion : Attitude era took wrestling to the height of its popularity but consequently it also brought forward the downfall of wrestling. The entertainment portion was amped 100% but the wrestling quality took a nosedive.
Wrestling quality is not important. Stories and characters are what matters long term. Great wrestling means absolutely nothing. We watched stone cold/ Vince McMahon feud because of the emotions. Not because of matches.
Yes because the wrestling quality of hulk hogan, ultimate warrior, and the iron sheik was amazing. What ruined wrestling is people caring too much about the quality of wrestling.
@@mrnicemam8523ofc it's important Bret vs Austin at WM 13 or Bret vs Shaw in an Iron Man Match or Roddy vs Bret at WM 10. Quality matches should be the icing on the cake.
The way Jim Neidhart was released and shipped off to WCW was hilarious. DX convinced him to join their group, as a way to step out from Bret's shadow. Michaels and Hunter turned on Anvil, then spray painted him WCW. What a parting gift.
Brian doesn't know what he's talking about, apparently. Women being objectified was TOTALLY on TV all the damn time. From the late 90s to the early 2000s. From coverage of young women musicians and their suggestive music videos to women in sci-fi programs like Star Trek being complete eye candy to infomercials showing scantly clad women to daytime talk shows that also featured scantly clad women... it was everywhere. I don't know why he's suddenly acting like it wasn't a thing.
Ah, yes. The disingenuous argument. An infamous tactic used by those also well versed in doublespeak, gas lighting, and victimization. These damn southerners have got to go.
The McMahon documentary doesnt Tell you anything at all about McMahon It's basically an infomercial to advertise the WWE on Netflix It's an introduction in history of the company, so you know what to watch when Raw comes to Netflix
The docuseries is mainly for non-wrestling fans. But it did highlighted Vince's psyche mainly on 2 fronts First Owen Hart's death. Vince explaining why didnt he stop the PPV that Ppl came to see a PPV not a dead. A nd the female referee Rita Chatterton , if SA did happen the Statute of limitation was over. What innocent man will ever say that line.
Personally, I found the doc to be VERY underwhelming. A lot of the info was already known to many. All this did for me was remind me that Vince McMahon was a lot like TV Preacher Jimmy Swaggart. McMahon and Swaggart had crappy upbringings, they got into their family businesses in order to gain things they didn't have in childhood (power and wealth), and they both got caught with their pants down. Jimmy Swaggart survived his sex scandals (he's still preaching and making money off the poor and desperate!). McMahon is not going to survive this.
The documentary is good for non-wrestling fans who wants to know bout insights of Wrestling business and Vince, but for wrestling fans who already knew about Vince it was nothing knew. I think Dark Side of the Ring will give a better glimpse at Vince horrendous activities behind scenes.
Vince is the perfect example of how America is in no way a meritocracy. Vince grew up as a trailer park kid and would have stayed that way had he not found out that he was secretly the child of a tycoon. If he'd not swam out of that particular man's balls, he would have been in the trailer park until the day he died, which would have probably happened 20 years ago.
I think what hurt Owen the most in 98 was Austin not wanting to work with him. He was never going to be a top guy if THE top guy wasn't going to work with him. Owne got a raw deal, though.
@@fc775 yea Bill Simmons doesn’t like the rock for sure and by the cleaver editing, seems to not like Steve Austin either. He loved his Hulk Hogan though.
I was in college during the Attitude Era and the Monday Night War while it was a big era, the repercussions after 2000 were beyond disastrous after all the hotshotting and the loss of viable competition. 2000 became 1979 Knoxville on a national scale. It took until this year and a change in leadership for things to recover.
Tony Atlas has so many well liked shoot interviews on YT. He's funny, has an interesting take on things, and isn't afraid to speak his mind. I'd say, that's why they asked him.
They really needed to stop the show (for many reasons) but like cmon how can you cut a goofy promo about tits after a man fell to his death in the ring and then the painful irony of the undertaker coming out immediately after, the show shouldn’t always go on
Warehouses and offices across America in the 80’s were plastered with pictures of ads with companies promoting their products with swimsuit models. So it WAS everywhere at the time
Being a part of the target demo fanbase of the attitude era, I can tell you DX and the suck-it gesture was in fact a HUGE part of why the product was so captivating in the late 90s for us fans. Not sure why they're hating on it here.
Everybody who had personality got over despite vince vince has always been completely tone deaf "red rooster" anyone perhaps bringing up Jake's drinking in promos forcing lugar down everyone's throat I could go on
He was also tone deaf when it came to how much he was shoving HBK down our throats during his first title run. “THE MOST RESILIENT, THE MOST CHARISMATIC…”
28:06 There's a great edit of that "Come out here" clip where after he says the line it cuts to Vince strutting down the aisle. I think it's in a Promo Joe video iirc.
