I've put ~400 miles on my 45c Riddlers on a Salsa Marrakesh and they've been really great. This frame has a ton of space so I'm still able to run them with fenders. I run them tubed because one of my wheels isn't TCS-compatible and despite that I haven't had a single pinch flat. They just soak up everything.
I have been running the WTB Riddler 37c for about 350 miles now and they have been great. Amazing traction and good ride. They were very hard to get onto the rim though. For bike frames where 45c is too tight, the 37c version might be a good alternative.
After 3,400 miles, I'm ready to replace the Riddlers that came stock on my 2017 Breezer Radar Pro. The only flats I've had came at the end of this season - glass embedded in tire. I asked the LBS to set these up tubeless when I purchased the bike ... took me way too long to realize it was still running on tubes. That said, I've loved these tires and plan to get a new set in the spring - tubeless this time. Notable rides: 2018 & 2019 DAMn (Day Across Minnesota 240-mile one-day gravel ride); The Royal (167-mile gravel ride); as well as a good number of gravel centuries.
@@trevorastley1727 for real, over 240 miles in less than 24 hours the-damn.com/ There's a short documentary on Amazon Prime about this ride too www.amazon.com/Delta-Spirit-Nicholas-Kapanke/dp/B0844XLKXJ
Just receive these tyres. Mount them on a pair of Mavic TN719 rims, with internal width of the rim 19mm(check it with digital caliper). The tyre is 42.5mm wide.
Used the WTB Riddler 45 (black sidewall) for the 2019 DK200. Set them up tubeless on a Cutthroat with the stock DT Swiss C1800 and had ZERO issues. Ran 35 PSI up front and 38 in the rear. Replaced them with the stock tires, in the winter as the rear tire was worn. That being said, they put up with ~1500 miles. I would 100% recommend them and I would purchase them again. If you have clearance issues, look at the Specialized Triggers. Though they only size up to 38c, on a wider rim they spread out to 40, and squat at the bottom to ~42.
Oh great to hear that you’re around these tires on a cutthroat was no problem. Had you noticed that salsa technically says that the cutthroat should not have any tire under about a 15 mm or 2 inch? I saw that on the post and Even called and talked to salsa text. They definitely corroborated that they do not recommend anything smaller. They said there was concern of a paddle strike due to the geometry of the bike and the reduction of overall height with smaller tires than 50 mm. I was hoping to get some thing in the realm of 45 to 40 eights but concerned since that conversation. Great to hear that you did fine
I found this video just now because i'm about to build my own bike. Hope you're still there. How is the wear of the tyre on mixed surfaces (but mostly tarmac)? I've found tyres which are dead after 2k kms which is not what i want
Tubeless setup was fine on tubeless specific rims. The sidewalls are very porous and leaked air constantly so I gave up in the end. Supple yes, but also constantly requiring air. Changed to 40mm Gravelkings - firmer but very reliable.... very happy now despite the $$$. Running on a Salsa Vaya.
Just bought a Marin, these tires came stock on the bike (non-tcs version). They are very sluggish on pavement. The handling is on gravel, but I'll probably by another set of tires as I do not have much local gravel.
I have a pair of 650B 2.4s Riddlers on my Gorilla Monsoon and I love them. I do plan on buying a smaller 47.9 s for the more road riding I do but when the winter arrives or the single track adventures call I will throw them back on. Keep the rubber side down!
I have been running the Riddlers 45c on my Specialized Sequioa on the stock rims and they measure 47mm across them also running them Tubeless and sealed up with no issue with one layer of tape on the rims. I have all but worn this set out after around 1200kms (4months of riding) on any surface from tar roads, gravel roads, single track, rough 4wd trails, fire roads. Very impressed with them and purchased another set. On the Sequioa I still have around 4-6mm clearance around the rear chainstays
Howdy Peter! I also have a sequoia and so far i just walk around smiling and saying wow a lot(this bike is forkin’ awesome)! I was thinking about getting a set of the 45c’s to try but I’m hesitant because, visually the 42 Sawtooths look a little cramped to me. I was wondering if you’ve encountered any tire rub on the chainstays? I would be running them tubeless as well. Also on a side note i am really interested in building a 650b wheelset for the sequoia, but have been trying to find some real world feedback. I’ve seen a few folks do it with the new diverge so i imagine it should most likely work. Do you know anyone who has tried it? Thanks! Like the wind
@@broadfjord7087 I have. sequoia as well and a pair of riddlers on the way! Really happy to see your comment haha. I also have a set of Hunt x-wide 4 seasons on the way and they are 25mm internal width so I feel good about the fit now. Super stoked to get these. Also, glad to see you got the stock wheel set to got tubless with no trouble.
I do not know if the tyres are to blame or if I was just unlucky. But I did have a spate of punctures with the 37mm version and am now trying out Gravel Kings instead. Early impressions are that the GKs offer slightly better comfort and grip. Both roll similarly well. This is mostly on hard surfaces but some slightly looser. The GKs do seem more prone to kicking up gravel. Don’t know how much is hitting the frame but it gets noisy in the mud guards.
If you ever come to Belgium, I would gladly show you the gravel roads of the epic High Venn area. Miles and miles of forests and gravel roads! Just bring enough water
Interestingly enough I just moved to Belgium from the US, but I am on the other side of the country near Mons. I would like to bikepack/gravel ride down to that area along with Houffalize!
Great video and great show. Love it all the time with great info! I reside in northern New Mexico, specifically Taos. Up here a lot of the desert trails have some pretty sharp volcanic rock, and I’m wondering if these Riddler‘s or any other specific tire would be recommended for extra strong sidewalls. Can’t say I’ve hadAny problems with the stock WTB that came on my cutthroat but I did want to switch out from my 2.4 inch tires to something slightly smaller
I've found the WTB tires to be very hit and miss in accurate sizing, I've had WTB Nanos that are almost a 5mm difference in size, I wanted a 45mm tire for the front and the Riddler came at the same size as my larger 40mm Nano, about 42mm, then I've had other Nanos come out at about 38mm, it's frustrating as you never know what size your going to get when ordering.
