What MMO Should you play?
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With so many MMO games fighting for your attention, and your money, which are worth your time, which have worls worth exploring, which are still going to be around?
Let's first of all set our expectations to a more realistic level, and then look into the reality of playing whatever you want, not what the internet tells you to.
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I'm surprised you didn't recommend this channel.
It's free-to-play, got hundreds of hours of content, and the cash shop isn't too bad.
The story DOES rely on a single character a bit too much, but he's kind of a fan favorite at this point.
lmao yup
God damn it, I thought you were really talking about a game.
The story repeats itself a lot in the same chapter. But it's alright for a third monitor game 👻
@JOSHZYYY very cross platform, works on mobile, all desktop operating systems, and even consoles
But it’s got Patreon, so it’s pay to win . . .
Guild Wars 2 is brave enough to sponsor you cause they Actually Believe in their Product. Props to them!
At least their belief in their product is justified and certified by many players that is worth it unlike gamigo hahaha
Full of people using bot is it still good game then got nothing to say then
@@RickyTran7788 bottting is near the brink of extinction in GW2. The developer of the bot announced that they will be departing to mainly FFXIV also so yeah
The only con: mounts are locked behind paywall. In 2019 i saw a gw2 ad where it showcased skycale and i got so excited only to be sad and disappointed :(
@@Syndra_maximoff1 skyscale is most def not a paywalled mount. If i remember correctly its a grind for end game players
As an MMO virgin, I tried getting into FF14 a year back for the first time with some died hard MMO friends that grew up playing WoW. After seeing that they treated leveling up their character and blasting through ARR like a second job I dropped it almost immediately. Coming back to FF14 a year later and going at it on my own pace, playing it very casually and treating it like a game instead of a second job, I can actually see the appeal now. It might take me several months to beat ARR at my current pace, but if this is the game's low point then I'm incredibly hyped about what comes after it.
Honestly, my exact experience, but I've not gone back yet. Plan to eventually, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth.
FF14 is one of the more "Casual friendly" MMOs in my experience. You can bugger off for months at a time and never feel like you're really behind
I see people doing that to "starting GW2 for the first time" players. New people streaming, having fun and then you tune in a few days later and they get showered with gold by viewers, dragged through dungeons to level up fast and a week later they play a different game.
Diehard fans are probably the worst thing new players can encounter.
Yeah my friend was disappointed when I didn't like FF14. I was thinking of retrying it tho because they basically lead me with a leash while I was leveling making it as boring as possible.
I wanna try it without someone telling me where to go and what buttons to press pls and thank you 🙄
Wow, same actually. I tried Final Fantasy 14 ARR ages ago with friends who were already neck deep into Shadowbringers. Unfortunately, due to them being maxed out in level, having their own mounts and knowing what to do, they essentially taxi'd me around the whole map, accepting quests, going with them to the next quest and pushing through the dialogue.
Of course I quickly dropped the game because despite having an easy time with progress, I didn't actually learn anything from my time playing it neither did I actually engage myself into what was happening in the story.
Occaisionally, I would actually purchase my sub again and try to sneakily play the game on my own to see if I could get to grips with whether I'd actually like it, but then my friends would see that I've logged into the game and instantly find where I was, starting the whole process again of me not really absorbing anything. This was a couple of years ago, I'd tell them I wanted to play solo but truthfully I was scared that'd be a weird thing to say in regards to an MMO in general, I didn't want to push them away from an intended experience so ironically enough I rarely even touched the game in the first place.
Fast-forward to a few weeks ago from TODAY, I decided to try a different tactic, once again potentially wasting sub money for an experience I didn't even know I'd like (for some reason, the free return campaigns they had running didn't work for my account despite not having touched the game in months).
This time I opened the game and decided to start from scratch, making a new character in the whole process despite not actually NEEDING to on a mechanical level.
With my new character, this time I sat back, I was able to focus my attention on the story cutscenes, the context of dialogue boxes, the controls in combat. Everything suddenly became something I could appreciate and sink myself into it because despite wanting to play with my friends when getting the game, it was my friends that railroaded my experience into not actually appreciating the game itself. My new character is now already 10 levels higher than my old character who I paid a total of several months for in subs; a character that I spent over a hundred hours playing, barely progressed through the game because I had no drive to do so, compared to a character only a few weeks old, having blasted through more than half the main story in ARR in under 30 hours because I actually had the chance to get myself invested.
I look forward to playing some more this week before renewing my sub (and not feel like I'm wasting money for once).
It's crazy how much empathy this man displayed while talking MMOs he likes.
why is it crazy to display empathy when talking about something you like?
@@trashbird8526I think it's a contrast to him ripping into bad games
@@trashbird8526because he’s normally tearing into MMO’s that have major flaws or what not
I'm only a minute in, and hearing you say "you might actually enjoy them more if you play them in a more casual way" made me very happy.
People who expect to grind their life away on a single game have 100% been conditioned to play like that from World of Warcraft, that isn't fun, I left wow to escape that and some people still cling to it like their own gamer version of stockholm syndrome... its sad.
@@aidensnow5017 Eh, not really. Everquest and RuneScape came out before WoW and they were way grindier than what WoW ever was. WoW was always considered the casual MMO player's game, still is.
@@VictusPrime a casual mmo would have a horizontal progression system like GW2. WoW isn’t casual just because there’s a grinder game around.
The problem with grind heavy games like Runescape is that you have players who don't want to grind but want to win so they play with some form of a bot 24-7. Which means they developer has to push the levels up to limits that can not be achieved by those who actually play.
I want a game I can play not one where I download a third party hack and log in to see if I advanced any further than anyone else running the same cheat.
I learned this lesson the hard way playing Genshin Impact. Doing Dailys and Artifact Dungeons just got FAR too tedious. But I didn't want to fall behind, so I pushed myself. But eventually it felt like a job I was NOT getting paid for, and that just killed my love for the game. Got COMPLETELY burnt out.
I still have a fondness for the characters, but I just don't have the Time and Energy commitment, much less money to really wanna throw at a game like that.
"GW2s style aged like a fine wine". Captured it perfectly. Didn't know that it was based on watercolor paintings but it makes sense. Such a beautiful game
The look of the game is actually extensions of their fantastic Concept Art Department. Check out Kekai Kotaki, his works in designing and creating GW2 is massive, among other badass Concept Artists at ANet.
I remember a video that came out from Anet before the launch with the at the time Art Director talking about the style. I can't find it but I believe the phrase he used was a "painterly style" was what he was going for.
@@CarBENbased ua-cam.com/video/FU1JUwPqzQY/v-deo.html @0.57 seconds.
@@MrBluminati That's the one!
I recommend the official artbook. Best purchase I ever made as far as artbooks go
I wish that more MMO reviews focused on things other than endgame competitive stuff. It can be hard to find a game when I’m not approaching the game with the desire to spend thousands of hours.
Thank you for being a channel that shows the pros and cons of even the early game! It makes it easy to get excited about a game when I know that there’s fun to be had before I hit 100 hours!
Just so glad WoW wasn't on that list!
If I may, this is late, but warframe is honestly fun the whole way through, while there is pvp nobody particularly cares, the paid currency is in game tradeable for REALLY cheap, and the "endgame" is quite literally just being pretty.
@@Sevastieldripframe is endgame 🗣️🔥🔥
GW2 is definitely my favorite. The sheer fact that I can skip the grind and jump into PVP appeals to me. It's also nice to just journey around that beautiful world.
This guy feels like that mmorpg teacher I'd like to have for some reason, great video
He’s the MMO teacher a lot of companies need
I would take every class, he's teaching.
thats also why ive been around. got here when i was playing Neverwinter. Josh had around 13k subs back then. Charismatic guy, the way he explains things. sense of humor. whats there not to like!
Josh went to school to become a teacher irl.
Nice pfp
JSH: "Any hobby comes with a price tag."
Also JSH: *looks at WH40K collection and silently weeps*
There are certain MMOs which are maintained by community which are completly free : Neocron , Skylords ( ex Battleforge )
Dont forget the expensive Citadel paints :')
(I've never bought any citadel paints before. I've mostly just bought Reaper for non-tabletop figures)
same, but luxury cardboard rectangles :O
*Battletech Collector*
First time?
Crack is cheaper than 40K, but it does not have the grimdarkness that I need.
Man, I’d listen to this guy talk about Anything he has passion for. He could tell me about his favorite kinds of bricks and how he judges them, which brick companies have poor morals, whatever, if he cared about it, I’d sit through a four hour video. It’s the kind of energy I love to see in teachers
It's been 6 months so you probably know this, but he actually was a teacher!