According to Bonnie, she came in to help WWF's product in terms of storytelling. She knew nothing about wrestling but enjoyed working with Vince and learning the business. Vince's relationship with Bonnie kept WWF alive as he managed to use her as a liaison between himself and the network.
"Come on out, you rapist" was Vince calling out Triple H in the brief period before Stephanie's heel turn. DX held a girl down in the locker room for Triple H and it was STRONGLY implied to be Stephanie and they had their way with her. Hence Vince's line. Turns out it wasn't Stephanie, just some college girl and everybody breathed a sigh of relief. So.. that makes it alright?!
I think this episode is the one where Netflix gets Jim's name wrong. There's a clip of Vince coming out onto the ramp and you hear Jim Ross say "Jim Ross here with James E. Cornette". However the subtitles give his name as "James T. Gordon".
THIS was the craziest part of the whole doc. Stone Cold up until that point had shown himself one of the more level headed of his generation and then that happened.
Between Jim's McMahon omnibus and Cultaholic's History of the WWF/WWE there is no real reason to watch this 'documentary' because nothing in it is unknown.
WWE accomplished what they'd always wanted.... when people go to a show, they go there for WWE. They don't go there for one star in particular. They always just wanted the brand as the star and now it is. Yes, they make more money but the wrestlers themselves have less power. Everybody is replaceable.
Cena was really the last true star bigger than the company. If WWE had lost Cena in 2005-2013 they would have been screwed. Even Roman and Cody are replaceable now
Austin vs McMahon is an endless feud. That's the beauty of it. It's timeless. Adults will always wanna harass and beat the hell out of their bosses. It resonates with people worldwide. It helps that Austin and Vince portrayed their characters. Because with anyone else it may have fizzled out. It's the Tom and Jerry of wrestling. Cat vs Mouse. It can never be duplicated
Pretty sure Vince meant the pay-per-view audience didn’t see what happened because they were in a video segment or whatever, but then JR told everybody anyway. So none of that makes any sense.
They were supposed to have Mike Tyson in February 1990 for The Main Event also at Joe Louis Arena. But he quit after losing to Douglas. Went to that one.
I actually remember and loved when Vince cut that promo telling the audience "having your intelligence insulted...good guy vs bad guy" moment was good imo not bad
Yes, I’m so glad Bryan and Jimmy brought this up! Well, today’s WWE makes way more money than they did in the attitude era, the attitude era superstars were mainstream superstars! Meaning they were on all the talk shows, and more importantly, mainstream USA knew who Stone Cold Steve Austin was. Mainstream USA knew who the rock was, mainstream USA knew who the undertaker was,mainstream USA knew who Triple H was and so on and so forth down the roster! The attitude error superstars were all household names for the most part. It wasn’t even just the main event players. It was even Mid that were considered household names back then. I don’t think we’ll ever see the of that again.
Absolutely it’s not even comparable to anything today. There’s zero chance your everyday person knows who the hell Ronan Reigns is let alone the rest of the card lol
Correct me if I’m wrong but HHH claimed in the documentary series that he floated the idea of the double cross to Vince. Jim has said he floated the idea to Vince.
I think a few people in Vince and Shawn's ear would've suggested it at different times. I have no doubt that Triple H was one of them. When it actually happened, anyone that said it probably thinks it was their idea, when it was more of a group effort.
Jim and Briian mentioned in these clips that they didn't speak much on his personal life, Why his mom lived in a trailer park, why didn't Sr. see him until he was 12, what his friends thought of hm, etc. not necessarily his "dirty stories", stories about the man, which for a documentary about him I think is lacking.
🤣🤣🤣 When Vince said "Come on out you rapist!" he was addressing Triple H shortly after the Vegas 'wedding' with Steph.... 😜
Guess he wasn't wrong huh
He was looking in a mirror that he saw in his head.
@@jdixon390 Triple H has not done that to anyone so not sure what you mean.
@@LadyDragonsblood in storyline he did, watch the episode
@@LadyDragonsbloodWhen Triple H crashes the wedding and shows the video of him and a very unconscious Stephanie getting married he makes a comment like "it's not a question of if we consummated the relationship, but a question of how many times".
I graduated in 99' .Everyone was wearing Austin and NWO shirts. And of course doing the suck it crotch chop lol
We even had an NWO gang in my high school, lol.
Graduated in 2001. Boy did we LOVE crotch chopping in the direction of substitute teachers and telling everyone to suck it. lol we were monsters.
I was class of 99 too. Everyone was quoting Stone Cold and The Rock, and doing the crotch chop.
