David's dancing was an outward expression of praising the Lord,it was done in the right context, dancing for the Lord in the right context is not wrong at all but one should not do so in a disruptive or provocative manner since God is a God of order,it is tricky to differentiate between dancing motivated by the Lord and his presence and dancing motivated by the flesh especially when the music is good,God judges both our actions and motives, we should check our motives when dancing for the Lord and make sure that our motive is to honor and glorify Jesus, when praising keep your mind focused on the Lord
The man healed in Acts 3 went into the temple walking and leaping and praising God over a physical healing. Salvation is the greatest miracle, so I want to leap and praise in worship even more!
@@johndavidwhitt yes, the issue is not leaping and dancing out of a gratitude which is internally motivated. But the socalled worldy dance with external music, lighgts, and smoke with a pop culture is what the bible is against. Neither David nor the man healed in the temple had such a background and motivation. The OT music were well organized according to the bible.
@@johndavidwhitt I am not against dancing in church by itself but these days some are dancing in church like giving a performance. And also considering dancing like a ministry.
@@SGOV86 Very true....wich is why good churches need set the example on what is appropriate when dancing. Not stop dancing because a handful of mega churches are trying to draw numbers and money. It's like the rainbow.....that's our promise by God. I'm not going to stop speaking or using its colors or telling others about the promise because the LBG alphabet has turned it into a sick motto for all things perverse. Even if I have to write GODS PROMISE TO BELIEVERS...or JESUS'S RAINBOW.... in big bold letters.....it is better to redirect the message in it's proper form....than to abandoned it ❤
Lol these zealot types will fight with anyone about anything. If it brings you any sort of happiness they just say it's a sin and will look for any sort of bible verse that they can twist to try and justify it.
Amen! But the thing is that dancing in church should not be done as a performace like giving a dance show and dancing in church should also not be considered a ministry.
Dance was actually a musical instrument that David also played. Go do the research and you'll find out. Also the way Gods people danced back in David's time was completely different than nowadays.
David danced because the Ark of the Presence of the Lord was back in their midst! How much more should we, the people of God, dance when 2 or more of us are gathered in His Name?! His presence is with us!!!
I do agree. What I dissagree with is when people are giving a dance performance in church. You know. Like all the rest of the people are sitting down and 1 person are a group are dancing in front like giving a show.
There's always a balance in everything that we do.... Dancing for the Lord is not bad but taking it too far is bad.... The Lord delights in what we do to praise Him from the bottom of our heart.... If we really dance for the Lord and led by the Holy Spirit..it will never be too far.... God Bless
Amen to that! What I am against is when one person or a group are dancing in front of the church while the rest of the church members are sitting down and watching like watching a dance show.
Big problem here with this type of exegesis: "Let them praise his name in the dance - במחול bemachol, with the pipe, or some kind of wind music, classed here with תף toph, the tabor or drum, and כנור kinnor, the harp.” מחול machol,” says Parkhurst, “some fistular wind-instrument of music, with holes, as a flute, pipe, or fife, from חל chal, to make a hole or opening.” I know no place in the Bible where מחול machol and מחלת machalath mean dance of any kind; they constantly signify some kind of pipe." Adam Clarke. So no, these two verses you refer to have NOTHING to do with dancing.
@@ArroEL922 actually the word ‘machol’ that’s used in Psalm 150 does mean dancing, not some kind of pipe. That same word is used in Psalm 30:11 where is says, “ Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing (machol): thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness.” It wouldn’t make sense for that scripture to say “thou hast turned my morning into some kind of pipe.” Please read the scriptures for yourself and depend on Holy Spirit to help you understand, instead of trusting in man and their interpretations of scripture.
@@beepeejayj865 You are still incorrect. I don't know how well you know Hebrew, but for me, I know absolutely nothing about this language. So I have to depend on the experts. And THEY have different opinions. So yes, I need to use the God-given capabilities I have, with guidance form the Holy Spirit. In Ps 30:11, that word is use as a gerund while in Ps 150, it is used as a noun AMONG SEVERAL MUSICAL INSTUMENTS. If I were to ask an 11-year-old to pick out the one work that is out of place in the following: "Psa 150:3 Praise him with trumpet sound: Praise him with psaltery and harp. Psa 150:4 Praise him with timbrel and dance: Praise him with stringed instruments and pipe. " he/she would pick out dance, as it is out of place as a verb but totally correct as another musical instrument.
@@ArroEL922 Lamentation 5:15: The joy of our heart is ceased; our dance (māhol) is turned into mourning. The same word is used, this time not as a gerund. According to the “experts” this would translate to “The joy of our heart is ceased; our ‘wind pipe instrument’ is turned into mourning.” That wouldn’t make any sense.
@@beepeejayj865 Are you depending on the etymology only for the meaning of a word? Isn't context more of a factor to be taken into consideration? All I am saying is that in Psalm 150, that word does not mean dance (as in bodily movement) but a musical instrument, whatever it may mean in other context ( some of which are unclear). No, I don't know Hebrew and do depend on what the experts say. I listen to what they ALL say, and then allow the H.S. to enlighten my mind to make the distinction. God bless.
Dancing has always been a form of worship in the Bible. People look for a scripture that gives specific permission for everything they don't like but don't apply the same rules for things that they do regularly. Where in scripture are we instructed to sit stoically before the Lord?
Right! Even when the Lord brought the children of Israel out of Egypt. He told pharaoh let me people go so they can have a party/ feast/festival in honor of me in the wilderness Exodus 5: 1-13 God loves singing and dancing , celebrating in his honor there is no doubt to me about that .
You can dance anywhere at anytime for the Glory of God so long as your heart is right before God. Agreed some people abuse that, but we’re not the Holy Spirit, He judges that!!!😊
@@jimj78 there is a difference between correction and judging, if i said you did is wrong im correcting you but if i said what you did is wrong and call you a bad person i have judged you
I’ve been in church most of my life (starting at the age of 10). In my opinion, dancing in this 21st century is done as “showmanship.” The church is dancing as a form of spirituality. In other words, if you can’t dance or don’t dance, you’re not spiritual or even a Christian. It’s done as a form of entertainment. David was not in a church!
"Praise Him with the cymbal Praise Him with the dance Praise Him with the shofar Praise Him with your hands Praise Him with the timbrel Praise Him with the harp Praise Him with the drum and the flute Praise Him with your heart" - Hallelu et Adonai by Ted Pearce/ Paul Wilbur If you're dancing solely because YOU want to, you're doing it disruptively, if you dance because Ruach Ha'Kadosh moves you to, then by all means, dance your dance of praise and worship.
@@jojijosette5946you think all of God is confined to a book? When God is infinitely above us and our feeble minds aren't able to comprehend all God is. Praise, worship and dance are all mentioned in the Bible. And I'm afraid you don't determine what God finds acceptable to Him.
@@jojijosette5946 This is in the Bible. It’s Psalm 150. “Praise him with the blast of a ram’s horn; praise him with harp and lyre. Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and flute. Praise him with resounding cymbals; praise him with clashing cymbals. Let everything that breathes praise the Lord. Hallelujah!” Psalms 150:3-6
Nowhere in Scripture is worship ever depicted as being done to music, song or dance. Praise is, but praise isn't worship. The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó). Unsurprisingly, the verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior. It's really hard to sing, play music, or dance, with your face planted on the ground in humble reverence. People can't just take anything they dream up, inflict it on God, and expect Him to accept it as worship. Nadab and Abihu probably thought their hearts were in the right place (Leviticus 10:1-2), but look at what happened to them. God determines the rules for how He will be worshipped, not us - and especially not whatever carnality some people have the gall to call being spirit-led.
That is a clear example of worshiping God through dancing of Joy. You cant manipulate that man. I will dance, shout, sing, because he saved my life!! Period!
Nowhere in Scripture is worship ever depicted as being done to music, song or dance. Praise is, but praise isn't worship. The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó). Unsurprisingly, the verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior. It's really hard to sing, play music, or dance, with your face planted on the ground in humble reverence.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh I'm sorry, but you're wrong. PLEASE carefully read Psalms -- I don't remember where exactly it is, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL VERSES TALKING ABOUT 'DANCING & PRAISING THE LORD IN THE SANCTUARY"!!!!!!!
@@repentjesusiscomingsoon1529 Go back to school and learn to read. Where do either of those Psalms mention _worship?_ The Hebrew and Greek words for praise and worship are not synonyms are not translated interchangeably. You won't find a single instance of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah) or the Greek verb προσκυνέω (proskuneó) being translated as 'praise' or of the Hebrew verb הָלַל (halal) or the Greek verb ἔπαινος (epainos) being translated as 'worship' anywhere in Scripture for the simple reason that they describe entirely different things.
@@peterschelenberg1008 no, Adam and Eve gave us the ability to sin by eating the forbidden fruit. This is nowhere in the Bible that God opposes us to dance. Dance is a form a praise. You can’t tell people how to praise either. Our connections to God is a personal experience. Some of you Christian’s are something else
@@Ty.k1ngAdam and Eve didn't give us sin, THEY committed sin by eating the forbidden fruit which makes sin possible in the first place. Please read the bible again
"Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; let the people of Zion be glad in their King. Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with timbrel and harp." - Psalm 149:2-3 Be careful not to throw burdens on people that God is not burdening people with. The Pharisees had "justification" for forbidding healing on the sabbath
Psalms 150:3-6 Psalms 150:3-6 Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals! Let everything that has breath praise the LORD!
If you are really dancing for the Lord, and not interrupting the service. But, really dancing for the Lord. not, just dancing like you feel like it, or because you are happy. It comes down to the heart.
Never quench the Holy Spirit...enter into his courts with praise..let no one dictate how you should praise and worship the Lord...so long as it's not 'fleshy' - and if it is fleshy that's between you and God AND other true worshippers with the true Spirit of God will pick up any false spirits.
Yes, you can dance for the Lord and before the Lord. C'mon children of God! Praise the Lord with shout, voice, singing, dancing and every other gift that He has bestowed on you🙌🙌🙌
I dance in church. I don't even like public attention. Sometimes I don't even want to stand up, but God has done so much for me, and sometimes I feel moved to stand up and worship. I don't want eyes on me, but I silently talk to God and say, "It's You and me," meaning I'm not putting on a show for anyone. It's just me and Him. Sometimes I'll even just close my eyes and sway.
Totally agree. If we really just think about it. The people that criticize dancing they probably go dance to all types of music at events that doesn’t glorify God.
@@Aslanthedoodle The fact she is living is already a gift of God, so there is always something to glorify. Btw, I don’t think she is saying God is a genie. She is just thankful, because God is good all the time.