5:43 guild wars 2
9:09 final fantasy 14
12:15 elder scrolls online
16:15 runescape(s)
19:52 _intermezzo_ and some old and small games and why you should play them all
A real mvp here
what game is it in 0:45?
the first person one
may i ask you what is the name of the game in 0:40
@@nhyanali8486 Late to answer this one but that is Runescape. The modern version of Runescape and not the Old School version.
12:22 "Skyrim was apparently Todd Howard's horcrux based on how many times he's re-releasing it"
Lungs and tea are not meant to interact
I know, right ?
And yet, my tea tries to visit my lungs so very often !
You're on point about GW2. I've played it SUPER casually over the course of the past near decade, sometimes not playing for a year or so at a time, but every time I come back there's something to do, I'm not super behind on having to catch up, and it's just so so easy to pop in and out of. Definitely incredible value.
I can't signup an account, any suggestion?
Guild
Wars 1 is better pve game and gw2 is better pvp
same owned it for years and haven't even gotten to heart of thorns yet cause I get distracted making a new character or mapping
It's full of bots and hackers.
Guild Wars 2 is easily my favorite MMO out there by a long shot.
I tried ESO over a weekend when it was free. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING. When I want to play an MMO, the very last thing I want is story. I want gameplay. It was 90% story.
I heard that FF14 is also quite heavy on the story so I am avoiding it.
I played a lot of RuneScape when I was a kid. Loved it. I hate the new look and the huge changes of new RS. I don't feel like starting again from 0 on OSRS. They don't let you transfer from new RS to OSRS.
I played Neverwinter for a while. The disgusting p2w model at max level killed it for me. It was fun while it lasted.
WOW on private servers is unreliable as they always delete your characters for inactivity. Servers get hijacked. They just give up and shut the servers down. Blizzard feels like going on a power trip every once in a while. I did play a lot of WOW. All of my grind has been deleted.
I played a bit of EVE Online. When I realized that there is a lot of open world PVP plus I can level/ buy whatever I want for real money to get an advantage, I stopped. The gameplay was also unbelievably boring with my starter ship.
Black Desert Online is a Korean MMO with insane grind and p2w mechanics. I don't play that.
Warframe. Not exactly an MMO. It is a 3rd person looter shooter. If Warframe is considered an MMO then so should Borderlands. I did enjoy my time in Warframe. Quite a lot of time. Great fun.
So yeah. I can't think of another MMO to play at this moment in time other than Guild Wars 2. No dramatic changes over its lifetime (RS, WOW). Fun varied gameplay. Light story. Your progress doesn't randomly get deleted. Beautiful world to explore. Decent endgame. An insane amount of bang for your buck. Horizontal progression. No disgusting p2w mechanics.
If anyone can suggest an MMO similar to Guild Wars 2 that would be great.
one thing about ESO that people often sleep on is the armor sets, which are often interesting and powerful enough to build an entire character around. It's a great bit of horizontal progression that also FEELS like vertical progression simply because it's a piece of optimization that a lot of people completely miss out on. There's an armor set that makes you use mana instead of stamina when blocking/dodging/bashing, a set that makes your shield bashes deal an AoE shockwave, a set that lets you donate your Ultimate points to teammates instead of using it yourself, a set that deals damage and stuns when you dodge-roll into an enemy. They're a lot of fun and are where a lot of interesting gameplay can come from for those people who are into theorycrafting or if you just liked making some silly gimmick build in skyrim and want to do the same thing here.
I got incredibly happy when you mentioned Ultima Online. I’ve been playing it on and off for 20 years and I love that they keep my characters from when I was 13. Thanks for the videos, I’m hooked!
You should play "GW2", thanks for sponsoring :D
You pressed 2 instead of 1 there.
@@ANDELE3025 no he was right
Best MMO
Ahh yes i love me some garden warfare.
Genuinely tho if ea didn't crucify those games with pay to win they'd still be my favourite shooters
garden warfare 2? 🤣
End of Dragons isn't the last GW2 expansion btw, it's just the end of the current story arc
yeah, strange mistake xD
@@DanieliusGoriunovas I remember them calling it final at one point. Might not be true anymore but I understand why JSH got the impression
@@frosthammer917 FF14 did similarly with EW, saying it's the final expansion for the current story. That's how EoD works too, so saying "final" isn't wrong persay, imo
@@Lorddraigo Why are a lot of MMOs coming out with the whole "End of a story Arc" expansion?
First EndWalker. You also have End of Dragons with GW2. And WoW next patch is also supposed to be a finale of sorts. Difference is, FFXIV and GW2 earned their finale. WoW is playing catch up in the most desperate way possible.
@@sebastiancintron29 why = all good stories have to end, and you should plan that ending well in advance.
Wow = a no plan forever story that, like you said, they decided needed an end cuz it's "cool." Yay WoW...
My favourite part of any MMO I jump on is world exploring. I run around all over the maps, getting stuck in places you were not supposed to reach, and just enjoying all the new sights. Repetition is what kills a game for me, so when I reach a point where the grind gets too overwhelming I quit and go to the next game.
Two games that stand out the most to me when it comes to exploration are Lord of the Rings Online and Guild Wars 2. So if you're an explorer like me, give both of them a go. There are so many wonderful and nicely crafted environments in those games you'll sometimes forget you are on a quest and instead spend hours just exploring every little nook and cranny.
I loved everything about Wildstar, from the humor to the gameplay. The housing was second to none, and hanging out in a train station made by a player was surreal.
If I had the money I'd invest in trying to resurrect it.
As someone who now mainly plays Guild Wars 2 after “quitting” WoW … I agree.
It is a fantastic game overall.
It's an amazing game that never got enough credit. I keep it installed and patch and just like he says I pick it up and playing it for like 3 months in 6 months off
Angry joe to his credit gave it a 10/10 in 2012 lmao
@@phillipfessenden7705 Critically acclaimed when it came out. The problem lies with its marketing, if you want to cringe look at their early attempts before they gave up.
Its good but i returned to wow eventually
@@artemesaulkov2010 yeah even with how shit blizzard is WOW is still my favorite and mainly only rpg I play. Thinking about expending to some different MMOs rn but ik I'll be right back on wow
Things I've learnt from playing many MMOs in past few years:
1. Different people enjoy different things. It's fine for other people to not like your favorite game. You can't force people to like it. Just grow up and accept it.
2. Ignore FOMO. They're there to pressure to keep playing it, even when you don't want too.
Just play whatever you enjoy the most and move on to new game when you're bored with it.
3. There is no right or wrong way in playing games. Take your time, google the quest, skip all story, do whatever you want as long as it doesn't ruin other people experience. If you don't someone say "you're playing it wrong", they're just an a**hole.
this, there isnt a corrent way to play a game, maybe and efficient way but the META way ot thinking ruins the fun, makes the experiences an actual job project that a fun gathering
The only "wrong" way to play is to actively choose to make other players' experience worse.
One thing I learned from playing a lot of MMOs (even classic retro ones) lately:
The story _you_ make, even when you don't know the best mechanics yet, is *far* more interesting than following a game meta.
Once you start listening to min-maxers, which is 99.9% of the population, you're playing _their_ game... _not_ yours.
Their game which they copy-pasted in all other MMOs
and definitely NOT your experience anymore.
@@shiningarmour6805 i can... discribe how much open i have my eyes now thanks to this comment holy waifus, thankyou good sir human person
The second and third point should be abreviated to final fantasy 14 community.
I started playing guild wars 2 this year and as someone who is a “hardcore casual”, as in I’ll spend a lot of time playing the game but often engaging in activities that would be considered pretty casual, it has to be the perfect mmo. It’s so easy to hop in and out, there’s tons of stuff to do, the end game isn’t just solely group content and it’s just fun to play in general.
For me I want an MMO that I can sink hours into at a time and spend my money on without feeling like I'm wasting time or money. Generally if the game is good this comes as a given but I've tried so many MMOs that just don't stick for me and its hard to filter through the hundreds of games that seem so similar at first glance.
I somehow always go back to my first love adventure quest 🤣those were they days there’s just an allure and weekly updates of course a bunch of classes and it’s not turn based it really is ahead of it’s time. Even compared to todays mmos in everything except graphics obviously.
Have you tried ffxiv?
The worst part about trying all the MMOs is slowly building up the perfect MMO in your head made of all the pieces of other MMOs you loved and knowing that no MMO will ever give you all of it. But on the plus side, it means that you're never bored.