Last week I've done 1200km trip through Poland and as much I love the WTB tires the performance was a bad surprise for me. I've got 7 punctures in them. At the beginning i was running them tubeless but I finish the trip on tubes.... :(
Working well for me for @ 2 seasons now. Have them on 24mm ID carbon wheels on Lynskey Ridgeline 29er with drop bars with Fox fork. I use the bike sparingly cuz of having other types of bikes ie fatbike/mid-plus. I ride from my house here on long island NY roads to my single track trails I frequent for @30 years now. I think that it’s the only reason why these tires are still doing well.
I feel good about the 26x1.75 Continental Tour Rides I put on the 1997 Fuji MX-200 atb I have. Like these tires, what it says it is and what it really is are 2 different specs. The reviewed tires are 700x45c, yet measure 42mm, a true 42c. Mine are 26x1.75, which are 45c using inch to mm conversion, but the Conti Tour Rides are labeled 47-559 (47mm being the width & depth of the tire, 559 being the rim diameter), which really means they are a 26x1.85. Anyway, what the tire is indicated as and what it really works out to may not be the same.
I've put just north of 2,000 miles on multiple set of Riddlers 80/20 pavement to dirt. On hard pack and gravel, these are great at the right PSI! On pavement, they are still considerably fast rolling, but the knobs get eaten away SO FAST on roads. For that reason, I'm moving onto Maxxis Refuse until the 700x44 Byways are out at stores. Just yesterday I reached the limit of my third rear Riddler. Two dynaplugs and a slow leak later I tossed it in the bin...
@@carl8568 They worked well, just harder to find in stock at the LBS. Went through two sets and switched to Gravel Kings, which don’t grip as well as either Riddler or last as long Refuse, but are commonly available where I am. I’m actually going to move to Resolutes since my gravel riding has gotten more aggressive this season. Refuse had the best life and on+off road grip for me so far.
I’ve been riding the Riddler 45c on my Topstone for the last 5 months. I’ve been using them for my 35 miles round trip commute a couple days a week, and have done fire road and some light single track in mixed weather. On my Hunt X-Wide gravel rims they measure out to 45mm. They are excellent, easy to mount, and inflated with a floor pump tubeless without sealant added yet. They roll surprisingly quick on pavement and fine gravel and I’m able to keep up an 18 mph pace on flat conditions. Turn in is responsive and they feel smaller than the size will suggest. I’ve actually had other cyclist keeping up behind me roll up at a stop in complete surprise to what big tires I’m using compared to the speed they roll at. Durability seems a little less than other tires I use. For comparisons, on the the same route these are about the same numbers of puncture I’ve experienced on different tires in about the same amount of mileage. Riddlers 700x 45c = 2 Soma Cazadero 650x50 = 0 Pathfinder Pro 700x38 = 0 GP5000 nontubeless 28c = sometime 1 a week GP5000 tubeless 25c and 32c = so far none WTB Byway 650x 47c = 0 Trigger Pro non tubeless 700x38 = 4 Gravelking SK 700x38 = 1 but those suckers keep leaking air still Gravelking SK 700x45 = rear literally peeled off on a fire road ride on a WTB i23 rim forcing me to walk home Keep in mind, all the tubeless puncture sprayed sealant for a short while and sealed up by themselves. These are great tires....the only thing that would probably get me to take them off is if Soma introduced the Cazadero in a tubeless tires around the same size.
Gvn MTB it’s the Alloy version...they probably would fit on the front of yours since they are similar forks but I’m not sure about the back...the carbon has a goofy 6mm offset of the rear wheel to create clearance with the crank while the alloy does not, which leads to believe the geometry for clearance must be different. I was surprised they fit so well but I have a good amount of mud clearance with them.
Just ordered my 2nd set of the WTB Riddlers & rode mostly dirt roads with them - wore out the back & replacing it now with another riddler (black wall) wish I would have know about the gummies. Loved it felt like it would cruise down dirt & gave me grip & cushion. Two years of riding 1500-2500 miles. Does anyone know if this tire goes in a certain direction?
I have these on my bike they are good on grass and packed dirt. They are a soft rubber and suck on the road i did slip into a rut because the side tread just slipped rite down so im more timid. They came stock on my bike. I do more than 60% riding on poor pavement and will change to a heavier tire with either more spaced knobs or a slick center
Also moved from michigan dirt roads to pavement & sand beach on siesta key Fla & am looking forward to the new riddler tire- but the old balding back one did pretty good on hard packed sand of the beach here.
I have been running this tire on Rolf Hyalite wheels. Internal rim width is 22mm, tire measures 44 mm, tubeless setup is a snap with the combo. My two cents is that this tire excels on dirt and rough terrain but is super slow on pavement. If your main intention is to ride dirt and trails with light single track, this tire should be high on your list to try. It offers excellent traction, and provides a very smooth ride due to the additional volume and ability to run at lower pressures.
Yo con estos neumáticos en mi Orbea Alma voy muy feliz porque ruedan muy bien y son muy silenciosos además para el Gravel son excelentes. A todos los efectos, he transformado mi Orbea Alma, en una bici de Gravel de alto nivel.
Just mounted these on a 26mm internal 32H carbon rim. Right after I laced the wheel. And of course on one set of the spokes I didn’t perform a final cross😂💀 but it’s a commuter rig soooo I should be fine
I am trying to find more of a Mountain bike tire with knobbies for my Trek Verve 3. It cam with Bontrager H5 700 x 45c tires. I switched to Panaracer Fire Cross tires in the same size. Is there any other tire? The Panaracer is not puncture resistant. After 9 months it is almost warn out.
