I feel sad for the people are new to ff7 remake projects because they will be alot of spoilers either by the marketing of ff7 remake projects or through the internet of the lore
@@KAZITOKI97 It's because it's just a remaster of a PSP game from the 2000's not a new game released in 2024. Crisis core is just nice graphics over the skeleton of a game over 15 years old
@@royaltyallen1162 it's literally just a new skin. All of the animations and everything are exactly the same as the PSP version. It's built off the skeleton of the original. It isn't updated or changed in a single way other than better graphics and new voice actors. Even the bad mouth movements and everything are EXACTLY the same as they were before.
@@gnarcky6ix6 actually some animations here and there were changed and the gameplay was tweaked a bit to be more in line with the remake, so its not 100% true that they only touched the graphics and voice actors and that's it, but yeah in general the game is mostly the same as the PSP version
I JUST reached this mission in Crisis Core this morning and my first thought was that I'd love to see a side by side of Crisis Core's Nibelheim next to Rebirth's.....and here it is......thank you!!!
That's a mixed memory.He was playing as Zack in most of the part and the reason why Zack called her 'Tifa' was he heard what Tifa's father said. Cloud couldn't notice these kind of details unfortunately like he convinced himself that he is a REAL soilder.I guess that's the reason.Of course Tifa in Kalm was confused but she kept everything in heart waiting for the real Cloud back.
Thank you for that thumbnail, i know the spoilers from ff7 crisis core and original because i want to know what is going on differently in rebirth but man do i hate spoilers and so many channels dont care at all about others experiences and put major stuff on thumbnails and titles. thank you for not doing that in case someone just glances at your video on their home page.
The scene at 2:00 is interesting because I think it's the only thing in the Rebirth flashback that comes directly from Crisis Core. There's no scene like this in the original FF7, but everything else in the flashback comes from the original, so I thought it was interesting that they did adapt something from Crisis Core when they intentionally left most of it out.
Crazy what a Job they done with Crisis Core. Look how the OG looked from the PSP.. Now it dosen't look THAT much worse then Rebirth, what is crazy, when you see that one Game was from 2007 on a PSP and the other from 2024 on a PS5.
This is interesting, considering the fact Cloud's memories are messed up in a way that he thinks he did and experienced what Zack had gone through. Simply amazing, Nomura.
@@Kumire_921 you literally see it as a flashback in OG FF7? You see it through Zack in Crisis Core, and you see it again in the anime short FF7: Last Order.
Why would Rebirth stick to the version of events from a spinoff instead of the game it's a remake of? Crisis Core's version was really bad for most part. Rebirth kept some nods to it(Like talking to Sephiroth by the hotel window) but mostly threw it in the trash where it belongs.
@@CaptainFalcoyd so true. As someone who has never played Crisis Core, I appreciate that the flashback scene did feel like an enhanced version of the original. I have watched the cutscenes way back when, and would've hated if they somehow shoehorned in a character like Genesis in an attempt to keep it closer to Crisis Core.
So Cloud felt embarassed to show his face in his hometown because he was a mere shinra grunt so he decided to take Zack's place when sharing his story yet Tifa didn't notice anything weird about it? I feel like i'm missing something because this part was hella confusing lmao
When Cloud tells that story he literally believes he WAS Zach in that story. It's part of his core identity. Tifa absolutely knows something is wrong and kind of tries to probe him about it but she's also afraid he's going to have a mental breakdown, plus she is also confused HOW he knows exactly what happened (not sure why she didn't figure Cloud was the Shinra grunt but it's possible she didn't really think about him much after the trip up the mountain). Back then Cloud actively DID avoid showing his face or talking to Tifa because he was embarrassed since he promised to be a SOLIDER. But at the point when he's telling the story he has already taken Zach's place in his memories.
@@sheridanmovieguy So Tifa never mentions Zack's name because she's afraid of Cloud's mental health? That'd explain things, especially after the constant weird visions and headaches Cloud had during their time together. Now i just miss the part of why Cloud is such a mess in the first place, hopefully they'll explain that in Rebirth because i barely remember anything of the og game.
If I remember correctly, it was due to trauma that Cloud basically suffers with Nibelheim Incident, mako poisoning and Zack's death that Cloud ends up taking his memories of Zack and mixing it with his own, causing him to a create a new identity. He ended up suffering from dissociative identity disorder I believe. In Cloud's memories, he is Zack during these events basically.
so basically the way we played FF7 rebirth is just playing zack's memory thru cloud, as cloud were there in CC but his memories trick him as he was zack all along
I wonder how Cloud's revelation will be shown in Part 3. Is Genesis going to appear in Part 3 to quote Loveless? And if Zack is going to mention events that happened in Reunion
Its a refreshing look on the same scene but I wish they would be more consistent with the details. The sample pods. Reactor entrance. Sephiroth's belt or lack of. The shinra basement, Shinra manor. Lighting. Will this be explained in the divergence of the timeline to fix this?
