Voddie Baucham Says THE CHOSEN Breaks the Second Commandment?
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- Voddie Baucham Says THE CHOSEN Breaks the Second Commandment?
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Actually... indiscriminately agreeing with what Voddie Baucham says is more of an idolatry than watching "The Chosen" is 😅
THAT PART!
Did I just hear the John Cena music kick in after reading that?
@@BlessGodStudios Weather you all like it or not you all can’t deny that by watching certain figures or characters that are compared to God or Jesus there are people which when they pray they either intentionally or accidentally think of that specific image and therefore commit idolatry.
Deuteronomy 4
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
@@alfredomaldonado6614 if your understanding of Christ is limited to Jonathan Roumie the actor than you don’t have the Holy Spirit. Don’t give man more credit than they deserve.
@@brianhubler356 The problem is that is exactly what has happened. People are looking at Roumie AS JESUS and he has had to correct them.
They've also been plugging in non-Biblical elements into the story. That's borderline heretical.
Sometimes, Christians can be so caught up in trying to find errors until they forget about sharing the gospel. I don't have images of what Jesus looks like because I don't know. I worship Him in spirit and in truth. However, someone who is conveying a message through acting out the Bible is not the same. The Bible that we have in English was translated but there are words we use in our language that is completely different in another language. We should always pray and ask God for the proper interpretation of certain scriptures for our time and culture. Let us stop backbiting each other and start sharing Jesus, the hope of glory. Shalom.
No we are caught up in blocking deconstructionist and ear tickling social engineers acting like they believe in the Christ of the Bible. From trying to set a new narrative of the never Changing God and his Word .
@@IrishTemplar Thank you my brother and may the peace of God be with you always in these troubling times. Look up for our redemption draws near. Shalom.
We can also study Hebrew & Greek.
@@heatherlj2847 We can but not everyone has the means. Even when Jesus spoke to His disciples in parables, they didn't understand some of what He was saying so they asked Him and He made it clear. Acts 4:13 is an example of spending time with Jesus. Shalom.
Amen!
The Chosen Inspired me to seek a Bigger Relationship with Jesus . Inspired me to pick up my Bible and Learn more about who Jesus Was .
What.. Read your Bible
@@ChristianLetuli "WhAt "?? did you not read the whole comment . Focus on the plank in your own eye homie
that’s what the bible is for, people nowadays just seek to be entertained…
You should had been like that anyway. If you were a Christian before you watched the chosen, then how come you werent seeking him before. Stop making excuses for this show
@@JoanArc-or9sr What an awful comment lol. As Christians we’re supposed to be happy when people find inspiration to be closer to God. Shaming them because they were led astray at some point is not Biblical.
I love Voddie, but I personally feel that this is more of a personal conviction than a violation of the 2nd Commandment. If you don't agree with it or your conscience doesn't allow you to watch it, then dont. But also don't knock it down for others.
Well said 👏
But if he was asked then he answered
Well you gotta understand his conciseness tells him it’s idolatry and if he doesn’t “knock down for others” like you said he would also be doing something morally wrong? So who’s correct?
Weather you all like it or not you all can’t deny that by watching certain figures or characters that are compared to God or Jesus there are people which when they pray they either intentionally or accidentally think of that specific image and therefore commit idolatry.
Deuteronomy 4
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
Agreed ❤
The Chosen has lead so many more back to reading the bible and going to church and so many more people looking into Christianity than has happened for a long time
I’ve learned a lot from watching the chosen , this guy is missing the bigger picture
Be carful you don’t want to fall under the fallacy of the ends justify the means.
Weather you all like it or not you all can’t deny that by watching certain figures or characters that are compared to God or Jesus there are people which when they pray they either intentionally or accidentally think of that specific image and therefore commit idolatry.
Deuteronomy 4
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
@@alfredomaldonado6614so explain to me why Jesus said he'll leave d 99 sheeps to save d missing one.
If u r christian, u know d rules and commandments. Many people don't even know d name Jesus and This show has helped alot. So ur saying bcuz of a few people who lack knowledge to differentiate idol from d ordinary, it os better to risk other people going to hell... Have u even read ur bible and see what it says??
Read Mathew 24 where Yeshua warns that there will be MANY false Christs. Leading people to churches that tickle their ears and creating a god in their own image.
Walk circumspectly and pray for every human being. We are in the Era of Deception that may fool even the elect.
Yes. I agree with the premise. We never want to say, but look at the results. Whether we approve or disapprove of the Chosen, we should never use "results" as a biblical reason for doing it.
Angel Studios released a documentary "Jonathan and Jesus" that goes into Jonathan Roumie's experience portraying Jesus and how people see him as Jesus himself and his challenges with that. The Chosen is always very clear that they don't want you to worship the show itself but instead build your relationship with Christ and enhance your view on Scripture
Romans 14 comes to mind. Personal conviction. We should stop trying to waste time in these secondary issues and share the Gospel. If I’m wrong, please God, fix my mistake🙏🏻✝️🕊️
I think you’re correct. If you can’t watch it in good conscience then don’t. I respect his conviction
So well said 👏
@@mrtimn sooo true... It's a personal thing.
The problem with what your saying is that his personal conviction isn’t just that it’s a violation of the second commandment but that if he also doesn’t speak against it than he would be doing something morally wrong so than where does your personal conviction kick in if they both conflate and have to conflate each other?
Also if what he’s saying is true how in the world can you really say it’s a secondary issue and it’s about idolatry?
Weather you all like it or not you all can’t deny that by watching certain figures or characters that are compared to God or Jesus there are people which when they pray they either intentionally or accidentally think of that specific image and therefore commit idolatry.
Deuteronomy 4
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
I think we should be careful that in using artistic license that we do not make Jesus into an image of our imagination instead of who the Bible says He is. This idea would fit in with the 2nd Commandment because it is not about just making a physical item to worship. It's also about not making any likeness which could be a mental image that does not reflect truth to worship. And if this TV show were to cause someone to stumble at the 2nd commandment it would be in creating a false mental image.
However, regarding the commandments we also need to be careful of the 9th commandment when using artistic license. The 9th commandment is often thought of as 'do not lie' but more accurately it is to not bear false witness. We need to remember that the people in the Bible who believed in Jesus are very real people and that we will meet them in the Kingdom someday. To make an insinuation about who they are without evidence in the Bible to back up the claim could be bearing false witness about them. And frankly I wouldn't want any of them coming up to me and asking why I portrayed them improperly.