Path Less Pedaled thanks for getting back to me, the wheels are also WTBs. I’ll definitely try and add more tomorrow. If not I’ll try at another bike shop (one bike mechanic I went to couldn’t get it done too 😬). Keep on riding :)
I just got a cutthroat and am looking at maybe riding it the 1500 miles back to Ottawa. Any suggestions for road riding tires? I’ll be carrying a light load for the tour. I can see doing some light gravel trails and rail trails along the way, but I expect pavement will be the norm.
It's worth noting you are comparing the *Gravel King SK* as opposed to the Gravel King - totally different tires. What width on the SK were you running in comparison?
Just got a gravel bike today with those tires and the back tire is mounted with the rotation that is printed on the rim, but the front is mounted the other way round. Is that a sensible thing to do or an oversight by whomever put them on?
Specialized Sawtooth Gripon 700x42 was unbelievable during a recent gravel race, I knew it was good on ICE but I didn't know how goog untill going uphill on ice during Waterloo G&G, a bike spun out infront of me forcing me to swerve on ice to avoid it, zzoom it just worked on a hard left, avoiding a crash, on the next hill all the bikes were in a row on the gravel shoulder, I went up the ice, passed all of them, like on studs, maybe the sawteeth hold gravel, whatever they do the tires just grips ice like studs..
Don Fraser bought a set for my wife. She mostly rides around town but rides trails occasionally. Great traction. But was getting flats twice a month. Took them off and right back to surly knards. Sitting in the closet since. I'm Keen to give them a try though and see if it was just her or the tires are just that thin.
For the Cannondale Slate I do wish WTB would do this tire in 650bx45c, They've got the Resolute in 42C but sometimes the tread pattern feels just a little to chunky for the conditions. The Clement 650bx42c Xplor MSO in tubeless was my go to tire for this purpose, but since the re-branding to Donnelly there's no word on that size coming back - gutted.
Hey Russ, when you say problems with tubeless mounting, do you mean getting the bead popped in place? Or the tire holding air after initial installation? My mate has no issue mounting this tire and popping the bead in (with a booster), but then after adding sealant and shaking, the tire leaks tremendously through the gap between bead and rim. As if the sealant doesn't want to creep into that gap.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I see. Ours leak around the whole circumference tho, so must be something else. Anyway thank you so much for the reply, you're an absolute MVP
@@PathLessPedaledTV Seemingly every issue with the Riddler I found online was fixed by more tape, but in this case the leak is between tire sidewall and rim wall (proven courtesy my mate's bath tub). I woulda thunk tape has no effect on that interface but idk. If more tape fixed other people's issues then chances are it'll fix ours! This story is super awkward because my Gravelkings worked without zero issue so I talked my mate into going tubeless, only to run into this seemingly unsealable tire. Fml. Thanks for your help
I just got the 2019 Salsa Journeyman 700c and it came with a version of this tire in 37mm. I am fixing to put this 45mm tire on the bike and run tubless. I am allowed to run a maximum size of 700x51mm or 29er by 2". I am having a hard time finding a tire that is supple without a whole lot of tread in my max size. I am in north west Florida, and the majority of what I will be riding will be red clay roads. There will also be some forest roads with white sand. Do you have any recommendations in my max tire size?
ive got maxxis Refuse 47c tires on my long haul trucker, can run them low pressure, supple as a marshmallow and little tread, good for the clay i would guess
Muy buenas vamos a ver una cosa! Yo tengo estos neumáticos en mi Orbea Alma M 50 y van de cine son muy rodadores y qué quieres que te diga además de ser redondos dan muchísimas vueltas
Hi! Thanks for the review. Just wondering what pressures you would recommend for these tyres if used with an inner tube. I am a fairly novice rider and will be doing 60/40 (gravel/road). Thanks
I always try to get those products to review, but its hard for us. We are a relatively small channel, but we are working on growing so we can get more product. Yes, tubeless would work for a cross country tour, but I would bring a tube for backup.
Hi more great info. I have a byte related question. I am looking for a 47mm tyre that rolls well on the road & gives good grip off road (loose dirt/sand, gravel &rock) or am I looking for a tyre that doesn't exist.
I made some quick comparisons. Basically a slightly gnarlier gravel king. Similar central pattern, but addition of knobs on the side for better traction. A little more sluggish on pavement tho.
@Robert Trageser WTB have some very good tyres but bad quality control. I've had two pairs of tyres from them and all tyres had issues. One of the Riddlers had a hole in the sidewall (clearly a manufacturing problem - no sign of getting punctured, bits of rubber getting out and the whole area was leaking air). Managed to seal it up eventually but it was a hassle I really did not need. Both Riddlers were holding air very poorly and after only 1200km the rear would no longer hold air. Resolute had a shifted mold (both of them). Left side of they tyre did not match the right side. Also, WTB tyres tend to be pretty inconsistent with their weight. For instance, Maxxis typically stays withing 5g, WTB can go over 50 (which is a lot for a 40-45mm tyre). It then makes you wonder whether there is extra material that's not supposed be there, or worse, material is missing.
@Robert Trageser hi! Can I ask for advise? I didnt ever tried tubeless tires, the rims on my comutter/gravel, wich are WTB SX19, are not tubless compatiable as I know. Will I able to put a something like Gravelkings SK 43 on those, WITH an inner tubes, securely and without too much force?
@Robert Trageser thanks. I have put Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x40 tires on those rims very easily, without any tire levers. Another question: what do you think about UST-rims and non-UST tire (like those gravelkings or riddler) combination, for a tubless setup? Im looking for a Mavic Allroad (23 internal width) wheels, but someone suggested me to stay away from UST standard...
I like your videos. You have a great speaking voice and a charming manner. Suggestion: more visuals. For example, when you say you struggled with the tyre, show us.
I am very curious as to how a 700x45 tire (such as The Riddler) would compare to a 650bx48mm tire (such as a Switchback Hill). Would the extra 3mm of width really make a big noticeable difference? What is your opinion? Thanks and keep up the great work you are doing for our community. We love you! :)
Good question. I think it is a noticeable difference. You don’t only gain in width but probably more importantly in overall tire volume. Looking at the ties side by side the the 48 is visually plumper with more suspension.