Always love seeing a GW2 plug. Love how stress free it is as an MMO from the purchase side. It's why I'm that much more willing to spend money on the cash shop; I justify my purchases with "it's my way of showing I want this game to thrive and grow so here is how I help.". With subscription service games, you're already doing your part but with one time purchases (when you like it) it rests with you whether you want to pay in extra for extras and how much you want to pay based on how much appreciation you want to show. Guild Wars 2 doesn't try to take your money, it tries to earn your money. I respect that so much I'm more than happy to throw money towards such an end.
True! I spent so little on that game (10euros for the base game in 2015 and 15euros for PoF and HoT) that by when I got my Skyscale I purshased skins on the shop as I wanted them and wanted to throw some money at them
Bro even if that game had a subscription fee I would’ve paid for it back in the day. I spent a lot of time playing it and I genuinely loved the radiant quest system. And the way discovery gave you xp so when leveling a character you’re incentivized to keep moving through the map instead of sitting and grinding in one spot (although I do enjoy osrs for some mindless clicking)
In hindsight GW2 was destiny before destiny. A streamlined MMO that leans on amazing combat and high quality cinematic storytelling good writing or not. My days with GW2 are passed but its basically the only mmo ill ever even consider booting up just for the fun of it cuz well its really fun to play. Nothing will ever beat farming 99 CM nightmare every day for the cosmetic shards and ascended chests after abusing tarir and RIBA in silverwastes to get my first ascended set and infusions
How do you justify the "seasons" stories being locked off from players who joined the game late?
@@SkySweeperSyn Buy its cheap or convert your gold its pretty easy to get gold or wait until its free again? I never bought the season stories i just login whenever its active and i got it for free.
i honestly respect josh for this video even more than i did, you know its made by someone for passion for the genre and even tho i tried most of those games now i feel my own passion for the genre re-ignited and of the mind to try more or even give the old ones i tried another shot with a different approach and perspective.
you hit the nail on the head when people play for obsession. That's why I enjoyed games more 15 years ago. I remember logging on maplestory to get my mmo side scroller fix, then ragnarok for the 3d open world fix and cs and cf for fps fix. Never once had I thought to min max my gear or level or skill to be the best. People kind of forget the definition of fun when you chase rankings. And eventually it turns into grinding and daily quest grind, which frankly makes the game turn into a chore rather than fun
5:50 - HOLD UP! This is not the FINAL expansion! They mentioned this on a recent livestream :o
yeah, it's just newest upcoming! Can't wait for it :D
And it's not the only youtuber saying "final". Anet is really trying to say something, or isn't checking the video they pay for. xd
@@Lucyller They just kinda send mixed messages.
Probably not the best wording to say "This is the end of the dragon cycle" on their main web page. It sounds like it's the final expansion of GW2.
@@WeinerTouchy RuneScape with the Elder God Wars Dungeon, FFXIV with Endwalker, WoW with Eternity's End, and GW2 with End of Dragons are all ending their story arcs currently. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it isn't the end of the game.
@@WeinerTouchy in 9 days the story of ffxiv ends, and Yoshi P. stated the 1st update after is the start of a whole new story
Good chance Gw2 will do the same (Gw2 will not "end" any time soon, the devs are effectively players with access to the code)
I love Guild Wars 2 because I can play it for an hour a day and still make actual progress. No increasing level and gear cap means all content in the game and all progress I make stays relevant. I can just pick the content I like, be it map exploration, story, achievements, fashion, endgame group content, jumping puzzles, mount races, or whatever, do it at my own pace for as long as I like and never fear that I'm falling behind some arbitrary power curve. Could I grind my face off for thousands of hours to completely fill out my legendary armory and be the shiniest hero in all the land? Sure, but I don't have to, if I don't want to or don't have the time. And most importantly I don't need to in order to stay relevant in any part of the game.
I do love how they included HoT mastery stuff in the new living world zones. Although it is a bit silly to have a bounding mushroom in the snowy mountains 😂
Encourages but doesn't FORCE me to go back to HoT zones. Ofc I still have all my mounts, springer and dragon included, so bounding mushroom mastery isnt necessary, but, occasionally, the mushroom is faster 🤷🏼♀️
what i dont like is that he got paid for it and only tells the positive stuff about the game because ... he is not allowed to say bad things. what about the forced PvP in this game, where a guild can declare war for absolutely no reason on a way weaker guild and the weaker guild has ofcourse no chance and they getting PvP farmed EVERYWHERE! why is he not telling the bad aspects of the game? well the answer is easy... he got paid. i have overall nothing against GW2 but getting paid to say only the good things and not mentitioning bad aspects of the game is horrible. edit; he did that with FF14 too, he said the free trial is up to level 60 not restricted. that is NOT true. your max gil is restricted to 200k, you cant add friends, you cant join free companys and you cant create a party. you can only get invited to a party in the free trial ... and that says a FF14 player which has according to steam 2400+ hours in it. he didnt told a few things on elder scrolls online either but meh ... the biggest thing which disturbs me is the paid thing on GW2 ...
@@curumon What are you talking about? There is NO forced PvP in GW2 at all. I think you're confusing it with another game (New World maybe?). The PvP in GW2 is entirely optional, and separate from the main part of the game -- you have to actively join it to participate.
@@curumon What the hell are you talking about? In pve, no guild can declare war on you. There's WvW, which is required for legendary gear, but is completely and totally seperate from PVE. There's is *NO* open world pvp. The closet to it is WvW, and that's a completely seperate game mode, and maps that you have to consiously choose to enter.
Fashion Wars is the best meta I've ever seen in an MMO XD
Late to the party, but I recently logged back in to Star Trek Online. While me and my friends used to joke about it being a terrible game on so many levels, we had lots of fun both following the well-structured story content as well as doing duel-style PvP and grinding marks in PvE. Might get back to playing it regularly, actually. Heck, with the ability to visit the interior of your ship I even briefly yielded to the allure of role playing with friends.
It definitely captured a lot of the charm of the shows up to 2001 and they somewhat competently cater to fans of the new stuff as well. Although the ground combat is about as interesting as TNG phaser shootouts, I'd say the space counterpart is quite engaging, with weapons having different tradeoffs (eg. more damage = narrower firing arc, so you need to keep your ship properly oriented to the enemies, broadsiding with beam arrays and keeping enemies front and center with cannons) and end-game skill usage requiring pianist-tier mastery of your keyboard. STO does sometimes toss a bunch of skills at you (not quite like AION, but stuff will appear sometimes randomly on your hot-bars or just on your skill list, forcing you to read it, think about giving it a place in your current routine and so on). On the subject of hot-bars, they should make double- or tripple-line one a default, seeing as there are already hotkeys for that and the default 10 slots will fill up too quickly.
Big thumbs up for monetization not being overly on the nose, although prices of the premium currency (when exchanging another in-game, grindable currency) have been maxed out for months, if not years. Top tier builds do require items (ships/weapons/upgrades/etc) only available in the premium shop, limited-time events or guild-accessible shops but once again - the premium currency is available to grind and they recently introduced a system allowing the purchase of items from past events (where previously even recurring events yielded unique grand rewards every time, so skipping meant missing out).
Right now Steam player count seems to orbit 1300, so I'd say it's doing well for itself.
Found your channel recently, you do a great job in your vids :D I've gotten burnt out on World of Warcraft recently. Thanks to this one and others, I've been giving Guild Wars 2 a shot, and have been enjoying it greatly. Just leveling is fun, going around and doing content doesn't feel grindy.
You know he played everquest when he says you stop after PoP. Made me laugh out loud.
PoP messed up the economy.
I stopped when the expansion came out raising the level from 65 to 70. I literally logged in, killed one thing in plane of innovation solo on my magician, dinged level 66, logged out and cancelled my subscription. The raiding in PoP was pretty damn fun though.
Planes of Power was awesome. After PoP was less awesome.
same! I snorted soda hearing that.
Lmao
GW2 is still my favorite, I love that it can be played somewhat casually since there isn't a constant gear treadmill.
Until you challenge yourself to have one or several legendaries ... working on my second one after 8 years playing off and on again.
GW2 without question. Off the top of my head I have played, for varying lengths of time:
1. WoW
2. Aion
3. SkyForge
4. Wizard 101
5. SWTOR
6. OSRS
7. Secret World Legends
8. Tera
9. Elsword
10. Warframe
11. AQ Worlds
12. Guild Wars 2
Of those dozen, and arguably a few more, only SWTOR and GW2 have me continue to come back. SWTOR I can't recommend though because the only reason I'm coming back to it is for the story, and I'm a Star Wars fan. GW2, on the other hand, is worth your time and money and then some! Leveling is fun, exploring the world is fun, world events are fun, crafting is fun, fun fun and more fun! This, and the fact that it respects your time and money, has earned my loyalty several times over. I can safely drop the game for months if not years, and have done so, and returned to the game without missing a beat.
