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  • Опубліковано 9 січ 2024
  • Trying to educate children under the constant threat of violent death presents certain challenges.
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  • @Swimmingupstream11
    @Swimmingupstream11 4 місяці тому +539

    Steven, you can’t say you’re making a fun silly little sketch and then just write a really good episode of Star Trek

    • @memerminecraft585
      @memerminecraft585 4 місяці тому +36

      He basically wrote a good Lower Decks bottle episode

    • @thecactusman17
      @thecactusman17 3 місяці тому +7

      ​@@memerminecraft585I like Lower Decks but this would have been a genuinely amazing episode for TNG or DS9. Captain Picard would definitely have had some things to say if O'Brien's kid was old enough to remember the incident where she was taken hostage.

    • @loorthedarkelf8353
      @loorthedarkelf8353 3 дні тому

      Shhh before Peacock offers him a deal and puts all this great Trek behind a paywall ;3

  • @Jason_Pfeil
    @Jason_Pfeil 4 місяці тому +693

    Starfleet is sending its thoughts and prayers out to all the families on Galaxy-Class ships.

    • @davebo9615
      @davebo9615 4 місяці тому +24

      These ships need more counselors! 1 in every ship's school.

    • @destronger5313
      @destronger5313 4 місяці тому +5

      how many galaxy class ships are left?

    • @rudylikestowatch
      @rudylikestowatch 4 місяці тому +28

      ​@@davebo9615Yes, and give them and all their students phasers to protect themselves.

    • @relik0fages
      @relik0fages 4 місяці тому +2

      😆

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs 4 місяці тому +20

      @@rudylikestowatch Only a good guy with a phaser can protect from the threat of a bad guy with a phaser!

  • @geekystevencomedy
    @geekystevencomedy 4 місяці тому +443

    At first I'm like, this is dark and then I saw the point you were making and realized it needed to be 40% darker

    • @SteveShives
      @SteveShives  4 місяці тому +214

      See, my fear with it is that it's not funny enough. But, it's a tough balance to get right, because I want people who watch it to laugh, but I also want the point to get across, and like you said, the point is about a real-life situation so incredibly bleak that you can't make it _too_ funny or the impact of the point is lessened. I think I did all right with it. But, yeah, it could have been _soooooo_ much darker.

    • @joearnold6881
      @joearnold6881 4 місяці тому +117

      @@SteveShivesI think you did it right.
      It stayed morbidly funny until right around where you start to realize that it wasn’t about “haha silly Star Trek puts kids on the ship” but rather “oh. That’s us. We’re doing that. Only worse. Much Much worse.”

    • @geekystevencomedy
      @geekystevencomedy 4 місяці тому +72

      Ah yes, the "John Oliver writer's room dilemma"

    • @amymjennings
      @amymjennings 4 місяці тому +4

      @SteveShives love your positions mister, you know what's up, Thx ♥️

    • @pohjanvanamo
      @pohjanvanamo 4 місяці тому +7

      ​@@SteveShivesI'm only halfway, but I do think the funniness suffers a bit. The joke feels a bit sour. But I didn't understand any real life parallels until I came to the comments... But then again, I think I'm not actually the target audience here... This is for the USA, right?
      It still was a little bit funny, the absurdity of danger, families and all that. 😅 It's not bad, could be better, maybe :)

  • @abigfavor
    @abigfavor 4 місяці тому +738

    This video is about Star Trek, certainly *not* about gun violence in American schools destroying people's lives.

    • @keith6706
      @keith6706 4 місяці тому +128

      Star Trek never addresses social issues. That's what someone insisted while claiming Star Wars was getting too woke, so it must be true.

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs 4 місяці тому +65

      Absolutely, no subtext here at all, now move along folks, nothing to see. (/s)

    • @Kairamek
      @Kairamek 4 місяці тому +90

      This is too woke, not like regular Star Trek which never hits upon woke topics. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to rewatch DS9. The Cardasians are the real heroes of that show. Their style of government is perfection. /s

    • @MichaelRainey
      @MichaelRainey 4 місяці тому +27

      Common sense phaser control.

    • @ZyliahWar
      @ZyliahWar 4 місяці тому +30

      Star Trek isn't about anything important, so this is obviously a warning to D&D players about the problematic storytelling of having their characters bring children with them on adventures.

  • @theinsanebookworm
    @theinsanebookworm 4 місяці тому +347

    “Storage on the Sad Pad is full.” You’ve just described so many of our current mental states more succinctly than I ever could.

    • @hendrikrozijnenblad8666
      @hendrikrozijnenblad8666 4 місяці тому +20

      Too damn true!
      That was both funny, a full on gut punch, and weirdly enough i don't know if it made me want to cry, or wear it on a tshirt. (Probably both, tbh)

    • @OhhCrapGuy
      @OhhCrapGuy 4 місяці тому +17

      (I'm slightly sad you didn't spell it PADD) But agreed

    • @serronserron1320
      @serronserron1320 4 місяці тому

      Life has been that way for countless generations, they just didn't have a sad pad to use.

  • @TheYpurias
    @TheYpurias 4 місяці тому +320

    "That's why so many casualties of the Battle of Wolf 359 were children." Dark line. Helps put into perspective the lingering distrust and hate for Picard.

    • @danielland3767
      @danielland3767 4 місяці тому +23

      Which looking at it that way should frame Picard having to deal with that from people more.
      Aloe have anti-borg sentiment come to those like Hue & Seven.
      Also why hasn't Section 13 actively gone after the Borg?

    • @BrianS1981
      @BrianS1981 4 місяці тому +29

      The only time the fallout from Wolf 359 was even remotely looked at was in the pilot for DS9.

    • @DaoFAQ
      @DaoFAQ 4 місяці тому +7

      @@TF2CrunchyFrogSorry but what’s a “Born Borg”? Aren’t all Borg assimilated? They don’t have need for procreation between active assimilation and functional immortality.

    • @pfefferfilm
      @pfefferfilm 4 місяці тому +15

      @@DaoFAQ quick replacement of drones when travelling in deep space? We've seen borg incubators, though those could be different races put there while gestating, or clones of hard-to-find races; nonetheless Borg since birth. Versus Annika who had an independent childhood before assimilation

    • @kevinkeeney9418
      @kevinkeeney9418 4 місяці тому +21

      @@DaoFAQ They found a Borg baby in "Q Who" (before assimilation was invented by the show). It's fair to say that assimilated babies are effectively born Borg.