I was Class of '98. The original Austin 3:16 shirt and the nWo were the most popular in my school from '96-'98.
The doc only reinforced that we all believe Vince lives in own weird universe. And that its a miracle Shane is as normal as he is.
Seriously. Shane is the only one who I’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about.
And we must point out that Shane put his body through a Lot of stuff a normal human wouldn't, but in comparison he is so normal
@@mykoniichistorychannelYou have heard bad about Linda?
Cornette rips SKIDMARK farts
@@AndreDourado777Shane was the true heir
The Owen incident still hurts to this very day 25 years later.
I remember being at my friend’s watching the PPV is was so sad. I remember crying in school the next day and of course the Monday night raw was sad as hell 😕
I remember just being in shock from it, trying to convince myself it was "a work bro".
and the frustration at the time when they had Owen doing the Blue Blazer stuff.. There were some funny moments because it's Owen, but I viewed him as midcard+, while the BB felt like a lowcard jobber. Just wasting his talent and the whole repelling thing was played out after Sting had been doing it through 97 when building for a big money match. Wishing they'd just drop that stuff already, then hearing on the news that he'd fallen to his death. Couldn't believe it until I saw Raw and even then it was surreal.
Took me a while to process even while JR was dead pan at the camera saying “This is a real Life…situation” very sad..I had gotten his autograph a short time before that when they were in town for an MSG house show at the South Street seaport 😔
They messed up Owen return so bad, but it was HBK and HHH killing his momentum politically.
They easily could’ve gotten Owen the belt at the rumble, Shawn wins it back at Feb PPV, then drops it to Austin
Hogan made Vince a millionaire, while Austin made Vince a billionaire.
Nah going onto the stock market and going more family friendly made Vince a Billionaire.
@@FSLong1 can't have the 2nd success without the 1st.
@@wjl2068 Pretty sure he had already gone into the stock market in 99, you goober. And Austin never made him a billionaire, that's ridiculous.
The sky is above me and the ground is beneath me. Facts.
Hogan > Austin. Call me a Puritan, but the Attitude Era was disgusting garbage and Austin was its leader.
Jim’s Vince omnibus is the real Mr McMahon documentary.
Yeah it would be great to make that into a doc.
I'm not watching 12 hours of Vince McMahon.
“He was a father figure to me. Yeah no shit John Cena. You are dressing like him now? What’s that about” 😂😂 That just got me for some reason
He better ask Warrior how much that means to Vince; “I have a son”. 😂😂
I did not realize that until I read this comment but you’re absolutely spot on with that!! Now I cannot unsee it.
“Perception is reality”
*dies hair black, grows moustache and injects face with botox in order to dodge sexual abuse allegations*
Is it just me or does Vince is looking like an old Okada on that thumbnail???!? 😜🤣🤣
Finisher - The Crapmaker?
Okody*
@@PontFlair He really has been a disappointment so far, hasn't he?
Never seen his work from Japan but have to assume that he was legit a big deal for WWE and AEW to compete over him.
Putting him with the Bucks (and Jack Perry) in that bullshit new Elite is most definitely NOT it...
@@_JC_21*Ocodi
Old Ocody
My wife knows very little about wrestling but ate this doc up. She loved it and was legitimately shocked by Vince and his actions
And she is the person that this documentary was made for. It's not made for the Dark Side of Ring crowd.
Yep for non-wrestling fans they will love it but for wrestling fans they were disappointed since they already know almost all the info about Vince and wanted to know more which Netflix didn't provide.
I think it's fair to say the doc ain't bad but for wrestling fans perspective, they expected more insight.
And that's why it's great. Yes, those people like us, uber-marks and wrestling enthusiasts, already know this shit. The casuals are the ones who are going to, as you said, eat this up.
@TheGreat_Kramer1 You say that like it is this terrible thing. Not everything wrestling related needs to cater to us.
@sullyb23511 You can hear the disdain when aloud when they type "non-wrestling fans"
Remember, Vince was a secret investor in ECW, so he just took aspects of that product & rolled it into his product = Attitude Era.
6 hours long and it basically was just the history of WWE or the history of professional wrestling documentary rehashed for modern eyes
I'd say, for the uninitiated this was a good introduction to WWE history. It gives a lot of things interesting and yet hides a lot more. But to us wrestling fans, this was mostly a rehash of what we already know.
I think the best Vince doc we get will be independently done by someone who does a lot of research.