I could gush out an entire master's thesis on why I believe GW2 is such a wonderful gem of an MMO, but to summarize and oversimplify I will argue that is, without question, the best jack-of-all trades mmo on the market. It does everything any other mmo you can find does. Perhaps it doesn't do them quite as well, but virtually any system or mechanic you can find in any other mmo you can find in GW2, and executed unquestionably competently. Not only that, but all of these myriad activities are valid avenues to progression, e.g. all reward experience. I brought my main from level 40 to max level (80) just by maxing out a crafting discipline!
In almost every other MMO on that list I wrote, in my opinion they all tend to specialize. WoW prioritized its end-game, SWTOR and Secret World Legends prioritize their stories and over-arching narratives, OSRS prioritizes its economy and quests, Elsword, Tera, and Warframe prioritize their combat, etc. GW2, if it could be said to have a specialty, would specialize in the MMO as an art form.
I've never actually thought of approaching mmorpg's like this. Just sampling them and sticking with them as long as they're fun, and playing another one when it gets boring. Makes sense when you compared mmo's to other media. Thanks!
I wasnt a fan of Gw2 years ago but about 2 weeks ago I decided to gi it a try again. As some one who isnt the biggest fan of the mmo type i found my self loving the story and combat. I am glad i gave it another shot.
Welcome to the game!
welp you sold me on it
Wait till you get to the "end" game gear grind, LOL Yall just listen to people telling you the positives. GG when you realize what you have to do
@@jonathansoko1085 That's how every MMO ever is lol. Don't try to bring down GW2 with something so dumb, game is great.
@@jonathansoko1085 I'm sure there is plenty to enjoy for dozens of hours before "end game" which makes it worth playing
Well, you convinced me to give Guild Wars 2 a try. Sounds like the best parts of RPG games I enjoy, and I've always wanted to find an MMO to enjoy.
After 1 and a half year and after trying all the most popular MMOs, I can say you that Gw2 is the best one, by far. The combat, the landscaping, the fashion, the lore and the creativity and effort to do a different MMO is just fantastic.
God I’ve tried to get into GW2 for years and each time I get so mind numbingly bored before level 20
Recently I started playing guild wars 2 and I'm glad I did. It's an amazing MMO, the game has so many things to do. It's my favorite MMO.
@@michealvincent731 the vanilla story is "not good". So that's understandable. The story from living world season 2 onward is why my partner and I have spent the past 800+ hours of our lives on it.
If you like it, let me know your in game name or "name.####", I'll send you some starter gear (bags, consumables, etc)
This is an awesome perspective! This is the first of your videos that I've seen, and I can tell as a fellow MMO fan you truly get it.
Like the different foods we eat, and other entertainment we enjoy, the most beautiful thing about MMOs are the variety they offer.
Thank you for this video
for serious content this is my go to channel, thank you sir a combination of documentary and comedy...
love your work.
never a bad time for these vids
I recently started Guild Wars 2 again after quitting in HOT, and I haven't regretted it. It's so fun.
Not sure what 'HOT' means, but I'm glad you're having fun. I've watched a lot of GW2 recently and it seems fun, maybe I'll try it out if I ever get bored of 'RS3'.
@@Thelaretus Heart of Thorns, back when it released in like 2014 :D It's the first expansion for GW2
@@HekimaPlays Thanks!
I quit GW2 at HoT and just never came back
I love GW2 and believe it is the best MMO I have played for some of the reasons you mention. I quit playing ages ago because I didn't have any friends in-game and I feel that is key to being able to stick to any MMO. But even the solo content is so good that one can sink hundreds of hours into this one no matter what.
Keeping variety in your mmo is the best advice I've heard from the mmo community. I often play 3-4 different mmo games in a month. Currently playing everquest (f2p now, a little predatory cash shop but not the worst I've seen), wow: ascension (classless wow private server with a rather large playerbase), starwars galaxies (private server, f2p, no cash shop), and currently reinstalling repopulation (b2p, no cash shop, alpha swg-ish mmo). I honestly cant argue with any of the picks mentioned in the video either. Variety IS the spice of life, virtual or otherwise.
Mabinogi was my first MMO and I played back when it was still new to North America in like 2008-2010. I was one of the top players on the North American servers just because I loved it so much I played all the time. And even when I had reached end game and there was nothing really new to do before the new continent was released, I still loved playing so much I ran around finding newbies who needed help or people who needed party members for quests, dungeons didn't get stale no matter how many times I ran them because difficulty changed depending on the item you dropped to enter, they were somewhat randomized for which mobs you got, and the quest versions were always interesting. I'd legit sit at the entrance stone for a single dungeon all day just going in and out with various groups that needed another party member. Then life got in the way and I fell off it. I tried going back to it a few years ago but it had changed a lot. I don't think it's a bad MMO now or anything it just wasn't what I wanted anymore and there was the frustration of all the bits I loved from the old days being changed in a way I no longer enjoyed.
All the difficulties got moved around, so the dungeons that in my day were something only the top players could get through solo and even then it was a real challenge were now like, newbie dungeons. Becoming a Paladin or Dark Knight which was more end game and something you wore as a badge of honor was like, almost immediately available to do. Champions (Maxed Paladin) and Infra Blacks (Maxed Dark Knights) were so rare because it took a lot of time and skill to get there. I hit Infra Black and it was entirely possible for me to play all day on a packed server and *maybe* see one or two others. There were just tutorials telling you the best way to kill every enemy and then let you practice it so you never had to learn in any actual danger. Part of the fun for me was figuring things out for myself or from learning from other players when I went questing with them. Be it combos, which blacksmiths were the best, which tailors to go to for which clothing items, etc. Now I just take some tutorials in the beginner village and I've got it all laid out for me.
If someone wants a more casual MMO with lovely graphics that (even at the time I tried to go back at least) was free to play and did not try to force feed the cash shop to you or lock any aspect away behind paywalls, and doesn't have the nostalgia factor coming into play I think they'd enjoy it but I chose to quit and will keep Old Mabinogi in my heart
Guild wars 2 and FF14 are my current games I spend time with. But I've been trying every mmo I could get my hands on since 2006 haha.
Ditto. I tried to like ESO, but I could not get past the animations. FFXIV is a masterpiece, and GW2 is not far behind, if at all.
same for me. Love how both games complement each other. love FFXIV for its instanced content while GW2 still has the best open world content to date.
I hate gw2 progression, i hate hte lack of questing as in other games, i hate its ridiculous legendary and ascended gear grind (dont even tell me its not long and bad, it is once you are in it) and its a shame its called guild wars 2, since 1 is that much better and 2 is nothing like it. Oh and the way they release content is literal aids.
GW2 has way too much god damned bloom and gives me a headache.
Have you tried RuneScape proper (unofficially 'RS3')?
When I gave ESO a second chance, I found that it recaptured my love for the elder scrolls, my favorite fantasy series from my teen years. Every time I boot it back up, it’s like a nostalgia trip. Plus; the ocean of content keeps it fresh.
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I'm currently stuck at ESO, too. It took me 3 tries tho. But now I'm at 1100 hours of playtime :D
I liked ESO, however -- having to pay for ESO plus to use the crafting bag to be able to do any time of consumable farming keeps turning me off from it.
I wish I liked ESO. I tried very hard to, I love morrowind and all the mainline tes titles. I was off put by the scaling, and everything feeling very floaty. I didn't like the idea of a "spammable" and I found the builds confusing and strange. I ended up doing the morrowind story and then just... well, giving up and that was it.
Ah man the VA work though. Suddenly hearing Tara Strong, suddenly hearing jennifer hale! the only thing i wish about elder scrolls was that open world world enemies took more than just 2-3 hits each to take down.
I needed to hear this. I play Old School Runescape and I absolutely love the grind. Reaching a certain level in one skill to unlock another training method for that skill is so exciting to me! But that doesn't mean the grind doesn't get heavy sometimes. There are some grinds (like the ironman crafting grind) that can be VERY mind numbing, and I literally needed to be told that it was okay to take a break from OSRS and play something else. I kept looking for other games, just not MMO's because it honestly scared me that I might be pulled away from OSRS and never go back...but I know deep down that I'll always be back. I love the grind too much. I'm gonna go try FF14 now. Thanks for saving my love for MMORPG's, Josh. Really.
