This presentation highlights what I find so frustrating when discussing the differences between electric vehicles and ice vehicles, to people who look at the current generation of electric vehicles and say that well look at it, it can’t go as far as my current ice vehicle, it’s useless for towing etc, etc. What they fail to appreciate in my view is that we are still really on generation 1.65 of EV’s And that in the coming years, we’re going to likely see enormous improvements in EV architecture that will render ice vehicles as expensive junk!
@@noway7555Well done. You've got it. If all the other EV afficionados would do the same, then finally, finally the rest of us can have some peace and quiet. We are all continuously annoyed by idiots ramming EV trivia down our throats that we all already know and have known for years. Yet, every little detail has to be blown out of all proportions by people like Viking. Come on! An efficiency improvement of 2%? That's hardly worth mentioning. And based on the theoretical amount of room left for improvement, IC engines actually have more scope for the future in that respect.
@@hvh377much bigger improvements coming to EVs.. because the size and weight will decrease massuvely.. and we're only on 1st generation batteries. Batteries will at least 3x in power density over the next 5 to 8 years
I like to think of it like this; ICE is analogue and EV’s are digital. In computing terms EV’s are already way past the floppy disc stage but there’s so much more to come. A decade from now ICE will be the transport equivalent of vinyl with enthusiasts waxing nostalgically on about them whilst streaming the Grateful Dead on Spotify.
Not really, no. According to new info and the overall behavior of car manufacturers, EVs aren't as popular as initially expected, and, realistically speaking, it will take more than 15 years before EVs can actually outsell gasoline cars, let alone bury them. EVs are still far to expensive to purchase, still have a relatively limited use, and, above all else, are even more toxic to the environment that gasoline cars. And I'm not talking about emissions, I'm talking about the toxicity to the water and soil that is near lithium-ion mines, and that is being tainted by various chemicals constantly. For this reason we must find a different battery type, such as sodium-ion batteries, which, albeit far less potent, are much greener to make, and also much less expensive. Sure, these vehicles will not be suitable for long cruises, however around the city and in a range of up to 250 kilometers, they'll be ideal, especially since they'll replace gas cars at their most polluting, which is the city. As such, gas cars can exist for those that need long-distance cruising, and with the development of synfuels and biofuels, their emissions can be lowered even further. Not to mention that by restricting them around town you'll decrease pollution even more. Finally and alternatively, CNG and LPG can be used as a sole powering source for these vehicles, as they practically emit the same kind of CO2 as EVs do when recharged from the grid.
I love electric motors 💚 It started with small electric motors in RC models. Then moved on to an electric motor in a mountainbike. Then to a DIY longboard. Then to an E-Scooter. I am not sure if I really need an electric car because I do not like travelling and love being in the woods where no cars are allowed. But with every electric car that replaces an ICE car on the road, the air that I breathe in my city is certainly better than before :)
Because you moved the pollution to the countries that mine the raw materials for the batteries and the power stations that burn coal or diesel to provide the electricity to charge your GREEN car. Can you see further than the end of your nose??
An electric aeroplane is a propeller driven aeroplane. Definitely an opening there for recreational aircraft or specific purpose aircraft but far too slow for public transport over lengthy distances, even with advanced propeller designs.
93% efficiency is pretty much industry standard. 97% is high. But efficiency figures can be deceiving, as they are usually taken at rated power and rpm. At higher or lower speeds or lower power the efficiency usually drops off dramatically. Tesla has achieved high efficiency in all conditions with their switched reluctance design. Other manufacturers consider this design to be too expensive.
Couldn’t be said any better !!! Somebody need to tell Viking to do bit of research on other makers .. he does seem to like Tesla which is why this video is absolute and not making sense .
Yes and another thing is that they state peak power 250kW but right after the motor run hot and efficiency plummeth. Tesla do not have Switched Reluctance motors and in fact no EV to my knowledge have it but it would in fact be ideal. AEM market them and have a deal with Bentley, so in a not too distant future there will hopefully be SRM's on the market.