At church, I've always been quieted in awe of God. Privately at home, I've danced a lot, but it's not a show. I can dance like a twerp and God doesn't care.
I usually agree with Voddie, but i think he did not make his case at all when pressed on the issue. I dont believe we MUST dance in God's presence, but i believe We're ALLOWED to dance in God's presence.
Praise the Lord ! I didn’t know that you could praise the Lord with dancing until the Spirit of the Lord fell on me and I began dancing in a church that I was visiting . I was shocked that I was dancing . I didn’t know what was happening to me . I was the only one who broke out dancing . A pastor who was also visiting the church came up to me after I stopped and asked me who was my pastor . He said he was not trying to steal me from my pastor. I didn’t know it was in the Bible to praise the Lord with dancing when it happened to me
@@MasonHatfieldLogorrhea no, not scoffers. There’s a time and place for everything. In church, you are in the presence of Almighty God, not at some party house. If God himself came to you in physical form, you’d fall on your knees and beg him to show mercy. Show some respect.
@@danielsan9850 so are you saying that David was irreverent in the face of the Lord ? The Bible even says to Praise his name in the dance. Now I agree that not every service is a shouting and dancing service but to say it has no place in the church is not Biblical. I have scripture for my argument ? Do you ?
Tod Friel hasn't got a clue! Tod claimed to have some Bible verses on worship, then confronted Voddie with a passage that had _nothing_ to do with worship. *2 Samuel **6:14* _David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod._ But David's dancing isn't said to have had anything to do with worship - all the context depicts is David's joyful celebration along with Israel at large - as the context makes inescapable clear: *2 Samuel 6:5* _And David and all the house of Israel were making merry before the LORD with all their might, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals._ In other words, they were partying, not worshiping.
Praise, worship, blessing, thanksgiving, and prayer are all quite different things and we can't simply foist whatever we want on God and expect Him to accept it as whatever we choose to call it. Christians should learn what the biblical meanings are, rather than imposing modern redefinitions them. These words in Scripture have very specific meanings and, when it comes to our interactions with God, we disregard those meanings to our cost - perhaps even to our peril. For example, Psalm 5:7; 22:7; 29:2; 66:4; 95:6; 96:9; 97:7; 99:5, 9; 102:22; 106:19; & 132:7 are about worship, whilst all of Psalm 150 is about praise, and doesn't even mention worship. Indeed, there are more references to praise in Psalm 150 than there are references to worship in the entire Book of Psalms. Hardly surprising given that the Hebrew title for the book תהילים (tehillim) basically means 'praises' - as does the Greek title, ψαλμός (psalmos). Psalm 95 differentiates thanksgiving, praise and worship What is commonly passed off as worship today has nothing to do with a Scriptural understanding of worship, or even of praise. Jesus summed up the problem: _This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men._ (Matthew 15:8-9) If one isn't doing what Scripture calls worship, then one isn't doing what Jesus said God requires of us: _God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth._ (John 4:24) Simply throwing the word 'worship' or 'praise' into a song or declaration doesn't make it worship or praise. Likewise, singing _about_ worship and praise isn't the same as _doing_ worship and praise. Many of the songs sung to God in churches today are a blend of praise, blessing and thanksgiving, even prayer at times, but they're not _worship._ You can't just take anything you or someone else dream up, inflict it on God, and expect Him to accept it as worship. God determines the rules for how He will be worshipped, not us - and especially not whatever carnality some people have the gall to call being spirit-led. The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó). The main verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior. The Old and New Testament view of worship is one that combines the humble, reverential, attitude of mind and body in homage. This is something rarely seen in churches today. Nowhere in Scripture does worship ever have anything to do with music, singing or dancing. Indeed, anyone who pays attention to what the Hebrew and Greek words mean and describe would recognize in an instant the implausibility of a worshipper doing any of those things while worshiping. Psalm 95:6 typifies the physical posture attending worship: _O come, let us worship and bow down, let us kneel before the LORD, our Maker!_ When was the last time you were on church and God was worshipped this way? One thing worship is not is cavorting about the place making a spectacle of oneself. Those who engage in such activity typically try to defend dancing as a form of worship on the basis of 2 Samuel 6:14: _David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod._ But David's dancing isn't said to have had anything to do with _worship_ - all the context depicts is David's joyful celebration along with Israel at large - as is plainly stated in 2 Samuel 6:5: _And David and all the house of Israel were making merry before the LORD with all their might, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals._ In other words, they were partying, not worshiping. There are 112 references to worship in the Old Testament. There isn't a single mention of worship involving singing, music, or dance in any of them! See, for example: Genesis 24:26, 48; Exodus 4:31; 12:27; 33:10; 34:8; Deuteronomy 26:10; Joshua 5:14; Judges 7:15; 1 Samuel 1:3, 19, 28; 15:25, 30-31; 2 Samuel 12:20; 15:8, 32; 2 Kings 5:18; 18:22; 1 Chronicles 16:29; 29:20; 2 Chronicles 7:3; 20:18; 29:28-30; Nehemiah 8:6; 9:3, 6; Job 1:20; Psalm 5:7; 22:7; 29:2; 66:4; 95:6; 96:9; 97:7; 99:5, 9; 102:22; 106:19; 132:7, etc. Praise, however, is often associated with singing, making music, and dancing: *Music* 1 Chronicles 23:5; 25:3; 2 Chronicles 5:13; 7:6; Ezra 3:10; Psalm 33:2; 43:4; 71:22; 98:5; 150:3-5 *Singing (55 times)* 2 Samuel 22:4; 22:50; 1 Chronicles 16:9; 2 Chronicles 5:13; 20:21-22; 28:30; 30:21; Nehemiah 22:46; Psalm 7:17; 9:2, 11; 18:49; 31:13; 47:6-7 *Dancing* Psalm 149:3; 150:4 Given that the Greek and Hebrew words used for worship in the Bible describe people bowing down and prostrating themselves, ask yourself how anyone would have been making music using the kinds of instruments they had back then, let alone singing and dancing, at the same time as they're worshiping. Some advocates of the unbiblical activities they pass off as worship try to defend their position by claiming worship and praise, for example, are synonyms and that the Hebrew and Greek words mean the same thing. But there is good reason for there not being a single instance of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah) or the Greek verb προσκυνέω (proskuneó) being translated as 'praise' or of the Hebrew verb הָלַל (halal) or the Greek verb ἔπαινος (epainos) being translated as 'worship' anywhere in Scripture: because they describe entirely different things.
When the anointing of the Holy Ghost hits you. You will dance in church I have many many times over the 39 years that I've been in church. Sometimes it's hard for me to walk to get in church I have problems with my legs but when the anointing of God hits me the power of God. My feet come off the floor.
What do you mean by the anointing of the Holy Ghost "hitting" you? When you accept Christ you receive the holy spirit then correct? I don't personally care if people dance but the Holy Spirit isn't a sensation or something that hits you from time to time. I may be misunderstanding what you mean by what you're saying but it sounds like you're idea of the Holy Ghost is something that is a feel so good I gotta dance feeling and that reduces the 3rd member of the Trinity to something that alcohol does for some people..ie When the whiskey hits me I just dance in happiness and also (makes it hard to walk)
@@dl6321 I'm talking about praising the Lord with all of your heart. The joy of the Lord comes up on you and you speak with other tongues. Like the word of God says. There is no feeling in the world no alcohol no drugs can take the place of the Holy Ghost and the way he makes you feel. I know been there and done that. I wouldn't trade the Holy Ghost for nothing in this world. Nothing in this world could ever even compare to him. You won't know what I mean till you get right with God and get the Holy Ghost, and evidence of speaking in tongues. God bless you.
Test the spirits as Jesus Said. Pray for discernment and most of all the Holy Spirit is peaceful and likes no loves order! No chaos. Please fellow Christians read the WHOLE Bible!
That is really what is about, living in the presence of God daily, so He is with us wherever we go. However, many don't experience the reality and love of God. This the authentic believer who truly hears from our Lord, listens and sees, and does what our Lord shares and shows us to do.
Just going to leave this here: "Praise his name with dancing, accompanied by tambourine and harp. 4 For the Lord delights in his people; he crowns the humble with victory." Psalms 149:3-4 I also can't help but see a racial undertone to this. The Reformed/Calvanist is traditionally European and Male. In contrast, the black church (& brown) has long been demonized for our more expressive worship styles, specifically by certain white faith traditions, not because its actually wrong but because it does not fit their cultural preference. This is something to take note of, especially because Christianity is not a European faith. I think Calvanists often forget that God is also Spirit and supernatural in addition to caring about theology.
This is highly religious and wrong to say dancing in church is not Biblical. Psalm 149:3 says to dance to God. Exodus 15:20-21 they danced to God. Psalm 150:4 says to dance to God during praise and worship. David danced to God. It doesn’t say God was upset at his dancing it says his wife was, much like the reformed. Ecclesiastes 3:4 says there’s a time to dance. Is that just for weddings? We have a spiritual wedding to prepare for. The entire Bible associates dancing with joy Lamentations 5:15, psalms 30:11-12. So joy is associated with dancing. Psalms 100 says to worship God with a joyful noise. It associates joy with worshipping Him in His presence. Psalm 98:4 says to make a joyful noise to Him. Again joy associated with worship and joy again has been associated with dancing. Beware of strict teachers who are Pharisees who strain a gnat. They take a tiny issue and make it a big one and put heavy burdens on people. Don’t listen to rocks my friends unless you want to worship God like a spiritually dead rock. Obey the Bible and dance and don’t listen to these two men who are confused. Bochum and Friel are 100% wrong here.
No Voddie!! I don’t understand why no one is speaking out against Voddie. Voddie doesn’t think it takes all that. HOWEVER some of us know scriptures for ourselves Voddie.! Many places in the Bible speaks of dancing for the Lord Ecclesiastes and many scriptures but my favorite is psalm 149 3-4. Let them praise His ñame with dancing and make music to him with timbrel and harp. Voddie doesn’t think that’s necessary. We don’t have an ark or a king? I disagree Voddie!! We have the King of King and Lord of Lords and it would behoove you to praise and worship him. Teaching is wonderful but you aren’t teaching the Bible all way. Humble yourself before God humbled you Voddie!!!
If you know of Voddie, you would know that he is a godly man. I think he might just be skeptical about dancing , since people take scripture out of context. Most don’t ask those questions because they know it implies an intimacy with The Lord. They ask so they could practice dancing as a cover up.
@@robertosantibanez Do you know Voddie personally? The way some of you believers go hard for ppl you have never meant is astounding. Anyone who despises prophecy and gifts alike is sus in my book. The Bible clearly tells us not to despise prophecy. As far as dancing David dance so much that his wife looked down upon him for doing so. The scripture is clear even a babe in Christ can see that. There’s no need to be deep.
