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OWC Thunderbolt 3 vs CalDigit TS3 Plus+ Docks
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2019
- Comparison of two very high quality ThunderBolt 3 docks, turn you MacBook Pro into a workstation by plugging in one or two cables and have multiple displays, hard drives, Ethernet, USB devices all connected instantly. Direct comparison of key differences is at 10:24
Read through the replies below about possible issues with running multiple 4K monitors, and sounds like in this case the CalDigit is the best choice.
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Thanks for a great comparison. I’m in the market for one of these and your review helped a lot.
I’m going to build my own version today sometime. I’ll have a video about it in a few days.
Well done mate. Great description of each device and clearly articulated. Much appreciated. ✌️
Glad it was helpful!
Best dock comparison on the internet! Very helpful, thank you!
Very nice review 👍🏻. I was looking for a dock and narrowed it down between these two and like you went for the smaller footprint.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the review. Very helpful.
Very detailed. Helped a lot. Thanks and good job Wayne.
Glad it helped
Great, thorough review. I purchased the CalDigit mostly for the extra USB C port and the smaller footprint but both are great.
Good choice!
I see people giving bad review for the Caldigit because it is bit noisy and microphones pick up these noises is that true
excellent video man, appreciate the level of detail. your assumption is correct: im in the market for one of these devices and i appreciate you taking the time to highlight the differences and explain what other videos assume viewers would already know!
thanks.
really helpful, thank you!
Thanks for the great feature comparison.
Wow! This is the best comparative review I've watched for a multi-port USB hub. Absolutely superb port-by-port spec comparison. I was especially impressed with your comparison of how many amps (e.g., 1.5 amps versus 0.9 amps) the USB-C and USB-A ports provide for charging peripherals (i.e., smart phones, smart watches, ear-buds, etc.). You even nuanced that the higher and lower amps merely translates into how fast/slow you want your devices to charge, faster per higher amps or slower per lower amps. I found it frustrating that 99.% of the 50 reviews I watched on multi-port hubs didn't include this port-by-port spec/nuance comparison like yourself. One had to infer this data or do voluminous cross-referencing of spec sheets. So thank you so much for doing this!
My consumer question is, does the TB3 computer port on the OCW and CD-TSC also connect to and power a non-TB3 laptop? My partner's new Dell has a USB-C TB3 port with the TB-symbol. But my MSI laptop USB C port is confusing: "USB 3.0/ 3.1 Port (Type C) (optional)
; USB 3.0/ 3.1, the SuperSpeed(+) USB, delivers the higher interface speeds for connecting various devices, such as storage devices, hard drives, or video cameras, and offers more advantages over high-speed data transferring. The slim and sleek USB Type C connector features reversible plug orientation and cable direction, and supports scalable performance to future-proof solution, including USB 3.x, DisplayPort, PCIe, Audio, and optionally supported Thunderbolt 3."
This spec sounds like my MSI laptop USB-C port is a USB-C Gen 2 10Gb/s (backward Gen 1 5Gb/s compatible) port, not an authentic TB3 port. Am I wrong? If not, then either the OWC or CD-TS3 would serve my purpose, the latter because of its smaller foot-print but also the OCW because it has a mini-DisplayPort. I read the m-DP is better than a HDMI for a 144Hz monitor?
What say you sir? And bravo on your comparison review. Thank you so much for making it!
maybe try calling B&H - they have a great sales dept that could help you out
I'm pretty sure the device is expecting a TB3 connection to the host computer, which it then can split out into all of those other connections. I don't think it is designed for USB. There are similar hubs that can do this with USB 3 so if that's what you need check out those. I think both OWC and CalDigit make USB 3 hubs.
Fantastic comparison! Great work
Thanks! 👍
Good comparison of the two devices. I would be interested in either when I get a TB3 computer. Thank you.
very nice review. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Nice video comparison!
Thanks!
Great! thanks Wayne
Thanks
Thank you!!
Thanks!
Thanks, good comparison, i got the TS3 because it was on sale for $200. The microSd card is not an issue for me, because i have plenty of microSd adapters, the only thing i don't like is the splitted headphone jack.
That's a good price. I've gone back tot he OWC because it slides under my Mac Pro, so the thin flat form factor works well.
Thanks! Great job. I did notice a few things. You said that the 3.1 Gen 2 port on the front of the OWC was 8bg/s but the 3.1 Gen two on the back of the ClDigit is 10 bg/s a sec. Why would they be different? Also, you said the CalDigit counts the second audio port to get 15 ports. That's incorrect. It counts the extra USB-c port to get 15. My only other comment is that I think the OWC with experience better cooling due to heat transfer because of it's slimmer design. Also, the heat sink design of the CalDigit box could offset that advantage.