  • @CulturePhilter
    @CulturePhilter 4 місяці тому +153

    “What kind of society sends children to school in conductions where on any given day they could die a violent death”
    What society indeed. I like what you did there.

    • @ONEIL311
      @ONEIL311 4 місяці тому +4

      Most actually until recently and it's still probably the majority

    • @henkkahenrik4183
      @henkkahenrik4183 3 місяці тому

      ​​@@ONEIL311 nahh, as far as I know, there is exactly 1 society where education has really ever been a legit threat of students lives on regular basis, outside of active warzones. And as sadly common as active war zones are, they're not the majority. And even then, it's not the same kind of unpredictability on daily basis, without a real reason. It's something so easily preventable, yet nobody does anything. Wars can be explained to children at least on some level. Mass murder attacks targeting specifically the places where kids go to learn can't. People try to actively both prevent and stop wars. Nobody seems to do anything about the attacks on schools of the one specific culture's school. There's only one culture where it's ever been a systemic issue and not just a single freak incident enough to shake a country to its core and revise laws. Every other country sees 1 attack, calls it a tragedy and does something about it. For 1 country, it's nothing but a statistic.
      Even active war zones don't shoot up as many schools as y'all do.

    • @user-tp7gy4dj4l
      @user-tp7gy4dj4l 3 місяці тому +3

      @@ONEIL311 Historically it has been extremely unsafe, medically, to be an infant; then in early childhood the risk factor plummets to a low level until adulthood, when it rises.

  • @AViewFromTheGallery
    @AViewFromTheGallery 4 місяці тому +172

    Oh man did you hit the actual counselor experience disturbingly on the head. I trained as, then worked as one for a few years, mostly seeing walk-ins and, eventually I just couldn't hack it anymore because 9 out of 10 of the people I saw just needed like...food, a house, more income, y'know, basic necessities. You can't therapy someone out of poverty, and after seeing that every day for two years, a society that willingly leaves them in that poverty begins to feel as insane as one that loads childern onto starships and sends them to fight the Borg. It drives you a little crazy to say the least.

    • @jeffnicholas6342
      @jeffnicholas6342 4 місяці тому +30

      “You can’t therapy someone out of poverty” is a depressing statement. Thanks for doing your job for those years. I’m sure, despite the overwhelming failures in the system, you helped a handful of kids in some capacity

    • @DawnDavidson
      @DawnDavidson 4 місяці тому +11

      Thank you for your service. Truly. I’m sure you had some positive effects. Even though I’m equally sure that leaving was the right choice for your mental health.

    • @billhurt3644
      @billhurt3644 4 місяці тому +12

      “I couldn’t hack it anymore” And yet you helped people more than most of us ever will. Our society needs more people willing to step up like that for however long they’re able to do it.

    • @tantamounted
      @tantamounted 4 місяці тому +7

      Yeah, that's a good way to say it, honestly. "You can't therapy someone out of poverty" because the SYSTEM is broken, and that breaks people - the best you can do is keep them functioning just barely well enough to maybe find a better role in the system, or a different system

    • @jeffnicholas6342
      @jeffnicholas6342 4 місяці тому +3

      @@tantamounted a different system would be my choice.

  • @vadalia3860
    @vadalia3860 4 місяці тому +74

    No, see, we just need to give this guidance counselor a phaser. Because the only way to beat a bad prankster creature from another dimension/ hostile alien race/ haunted murder-suicide warp core bay with a phaser is a good guy with a phaser. Oh wait...

  • @michaellauritano5252
    @michaellauritano5252 4 місяці тому +212

    I’m now imagining a counterpart guidance counselor or teacher who is stubbornly in denial about how bad an idea the school program has been. Always changing the subject when a death gets brought up. Eerily cheerful

    • @SteveShives
      @SteveShives  4 місяці тому +112

      I actually considered taking that angle when I first came up with the idea for this one, but decided that would be too bleak.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +55

      Based on my mom's experiences in public school systems, I don't think it would have been believable to have an _on-the-ground_ counselor spewing platitudes-you'd have to find an administrator who never left their office in San Francisco.

    • @OhhCrapGuy
      @OhhCrapGuy 4 місяці тому +26

      ​@@SteveShivesJFC, it was too bleak compared to *this?!*

    • @bthsr7113
      @bthsr7113 4 місяці тому +14

      "We're Star Fleet. We can do anything."
      "We've evolved past grief and trauma."

    • @DaoFAQ
      @DaoFAQ 4 місяці тому +10

      Yeah that’s probably admin honestly.

  • @TiffanyStarrxxx
    @TiffanyStarrxxx 4 місяці тому +35

    Fellow guidance counselor here. I remember being on a star ship and having to tell a child who was partially phased through the floor that everything would be alright, even though his lower half was sticking out of the warp drive. I...I really hate my job. Help me.

    • @SteveShives
      @SteveShives  4 місяці тому +17

      Best job in the fleet! Ha ha ha ha ha ha [heaving sobs]

  • @jasonblauet8838
    @jasonblauet8838 4 місяці тому +280

    As a school teacher, I love this. I need more of this man and the jag officer

    • @Kestra84
      @Kestra84 4 місяці тому +16

      JAG officer still my favorite, but this is also v. good.

    • @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout
      @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout 4 місяці тому +6

      Yeah, love that jag off-what? Sorry, got distracted. Anyway, love that jag off-damn it, it happened again.

    • @cozmothemagician7243
      @cozmothemagician7243 4 місяці тому +5

      Thank you for your dedication to education. I was fortunate for a while to share my knowledge and talent as a magician with children. I guess you could call me a 'semi-pro' teacher. I was part of an after school program. One of the most joyful experiences of my life. I have the utmost respect for those who dedicate their lives to teaching. EVEN THOUGH I have hated some teachers I had as a child. One or two bad apples don't make them ALL bad.
      And any teacher that is a fan of Trek is A+ in my book (:

    • @DaoFAQ
      @DaoFAQ 4 місяці тому +8

      I really should have waited longer between getting home from work (also a teacher) and watching this. 😢 But yeah, needed this too.