Finally, I refrain from watching shows about the Bible all together because over the years I have found stuff like that is usually not completely accurate to the Bible. And it is easier to not get something stuck in your brain than to have to unlearn something stuck in your brain. And perhaps it is also because of an early Christian rock song I used to listen to by White Heart called 'Read The Book (Don't Wait For The Movie)'.
Omg! You explained that perfectly.
All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up.
1st Corinthians 10.23
Perfectly said!
What the real problem ppl have is that the show is popular. There have been thousands of depictions of Jesus and other Bible characters. But it’s fear, fear dictates that they must denounce bc ppl might base their faith on a tv show since they love the show. The creators don’t encourage worship of the show or their depiction. It’s not blasphemy. We’re talking about ppl who believe evangelism and Christian works should be boring. Ruslan is correct. It’s the individual’s responsibility to pick up the Bible, grow in faith, whatnot. The show isn’t doing something wrong simply bc they made s quality product.
The problem with the Chosen is not that it is fanfiction. It is that it rides the thin line on pretending that it is not. and that people do, incorrectly, interpret that the Jesus in the show is comparable to Jesus.
Also if it’s questionable, then it shouldn’t be done. God is not the creator of confusion.
I'm not incredibly bible savy, but are the stories in the chosen not the same as in the gospels?
Season 2 episode 2 a character says "love is love" there is no line
@@vinzetti22 there's certain scenes which portray Jesus doing things that go against his character, like when Nichodimas kneels and kisses his hand, Jesus asks "what are you doing" as if questioning why he's worshiping him, which when compared to several verses in the bible which show Jesus never stopped someone when it came to worshiping him, whether it be peter, or John or anyone else.
It might not be breaking the literal 2nd commandant but i fear like it goes against the spirit of the law, to make an image of god in your mind that contradicts what we're taught in scripture- god's word.
@@Ereve_ I didn't take that scene as him trying to stop Nicodemus, I took it as him trying to get Nicodemus to say what he already knew..... just like in Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone." In that verse, Jesus is trying to get someone to admit that they know he is God, not telling them to stop.
At the end of the day, God can use even the worst things to draw people to him (not saying the chosen is the worst lol). But that's also what my mom cited. She used to listen to Joyce Myers when she was a new Christian, and Joyce was what got her into Christianity. As she grew, she realized Joyce wasn't really all that biblical, and had many theological issues, but at that point the seed was planted, and she then started seeking out other sources.
Great video. I love the Chosen and I by no means idolize the Chosen or any of the characters in it. Watching it definitely made me want to be closer to the real Jesus in a way that I had been before but fell back from. It makes me wish I knew Jesus back then and want a better relationship with Him now. I absolutely loved the guys take on icon vs idol because he was spot on! Great video!
It teaches us more about Jesus. I haven't read the whole Bible, but I've started to. Things like The Chosen, The passion of the Christ make me dig deeper and want to know more.
It’s wrong if you’re image of Jesus is of the actor, I do fear that some people imagine Jesus as that actor now even subconsciously. Not that you are but perhaps others may and I think that may be why it says in the bible not to create idols with your hands out of anything in heaven above.
Wish I would’ve seen this before breaking my sobriety. Pray for me to get over my wife leaving me, and to replace this dark feeling over me during this season. God bless y’all
Praying for you.
Will be praying for you and your wife.
Praying for you brother
Weeping endures for a night but joy comes in the morning. It'll be alright my brother in Christ. Don't allow people who may not appreciate you to distract you from what's important. Keep your eyes on God, stay in his will for your life, and everything else will fall in line.
"For I know the plans I have for you. To bless you and never to harm you. To give you a hope and a future." ❤
I'm sorry this happened. Prayers for peace and strength
There was a video that Voddie responded to where the wife of a pastor said she sees the actor in her mind when she thinks of Jesus and Voddie said that is dangerous and that he won't try the show because of stuff like that. I saw it a few months ago. I don't remember what channel it was on.
I saw that video too
That's one of the reasons I personally don't watch the show or like to look at depictions of Jesus
Oh alot of chosen fans many female say they see the actors face when they pray because they need a human face to pray.
When I watched The Chossen season 1 a year and a half ago. It drew me to WANT to read the Bible. I had always had conversations about religion with a close Christian friend of mine and had been seeking the truth for my whole life. I always felt i needed to actually read the Bible instead of just referenceing bits and pieces, but once I watch The Chossen I felt so inspired and compelled to do so. And shortly after, God gave me a Bible (could be a whole other story)! And I read/listened at work till I finished, and have been on my journey of growth in relationship with our Father ever since. So I'd say THAT is the whole point to the series. Like you said, to point people in the right direction!
It is very clear you are not born again. The Chosen brought you closer to the religion of works and not to the Salvation in Jesus Christ.
@Jessica
You said the key word... RELATIONSHIP!
This is what Father God desires. Jesus Christ did not come into the world to give us religion but to restore mankind's relationship with God, which Adam caused us to lose when he decided to obey satan. May God continue to bless you on your journey. Can I recommend an excellent minister to you? His name is Joseph Prince; a great teacher about grace, God's love for us, and righteousness (right-standing with God) which is a gift.
@@VynachadzavyIt is incredibly clear that you're Calvinist. No sir, YOU are concerned with works based salvation. Jessica references the relationship with God, NOT how many "good works" she does.
YOU'RE the one concerned with her works. Not her.
You are not representing Christ, you are representing Pharisees.
@jazshas I am sorry but Joseph Pince is NAR and heretic.
@@SeanWinters have at her dude
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It what the image becomes. Like the Christmas tree. In many homes, the Christmas tree is worshiped.
@BlessGodStudios ask Voddie to come on the show and explain for himself what he means. I'm sure you two would hit it off well and would make for a fun listen.
Unbelievable
Watching The Chosen hooked me in. I went out and bought a bible and started reading it because of this show. I have been lost for a long time and because of this show i could hear Jesus calling me back into his light. I agree that this is a great way to get peoples attention to grab a bible.
I tried to watch The Chosen. I just can't get into it for some reason.
Good, don't good into it! It might be from the Bible,but it isn't the Bible. The Lord can give salvation!😊
If Jim Caviezel was Jesus would it be different? The actor looks a bit off
And that's totally fine. It's not a necessity.
@MisertheWizer No. I don’t think that it’s with the actor tbh.