Lol no, its called "remastering a 2007 PSP game using FFVIIRemake assets plus whatever else was on hand". They made his remaster before Rebirth had all the assets for its own Nibelheim.
While the graphics are better, that's only one aspect. The character animations, the dialogue, voice acting, music, camera angles; all of it adds up in Rebirth to put it far above that Crisis Core was able to do as a PSP spin-off.
I finished reunion crisis core right before jumping into FF7 Rebirth. I find it funny how Cloud think he’s Zack retelling the story and then Tifa was like yeah that’s not exactly how it happened but I’ll play along with it because you’re definitely on something lol.
Jenova Cells possess the ability to read memories and mimicry. Cloud's Jenova Cells read Zack's memories. Cloud's Jenova's Cells also read Tifa's memories of Cloud when they meet in Midgar which leads to the false SOLDIER Persona (Cloud's mind was really broken at this point).
people who didn't play the original or only played Remake and the Rebirth demo wouldn't know why Zack is taking Cloud's place in Crisis Core (even though is the other way around, but you get the point, you are not supposed to know that part yet)
@@fenix_tx_1342 I played the nibelheim demo, and then i played crisis core after. Im so confused on if i got spoiled or not because from what i know, cloud believes he is zack
@@zaidazkoul9469 I don't know if I should say anything, but since you commented I guess you are okay with knowing, if not, don't read. Not that Square cares much, they re-released both Crisis Core and Advent Children in the middle of the Remake project lol, but yes, you were spoiled on many plot points for FF7 and the Remakes by playing crisis core in the middle, ideally you weren't supposed to know so obviously that Cloud's story didn't add up, also Cloud doesn't believe he's Zack, since his memory is so fractured, he's just behaving how he believes a Soldier should, becasue he genuinely think he is one, he's mixing the information he knows from his time as a grunt plus what he learned from Zack. On the plus side I guess you have more time invested with Zack.
@@fenix_tx_1342 yeaa honestly im kind of upset i played crisis core i wish i never played it, i thought i should since zack is gonna be in rebirth. hope it doesnt take away from the experience because i really wanted to go in spoiler free
@@zaidazkoul9469Im happy I know it. It doesnt really feel like i got spoiled I found another piece of a puzzle without knowing to what it connects And now i have this interest and confusion wanting to see how everything unfolds
I find it so... odd that they released a faithful remake/remaster of Crisis Core in between Remake and Rebirth. Seeing the old Midgar and Nibelheim level layouts and scenarios again while the remake trilogy basically started from scratch, rewriting every line of dialog and having all the areas redesigned from scratch where they are unrecognizable... So bizarre...
No not yet. in the original FF 7 game cloud remembers the events in his hometown differently than what actually happened and this demo is replicating that scenario pretty well in my opinion
There is an explanation por this. Be careful, this is a MAJOR spoiler. . . . . Zack's mind "merged" with Cloud's, leading to Cloud having Zack's memories and such.
So let me get this striaght, in rebirth, the only reason why Zack is not even there is because Cloud thinks he was Zack? Is that why they took out Zack when they all went to nibelheim in rebirth?
yes, Cloud thinks he was zack thus he completely erased zack’s existence in his memory. Cloud was there sure but he was one of them shinra grunts actually. He was never a SOLDIER.
When Cloud got experimented on, his mind shattered. and he went into a coma. His Jenova Cells read Zack's memories and also picked up his techniques (Jenova has the power of mimicry). When Cloud arrives in Midgar after Zack's Death, Tifa finds him. His Jenova Cells read Tifa's memories of Cloud which leads to the false SOLDIER persona Cloud has early in FFVII. Many times in the original FFVII, Cloud will get headaches from his true self trying to talk him, and things not aligning with the fake memories he has. There's also the fact that Tifa wasn't aware Cloud was in Nibelheim (he hid his face out of Shame of never becoming SOLDIER), and is surprised Cloud knows the events that took place here except Zack isn't mentioned. Tifa is worried about telling Cloud the truth because she thinks it will damage his mind.