    • @DaoFAQ
      @DaoFAQ 4 місяці тому

      @@cozmothemagician7243Hey, I’m a teacher and I want to say thank you, sincerely. I watched this video as soon as I got home and child endangerment is a trigger for me. Your comment helped me recover some.

  • @willem-janageling3907
    @willem-janageling3907 4 місяці тому +259

    We need whistle-blowers like you. You are a brave man!

  • @katecraig2974
    @katecraig2974 4 місяці тому +42

    My partner is the principal of the middle school in the district with the highest ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) scores in California. He has not been able to hire/keep a councilor or mental health support personal for years. This is pretty much his real life. So you have a kid that cursed out a teacher and hit another kid, but its the one year anniversary of the day they witnessed their parent kill themsleves and their other parent has not been home in three days and their are currently in local jail's drunk tank. To this my husband says, "yep thats a Tuesday." People have no idea what its like to work in schools today.

    • @amw6846
      @amw6846 4 місяці тому +9

      Exactly. The part where kids were falling behind because they were dealing with trauma hit hard for me. I see a lot of videos come by about the education crisis, recognize how many of my students were dealing with terrible things pre-pandemic, and figure it tracks.

  • @lessonslearned2569
    @lessonslearned2569 4 місяці тому +160

    Love that the, "I don't really care about lore, I just care about story" Steve has expanded the ST lore in very interesting ways. Of course this is using "lore" to make a good story.

  • @OakandIV
    @OakandIV 4 місяці тому +104

    In the best spirit of Star Trek. Entertaining, but the social commentary is right there if you’re looking for it.

    • @OhhCrapGuy
      @OhhCrapGuy 4 місяці тому +8

      I don't know, Measure of a Man basically had Picard look directly into the camera and hold up sign that said "THIS EPISODE IS ABOUT HOW SLAVERY IS BAD." And The Drumhead had Picard look directly into the camera and hold up a sign that said "THIS EPISODE IS ABOUT HOW RACIST WITCHHUNTS ARE BAD"
      The only thing that would make this more Star Trek would be Steve's character comparing the deaths of children in starships directly to school shootings, similar to how he drew the comparison to Apollo 1.

    • @OhhCrapGuy
      @OhhCrapGuy 4 місяці тому +7

      And, in case you're curious, Code of Honor has Picard holding up a sign that says "THIS IS THE NON-WOKE STAR TREK ALL THE CONSERVATIVES WATCHED, LITERALLY JUST THIS ONE EPISODE, THEY'VE NEVER SEEN A SINGLE EPISODE OTHER THAN THIS ONE. AND THIS EPISODE IS SO BAD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ADVOCATE FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE"

    • @jonahulichny9874
      @jonahulichny9874 3 місяці тому

      ⁠@@OhhCrapGuy I admittedly have t watched Star Trek, but I seriously doubt they were THAT level of unsubtle.

    • @hypercube8735
      @hypercube8735 Місяць тому +1

      @@jonahulichny9874 The part about Picard looking into the camera and holding up a sign is hyperbole, but the part where the characters will directly bring up the current-day social issue that this is meant to be commentary on (as "something that used to happen, back in the 20th/21st century") is something they did all the time on TNG.

  • @kenmcauliffe3028
    @kenmcauliffe3028 4 місяці тому +144

    As a therapist, I have to wonder who counsels the counselors in Starfleet.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +7

      Probably the best element (out of so many phenomenal elements) of _Discovery_ Season 4 was when Culber called up David Croneberg.

    • @firefly4f4
      @firefly4f4 4 місяці тому +12

      Such as a councillor who was violated by an energy being, then forced to give birth to and watch said energy being die?

    • @queenannsrevenge100
      @queenannsrevenge100 4 місяці тому +3

      Not Deanna Troi 😂

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs 4 місяці тому +9

      As a fellow therapist, I've often wondered that too. We all have therapists. Troi had... Guinan and chocolate ice cream? Granted, Guinan seemed like a pretty good counsellor, but that wasn't supposed to be her job!

    • @ComradePhoenix
      @ComradePhoenix 4 місяці тому +3

      @@thing_under_the_stairs To be entirely fair, therapists and counsellors have (comparatively recently) entirely taken over a societal niche that used to be filled (in part) by bartenders (among others). They do it better and more effectively, but still.

  • @elwaaser
    @elwaaser 4 місяці тому +65

    I'm ashamed at how long it took to me to realize where this was going.

    • @michaelpiston4222
      @michaelpiston4222 4 місяці тому +11

      Same. I was over 3/4 the way through before I went "oooh, he's talking about school shootings". Imma blame that one on covid-brain

    • @CWTyger
      @CWTyger 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@michaelpiston4222 I don't know for sure, but I think that might have been the point, because that's about when I realized it, too.

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs 4 місяці тому +3

      It took me a while to catch it, but I blame the fact that I'm Canadian, and don't have to worry about frightening levels of gun violence in schools of all places. Or anywhere else, for that matter. I honestly have no idea why there's such a difference between our countries, but you all have my thoughts and prayers. (/s)

    • @brianfox771
      @brianfox771 4 місяці тому +4

      To be fair, he is doing a decent job at poking fun at Star Trek for the absurdity of including kids and families on starships that encounter weekly life and death, and existential crises.

    • @TRICROTIC1
      @TRICROTIC1 4 місяці тому +1

      I saw the connection early on but didn't realize Steve was being intentional about it until the last couple of minutes.

  • @firefly4f4
    @firefly4f4 4 місяці тому +73

    Oof, this was darker than I expected.
    I'm surprised there was no mention of the 20th century nation that traumatized their entire school system by live streaming a launch into their classrooms, the vehicle containing the first teacher in space, only for said vehicle to be engulfed in a giant fireball shortly after launch.

    • @oracleofthemundane9593
      @oracleofthemundane9593 4 місяці тому +18

      My husband's parents both worked for NASA at that time, and his physics teacher was a finalist for the Teachers in Space program. My father-in-law was on the investigative team, and doesn't talk about it. He'd retired by the time Columbia went down.