@@MisertheWizer I like Jim's portrayal n have always liked The Passion but my reason for not liking The Chosen has nothing to do with that. I think it might be the way they talk. They use very modern words. I watched a few episodes from the first season and I liked the woman at the well scene but I just fell off from watching it.
In the very beginning of the first episode it specifically says that the show is not a replacement for reading the Bible and that they changed some of the stories to make them fit AND it encourages the watcher of the show to read the scriptures for themselves
Yet we as humans have fallen to sin and are not perfect yet. Do you want to a take chance of one single person falling to idolatry that previously wasn't?
@MossEYE-
But if the show has reignited a considerable amount of interest for Christianity, is that idolatry? Or would the show become more like an icon, in that it points us back to God?
@@pinesandtraplinescould you not argue that I could therefore create any blasphemous show about Jesus with a bunch of lies in it and that would equally get people interested in the bible. Does that make what I did right? No and that person may read the bible AND believe some of the bits in the chosen so therefore not have a true understanding of Jesus
@KingLudds
But theres a difference between creative writing, which the show does and is openly saying it's not 100% accurate to scripture, and outright lying with intent to deceive. If I say: "____ is my opinion about the Bible", would you say Im leading people into some sin because Im clearly stating an opinion but others dont understand that I stated its my opinion? Would that be my fault, or theirs?
@Lee-km7qq
Are you referring to the blessings and curses found in Revelation? Becuase the New Testament is an "addition" to the Old Testament, which is also the word of God, because the OT wasn't written at the same time as the New Testament.
Chosen is historic fan fiction. Christ is the full Spirit of Truth. Fiction is fantasy, which is not real or not true.
Voddie, I believe, also takes issue with pictures of Jesus that people keep in their homes for the same reason.
He should then get rid of crosses too.
When I began to back away from The Chisen, was when Jonathan Rhoumie in character said Jesus is A Way rather than THE Way. Subtle but powerful. I haven't watched an episode since. Such a shame. I used to love the show.
@@Truelamb2024 it is in series 3, but I would have to research again. It was many months ago, but I will get back to you.
I am curious where that can be heard as well.
@emilyroseellis when I get chance I will look for it, but I played it through a few times to make sure I wasn't hearing things.
@@dougitoonsdesigns Rough. Thanks for the heads up.
I literally think that they went too far with this. Why Because Satan has a way of taking something that started out really well and turning it upside down. I've seen comments posted on social media talking about when Jesus cried I cried and I had to back up and say hold on This is an actor This is not Jesus. And that's where the thin line is with me. They're actors portraying actual people. That lived years ago so I think that viewers need to be really careful because it's easy for Satan to take something that was harmless and cause it to become an idol but people don't understand that.
NO IMAGES means NO IMAGES. Fully agree with him. It’s a direct violation. I fear for these people when they stand before God.
Goed gezegd.
Do not fear, God didn't grant us the spirit of fear, it's the devil's work... fear is a liar...and so is Satan.
How can it be no images, are you not the image of God, furthermore this was a specific law made more specific stating graven image as if made of stone in which at the time there was a history of making for idol worship, yet point is understood to modern times yet every law of the Jews was not transferred over to the covenant with Christ! Most importantly we are again the image of God esp if we have believed in Jesus name, even stronger than that you are not just the image, are you not the body of Christ himself with the purpose of presenting the gospel. That’s what the show is doing as long as they stay true to the word! It’s not a graven image, it’s a vessel being used if appropriately that God be known and worshipped.
The chosen is helpful for bringing Christianity into a new sphere of culture, but for me personally it gets in the way of my own reading of scripture. There are too many leaps in the show that I can’t unsee when I do my own time in the word (I.e. Matthew having a form of autism, or extra-biblical lines). It’s a barrier that I just can’t get over. I don’t hate on people that watch it but I tend to think it does more harm than good.
I agree. I know the way my mind works so I think even the harmless extra-biblical things in the show would negatively affect my reading of scripture
We also need to realize that people in the Bible were real people. I'd hate to be the writer of any Biblically based show that took artistic license with someone's character and have to explain to them why I caused multitudes of people to see them in a wrong way.
Now this is a compassionate & effective communication.
You captured the essence of may favorite Qoute a out unity of the church in diversity of opions, "In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love"
@@IntentionalityMentor I really appreciate that!
While I might disagree, THIS is the right response for chosen haters.
"I don't like it because it's a stumbling block for me" is a fantastic reason. Romans 14 all day, baby!
Thank you for accurately showing your disagreement in a biblical way. Many need to take your example to heart.
This is why we can't have nice things. Some Christians will complain about not having good, faith based and pure movies and shows, but then those same people will complain and nitpick Christian shows. I love the Chosen and I believe it sticks to the Bible for the most part. It's silent on what the bible is silent on, and speaks up on what the bible speaks on. What exactly do they want from Dallas?
More like not exactly. It is not silent where the Bible is silent. It takes artistic license and fills in things that reading the Word would not produce in your mind. For example no where in the Bible do you get the idea that Matthew was autistic.
True. I'm sad because I loved The Chosen. This show is one of the instruments God have given to gather my family and talks about Jesus. It also helps me to push on reading the Bible. I loved movies/films and I'm searching for a Christian movies/film until I found The Chosen (I'm aware that they don't act fully the gospel, still, they are biblical)
Also, Matthew and the other people in the Bible are real people. We will one day meet them, at least those who believed Jesus. I would hate to have to apologize to them for causing falsehoods to be believed about them.
@@tjhunter3530where does the chosen say Matthew is autistic
@@tjhunter3530 Not autistic but the way Matthew is portrayed as a social outsider is pretty accurate as tax collectors working for the Romans were seen traitors by Pharisees back then. So the way he´s portrayed as someone rejected by his family is not just an artistic invention but could have been his experience. But if the show tried to follow the Bible verse there would be even more of a problem since now one could argue that they try to replace the Bible.
I watch the show with 1 Thessalonians 5, 21 in mind.
I become skeptical of people that have something to say about a series that is meant to promote the Gospel. Yes it might not be 100% accurate because no one that is alive now lived then so it would be hard to get everything perfect. Do they have to get the B rolls perfect as well? Chosen brought me even closer to Christianity and I am happy that there’s a new show that promotes Christianity. All this scrutiny reminds me of how the Pharisees acted when Jesus was on earth. You can’t please everyone. Thank God the whole point is to worship and please God.
Everyones mental image of Jesus has come from modern media. Whether its illustrations from a catholic bible, a childrens bible, The Passion, one of the countless movies made over the years. Most of us picture him based on someone's illustratied vision of him. This is silly.