My frame can fit a 700x45 Riddler or a 700x44 Compass Snoqualmie Pass. It can also fit a 47mm or 48mm 650b. Now, what I am wondering is that if I could fit such a large 700c tire, would moving up to the 650b, be worth it? Pun intended. I understand the reason many move up to 650b is so that they can utilize larger volume tires in a frame that could not accommodate large volume with 700c. But if your frame can fit 44mm or 45mm 700c then would the small amount of extra volume in a 47-48mm 650b make a really noticeable difference? Perhaps some of the handling characteristics of the 650b is prefered as well over the 700c? What's your opinion? If you had to choose only one? Thanks :)
So most bike frames are designed with a specific tire radius in mind. As the tire gets bigger or smaller that affects center of gravity, trail, bottom bracket height from the ground, etc., In my mind, I want a bike designed around the tire I would ride the most (around 650b x 47). So for me it makes sense to get a specific 650b bike and not a 700c and jam a bigger tire in there.
I love me some Gorilla Tape but here's one major problem with it, and why I use it on my personal wheelsets but not customer's- it's porous, and sticky as hell. so you lose tire pressure a touch more rapidly, sealant finds its way towards the nipples eventually, and it often comes off as you swap tires. something glossy and nonporous like Stan's tape is generally better. THAT SAID- Gorilla tape has set up wonderfully every time with rarely more than a single wrap! even on Surly's drilled Rabbit Hole rims (yikes). use it if you're unsure of your rim's capacity for tubeless, and if you want something cheap and fast.
Assuming “forest” as in forest service road and not single track? Personal faves would be a Compass in the 40mm+ range, Soma Supple Vitesse or Cazaderos...just got some new Teravail tires to test and they look promising.
Yes, forest service road. I'll check those, you mentioned. I've been thinking about Schwalbe G-One Allround. Do you have any experience with them? Thank you! :)
If you are mostly on dry hard forest surfaces, you could actually look into the schwalbe marathon trekking/touring tire range. they are bulletproof and roll like a champ on pavement.the almotion evolution is the newest one.
Mira si no tienes estos neumáticos montados en tu bici yo te sugiero que te los pongas, vas a alucinar lo bien que ruedan y lo rápido que puedes ir con ellos y además te valen para ir por caminos y pistas forestales compactadas yo con estos neumáticos en mi Orbea Alma M 50 vuelo raso, vamos que no me pilla ni un F 16, 😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇 saludos desde España.
they're not skinwalls either. funny that it would be a point of any sort of contention, but for a true "skinwall" you'd want to look at Maxxis or Onza.
@@jacklambert3265 did you go tubeless? I am still unable to go tubeless :( air just keeps leaking out and I am wondering if it is the same problem he is mentioning
Moustapha Baya no need for me to go tubeless. 2000km without a puncture. For the little inconvenience of having to change the tube if I get a puncture (takes me less than 5 minute) I don’t have to worry about messing around with sealant. For me it’s “why would I change a running system?”
I've put ~400 miles on my 45c Riddlers on a Salsa Marrakesh and they've been really great. This frame has a ton of space so I'm still able to run them with fenders. I run them tubed because one of my wheels isn't TCS-compatible and despite that I haven't had a single pinch flat. They just soak up everything.
I have been running the WTB Riddler 37c for about 350 miles now and they have been great. Amazing traction and good ride. They were very hard to get onto the rim though. For bike frames where 45c is too tight, the 37c version might be a good alternative.
After 3,400 miles, I'm ready to replace the Riddlers that came stock on my 2017 Breezer Radar Pro. The only flats I've had came at the end of this season - glass embedded in tire. I asked the LBS to set these up tubeless when I purchased the bike ... took me way too long to realize it was still running on tubes. That said, I've loved these tires and plan to get a new set in the spring - tubeless this time. Notable rides: 2018 & 2019 DAMn (Day Across Minnesota 240-mile one-day gravel ride); The Royal (167-mile gravel ride); as well as a good number of gravel centuries.
240 miles in a day! Type 0?,
@@trevorastley1727 for real, over 240 miles in less than 24 hours
the-damn.com/
There's a short documentary on Amazon Prime about this ride too
www.amazon.com/Delta-Spirit-Nicholas-Kapanke/dp/B0844XLKXJ
Just receive these tyres. Mount them on a pair of Mavic TN719 rims, with internal width of the rim 19mm(check it with digital caliper). The tyre is 42.5mm wide.
Used the WTB Riddler 45 (black sidewall) for the 2019 DK200. Set them up tubeless on a Cutthroat with the stock DT Swiss C1800 and had ZERO issues. Ran 35 PSI up front and 38 in the rear. Replaced them with the stock tires, in the winter as the rear tire was worn. That being said, they put up with ~1500 miles. I would 100% recommend them and I would purchase them again. If you have clearance issues, look at the Specialized Triggers. Though they only size up to 38c, on a wider rim they spread out to 40, and squat at the bottom to ~42.
Oh great to hear that you’re around these tires on a cutthroat was no problem.
Had you noticed that salsa technically says that the cutthroat should not have any tire under about a 15 mm or 2 inch? I saw that on the post and Even called and talked to salsa text. They definitely corroborated that they do not recommend anything smaller. They said there was concern of a paddle strike due to the geometry of the bike and the reduction of overall height with smaller tires than 50 mm.
I was hoping to get some thing in the realm of 45 to 40 eights but concerned since that conversation.
Great to hear that you did fine
Done nearly 1000km on WTB - no punctures, great feel, good traction and pretty fast on pavement in my opinion
I found this video just now because i'm about to build my own bike. Hope you're still there. How is the wear of the tyre on mixed surfaces (but mostly tarmac)? I've found tyres which are dead after 2k kms which is not what i want
Just found this channel - great content and inspiration! Keep up the good work!