    • @LollipopKnight2
      @LollipopKnight2 4 місяці тому +14

      There are other recent parallels that we can draw, about children endangered while learning. I didn't realize it until the video was almost over, but it's an excellent commentary in the traditional style of Star Trek.

    • @MarcColten-us2pl
      @MarcColten-us2pl 4 місяці тому +11

      I was in the classroom (I was 12) where all of us were gathered to watch a president give a live speech. The president was JFK. There was no speech.

    • @user-hx6ye4jq1n
      @user-hx6ye4jq1n 4 місяці тому +7

      I was babysitting when the Challenger disaster happened. The television was on , but turned down low. I knew the Challenger was supposed to launch with the teacher on it. I'm sorry I don't remember her name. But it wasn't paying attention because I was playing hide and seek with a 4 year old. It wasn't until I got to my boyfriend's dorm, later that afternoon, that I learned what happened
      My mom, sister and I learned that Reagan had been shot from the news on the car radio while driving down a certain street in our town. There's a sharp curve and you go under a train trestle. That's where we were when we heard the news. I think about that almost every time I drive down that road

    • @user-hx6ye4jq1n
      @user-hx6ye4jq1n 4 місяці тому +7

      It's funny how you remember the exact thing you were doing when something extremely horrific happened. But there's been too many school shootings, we as a nation, have become numb to the news

  • @GSBarlev
    @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +55

    An underrated plot point of _DS9_ is that when the Federation _made first contact_ with The Dominion-well before war actually broke out-all the kids (except, I guess, Molly), got sent down to Bajor. The Emissary could have made a point about how there would be no safer place than a Federation space station, but *Benjamin Sisko* would never do that.
    Steve, this was incredible. Thanks for making it. It's now my headcanon that _this precise interview_ led to the (short-lived-looking at you, Odyssey class-shift in Federation policy).

    • @canisarcani
      @canisarcani 4 місяці тому +6

      and that, among many other reasons, is why Benjamin "pimp hand" Sisko is one of the best ****** captains starfleet ever had!
      The Emissary was no ones fool and, likewise, suffered no fools lightly.

  • @katecraig2974
    @katecraig2974 4 місяці тому +101

    “trying to help children get interested in learning while they’re in a situation where they could all die at any moment” - Working in education in the US, where gun violence can be a real danger at any time. This one was a little to close to home for me.

    • @OhhCrapGuy
      @OhhCrapGuy 4 місяці тому +19

      I mean, the entire video *is* an allegory for that exact problem.

    • @rebeccaholcombe9043
      @rebeccaholcombe9043 4 місяці тому +7

      Ya it really is like that isn't? It's depressing.

    • @Morncreek
      @Morncreek Місяць тому +1

      🙄

    • @gabrielclark1425
      @gabrielclark1425 Місяць тому

      ​@@OhhCrapGuy not really? This seems more about why it's not a good idea to raise children on active warships.

    • @CorvusBelli01
      @CorvusBelli01 Місяць тому

      @@gabrielclark1425 "What kind of society sends children to school under conditions where, on any given day, they could die a violent death? Or see their friends, or their teachers, die a violent death?"
      I mean... I don't think he was being too subtle with his messaging there.

  • @pvalpha
    @pvalpha 4 місяці тому +106

    I wonder how many people actually put together what you were really saying in this well-done skit? It truly is a shame we have so many children endangered by a completely avoidable circumstance in real life. There are things we could do about it - things that do not involve our schools being more militant and more like a prison than even some actual prisons. Then to go to their homes to find similar situations... Is it any wonder why things are the way they are? How can anyone send thoughts and prayers when they have absolutely no intent of changing the circumstances that resulted in those "thoughts and prayers" - can you think of anything more blasphemous that looking at the problem, thinking about it, saying - in the name of your religion none the less - that you are saddened in your heart and soul... then to do absolutely nothing of substance when the ability to do something is directly in your hands? I hope some people at least felt very uncomfortable watching this - it means they, at some level, knew what you were talking about. I wish enough would get the message to be able to shift the tide on the larger scale.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +17

      To keep it 💯-I didn't realize what it was really about until reading the comments, and then the realization hit me full force.

    • @rudylikestowatch
      @rudylikestowatch 4 місяці тому +19

      The best of Star Trek is a social commentary.

    • @nastropc
      @nastropc 4 місяці тому +4

      Went completely over my head. But then I come from a country where we had one school shooting 30 years ago then banned all handguns.

  • @muddlewait8844
    @muddlewait8844 4 місяці тому +51

    Separating the saucer section when addressing dangerous situations is such a hassle. Cheaper and faster just to counsel the traumatized after the fact.

    • @HiopX
      @HiopX 4 місяці тому +9

      plus it's only an option when you can see the danger coming.

    • @Carabas72
      @Carabas72 4 місяці тому +11

      Plus, 9 times out of 10, when they do seperate, it's for some tactical advantage rather than evacuating the families.

  • @Dlstufguy2
    @Dlstufguy2 4 місяці тому +131

    This is the type of thing we need to get out of Star Trek. The mirrror to look back onto ourselves. Not mental gymnastics to turn it into conservative worship of the military industrial complex.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +9

      One of the few things I thought _Into Darkness_ did really well was give the characters moments to express how the militaristic direction that Starfleet had gone down wasn't something they'd signed up for.

    • @BrianS1981
      @BrianS1981 4 місяці тому

      @@GSBarlev Problem was that it was a bunch of idiots who could only say "ooh shiny WEEPONS!" tasked with saying it.

    • @lunatickoala
      @lunatickoala 4 місяці тому +13

      The problem is that for all the rhetoric of peace and diplomacy and denying that Starfleet is a military, at the end of the day an awful lot of problems are solved with firepower and many if not most negotiations are conducted with the various captains backed by the biggest stick. Too many alien civilizations are written either as strawmen to be proven wrong in order to demonstrate the superiority of the protagonists or as hostiles who must be defeated with force of arms. It's awfully close to how jingoistic propaganda is written; there are enough existential threats in the galaxy that a powerful military industrial complex is basically a necessity to survive. If anything, within this unintentional context, what's natural is worship of strength and military might and what takes mental gymnastics is convincing oneself that it really is about peaceful cooperation.
      There really needs to be a clear separation between the exploration and diplomacy organizations and the military and less reliance on pew pew space battles for storytelling. Or at the very least, acknowledgement that the characters aren't living up to their ideals.