RIIIIGHT?!!!
For years, the way we imagined Jesus was as a white European. So why are we dividing over this?
Not really sure where the white european thing came from. I surely never saw that depiction, but I agree with you @@aaromotivestudio3869
That's the very issue. If people adhered to the 2nd commandment properly you won't have such mental images of Jesus based on some human's creative imagination.
If it brings one soul to Christ then it is worth it.
Appreciate this. And in the video played, there is the quote, "worship is the highest point of your attention."
We've never seen or heard of a single person who has made The Chosen or Jonathan Roumie or his portrayal the highest point of their attention. All we ever hear is that the show has caused people to make Jesus and the Bible the highest point of their attention when it wasn't before.
That's all YOU have heard
Thanks for commenting here, Dallas. People are really missing the mark and getting legalist about this, citing weird possibilities instead of recognizing the impact your show has had on people who don't know Christ and on Christians who see Christ as so much more distant from us than He was and is. I see Christ in your work and through the actors you have telling His story. It is absurd to imagine anyone worshipping the show or any of the people on it. Thank you for sharing the Gospel.
And, if he REALLY feels this is true, then he should be campaigning against EVERY movie and EVERY church depiction of JESUS for Resurrection plays and skits in EVERY church in the world along with EVERY play that ever been and will be done, not just this series. If the Lord has a problem with anything that we do, He definitely knows how to tell us and He will.
Exactly my thoughts!
Unfortunately many people can't tell the difference between what's in the Bible and what isn't.
@corychartier7961. That's exactly my thoughts. That's why I don't like the Chosen.
The problem is they can't do that with Shakespeare, so why should a new show about Jesus that tells you it is fiction based on Scripture be condemned for their ignorance? They are in trouble already, at least the Chosen can inspire them to seek Christ.
@DavidWayne81 the reason is obedience our responsibility is to obey God. Doing something for God in disobedience is sin. God took the kingdom from Saul for doing things his way not God's. In John chapter 1 the Bible makes it clear the Word of God and Christ are the same so mishandling the word and creating false images in man's head is disobedience
A mere human portraying the Lord Jesus Christ becomes an idol.
Love the chosen, its a great show and has brought some of my family closer to Jesus.
We don’t worship actors we worship the being that inspired those actors aka Jesus himself 👏🙏
Icons are idols. They bow to them, they pray to them, they kiss them. Looks and quacks like a duck. Just because the Church has a tradition doesn't mean it's good.
You listen to absolutely nothing of this video, and I feel bad that you seem incapable of that
The sad part about it is, after reading hundreds of comments, you’re the only one who gets it.
I've just recently become a catechumen for a Greek Orthodox Chuch in my area and I had a question similar to your statement. The priest said this to me, "We hold reverence for the icon because of Christ who lived in that person, not the person that lived." Which is similar to Jonathon's view of icons pointing to Christ and then to God. - 13:10 I think when Jonathon mentioned how idols were worshiped and depicted in the OT is very different from how icons are venerated today. - 12:00 I'm sure many people end up worshiping icons, turning them into idols, but I think that's a flaw on their part not the Church as a whole. This is a very interesting topic that I know basically nothing about, but I thought I'd share and I appreciate your point of view!
@@jada3858 The only object that comes to mind where an image was created that represented God in the way they describe their icons doing is the bronze serpent. It was commanded by God directly to be built. Two quick points, God only commanded that the Hebrews look upon it to cure the snake venom, and later it was destroyed after they erected it and began praying to it and God praised it's destruction.
@@Shane_The_Confessor I’m sorry, I’m not well versed in the OT and that's why I relied on Jonathon earlier. So, I’m sure some of what you’re saying is going over my head. But, I think you’re saying icons will inevitably become idols, correct? I don’t really have an answer/rebuttal for you, I can say it’s a slippery slope though. I find it helpful to remember (when I’m towing the line) why you’d kiss them (veneration), pray to them (intercessory prayer), and bow to them (prostration). And the fact they were human meaning: they were flawed in some way and therefore, not divine, helps. If my priest and his predecessors all agree icons don’t (generally) and weren’t made to break the 2nd commandment. Then, I have to trust them because 1. I’m new to Orthodoxy and they know more then me 2. I tend to practice with my heart rather than my mind and icons give my heart great comfort! Thank you for this nice and respectful dialogue. It’s nice to have conversations relating to Christianity that remain civil. I found you don’t engage in much as a Christian, with fellow Christians or non believers.
I agree Rus. I watch The Chosen with my Bible open. It's like watching them act out the show, while the script (the Bible) is in my hand.
Except that half of those scripts are not biblically based so sweetie, you’re making an idol out of the show, whether you realize it or not
@@paulan7218you cannot accidentally idolize.
@@paulan7218no he is not. You Protestant over react for anything that it’s and “idol” 😂
Exactly what Voddie was talking about lol
@@paulan7218 Disagree. U R over reacting. No one made a IDOL of the show. They just plain enjoyed it!
The Letter kills but the Spirit gives life. A good example of letting the law kill a good ministry.
Did Vodi say the same about The Passion of the Christ?
Exactly, or any other show or movie portraying Jesus, even cartoons
Does anyone not care about what Gods word says .
I couldn’t really care less what Ruslan John macthur or Voddie agrees with or is oppossed to ,
If Gods word is clearly saying Do *NOT and I continue to *DO .
Can I expect blessing from God ?
@@markhunter9646 So there shouldn’t be Christian tv shows or movies because some people MAY take the actors image as Gods image? Some people see their pastors as another God incarnate, does that mean there shouldn’t be pastors? This is why we can’t have nice things, because people abuse it and condemn the rest of us
Idolatry is literally anything that takes the place of God in actual life or in your heart. Like Ruslan said WHO IS REPLACING THE WORD FOR CHOSEN!
I thank God for Dallas creating the Chosen. It brought me to salvation. I started watching Christian Videos bc of seeing it, and ultimately gave my life to Christ. Thanks Dallas, I will always be grateful!!! The Chosen is reaching so many people who would never go to church.
Yooo! Hype for this
There was a lady that said she saw “Jonathan Ramey” (I don’t know how to spell his last name) but she sees him every time she prays. I read her statement myself it was disturbing.
That's disturbing how? Shes not praying to Jonathan, shes praying to Jesus. Jonathan is just a mental image she uses to help her visualize, since yk. We dont know what Jesus looked like.