Excellent comparison, thanks, you clear all my doubts
Glad it was helpful!
EXCELLENT video , will i be able to run 3 apple TB displays using a mac pro 2013 and theOWC TB dock , thanks
Mac Pro 2013 has 6 ThunderBolt 2/Mini Display Port connections.. There is no need for any kind of a dock, it can easily handle 3 displays as well as a multitude of other ThunderBolt 2 compatible devices. The OWC Dock is a ThunderBolt 3 dock, not even sure there is a way to really connect it and use it with the MacPro which doesn’t have ThunderBolt 3.
thanks for sharing this sir.
P.S. You dont have to open the laptop screen to wait for it to wake up. Simply close it , connect the thunderbolt cable, press your external keyboard and the Mac will wake up and connect the monitor itself.
Sometimes with a bluetooth keyboard, the Mac doesn't pick it up until you wake it it up when you. so I just got in the habit of opening it up after I connect the cable. With a wired keyboard, you are right, no need to open it.
great video. I thing the CalDigit has dropped in price to 249.
The thunderbolt 3 on the back of the Calldigit supports data transfer up to 40gb/s . I can confirm because I use it with Samsung X5 SSD . That is the great advantage of this unit , but I think that OWC should be the same ..although I am not sure.
Nice vid. Did you find any issues while having 2 sources of charging the laptop from both the dock and the egpu? I’m thinking of getting the caldigit to attach to my macbook pro 16”, while also connecting the laptop to my razer core X egpu. Right now the egpu is charging the laptop since it’s capable of 100W charging, but since the caldigit is only capable until 87W so I guess the egpu will take charge of charging when connected to both? Thanks!
I didn't have any issues with charging, I guess I"m not sure which was doing the charging, since I had the OWC or the CalDigit connected to one port, and the eGPU connected directly to a different port
can they be linked to each other? without loss ? thanx!!!
How does the icy box compare to these 2? The 1 that won the red dot design award
Any thermal issue on OWC? Im using Ts3 plus but its gets quite warm when I connect 4k and QHD monitor via TB3 and displayport
I use the TS3 most of the time now. But I don’t run any displays out of either one of them, as I have an external GPU that handles those. I haven’t had any thermal issues with either one, but adding a display or two certainly could have an impact. Either should handle them OK.
Hi Wayne- as this was shot in May- which one do you feel is better NOW - for the MacBook Pro 16"?
I’m using the CalDigit one now. It seems to working well with my 16” MacBook Pro, although my setup doesn’t require attaching to any monitors as those are all attached through a Sonnet eGPU which is attached directly to one of my TB3 ports on the MacBook. My choice is mainly about the footprint ... it’s just smaller.
Even if you haven't used it personally please give your opinion based on what you can read about it/specs.. im buying 1 of these 3 devices soon and leaning towards the icy box
Hard to say without actually trying it. It certainly has more options to connect a display (VGA/HDMI/DisplayPort/Mini-DisplayPort). As long as it has all the other ports you need.
My Caldigit TS3 Plus only is recognized by my Dell XPS 15 7590 when the dock is plugged into the laptop when shut down, and then powered up. If my laptop is on and I plug the dock in, nothing happens. Any ideas? All drivers up to date...
you need to go to power management of Windows to setup the laptop power when laptop close or plug in the docking station - to "DO NOTHING".
Also go to the BIOS of Dell XPS to release the Thunderbolt secure connection from display only.
Would you mind answering a question regarding if either devices would be ideal for my setup?
I have a 2016 MacBook Pro 13 inch and use a Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen with an NTG2 mic to record audio using Logic Pro X. Would either of these devices be ideal for my setup or would it cause audio interface?
My MacBook has only two ports if that means anything. I would really appreciate your response.
Either device should work equally well. I've used both along with a Scarlett 2i2 with no audio issues.
Hi Wayne, thank you for that thourough comparision, absolutely commendable! You should have WAY MORE views than those fanboy teenage youtubers who present themselves as DOPs/cinematographers, shooting on a RED that they got from their mom for their 16th birthday ;) Could you answer the following question for me please: Do both of these docks have an option (software?) which allows to safely disconnect all devices (drives) at once with just a single click? Thanks, Matthias
I know the OWC does, not sure about the CalDigit.
thanks for your quick reply! I thought you were using the CalDigit as your everyday-dock? How is your „disconnect routine“ when you pack up your MBP for on-the-go-work?