    • @JohnArktor
      @JohnArktor 4 місяці тому +3

      Never will a JJ abrams led crew will be able to replicate the level of intelligent writing we had in DS9.
      This is why I have completely lost interest in Star Trek. And in Starwas also, btw.
      Only thing this guy and his supporters understand is pitching a story and never delivering (other than pewpew).

  • @BEW419
    @BEW419 4 місяці тому +21

    So many comments didn't get the point of this video 🤦🏻‍♂️
    19:55 "What kind of society sends their children to school under conditions where, on any given day, they could die a violent death? Or see their friends, or their teachers die a violent death? If we stare that problem in the face, knowing we could fix it, and then look away and do nothing and pretend it's just normal - what's that say about us?"

  • @michaellangwaller
    @michaellangwaller 4 місяці тому +12

    Using Star Trek as it was originally, and for the most part still is, intended. Damn good episode.

  • @kas5564
    @kas5564 4 місяці тому +69

    This is really well acted and written. It hits to the core of the challenges of many childrens lived experiences in the present but as you said, exacerbated to such an omnipresent degree.
    I'm a star trek fan, but through the lens of star fleet being a form of a cult , intergenerationally so... I can see how many of these children would have little choice in joining up for the mere fact that trying to find anyone else who can relate to the experiences and the apathy connected to repeated ptsd, retraumatization... the requirements of every crew compliment to accept loss and grief without the time and space to decompress.

  • @petehjr1
    @petehjr1 4 місяці тому +30

    Dude i dont say this lightly but your acting is getting really good. You brought this character to life, a dedicated professional faced with just absolute horror of doing their job in impossible conditions. (Like alot of very real school staff have to do every day on the USS United States).
    Bravo man.

  • @thecactusman17
    @thecactusman17 4 місяці тому +44

    This is one of the finest examples of traditional science fiction I've ever heard. Thank you.

  • @nastropc
    @nastropc 4 місяці тому +4

    Twist ending: there is no guidance counsellor, just a traumatised child cosplaying helping his peers as a way of dealing with his loss.

  • @OrnateFail
    @OrnateFail 4 місяці тому +29

    My mother was a teacher and became a high school counselor, and now i’m following in her footsteps. This is both very funny and relatable and extremely topical and important.
    Star Trek has always been nominally about our future and really about our present, and your “comedy sketches” illustrate that better than anyone. It feels like you do Star Trek so well BECAUSE you understand that so well. I want to thank you for this and for everything you do! You make me laugh, and you make me think.
    When he sends that review, he should send it wide, make sure everyone reads it, and understands it. For all of us.

  • @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout
    @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout 4 місяці тому +41

    Hail to thee, guidance counselors that are actually useful.

  • @coyotedelamancha
    @coyotedelamancha 4 місяці тому +18

    Yeah, Starfleet sure is nutty that way. What a ridiculous plot hole in STNG and later series. As though any advanced society would actually...
    (struggles to remain calm while speaking through gritted teeth)
    ...CONTINUALLY EXPOSE THEIR CHILDREN TO SUCH A SITUATION WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THE PROBLEM ITSELF.
    (regains composure somewhat)
    That would certainly be a sign of a culture that was, itself, quite mad.
    Thank you for making this.

  • @fabrisseterbrugghe8567
    @fabrisseterbrugghe8567 4 місяці тому +62

    My father was assigned to Saigon in 1964 with family. Some of my earliest memories are of attending a French language nursery school, before being evacuated in 1965. Children of the military and the diplomatic corps have always shared their parents' careers including the dangers.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 4 місяці тому +19

      Yeah the way he used language like “living on base” to compare it to real life military families was really clever I think.
      How stressful did you find the evacuation? Was it kind of normal to you because you were preschool age?

    • @ryancraig2795
      @ryancraig2795 4 місяці тому +12

      My mother and I never lived on the Naval ships my father served on. I'm pretty sure no navy in the world has families on board.

    • @leventetanka754
      @leventetanka754 4 місяці тому +1

      Fabrisse..... But did they also send out the children to go on a mission with their father?

    • @fabrisseterbrugghe8567
      @fabrisseterbrugghe8567 4 місяці тому +11

      @@leventetanka754 Only in that they sent a three year old (me) and a six-month old (my sister) to live in a war zone. My memories of the actual evacuation are a little fraught and I had issues with PTSD from it when I went to university.
      The Enterprise-D is equivalent to living at SHAPE or Rammstein in Europe. It was in danger during the cold war because it was a primary Soviet target, but it wasn't likely to have a major problem.
      The thing is, the people deployed do their jobs better if they can go home to their families. It puts a great deal of stress on the families, but, arguably, less stress than separating the families does. More divorces happened when the families were separated for a year or more than when they were together.

    • @fabrisseterbrugghe8567
      @fabrisseterbrugghe8567 4 місяці тому +1

      @@ryancraig2795 No, but Navy isn't the largest service.

  • @LBVidiot
    @LBVidiot 4 місяці тому +24

    You do what Star Trek does at its best, use sci fi to point out real world problems.
    As a teacher, I appreciate this message, even if it makes me sad.

  • @euansmith3699
    @euansmith3699 4 місяці тому +15

    I love Steve's bleakly comic take on the Star Trek universe.
    "She works for an ORPHANAGE!" 😄😄😄
    RIP Grissom, White, and Chaffee 😭😭😭
    I like the subtle detail of Barkdal's hair clip.

  • @WhammeWhamme
    @WhammeWhamme 4 місяці тому +15

    Damn. You just made one of the finest episodes of Star Trek, and you did it with one character, one shot, and a moral that crept up on me and hit me with a folding chair. Magnificent work.

  • @austinluther5825
    @austinluther5825 4 місяці тому +34

    Star Trek has always been a great medium for discussing current societal issues.
    This is a particularly bleak one.