Exactly
It's like you people read a resume of the documentary on wikipedia without even watching it. We got to learn about the dynamic within the McMahon family, Vince and Linda's relationship, Trish's insight on her storyline with Vince etc. I've been a wrestling fan for two decades and I learned a lot of stuff because of this documentary
Bro it a compilation of previous wwe docs with min of vince goss at the end, it was so weak
I loved the Black Hart stuff. They totally dropped the ball with that
He’d be alive today if it wasn’t for DX. When he first appeared as the Black Hart after the screw job the pop was huge. They could’ve made so much out of him. It always makes me sad
@@Scarrowscant one thing I'll never forgive those two for, taking it out on Owen for no reason just to get back at Bret
Mf I was about to go to bed 😭
Where do u leave bro
Waiting for your next synced video to drop.
@@rajakghosh6602 it’ll be up by Wednesday
@@abhishantshetty6962 I work 3rd shift
Me too. Now I'm up for another hour
15:41 it seems like they planted the seeds of the Attitude Era when Bret started the Hart Foundation in May of 97’ and later on when he called HBK and Triple H degenerates. Bret doesn’t get enough credit for ushering in the Attitude Era.
Facts, Bret and Shawn laid the foundation for the Attitude Era
I went back and watched '97 a few years back and Bret was at the center of everything. He was amazing.
No facts. Diesel's promo after Survivor Series 95 was the genesis of the AE.
Lol clarification for Brian, Vince was calling HHH a rapist lol
Vince had a rape fetish. When Andre had his hair cut, Vince kept trying to cite the story, "The Rape of the Lock." I knew immediately that Vince was not talking about theft.
I thought it was Undertaker, during the Stephanie gets kidnapped bit
@@RonnieKnuckleNope.
I love you Jim but to honest and a kid from the 90’s and living in New York …. DX was superrrr popular and a lot of people I knew who watched wrestling loved DX …..
Brian read differently in an AOL Chatroom in 1998, so them sucking is gospel.
Dx shirts lined the school halls man I remember this vividly. More dx shirts than rock shirts.
Dx was "popular" with school children who liked to run about middle school pointing to their crotch and yelling "suck it".
Real adult fans knew HHH & HBK were fruit pops.
Bret said it then, because it was true.
HBK and HHH was the best part of the show. I was 13, it was cool af
Jim can't get past his personal feelings when it comes to anything involving Shawn Michaels.
The culture of the 90s was very sexual. The attitude era wasn't out of left field. Beyond Jerry Springer there was Howard Stern, Beavis and Butthead, music videos, rap, sexuality in movies. If anything, the attitude era should have started in the early 90s.
"You never knew which Shawn was gonna show up" to be fair, neither did his opponents, booking, production, or Shawn himself 😂
One thing about the Attitude Era and money - the 80s boom birthed a lot of kid wrestling fans who might have been able to talk mom and dad into going to a show once or twice or buy a licensed WWF toy at ToysRUs. Maybe if they were lucky they could get a shirt from the catalog. But in the Attitude Era these kids had part time jobs and could afford to go to shows, could buy a 316 shirt at every store in the world, and would drive to see RAW and try to get on TV.
Exactly. That's why it's never been far fetched to me that Steve Austin sold more merch than any one before him. Because at that time the merch was available everywhere and there was more of it.
But also key were the designs of the clothing. A shirt that says Austin 3:16 with a smoking skull on the back is a lot cooler than a yellow shirt with Scott Hall's face almost covering the whole front.
it bothers the hell out of me wrestlers say vince is like a father to them or a father figure.
i remember cm punk once said, "i already have a father. you're my boss."
Or like Vince said during the Warrior A&E biography, “I have a son”. Makes me laugh every time.
You really shouldn't let the actions and opinions of complete strangers bother you to that extent.
Well if you don’t have a father figure or a strained relationship with your father,Vince used to have a very close mentor relationship with his stars.
@@mykoniichistorychannel Considering how distant he is with his son, that must have been even more baffling to him. 😂 I remember Cody said Vince gushed to him about how special it was to be a father to a daughter when he resigned with the WWE.
But on a serious note, that industry used to be full of messed up guys with difficult childhoods and it's hard to say Vince didn't take advantage of that.
And also a mother figure according to the Warriors own mom.
As for Vince claiming fans did not or could not see Owen's fall. His death/accident was the 4th story Philadelphia news. They even picked up at least 3-4 fans talking about it based on local news reports. "we thought it was part of the show until we saw the ringside staff jump in to help him"
Well, there's "3-4" out of the 15k that were there.
Talking about Sable, even in 1998 and me a young teen I thought she looked old.
Well yeah any young teen would think a 31 year women was old lol..
Probably all that facial surgery
@@mattst.germain4023 (at the time) I didn't know what age she was. The chest, the face, whatever, just an "old" look.
@@ymca4547 I can kinda see it 👍
@@mattst.germain4023 look at it this way, they were pushing Sable like crazy as if she was this perfect, prime specimen of a woman but then over here you had Sunny who blew Sable out of the water, was noticeably younger and far more attractive.