If you really, truly think a lady praying to Jesus is disturbing in any way, you need to humble yourself.
@@lilblock3564 you know, every time you point your finger at someone you have three pointing back at yourself. That lady’s post that I read was very disturbing. Just so you know, I do ask for my Lord God Yeshua to convict and change my heart and prune and anything of me that is not of Him!! You should try it!!
But that is still a "personal problem", that has nothing to do with the show merely existing. Which is more the point many are making, which is frankly just goofy lol. You can make an "idol" out of a cheeseburger 🍔, that doesn't make eating cheeseburgers idolatry lol.
4:28 I thing the difference is that someone going on someone else's tv or radio show, is different than establishing a long lasting partnership or permanent association. Two different things.
Bingo. Right on.
Well said hey
I love watching the Chosen. It is a great tool to share Christ. I had a friend that I was patiently sharing with over four years give her life to Christ watching the Chosen. Today we talk about Christ, share His word and Pray together and almost never talk about the Chosen except when is the next movie is coming out.
Ruslan, bruh you do an excellent job processing through these topics. I'm not just blowing smoke just thankful that you take the time to be measured and grounded in your perspective. God bless you and yours Sir.
A simple analogy would be someone making a biopic about Ruslan, and 75% of the film were made up stories about him, but Ruslan fans were obsessed with it and talked about how much more they loved Ruslan and deepened their understanding of him. See the problem here?
Have you watched the chosen
That is not a good analogy
Yeah the problem is with the lazy viewers who do not think, not the creators of entertainment "based" on some historical facts.
@@fabionpettigrew195 Why?
First of all the most of the stuff that happens in the chosen are events that happened in the Bible so saying 75 percent is made up is wrong also there is nothing wrong with a show that deepens people’s love for Jesus
This worlds’ in iniquity; the scripture says make no carved image, or any likeness of anything…. The OR includes “The Chosen”. Devils love to play with words.
Words are not the only thing that Satan likes to play with. There are many forms of bowing and worshiping. I believe it can be a literal bowing down to worship or a mental situation. So we can take scripture out of context in order to fit it to our agenda but it's still doesn't make it right.
I am thankful for the series The Chosen. I homeschool...it has become required to watch and essay writing on each episode. It has brought my twin teen boys close to God. They pray now without any prompts, ask intelligent questions, and have become *Christ Seekers* All my other adult children came to Christ thru traditional ways,but my twins needed something differently. Thank you to everyone involved in the tv series THE CHOSEN. 🙏 CHRIST IS KING OF KINGS AMD LORD OF LORDS❤
I even appreciate the ways the show fleshes out scripture in ways that arent "technically" in the Bible, because it provides excellent opportunities for discussion that ties back to official scripture, similar to questions found at the end of books.
For example, what do we really know about the woman at the well? What does scripture say? What are the possible interpretations of her backstory from the little we are told, and how are these represented throughout church history? In what ways did the show expand her backstory, and how does this provide different perspectives thata are still in line with the character of Jesus and the reason listed in scripture that he came to see the Samaritan woman?
I pray that viddie is awakened and delivered of the spirit of religion in the name of Jesus
And meanwhile, us Catholics are just hanging out in our parishes with our paintings and our carvings and our statues and our music and our Michelangelo, Dante, et. al., and we're just loving that TV show while people like this Voddie dude just don't seem to even like fun.
You have to look at the Chosen for what it is. It's an entertainment piece, it's not a substitute for the Bible, even though it can help someone in their faith, like any other piece of media. If you give that much importance to a series that watching it would be the same to you as worshipping it as an idol, you have the problem.
Exactly, its an work entertainment that porints toward scripture, not something that replicates scripture or replaces it. I remember seeing various live action representations of different part of the bible, and while they were informative and helped present scripture in a more visual manner, they were clearly meant for teaching and were usually dry (even when using drmatic visuals or music).
Did people get this worked up over Disney's The Prince of Egypt? 😅
You’re on it, my brother! Thank you so much for this video!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I agree this can be a personal conviction!!! Yet there are definitely other things wrong with the Show. We as Christians are supposed to be set apart there’s no reason why we should Mormons who believe complete lies about Christ help but a “Christ centered” film together. If ppl are “coming to Christ” yet it’s the wrong Christ there’s no salvation!
Ruslan, love you brother. Love what you're doing. Found your channel a little while back, recent subscriber, keep doing what you're doing. However...I think you're a little off target with your take on this one. I appreciate your conviction and support of the spread of God's word, but you spent the entire episode refuting Voddie's take, and only briefly passed over the danger if he's right. Those deep in the faith can separate the fact from the fiction, but if a fictional television show is your introduction to Jesus, you're getting a fictional Jesus. You're making an assumption that it feeds the Word, but what it's actually doing, by the show creator's own admission, is adding to the Word. The life of Jesus is full of enough content to fill books. A limited television series has no need to add anything.
Regarding your comment that the creator and actors have given the disclosure statement that "this isn't the Bible"...then why are they making the show?
We're all subject to our own conviction. If the Holy Spirit wards someone away from such fictional tellings, who are we to tell them otherwise? With that being said, if God wants to use this show to call people to him, he definitely has the power. My fear is just the opposite, if good can use it, evil will be the first in line to corrupt it. Guard your hearts, there's only one true Word of God. Everything else is false.
The creators DEFINITELY do not claim to be adding to the word. That would 100% be heretical and condemned in the Bible. They have a disclaimer that they are not doing so at the beginning of the show. Nor are they attempting to contradict what is in the word. They are simply playing out the idea of what might have happened in areas that the Bible does not specify… but this is not to say IT DID HAPPEN. They in no way claim this
@jacobbaum6421 Hi Jacob, I appreciate your thoughts, and I understand your position. I want to clarify something, though. It wasn't my intention to insinuate they were intentionally trying to alter Jesus' story. I believe they have good intentions, truly. I love a good Bible story movie, but when it comes to the representation of Christ, that is a road paved with pitfalls. Dallas, the shows creator, had an interview with Kirk Cameron where they both expressed the "filling in of details" using the creative license argument to accentuate the story. Which appears to be a similar perspective you express by "playing out the idea of what might have happened". In my mind, that's adding unsubstantiated parts to the story of Jesus. As if His story isn't compelling enough on its own Biblical merit. Why not tell the story of what we know happened? It just feels odd. I was actually going to give it a shot, but after watching some interviews with the people involved and how they were going about it, it just didn't sit right with me. I would encourage everyone to form their own opinion, but be wary, the story of Jesus is not a trivial thing. The good news is, if truth is what we seek, then truth is what we'll find. Thank you for your comment, Jacob, God bless you on your journey.