@@royh6526 Hi Roy. SRM producers are AEM, Turntide etc. Tesla do Induction and permanent magnet motors and have to my knowledge never dabbled with SRM. Perhaps in the future Tesla will take an interest in SRM, that only have iron in the rotor.
Xiaomi has an in house developed e drive unit called v8s with 27,000 rpm redline,which produces 578 ps,it has a 13 hp per kg power density,more than double of what plaid drive unit has to offer,also with 98.1 percent efficiency,which will be used in su7 ultra rear drive unit.
Yeah.... It's so great that it's kind of a hinderance. I want to buy more EV's for our fleet but knowing the leaps in tech around the corner prevents me from doing so. The current Gen seems so outdated and the prices they are asking do not reflect that. When all these tech advances are implemented let's say a few years down the road, who in the world will want to buy your ancient 3 year old vehicle. So it's a big hit on the pocket book to pay high and sell really low.
Amazing but also telling how costly and expensive it is to be early adopter, both for the consumers and manufacturers. The EV technology has much innovation left but ICE cars have low levels of innovation left, a safe spot for the manufacturers and consumers, no one can take big leaps or be left behind.
@@darpompie4354, you clearly want to sell in a couple of years, then yes, but if you keep it for 10 years then who cares. Just like most ICE vehicles, after 10 years it won’t be worth much anyway.
Magna has been manufacturing automotive parts as a tier 1 OEM supplier for years. They started in Aurora Ontario Canada, 65 years ago. The auto manufacturing in Austria are more recent purchases from Chrysler and MB.
Smaller, lighter, less expensive, more powerful, faster charging, longer range, fewer repairs, longer lasting. quiet, less polluting, more torque, self-driving, lower center of gravity, more efficient. and we are not done yet. Sounds good to me.
This motor is lighter, not the entire vehicle. Battery technology has a long way to go to get the entire vehicle lighter while matching current ice range. The evs with more range than pretty much any ice right now, >600km give or take, are ludicrously expensive, big heavy monstrosities - well over two tonnes. And they dont fill up in two minutes. I agree with everything else though.
@petercroft9895 agree but we starting to see prototypes that can charge fast also. The Polestar 5 prototype did 10% to 80% or so in 10 minutes (I think) and other batteries are similar.
@@petercroft9895 I see ocasional comparison of the model 3 with similar ICE cars and it is not heavier. But then Tesla is ahead of the curve. While it may happen the need to match ICE ranges is just an illusionary fence that EV hater have erected EV cars to jump over.
@danharold3087 Sure, an M3 LR is a similar weight to a comparable ice saloon. However, it does not come close in regards to range - which is at odds with statements made in the post that I was replying to. Note that that does not make me an ev or Tesla hater, it is just a simple statement of fact. If I were to want an ev with 600+ km range, and some people do, then I'd looking at a bazillion dollars worth of large, heavy Mercedes or similar. Personally, if there was something small and simple on the market for under NZ$25k with 200km range, I'd have one in a heartbeat for around town. I don't need or want sub 5 second 0-60 times, or a gaggle of intrusive electronic nannies for that.
@@petercroft9895 Lost my interest when you said you wanted an EV with the same range as a ICE car. This has been beat to death with a stick and I don't want to burn time on it. Either you get it or you don't and there is no changing your mind.
Motor more efficient + battery more efficient produces exponential increases in efficiency like a 2% battery efficiency increase plus a 3% motor efficiency increase can result in more than a 5% increase in range
SiC means silicon carbide semiconductors used to switch power in the inverter. They are faster than silicon, handle more power than Gallium Nitride (a competing technology, possible for smaller motors), can run hotter, but are more expensive.
My money is going on all four wheels having their own motor, so that torque can be applied individually to each tyre. This will then improve handling and reduce wear while increasing efficiency - overall tyre to ground efficiency. It just needs the right software integration and optimisation. And, of course, cheap (Not Small) enough motors.
@@rogerfroud300 yes, of course, but small already exists. High powered, and small wheel motors have been around for ages, but the principal is still too expensive to employ. Not for long it seems!