OSRS and even RS3 to some extent are definitely the types of MMOs for people who enjoy number oriented progression and specifically actually enjoy the process of grinding, even to a more extreme degree. It also scratches that crafting system itch that some people like me have in a really good way, because nearly everything in the game is based around crafting and having good enough skills overall to make the item. And while I personally can't play F2P on OSRS anymore because I'm too used to having all the conveniences and content access that P2P provides, it's actually genuinely one of the most customer friendly content rich free experiences you can find in an MMO. It also only costs a flat monthly fee for membership, and that's the only thing paid in the game besides bonds (OSRS anyway), which are also just 14 day membership packages that you can actually buy with in game gold as well, and can be traded with players.
And if you like playing an MMO experience with other people, but prefer to still do most of the content solo, OSRS is also fantastic for that. I'd say about 75-85% of the game is actually doable alone and the other 25-15% requires other players.
IM MAXED ON RUNESCAPE BABY
If you like that aspect of osrs you'd probably like eve online 😊
much respect bro. greatly appreciate your objectivity. never thought about games like that.
_"it implies you can only play one at a time"_
People with lives and jobs: well, yea..
u cant have life and play mmos chose one or another
As someone who plays both Guild Wars 2 and Final Fantasy 14, both games are amazing in their own right.
Guild Wars 2 hits all the right notes for me. The fact that it is horizontal progression means I can take long breaks without losing progression. While the story isn't anything to write home about, it is fairly decent for an MMO. It still has one of the most unique mount systems in any game with each mount doing something unique to it. The game is designed for and rewards cooperation. This fosters a good community that helps each other instead of being at one another's throats.
Final Fantasy 14 is by far one of the best story driven games I have ever played and it has some of the best writing for a Final Fantasy game. Although A Realm Reborn starts rough, Heavensward is one of the best expansions for an MMO and somehow Shadowbringers tops even that. There is so much to experience in FF14 and the community is some of the friendliest in the genre.
The good thing is that you can play both :)
@@doodoofish Totally agree. As someone who has played many, many MMOs from SWTOR to FF14 to ESO, I can say that I've enjoyed my time with GW2 and FF14 the most. SWTOR definitely gives FF14 a run for its money with its storylines, some of which are so incredibly varied like the Imperial Agent, which is a major credit to Bioware's writing team.
Of course everyone's choices differs depending on what they enjoy and what works for me may not work for others. Having options to choose from is more important than choosing and sticking with just one MMO. This goes for any game.
small question about GW2
I noticed there's aiming in, is there an option to not have to do that? im not a huge fan of 3rd person shooters so a lock on would be nice for my preference if im to play ranged.
The community in 14 is the friendliest?
Man. That's bull and you know it. But maybe that's just the American servers; absolutely not friendly community. And American GMs suck too.
@@Clavitz1 By default, GW2 is tab target, much like WoW’s targeting system - tab to select opponents. The action camera is a feature you have to turn on, which made GW2 more like an action combat game, but you don’t have to use it.
What a amazing video this is You can seriously see the love put into this.
I love the way you write your script, i love how your talk is smooth and eloquent, and I really find this video useful, which I'm surprised because it's much more complex undertake on the topic then just saying play something play just what you like.
(Not-a-native)
GW2 100%! The game is just amazing with so many different layers to enjoy. I tried pretty much every major MMO out there + a lot of smaller ones and GW2, in my opinion, is the most complete MMO on the market as of now. The fact that it doesn't use the prehistoric subscription model is a nice bonus :)
I remember playing ESO at launch and my wife hearing Michael Gambons voice when she walked past my office. She asked if I was watching Harry Potter without her . Game is phenomenal if you want to just go into a world and explore.
That's exactly what I'm doing and I adore the experience. It's very immersive if you let yourself be drawn in by it without thinking of the usual grindy stuff.
A ton of content in ESO. Combat is a little boring imo. But that's an issue in many MMOs.
@@carbonstar9091 It's a matter of opinion. I really like the combat, being able to move around, dodge, defend yourself from attacks, having basic attacks with staff like lightning, fireballs, or iceballs. Healing is a very cool experience, you need to aim your allies and heal, it's very funny.
I loved your intro! my Channel focuses on Tolkien and a lot in the MMO LOTRO where I do Voice overs and Guides. also, LOTRO is a Great game with a wonderful community and so much more. I also love the games you showed! I have played them all so Awesome! but again, Each person is going to like different MMO's Your intro to this video was so well done. It already made me like your channel! Wonderful to see another MMO player who just loves all MMO's! I have played a good chunk of other MMO's too. I agree you got to find something fun in each one! Look at the Goods and the bad. So many focus on just what is bad. I think it's a bad mindset really. find a game you love and play it! look for the good in games too! :D keep it up! I agree with you! Also, Looking at it as a Hobby Vs Job. loved that made me laugh and agree. also, I agree there is no perfect MMO. your Ending was fantastic too.
normally a video title like this would have me apprehensive about watching
but with this channel I was confident it would be quality, and this certainly did not disappoint
i haven't played any mmo's in damn near a decade
but i love these videos and this one especially has me thinking a lot more about my relationship with mmo's
and got me thinking that i may give some of them another go with a better perspective
I quit WoW a few months ago, probably dont have to say why. I found my home in Lost Ark, the game has literally everything I want from an MMO, I know some people dont like the camera angle, but what this game is capable of showing because of that is truly special, especially in the raids. GW2 is also one that I come back to every now and then, the fact that I dont have to do anything at all and I can just PvP from lvl 2 or something is wonderful for me.
I could deal with the camera angel if I didn't have to use my mouse to move constantly.
Legit the only thing holding me back from that masterclass of a game.
I really want to play that game. I wish I had a pc strong enough to play Lost Ark. It legit looks awesome.
Is that game out already? I was under the assumption that they've only been doing closed tests
@@ferretrayn1903 it's on closed beta for NA and Western servers. It'd been out in S. Korea for a couple of years now.
GW2 is designed to be played along with other games, although the developer didn't officially say that, but we know ;) I see many people play GW2 with FF14, GW2 with ESO, even GW2 with Genshin Impact.
I’d like to think that this entire video was made specifically to NOT recommend World of Warcraft.
And I loved it
He'd literally sooner recommend Mortal Online 2.
WoW is an amazing game I, as an 'RS3' player, really admire, but it's definitely not something you should be getting into right now. Maybe after a couple expansions.
Lmao yea, noticed that too. It doesn't deserve to be on the list in it's current state. I feel like he maybe could have mentioned that WoW (even now) has the best raid content, but the only way you are allowed to partake is if you make the game a second job.
wow, it took your comment to remind me that WoW exists
If you like wow, just play it, wow at its core is still a decent game regardless of how emotional people are about other things. Especially tbc and classic, therse alot of fun to be had and the fact is, its still a good game and i dont care about how you emotionally feel about the company im just talking the game
I've been somewhat stuck on MMOs since I started playing WoW in 2005 and I came back to this video after I watched it shortly after release. The final message is so important. Approach MMOs like you approach other cultures. This has opened up the whole genre for me. Looking into games I'd otherwise not play, having multiple MMOs installed just because I don't consider my "main MMO" the only game I play. It also got me off of "the most popular" MMO (globally or within my social bubble). I managed to get away from WoW because I really liked FFXIV but just how I started to think "I can just play WoW instead of this" when I played other MMOs, I started to think "I can just play FFXIV instead of this" but I neither have the drive nor the time to really get into the vertical progression gear treadmill.
Great video, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
After years of trying MMOs and getting bored around lvl 20-30, I’ve realized they just aren’t my thing. But this channel? This channel is my thing. I feel that I can experience the best any MMO has to offer through your thoughtful and comedic content.
You need to play an mmo that doesnt force grinding upon you. Doesnt force you to go through some bland story that spans countless thousands of hours just to unlock content. Unfortunately that would be most peoples first impression of mmos given how those types are always the first to be thrust upon people. There are, albeit only a few, casual mmo's out there, that actually let you play your way. That dont force anything upon you, nor force you to keep playing for fear of missing out. You need to play something, if not an mmo, just something, that doesnt constantly demand your attention. Its easy to get burnt out on an mmo if that mmo insist you keep playing for daily rewards or the like. I've been there. But I have found enjoyment in ones that doont do that. That let yu play how you want to play. I hope you find something you can enjoy. If not an mmo, just something, you can enjoy either by yourself or with your friends.
No no, you are likely into mmos.
Its just *literally* all of them nowadays are dogshit. If you played in the 2000-2012 era, you would have at least had a chance to play a few actual good ones. Sadly GW2 was probably the last objectively good mmo to launch...ever.
Literally everything else after has been straight up DoA (Bless/Elyon), Killed itself (Archeage/Wildstar), a Scam (literally all kickstarter mmos), or is extremely niche (BDO).
Genre is dead.
@@MMOStein I played WoW in 2005. Lost interest at about level 40. Felt like a virtual homework to me. And I had enough homework as it was.