@@tryingtodobetter290 I came up with mainly two reasons why they do so: 1. The show is aimed at a public audience so it´s not just Christians should be able to understand but also agnostics. They therefore need to add aspects and storylines that help people understand the characters. The Bible doesn´t say much about Peter and the other apostles just portraying as the Bible does is not interesting enough for a common audience from movie making aspect. So you need to build a story around them to introduce them and help the viewer that´s a stranger to Simon, Andreas and the others build a connection to them. A movie or a show isn´t a sermon the point is to show people the world of the first century AD and make them imagine how they act living in that world. There are many aspect biblical stories take for granted a comment dude may not understand like who are the Pharisees, what´s the sanhedrin etc?
2. If the show followed the Bible verse by verse on could argue they try to replace the Bible. So the critic of a show breaking the second command stays. But the alternative of using an allegorical way as portrayal has also its cons since people might not understand the Christian implications. I recently learned that some people consider Lord of the Rings as Christian. I read all three books and watched all three movies but I never thought of it as Christian and I still don´t.
Thank you for articulating this so well. I have had a hard time explaining my position to Christian's and non-Christian’s as of late and this did it with grace. I watched a few episodes with my wife and we decided not to continue because it in-fact made us feel uncomfortable. To make a non-biblical comparison, other movie adaptations of books like for instance the Hobbit that most read as a child first before there was an actor to portray the character. Did we picture Elijah Wood as the Frotto or Orlando Bloom as Legolas? No. In fact the characters take on its own form in your imagination, that is until a movie replaces it. Now I’m forced to picture these actors instead of the image carved together by the word descriptions from the literature and my own imagination. This could easily be applied to numerus other movie adaptations from books as well classic movie remake’s that no one really asked for. So, to wrap up my point, for those NEW to the faith, this could potentially cause SOMEONE to envision the actor portraying Jesus in the Chosen since they would be very new to the faith. When judging my own heart against the Commandments of God I find it easiest to test my merit against it when I feel I may be in contradiction., “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. Proverbs 9:10. Id much rather miss out on something everyone else is doing than be incorrect and be in opposition to the word of God. Ask yourself... if the whole world is onboard with something these days shouldn't Christian's be hesitant to jump on the band wagon too?
"... if a fictional television show is your introduction to Jesus, you're getting a fictional Jesus."
Well said 🔥
I also wanna point out I've watched numerous adaptations of the Jesus story and I am grateful for all of them coz without them I would never have known about Jesus coz I was brought up in a non religious family who never thought to teach me about him and where I live there have never been a single preacher on the streets or even a priest so I for one am incredibly grateful for the medium of film providing me with that knowledge! without it I would be in the dark. also the chosen was the first adaptation where I was so moved I for the first time balled my eyes out at the realization of what he did for us. that scene where he almost gets thrown off the cliff killed me!
Being able to challenge Christians in such a healthy way so needed. Thank you! Once again.
It's like saying, "We can't trust this person's word, or God will never use this person, because they're sinners." Well, problem is, we're all sinners...this argument doesn't work. I've watched every episode and saw nothing that contradicts the New Testament, while understanding that it's a TV show and not the Bible.
It's not about the platform being presented on. It's the fact that the chosen has now become a stumbling block to people. So many think of Christ as how He is portrayed in the tv show. And the show It's self is putting out alot on study guides and things that don't particularly line up with scripture well. Or the way they say things and do scenes in the show doesn't line up with the bible. In this is where the issue lies. I know they say it's not a replacement for the bible but alot of people are treating it that way. It's on the people doing this to repent, but if the stumbling block was not there then it wouldn't be an issue.
I loved this. Thank you. Jonathon is such a wise man. I have been visiting an Orthodox church and I've had so many people tell me they are worshipping idols...and I'm like no they're not and you don't understand that passage, but they are 100 % convinced they're right.
I thank God for the show for existing. It rejuvenated my walk with Christ, led me to read and study the Bible, and eventually led me to get baptized. God has used The Chosen to bring so many people to Jesus. God bless Dallas and the team for making the show possible :)
Icons can be a problem. When a correct/encouraged practice includes lying prostrate in front of the Icon because the veneration you give the icon "passes to" the one it represents...seems like a distinction without a difference with worship.
The Chosen generates positive interest in Yeshua. Its up to each of us to read the entire bible for ourselves. Its how we develop relationship with Yahweh and come to know Him. His will be done
Dude has been just giving takes like these for a minute. He is just a passionate dude. He is wrong and probably a little prideful. But passionate.
Thank you for this video. Well done!
I too was worried about whether or not I should watch The Chosen. Thanks for the added clarity here!
This is hilarious cuz I was just telling a friend as of late when I read Jesus’s words, I hear the accent from The Chosen
Whenever we read the Bible, we have to use a bit of imagination.... like, ooooh he/she probably (fill in the blank).
The only difference is, Dallas filmed his.
You said that BEAUTIFULLY! It’s historic fan fiction!
That's how I am too since the first season. Anything that makes me scratch my head I went to my Bible for confirmation.
That's exactly the point. To direct you to scripture.
I think there are people that have turned the cast members from The Chosen into idols. You see it whenever the cast members go to events. The way people worship these actors is very much idol worship. Do I think that was Dallas' aim? Absolutely not. I think that those particular fans need to check their hearts and make sure that they are putting The Chosen and the actors in the correct perspective. At the same time, I think that Dallas and the actors need to make sure they are always always always pointing to God.
Everything good comes from God, yet people seembto find it so easy to take anything good and forget the God part lol
Such a great video and discussion! I think what we have to remember when it comes to idols is that it is the condition of man's heart that can turn something completely benign into an idol. For example, God gave instruction for the Children of Israel to load up to take with them, much of the wealth of Egypt. I'm assuming that would have been gold, gold jewelry, etc. Those things were not being worshipped by Israel, but when their hearts went astray from God, their hearts instructed their hands to fashion that gold and jewelry into an image of a golden calf so they could worship it. The gold items themselves were not idols, they created an idol from them. The Chosen or it's actors is not the idol, designed to take attention away from God. Dallas is careful to stress this message over and over and point people to utilize it as a tool to point their hearts toward God. We would have to throw out every popular preacher, book, devotion, because they can become idols because the heart of man turns them into such. The message to people has to be, guard your heart....do not allow anything to replace God. But certainly we can utilize good resources to point us or guide us to God. What would Voddie say about Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ. I personally know many people that came to a saving relationship with Christ after watching it. I think there are bigger issues we can address here. If you know someone watching The Chosen, DISCIPLE THEM! Don't miss a fantastic opportunity that has been teed up perfectly to disciple them. I disciple several women and have occasionally used The Chosen as a tool to point them to and lead them through Scripture to follow and obey Jesus and strengthen their faith.