Tubeless setup was fine on tubeless specific rims. The sidewalls are very porous and leaked air constantly so I gave up in the end. Supple yes, but also constantly requiring air. Changed to 40mm Gravelkings - firmer but very reliable.... very happy now despite the $$$. Running on a Salsa Vaya.
Just bought a Marin, these tires came stock on the bike (non-tcs version). They are very sluggish on pavement. The handling is on gravel, but I'll probably by another set of tires as I do not have much local gravel.
I have a pair of 650B 2.4s Riddlers on my Gorilla Monsoon and I love them. I do plan on buying a smaller 47.9 s for the more road riding I do but when the winter arrives or the single track adventures call I will throw them back on. Keep the rubber side down!
I have been running the Riddlers 45c on my Specialized Sequioa on the stock rims and they measure 47mm across them also running them Tubeless and sealed up with no issue with one layer of tape on the rims. I have all but worn this set out after around 1200kms (4months of riding) on any surface from tar roads, gravel roads, single track, rough 4wd trails, fire roads. Very impressed with them and purchased another set. On the Sequioa I still have around 4-6mm clearance around the rear chainstays
Peter Makin do you know what the internal width of the rims are?
Path Less Pedaled 26mm internal. They are Specialized own rims “Hayfield”
Howdy Peter! I also have a sequoia and so far i just walk around smiling and saying wow a lot(this bike is forkin’ awesome)! I was thinking about getting a set of the 45c’s to try but I’m hesitant because, visually the 42 Sawtooths look a little cramped to me. I was wondering if you’ve encountered any tire rub on the chainstays? I would be running them tubeless as well. Also on a side note i am really interested in building a 650b wheelset for the sequoia, but have been trying to find some real world feedback. I’ve seen a few folks do it with the new diverge so i imagine it should most likely work. Do you know anyone who has tried it? Thanks! Like the wind
@@broadfjord7087 I have. sequoia as well and a pair of riddlers on the way! Really happy to see your comment haha. I also have a set of Hunt x-wide 4 seasons on the way and they are 25mm internal width so I feel good about the fit now. Super stoked to get these. Also, glad to see you got the stock wheel set to got tubless with no trouble.
I do not know if the tyres are to blame or if I was just unlucky. But I did have a spate of punctures with the 37mm version and am now trying out Gravel Kings instead. Early impressions are that the GKs offer slightly better comfort and grip. Both roll similarly well. This is mostly on hard surfaces but some slightly looser. The GKs do seem more prone to kicking up gravel. Don’t know how much is hitting the frame but it gets noisy in the mud guards.
This is exactly what I've been looking for. Just order a ;pair. Great review.
If you ever come to Belgium, I would gladly show you the gravel roads of the epic High Venn area. Miles and miles of forests and gravel roads! Just bring enough water
Interestingly enough I just moved to Belgium from the US, but I am on the other side of the country near Mons.
I would like to bikepack/gravel ride down to that area along with Houffalize!
Great video and great show. Love it all the time with great info!
I reside in northern New Mexico, specifically Taos.
Up here a lot of the desert trails have some pretty sharp volcanic rock, and I’m wondering if these Riddler‘s or any other specific tire would be recommended for extra strong sidewalls.
Can’t say I’ve hadAny problems with the stock WTB that came on my cutthroat but I did want to switch out from my 2.4 inch tires to something slightly smaller
I've found the WTB tires to be very hit and miss in accurate sizing, I've had WTB Nanos that are almost a 5mm difference in size, I wanted a 45mm tire for the front and the Riddler came at the same size as my larger 40mm Nano, about 42mm, then I've had other Nanos come out at about 38mm, it's frustrating as you never know what size your going to get when ordering.
Last week I've done 1200km trip through Poland and as much I love the WTB tires the performance was a bad surprise for me. I've got 7 punctures in them. At the beginning i was running them tubeless but I finish the trip on tubes.... :(
Damn, were they very worn out? I have the Riddler 37s, are the tubes more reliable?
@@carl8568 Front was brand new, rear had maybe 300-400km before the trip.
Working well for me for @ 2 seasons now. Have them on 24mm ID carbon wheels on Lynskey Ridgeline 29er with drop bars with Fox fork. I use the bike sparingly cuz of having other types of bikes ie fatbike/mid-plus. I ride from my house here on long island NY roads to my single track trails I frequent for @30 years now. I think that it’s the only reason why these tires are still doing well.
I feel good about the 26x1.75 Continental Tour Rides I put on the 1997 Fuji MX-200 atb I have. Like these tires, what it says it is and what it really is are 2 different specs. The reviewed tires are 700x45c, yet measure 42mm, a true 42c. Mine are 26x1.75, which are 45c using inch to mm conversion, but the Conti Tour Rides are labeled 47-559 (47mm being the width & depth of the tire, 559 being the rim diameter), which really means they are a 26x1.85. Anyway, what the tire is indicated as and what it really works out to may not be the same.
I've put just north of 2,000 miles on multiple set of Riddlers 80/20 pavement to dirt. On hard pack and gravel, these are great at the right PSI! On pavement, they are still considerably fast rolling, but the knobs get eaten away SO FAST on roads. For that reason, I'm moving onto Maxxis Refuse until the 700x44 Byways are out at stores. Just yesterday I reached the limit of my third rear Riddler. Two dynaplugs and a slow leak later I tossed it in the bin...
How do the Maxxis Refuse tyres hold up?
@@carl8568 They worked well, just harder to find in stock at the LBS. Went through two sets and switched to Gravel Kings, which don’t grip as well as either Riddler or last as long Refuse, but are commonly available where I am. I’m actually going to move to Resolutes since my gravel riding has gotten more aggressive this season. Refuse had the best life and on+off road grip for me so far.
@@EricAsuncionROK
Cool, thanks mate 👍
I would love to see a WTB Byway vs Horizon 650b video!
Agree and would love to see those also compared to some of the Compass tires.
I’ve been riding the Riddler 45c on my Topstone for the last 5 months. I’ve been using them for my 35 miles round trip commute a couple days a week, and have done fire road and some light single track in mixed weather.