It’s the fundamental get 15 of this, kill 40 of that, run this dungeon 20 times gameplay that is inherent to all MMOs that bores me. That and the bogged down lore that I couldn’t care less about.
Lost a few friends to the game as well. When they started playing, they stopped hanging out or doing anything else. I tried hard to get into it with them. But I couldn’t really comprehend the appeal.
I like games that require immediate attention and reflexes, that do not take homework to get to the challenge. And that do not require complete devotion to get anywhere. Just not hardcore like that.
@@pkre707 its not inherent to all mmo's. Just most of them. Theres a small handful of niche casual mmo's that are quite brilliant but dont get the love or support they need bc they are burried underneath mountains of bullshit. The only reason FFXIV is big, at all is because it has a AAA studio behind it. These others do not and therefore are just generally cast aside. FFXIV is a great game. And it deserves all the love and support it gets. But so are these other niche titles that almost no one knows exist. Hell, if FFXIV wasnt tied to a jrpg franchise spanning decades I doubt anyone would even know about it. save for a niche crowd of gamers. Mabinogi, is a great example. Amazing mmo out of Korea. You can do anything, and be anything on one character. it has a fantastic story, tons of customizations. And its a pretty casual mmo overall. But not many people actually know about it save for a niche audience. Its burried under you're BDO's, your Grand Fantasias, your generally shitty mmo's because they have perhaps the biggest marketing. Casual mmo's. casual games in general, dont really have a voice when a majority of gamers are the hardcore gamers who look down on people who play the more laid back titles. But they do exist. You just have to dig for them.
@@pkre707 you might wanna give GW2 a try then you get xp for literally everything you do in that game, explore new area? XP kill a monster XP craft a thing XP + you get loads of so called tomes of knowledge that give one level to your character instantly chances are your third character can be leveled to full just by using those, most major events consist of bunch of smaller ones each granting you XP meaning you can sometimes get multiple levels just from participating in one of those
Guild wars 2 has a feature that no other MMO can even come close to touching: traversal. It is so much more fun to explore the GW2 world than any other mmo world I can think of.
The mount system is _unmatched_
The only one that come close in Sword of legends, with the triple jump and water-running making you feel like in a xianxia movie. The fluidity is incredible, jumping from roof to another
I have resisted the Guild Wars 2 since 2012, and it seems your comment here has finally done it @Michael Cowan Installing now. I will find you if you're wrong. Some how. Some way. I will find you. ;-p
I mean it in the best way possible that exploring and collecting Vistas and such in GW2 feels like playing a PS2 platformer.
@@AgentM3tallion haha just take it slow and learn the systems one at a time. If you buy level boost, you should boost a character you may want to play one day, start the path of fire story and play it until you get the raptor mount. Then you create the character you actually want to play and you get the mount on that new lvl 1 character immediately. Play through the world the first time, if you boost immediately you will be super lost.
the way you talked about risks of making a game your personality was a massive eye opener for the way ive acted a lot. wow
ESO gets my vote for MMO you should play. It has so much content and you can choose to do any of it whenever you want. The casual experience is incredible and it does have a challenging endgame if you want it. The biggest downside is most endgame builds need a lot of grinding the secondary guilds to unlock skills, which usually boils down to downloading an addon to tell you where all the lore books are.
What exactly is endgame in ESO? I see it referenced or brought up a lot.. I've started playing recently and have no idea what it is. I've tried asking a few guildies but they can't seem to tell me or explain it. Google is no help, either.
GW2 -- the best value for sure. Over the years, GW2 accumulated so many content. Even if you just play the solo content, it will still be worthy to get the game. The core game is free. No sub. Expansion is coming next Feb. Best time to pick it up now.
What content exactly? Thing has been underwhelming from day one
@@waking00one Two expansions and several seasons of living stories introduced a lot of new content even if you play solo. For group-content players, raids, strike missions, fractals, open-world bosses are also introduced over these years. For build tinkers, you have 9 classes with 18 elite specializations (think them as sub classes), and 27 when the new expansion comes out Feb 2022. A lot of build varieties for theorycrafters. And did I mention mounts? One of the best mount systems in MMOs. And a very friendly community. All those for a relatively low price. I can't complain.
As a GW1 player, I preordered it and played day 1. It was fun for a short while, but I inevitably got bored with it very quickly.
@@TheRockMouse It is certainly not for everyone. I also played GW1, but it is GW2 that hooked me after trying Rift, Wildstar, and FF14. The good thing now is that players can try the GW2 core game for free, and draw their own conclusions. I'd say GW2's early leveling is a bit slow. I constantly switch to different maps to make things more interesting. Yes, you can change your starting map very early in this game.
@@doodoofish I know that bit. I got pretty far early on. I know that a lot of the GW2 players hold a different sentiment than myself, but I greatly missed the pvp of GW1, which was the absolute best part of it for me. Without it? I was initially interested in the lore only for the story to go downhill. The way they handle mounts is interesting at least, and I can appreciate the sheer amount of jump puzzles. Though, when I watched some GW2 youtubers, they said raiding was not so easy to get into, which was unfortunate. Overall, I have this love hate feeling towards the game. It's something I was greatly interested in, but was clearly not made for me.
Every time I try to play a new MMO, I’m reminded just how great of an MMO that GW2 actually is.
I really enjoy SWTOR too though. They’re both such great games.
GW2 will scratch that open world Zerg, world boss, large scale group pve content that’s missing from so many MMO’s.
SWTOR is still, in my opinion, the best story driven MMO out there. Each class has their own individually catered story that is completely voice acted all the way through
YES! Swtor! the amazing multiple story lines and immense voice acting alone make it awesome.!
I know what you mean whenever other mmos add "new" types of content I always think to myself gw2 has had this forever.
SWTOR is the one that does story the best from a party perspective. Most other story-based ones will have you solo talking to NPCs during quests/cutscenes, and might even lead to you choosing different paths than your party members (happens often in ESO). But SWTOR's party chat / roll system really makes it feel like you're playing together. I wish other story-based MMOs would copy that feature.
"I didn't even break a sweat."
YEH GW2 GIT DAT DRAGON
I have played runescape on and off for 15 years. I still love it. They keep making bosses and new versions of skilling and fighting. Both RS3 and OSRS are always going to be my favorite games for the rest of my life!
I've spent the past day binge-watching a good chunk of your videos; your Worst MMO Ever? series has me captivated, and it's been very fun to listen to you talking about these games that're a mix of ones I tried and didn't like, come back to every now and then out of nostalgia, and ones that I've not even heard of before. I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts about MMOs in general and how to approach them, and it's given me a full course meal of food for thought.
But I do have one question, maybe one that'll sound dumb, but one I feel compelled to ask all the same: What about WoW? Did it not make your list because you dislike the game itself? Because of the company behind it? Because of the community? WoW has been the most consistently enjoyable game for me; I've been playing it for roughly 16 years, and while I've played an enjoyed a good number of different MMOs, nothing has yet to replace WoW for me.
GW2 is more about enjoying the journey than the reward (except for legendary gear maybe). And the community is great at helping other player most of the time. You need a hero point but it's a champion and can't solo it ? Ask for help in map, you always got few people coming helping you. It's not for everyone, but definitely one of the best MMO experience I've ever had.
I used to play GW2 a little some time back when I was on the hunt for THE MMO. I liked it but not enough to continue it. I realize now that I was going in with the wrong mindset. I was searching for the ULTIMATE MMO that has everything I wanted instead of looking at what the game has that I would enjoy. It also didn't help that at the time I just didn't enjoy tab targeting combat. Since then I've played A BUNCH of FFXIV, completed shadow bringers and really enjoyed the game ALOT. That made me change my view on how I should approach games (I used to skip stories in ARR because i wasn't a reading dialogue guy) and set my expectations. This video makes me wanna go back to GW2 with my new mindset and a fresh experience to try it out again.
You made a very good point in this video, really appreciate this man
I spent so much time playing Guild Wars 2 over the years. When Heart of Thorns dropped I came back, played a bunch of the new content, and eventually stepped back again after scratching that itch. Might be time to check out the final expansion.
I recently left WoW and have started playing GW2 again. I tried it a few years back but couldn't quite get into it, but that's not the games fault. That's my fault because I was so hardcore into WoW that nothing else at the time could compare. I'm trying to get out of that mentality and having a different approach to GW2 since I know it's not a typical mmo. But I'm having a lot of fun with it and am going through LW4 right now (I just finished the Path of Fire main story).
Welcome to the game!
@@DanieliusGoriunovas thank you so much. It really is a great game to play.