The "come on out you rapist" memes that have come out after the Vince stuff have been gold
Stephanie's reaction to WWE employing Mike Tyson after he had been convicted of rape was PRICELESS!!!
It’s amazing how Tyson was still able to have a career even after his conviction. Then again it was before the social media age and metoo eras.
I don't really buy it. I'm her age and find it hard to believe she didn't know that at the time
1997-2001. What a time to be a fan. Back when you couldn’t miss an episode. The whole world was watching.
Yup, and WWE is back to that now. Now every episode of raw and smackdown is must see
@@mrnicemam8523 lol
@@mrnicemam8523if you like 800 year long title reigns and a bloodline story that drags then sure
@@YeTism bloodline story is not dragging at all. Come on now man.
I didn't miss an episode from '93-'01.
I know I'm getting ahead of myself but I have to say it: Bruce Prichard is an absolute weasel. He stooged right to the end. Mf'er.
I can’t stand Bruce in this thing.
Loyalty. Nothing but Street respect for Bruce. OG would go to prison for 30 years for Vince.
@@naturallawman2965 Loyalty to a deviant? Nah.
I think Vince has always come off as kind of a nutcase, I dont think I have ever seen him as anything but a money over people kinda leader.
Austin changed everything going forward , the amount of 3:16 t shirts in the crowd from late 96 to 98 was incredible 💀💀
I never wanted one.
Totally agree with your take on the so-called bra n panties era, that's when I started to stop paying attention. And what happened with Owen was just too much to bear.
That’s when I stopped watching. They lost me for a good 20 years.
That's why I started watching!!! What the hell are you talking about 😂
I hated the stupid bra n panties who wanted that crap oh wait vince such a bad time for womens wrestling
27:20 onwards is golden, Brian’s laugh strikes again 😂😂
He’s got the best laugh I’ve ever heard.
Jim nailed it with the whole, "Netflix viewers" observation. A guy who I work with who watched wrestling as a kid in the early 90's is watching this. It's all new territory for him, including the behind the scenes stuff we all knew about already.
This seems more like a WWE doc than a Vince doc 🤔
It's a documentary of WWE throughout the Vince years.
Well Vince was the WWE until 2020ish.
@@MysteicVoltronusUntil 2022
@@jocam21and a relatively kind one at that
If there's one thing we've learned it's that he doesn't have much of an identity outside of the WWE
Vince’s purple lips are killing me lol 😆
So hilarious
The documentary tried to claim that DX were responsible for bringing in the Attitude Era.
They’ve tried that BS before. I don’t get it.
There is always so much revisionist history going on, and Steve Austin gets weirdly downplayed
They did along with Steve Austin
But they were a huge part of it, just a fact of life. Massively over in the early transition into the AE.
They were tho
I still chuckle thinking about when Tyson flubbed up and called Austin "Cold Stone" ! Haha .
The bra and panties era coincided with the take off and popularity of Girls Gone Wild.
Tits!!!!!
Unpopular opinion : Attitude era took wrestling to the height of its popularity but consequently it also brought forward the downfall of wrestling. The entertainment portion was amped 100% but the wrestling quality took a nosedive.
Wrestling quality is not important. Stories and characters are what matters long term. Great wrestling means absolutely nothing. We watched stone cold/ Vince McMahon feud because of the emotions. Not because of matches.
**Vince Russo has joined the chat** @@mrnicemam8523
Yes because the wrestling quality of hulk hogan, ultimate warrior, and the iron sheik was amazing. What ruined wrestling is people caring too much about the quality of wrestling.
@@mrnicemam8523ofc it's important Bret vs Austin at WM 13 or Bret vs Shaw in an Iron Man Match or Roddy vs Bret at WM 10. Quality matches should be the icing on the cake.
@@aro327and ppl got tired after a while. After having seen all the entertainment, PPV has to be sold based on wrestling.
The way Jim Neidhart was released and shipped off to WCW was hilarious. DX convinced him to join their group, as a way to step out from Bret's shadow. Michaels and Hunter turned on Anvil, then spray painted him WCW. What a parting gift.
Love it! Long live D❎️!
@@Hidelgoalvarez68 What?
Brian doesn't know what he's talking about, apparently.
Women being objectified was TOTALLY on TV all the damn time. From the late 90s to the early 2000s.
From coverage of young women musicians and their suggestive music videos to women in sci-fi programs like Star Trek being complete eye candy to infomercials showing scantly clad women to daytime talk shows that also featured scantly clad women... it was everywhere. I don't know why he's suddenly acting like it wasn't a thing.