@@IHeartJesus-777 I know Voddie as much as you. I don't go hard for no one, but it's fine to admire godly people who live by the word. I didn't know dancing was a gift? Dancing can be learn and mastered to a degree just like many forms of music. David's wife is but a product of his bad judgment, for seeking a wife that wasn't for him.
@@rlhicks1 so you’re just going to ignore the Old Testament verse I provided?? Ok. lol. I’m not responding to this foolishness and taking my peace with me.
If David who the Bible that was inspired by the Holy spirit calls David “a man after Gods own heart” and a “mighty man of valor” danced in the presence of God I think dancing in church is fine. God created music, God created rhythm and if the holy spirit is moving in someone and they respond by dance I don’t see the problem.
@@manarakhs9860 there wasn’t a church building to dance in. And don’t try to compare a church building to a temple in David’s time because the New Testament makes it clear that our bodies are now the temple of God not man made buildings…IMMANUEL
"Ecclesiastes 3:4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance. " And what time is that? "Psalm 150: 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs." Praise time, that's when!
Its really sad to see so many Christians arguing over this and believing we can know what is in each others hearts. Its also sad that some men are talking about women dancing in church "distracting" them. Just close yours eyes and focus on God. Worship is definitely not about watching other people to see how they worship or what they're going to do. David danced before the Lord on a road, Miriam and a bunch of other women danced and sang before the Lord on the other side of the Red sea. Okay so these were not churches. Does it matter? I don't see how when the church building is not the temple of God you are! I'll dance for joy because God redeemed me and set me free! I'll dance because God sees fit to live and dwell inside me. Why should the enemy be allowed to have dance when God is the creator? The joy of the Lord is my strength is it yours? Does dancing fill you with joy? Do you think it fills God with joy to see you enjoying life and all the things that He has given us?
I love true teaching straight from the Bible! Now a days people don't teach based on the Bible. They based their teachings on their opinion. May the LORD keep on fulfilling those who fear HIM with his Wisdom and Peace.
HOW MANY SCRIPTURES DO THEY NEED TO PROVE GOD LOVES DANCING IN HIS CHURCH/MIDST!! Exodus 15:20 - And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. Psalms 149:3 - Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. 2 Samuel 6:14 - And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 1 Chronicles 15:29 - And it came to pass, as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, that Michal the daughter of Saul looking out at a window saw king David dancing and playing: and she despised him in her heart. Psalms 30:11 - Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness; Psalms 149:3 - Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. Psalms 150:4 - Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Ecclesiastes 3:4 - A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
I’ll tell you this, I was in The Assembly of God church for 20 years of my first marriage & I could not accept all the hoopla & hollering, running up & down the isle, flipping flopping all over the floor & hearing all this mumbling & gibberish they call tongues. It was the hardest thing to go through but I did it because at the time because I thought I was doing what God expected me to do by following my husband at the time. Knowing what I know now, I wished I never spent on day of my life in some of those demonic spirited churches. Today they are call Charismatic Movement, Prosperity Churches, claim it and name it churches. If your in one of these, RUN for your life & NEVER LOOK BACK! It’s NOT a true church!
Everyone says to run and everytime I ask why no one tells me why. In my view I could be wrong I'm new to the faith forgive my ignorance but shouldn't we help our brothers and sisters see the truth?
I agree with you I was raised in a Pentecostal church since a young child I was set free from the charismatic beliefs when I became a adult and left home
Church services should be orderly. Dancing decidedly has a tendency to be disorderly. The fact that someone can prophesy does not mean he should interrupt the preaching with prophecies or speaking in tongues. Paul was careful to make that a point.
This is not a heaven or hell issue. In anything that we do, God judges the motive of the heart. If someone is dancing in church to give praise to God, that is one thing. If someone is dancing in church to be seen of men, that is other thing.
When I saw this I was on the fence about giving an opinion. So from the top of the fence here goes. You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me with joy. - Psalm 30:11 praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and pipe. - Psalm 150:4 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise- the fruit of lips that openly profess his name. - Hebrews 13:15 Praise the Lord. Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise in the assembly of his faithful people. Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; let the people of Zion be glad in their King. Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with timbrel and harp. - Psalm 149:1-3
I’m not even a Christian and I figure this is obvious. Dancing is a valid form of worship for the Lord, but it’s not necessary to do if you don’t want to? Like I didn’t even think this was a question
I see it as undignified, and thus unsuitable for doing in church. I believe liturgical, solemn and unified worship is proper and appropriate for worshiping God.
They need to read the Bible properly you can dance for the lord David danced before the lord and when his wife chastises him he rebukes her read the passage
There's only one reason why I believe adding dancing to the order of worship is not appropriate is simply because the church we have in the new testament didn't do it. Simple! David wasn't in a church, the temple under the old and not the New Testament. Jesus himself didn't dance while he was on earth..
I'm noticing a concerning pattern. The church has become so overrun by liscentiousness, that now a lot of teachers are pulling so far away thay they're bordering or crossing into legalism. We see all these "pastors" saying "Do whatever you want! God understands!" and we recoil and correctly discern that to be wrong, but in our efforts to "not fall victim" to liscentiousness, we stray into legalism. I think it's a good reminder that it's not any better to be a Pharisee than it is a Prostitute. It's just as serious of a sin to put extra-biblical restrictions on people as it is to encourage people to sin. Isaiah 29:13 "The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught"
I agree wholly, but is also true that is better to be wrong on the side of caution. If I am wrong in not dancing I just missed a couple of moves that i could have busted in church, If I am wrong in dancing I have been displeasing the Lord in my worship my whole life.
@AdamFontenet-iy3tb Because it's not sound Biblical discipleship if it isn't rooted in the Scriptures. Paul absolutely discusses things that are not allowed in church, not once does he ban dancing. It would be solid Biblical discipleship if the word of God commanded us to obstain from dancing in church, but it doesn't haha So people who take that position have no Biblical ground to stand on, they are simply imposing their own feelings on the Church. I am not saying I think dancing in church is great, but what I am saying is that we have freedom in Christ and it is legalism to put man-made, unbiblical rules on other believers based solely on your own personal feelings. I would say we all have to pray for discernment and be willing to accept the truth, regardless of if it agrees with our position or not.
“And David “DANCED” before the Lord with all his might….” ~2 Samuel 6:14~ “Let them Praise the name of the Lord in the dance… ~Psalms 149:3~ Now, this is NOT DISCO DANCING OR SLOW DANCING WITH A PARTNER OR AS A COUPLE OR POLE DANCING! This is what the Jews did and still do, IT IS ALSO written in the Scripture, so you CANNOT SAY IT IS NOT BIBLICAL. Although it’s not a “MANDATORY” PRACTICE, you cannot condemn those who do it in holy praise.
I'm reminded of the song, who's lyrics are written as follows: "I will dance, i will sing, to be mad for my King, nothing more is hindering this passion in my soul And I'll become even more undignified than this Some will say it's foolishness..." It's a great song. I was whooping and hollering because it was a great time in praising God. It's hard finding a church that does that today.
Bibles are free in most churches and since you’re in a comment section in UA-cam I’d imagine you have a device of some sort and internet Bible gateway is a free online Bible .
@@Huckleberry68 I have the MySword Bible app. A Bible app that has bibles going all the way back to Wycliffe, Tyndall, and the great vowel shift in over 20 languages. It has books and essays written by the most influential commentators of Christianity. I don't need another Bible app telling me how to follow God's commandments and the faith of Jesus.
1Praise[a] the Lord! Sing to the Lord a new song, And His praise in the assembly of saints. 2Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. 3Let them praise His name with the dance; Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp. 4For the Lord takes pleasure in His people;
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Nice joke So the reason people go to church on Sunday is ? 😅 Relax man He was referring to the worship that take buildings called church ... Let's not change the goal post
@@Josh_E2405, it’s because Roman Emperor Constantine changed the concept and turn into a rule while calling buildings the church. it’s not a bad thing to go to a building but essentially that’s just a building and we are the church of God.
Psalms 150; “Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: Praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: Praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: Praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: Praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: Praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath Praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.”
Love these guys! But check this out Halal - primarily a Hebrew root word for praise. Our word “ hallelujah” comes from this base word. It means “to be clear, to shine, to boast, show, rave, celebrate, to be clamorously foolish.
God deserves our praise, The Bible says let everything that has breath praise the Lord, and that word praise has different hebrew meanings towards it (Yadah, Barak, Tehillah, Shabach) its about singihg, shouting, dancing unto the Lord, so that our hearts are prepared to hear His word and that we can enter into His holy place and experience the presence of thr Lord in the most holy place, Worship is a journey And saying its not biblically robs people from experiencing Gods presence and joy
It’s OK to go to ball games and shout and dance around, it’s Ok to go to your kids graduation and shout and dance around, but you best not get emotional in Church and celebrate the greatest victory of all mankind. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE STUFFED SHIRTS THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS? Shame on you guys for mocking and putting down Christians that want to celebrate their faith.
i like the comments !!! dancing, singing all fall on the same boat we have secular music and we have gospel music and there's people dancing for self pleasure and THERE'S PEOPLE WHO GO TO CHURCH SING PRAISE BY CLAPPING THEIR HANDS AND MOVING THEIR BODY FOR GOD. i am a child of GOD i dance for GOD, but he talks to me and answers my prayers meaning my dancing for him is not bad not in the slightest. AMEN why is this even a debate here in Africa we sing for GOD while dancing a lot for our JESUS .
Sing to the LORD a new song, And His praise in the assembly of saints. Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name with the dance; Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3
Same and Paul Washer seriously they are honorable and genuine men of God. The way they talk about their wives and family gets me the most. We need more men of God like them.
@@observingcat9049 No he does not this is a lie. He never preaches the Gospel. He thinks the idea of being born again is daft. I have asked him myself when he was showing off someone has become a Christian in his ministry. I asked him has the new Christian been born again. He told me this was a daft question. Bob also believes you can lose salvation which is a lie from hell. The other point is ecumenical ideas is not only unbiblical but illogical as the different church denominations have different beliefs in salvation which is the gospel!
Right !He was NOT in the Temple. The ARC was out of the Temple too. He danced and leaped, celebrating, the glory of GOD being in their presence. HalleluYah Amen 🙏🏿🔥♥️
Jesus said not to pray in public or flaunt your faith like the hypocrites in the synagogue. Jesus was against organized religion and places of worship.