On my Hunt X-Wide gravel rims they measure out to 45mm. They are excellent, easy to mount, and inflated with a floor pump tubeless without sealant added yet. They roll surprisingly quick on pavement and fine gravel and I’m able to keep up an 18 mph pace on flat conditions. Turn in is responsive and they feel smaller than the size will suggest. I’ve actually had other cyclist keeping up behind me roll up at a stop in complete surprise to what big tires I’m using compared to the speed they roll at.
Durability seems a little less than other tires I use. For comparisons, on the the same route these are about the same numbers of puncture I’ve experienced on different tires in about the same amount of mileage.
Riddlers 700x 45c = 2
Soma Cazadero 650x50 = 0
Pathfinder Pro 700x38 = 0
GP5000 nontubeless 28c = sometime 1 a week
GP5000 tubeless 25c and 32c = so far none
WTB Byway 650x 47c = 0
Trigger Pro non tubeless 700x38 = 4
Gravelking SK 700x38 = 1 but those suckers keep leaking air still
Gravelking SK 700x45 = rear literally peeled off on a fire road ride on a WTB i23 rim forcing me to walk home
Keep in mind, all the tubeless puncture sprayed sealant for a short while and sealed up by themselves.
These are great tires....the only thing that would probably get me to take them off is if Soma introduced the Cazadero in a tubeless tires around the same size.
Is it the carbon or alloy topstone. I have the carbon and am wondering the max size I can fit.
Gvn MTB it’s the Alloy version...they probably would fit on the front of yours since they are similar forks but I’m not sure about the back...the carbon has a goofy 6mm offset of the rear wheel to create clearance with the crank while the alloy does not, which leads to believe the geometry for clearance must be different.
I was surprised they fit so well but I have a good amount of mud clearance with them.
@@Thomas-fy9yc yes cannondale state 40c max for the carbon and 42c for the alloy. Just wondering have much you could push this. Thanks for the reply 👍
Gvn MTB you might take a look at the new Raddlers, they are 40c.
Awesome!! I have a set of Hunt X wide 4 seasons on the way as well as the 45c riddlers. You're comment got me stoked!!
Just ordered my 2nd set of the WTB Riddlers & rode mostly dirt roads with them - wore out the back & replacing it now with another riddler (black wall) wish I would have know about the gummies. Loved it felt like it would cruise down dirt & gave me grip & cushion. Two years of riding 1500-2500 miles. Does anyone know if this tire goes in a certain direction?
Are all Riddler’s tubeless compatible? My Riddler’s do not have TCS printed on the tires.
I have these on my bike they are good on grass and packed dirt. They are a soft rubber and suck on the road i did slip into a rut because the side tread just slipped rite down so im more timid. They came stock on my bike. I do more than 60% riding on poor pavement and will change to a heavier tire with either more spaced knobs or a slick center
Also moved from michigan dirt roads to pavement & sand beach on siesta key Fla & am looking forward to the new riddler tire- but the old balding back one did pretty good on hard packed sand of the beach here.
I have been running this tire on Rolf Hyalite wheels. Internal rim width is 22mm, tire measures 44 mm, tubeless setup is a snap with the combo. My two cents is that this tire excels on dirt and rough terrain but is super slow on pavement. If your main intention is to ride dirt and trails with light single track, this tire should be high on your list to try. It offers excellent traction, and provides a very smooth ride due to the additional volume and ability to run at lower pressures.
I've been using the 37c version of this tire. And they are pretty fast on the road.
Can you use tubes with it? I'm not interested in tubeless.
Did you test these tires in sugar sand or beach sand? If not, can you recommend other tires for sandy conditions?
Any plans on a Raddler review?
Yo con estos neumáticos en mi Orbea Alma voy muy feliz porque ruedan muy bien y son muy silenciosos además para el Gravel son excelentes. A todos los efectos, he transformado mi Orbea Alma, en una bici de Gravel de alto nivel.
Just mounted these on a 26mm internal 32H carbon rim. Right after I laced the wheel. And of course on one set of the spokes I didn’t perform a final cross😂💀 but it’s a commuter rig soooo I should be fine
I am trying to find more of a Mountain bike tire with knobbies for my Trek Verve 3. It cam with Bontrager H5 700 x 45c tires. I switched to Panaracer Fire Cross tires in the same size. Is there any other tire? The Panaracer is not puncture resistant. After 9 months it is almost warn out.
I just got them with my Lekker Amsterdam GT EBike.
I can't seam to get them to seal... the bead pops in but then air leaks out and I am back to square one... how many layers of tape did you use?
Depends on the rim. Just add another layer.
Path Less Pedaled thanks for getting back to me, the wheels are also WTBs. I’ll definitely try and add more tomorrow. If not I’ll try at another bike shop (one bike mechanic I went to couldn’t get it done too 😬). Keep on riding :)
What is the usual clearance we should have at the rear between the tires and the chain stay? Thanks!
Depends on conditions. If dry a few mm. If muddy half an inch.
I just got a cutthroat and am looking at maybe riding it the 1500 miles back to Ottawa. Any suggestions for road riding tires? I’ll be carrying a light load for the tour. I can see doing some light gravel trails and rail trails along the way, but I expect pavement will be the norm.
It's worth noting you are comparing the *Gravel King SK* as opposed to the Gravel King - totally different tires.
What width on the SK were you running in comparison?
40mm SK.
Just got a gravel bike today with those tires and the back tire is mounted with the rotation that is printed on the rim, but the front is mounted the other way round. Is that a sensible thing to do or an oversight by whomever put them on?
Prob a mistake but no big deal.
Specialized Sawtooth Gripon 700x42 was unbelievable during a recent gravel race, I knew it was good on ICE but I didn't know how goog untill going uphill on ice during Waterloo G&G, a bike spun out infront of me forcing me to swerve on ice to avoid it, zzoom it just worked on a hard left, avoiding a crash, on the next hill all the bikes were in a row on the gravel shoulder, I went up the ice, passed all of them, like on studs, maybe the sawteeth hold gravel, whatever they do the tires just grips ice like studs..