Same exact situation here! Once I stopped thinking of all the ways GW2 wasn't like WoW, I enjoyed all the ways it was its own unique and fun thing. The moment to moment gameplay and storylines are just so much fun to experience, and the pricing model is unmatched. Glad to see more newbies like me lol
@@LoganFreund I'm glad I'm not the only one. I love the fact that with GW2 in order to get legendary sets and mounts you have either quest lines to do or achievements and not just paying gold for it all. It's definitely a game that will keep you busy.
@@LoganFreund welcome to you both! As you both alluded, and as I have told many friends that see how much I love GW2 and want to try it, is it almost becomes a mantra for me that GW2 is not WoW, and does just about everything differntly. If you spend time trying to 'find the equlivant' from WoW, you are going to waste a lot of time not really getting it. 😅
I've tried a bunch of MMOs and had fun with them but I've only gotten really invested in GW2.
I love that game so much. Sometimes I get really into it and play it alot. Sometimes I take a break from it. But I always come back to it.
Of course it does have issues though. One of the biggest problems in my opinion is that the game can be confusing for new players. Both MMO veterans and noobs have so much to learn and the game doesn't really explain it all. Like just the idea of what you should be doing after reaching max level. The fact is that you can do pretty much whatever you want and there are tons of things you can do.
It's one of the best things about GW2, but noobs and players of other MMOs may have a hard time adjusting to the horisontal progression where you just explore what you can do and do what is fun to you. GW2 requires a certain mindset compared to other MMOs. If you can get into that mindset there is SO much to enjoy.
I love this! I’m the type that definitely try’s playing whatever MMO I’m playing at the time like it’s my job. But recently I’ve started trying to play more then one at a time and just enjoy them. Great video and I couldn’t say it better myself!
Asherons Call 2024 is playable now. Privste servers with additional content and the full end of retail gsme.
Drunkenfell gives plsyers starting beer mug.
Other servers let you start with max lvl toons.
Most servers give an option to create Mules, max level for crafting & holding items.
One thing I feel that needs to be pointed out: Josh talks about the importance of not committing to an MMO to seriously, avoid making it your job... however a major aspect of MMOs are guilds, free companies, clans, whatever. And running a guild in an MMO either as Leader or Officer can take some serious commitment, be it organising raid schedules or social events or even just making sure every member is vetted properly and potential drama is resolved (for even vetted people can start drama). 1:20 Josh talks about loving the idea of playing with other people. But the way communities build nowadays, unless you have less than a dozen people to maintain (and even then... some of my d&d groups... smh), it takes commitment... and it's often a thankless role. So if you play an MMO, and join a community... give the people running them your thanks. If you really find yourself loving an MMO and your community, get involved. Sharing the burden makes it less (for the lack of a better word) work for everyone, allowing everyone to have more leisure to enjoy the game that brings you together.
I knew a guy who had several accounts of the same game with every character slot filled. He did the same thing day after day for years. I've lost contact but I am wondering if he's still going...
He's not saying "dont commit"... he's saying "dont go full retard". There is a difference. The later leads to obsession and quite an unhealthy view on trying new things. I had friends who dedicated all they were to one game and they were not fun people to be around. Eventually their world crashed around them when they either stopped being good at that game or the game itself became shit...going so far as to evaluate their own worth based solely on their performance in that one game.
You are right in saying that a lot of things in MMOs are not done without commitment of various degrees...and commiting to that degree is more than fine, >as long as you enjoy it
I have quit about every mmo I ever joined a guild in. I don't know why it's weird as soon as I join a guild I'm done.
Another thing that's pretty great about Final Fantasy XIV is that it allows you to play old content (dungeons, trials, raids, etc) at any level. You will simply be scaled down to the content's intended level. This way, dungeons and raids from past expansions don't die out.
gw2 is also like this but for all content in the game thanks to horizontal progression
I remember reading somewhere that vanilla FF14 had some sort of ultimate weapons, each with huge quest lines. Is that true, and would it be worth experiencing the quest lines today?
GW2 does the exact same thing + the game is designed with a full horizontal progression system. This ensure that NO content (even from vanilla) is lost in time. All content is repeatable and still makes it worth your while.
@@Outmind01 That would be the relic weapons. They do them every expansion with the final stage being the absolute best weapon you can get in the expansion (same ilevel as the last tier of savage weapons, but you can customise the stats to your liking so it edges over the savage ones), but there's typically a long grind to do it. The ARR ones are probably the clunkiest because they have several stages based on RNG, in particular the infamous books stage that requires you to complete specific FATEs and leves, but nowadays the only reason to do it (and the HW, StB and soon ShB relics) is if you want them for glamour purposes. If you want an impressive shiny weapon, then definitely, otherwise the questlines themselves don't really tend to have much special to them (the exception to this is doing Bozja for the ShB relics because the Bozja story is written by Matsuno of FF Tactics/FFXII fame and it's a pretty good story).
@@Outmind01 It's not just a huge questline, it's always a huge grinding. The first one (lvl50) - no - I wouldn't recommend that. The second - just if you desperately want the pet you'll get at the end. Eureka (lvl70) and the current one - Bozja - are different because you can grab a lot of stuff on your way. Pets, mounts, hairstyles, emotes etc.
In the past I really looked forward to what the future would hold for the MMO genre. Here i am still playing OSRS
This is the first video of yours I've ever seen... but this was hands-down THE MOST HELPFUL when I ask myself this question!! Thank you so much for your perspective on things! Really made me think!
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GW2 is the only MMO I started then immediately binged the main quest line. I skipped all dialog and I had so much fun. Getting a griffon was so damn satisfying.
Once you unlock the griffon it's basically "how did I live without this?!"
Makes sense since the writing is dire
U get a griffon just from playing the story?
@@SuttonSantiniPaulo No, but finishing the Path of Fire story is the first step to unlocking it. There is also a 250 gold investment to complete the collections.
Heh, I felt that when I unlocked my chocobo mount in FF14.
I would definitely recommend GuildWars 2 to anyone wanting to get into MMOs, the game is amazing and it gives you freedom to choose the content you want to progress with. You make gold by literally doing any content and even if you decide to take a break and comeback after a month or two, you will NEVER be behind.
The ascended gear grind tho, the timegates... do not even start me on the Skyscale grind...
I agree, great game. Got a good 1500 hours out of GW2 before i kinda burned out grinding legendaries (my fault, not the games). And it only cost me 30 euros, money well spent imo
@@Zerot2009 Those are genuinely not that bad.. You can get full sets of ascended gear in all game modes and can buy ascended trinkets with laurels (which are a daily log in reward). This is even faster with maxed crafting, which doesn't take to long if you follow a guide
I'll admit the Skyscale does take a while but I was doing WvW and PvP in the downtime, were I couldn't mount it anyways xD
@@Zerot2009 What are you talking about? Ascended is only 5% better than gear you can literaly buy off auction house in couple hours... And ascended doesnt even have timegates... Ascended gear is not even needed for the 90% of the game - you can perrfectly even raid withtout it... :)
@@Zerot2009 The beauty in this design is that you don't need Ascended gear because it's only marginally better than Exotic, which is very easy to obtain. Skyscale is a bigger quality of life increase, but there isn't much you can't do without it. These are long term goals that we work on and feel like we're improving our characters. And the investment of time feels worth it, because there's no item level increase to make that work obsolete, which means you only ever have to grind it once and you're set forever. They release new stat combos now and then, and if you need one of those for a build, you can stat swap your ascended pieces fairly inexpensively. Or it can be a new long term goal to work on.
While my main mmo is Star Wars Galaxies, I'm still an advocate of trying bunches of mmos. There are sooooo many out there, and many of them are still amazing.
This video has given me a lot to think about. I have been THAT GUY looking for an mmo to devote my time to for a long time. Trying so many MMORPGs that I can't even remember half their names. I think maybe it's time I start looking at them with a different approach like you suggested. I think I'm gunna try Guild Wars 2 again with a fresh attitude. Thanks. I needed this video.
How is it going?
End message is what I needed to hear. I think I'm going to be much less hesitant about trying new games, now that I realize I was the audience this video was targeted at (asking the wrong questions).
Thanks Josh, and thanks to my wife for introducing me to your channel.
He's right though. There's a number of factors that will influence your decision.
Not the least of which, a game you find boring, may be one that someone else LOVES! For me, I found FF14 boring, and Warframe to be VERY exciting and engaging.
Even something like being into Genres like Sci-Fi vs Fantasy can significantly change your opinion of a Game.
I love Gw2 so much. It makes me happy seeing other people enjoy it. I've never been a super hardcore player but its always been my go to game if I want to be able to hop back in without getting stuck behind a huge grind wall before I can actually have fun.