@@danharold3087 agreed, there are issues to be worked out! It will be interesting but I still believe it’s the inevitable end point although vehicles will still vary such that they continue to be fit for purpose of course.
On luxury/performance cars, sure. The minimal extra cost on a $70k car would be trivial. The addition on economy cars, not so much. Two will get it done and still manage AWD and redundancy. Its hard to imagine motors costing less than $250 any time soon and adding $500 to the price of an economy car would be prohibitive in a competitive market ( BYD vs Tesla). The economy car buyer would be less enthusiastic about the high speed performance of the car. (More "Just get me there" buyers.) On the higher end, absolutely.
@@keithhooper6123Not really. The same amount of investment - and more - *has* been made for combustion engines, over the last 100+ years. There's just not that much more that can be done with them.
@@keithhooper6123 ICE is already a mature technology. They have tried just about everything there is to try already. That's why they only make small incremental changes now. EVs are just getting started. Batteries will improve dramatically. Motors will improve dramatically. Charging will improve dramatically. In Tesla, FSD will improve dramatically.
There are already electric aircraft in the pipeline or in development that will have sufficient range for short flights. For example, Vancouver, British Columbia to Victoria on Vancouver Island. It's only about 30 km Harbour Air already has a test airplane in operation.
@@rogermartinez78 certified electric aircraft Velis Electro from Pipistrel already flying for years, perfect aircraft for flight training and short sightseeing flight.
The most advancement in converting electrical energy to range will come from the batteries. They need to become lighter and more energy dense. Next would the to decease the drag coefficient. But of course reducing weight is a huge factor as a BEV (and ICEVs) mostly moves itself as opposed to its occupants. Aptera is making a lot of progress on that front.
You are wasting 4 out of 5 liters of fuel you put into your car, it's a VERY expensive cabin heating, and environmentally completely absurd. While an ICE car has an overall efficiency of around 20% an EV has 70% and more.
@@chefineer ICE stands no chance against electric motors. The efficiency of a combustion engine is theoretically limited at around 50%, in reality around 30% (electric motor 90% and above) and the combustion engine achieves that in a very narrow band of operation, while the powercurve of an electric engine is pretty flat. In cars, this leads to the reality that overall efficiency of ICE cars is around 20%, while EVs are 70% and above (Tesla Model 3 above 80%) Look at the performance curve of a modern electric motor and compare that to a combustion engine, then you know why ICE cars are a terrible idea we need to get rid of ASAP. In high traffic situations or inner city driving the story get's even worse, there we are not talking about EV real life efficiency 3 times higher, but somewhere between 4 and 5 times higher. Toyota has completely failed in EVs, so they are desperately trying to push for ICE, which is insane.
@@chriswilliams8607 You need to consider the holistic system. IE, the weight of the motor + batteries All your saying by quoting efficiency, is, which type of vehicle travels furthest per kWh of energy consumed But they don't start off with the same fuel sources Both ICE and EV need to carry their energy source with them, as weight How much does a 'kWh of electricity' weigh ? Current EV batteries range from 200Wh to 400Wh per kg. In other words to get 1kWh of electricity you need to carry upto 5kgs of weight (assuming 100% efficiency in conversion from battery to wheels) A kWh of petrol weighs under 100g (0.1kg) Multiply that by 4 to account for 25% efficiency and it's only 0.4kg. How efficient is an electric car in terms of miles/kg of energy when compared to ICE ? It's actually pretty poor isn't it. Even granting an EV 100% efficiency it still weighs considerably more than liquid fossil fuel, because, you have to carry the full weight of the batteries, even when they have no power left
@@chriswilliams8607 Motor efficiency has always been high. They're a simple machine. Only better magnets can make much of a difference "ICE stands no chance against electric motors. " We had ICE and EV 100 years ago....which prevailed and became the most practical ?
Piece by piece, day by day, we are getting better and better electric vehicles. Batteries, inverters, control electronics, motors and tyres are all improving. The only issue now is how long to wait before I get an electric van. 🙂
At 7:24 you say 25 kg. But at the beginning, it is 75 kg, which agrees with 3.3 kW/kg and 250 kW. The torque you quote of 5000 Nm must be at the wheel. There must be a gearbox to reduce the speed, with a ratio of at least 10:1. This would mean 500Nm at the motor, which sounds more likely. At 5000rpm, this would give 262kW.