@@rc59191 that’s a huge stretch. Jesus went and taught in the synagogue on the Sabbath. He also overturned the tables at the Temple because He recognized it as a place of worship to God. He was against the heartless ritualism and legalism of the Pharisees, not “organized religion”
King David danced unto the Lord. If he did it, I’m going to do it. So now! I don’t care what pastor or teacher say. As long as I am not twerking on no one but I’m praising and dancing to God by myself or around other members. It’s not a sin if it’s glorifying Christ and Christ is the center and not myself.
Wow, what a terrible answer. It’s not that specific verse that gives us permission. As people saved by the redemptive blood of Christ our freedom to worship rests in the Holy Spirit.
Ok but there's a time and place for everything. What is the purpose of church? Is it to be filled with the spirit and act out, or to pour out our praise unto the Lord? If we are to act out in the spirit, where is the line? If I start shouting louder than everyone, or dancing on the stage, am I allowed to just because the spirit made me? There must be a level of self-control and respect for God, and the congregation that does not distract others or make a mockery of worship.
"No, I won't dance in church, bc I have too much pride to do it. In fact, I really don't believe in worshipping the Lord at all, I believe in worshiping my intellectual acuity & Bible lawyer ing." Good job smh
@AdamFontenet-iy3tb the word actually has action behind it. This guy makes up rules that aren't scriptural. Amd no I have nothing to do with New Age garbage. I'm in full-time ministry, and this is not the word. The word doesn't have a high minded spirit behind it. This is high minded, intellectual superiority.
You it’s funny how people can always find justification to do something without God’s approval. Who is the number 1 worshipper of all time? Who worshipped God the absolute correct way without blemishes. Right the Son of God. But, we are going to imitate a form of worship from a man who was a murder and adulterer. I see why most Christians can’t overcome sin. The Bible says follow and mark the perfect and upright. How about following Jesus Christ as our model of worship. He never dance, ran or laughed out load, screamed, and every other type of emotional behavior. The way of the cross is a changed mind, not emotionalism. I feel sorry for this weak and perverse generation. They hate scripture, they exult personal relationships over the truth of God’s word. Every thing with this generation is what I personally believe and my convictions. Let all you be liars and the Bible truth. God said, he is looking for true worshippers, not form and fashion. “If the Spirit falls on you” please, that’s the music and the charisma of the singer and preacher. Soon as some of you get a bad report, all the dancing go out the window, soon as your money dry up , where is the Spirit now? Your spouse cheats on, kids disrespect you, your whole life is a mess, God can’t pay you to dance. Going to church saying pray for me. Emotionalism has no power over Satan, dancing has no power over the dark things in this world. But a change mind. God wants your obedience not your emotional outburst. The land is sick because of all this foolishness in America. Same sex on a all time high, public schools teaching kids about pornography, the government is crooked. And you all talking David dance. And where did that get David, sadly since this event in David life, you see a slow downward decline of David. He numbers the people, which the Lord hated, he married multiple wives, which the Lord said not for the king to do. None of his children were raise godly, we know the story of Uriah and how his own son conspired against him, and the list goes on and on. David life did not end how it started. I am not going in on David, I am making a point, you don’t look to men on how God is to be worship unless they are perfect and upright. Look to Jesus, the Author and finisher of your faith. What if David would had built the temple without asking God. So is everyone that give God worship he never asked for. Start with seek you first his righteousness and trust me, that is move than a dance or praise. Holiness or Hell…you decide
Man I'm late for this but, Jesus didn't need to shout and be emotional because he was the one dying for people sins, if you can't get emotional..overjoyed, shouting to praise his name idk what to tell you. Do you realize what he went through so that we all might live. People tend to focus on him being nailed to the cross, but what about the emotional pain of taking on all our sins even though we are not worthy? That's reason enough to shout and praise his name!!
Me I don't dance AT ALL. Dancing is just something I don't do. I grew up in a charismatic church and they made it seem you are required to dance to praise and worship God. When in reality, dancing is a permitted act of worship by God. Every time I went up to the alter, to "dance", it NEVER felt real. Same goes for slaying in the spirit. The relationship between Jesus and I seems to be more focused and serving. Thing is a lot of Christian think there's a one sized fits all relationship with Jesus when in reality Jesus know exactly how to win everyone's hearts. Personally. Just Jesus and you. I've come to conclusion that Jesus loves me, I love Him and our relationship is beautiful. Seek Jesus people. It would help you a ton.
Nowhere in Scripture is worship ever depicted as being done to music, song or dance. Praise is, but praise isn't worship. The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó). Unsurprisingly, the verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior. It's really hard to sing, play music, or dance, with your face planted on the ground in humble reverence.
The real question to me is what the context is inside the church. At our church there is a special worship service once a month in addition to regular services. It is nothing but music, performance, some speaking and baptisms, etc. Some dance there. It is a “party” and time for frivolity. In the regular services it’s a time for thoughtful and serious-minded reflection. I think this appropriate.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24
One of the greatest gifts bestowed upon me was to have my eyes opened to the fact that Jesus has a sense of humor. Awesomely funny, I laugh until I am out of breath. I try to keep it in check, and my foundation is always taking Him seriously. But it is a form of loving him with all of my heart, my mind, my soul. My strength manifests by how all consuming my joy and laughter can be!
All for His Glory. Each should pick his own way of worship. If you enjoy dancing, then do it for His Glory. If you like to lay down on the ground to worship, great. If you kneel and throw your hands up, then wonderful. Do what you want to worship the Lord. The problem lies where people feel they have to do something because everyone else is doing it. Or people make you feel bad or that you don't have the Holy Spirit because you don't worship like them. There is the problem. Because then who are you doing it for?
Don’t try to do everything David did☝🏾 You are not David Focus on things of Spirit & let’s not mix frivolity during Serious Issues of Worship. Did Jesus ever danced during Worship? Right…..so calm down & get on your knees
I dance and sing to show joy. It's an expression of joy. No convulsing but people can fall on their face or fall to their knees. When I dance I am full of joy, but I come from a life full of depression and despair so I only actually danced once and it wasn't a long or big dance but I was just so happy when we were singing a hymn that I just had to dance
David's dancing was an outward expression of praising the Lord,it was done in the right context, dancing for the Lord in the right context is not wrong at all but one should not do so in a disruptive or provocative manner since God is a God of order,it is tricky to differentiate between dancing motivated by the Lord and his presence and dancing motivated by the flesh especially when the music is good,God judges both our actions and motives, we should check our motives when dancing for the Lord and make sure that our motive is to honor and glorify Jesus, when praising keep your mind focused on the Lord
Amen agreed
Yes Amen
That was an excellent comment!
Agreed. Very well put.
This is spot on I feel. Well expressed. All glory to God.
What a load of garbage!!
The man healed in Acts 3 went into the temple walking and leaping and praising God over a physical healing. Salvation is the greatest miracle, so I want to leap and praise in worship even more!
@@johndavidwhitt yes, the issue is not leaping and dancing out of a gratitude which is internally motivated. But the socalled worldy dance with external music, lighgts, and smoke with a pop culture is what the bible is against. Neither David nor the man healed in the temple had such a background and motivation. The OT music were well organized according to the bible.
@@Kitty-zd7qp I’m sure the Old Testament worship music has some songs that were joyful and easy to dance to! 😃
@@johndavidwhitt I am not against dancing in church by itself but these days some are dancing in church like giving a performance. And also considering dancing like a ministry.
@@SGOV86
Very true....wich is why good churches need set the example on what is appropriate when dancing.
Not stop dancing because a handful of mega churches are trying to draw numbers and money.
It's like the rainbow.....that's our promise by God.
I'm not going to stop speaking or using its colors or telling others about the promise because the LBG alphabet has turned it into a sick motto for all things perverse.
Even if I have to write GODS PROMISE TO BELIEVERS...or JESUS'S RAINBOW....
in big bold letters.....it is better to redirect the message in it's proper form....than to abandoned it
❤
@@Kitty-zd7qpthere’s verses all over the psalms to sing to God loudly with instruments. I think you’re a little religious on this one no offense.
When God does something for you that's so lovely and beautiful doesn't matter where you are yo shout praise God even if you're alone
Amen and it's God's house not theirs
I mean, Christians can disagree in some point but should always agree on the Gospel of Jesus.
Lol these zealot types will fight with anyone about anything. If it brings you any sort of happiness they just say it's a sin and will look for any sort of bible verse that they can twist to try and justify it.
Amen!
@@rc59191AMEN TO THAT TRUTH!!!! AMEN!🕊️🙌📖🤗
Imagine the singing, dancing, praising, hallelujahs when we see Jesus returning to fetch us!!!
Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Amen! But the thing is that dancing in church should not be done as a performace like giving a dance show and dancing in church should also not be considered a ministry.
Yes yes yes
@@SGOV86 . Yes you are right.
Ps 149v3
Dance was actually a musical instrument that David also played. Go do the research and you'll find out. Also the way Gods people danced back in David's time was completely different than nowadays.
Jesus Christ died for my SINS. I will dance for that.🕺🕺🕺🕺🕺🕺🕺
Come On!!!!!!
I know that's right. Twerking no but I will dance. It's called decent and orderly
…and end up in hell for that
@@Elijah8890 if that is the judgement of God then rightly so. Most people confuse their feelings for God's so.... He'll let me know
so you have no sins,eehe
I think we have to distinguish between dancing because we are full of joy and jumping around to loud emotional music.
Joy is emotional. Someone once wrote an Ode to it.
I totally 🤝
@@richardtowne6771 hey are you referring to a Psalm? Which one
@@scottbaker8528How about the MAJORITY of the Psalms!!!🤔😁
emotional? give it a rest.
David danced because the Ark of the Presence of the Lord was back in their midst! How much more should we, the people of God, dance when 2 or more of us are gathered in His Name?! His presence is with us!!!
Why are you listening to these two Calvinists who preach a satanic false gospel
I do agree. What I dissagree with is when people are giving a dance performance in church. You know. Like all the rest of the people are sitting down and 1 person are a group are dancing in front like giving a show.
@@SGOV86I agree, worshipping in dance is one thing, but performance in the flesh is for attention
@@Butterfly04able exactly.
@@Butterfly04able dancing in church should also not be used as entertainment.
There’s nothing wrong in dancing in church for God. The problem is when people take it too far to show their dance moves.
Yes exactly this
Exactly everything should be for God’s glory appropriately
😂😂 that is s problem
Amen
It’s a problem for who?
I will never stop shouting and praising God in church or out of the church building!
Not even if The Holy Spirit convicted you?
@@simonedishelle6720 The question I now have to ask is why you are trying to convict them?
@Sven SvenForkedBeard he said Holy Spirit.. why are you changing his words around?