LOVE this channel and am certain God has you at "such a time as this' to be doing exactly what you're doing. Keep going, brother!
Love your take on this, bro!
I loved the chosen, and can’t wait for season 4, I’m more of a visual person so the show is allowing me to see the parables and story’s I’ve already knew of from reading the New Testament.
I can't watch the scene with the woman at the well without crying. It also made me realize, once i was inspired to read that section of scripture again, that although she is often portrayed as an adulteress or a prostitute, we're only given bare facts. She has had multiple husbands, and her current parter isnt her husband. That's it. She could have been an adulteress, or she could have been a widow several times, or a victim of abuse, etc. Whatever led her to live with a man not her partner, we don't know. So i personally love that The Chosen decided to give her a backstory of a women whose good intentions and subsequent mistreatment led to a life of brokeness and status of an outcast. He SAW her, He specifically went to Samaria FOR HER. We may not know the specific details of why she was so isolated/an outcast, but what The Chosen reinforces was that he cared about her even if society didn't, and he wanted everyone to know that even the outcasts to know their value to God and their opportunity for salvation.
Gets me every time 😭😭
According to Jesus the second commandment is to love thy neighbor as thyself, but to the commandment Vodie is talking about he is wrong because it is not a graven image and it is not being worshipped, he is heresy hunting, making the same mistake the pharisees made in putting all the focus on the letter of the law and missing the true meaning, he should be rejoicing in the fact people are turning their selves to the lord and reading the scriptures some for the first time, this is jealousy pure and simple.
Exactly
This is also the problem with a million denominations. Some people are taught to think this way. It's shocking and that sort of rhetoric makes it hard for all of us to come together but also scares off people looking into christianity
Hebrews 10:20 (NLT)- By his death, Jesus opened a new and life-giving way through the curtain, that is, through his flesh.
This Bible verse is referring to the Temple Veil, thus God Himself is deliberately making a visual image representation of Jesus' flesh. This very clearly says it's permissible to Artistically depict Theophanic Appearances, because Theophanies are Veils, not the infinite appearance of God. God is not restricted to one man, God merely arrived in the form of veils to reach out to us, a man and as a bush in the past.
God said not to depict his infinite form because
A. How can the finite depict the Infinite
B. Choosing to bring the infinite into a finite object leads to Idolatry.
Yet according to Hebrews 10:20, God himself permits the depiction of Veils since God's Veiled forms do not expose God's infinite form.
I've also learned lately that Acting is permitted as a form of Messaging.
Since Jesus' flesh and the Burning Bush and the Angel of the Lord are all Veils, I see no consistency in calling Artistic Veils Sin.
As beloved as Voddie is, if he wants to be consistent with his view that actors portraying Jesus are committing Idolatry, then he must accuse whoever made the Temple Veil for committing Idolatry for making a visual of Jesus' flesh. Even though God permits the Veil as a visual symbol of Christ's Flesh, not according to me, according to Hebrews 10:20.
What's more, Voddie proclaims himself as a "fire-breathing, TULIP believing, five-point Calvinist." Even though Calvinism is dangerously inconsistent with God's Character when you think about it. I know there's a difference between Calvinism and Reformed Theologies, I'm just quoting Voddie himself. Calvinism is dangerous because if we are all pre-determined to Heaven or Hell, what's the point in trying to lead a Good Christian life in the first place?
From what I've learned, I currently believe your right about one thing particularly fayewood1377. Voddie is heresy hunting. According to Hebrews 10:20, this hunting has been in vain in this case. Of course, that depends on the direction of the Chosen crew. If people start worshipping Jonathan Roamie, we'll have problems. If the Chosen crew is merely making a message to Worship Jesus, then that's wonderful. Since Acting, according to what Scripture implies, is just Messaging (period), then I see no sin in Acting as Sacred Veils and Heroes and Villains as long as the Message(s) to Worship Christ and lead a humble life are made clear. I fear Voddie is a legalist. Pray for him and the Chosen Team.
Hence why I am a Confessional Lutheran...
THANK YOU. My thoughts, EXACTLY! How in the world can anything that actually leads/prompts people to read the Bible be considered sinful or heresy?? Ridiculous🙄. That man has said a lot of things that are just crazy. Can’t stand him🤷🏾♀️.
Well said. I appreciate you breaking this down.
You mean to tell me people haven’t been fantasizing about the actor who plays Jesus? That’s not idolatry??
How is it idolatry exactly? Did i miss the part where they worship Jonathan?
So when your church has a Christmas play and they put a baby in a manger, it's automatically idolatry?
I have to agree with Voddie on this one. Look at what the creators of the show said they are actually doing.
Any examples?
And?
@@Jerome616 1 - “Follow Your Heart” - but not to Christ
Jesus meets Nicodemus in The Chosen series, and much of their conversation seems scriptural. There are subtle changes, however, such as adding, "What does your heart tell you?"-a popular Disney line. (Remember, the Bible says, "the heart is deceptively wicked".) Later in the series, Jesus says, "Soon it'll all be about the heart”. Subtle is the nature of such mystic teachings.
It's worth noting that in this same scene, Nicodemus kneels at Jesus’ feet and The Chosen Jesus stops him, telling Nicodemus he doesn't need to worship Him. The Catholic Church hates the worship of Jesus, and The Chosen follows suit.
@@Jerome616 2 - A Hearsay Gospel
Throughout the series, disciples like Matthew and John interview people, running around with notepads and writing down hearsay that will become their supposed Biblical books. In one case, a woman runs by crying, "He healed me!" Matthew, in desperation, calls her saying, "Healed you of what?" The show attempts to destroy the inspiration of Scripture, portraying it as a common book comprised of hearsay.
The Bible says, “Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”. 1 John 1:1-3 declares the gospels as eyewitness accounts, and 2 Peter 1:16 echoes this truth. Yet according to The Chosen, John 21:25 came from Mary Magdalene and not John himself. In their rewritten gospel, The Chosen Mary Magdalene plays an oddly feministic role for that time period and even becomes a disciple, traveling with Jesus. There is a subtle deconstruction of inspiration, transforming the Bible into a book of hearsay and fables rather than truth.