Ah, yes. The disingenuous argument. An infamous tactic used by those also well versed in doublespeak, gas lighting, and victimization. These damn southerners have got to go.
Relax bro lol
@@Credo-rq1nc No.
Not to mention other tv shows like Married with Children being incredibly popular.
@@TheMillerMilitia married with children was one of the best shows of all time
Brian Last: The most annoying thing out of the attitude era is the "Suck it"
Me: Meanwhile the WHAT? chants
But when did the "What?" chants start?
Wasn't it after WM17? Maybe they are attributing "What?" to the Ruthless Aggression era?
What?
Exactly!!! I hated the WHAT bs
Saying "What?" completely neutralizes "Suck it"
What is just annoying, crotch chops is a legit insult
“Vince was convinced.” Con-Vinced! use that wow thats gold. championship gold! pal
Michaels and HHH were real life MEAN GIRLS to Owen. Like literally that’s the only way to describe it
False. They loved Owen and Bulldog. Couldn't stand Bret though.
HHH and his crocodile tears on the Raw is Owen tribute show.
i was like 13 and i told my mom to suck it at which point she was pisst and we had an awkward conversation about what 'suck it' meant.
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Mother - fellate me.
HBK was the one who cut a promo equating Owen Hart to a Nugget.
The McMahon documentary doesnt Tell you anything at all about McMahon It's basically an infomercial to advertise the WWE on Netflix It's an introduction in history of the company, so you know what to watch when Raw comes to Netflix
The docuseries is mainly for non-wrestling fans. But it did highlighted Vince's psyche mainly on 2 fronts
First Owen Hart's death.
Vince explaining why didnt he stop the PPV that Ppl came to see a PPV not a dead. A
nd the female referee Rita Chatterton , if SA did happen the Statute of limitation was over. What innocent man will ever say that line.
Did you really expect any different though? lol
@@thewhitelodgery yes
Personally, I found the doc to be VERY underwhelming. A lot of the info was already known to many. All this did for me was remind me that Vince McMahon was a lot like TV Preacher Jimmy Swaggart. McMahon and Swaggart had crappy upbringings, they got into their family businesses in order to gain things they didn't have in childhood (power and wealth), and they both got caught with their pants down. Jimmy Swaggart survived his sex scandals (he's still preaching and making money off the poor and desperate!). McMahon is not going to survive this.
Jimmy Swaggert can't tell me nothing about Jesus
I agree, there were only a few gems In there and the last episode was probably the better of them all
I think Vince having control over the content of his own “hit piece” means he totally will survive this but you could be right.
He wasn't going to survive the allegations anyway, docuseries or no docuseries.
The documentary is good for non-wrestling fans who wants to know bout insights of Wrestling business and Vince, but for wrestling fans who already knew about Vince it was nothing knew.
I think Dark Side of the Ring will give a better glimpse at Vince horrendous activities behind scenes.
Vince is the perfect example of how America is in no way a meritocracy. Vince grew up as a trailer park kid and would have stayed that way had he not found out that he was secretly the child of a tycoon. If he'd not swam out of that particular man's balls, he would have been in the trailer park until the day he died, which would have probably happened 20 years ago.
I think what hurt Owen the most in 98 was Austin not wanting to work with him. He was never going to be a top guy if THE top guy wasn't going to work with him. Owne got a raw deal, though.
It’s a shame they never got to reconcile after Austin’s injury I think Jim Ross said something about that in his book
Jim and Brian are offering alot more insight than this "documentary" did.
Brian hit the bullseye when he said that they didn’t cover Steve Austin’s impact on the business.
Or rock
@@fc775 yea Bill Simmons doesn’t like the rock for sure and by the cleaver editing, seems to not like Steve Austin either. He loved his Hulk Hogan though.
@traviskemp6222 yea which means we can't trust him
'96 to '01... Greatest Time to be a Fan🤷🏼♂️
Through 05 for me.
I was in college during the Attitude Era and the Monday Night War while it was a big era, the repercussions after 2000 were beyond disastrous after all the hotshotting and the loss of viable competition. 2000 became 1979 Knoxville on a national scale. It took until this year and a change in leadership for things to recover.
Tony Atlas has so many well liked shoot interviews on YT. He's funny, has an interesting take on things, and isn't afraid to speak his mind. I'd say, that's why they asked him.
Oh these are issued swiftly lol more timely than the wrasslin’ ty lol
Vince was calling out Triple H during that promo because he married a passed out Stephanie and claimed he "consummated" the marriage as well.😬
Jeff Jarrett praying for Owen and then immediately talking about Debra's tits was ridiculous.