Crisis Core was the biggest piece shit I've ever play, there's barely any story, the side quests sucked, the Simulated Missions are some of the most mundane gameplay ever. I couldn't 100% that shit I would never played it again.
That thumbnail is a genius way of avoiding spoilers 😂
I feel sad for the people are new to ff7 remake projects because they will be alot of spoilers either by the marketing of ff7 remake projects or through the internet of the lore
It’s giving Zack Wazowski 😂😂
Omg that’s brilliant
Well. To be FAIR, Zack’s face is covered.
@@crowevil4658ha Nice one
Cloud’s memory had better graphics
Is because reunion can playble on switch and 50% of the graphics is dropped and the rebirth only for pc and ps that's why the graphics like that
@@KAZITOKI97 It's because it's just a remaster of a PSP game from the 2000's not a new game released in 2024. Crisis core is just nice graphics over the skeleton of a game over 15 years old
@@gnarcky6ix6 not really a remaster when they remade the whole game using UE4 engine
@@royaltyallen1162 it's literally just a new skin. All of the animations and everything are exactly the same as the PSP version. It's built off the skeleton of the original. It isn't updated or changed in a single way other than better graphics and new voice actors. Even the bad mouth movements and everything are EXACTLY the same as they were before.
@@gnarcky6ix6 actually some animations here and there were changed and the gameplay was tweaked a bit to be more in line with the remake, so its not 100% true that they only touched the graphics and voice actors and that's it, but yeah in general the game is mostly the same as the PSP version
I JUST reached this mission in Crisis Core this morning and my first thought was that I'd love to see a side by side of Crisis Core's Nibelheim next to Rebirth's.....and here it is......thank you!!!
Anche io sto rigiocando a FFCC reunion e mi trovo proprio alla Shinra manor ☺️
Hopefully Zack doesn't die in Rebirth too...
So Cloud thinks he is Zack and Aerith is like okay 👌 I like big swords 😂
The nice detail from Cloud's memory is that Tifa, never, at any moment mention the word "Cloud" even when they first meet. I wonder why is that? 🤔
That's a mixed memory.He was playing as Zack in most of the part and the reason why Zack called her 'Tifa' was he heard what Tifa's father said. Cloud couldn't notice these kind of details unfortunately like he convinced himself that he is a REAL soilder.I guess that's the reason.Of course Tifa in Kalm was confused but she kept everything in heart waiting for the real Cloud back.
Thank you for that thumbnail, i know the spoilers from ff7 crisis core and original because i want to know what is going on differently in rebirth but man do i hate spoilers and so many channels dont care at all about others experiences and put major stuff on thumbnails and titles. thank you for not doing that in case someone just glances at your video on their home page.
Sephiroth's father is called Hahahahaahha
You mean Sephiroth's Father is related to Tidus ?
well hojo is laughing most of the time.. so it fits lol
yep that's hojo laugh
OG FF7 fan here just smiling watching the kids get their minds blown. Y'all are in for a wild ride.
That’s cool man I’m playing the first one for gba I’m obsessed
Reunion graphic is actually amazing
The scene at 2:00 is interesting because I think it's the only thing in the Rebirth flashback that comes directly from Crisis Core. There's no scene like this in the original FF7, but everything else in the flashback comes from the original, so I thought it was interesting that they did adapt something from Crisis Core when they intentionally left most of it out.
Crazy what a Job they done with Crisis Core. Look how the OG looked from the PSP..
Now it dosen't look THAT much worse then Rebirth, what is crazy, when you see that one Game was from 2007 on a PSP and the other from 2024 on a PS5.
This is interesting, considering the fact Cloud's memories are messed up in a way that he thinks he did and experienced what Zack had gone through. Simply amazing, Nomura.
This has been around since the OG FF7
@@Peedober89Really? I don't remember seeing the nibelheim incident with cloud instead of zack
@@Kumire_921 you literally see it as a flashback in OG FF7? You see it through Zack in Crisis Core, and you see it again in the anime short FF7: Last Order.
@@Kumire_921bruh, it literally in the OG game. Cloud told the stories to Aerith, Tifa and Barret thus Tifa feels something is wrong with Cloud’s story
@@Kumire_921seriously? How could u miss it, right after u leave midgar and get to Kalm they play the flashback with cloud
I'm so glad they didn't stick to every tiny miniscule detail. They really kept most the same but just apmlified and made it better!
Why would Rebirth stick to the version of events from a spinoff instead of the game it's a remake of? Crisis Core's version was really bad for most part. Rebirth kept some nods to it(Like talking to Sephiroth by the hotel window) but mostly threw it in the trash where it belongs.