@@PW-qy8mf I purchased a Mac Pro earlier this year, and use the OWC dock on that because it fits underneath the Mac Pro. I sold the CalDigit to a buddy of mine. I don't use a dock on the laptop anymore, its evolved back to being used only when traveling. (I have the new M1 MacBook Pro on the way, hoping it will be a good travel laptop) I did use OWC utility before, as I recall it seemed to work fine, although it's pretty simple to just click the eject icon on all the drives in the finder.
Wayne Fox: Thanks Wayne!
I saw in one of the comments that you just purchased a Macbook Pro with the M1 chip. I'd love to hear what you think of it. Did you get the 16gb or the 8gb version? I just purchased the 8gb Pro since I couldn't see much advantage to the 16gb version according to the reviews I could find. This review of the CalDigit was amazing.
I have the 16gb version on the way. Apple said it shipped yesterday, but delivery isn't until the 11th. I'll run some side by side tests on the things I use as well as some thoughts on why I might be happy with the smaller MBP as soon as I can spend some time with it.
I think the extra Thunderbolt 3 port is more significant than the microSD port. There is also a lower-priced hub available from CalDigit.
I assume you meant extra USB C port. It doesn't give you an extra TB port, you have one that has to be used to connect to your Mac, and then you get one on the dock. So you lose one from the Mac to make the connection, and you get it back on the doc. However, it does give you an extra USB-C 3.1 connection so you connect 2 USB C devices without losing the thunderbolt port. So it depends on your needs. Some don't use any USB C devices, but with high capacity USB C SSD's showing up cheap, they will get more popular so that extra port might be handy.. I thought I would use the micro SD slot a lot because my audio recorders use those, but I usually just plug a cable into them and copy them straight out of the device.
Thanks for this Wayne. I’m about to get the new 16 inch MacBook Pro. I was going to just get the OWC dock. But now I am going to seriously consider the Caldigit .
My current set up is a trashcan Mac pro desktop, with two OWC Thunderbay 4 boxes attached. One is the older thunderbolt 2-Raid that is used for archiving and backups. The other is the newer thunderbolt 3 -Thunderbay 4- that I use with a T3 to T3 adapter.
My display is an older NEC PA271 connected with the mini display port to thunderbolt cable.
Can you think of a way that I would be able to keep my Mac Pro in play and be able to share the display so when I plug the laptop into the dock I can use it with my 27 inch display And when the laptop is not plugged then I can still use the old Mac Pro.?
I shoot more stills than video and would like to still be able to use the desktop MP for a lot of my Lightroom & Photoshop work so my laptop doesn’t have to stay tied to the desk when I’m home ,unless I’m doing video or things that need the newer software.
The display only has one mini display port and 2 DVI ports which will not give me full resolution.
Appreciate your insight if you have any.
Also trying to figure out how I can share data from the new laptop to offload new jobs and do backups into my existing set up without totally disconnecting the Mac Pro
I also realize that I may have to just use the laptop as my main machine going forward.
The PA 271 manual shows that it works like my PA 301w, and should have two displayport inputs on the bottom and you can switch between them with the front buttons.. You can even use a USB keyboard and mouse to the display and when switching between computers it will also switch the keyboard and mouse. I do this occasionally with a MacMini that I use for various projects that require an older version of MacOS. This will only handle switching the displays, you can’t have a system where you dynamically switch the entire ThunderBolt chain. That’s why I finally gave up on my 2013 Mac Pro, it was slower than my 2019 MacBook Pro anyway, so it was easier just to use it as my main computer. I pretty much just work at my desk at home, I live alone and don’t really need to sit in another room and work on just the laptop.
Wayne Fox - mine was bought in 2011. It has 1-mini display port and 2-DVI-D ports only.
Thx Wayne. Also I’m a location photographer. Many jobs require me tomshoot tethered so my laptop if out & about often. I’m sure it will be faster than my 2013 MP, ind I may just makenthe 16” my main and keep the Trashcan as a backup in case of service.
I was just hoping to have them both in play with the one display.
Jumping to new tech in Baby steps....
@@jeffellis6544 They do make DisplayPort Switches ... maybe something like this would work? tinyurl.com/vdq2sd5
I see people giving bad review for the Caldigit because it is bit noisy and microphones pick up these noises is that true
Neither interface makes any noise that I can here. I don't believe either use a fan.
Is there a significant advantage in getting a Dock like these two compared to a USB hub that you can take anywhere?
Usually these docks have more ports and can handle more types of devices that would be typical of a desktop situation (video, fast ethernet, etc.). Also these are thunderbolt ports which means the full PCI bus as well ad displayPort are sent from the computer. Since it's PCI, you can convert to pretty much anything.