@@jimj78 I didn't, examine the question in context
I'm not a dancer, but I'm never offended by those who choose to worship the Father in dance.
To hear this guy say "bust a'move" and "get down with my bad self" was one of the funniest thing I've heard all day.
There's always a balance in everything that we do....
Dancing for the Lord is not bad but taking it too far is bad....
The Lord delights in what we do to praise Him from the bottom of our heart....
If we really dance for the Lord and led by the Holy Spirit..it will never be too far....
God Bless
Amen to that! What I am against is when one person or a group are dancing in front of the church while the rest of the church members are sitting down and watching like watching a dance show.
@@SGOV86 I agree with this statement.
I agree with you.
@AdamFontenet-k8j it never has been, thats not why we dance in church service
@AdamFontenet-k8j please re read the 149th and 150th psalm
It is written to praise the Lord with dancing in the 149 psalm . Some versions it may be also in the 150 psalm.
Big problem here with this type of exegesis: "Let them praise his name in the dance - במחול bemachol, with the pipe, or some kind of wind music, classed here with תף toph, the tabor or drum, and כנור kinnor, the harp.” מחול machol,” says Parkhurst, “some fistular wind-instrument of music, with holes, as a flute, pipe, or fife, from חל chal, to make a hole or opening.” I know no place in the Bible where מחול machol and מחלת machalath mean dance of any kind; they constantly signify some kind of pipe." Adam Clarke.
So no, these two verses you refer to have NOTHING to do with dancing.
@@ArroEL922 actually the word ‘machol’ that’s used in Psalm 150 does mean dancing, not some kind of pipe. That same word is used in Psalm 30:11 where is says, “ Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing (machol): thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness.” It wouldn’t make sense for that scripture to say “thou hast turned my morning into some kind of pipe.” Please read the scriptures for yourself and depend on Holy Spirit to help you understand, instead of trusting in man and their interpretations of scripture.
@@beepeejayj865 You are still incorrect. I don't know how well you know Hebrew, but for me, I know absolutely nothing about this language. So I have to depend on the experts. And THEY have different opinions. So yes, I need to use the God-given capabilities I have, with guidance form the Holy Spirit. In Ps 30:11, that word is use as a gerund while in Ps 150, it is used as a noun AMONG SEVERAL MUSICAL INSTUMENTS. If I were to ask an 11-year-old to pick out the one work that is out of place in the following:
"Psa 150:3 Praise him with trumpet sound: Praise him with psaltery and harp.
Psa 150:4 Praise him with timbrel and dance: Praise him with stringed instruments and pipe. "
he/she would pick out dance, as it is out of place as a verb but totally correct as another musical instrument.
@@ArroEL922 Lamentation 5:15: The joy of our heart is ceased; our dance (māhol) is turned into mourning. The same word is used, this time not as a gerund. According to the “experts” this would translate to “The joy of our heart is ceased; our ‘wind pipe instrument’ is turned into mourning.” That wouldn’t make any sense.
@@beepeejayj865 Are you depending on the etymology only for the meaning of a word? Isn't context more of a factor to be taken into consideration? All I am saying is that in Psalm 150, that word does not mean dance (as in bodily movement) but a musical instrument, whatever it may mean in other context ( some of which are unclear). No, I don't know Hebrew and do depend on what the experts say. I listen to what they ALL say, and then allow the H.S. to enlighten my mind to make the distinction. God bless.
Dancing has always been a form of worship in the Bible. People look for a scripture that gives specific permission for everything they don't like but don't apply the same rules for things that they do regularly. Where in scripture are we instructed to sit stoically before the Lord?
Right! Even when the Lord brought the children of Israel out of Egypt. He told pharaoh let me people go so they can have a party/ feast/festival in honor of me in the wilderness Exodus 5: 1-13 God loves singing and dancing , celebrating in his honor there is no doubt to me about that .
@@simplyroyalty7458No .
Wasn't Mary quietly sitting by the feet of Jesus christ while listening to him teaching?
Listening to the preaching not worship
Not in the temple or synagogues. Those are very orderly and spontaneity was not in the equation.
You can dance anywhere at anytime for the Glory of God so long as your heart is right before God. Agreed some people abuse that, but we’re not the Holy Spirit, He judges that!!!😊
If the Holy Spirit is in us, he can give us power to judge. That's why the Bible mentions for us to hold each other accountable
Where is that in Scripture? Sounds like that's just how you feel.
Amen
@@jimj78 there is a difference between correction and judging, if i said you did is wrong im correcting you
but if i said what you did is wrong and call you a bad person i have judged you
I’ve been in church most of my life (starting at the age of 10). In my opinion, dancing in this 21st century is done as “showmanship.” The church is dancing as a form of spirituality. In other words, if you can’t dance or don’t dance, you’re not spiritual or even a Christian. It’s done as a form of entertainment. David was not in a church!
"Praise Him with the cymbal
Praise Him with the dance
Praise Him with the shofar
Praise Him with your hands
Praise Him with the timbrel
Praise Him with the harp
Praise Him with the drum and the flute
Praise Him with your heart"
- Hallelu et Adonai by Ted Pearce/ Paul Wilbur
If you're dancing solely because YOU want to, you're doing it disruptively, if you dance because Ruach Ha'Kadosh moves you to, then by all means, dance your dance of praise and worship.
That's not Biblical teaching.
J Ritt, that is a poem or a song. It was written by man. It's not in the Bible.
@@jojijosette5946you think all of God is confined to a book? When God is infinitely above us and our feeble minds aren't able to comprehend all God is.
Praise, worship and dance are all mentioned in the Bible.
And I'm afraid you don't determine what God finds acceptable to Him.
@@OpenMawProductionsI didn't claim it was.
God is far more than just the Bible.
You don't get to determine how the holy spirit moves people.
@@jojijosette5946 This is in the Bible. It’s Psalm 150.
“Praise him with the blast of a ram’s horn; praise him with harp and lyre. Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and flute. Praise him with resounding cymbals; praise him with clashing cymbals. Let everything that breathes praise the Lord. Hallelujah!”
Psalms 150:3-6
Yes, we can dance as worship to our Lord
Yessss.
Nowhere in Scripture is worship ever depicted as being done to music, song or dance. Praise is, but praise isn't worship.
The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó). Unsurprisingly, the verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior.
It's really hard to sing, play music, or dance, with your face planted on the ground in humble reverence.
People can't just take anything they dream up, inflict it on God, and expect Him to accept it as worship. Nadab and Abihu probably thought their hearts were in the right place (Leviticus 10:1-2), but look at what happened to them.
God determines the rules for how He will be worshipped, not us - and especially not whatever carnality some people have the gall to call being spirit-led.
That is a clear example of worshiping God through dancing of Joy. You cant manipulate that man. I will dance, shout, sing, because he saved my life!! Period!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nowhere in Scripture is worship ever depicted as being done to music, song or dance. Praise is, but praise isn't worship.
The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó). Unsurprisingly, the verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior.
It's really hard to sing, play music, or dance, with your face planted on the ground in humble reverence.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh I'm sorry, but you're wrong. PLEASE carefully read Psalms -- I don't remember where exactly it is, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL VERSES TALKING ABOUT 'DANCING & PRAISING THE LORD IN THE SANCTUARY"!!!!!!!
@@Berean_with_a_BTh Please read Psalms 149, verses 1 to 3. Then read Psalms 150, verses 1 thru 4. Talking about DANCING in the sanctuary.
@@repentjesusiscomingsoon1529
Go back to school and learn to read. Where do either of those Psalms mention _worship?_
The Hebrew and Greek words for praise and worship are not synonyms are not translated interchangeably. You won't find a single instance of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah) or the Greek verb προσκυνέω (proskuneó) being translated as 'praise' or of the Hebrew verb הָלַל (halal) or the Greek verb ἔπαινος (epainos) being translated as 'worship' anywhere in Scripture for the simple reason that they describe entirely different things.
Man, then why did Yah give us the ability to dance? What is dancing for if not for praise?
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Our god even gave us the ability to sin! So it is for praise? You should patiently read what apostle Paul wrote about it.
@@peterschelenberg1008 no, Adam and Eve gave us the ability to sin by eating the forbidden fruit. This is nowhere in the Bible that God opposes us to dance. Dance is a form a praise. You can’t tell people how to praise either. Our connections to God is a personal experience.
Some of you Christian’s are something else
@@Ty.k1ngAdam and Eve didn't give us sin, THEY committed sin by eating the forbidden fruit which makes sin possible in the first place. Please read the bible again
@@Ty.k1ngGod is the one that gave us free will to sin but does that make it okay to sin? Heck no.
"Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; let the people of Zion be glad in their King. Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with timbrel and harp." - Psalm 149:2-3
Be careful not to throw burdens on people that God is not burdening people with. The Pharisees had "justification" for forbidding healing on the sabbath
Right on. Nailed it. Dancing before the Lord is absolutely Biblical…as is shouting, cymbals, raising of hands.
Worship of Old Testament and New Testament are different john4:23
Psalms 150:3-6
Psalms 150:3-6
Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals! Let everything that has breath praise the LORD!
If you are really dancing for the Lord, and not interrupting the service. But, really dancing for the Lord. not, just dancing like you feel like it, or because you are happy. It comes down to the heart.
The heart is a wicked thing.
Never quench the Holy Spirit...enter into his courts with praise..let no one dictate how you should praise and worship the Lord...so long as it's not 'fleshy' - and if it is fleshy that's between you and God AND other true worshippers with the true Spirit of God will pick up any false spirits.
Yes, you can dance for the Lord and before the Lord. C'mon children of God!
Praise the Lord with shout, voice, singing, dancing and every other gift that He has bestowed on you🙌🙌🙌
Who says
Paganism getting into churches
Dancing isn’t a gift
YEAHH IM GONNA DANCE LIKE DAVID IN THE STREETS FOR THE LORD
@@Huckleberry68holy ghost is
I dance in church. I don't even like public attention. Sometimes I don't even want to stand up, but God has done so much for me, and sometimes I feel moved to stand up and worship. I don't want eyes on me, but I silently talk to God and say, "It's You and me," meaning I'm not putting on a show for anyone. It's just me and Him. Sometimes I'll even just close my eyes and sway.
Totally agree. If we really just think about it. The people that criticize dancing they probably go dance to all types of music at events that doesn’t glorify God.
Me too.
Will you Dance if God hasn’t done anything to you ? He is not your genie !
@@Aslanthedoodle The fact she is living is already a gift of God, so there is always something to glorify. Btw, I don’t think she is saying God is a genie. She is just thankful, because God is good all the time.
At church, I've always been quieted in awe of God. Privately at home, I've danced a lot, but it's not a show. I can dance like a twerp and God doesn't care.