  • @kiraward1125
    @kiraward1125 4 місяці тому +17

    I love how you did this. Actually has been a concern of mine when children in Starfleet vessels were introduced. I know its fiction and it was more for the occasional story line and to make the series appealing to families. But if one thinks about the lives lived on a Starfleet vessel and the situations they find themselves in that has to be horrific for the children.

    • @Carabas72
      @Carabas72 4 місяці тому +4

      Eh, this was about school shootings and similar stuff in our time.

  • @carbondragon
    @carbondragon 4 місяці тому +18

    Sad but funny. Yes, the whole family on the ship thing only makes sense if they have to be there (say a colony ship) OR if things are SO peaceful that calamities are almost unheard of. Initially, TNG tried to make us think that prior to the beginning of the show, they HAD gone through a long period like that which had made them pretty complacent. But clearly DURING the show, it was a comically bad idea and you're quite right to call them out for it. By the time of the Enterprise E they probably had their kids locked up in secret armored colonies with forests of orbital defense platforms and minefields.

    • @RadzPrower
      @RadzPrower 4 місяці тому +3

      To be fair, the events depicted on the show are roughly 26 events in a given year and not all of them were disasters that would have impacted everyone on board. That's the thing about most TV shows...their focus on certain events while not showing the significant downtime in between gives a false impression that everything was on fire all the time. Still wasn't a great idea, but it also wasn't this non-stop disaster either.

    • @danielland3767
      @danielland3767 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@@RadzProwerto be fair 26 events in one year is still alot and even the "small" ones like Schisms can damage the entire crew, we just see it BECAUSE it affects the main characters.
      It sadly can be more then 26 in a year

    • @rebeccaholcombe9043
      @rebeccaholcombe9043 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@@RadzProwerevery 2 weeks is still far to often, then again how often do we have shootings?

  • @amw6846
    @amw6846 4 місяці тому +15

    Love it. A lot of people are pointing out commentary about the mass shootings in schools and the preparations for such. I want to mention that i also saw the part where you said students fall behind when they're going through trauma. Juxtaposed with talking about the horrors of the 20th and 21st centuries on earth, it hits home. As an educator of adults, I've generally found similar -- when students aren't turning things in and the like, there's usually something going on.

  • @Clawthorne
    @Clawthorne 4 місяці тому +10

    This is why I love Lower Decks so much. It explores the dark, unattractive and downright ugly aspects of Starfleet and the Federation like this, that the normal shows usually just gloss over or handwave away because it doesn't fit the narrative of fabulous space exploration. And it's also why I'm subbed to this channel. It explores the mundane and "real" of Star Trek. And I love it.

    • @mattwayne4800
      @mattwayne4800 4 місяці тому +1

      Honestly most of Mariners damage makes more sense in context of her being ship reared like this, her danger seeking seems a maladaptive coping mechanism for constant extreme trauma

  • @robertnope1993
    @robertnope1993 4 місяці тому +14

    People’s kids deserve counselors with a heart like yours

  • @WaitTryFail
    @WaitTryFail 4 місяці тому +30

    for you it was the latest horrific traumatic event, for me it was tuesday [Insert raul julia gif]

  • @simonpeteradkins
    @simonpeteradkins 4 місяці тому +6

    You turned that on a fucking dime, you righteous bastard!

  • @CireAknow
    @CireAknow 4 місяці тому +4

    I want to acknowledge the gremlins on the plane reference which is from the Twilight Zone and featured William Shatner.

    • @coyotedelamancha
      @coyotedelamancha 4 місяці тому +2

      Holy crap, you're right! I feel so silly for missing that. Thank you for saying something!

    • @SteveShives
      @SteveShives  4 місяці тому +5

      @@coyotedelamanchaDon't feel too bad, I didn't intend for it to be specifically a reference to that Twilight Zone episode, just to the overall myth of gremlins. But, I'm totally happy for it to be taken that way, because I love that episode and I love the Twilight Zone.

    • @CireAknow
      @CireAknow 4 місяці тому +1

      @@SteveShives The character in "Nightmare at 20,000 ft" is Robert Wilson. I'm just going to go ahead and say he's an ancestor to James T. Kirk. It's now canon in the Shives Trek universe.

  • @OsirisMalkovich
    @OsirisMalkovich 4 місяці тому +10

    I want this scene in its entirety put into a _Lower Decks_ episode. Brilliant work!

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +1

      Sadly, canonically Starfleet counselors and therapists span the spectrum from Migleemo to Troi, at least until the 31st century.
      (I'm excluding Ezri from this because (1) we have no idea how good Ezri Teagan was before joining; (2) how good Ezri _Dax_ was as a counselor depends on whether you believe her interaction with Vic near the end of "Paper Moon" was orchestrated or accidental).

  • @ApocryphalDude
    @ApocryphalDude 4 місяці тому +29

    Trauma occurring in schools or during school-age is excellent science fiction. Good thing it doesn't happen for real.

    • @WWZenaDo
      @WWZenaDo 4 місяці тому

      😅😅😢😢😢😢😢😢😬🫨🤯

  • @michaelhannell4083
    @michaelhannell4083 4 місяці тому +10

    School counselor, so close with Instagram guess of a pe teacher. The funnest part of the video is when you say "she is 7"😂

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 4 місяці тому +3

      “She works AT AN ORPHANAGE!” probably pipped it for me, but all those moments were fantastic

  • @katiekofemug
    @katiekofemug 4 місяці тому +9

    Worth the dark trauma w/ coffee before work. It *hurts* and it should, and it has, and it will. The only thing that will hurt more, is when All those counselors and teachers that Care and put the children first are gone, replaced by personnel that would never cry, or dedicate a Sad PADD, or write a legit assessment because they have been educated to accept the danger and trauma is an Acceptable Standard all children must endure. Well done, may ears, minds and hearts be open to the message, whenever time of day it is heard.

  • @jdk492
    @jdk492 4 місяці тому +14

    Lore is only important when it is in service of the narrative. Steve, this was excellent. While listening to this passively at work I hadn't realized what the commentary was on until 7 or 8 minutes. You're great at what you do and thank you.

  • @OfficiallyUnofficialAlCooper
    @OfficiallyUnofficialAlCooper 4 місяці тому +2

    This sketch hit me like a Mac Truck in the best way possible. Thank you for holding up the mirror America so frequently lacks to see its own problems far more clearly through an insanely well-written, seemingly innocuous sketch that cuts to the very bone of our dysfunctional society.