Don’t confuse him with math and physics 😂 He even said about the torque, it‘s at the shaft. Unfortunately he also knows so much about cars, the „the shaft“ is not leading him to the driveshaft going to the wheel, in other words: „at the wheel“. Calculating the motor‘s power from torque and rpm is way out of his realm, so 1:10 would either go up or down, depending on how impressive numbers he needs.
Eliminate the drive shaft for maximum efficiency, so dual motors direct drive at the wheels, definitely not in the wheels. A redesign of the shock absorber system would be necessary Electric Viking.
If these motors can help bring down the price of EVs and make them lighter then they will hasten the demise of the ICE vehicle. Range and price matter and with the current state of things in the US, electric cars still cannot compete in price and range with gasoline cars. I think there are many car buyers who would consider an EV purchase if it made sense in terms of their monthly payment. Motors are a key component to bring down EV prices so they are truly affordable. But it remains to be seen if these improvements actually result and better prices. I'll believe it when I see it.
Purpose of a frunk is to give room for a crumple zone. If you're in a head-on collision, the last place you want to be close to the impact with no shock absorption. Compare the difference between the old and new minis, and the old and new VW transporter/ID Buzz. The old cars had lots more space, but were death traps in a collision.
Tony Seba predicted that every new vehicle in 2025 would be electric. That includes buses and trucks. It’s literally the worst prediction I’ve ever heard about the auto industry. He is a clown who should put down the crystal ball.
@@singed8853I'm not sure this is true. I went back and looked at Tony siva's videos from 2019 and 2020 and I saw no such predictions. You may have gotten hold of some misinformation.
@@macmcleod1188I didn’t hear him say it myself - so it could be misinformation - but there’s a quote attributed to him supposedly from a conference in 2017. I’ll see if I can find it.
Electric motors in a hybrid don’t have nearly this much power. This particular motor is meant for a BEV. Now a much smaller version could be used in a hybrid.
For all the manufacturers out there, I want vehicles that deliver Model S Plaid performance at the $90k price point. This is the bar. 1200 hp is the real fun zone.
After seeing the vehicle results with the Jaguar iPace and the Fisker Ocean, I wouldn’t want to own anything that Magna makes. Give me a boring Tesla motor with 90% efficiency and 9,000 rpm max and I’m happy. At least I know it will work flawlessly for 200,000 miles.
Very interesting and enlightening, personally I think that they need to really redesign the body shells to become totally futuristic and stop any comparison with current vehicles.
My 2016 model S has way more space than the new ones in the frunk. It's not motors and I'm not sure what is taking up the space but the new frunk is a bucket compared to the large cupboard of the older model.
Great news. Electric motors have always been more efficient than ICE, but thats a different story. I wonder how this might work if there was no rare earth minerals being used? Now all we need is for battery technology to reach the same level of development and I am in.
Induction motors and Separately Excited Synchronous Motors (SESM) do not use permanent magnets. ZF the people who make they cyberTruck electric steering are working on modern Separately Excited Synchronous Motors (SESM).
The ICE car has reached its apogee. Improvements in efficiency are measured in 0.1% increments. EVs are improving by leaps and bounds due to this type of motor and CATL improvements in battery energy density. Range anxiety will gradually disappear. It's inevitable. Petrol heads can grind their teeth but it IS inevitable.
I will explain why leaps and bounds are not enough to offset the 0.1% gains in ICE efficiency in the next decade, and why Viking deceives you with such nonsense.
I just checked and it's right after '@OlivierSuire 4 hours ago A second motor is not only about power, it's also about traction.' So what's the matter with you?
Many people don't understand that EVs are technologically analogous to pre WWII ICEVs. The worst gas engine car made today would blow away the most cutting edge state of the art vehicle built in 1939. Everything changed with the research and development during the war. Automotive technology continued to advance as more and more money went to research. Now that research is turning to EV technology. Stand by folks. