Games That Waste Your Time.
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2023
- Over time, video games have gotten longer and longer. And while that's fine in general, some developers have found ways to make their games longer just for the sake of being long, rather than to make a better game.
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To clarify: On my BDO points, I'm not saying the only endgame activity is grinding. It's a sandbox game, so there are plenty of things you can do. I did participate in a ton of PVP, lifeskills, etc. The point I'm making in the video is about arbitrary extensions of the amount of time required to make "progress" in certain games. In the case of Black Desert, there is an expectation that you will "grind" to earn money that will either buy you end game gear or help you with the chance to upgrade your gear. That may not mean just doing combat, but for many people (me included), the game can feel like a secondary "job" that you have to constantly be "working" due to the pressure of wanting to keep up with other players. That may not be the case for you, which is good! If you're able to set your own goals and stay completely away from endgame PVP content where you need to constantly improve your gear in order to stay competitive, that's great!
If however you've played other "theme park" style Mmos like Final Fantasy XIV Online, you'll know that there are level caps per expansion, and there are "best in slot" gear items for every new expansion. Once you hit those, you're done in terms of any kind of "grinding". Additionally, these games are filled to the brim with content like new dungeons, raids, etc. that will generally get you to a pretty decent spot level wise/gear wise just by doing them through the main story content. These aren't perfect by any means: rng drops on gear can be frustrating at times. But I find that for me they're generally more "worth" my time because these games continuously give you new content throughout your whole progression journey.
On open worlds: I don't hate open world games. Please see the very first video on this channel to get my thoughts on the genre. I clearly have criticisms of certain games and the Ubisoft style of game design that so many games follow these days, but in no way am I saying that you need to dislike those games just because I have problems with them. My opinion isn't law; I'm just some random person on the internet sharing my perspective. If you absolutely love that style of open world game, then I say more power to you and I hope you have a wonderful time playing them!
Hopefully that clears up any misunderstandings, and have fun gaming everyone!
impulse control issue i would agree if you have that it might not be the game for you. you should not feel pressure to keep up with other players the work makes the reward much more sweeter i just feel like because this is not a traditional mmo and plays on a more hardcore side of the genre that its unfair to judge the game if you have less then 1.5-3k hours especially if you have not played under kakao reign. this game lets you be a hero or a villain as you engage the world and the people who play within it i played through the worst of bdo and right now for a rather new person you can almost immediately engage in 500-700m hour spots right of the rip with limited to no spot contest nothing is more dissatisfying then a fast paced MMO, mmo's are about the journey over time as you do all different things that not only bolster you're character but you're account and portfolio as a whole. its about living in a virtual world and within that world you still can experience every emotion.
One of the first open world games that comes to mind when talking about one that doesn’t waste your time is Shadow of the Colossus. The world isn’t filled with relatively meaningless side quests, or half baked content. It’s just you and the Colossi.
That's a great example! It really is such a carefully crafted open world game. No bloat, everything you do feels important
GW2 is only MMO that actually respects players time, i been playing casually since launch with massive 10+yrs hiatus in between and still perfectly good to go.
I don't know if it's the only one, but from everything I hear it sounds like the devs actually respect the players which is super rare these days. Good to hear!
Elden Ring came to mind first when I thought of which games did this right. I thought the world was going to be a bloated mess of nothing until I actually started exploring. Half the fun is not knowing what you'll find but at the same time, knowing the developers aren't tricking you into thinking there is something. That way when you fail to find anything interesting, it's not a bad thing considering all the others places with goodies to find.
Can't say Assassin's Creed without saying ass twice.
I agree, Elden Ring strikes a really good balance of having a large world, but not feeling the need to put something in every single hidden spot. Sometimes, you just want to explore because the world is so beautiful and the game is so immersive, and that's cool.
Also lol
The right mindset playing into new games is also needed to enjoy something. Like burnout from playing the same thing is also possible when transitioning from one game to another, especially when you're trying to rush the content.
That's a great point. I really try to space out playing similar games these days because you're right, playing the same type of game one after another leads to burnout.
Bro is making the best videos as if it takes no effort 🗣🗣💯🔥
Sheesh thank you! Just trying my best!
@@realtayo42 keep going S2
I remember Lego Universe being the first mmo I ever played and at a point mmos became my favourite genre of game only for my love for them to fade completley.
It's sad, that's the cycle a lot of us go through with the genre.