They really needed to stop the show (for many reasons) but like cmon how can you cut a goofy promo about tits after a man fell to his death in the ring and then the painful irony of the undertaker coming out immediately after, the show shouldn’t always go on
How bout Val crying while thrusting his pelvis?
Warehouses and offices across America in the 80’s were plastered with pictures of ads with companies promoting their products with swimsuit models. So it WAS everywhere at the time
Why does vince look like cody with lipstick in the thumbnail?
Being a part of the target demo fanbase of the attitude era, I can tell you DX and the suck-it gesture was in fact a HUGE part of why the product was so captivating in the late 90s for us fans.
Not sure why they're hating on it here.
They're hating because they are grumpy old men and they think it's cool to hate on the 1 time wrestling was actually cool
These videos are better than the whole documentary
Totally agree they didn’t point out Austin’s success enough and how he was the biggest the industry has ever seen.
The Montreal Screw Job was the first time we understood how Vince was tone deaf concerning who the fans love.
Also wrestlemania 9
Everybody who had personality got over despite vince vince has always been completely tone deaf "red rooster" anyone perhaps bringing up Jake's drinking in promos forcing lugar down everyone's throat I could go on
He was also tone deaf when it came to how much he was shoving HBK down our throats during his first title run. “THE MOST RESILIENT, THE MOST CHARISMATIC…”
@@NastiMarvastiVince clearly got ticked at Survivor Series 96 when JR said he thought Bret could beat Sid or Shawn that night
28:06 There's a great edit of that "Come out here" clip where after he says the line it cuts to Vince strutting down the aisle. I think it's in a Promo Joe video iirc.
The "Attitude Era Speech" was shots fired at WCW. It was necessary.
"I'll teach you to witness" was DIABOLICAL
"She's got a face men like.....too bad a man didn't get it." I swear Jim is the best.
But Brock’s her husband tho 🤔
Bwuahah i love Vinces purple lips..like he's freezing cold haha
According to Bonnie, she came in to help WWF's product in terms of storytelling.
She knew nothing about wrestling but enjoyed working with Vince and learning the business.
Vince's relationship with Bonnie kept WWF alive as he managed to use her as a liaison between himself and the network.
"Come on out, you rapist" was Vince calling out Triple H in the brief period before Stephanie's heel turn.
DX held a girl down in the locker room for Triple H and it was STRONGLY implied to be Stephanie and they had their way with her. Hence Vince's line.
Turns out it wasn't Stephanie, just some college girl and everybody breathed a sigh of relief. So.. that makes it alright?!
Apparently - if it's a rando, it doesn't count?
I think Vince was talking about HHH after he drugged and married Stephanie 28:05
‘I heard a double shovel burial.. and as someone who has conducted a few of those, I don’t see it yet’ 😂😂😂😂
32:07 💀sing it Corny 😂😂😂
I think this episode is the one where Netflix gets Jim's name wrong. There's a clip of Vince coming out onto the ramp and you hear Jim Ross say "Jim Ross here with James E. Cornette". However the subtitles give his name as "James T. Gordon".
Cornette 3:16 says thou shall not kiss Vince McMahon's ass.
Thou shall only play with his excrement
“Thou shall NOT land a car on my fucking fence!”
But Pat's on the other hand 😅
I'd love to see Vince suggesting that to Jim. He'd have been wearing that tennis racket around his neck.
Pat Patterson 3:16 says I just thumb'd your ass!
Austin 3:16 says I just don't believe in CTE. 😬😬😑😑🤥🤥🙃🙃💀💀
THIS was the craziest part of the whole doc. Stone Cold up until that point had shown himself one of the more level headed of his generation and then that happened.
Yeah that was bizarre. The one thing Austin has ever said that I've disagreed with.
I feel like he felt pressured to deny it to stay in "good graces" with the industry.
Seemed like he didn't even believe what he was saying.
Did he deny CTE itself, or that CTE was the reason for Benoit?
@@barbecueCAT_ He outright denied CTE even being a thing. And right next, they cut to Chris Nowinski further explaining how real CTE is.
Between Jim's McMahon omnibus and Cultaholic's History of the WWF/WWE there is no real reason to watch this 'documentary' because nothing in it is unknown.
28:20 the HBK eye settlement/punishment had me dien 😂😂😂😂
The docuseries should've made a deep dive into Vince's childhood. It would've finally explained why Vince is the way he is.
It's hard to do a deep dive when no one is talking about his childhood.
Vince won't discuss his childhood
Maybe his nieces and nephews or sister in law knew some stuff.
Didn't surprised me these 2 always played down HBK and his DX influence towards the Attitude Era
DX to me was always HHH, Chyna, New Age Outlaws and Xpac
WWE accomplished what they'd always wanted.... when people go to a show, they go there for WWE. They don't go there for one star in particular. They always just wanted the brand as the star and now it is. Yes, they make more money but the wrestlers themselves have less power. Everybody is replaceable.