  • @kyleuser123456
    @kyleuser123456 4 місяці тому +22

    These skits are BY FAR my favorite content you make, not that i don't enjoy most your work... but this stuff is gold!

  • @stickmangrit
    @stickmangrit 4 місяці тому +9

    oh wow, i was not expecting this to be played completely straight, and it's simultaneously darkly hilarious and just _soooooooooooo fucked..._

  • @FiXato
    @FiXato 4 місяці тому +20

    I guess student - counsellor confidentiality isn't a thing in Starfleet either, which wouldn't surprise me. 😂
    Anyway, congrats on another excellent video that follows in the Trek tradition of addressing societal issues under the guise of science fiction. 👍

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +7

      For those needing context, in the US, school officials-counselors, teachers and nurses-are actually *mandatory reporters* for abuse and neglect which is, by and large, a good thing.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 4 місяці тому

      ​@@GSBarlev
      I would hope savvy children place zero trust in these government - appointed snitches.

    • @ruthspanos2532
      @ruthspanos2532 4 місяці тому +2

      At the same time, Counselors in the US are subject to FERPA and wouldn’t be allowed to name names in the way presented in this skit.

    • @DawnDavidson
      @DawnDavidson 4 місяці тому +1

      @@GSBarlevwell, except when it’s not. Our family got traumatized by someone completely misunderstanding a situation. Never recovered. It’s part of why I am not keen to be a school counselor, even though I am studying to be a licensed therapist.

  • @Mike-dl2og
    @Mike-dl2og 4 місяці тому +5

    This was good. Not fun, but good. It accurately talks about the horror a kid would go through. And I do also see the parallels with our society and the “issues” it has with its schools.

  • @qsquared8833
    @qsquared8833 4 місяці тому +9

    Steve! I love how you can see the obvious Toupee's Metal binders! That is a really nice character touch that this guidance counselor would be vain enough to wear a toupee, and yet also not give an F' about whether you can see the bindings of the toupee.
    Lol! That's some attention to detail that it took a second to read into to realize it was intentional and I love it!

  • @JeffreyMason42
    @JeffreyMason42 4 місяці тому +13

    I think this series is your best work on this channel.

  • @rudylikestowatch
    @rudylikestowatch 4 місяці тому +3

    19:43 - 20:26 "we made them this way."
    As in Star Trek, the fiction shines a spotlight on our reality.

  • @Kairamek
    @Kairamek 4 місяці тому +2

    I was worried this would just be a sad sketch about something dumb in Star Trek. Then the message hit. Perfect Trek moment.

  • @simpsonman956
    @simpsonman956 2 місяці тому +4

    Excellent allegory
    Also, my headcanon is now that Picard was radicalized against children being on starships by talking to one of his guidance counselors.

  • @johnearling
    @johnearling 4 місяці тому +9

    Great job briefly tying that in to current social issues without going heavy handed. I'm sure lots of casual viewers won't even make the connection.

  • @deSloleye
    @deSloleye 4 місяці тому +4

    Are the people who are complaining that star trek is too political now only just gaining the grey matter to comprehend the deeper messages of the texts?
    And... Why is this one of the glaring things that star trek misses? It's like they approach it from the pov of the service member and their families separated while in deployment, and run head on into the effects of real and present danger on children in the classroom.

  • @liralen1116
    @liralen1116 4 місяці тому +2

    I've yet to pick up my jaw from the floor. This was AMAZING on so many levels. I tip my hat to you, that was great writing.

  • @faltarego
    @faltarego Місяць тому +1

    "The whole time I was there, I was just sad. Which now would at least be a welcome break from the terror." I laughed hard at this. And I also died a little bit inside. This whole thing was exceptionally well done. Thank you, Steve.

  • @oliverkloshophdndrecords50
    @oliverkloshophdndrecords50 4 місяці тому +9

    I absolutely LOVE when you make this kind of content. Always end up being some of my top favorite videos across the entirety of UA-cam.

  • @ghijkmnop
    @ghijkmnop 4 місяці тому +5

    Maybe it's because my perspective is being fogged by yet another few inches of rain falling, turning what used to be a winter wonderland of a state (Maine) into a new reality of constant windy, stormy, bog-- but I couldn't laugh at this. It was too poignant and well-written. Excellent job, Steve!

  • @clonetrooper2505
    @clonetrooper2505 4 місяці тому +4

    Took me far too long to get the allegory. You've produced quite the art piece here, Steve.

  • @TheIantoJones
    @TheIantoJones 3 місяці тому +2

    Completely seriously, this is one of the hardest-hitting videos I've ever seen, on UA-cam or otherwise. Thanks, @SteveShives , very sincerely.

  • @albertnewton8296
    @albertnewton8296 4 місяці тому +4

    I didn't want to break character in my other comment, but it needs to be said.
    I wasn't expecting this to pivot into real-world politics (the fact I'm not American makes the tragedy slightly less present in my mind although I don't think it should) - but I should have realised earlier. And, really, it didn't pivot at all. It was always about reality, I just caught onto it pretty late in the video. This is Star Trek after all. Not just made using the intellectual property. This is Star Trek.

  • @DarthAzabrush
    @DarthAzabrush 4 місяці тому +2

    "I met her through work actually, you know what she does? SHE RUNS AN ORPHANAGE"- If this was a Doctor Who fan film that line alone would win you this year's Eric Saward award.

  • @alexfranz817
    @alexfranz817 4 місяці тому +5

    That hurt more than i needed for today.
    That was a very well done sketch.

  • @user-sq6hs1hz9u
    @user-sq6hs1hz9u Місяць тому +1

    The pause... "She's seven'. Instantly crystallizes the incredibly dubious ethics of having children in such an environment. Oh, and the Florida joke!

  • @terprubin
    @terprubin 4 місяці тому +3

    I'm a public school teacher in America, and I approve this message.

  • @chaospudding
    @chaospudding 4 місяці тому +9

    Just when I thought I was about to cry, the end pulled me back from the brink. Excellent work.