YES! At church I have my choir steps to the beat. Not at church I'm going buck wild
I usually agree with Voddie, but i think he did not make his case at all when pressed on the issue.
I dont believe we MUST dance in God's presence, but i believe We're ALLOWED to dance in God's presence.
Praise the Lord ! I didn’t know that you could praise the Lord with dancing until the Spirit of the Lord fell on me and I began dancing in a church that I was visiting . I was shocked that I was dancing . I didn’t know what was happening to me . I was the only one who broke out dancing . A pastor who was also visiting the church came up to me after I stopped and asked me who was my pastor . He said he was not trying to steal me from my pastor.
I didn’t know it was in the Bible to praise the Lord with dancing when it happened to me
OH YES, Make a Joyful Noise unto The Lord and shout and dance before Him!!!
Cringe
@@BurningTheLife scoffers …
@@MasonHatfieldLogorrhea no, not scoffers. There’s a time and place for everything. In church, you are in the presence of Almighty God, not at some party house. If God himself came to you in physical form, you’d fall on your knees and beg him to show mercy. Show some respect.
@@danielsan9850 so are you saying that David was irreverent in the face of the Lord ? The Bible even says to Praise his name in the dance. Now I agree that not every service is a shouting and dancing service but to say it has no place in the church is not Biblical. I have scripture for my argument ? Do you ?
Tod Friel hasn't got a clue! Tod claimed to have some Bible verses on worship, then confronted Voddie with a passage that had _nothing_ to do with worship.
*2 Samuel **6:14*
_David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod._
But David's dancing isn't said to have had anything to do with worship - all the context depicts is David's joyful celebration along with Israel at large - as the context makes inescapable clear:
*2 Samuel 6:5*
_And David and all the house of Israel were making merry before the LORD with all their might, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals._
In other words, they were partying, not worshiping.
Praise, worship, blessing, thanksgiving, and prayer are all quite different things and we can't simply foist whatever we want on God and expect Him to accept it as whatever we choose to call it. Christians should learn what the biblical meanings are, rather than imposing modern redefinitions them. These words in Scripture have very specific meanings and, when it comes to our interactions with God, we disregard those meanings to our cost - perhaps even to our peril.
For example, Psalm 5:7; 22:7; 29:2; 66:4; 95:6; 96:9; 97:7; 99:5, 9; 102:22; 106:19; & 132:7 are about worship, whilst all of Psalm 150 is about praise, and doesn't even mention worship. Indeed, there are more references to praise in Psalm 150 than there are references to worship in the entire Book of Psalms. Hardly surprising given that the Hebrew title for the book תהילים (tehillim) basically means 'praises' - as does the Greek title, ψαλμός (psalmos). Psalm 95 differentiates thanksgiving, praise and worship
What is commonly passed off as worship today has nothing to do with a Scriptural understanding of worship, or even of praise. Jesus summed up the problem:
_This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men._ (Matthew 15:8-9)
If one isn't doing what Scripture calls worship, then one isn't doing what Jesus said God requires of us:
_God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth._ (John 4:24)
Simply throwing the word 'worship' or 'praise' into a song or declaration doesn't make it worship or praise. Likewise, singing _about_ worship and praise isn't the same as _doing_ worship and praise. Many of the songs sung to God in churches today are a blend of praise, blessing and thanksgiving, even prayer at times, but they're not _worship._
You can't just take anything you or someone else dream up, inflict it on God, and expect Him to accept it as worship.
God determines the rules for how He will be worshipped, not us - and especially not whatever carnality some people have the gall to call being spirit-led.
The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó).
The main verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior.
The Old and New Testament view of worship is one that combines the humble, reverential, attitude of mind and body in homage. This is something rarely seen in churches today. Nowhere in Scripture does worship ever have anything to do with music, singing or dancing. Indeed, anyone who pays attention to what the Hebrew and Greek words mean and describe would recognize in an instant the implausibility of a worshipper doing any of those things while worshiping. Psalm 95:6 typifies the physical posture attending worship:
_O come, let us worship and bow down, let us kneel before the LORD, our Maker!_
When was the last time you were on church and God was worshipped this way?
One thing worship is not is cavorting about the place making a spectacle of oneself. Those who engage in such activity typically try to defend dancing as a form of worship on the basis of 2 Samuel 6:14:
_David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod._
But David's dancing isn't said to have had anything to do with _worship_ - all the context depicts is David's joyful celebration along with Israel at large - as is plainly stated in 2 Samuel 6:5:
_And David and all the house of Israel were making merry before the LORD with all their might, with songs and lyres and harps and tambourines and castanets and cymbals._
In other words, they were partying, not worshiping.
There are 112 references to worship in the Old Testament. There isn't a single mention of worship involving singing, music, or dance in any of them! See, for example: Genesis 24:26, 48; Exodus 4:31; 12:27; 33:10; 34:8; Deuteronomy 26:10; Joshua 5:14; Judges 7:15; 1 Samuel 1:3, 19, 28; 15:25, 30-31; 2 Samuel 12:20; 15:8, 32; 2 Kings 5:18; 18:22; 1 Chronicles 16:29; 29:20; 2 Chronicles 7:3; 20:18; 29:28-30; Nehemiah 8:6; 9:3, 6; Job 1:20; Psalm 5:7; 22:7; 29:2; 66:4; 95:6; 96:9; 97:7; 99:5, 9; 102:22; 106:19; 132:7, etc.
Praise, however, is often associated with singing, making music, and dancing:
*Music*
1 Chronicles 23:5; 25:3; 2 Chronicles 5:13; 7:6; Ezra 3:10; Psalm 33:2; 43:4; 71:22; 98:5; 150:3-5
*Singing (55 times)*
2 Samuel 22:4; 22:50; 1 Chronicles 16:9; 2 Chronicles 5:13; 20:21-22; 28:30; 30:21; Nehemiah 22:46; Psalm 7:17; 9:2, 11; 18:49; 31:13; 47:6-7
*Dancing*
Psalm 149:3; 150:4
Given that the Greek and Hebrew words used for worship in the Bible describe people bowing down and prostrating themselves, ask yourself how anyone would have been making music using the kinds of instruments they had back then, let alone singing and dancing, at the same time as they're worshiping.
Some advocates of the unbiblical activities they pass off as worship try to defend their position by claiming worship and praise, for example, are synonyms and that the Hebrew and Greek words mean the same thing. But there is good reason for there not being a single instance of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah) or the Greek verb προσκυνέω (proskuneó) being translated as 'praise' or of the Hebrew verb הָלַל (halal) or the Greek verb ἔπαινος (epainos) being translated as 'worship' anywhere in Scripture: because they describe entirely different things.
2 Samuel 6:14 - And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
When the anointing of the Holy Ghost hits you. You will dance in church I have many many times over the 39 years that I've been in church. Sometimes it's hard for me to walk to get in church I have problems with my legs but when the anointing of God hits me the power of God. My feet come off the floor.
Me too Sis Janette. Its a wonder if my wig don't come off! 🤣🤣🤣 be blessed!
@@cuprunnethover2509 thank you God bless you
What do you mean by the anointing of the Holy Ghost "hitting" you? When you accept Christ you receive the holy spirit then correct? I don't personally care if people dance but the Holy Spirit isn't a sensation or something that hits you from time to time. I may be misunderstanding what you mean by what you're saying but it sounds like you're idea of the Holy Ghost is something that is a feel so good I gotta dance feeling and that reduces the 3rd member of the Trinity to something that alcohol does for some people..ie When the whiskey hits me I just dance in happiness and also (makes it hard to walk)
@@dl6321 I'm talking about praising the Lord with all of your heart. The joy of the Lord comes up on you and you speak with other tongues. Like the word of God says. There is no feeling in the world no alcohol no drugs can take the place of the Holy Ghost and the way he makes you feel. I know been there and done that. I wouldn't trade the Holy Ghost for nothing in this world. Nothing in this world could ever even compare to him. You won't know what I mean till you get right with God and get the Holy Ghost, and evidence of speaking in tongues. God bless you.
Test the spirits as Jesus Said. Pray for discernment and most of all the Holy Spirit is peaceful and likes no loves order! No chaos. Please fellow Christians read the WHOLE Bible!
If the Holy Spirit is moving you to dance in church then dance
That is really what is about, living in the presence of God daily, so He is with us wherever we go. However, many don't experience the reality and love of God. This the authentic believer who truly hears from our Lord, listens and sees, and does what our Lord shares and shows us to do.
Just going to leave this here: "Praise his name with dancing, accompanied by tambourine and harp. 4 For the Lord delights in his people; he crowns the humble with victory." Psalms 149:3-4
I also can't help but see a racial undertone to this. The Reformed/Calvanist is traditionally European and Male. In contrast, the black church (& brown) has long been demonized for our more expressive worship styles, specifically by certain white faith traditions, not because its actually wrong but because it does not fit their cultural preference. This is something to take note of, especially because Christianity is not a European faith. I think Calvanists often forget that God is also Spirit and supernatural in addition to caring about theology.
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This is highly religious and wrong to say dancing in church is not Biblical. Psalm 149:3 says to dance to God. Exodus 15:20-21 they danced to God. Psalm 150:4 says to dance to God during praise and worship. David danced to God. It doesn’t say God was upset at his dancing it says his wife was, much like the reformed. Ecclesiastes 3:4 says there’s a time to dance. Is that just for weddings? We have a spiritual wedding to prepare for. The entire Bible associates dancing with joy Lamentations 5:15, psalms 30:11-12. So joy is associated with dancing. Psalms 100 says to worship God with a joyful noise. It associates joy with worshipping Him in His presence. Psalm 98:4 says to make a joyful noise to Him. Again joy associated with worship and joy again has been associated with dancing.
Beware of strict teachers who are Pharisees who strain a gnat. They take a tiny issue and make it a big one and put heavy burdens on people. Don’t listen to rocks my friends unless you want to worship God like a spiritually dead rock. Obey the Bible and dance and don’t listen to these two men who are confused. Bochum and Friel are 100% wrong here.
No Voddie!! I don’t understand why no one is speaking out against Voddie. Voddie doesn’t think it takes all that. HOWEVER some of us know scriptures for ourselves Voddie.! Many places in the Bible speaks of dancing for the Lord Ecclesiastes and many scriptures but my favorite is psalm 149 3-4. Let them praise His ñame with dancing and make music to him with timbrel and harp. Voddie doesn’t think that’s necessary. We don’t have an ark or a king? I disagree Voddie!! We have the King of King and Lord of Lords and it would behoove you to praise and worship him. Teaching is wonderful but you aren’t teaching the Bible all way. Humble yourself before God humbled you Voddie!!!