Your channel is like a videogame dunkey and nakeyjakey mix
This is great btw
That's 2/3 of my favorite channels and inspirations haha!
Thanks!
I play BDO and I am 100% sure you dont even try to pvp once, or go to node wars, GvGs, or any content related to pvp, you just probably farm mobs and sell stuff for silver and continue to kill mobs with out a goal for what to do with that silver earned, for me my goael is to push my gear to duel in the open world grind spots. interrupt people farm xD as red player sometimes
That's a lot of assumptions. I spent plenty of time doing tier 1 node wars and fighting different people in the arena. It's good to have goals though, since it is a sandbox game without any clear direction. I'm glad you're having fun
I’ve played only the story of The Old Republic and it was one of the greatest stories I’ve experienced.
Fun fact: It was the failure of The Last Jedi that pushed me to finally play SWTOR.
Oh classic Bioware. I wish they could go back to doing stuff like that.
I would love a list of these games(also just short games too)
I'm sure a looking up a list of modern open world games on one of the gaming websites would yield you some results.
Unless you meant games that don't waste your time haha
@@realtayo42 yeah the latter lol
This is what's been so refreshing about Final Fantasy 16 for me. It pairs well with Zelda as it's super linear with areas to explore a bit, but generally you can go from quest to quest in a straight line & are intended to.
Diablo 4 had been a mixed bag for me though, the story mode was great & I've been skipping side quest dialog to expedite rewards (my new way of getting through the memorable parts of a game & not wasting my time of stuff I'll forget anyways). However it's "End Game" activities have caused me to not play with friends frequently as we all need different things at different times in terms of rewards.
Basically what you're describing with MMO grind burnout is the same thing that's been put into Diablo at this point, & while it can still be a fun co-op game with friends occasionally I know I'm not getting max level any time soon. Maybe the new seasonal characters which are intended to be played over a 3 month period like Diablo 3 did will pull me back in, but it should've launched with a season & not waited a month.
I think "shorter" linear games are actually refreshing at this point with the amount of massive open world ones we're getting. It's a shame to hear that you're experiencing that with Diablo 4. I know it launched to a pretty good reception but I've been seeing stuff like what you're saying recently. Hopefully they step up a bit and start putting out more content.
@@realtayo42 I have no doubt that when I start a new character for the first season of Diablo 4 it'll be fun again, but the crunch of wanting to be "ready" for it is making the game unenjoyable at this point. I'd actually love to sitdown with whoever made the decisions on a few things like the lilith statues which are basically 5 hours of mandatory running around while using a guide to get permanent increases to your characters (thankfully only one time needs to be done). As someone who's done hobbyist development for over a decade I just don't understand why you'd do that to your player.
I'm guessing the intent is "collect what you find along the way", but not a single person I know that plays games does things that way. Not even my "non-gamer" wife who spent hundreds of hours trying to collect everything in Animal Crossing thinks that way.
Any Nintendo game. They are _ALL_ just filled with unskippable cutscenes that take up over half of the early game.
That hasn't exactly been my experience but I also generally play super narrative focused games with a lot of cut scenes so I'm biased haha
Back then, games had long development times because they had big things in mind. Nowadays they have long development times because the assets take so long to create. "Developers" (often rather the studios) don't focus on the content anymore. "The better the game looks, the better it plays". I miss the old days.
Well said. Prioritizing graphics over gameplay is what led to the whole mess we're in.
How to avoid getting scammed out of your time by video games: don't play games that sell exp boosts. They are admitting that they are waiting your time.
The rewards use to be the story. Now games just a reward the grinders and companies.
This is why I've moved toward playing jrpgs a lot; they still really focus on the story and characters and don't usually have all the nonsense.
@@realtayo42 I heard the new badurs gate was good 👍
I hope things return close to normal sometime
I was under the impression that games are meant to waste my time.
That may be the case for you if that's what you're looking for. I don't think games are a waste of time. Getting stuck into really interesting stories or playing super fun and innovative gameplay focused games are a great way to relax for me.
@@realtayo42 I mean same. I play games to relax too. Also, I'm sorry it was not fully obvious due to the nature of text base communication, but it was mostly made in tongue in cheek. Sure they're a waste of time, but the best waste ever.
@@TheHighborn Oh you're good haha, it's hard to convey tone through text. I didn't mean to be super serious either. And yeah, games are awesome!
Every single player that return to BDO, should go through a mandatory enhance moments, only then would you trully be able to decide is this what you really wana go back to ?