@@CaptainFalcoyd so true. As someone who has never played Crisis Core, I appreciate that the flashback scene did feel like an enhanced version of the original. I have watched the cutscenes way back when, and would've hated if they somehow shoehorned in a character like Genesis in an attempt to keep it closer to Crisis Core.
Oh shut up @@CaptainFalcoyd
I like the tease for rebirth with the pheonix rebirth flame materia in the water tower
Awesome thumbnail.
Tifa: cloud, your memory is wrong....
Cloud: what?? You think im a fake??
Tifa: no, you forgot ACTIVATING COMBAT MODE!
So Cloud felt embarassed to show his face in his hometown because he was a mere shinra grunt so he decided to take Zack's place when sharing his story yet Tifa didn't notice anything weird about it? I feel like i'm missing something because this part was hella confusing lmao
When Cloud tells that story he literally believes he WAS Zach in that story. It's part of his core identity. Tifa absolutely knows something is wrong and kind of tries to probe him about it but she's also afraid he's going to have a mental breakdown, plus she is also confused HOW he knows exactly what happened (not sure why she didn't figure Cloud was the Shinra grunt but it's possible she didn't really think about him much after the trip up the mountain). Back then Cloud actively DID avoid showing his face or talking to Tifa because he was embarrassed since he promised to be a SOLIDER. But at the point when he's telling the story he has already taken Zach's place in his memories.
@@sheridanmovieguy So Tifa never mentions Zack's name because she's afraid of Cloud's mental health? That'd explain things, especially after the constant weird visions and headaches Cloud had during their time together. Now i just miss the part of why Cloud is such a mess in the first place, hopefully they'll explain that in Rebirth because i barely remember anything of the og game.
If I remember correctly, it was due to trauma that Cloud basically suffers with Nibelheim Incident, mako poisoning and Zack's death that Cloud ends up taking his memories of Zack and mixing it with his own, causing him to a create a new identity. He ended up suffering from dissociative identity disorder I believe. In Cloud's memories, he is Zack during these events basically.
so basically the way we played FF7 rebirth is just playing zack's memory thru cloud, as cloud were there in CC but his memories trick him as he was zack all along
I wonder how Cloud's revelation will be shown in Part 3. Is Genesis going to appear in Part 3 to quote Loveless? And if Zack is going to mention events that happened in Reunion
Its a refreshing look on the same scene but I wish they would be more consistent with the details. The sample pods. Reactor entrance. Sephiroth's belt or lack of. The shinra basement, Shinra manor. Lighting. Will this be explained in the divergence of the timeline to fix this?
Right? They can't even ge the colour of the main guys hair correct.
Lol no, its called "remastering a 2007 PSP game using FFVIIRemake assets plus whatever else was on hand". They made his remaster before Rebirth had all the assets for its own Nibelheim.
While the graphics are better, that's only one aspect. The character animations, the dialogue, voice acting, music, camera angles; all of it adds up in Rebirth to put it far above that Crisis Core was able to do as a PSP spin-off.
I finished reunion crisis core right before jumping into FF7 Rebirth. I find it funny how Cloud think he’s Zack retelling the story and then Tifa was like yeah that’s not exactly how it happened but I’ll play along with it because you’re definitely on something lol.
In clouds memory tifa had tighter well toned abs. 😂
Whoever voice acted “heroes coming through” sounds like paimon from genshin impact
Why Cloud knows what happened inside the reactor? 🤔
ask ramirez the shinra grunt man
Jenova Cells possess the ability to read memories and mimicry. Cloud's Jenova Cells read Zack's memories. Cloud's Jenova's Cells also read Tifa's memories of Cloud when they meet in Midgar which leads to the false SOLDIER Persona (Cloud's mind was really broken at this point).
I honestly never understood how this is a spoiler, crisis core has been out for 17 years
people who didn't play the original or only played Remake and the Rebirth demo wouldn't know why Zack is taking Cloud's place in Crisis Core (even though is the other way around, but you get the point, you are not supposed to know that part yet)
@@fenix_tx_1342 I played the nibelheim demo, and then i played crisis core after. Im so confused on if i got spoiled or not because from what i know, cloud believes he is zack
@@zaidazkoul9469 I don't know if I should say anything, but since you commented I guess you are okay with knowing, if not, don't read. Not that Square cares much, they re-released both Crisis Core and Advent Children in the middle of the Remake project lol, but yes, you were spoiled on many plot points for FF7 and the Remakes by playing crisis core in the middle, ideally you weren't supposed to know so obviously that Cloud's story didn't add up, also Cloud doesn't believe he's Zack, since his memory is so fractured, he's just behaving how he believes a Soldier should, becasue he genuinely think he is one, he's mixing the information he knows from his time as a grunt plus what he learned from Zack. On the plus side I guess you have more time invested with Zack.