Don Fraser bought a set for my wife. She mostly rides around town but rides trails occasionally. Great traction. But was getting flats twice a month. Took them off and right back to surly knards. Sitting in the closet since. I'm Keen to give them a try though and see if it was just her or the tires are just that thin.
For the Cannondale Slate I do wish WTB would do this tire in 650bx45c, They've got the Resolute in 42C but sometimes the tread pattern feels just a little to chunky for the conditions. The Clement 650bx42c Xplor MSO in tubeless was my go to tire for this purpose, but since the re-branding to Donnelly there's no word on that size coming back - gutted.
What would be the recommended PSI por these tires? My weight is 80 kilograms
Hey Russ, when you say problems with tubeless mounting, do you mean getting the bead popped in place? Or the tire holding air after initial installation? My mate has no issue mounting this tire and popping the bead in (with a booster), but then after adding sealant and shaking, the tire leaks tremendously through the gap between bead and rim. As if the sealant doesn't want to creep into that gap.
Mostly the tire holding air. Usually get an annoying leak around the valve core.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I see. Ours leak around the whole circumference tho, so must be something else. Anyway thank you so much for the reply, you're an absolute MVP
Sounds like it needs another layer of tape? Usually that works for me. Also making sure the tape edges are flush with the rim wall.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Seemingly every issue with the Riddler I found online was fixed by more tape, but in this case the leak is between tire sidewall and rim wall (proven courtesy my mate's bath tub). I woulda thunk tape has no effect on that interface but idk. If more tape fixed other people's issues then chances are it'll fix ours!
This story is super awkward because my Gravelkings worked without zero issue so I talked my mate into going tubeless, only to run into this seemingly unsealable tire. Fml. Thanks for your help
Great review. Still appropriate.
i think that by you running lower pressure in the front made the tire feel sluggish when on pavement ,, thanks for the info good stuff
I just got the 2019 Salsa Journeyman 700c and it came with a version of this tire in 37mm. I am fixing to put this 45mm tire on the bike and run tubless. I am allowed to run a maximum size of 700x51mm or 29er by 2". I am having a hard time finding a tire that is supple without a whole lot of tread in my max size. I am in north west Florida, and the majority of what I will be riding will be red clay roads. There will also be some forest roads with white sand. Do you have any recommendations in my max tire size?
Soma Cazadero! Just put a pair on Laura’s bike.
Ditto on the Cazadero. One of my new favorites. Too bad they don’t offer more size options in tubeless .
ive got maxxis Refuse 47c tires on my long haul trucker, can run them low pressure, supple as a marshmallow and little tread, good for the clay i would guess
Muy buenas vamos a ver una cosa! Yo tengo estos neumáticos en mi Orbea Alma M 50 y van de cine son muy rodadores y qué quieres que te diga además de ser redondos dan muchísimas vueltas
Hi, I know this is kinda stupid question. I'm building a gravel bike. My frame is rated for a 700x42c. Is it possible squish in a 700x45c tire?
Maybe but with little mud clearance.
El precio sí que es un poco alto pero vale muchísimo la pena hombre yo desde que le puse a mi bici estos geniales neumáticos , soy mucho más feliz.
Hi! Thanks for the review. Just wondering what pressures you would recommend for these tyres if used with an inner tube. I am a fairly novice rider and will be doing 60/40 (gravel/road). Thanks
Depends on weight. Wouldn’t go higher than 40. Often run in the upper 20s.
can you install these on a 29" Bontrager Kovee, double-wall, Tubeless-Ready, 28-hole, 23 mm width, Presta valve rim ???
Technically you could but would be better with a wider rim.
@@PathLessPedaledTV ok Sir thanks
Review the Pinion gear box please, Rohlof? One more question, do you think you could use tubeless for a cross country tour?
I always try to get those products to review, but its hard for us. We are a relatively small channel, but we are working on growing so we can get more product. Yes, tubeless would work for a cross country tour, but I would bring a tube for backup.
I have Velocity Blunt SS rims i26mm rims. I’m using GK now but always looking at different tires
A super epic tire
Hi more great info. I have a byte related question. I am looking for a 47mm tyre that rolls well on the road & gives good grip off road (loose dirt/sand, gravel &rock) or am I looking for a tyre that doesn't exist.
That’s a lot to ask. Anything that rolls well on paved roads prob won’t have the best grip on super loose stuff.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thanks for the reply. So what would you suggest as a good compromise
Should I buy the 700cx45 or the 37? I ride in the city a lot.
Up to you, but I would put in 45s it you can fit it!
How about compared to the Panaracer Gravelking?
Oh. Haha!
Yep
I made some quick comparisons. Basically a slightly gnarlier gravel king. Similar central pattern, but addition of knobs on the side for better traction. A little more sluggish on pavement tho.
GravelKing is file tread, GravelKing SK is small knobs.
Please pardon my editorial need [again] - but it's a huge and important distinction.
Son unos neumáticos chulisimos por el flanco lateral marrón le da a la bici una estética brutal.
I hit the stop button as soon as you said it was the tire’s fault when you had trouble putting a TCS tire on a non-TCS rim.
I assumed that on 2016 gravel bike by Salsa that the wheels would be tubeless compatible which I think it a fair assumption.
Path Less Pedaled then that's the bike's problem. How is it you buying a tire that's too big as a negative for the tire.
@Robert Trageser WTB have some very good tyres but bad quality control. I've had two pairs of tyres from them and all tyres had issues. One of the Riddlers had a hole in the sidewall (clearly a manufacturing problem - no sign of getting punctured, bits of rubber getting out and the whole area was leaking air). Managed to seal it up eventually but it was a hassle I really did not need. Both Riddlers were holding air very poorly and after only 1200km the rear would no longer hold air.
Resolute had a shifted mold (both of them). Left side of they tyre did not match the right side.
Also, WTB tyres tend to be pretty inconsistent with their weight. For instance, Maxxis typically stays withing 5g, WTB can go over 50 (which is a lot for a 40-45mm tyre). It then makes you wonder whether there is extra material that's not supposed be there, or worse, material is missing.
@Robert Trageser hi! Can I ask for advise? I didnt ever tried tubeless tires, the rims on my comutter/gravel, wich are WTB SX19, are not tubless compatiable as I know. Will I able to put a something like Gravelkings SK 43 on those, WITH an inner tubes, securely and without too much force?
@Robert Trageser thanks. I have put Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x40 tires on those rims very easily, without any tire levers.
Another question: what do you think about UST-rims and non-UST tire (like those gravelkings or riddler) combination, for a tubless setup? Im looking for a Mavic Allroad (23 internal width) wheels, but someone suggested me to stay away from UST standard...
I like your videos. You have a great speaking voice and a charming manner. Suggestion: more visuals. For example, when you say you struggled with the tyre, show us.
I am very curious as to how a 700x45 tire (such as The Riddler) would compare to a 650bx48mm tire (such as a Switchback Hill). Would the extra 3mm of width really make a big noticeable difference? What is your opinion? Thanks and keep up the great work you are doing for our community. We love you! :)
Good question. I think it is a noticeable difference. You don’t only gain in width but probably more importantly in overall tire volume. Looking at the ties side by side the the 48 is visually plumper with more suspension.
My frame can fit a 700x45 Riddler or a 700x44 Compass Snoqualmie Pass. It can also fit a 47mm or 48mm 650b. Now, what I am wondering is that if I could fit such a large 700c tire, would moving up to the 650b, be worth it? Pun intended. I understand the reason many move up to 650b is so that they can utilize larger volume tires in a frame that could not accommodate large volume with 700c. But if your frame can fit 44mm or 45mm 700c then would the small amount of extra volume in a 47-48mm 650b make a really noticeable difference? Perhaps some of the handling characteristics of the 650b is prefered as well over the 700c? What's your opinion? If you had to choose only one? Thanks :)
So most bike frames are designed with a specific tire radius in mind. As the tire gets bigger or smaller that affects center of gravity, trail, bottom bracket height from the ground, etc., In my mind, I want a bike designed around the tire I would ride the most (around 650b x 47). So for me it makes sense to get a specific 650b bike and not a 700c and jam a bigger tire in there.
Dud you really need to give up with Stan’s tape and just use 1” gorilla duct tape. Cheaper and it’s far easier to apply
I love me some Gorilla Tape but here's one major problem with it, and why I use it on my personal wheelsets but not customer's- it's porous, and sticky as hell. so you lose tire pressure a touch more rapidly, sealant finds its way towards the nipples eventually, and it often comes off as you swap tires. something glossy and nonporous like Stan's tape is generally better.
THAT SAID- Gorilla tape has set up wonderfully every time with rarely more than a single wrap! even on Surly's drilled Rabbit Hole rims (yikes). use it if you're unsure of your rim's capacity for tubeless, and if you want something cheap and fast.
Can you do a video or give a suggestion for the best 26 winter commuter tire?
ting280 schwalbe marathons do the trick
Which tire would you recommend for pavement/forest (50/50)?
Assuming “forest” as in forest service road and not single track? Personal faves would be a Compass in the 40mm+ range, Soma Supple Vitesse or Cazaderos...just got some new Teravail tires to test and they look promising.
Yes, forest service road. I'll check those, you mentioned. I've been thinking about Schwalbe G-One Allround. Do you have any experience with them? Thank you! :)
If you are mostly on dry hard forest surfaces, you could actually look into the schwalbe marathon trekking/touring tire range. they are bulletproof and roll like a champ on pavement.the almotion evolution is the newest one.
I built up 2 bikes with them and ran them with tubes and they are terrible to get seated.
Can these be used with a tube?
Yes.
Mira si no tienes estos neumáticos montados en tu bici yo te sugiero que te los pongas, vas a alucinar lo bien que ruedan y lo rápido que puedes ir con ellos y además te valen para ir por caminos y pistas forestales compactadas yo con estos neumáticos en mi Orbea Alma M 50 vuelo raso, vamos que no me pilla ni un F 16, 😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇 saludos desde España.
doesn't make sense to rate the tire low on the part where you note the rim is the issue.
what gravelbike takes 47x700?
Tiny Adventures By Bike kona sutra ltd
OPEN UP bike takes up to 2.1 inches (53mm).
Not many
Salsa Vaya.
@@PathLessPedaledTV not a 700x2.1 though. You need to downsize to a 650b rim to fit a 2.1. A 700 x 2.1 is too large in diameter.
Tanwall or skinwall. They definitely aren't gumwalls.
they're not skinwalls either. funny that it would be a point of any sort of contention, but for a true "skinwall" you'd want to look at Maxxis or Onza.
Nice vid! Im new to your videos. You and your partner remind me of me and mine! Haha we both bike/travel together too. Where are you guys based?
Currently Missoula, MT!
Ridden with these 3 times, 3 flats :(
Go tubeless bro!
1200km without a flat
@@jacklambert3265 did you go tubeless? I am still unable to go tubeless :( air just keeps leaking out and I am wondering if it is the same problem he is mentioning
Moustapha Baya no need for me to go tubeless. 2000km without a puncture. For the little inconvenience of having to change the tube if I get a puncture (takes me less than 5 minute) I don’t have to worry about messing around with sealant. For me it’s “why would I change a running system?”
Looks like a wide MSO.
In 29er OK Bro?
Comfy ride when it's not too muddy. A bit sticky on asphalt, built for gravel and singletrack. But then: punctures, desinflating... a true disaster.
I make sling shots
Riddler ???? i prefer the Joker.
Huh. Meh
how would these work for bikepacking/touring the Katy trail, GAP, etc?