Like a wake up call haha
When is a game not worth your time? For me, it's when you treat it like a side-job that you are indifferent to. When I play the same game for 300+hrs, it gets to a slow stage, where I'm just there, from habit and tomorrow I won't remember what I did. I think that's when the game is truly wasting your time.
I'm guilty of this in New World, though to a lesser extent, because I refuse to do tasks. I start the game and there are around 2-3hrs worth of "chores", which just means the most efficient way to earn money and materials. I almost quit the game completely when I did the chores, it was boring and I logged off almost immediately after doing "chores". I found a guild, only log on when I want to, I only do what my mind wants to do at any point, and instead of farming I chat, help guildmates etc...
Though the game is arguably the worst game of all the hour-sinking games I've played, by prioritizing "fun" and keeping breaks, it's the game I can have fun with even know.
I really like your comment because I feel that it sums up the whole experience I'm talking about. Going from that initial excitement to slowly becoming indifferent to a game you still really want to play is disheartening. I think what you're talking about with changing your priorities and trying to have fun in new ways is the way to go about it if you still really want to spend time in that game's world. Hope you're having fun playing New World now!
This is why I hesitate to go back to BDO, its grinding/afk mechanics just isn't actively fun for me anymore. I'd much rather play guilty gear or dnf duel to get my high paced adrenaline pvp rush. Having to grind in a game like BDO to hardcap practically guarantees you throw away your social life outside of work if you aren't willing to pay or sink THOUSANDS of UNFUN hours.
Ooh fellow fighting game fan. Yea I'm with you, my main thing in BDO was generally uncapped endgame pvp and the need to grind like crazy to stay caught up with everyone just to still be able to fight on a level playing field was what burned me out. Much better to jump into a fighting game where everyone can use the exact same characters and it all comes down to a matter of skill.
Fair enough
Indeed
Bdo does not have a grinding problem the players have a grinding problem if you play the game at a balanced pace you will find it actually rewards you for you're time
I think you're right about playing at a balanced pace. My problem was that when I was playing, the only compelling end game content for me was high level pvp. There was a constant arms race to get better and better gear, which promoted endless grinding. I'm sure that players who aren't interested in that can have a wonderful time playing, and if that's the case for you, I hope you get many more hours of enjoyment from the game!
@@realtayo42 i mean endgame pvp activities aside from raw Gvg's is capped at a completely reasonable gear cap that just completing seasonal gets you access to and thats node wars Tier 1 which i believe is the most competitive experience i don't grind much anymore and i still make gains i stick to agris rotations when i do grind and if i have 0 agris i move to something else like life skilling some grind spots are like less then 200 ap and are very rewarding if we had this conversation 2 maybe 3 years ago i would agree with you but as the game is right now you are very generously rewarded for you're time.
Throne and Liberty is an MMO that respects everyone's time!
I haven't heard much about it before actually
@@realtayo42haha theres nothing special to hear about that game, another korean mmorpg wich is borderline mobilegame wich is gonna flop so no worries!
I think I'm over open world games for the next lifetime personally
Haha I get that. I still get excited when a truly unique one shows up, but those aren't terribly common.
This is an issue for sure, but imo the fact, that 95% of the games nowadays come in early access with laggy and shitty experience and never even get completed is even worse. In the end we are unpaid testers for all lazy companies and none of early release games respect our time and money.
You've hit the nail on the head. I've made some videos on similar points previously. It's just the sad reality for a lot of games these days.
I loved AC odyssey and played for dozens and dozens of hours and finished the main story. It was a great game for what it was and i kept coming back to it. But ever since I got Ghost of tsushima……i never returned to AC odyssey. I felt Ghost of tsushima is everything odyssey should have been. And now after finishing main story, im going for a 100% completion and will start new game+ in it. It’s THAT good. And now i really wish odyssey was as captivating as GoT.
That's great to hear! I know a lot of people did enjoy Odyssey, but for me after about the 30 hour mark I really wanted it to be over and it just kept going another 30-40 hours. I actually haven't had the chance to play Ghost of Tsushima yet but it's near the top of my list to play! (whenever it comes to pc since I don't have a playstation right now). Glad to hear you're enjoying it, and have fun with that Platinum!