Great job! Any difference in the warranties?
The OWC Dock has a 2 year Limited warranty. Can’t seem to get a clear answer on the CalDigit, their website says their devices are warrantied from 1 to 2 years depending on the device, but I wasn’t able to find what the specific time was on the CalDigit TS3 Plus.
Thanks for the timely reply , the problem i have encountered is when trying to arrange 3 displays side by side the cable from 2 of the displays is just not long enough to reach the mac pro , hence my thoughts of a dock .
how far away is your Mac Pro?
6 feet approx
at 6:14 you have the Thunderbolt 3 port listed as 10Gb/s which is confusing because TB3 is 40 Gb/s theoretically.
Just like the tb3 ports on a MacBook Pro can be used for a TB3 device or a USB-C gen 2 device this port can used for either as well. . The 10 Gb/s speed is specifically attached to the usb description of the port in the video. Some think you can wonky attach TB3 devices to this port. Sry u find it confusing.
do you know of any docks which have 2 inputs so that I can connect 2 laptops at the same time. Or can I do that in ts3+
Haven’t heard of any such docks, don’t even know if that’s possible. You can connect one laptop using target disk mode like it’s an external drive,
good video
What’s the laptop cooling pad you’re using??
I trust OWC. But I think I might like the the CalDigit just as much.
Hi Wayne, Excellent video, but there are some things that are factually incorrect. The 12 Port OWC charges at 60 watts to the host, and not the 85 watts of the TS3 Plus. Although the website does not provide the voltage of the USB Type-A ports on the TS3 Plus their support team advised that it was indeed, 1.5. Which, is identical to both the 12 and 14 Port OWC Dock.
Thanks for the clarification, the 12 port specs aren’t listed in the manual or on OWC’s website so I sort of assumed it was the same as the 14 port which does provide 85 watts. As far as the USB ports on the CalDigit, that’s good news that they supply 1.5 watts of power, although some printed verification would be nice. Seems it would be worthwhile for this information to be added to the marketing material. I know the CalDigit doesn’t seem to charge my iPhone as fast as the OWC, so if that’s true not sure what’s up with that. Not really a big deal, don’t think anyone would be basing a decision on the ability to charge a device, although it might make it easier to hook up an external DVD writer.
@@cwaynefox You're absolutely right about the printed verification for CalDigit, since this is something they can ameliorate right away. OWC, StarTech, and Elgato has flickering issues, whereas the TS3 Plus has been holding solid. For me it is dual 4K display that has CalDigit as the winning dock. Really enjoyed your video, and how you used some functional examples.
@@starvinglawstudent , thanks for the feedback. I haven’t heard of flickering issues but personally have no way to test it as I use 2 30” standard definition displays which I drive from and eGPU. Are you driving both displays from the dock ... one from display port and the other from the the TB3 port? Have you actually used the OWC dock and seen the problem?
@@cwaynefox Yes, but are driven through CalDigit's TS3 Plus. DisplayPort 1.2, and I use the downstream Thunderbolt 3 port as the second display. When you're working with high resolution and high frame rates is when you can see the difference between the the 200+ and the 300 docks. We've tested Cable Matters, Pluggable, Elgato, and others do not have the consistency as CalDigit. They may be great for lower resolutions, but at 4K CalDigit has been the clear winner. There were some hiccups with the Active Display for downstream Thunderbolt 3, but nothing a $10 adapter didn't solve. SPDIF also came in handy when we needed to plug in a receiver. The dock is capable of surround sound through that Optical Audio.
@@starvinglawstudent Thanks for the information. Good to know for those needing to run multiple high Rez displays. The size of the CalDigit is the real winner for me, if I only had one it would be the CalDigit.
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There is a big difference between the new "hubs" from OWC and CalDigit and these "docks". A dock adds additional ports to your computer, such as audio, video, SD card, HDMI or DisplayPort , USB, etc. What it doesn't add are more ThunderBolt ports. These hubs are focused on adding Thunderbolt ports, typical you gain 2 additional ThunderBolt ports. Thunderbolt 3 / 4 ports also handle USB 3 / 4 as well. These are great for a device like the M1 MacBook Pro, which only has 2 onboard ThunderBolt ports. The down side is you lose a few of the features of the docks, such as SD card slot, audio, HDMI or display port video. The docks are more versatile, but you can always use one of the added TB ports or one of the USB-A ports for most of those functions. I may buy one to review, not sure, as the dock serves my needs better than the hubs.
Screw it. I'm getting 4 docks, one for each port.
that should be enough connections for you :)
Video starts at 4:29