@@fenix_tx_1342 yeaa honestly im kind of upset i played crisis core i wish i never played it, i thought i should since zack is gonna be in rebirth. hope it doesnt take away from the experience because i really wanted to go in spoiler free
@@zaidazkoul9469Im happy I know it. It doesnt really feel like i got spoiled
I found another piece of a puzzle without knowing to what it connects
And now i have this interest and confusion wanting to see how everything unfolds
I find it so... odd that they released a faithful remake/remaster of Crisis Core in between Remake and Rebirth. Seeing the old Midgar and Nibelheim level layouts and scenarios again while the remake trilogy basically started from scratch, rewriting every line of dialog and having all the areas redesigned from scratch where they are unrecognizable... So bizarre...
Last Order anime too
At least his voice acting improved.
"To become a HERO"
I like to know what come first
Reunion or rebirth?
Is this alternate timeline?!
Looks like at the end of 7 remake 2 Worlds merged
No not yet. in the original FF 7 game cloud remembers the events in his hometown differently than what actually happened and this demo is replicating that scenario pretty well in my opinion
There is an explanation por this. Be careful, this is a MAJOR spoiler.
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Zack's mind "merged" with Cloud's, leading to Cloud having Zack's memories and such.
Have you played the original? If you dont want spoilers, then know that both are canon but in different context.
Sooooo Cloud is gaslighting himself? 😭
Basically 💀
This is some trippy stuff
10:00
Same Energy, Same shit
Amazing.
So let me get this striaght, in rebirth, the only reason why Zack is not even there is because Cloud thinks he was Zack? Is that why they took out Zack when they all went to nibelheim in rebirth?
yes, Cloud thinks he was zack thus he completely erased zack’s existence in his memory. Cloud was there sure but he was one of them shinra grunts actually. He was never a SOLDIER.
why in crisis core reunion is Zack but rebirth is Cloud ?
When Cloud got experimented on, his mind shattered. and he went into a coma. His Jenova Cells read Zack's memories and also picked up his techniques (Jenova has the power of mimicry). When Cloud arrives in Midgar after Zack's Death, Tifa finds him. His Jenova Cells read Tifa's memories of Cloud which leads to the false SOLDIER persona Cloud has early in FFVII. Many times in the original FFVII, Cloud will get headaches from his true self trying to talk him, and things not aligning with the fake memories he has. There's also the fact that Tifa wasn't aware Cloud was in Nibelheim (he hid his face out of Shame of never becoming SOLDIER), and is surprised Cloud knows the events that took place here except Zack isn't mentioned. Tifa is worried about telling Cloud the truth because she thinks it will damage his mind.
i'm confused now , was it zack or cloud in that day ??
it was zack. cloud's brain is messed up because of the experiments
Both, but Cloud is not the First class SOLDIER, he is one of the other two guys with helmets.
Me reading these comments: heh heh heh aaAAAHHHH hahahaha a new generation of confusion and frustration. Sephiroth brings forth despair!!!
crisis core sephiroth fire cinematic gives me the chills every time, ff7 rebirth does not, idunno :shrug
The slow, gradual head lift is so menacing in Crisis Core.
Sephiroth character model is off in rebirth. His face isn’t intimidating enough.
So which one is canon?
Both
Both are exactly the same series of events...
both are canon but only one is true
both are canon, the one with cloud is just a memory disorder from cloud
I miss ghost picture
👍
why change person to act as zack？？？because cloud change the history😂😂😂。
Haha I already finish original 20 year ago FF7 OG PS1 years or so
Who puts a materia in a wat........ nevermind blame it on Hojo.
does Zack possessed Cloud's body in the Rebirth?
No.
Illusion or Another Timeline.......
no, is jut Cloud being delulu
@@yaninaayalaherrera8956 you'll never see the truth which such Clouded Eyes
Cloud had a crush on Zack.
No, he hadn't.
No…
Crisis Core was the biggest piece shit I've ever play, there's barely any story, the side quests sucked, the Simulated Missions are some of the most mundane gameplay ever. I couldn't 100% that shit I would never played it again.
Ff 7 rebirth is super trash, that no is nibelheim, that is a sheet xddd