  • @charlesdym486
    @charlesdym486 4 місяці тому +4

    This series is so incredibly good! The way you combine humor with utter, soul destroying sadness and futility is nothing less than brilliant.

  • @gordonwalker1975
    @gordonwalker1975 4 місяці тому +2

    Mr S., I had thought your Starfleet Lawyer and Janitor skits were amazing, but this REALLY raised the bar. You have a talent for convincingly capturing the mundane aspects of working life beautifully, but the message in this is perfectly delivered. Chills etc. Thank you so much for all your work. This really is wonderful.

  • @CheeseypiPlays
    @CheeseypiPlays 4 місяці тому +6

    Y'know I feel like this might not have been entirely about star trek

  • @kbanks5754
    @kbanks5754 4 місяці тому +2

    This is one of the reasons my mom gave up a corporate career to educate me and my siblings. We've done our best to honor that by pursuing higher education and being good contributors to our local communities. Star Trek is one of the ways we bonded as a family, and I always resonated with the idealism. Tutoring youth is one of my jobs now (yay economy) and the state of public education has shocked me. I'm grateful to have been unconventionally educated, and I recognize the sacrifices that took.
    Just throwing in my two cents, because Star Trek has always been about welcoming perspectives. There are diverse problems, and diverse solutions.

  • @renatocorvaro6924
    @renatocorvaro6924 4 місяці тому +2

    As an autistic person, reading between the lines is, let's say, outside my specialty. I am glad there are people in the comments to spell some stuff out for me.

  • @sinoxa
    @sinoxa 4 місяці тому +7

    Took till about the 20 minute mark for what this was really about to sink in. Amazing work as always. Just ... damn.

  • @IanBourneMusic
    @IanBourneMusic 4 місяці тому +5

    Excellent. I laughed. I cried. I suspect there might be subtext. Beautiful work as ever.

  • @deusdragonex
    @deusdragonex 4 місяці тому +3

    You guys... I'm starting to think Steve isn't actually talking about Star Trek here.

  • @literaterose6731
    @literaterose6731 4 місяці тому +6

    Oof. Exceptionally well done, Steve. Jonathan Swift would be proud.

  • @matthewdunham1689
    @matthewdunham1689 4 місяці тому +5

    It'd be like educating children on a cruise ship under the most optimal conditions!

  • @TrueYellowDart
    @TrueYellowDart 4 місяці тому +4

    Dude…dark.
    And well done. Maybe your best yet of this series.

  • @stocktonjoans
    @stocktonjoans 4 місяці тому +13

    I get that it's a bit risky but what about captain Rickard or whatever his name is, you know, captain of the Enterprise, I heard that once during a crisis he had to work with a bunch of kids and learnt a valuable life lesson in the process, so it's got to be worth it, right?

    • @SteveShives
      @SteveShives  4 місяці тому +11

      If not for those damn kids, he'd never have been in that elevator in the first place!

    • @stocktonjoans
      @stocktonjoans 4 місяці тому

      @@SteveShives and therefore would have missed out on a valuable life lesson, surely an old white dude learning something his old ass should have already known by his age is worth the endangerment and even death of a few kids

  • @aidenf.4900
    @aidenf.4900 4 місяці тому +6

    I feel like this was a metaphor for something... 🤔

  • @idlerwheel
    @idlerwheel 4 місяці тому +6

    Now I’m sad pad.

  • @KariIzumi1
    @KariIzumi1 4 місяці тому +2

    Hey guys, I don't think this was about Star Trek ;)
    Great job w this one 👍

  • @TheBeef2487
    @TheBeef2487 4 місяці тому +5

    Damn Steve, this hit hard. This is exactly what we need out of Trek.

  • @jillpigott7959
    @jillpigott7959 4 місяці тому +2

    This was such as intelligently put together work. This hit me in so many ways. I never felt like it was an allegory for a singular current problem. You didn't mention it, but I started thinking about the space mission that had a teacher on board and the tragic loss that school had to grapple with. Then I also got to thinking about how we have these places where we know horrors are happening, and yet we forget that there are children everywhere. If you have more than 50 people in a location, at least a few of them are going to be curious teenagers that want to act adult and a few will be parents that had to bring their children with them.

  • @se9865
    @se9865 4 місяці тому +3

    I just started rewatching DS 9, and the first thought I had was, why are Jake and Jennifer at Wolf 359? They couldn't stop somewhere and drop the kids off before going to meet up with the Borg?

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 4 місяці тому +1

      I think the canon explanation was that there wasn't enough time-they were scrambling ships at maximum warp to intercept the Borg-but, like, you have shuttles, you have escape pods. Heck, once the fleet gathered they could have beamed all the civilians to one or two high-warp-capable ships before the fighting started.

  • @rabbitpirate
    @rabbitpirate 4 місяці тому +1

    Brilliant and heart breaking. Thank you Steve for sharing these videos with us. Now if you’ll excuse me I think I need to have a little cry.

  • @davidthomason2941
    @davidthomason2941 4 місяці тому +3

    I love the Lower Decks one man stand up!. I look forward to seeing these!

  • @augustwyllt2421
    @augustwyllt2421 4 місяці тому +3

    I loved this commentary more than words can describe. This is what current star trek is missing, talking about actual social issues affected us and speaking out against them. Another great video Steve, well done!
    The only thing I didn't get was the reference to the Space Force in Flordia? Were you referencing America's military branch? When you mentioned Florida it reminded me of the Xindi attack during Enterprise.

    • @augiegirl1
      @augiegirl1 4 місяці тому

      Agreed! How much of Florida was left after the Xindi attack?

  • @jackalovski1
    @jackalovski1 4 місяці тому +4

    Steve, you’re such a good writer.

  • @snsnplpl
    @snsnplpl 4 місяці тому +3

    Astronauts Gus Grissom · Edward H. White II · Roger B. Chaffee R.I.P

  • @stephanenephisechapuis7757
    @stephanenephisechapuis7757 4 місяці тому +5

    I usually like a lot of what you do (everything you do, Star Trek-related or not) but this episode, how can I put it, I don't like it, I love it. You write superbly well!

  • @mplsatty
    @mplsatty 4 місяці тому

    Holy shit! That message against gun violence just got me out of nowhere, hit me in the heart. Your art is fucking incredible.