Yep I’ve just started playing it recently and am loving it
Horizontal progression instead of gear treadmill is a casual gamers dream.
I started playing that the other day...It's so good. Soule's music is superb in the game.
Game sucks, boring Casual asf everyone that plays it is annoying and recommends other people play it all the time.
@@mixes1228 Good thing you're staying out of the game with your toxicity then.
Thanks for this vidjer. It opened my eyes quite a bit
I don't know how I've not come across your channel before but I'm glad I did! Loved the video! Keep it up mate! 👍
I think Star Wars The Old Republic and Lord of the Rings Online both deserve consideration if you are interested in the content. The gameplay is somewhat dated but still enjoyable. And then of course there is Eve online - it is still extremely unique.
Yep played both at their launch, great games. LOTRO though, great world/imersion and what an awesome community that game had. SWTOR, loved my hybrid Jedi Guardian and the PvP.
@@kazielbonn Do people even play Lotro anymore? I know SWTOR is still played.
I love SWTOR, I still play from time to time when I need my Star Wars fix.
@@tannershuford6459 many still do but they copy so much of blizzards strategy that it's off putting. You can buy gear practically.
@@tannershuford6459 I still play it during the seasonal events. And every now and then in between
As someone who literally grew up with both GW2 and FF14 and with characters at both nearing a decade old I can’t express how lucky i am seeing these two games grow. I can’t wait for endwalker in a week and you can count me in EoD first day as well.
3:48 Fuck me, video games haven't even started to showcase and I already got my time's worth.
I think that the question "Which mmo should I play?" does have some well found roots. I love many different MMOs but several either feature or require a subscription fee and I personally don't want to be spending too much money for subs. Of course there are tons of free to play games out there, but the field is spearheaded by games like World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV, and others and its hard to choose where you want to spend your hard earned money.
There are free to play games as well. Warframe as mentioned. If you like WoW or FFXIV, you can try Rift. FFXIV and Rift are F2P until the latest expansion, I think...?
EDIT: Just remember that there is no such thing as completely free. You're gonna have to navigate around a cash shop regardless of what you choose.
I ended up getting into guild wars 2 after the blizzard rape allegations. I have no idea what I am doing but then again I am not the brightest bulb in the pack.
Not having a clue about anything is a normal MMO starting experience lol. Enjoy your cluelesness and discovery!
Welcome to the game! Feel free to whisper me ingame (debesyla.7102) if you will need any help or have any questions ;)
I felt like that when coming back after years away. ….Still feel like that at times a few months in….😅
Search for Mukluk's "A strong start" video. It packs information for beginners. Overall, Mukluk is a great GW2 content creator.
Ok- step 1 make thief
Step 2 daggers go brrr
Step 3 buy PoF and unlock deadeye
Now enjoy the best sniper experience outside a shooter
This is a joke, but seriously, Deadeye is my favourite class
Guild Wars 2 can really be fun, especially if you approach it from a mindset of a "new adventure".
I play GW2 a couple weeks after launch and I had ton of fun + a couple of friends joined in afterwards. I wasn't trying to rush to max lvl/endgame since my goal was to "enjoy" the adventure before me, and I think GW2 did a pretty decent job at that.
If you have a completionist streak in you, GW2 can be dangerous. Getting those 100% map completions in every zones ticks certain boxes. You know the ones I'm talking about.
@@slipknotpurity00 Oh yeah 100% Map completion...phew...that can get out of controll lol
That last sentence had me dying. I wasn't trying to reach max lvl or endgame stuff either, only trying to enjoy the adventure. Sadly, I maxed lvl so fast that the adventure didn't even start until after. All those people complaining about how they lvled so slowly had me cringing as I was trying NOT to lvl up so fast even though I was only casually playing it. In the end, I had to stop and think about what build I wanted to play for my character instead. Even now I can go on and find that there is still an adventure to be had. It isn't complete up to the game to make an adventure fun and exciting, it is the people you go on those adventures with that makes it an adventure.
My poison is FF14 but I've given up suggesting the game to people. For a long time I've only argued with people on Reddit about how good the game is and everyday there would be someone who appears and asks people to convince them to play FF14. After a time I came to the decision that people have eyes and hands and they can play the game themselves or watch reviews, but absolutely no one has the same brain as another person. Thus I began seeing my efforts as constantly leading horses to water but never able to make them drink. So nowadays I'm happy to discuss my memories of the game or show them something of the gameplay, but if they ask me whether they should play it I never ever make the decision for them. It's not my job to make people like the game.
Thanks for this video. I played FF14 for 2 years. I really enjoyed the story, but it became grindy and repetetive to me (leveling all jobs). Also realized my time is way to limited for high end raiding content. And the constant pressure to keep up with armor progression made me feel forced to play it at times to do daily quests that became tedious. Sometimes I did dailies and didn't have time left to do the stuff I wanted to do. I plan on returning when the story advances. But for now I quit.
So I did some single player ARPGs. Love me some Elden Ring and God of War. Those were a breath of fresh air. Now ik looking for a more fun ARPG kind of MMO.
I tried Guild Wars mainly for horizontal progression and not having the FoMo that I had in FF14. Also for the more action oriented ganeplay. I couldn't get into it yet. Didn't find the gameplay that enjoyable yet. But I am only level 20 so I will return to it.
I am a story and lore guy so you peeked my interest in ESO. Whilst other youtubers turned away from it (mostly cause of grind and playing it hard core) I think I'll enjoy the casual lore exploration. And top tier voice actors.
Black Desert really looks fun, but I can't accept the heavy monetization.
I haven't played Guild Wars 2 in years and despite my lack of recent experience, I fully agree with your assessment of it. It's an excellent game to just play and have fun with, emphasis on the word "game".
I'm especially a fan of the world vs. world combat, where three servers are lumped into several huge maps filled with PvP objectives. Running around in a train of 50+ players and attacking and defending keeps and castles is great fun to me. It's casual PvP done exceptionally well. Good on ArenaNet sponsoring this video, I might just give it another go.
I took a huge break for a while as well after Heart of thorns. But I’ve been back at it and enjoying it so much, simply because I’m getting into WVW. It feels like the perfect endgame for me since I love pve and pvp
@@InconnuGlitterBoy you can still pvp flipping camps killing defenders (usually 2-4 ppl)/killing whoever is scorting "yaks" (npcs who delivers supplies to the obecjtives) , or enemy scouts, but yeah, is mostly zerging because it's the "open pvp" mode, but there's also a pvp lobby, your level gets ajusted to the max for everyone to be "equal"
@@InconnuGlitterBoy clearly you haven’t played an organized zerg vs zerg with a commander on each side
New Expansion, End of Dragons is releasing in Feb 2022 and there are exciting new things on the horizon. Just in the last couple of months an influx of players have joined and it honestly feel very active with everyone joining in on the various content.
@@InconnuGlitterBoy you can also roam solo, it's perfectly viable. One player is enough to change the outcome of the siege - even if that person is just scouting what enemies do :)
As someone who grinded his way through Lineage 2 and then WOW, my heart now belongs to ESO. The relaxing journey, the amazing community and really fun quests and dungeons, it's all like a breath of fresh air. Appreciate that you covered it and you underlined the best parts of the game.
One of my favourite things in ESO was when they had a community event that encouraged you to visit other megaservers and explore summerset (for the big mansion). It was great fun guiding around all the 'tourists' to get them the necessary achievements or being guided around yourself when visiting the other megaserver and just chatting.
How long ago did u start? I just got level 13 I’m a Templar and I’ve played wow for over half my life but even on classic it’s humdrum is killing me. My girl just got a master race PC 😂. I’m making her play wow cuz it is fun, but if I can make serious is it worth it to make ESO the main game?
@@chriswickster you should watch this video
@@chriswickster ESO is great. i ve had thousand of hours plus there. ex wow player here. since vanilla , stopped when BFA came out. I miss the world in wow (sceneries is beautiful). but content wise, ESO is killing it. it’s also a Horizontal progression like GW2.
@@chriswickster The best thing about ESO is the amount of freedom you have. Every class can use any weapon, and play any role. It is a true sandbox mmo, where you can just pick a random direction and you will always find something to do. Right from the beginning you can do just about anything. Wanna get right into the latest expansion content? Sure, why not? Previous expansion like Summerset or Morrowind caught your eye? No problem! Maybe you instead want to start from the beginning with the original story and/ or zone quests. It's all up to you!
That Neverwinter Nights on the background... This game was my entry to mmo
The first portion of the video was a self stroking philosophical waxing of the question “what mmo should I play” by a man who has an entire series telling you what you shouldn’t play.