If you know of Voddie, you would know that he is a godly man. I think he might just be skeptical about dancing , since people take scripture out of context. Most don’t ask those questions because they know it implies an intimacy with The Lord. They ask so they could practice dancing as a cover up.
@@robertosantibanez Do you know Voddie personally? The way some of you believers go hard for ppl you have never meant is astounding. Anyone who despises prophecy and gifts alike is sus in my book. The Bible clearly tells us not to despise prophecy. As far as dancing David dance so much that his wife looked down upon him for doing so. The scripture is clear even a babe in Christ can see that. There’s no need to be deep.
@@IHeartJesus-777 I know Voddie as much as you. I don't go hard for no one, but it's fine to admire godly people who live by the word. I didn't know dancing was a gift? Dancing can be learn and mastered to a degree just like many forms of music. David's wife is but a product of his bad judgment, for seeking a wife that wasn't for him.
None of the OT verses are in the context of the Church. There is no NT evidence or scripture for dancing in the Church. None.
@@rlhicks1 so you’re just going to ignore the Old Testament verse I provided?? Ok. lol. I’m not responding to this foolishness and taking my peace with me.
If David who the Bible that was inspired by the Holy spirit calls David “a man after Gods own heart” and a “mighty man of valor” danced in the presence of God I think dancing in church is fine. God created music, God created rhythm and if the holy spirit is moving in someone and they respond by dance I don’t see the problem.
Yes but he didnt dance in the church?
@@manarakhs9860 there wasn’t a church building to dance in. And don’t try to compare a church building to a temple in David’s time because the New Testament makes it clear that our bodies are now the temple of God not man made buildings…IMMANUEL
"Ecclesiastes 3:4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance. " And what time is that? "Psalm 150: 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs." Praise time, that's when!
Its really sad to see so many Christians arguing over this and believing we can know what is in each others hearts.
Its also sad that some men are talking about women dancing in church "distracting" them. Just close yours eyes and focus on God. Worship is definitely not about watching other people to see how they worship or what they're going to do.
David danced before the Lord on a road, Miriam and a bunch of other women danced and sang before the Lord on the other side of the Red sea. Okay so these were not churches. Does it matter? I don't see how when the church building is not the temple of God you are!
I'll dance for joy because God redeemed me and set me free! I'll dance because God sees fit to live and dwell inside me. Why should the enemy be allowed to have dance when God is the creator?
The joy of the Lord is my strength is it yours? Does dancing fill you with joy? Do you think it fills God with joy to see you enjoying life and all the things that He has given us?
The ark is the God's presence..the holy spirit...the king is God so...we do have!
That's right! Well said!
There is nothing like the joy of dancing in pure worship to the King.
I love true teaching straight from the Bible! Now a days people don't teach based on the Bible. They based their teachings on their opinion.
May the LORD keep on fulfilling those who fear HIM with his Wisdom and Peace.
HOW MANY SCRIPTURES DO THEY NEED TO PROVE GOD LOVES DANCING IN HIS CHURCH/MIDST!!
Exodus 15:20 - And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
Psalms 149:3 - Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
2 Samuel 6:14 - And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
1 Chronicles 15:29 - And it came to pass, as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, that Michal the daughter of Saul looking out at a window saw king David dancing and playing: and she despised him in her heart.
Psalms 30:11 - Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;
Psalms 149:3 - Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psalms 150:4 - Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Ecclesiastes 3:4 - A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
I’ll tell you this, I was in The Assembly of God church for 20 years of my first marriage & I could not accept all the hoopla & hollering, running up & down the isle, flipping flopping all over the floor & hearing all this mumbling & gibberish they call tongues. It was the hardest thing to go through but I did it because at the time because I thought I was doing what God expected me to do by following my husband at the time.
Knowing what I know now, I wished I never spent on day of my life in some of those demonic spirited churches. Today they are call Charismatic Movement, Prosperity Churches, claim it and name it churches. If your in one of these, RUN for your life & NEVER LOOK BACK! It’s NOT a true church!
You need discernment to tell if it's spiritual or not.
Everyone says to run and everytime I ask why no one tells me why. In my view I could be wrong I'm new to the faith forgive my ignorance but shouldn't we help our brothers and sisters see the truth?
You’re supposed to speak in tounges
I agree with you
I was raised in a Pentecostal church since a young child
I was set free from the charismatic beliefs when I became a adult and left home
@@edsona.7430
Says who? The Bible doesn't say that.
In Psalm 149:3 said: “ Let them praise him with dancing… praise him with tambourine and dance.
Praise him with the timbrel and dance praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Psalm 150:4
Church services should be orderly. Dancing decidedly has a tendency to be disorderly. The fact that someone can prophesy does not mean he should interrupt the preaching with prophecies or speaking in tongues. Paul was careful to make that a point.
Most preachers don't understand about worship,, men can and do dance and worship
This is not a heaven or hell issue. In anything that we do, God judges the motive of the heart. If someone is dancing in church to give praise to God, that is one thing. If someone is dancing in church to be seen of men, that is other thing.
When I saw this I was on the fence about giving an opinion. So from the top of the fence here goes.
You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me with joy.
- Psalm 30:11
praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and pipe.
- Psalm 150:4
Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise-
the fruit of lips that openly profess his name.
- Hebrews 13:15
Praise the Lord. Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise in the assembly of his faithful people.
Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; let the people of Zion be glad in their King.
Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with timbrel and harp.
- Psalm 149:1-3
Pastor...you can stand still. I will praise God and dance in church. We do not worship you. We worship God and he loves it. Glory be to GOD!!💪🥳🙏🙏🙏
I’m not even a Christian and I figure this is obvious. Dancing is a valid form of worship for the Lord, but it’s not necessary to do if you don’t want to?
Like I didn’t even think this was a question
I think it stems from ppl dancing for dancing(s) sake. Not as an overwhelming expression of joy from the Holy Spirit.
Only Jesus can save you from your sins and Hell! Not religion!
@@ramoth777 I’m pretty sure following Jesus and/or his father is a religion mate
He has some very specific things he does not like
I see it as undignified, and thus unsuitable for doing in church. I believe liturgical, solemn and unified worship is proper and appropriate for worshiping God.
Is this even suppose to be an argument?
What nonsense!
Enter into his gates with Thanksgiving and into his courts with Praise.
They need to read the Bible properly you can dance for the lord David danced before the lord and when his wife chastises him he rebukes her read the passage
She rebuked him because he was either naked or wearing something very revealing.
There's only one reason why I believe adding dancing to the order of worship is not appropriate is simply because the church we have in the new testament didn't do it. Simple!
David wasn't in a church, the temple under the old and not the New Testament. Jesus himself didn't dance while he was on earth..
I'm noticing a concerning pattern. The church has become so overrun by liscentiousness, that now a lot of teachers are pulling so far away thay they're bordering or crossing into legalism. We see all these "pastors" saying "Do whatever you want! God understands!" and we recoil and correctly discern that to be wrong, but in our efforts to "not fall victim" to liscentiousness, we stray into legalism. I think it's a good reminder that it's not any better to be a Pharisee than it is a Prostitute. It's just as serious of a sin to put extra-biblical restrictions on people as it is to encourage people to sin. Isaiah 29:13 "The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught"
Yeah this is a good comment.
I agree wholly, but is also true that is better to be wrong on the side of caution. If I am wrong in not dancing I just missed a couple of moves that i could have busted in church, If I am wrong in dancing I have been displeasing the Lord in my worship my whole life.
@AdamFontenet-iy3tb Because it's not sound Biblical discipleship if it isn't rooted in the Scriptures. Paul absolutely discusses things that are not allowed in church, not once does he ban dancing. It would be solid Biblical discipleship if the word of God commanded us to obstain from dancing in church, but it doesn't haha So people who take that position have no Biblical ground to stand on, they are simply imposing their own feelings on the Church. I am not saying I think dancing in church is great, but what I am saying is that we have freedom in Christ and it is legalism to put man-made, unbiblical rules on other believers based solely on your own personal feelings.
I would say we all have to pray for discernment and be willing to accept the truth, regardless of if it agrees with our position or not.
I still think it’s not dignified to dance in church. If it isn’t edifying, it shouldn’t be a regular practice.
@@hismajesty6272your opinion does not matter
I dont feel comfortable in those churches where they go nuts. I just feel out of place
Everything to be done decently and orderly when worshiping collectively not to bring insult to god or that assembly . papa
“And David “DANCED” before the Lord with all his might….”
~2 Samuel 6:14~
“Let them Praise the name of the Lord in the dance…
~Psalms 149:3~
Now, this is NOT DISCO DANCING OR SLOW DANCING WITH A PARTNER OR AS A COUPLE OR POLE DANCING! This is what the Jews did and still do, IT IS ALSO written in the Scripture, so you CANNOT SAY IT IS NOT BIBLICAL. Although it’s not a “MANDATORY” PRACTICE, you cannot condemn those who do it in holy praise.
I'm reminded of the song, who's lyrics are written as follows:
"I will dance, i will sing,
to be mad for my King,
nothing more is hindering
this passion in my soul
And I'll become even more undignified than this
Some will say it's foolishness..."
It's a great song. I was whooping and hollering because it was a great time in praising God. It's hard finding a church that does that today.
Who wrote that song? Man. Who wrote the Bible? It's God's word. I would take instruction from the Bible, rather from a song written by man.
@@jojijosette5946
Well said.
Psalm 150…
Bibles are free in most churches and since you’re in a comment section in UA-cam I’d imagine you have a device of some sort and internet Bible gateway is a free online Bible .
@@Huckleberry68
I have the MySword Bible app. A Bible app that has bibles going all the way back to Wycliffe, Tyndall, and the great vowel shift in over 20 languages. It has books and essays written by the most influential commentators of Christianity. I don't need another Bible app telling me how to follow God's commandments and the faith of Jesus.
1Praise[a] the Lord!
Sing to the Lord a new song,
And His praise in the assembly of saints.
2Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3Let them praise His name with the dance;
Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp.
4For the Lord takes pleasure in His people;
i absolutely LOVE Voddie!!!
Yes dancing in the church is ok as its a form a worship. We can do everything in worship even sweeping a floor!
Voddie my dear brother in Christ, The reason why David didn’t dance in the church is because we are the church. I’m surprised you didn’t get that
Yup
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Nice joke
So the reason people go to church on Sunday is ? 😅
Relax man
He was referring to the worship that take buildings called church ... Let's not change the goal post
@@Josh_E2405, it’s because Roman Emperor Constantine changed the concept and turn into a rule while calling buildings the church.
it’s not a bad thing to go to a building but essentially that’s just a building and we are the church of God.