It’s funny. I struggle to finish games, but ended up loving odyssey quite a bit mostly due to Kassandra and the stealth and poison build I used. I ended up getting the platinum and finishing the DLC. Couldn’t get into Valhalla at all
@@realtayo42 yeah I played on hardest difficulty and it started fun but at level 77 now it's just a slug fest, takes an actual 10 minutes to kill any skull level I come across (which is every quest now), the only quest I have left to finish the Cultists is the Arena champion, it took like 15-30minutes of running around in circles applying fire to them before I was like screw this. fellas, is it more difficult+fun to give the enemies more health and damage?
if you level past 61 and you start to dis the game on how long it takes to level thats you're fault for caring for a meaningless number level is a bi product not the goal
I am so absolutely sick of open world. I have ghost of T and horizon f w sitting on my ps5 and I can't bring myself to go through the fucking outposts and grass stealth and shit
It's a shame that so many games in that genre don't try to change up the formula.
Disagree, bloat isnt wasting a players time.
Players should have the capacity to decide what is meaningful to them to do or not. Nobody forces you to do 100% completions. Play the critical path or chose any number of side quests or other activities to do alongside it.
dont conflate choice with necessity
I don't believe I mentioned going after 100% completion in any of these games. And to your point on playing the critical path, that was the exact problem with the newest AC games. The exp gained from completing main story missions was artificially lowered by the developers to push people toward buying the dlc exp booster.
@@realtayo42 that feels a bit disingenious on the criticizm side, ive played dozens of games where i had to do side quests in order to be the right level to continue in the main story line and having played all recent AC games i just organically played them without grinding anything and ive never hit a level requirement barrier. It still doesnt equate to wasting someones time.
What i would consider wasting someones time is needles time/moeny/gear punishment for failures/deaths or having to wait for specific types of content. stuff like unnecessary checkpoint save systems.
Clearly you haven't played rust.
Oh no no that's something I never want to get into haha
Who hurted you dude? You sound like someone who don't know how to have fun in open world games but plays them anyway. Is someone forcing you to do that? Same things with mmo. Yes, BDO is a grind fest but is anyone forcing you to play it if it's such a chore to you? To me it sounds like you don't respect your own time by playing games of the genre you don't like and are unable to have fun in. Just go and do something different with your life instead of whining about it
Can't say anybody hurt me. I love tons of open world games like No Man's Sky, Forza Horizon 5, Witcher 3, RDR2, Zelda, Arkham City, etc. I don't play BDO anymore because I decided to take my time more seriously, so you're right. I learned to respect my time after realizing that some games were designed to waste it. If you think all criticism is "whining" then we probably don't have much to talk about. And in that case, I hope you have a great day!
For BDO, everyone is playing within the same boundaries and limitations as you. Players have the option to purchase their gear off the central marketplace which means that your time is not wasted on RNG mechanics, like you mentioned. What makes BDO great is that you can set whatever goals you want and do whatever you want. There are players who reached the top 1% of geared players in less than 2 months with very minimal RNG. It's just all about the time and effort you put in.
Nah, BDO is a huge waste of time. You literally said it, you have to do it a job in order to succeed.
It's great that you've been able to enjoy yourself playing BDO! I would honestly be interested in seeing a video series of someone documenting their journey from new character to high level PVP competitive gear in that short of a time period. I'm sure someone has found the way, but I've never seen it personally. That being said, I haven't kept up with BDO in recent times, so things may have changed. In the video I did state that my journey began way back when the game first became available in NA. I'm aware the game has changed since the new publisher took over, but this wasn't a review of the state of BDO in 2023, it was a discussion of my experience with the game.
@@DiegoPrs that's the same for any type of game you want to take competitively. If you are looking at MOBAs or FPS games, you have to put in the time to improve your own skill. By your definition, every game with some type of competitive aspect is a waste of time.
Also, on the topic of BDO. There is no real need to reach the top % of geared players as fast as possible. There is a scene for all types of geared players and you can enjoy your time with any of these scenes. The game is more about the process than the end goal. It's not like you will suddenly enjoy the game once you reach the highest gear possible. It's enjoyable every step of the way. Just depends on what you want to get out of the game.
@@realtayo42 Check out ImChoice's 700gs series. He was able to achieve his gear in 55 days. As long as you have a solid plan, it can be done. Just depends on your motivation and effort
Bethesda games are the best ways to waste your time.
They are (or at least they used to be). I'm hoping starfield returns to the older Fallout/Elder Scrolls days where there's a decently interesting main path but the world is so interesting that you end up spending hundreds of hours exploring everything and never getting bored.