@@Jerome616 3 - An Arrogant Forerunner
In The Chosen, John the Baptist is arrogant, disrespectful, and always questioning Jesus. In one scene, Jesus says he is not ready to get into specifics, and in a flippant voice John the Baptist responds, “You appear to not be ready to get into the specifics on a lot of things”. In a previous discussion, Jesus speaks to John the Baptist regarding incest and adultery, saying, "I understand it is against the law of Moses, but I am here for bigger purposes than breaking rules". This gives the impression from “Jesus” that John, who is about to confront Herod, is uninspired and even foolhardy-and that “Jesus” doesn’t care about the Ten Commandments.
As if seeking attention, John tells Jesus he is planning on marching into Herod's palace to tell him off, and then adds, "My followers will love it." This isn’t what happened! In the Bible, John stated, "I must decrease", so why does The Chosen portray him as arrogant?
The first time I heard Voddie say this I was like when is the last time he read the 10 commandments? Baptists…
Great video!
I think this is a matter of conviction. Which I’m fine with. We should respect each others convictions on this issue
You know what’s funny, the second this video ended there was an ad for a prayer app that has Jonathan Roumie walking you through a bunch of different prayers, the rosary, and other things 😂
Now, of course, he definitely lets you know that he’s the actor, who plays, Jesus, but he definitely emphasizes using the app as a tool to age you, and growing closer to the true Jesus
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You are wrong. In that App ad, Jonathan Rhoumie asked “Do you want to get closer to God?”. It’s you who said Jesus instead of God. Rhoumie as with Jim Cavazel who portrayed Jesus in The Passion of The Christ talked about “God” and not Jesus as with typical Roman Catholics.
@@Landis_Grant your point?
Oh boy, thank you for putting the picture of Jonathan in my mind when praying to God😂. He will be getting a lot of prayers from me I guess.
We are deceived by the desires of our heart.
What’s the difference between someone picturing Jonathon when they pray vs seeing one of the “Jesus’” from a painting ?
None actually .
According to Gods commandments .
They both break his 2nd commandment (not mine , not yours nor Ruslans )
Let no man deceive you .
The commandments are made so clear so that even a child would understand .
& it as children we approach the lord , not as savvy business like influencers , this is not a dig at Ruslan or any one person .
It is simply a fact .
Blessings to all ,
& guys please read your Bible ,
Even the amplified makes it 100 % clear to make no kind of image .
You may go against ,
Or disagree with it ,
But you are not siding with Ruslan or even Dallas Jenkins - you simply going against what God your creator has written .
Blessings
They're both sin
@@anakinSkyhopper91 amen
The Chosen's version of JESUS says, 'I am a way." At least from the clips I've seen. This is a problem. JESUS is the only way not just a way to the FATHER. This is my problem with the Chosen.
What clip is that?
I've watched all the 3 seasons of the show but I don't remember about that clip.
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please reference the season and episode. ive watched all 3 seasons and havent heard that bro
I’ve watched all three season’s multiple times and that’s not what he says.
@ashleydanielson3222 these were clips shown by other UA-camrs. If the source I got the information from was wrong then I'm glad more heresy isn't going out to the public
I love the Chosen, it sparked my interest of seeking and having a relationship with Jesus Christ. The Chosen team just basically preached the Gospels to me through a TV Series.
Thank you I loved watching this one ❤
Voddie is right.
If you pray and see this actor "be true to yourself feelings aside" its wrong.
So, tell us oh wise one- what are we to see when we pray? It is not relevant how He looks in our imagination, it matters that we sincerely seek and worship Him for who He really is, and seek to understand who he really is through scriptures rather than FALSELY create our own notion of who He is- or ISN'T. Can you say for sure that Jesus didn't look like Johnathan? Don't create a false image of Him- you are doing that by arbitrarily saying what He can't look like more than someone is by innocently having an impression in their mind of what He might look like based on what they have seen that makes them think of Him.
whether or not it's truly idolatrous to watch the Chosen, I've already heard people say that, after they've watched this show for an extended period, whenever they prayed or even thought about the Lord Jesus, they pictured the actor who played Jesus in The Chosen. That is not okay.
Yes! When it comes to the icon vs idol discussion! Exactly on point! I don't worship the cross, but when i see a cross it's a reminder of Jesus' sacrifice. I have a nativity scene that i keep up year round. I don't bow down to it, but it reminds me daily of the incarnation.
Amen ! This is what so.many are missing and keep missing !
Great video, praise God. I love the Chosen, and I'm glad that God is using it. I just pray that we as Christians won't fight over our callings from God.
That's crazy that they said when they pray they see the actor guy as Jesus. I have watch all seasons of the chosen and I never for once thought to think of the actor as Jesus when I pray or close my eyes.
I get were hes coming from. But judge a tree by the fruit it bears. That show did miracles for me. I was so moved by the chosen, for the first time I went out and really shared the gospel, and fed the hungry.
You’re justifying the means because of the results which is a fallacy. I don’t know where I stand on this issue honestly but I don’t think it’s necessarily morally right because it helped you in your faith.
So you're saying the TV show has a bigger impact on your Christian walk than God's word? It led you to share the gospel but God's word, the literal gospel didn't? That's backwards my friend
Perhaps one day, we will all believe the same TRUTH, and we will have the same understanding, being aligned with God's will. I can't wait for religion to end! Maybe that is my vision of heaven!?
Bruh, we have baby Jesus all the time in a manger during Christmas!! Come on now!!
I’m doing the same thing your doing. I watch a part of the show and keep saying to myself is this part in the Bible? Then I go to the Bible and start reading. Every time I’ve done that there it is in scripture.
I’ve been reading my bible every day again because although the show is good and I enjoy watching it, the book is always better as the saying goes about shows made from books. Also because of the disclaimer before the first episode of the chosen I find myself watching each show then reading my bible to see what really happened.
How do you feel about parts that are more fiction, but tie in with scripture? Such as the background of the Samaritan woman?
Voddie is awesome
Great video.
The Chosen has is not a documentary, and is not perfect in all that it does... but it has done a far better job of showing Jesus in His historical and cultural context than every other portrayal I've ever seen. I love this show because it is very engaging, IT'S CLEAN, and best of all, it honors God, & it honors the Gospel.