Actually, YOU'RE not getting the biblical message.
Went right over his head 😭 the easiest revelation that can be read in between the lines 😂 love this man, but this was off
Psalms 150;
“Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: Praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: Praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: Praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: Praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: Praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath Praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.”
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Halal - primarily a Hebrew root word for praise. Our word “ hallelujah” comes from this base word. It means “to be clear, to shine, to boast, show, rave, celebrate, to be clamorously foolish.
God deserves our praise,
The Bible says let everything that has breath praise the Lord, and that word praise has different hebrew meanings towards it (Yadah, Barak, Tehillah, Shabach) its about singihg, shouting, dancing unto the Lord, so that our hearts are prepared to hear His word and that we can enter into His holy place and experience the presence of thr Lord in the most holy place, Worship is a journey
And saying its not biblically robs people from experiencing Gods presence and joy
It’s OK to go to ball games and shout and dance around, it’s Ok to go to your kids graduation and shout and dance around, but you best not get emotional in Church and celebrate the greatest victory of all mankind.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE STUFFED SHIRTS THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS? Shame on you guys for mocking and putting down Christians that want to celebrate their faith.
Psalm 150:4….clear as day
i like the comments !!! dancing, singing all fall on the same boat we have secular music and we have gospel music and there's people dancing for self pleasure and THERE'S PEOPLE WHO GO TO CHURCH SING PRAISE BY CLAPPING THEIR HANDS AND MOVING THEIR BODY FOR GOD. i am a child of GOD i dance for GOD, but he talks to me and answers my prayers meaning my dancing for him is not bad not in the slightest. AMEN why is this even a debate here in Africa we sing for GOD while dancing a lot for our JESUS .
I love Voddie. Man of God.
Calvinism is a false gospel
@kM-ij2ly how so?
Sing to the LORD a new song,
And His praise in the assembly of saints. Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name with the dance; Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3
I really enjoy the rapport between these two❤❤
The power of The Spirit can make you move in different ways, other than that i have no idea about dancing in The Church.
I love Voddie so much.
Same and Paul Washer seriously they are honorable and genuine men of God. The way they talk about their wives and family gets me the most. We need more men of God like them.
He preaches a false gospel
@@kM-ij2lyHe preaches Jesus Christ death and resurrection and atonement for sin. There is no other Gospel!
@@observingcat9049 He preaches satanic calvinism ie that God chooses people who are saved which is demonic
@@observingcat9049 No he does not this is a lie. He never preaches the Gospel. He thinks the idea of being born again is daft. I have asked him myself when he was showing off someone has become a Christian in his ministry. I asked him has the new Christian been born again. He told me this was a daft question. Bob also believes you can lose salvation which is a lie from hell.
The other point is ecumenical ideas is not only unbiblical but illogical as the different church denominations have different beliefs in salvation which is the gospel!
Psalm 149:3
New King James Version
3 Let them praise His name with the dance;
Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp.
David is not in the Church. that's it. brothers and sisters we know how sacred the church is.
Right !He was NOT in the Temple. The ARC was out of the Temple too. He danced and leaped, celebrating, the glory of GOD being in their presence. HalleluYah Amen 🙏🏿🔥♥️
Jesus said not to pray in public or flaunt your faith like the hypocrites in the synagogue. Jesus was against organized religion and places of worship.
@@rc59191 that’s a huge stretch. Jesus went and taught in the synagogue on the Sabbath. He also overturned the tables at the Temple because He recognized it as a place of worship to God. He was against the heartless ritualism and legalism of the Pharisees, not “organized religion”
King David danced unto the Lord. If he did it, I’m going to do it. So now! I don’t care what pastor or teacher say. As long as I am not twerking on no one but I’m praising and dancing to God by myself or around other members. It’s not a sin if it’s glorifying Christ and Christ is the center and not myself.
Wow, what a terrible answer. It’s not that specific verse that gives us permission. As people saved by the redemptive blood of Christ our freedom to worship rests in the Holy Spirit.
Ok but there's a time and place for everything. What is the purpose of church? Is it to be filled with the spirit and act out, or to pour out our praise unto the Lord? If we are to act out in the spirit, where is the line? If I start shouting louder than everyone, or dancing on the stage, am I allowed to just because the spirit made me? There must be a level of self-control and respect for God, and the congregation that does not distract others or make a mockery of worship.
Psalm 149:3
Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp
"No, I won't dance in church, bc I have too much pride to do it. In fact, I really don't believe in worshipping the Lord at all, I believe in worshiping my intellectual acuity & Bible lawyer ing." Good job smh
Geez...strawman much?
@matthewmartin7639 have fun being a learned intellectual, and non spiritual
@AdamFontenet-iy3tb the word actually has action behind it. This guy makes up rules that aren't scriptural. Amd no I have nothing to do with New Age garbage. I'm in full-time ministry, and this is not the word. The word doesn't have a high minded spirit behind it. This is high minded, intellectual superiority.
Psalms 149:3 - Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
You it’s funny how people can always find justification to do something without God’s approval. Who is the number 1 worshipper of all time? Who worshipped God the absolute correct way without blemishes. Right the Son of God. But, we are going to imitate a form of worship from a man who was a murder and adulterer. I see why most Christians can’t overcome sin. The Bible says follow and mark the perfect and upright. How about following Jesus Christ as our model of worship. He never dance, ran or laughed out load, screamed, and every other type of emotional behavior. The way of the cross is a changed mind, not emotionalism. I feel sorry for this weak and perverse generation. They hate scripture, they exult personal relationships over the truth of God’s word. Every thing with this generation is what I personally believe and my convictions. Let all you be liars and the Bible truth. God said, he is looking for true worshippers, not form and fashion. “If the Spirit falls on you” please, that’s the music and the charisma of the singer and preacher. Soon as some of you get a bad report, all the dancing go out the window, soon as your money dry up , where is the Spirit now? Your spouse cheats on, kids disrespect you, your whole life is a mess, God can’t pay you to dance. Going to church saying pray for me. Emotionalism has no power over Satan, dancing has no power over the dark things in this world. But a change mind. God wants your obedience not your emotional outburst.
The land is sick because of all this foolishness in America. Same sex on a all time high, public schools teaching kids about pornography, the government is crooked. And you all talking David dance. And where did that get David, sadly since this event in David life, you see a slow downward decline of David. He numbers the people, which the Lord hated, he married multiple wives, which the Lord said not for the king to do. None of his children were raise godly, we know the story of Uriah and how his own son conspired against him, and the list goes on and on. David life did not end how it started. I am not going in on David, I am making a point, you don’t look to men on how God is to be worship unless they are perfect and upright. Look to Jesus, the Author and finisher of your faith.
What if David would had built the temple without asking God. So is everyone that give God worship he never asked for. Start with seek you first his righteousness and trust me, that is move than a dance or praise. Holiness or Hell…you decide
Well said. GOD BLESS YOU.
AMEN AMEN & AMEN 👊🏽💥
Man I'm late for this but, Jesus didn't need to shout and be emotional because he was the one dying for people sins, if you can't get emotional..overjoyed, shouting to praise his name idk what to tell you. Do you realize what he went through so that we all might live. People tend to focus on him being nailed to the cross, but what about the emotional pain of taking on all our sins even though we are not worthy? That's reason enough to shout and praise his name!!
Me I don't dance AT ALL. Dancing is just something I don't do. I grew up in a charismatic church and they made it seem you are required to dance to praise and worship God. When in reality, dancing is a permitted act of worship by God. Every time I went up to the alter, to "dance", it NEVER felt real. Same goes for slaying in the spirit. The relationship between Jesus and I seems to be more focused and serving.
Thing is a lot of Christian think there's a one sized fits all relationship with Jesus when in reality Jesus know exactly how to win everyone's hearts. Personally. Just Jesus and you.
I've come to conclusion that Jesus loves me, I love Him and our relationship is beautiful. Seek Jesus people. It would help you a ton.
The building isn't the church, we are!
Amen!
I’m 20, very young in my walk with Christ, saved at 18. I’ve danced and even brought a tambourine to church to dance and worship the Lord.
Nowhere in Scripture is worship ever depicted as being done to music, song or dance. Praise is, but praise isn't worship.
The basic meaning of the Hebrew verb שָׁחָה (shachah), which appears 172 times in the Old Testament and is translated 96 times as 'worship' in the RSV is 'to bow down', or 'to prostrate oneself', before God, a monarch or a superior. In the Septuagint, the corresponding Greek verb is προσκυνέω (proskuneó). Unsurprisingly, the verb for worship in the New Testament is προσκυνέω (proskuneó), which appears 60 times, with the basic meaning 'to kiss the ground when prostrating oneself' before God, a monarch or a superior.
It's really hard to sing, play music, or dance, with your face planted on the ground in humble reverence.
Man… imagine thinking that this silly conversation is what the Lord shed his blood for. People arguing whether dancing is ok… Lord help us.
David was very connected with God and feeling spiritually emotional and trying to please God is how I see this scripture
Sound like a bunch of foot loose ...humble yourself and look at what Jesus did for us
Dancing before the Lord with JOY in your heart is truly acceptable to Him.
The real question to me is what the context is inside the church. At our church there is a special worship service once a month in addition to regular services. It is nothing but music, performance, some speaking and baptisms, etc. Some dance there. It is a “party” and time for frivolity.
In the regular services it’s a time for thoughtful and serious-minded reflection.
I think this appropriate.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24
One of the greatest gifts bestowed upon me was to have my eyes opened to the fact that Jesus has a sense of humor. Awesomely funny, I laugh until I am out of breath. I try to keep it in check, and my foundation is always taking Him seriously. But it is a form of loving him with all of my heart, my mind, my soul. My strength manifests by how all consuming my joy and laughter can be!
All for His Glory. Each should pick his own way of worship. If you enjoy dancing, then do it for His Glory. If you like to lay down on the ground to worship, great. If you kneel and throw your hands up, then wonderful. Do what you want to worship the Lord. The problem lies where people feel they have to do something because everyone else is doing it. Or people make you feel bad or that you don't have the Holy Spirit because you don't worship like them. There is the problem. Because then who are you doing it for?
Don’t try to do everything David did☝🏾
You are not David
Focus on things of Spirit & let’s not mix frivolity during Serious Issues of Worship. Did Jesus ever danced during Worship?
Right…..so calm down & get on your knees
Well said.
I dance and sing to show joy. It's an expression of joy. No convulsing but people can fall on their face or fall to their knees. When I dance I am full of joy, but I come from a life full of depression and despair so I only actually danced once and it wasn't a long or big dance but I was just so happy when we were singing a hymn that I just had to dance
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