Cena was really the last true star bigger than the company. If WWE had lost Cena in 2005-2013 they would have been screwed. Even Roman and Cody are replaceable now
It’s an odd juxtaposition though in that what they don’t want is people chanting the promotion’s name like all the indie promotions + AEW does.
@@YeTism They was never really was interested in Cody or wanted to push him in to being a big star until he went to AEW
Shocked Jim is letting Triple H take ownership of the screwjob idea
Austin vs McMahon is an endless feud. That's the beauty of it. It's timeless. Adults will always wanna harass and beat the hell out of their bosses. It resonates with people worldwide. It helps that Austin and Vince portrayed their characters. Because with anyone else it may have fizzled out. It's the Tom and Jerry of wrestling. Cat vs Mouse. It can never be duplicated
I think Jim's absolutely right though, when Austin hugged Vince, a lot of people tuned out lol
I remember Triple H crying like a baby when Owen passed... interesting to here Owen wasn't "Kliq approved"
He wasn't crying, he was pretty clearly making it seem like he was.
@@Rjensen2 a man died tragically.......relax
A lot of wrestlers weren’t kliq approved, but that doesn’t mean they wanted them to die.
@@stephengalindo9089 Oh knock it off. Triple H was very clearly making it up at the time.
@@1stKindChris Relax? What are you even talking about?
Did you really think Triple H was being genuine?
If so, why the crocodile tears?
Travis Heckel on point with the artwork once again .
“Claylike to the touch.”
You know, like, when you grab a woman's breast, and you feel it, and it feels like a bag of sand
Pretty sure Vince meant the pay-per-view audience didn’t see what happened because they were in a video segment or whatever, but then JR told everybody anyway. So none of that makes any sense.
@jonjones9917 🤦♂️
They were supposed to have Mike Tyson in February 1990 for The Main Event also at Joe Louis Arena. But he quit after losing to Douglas. Went to that one.
I thought vince was calling out hhh when he said that line if i remember correctly
I actually remember and loved when Vince cut that promo telling the audience "having your intelligence insulted...good guy vs bad guy" moment was good imo not bad
Yes, I’m so glad Bryan and Jimmy brought this up! Well, today’s WWE makes way more money than they did in the attitude era, the attitude era superstars were mainstream superstars! Meaning they were on all the talk shows, and more importantly, mainstream USA knew who Stone Cold Steve Austin was. Mainstream USA knew who the rock was, mainstream USA knew who the undertaker was,mainstream USA knew who Triple H was and so on and so forth down the roster! The attitude error superstars were all household names for the most part. It wasn’t even just the main event players. It was even Mid that were considered household names back then. I don’t think we’ll ever see the of that again.
😂😂😂
Absolutely it’s not even comparable to anything today. There’s zero chance your everyday person knows who the hell Ronan Reigns is let alone the rest of the card lol
To be fair, Stephanie started after Tyson's appearances and probably never paid attention to his career.
Correct me if I’m wrong but HHH claimed in the documentary series that he floated the idea of the double cross to Vince. Jim has said he floated the idea to Vince.
Everyone takes credit for that idea
@@DavidDexterGamingmy money is on Cornette. I’m surprised Jim let that one go..
I think a few people in Vince and Shawn's ear would've suggested it at different times. I have no doubt that Triple H was one of them. When it actually happened, anyone that said it probably thinks it was their idea, when it was more of a group effort.
I was shocked that J.R. wasn't interviewed considering he was sort of Vince's right hand man through the mid to late nineties.
Probably due to his AEW status.
It seems more like Brian just wants scandalous dirty stories about Vince vs Vinces actual personality and upbringing.
In fairness both seem to go hand-in-hand
Jim and Briian mentioned in these clips that they didn't speak much on his personal life, Why his mom lived in a trailer park, why didn't Sr. see him until he was 12, what his friends thought of hm, etc. not necessarily his "dirty stories", stories about the man, which for a documentary about him I think is lacking.
DX was definitely over with the original Trio. Us young elementary schools kid ate it up 😂😂
Austin 316 says I'm not a CTE guy
Owen must have dropped him on his head harder than I thought.
@@mykoniichistorychannel yes
I was shocked to hear that too.
@@alexandermacdougall7873 k
The thing that has been new is Vince blurting out things with zero realization of how disturbing (and disturbed) he sounds. That has been fascinating.
One good thing about the whole Vince McMahon doc is that we don’t get to hear Russo or see him
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was never brought up at all behind the scenes, cause he’s such a non factor in this.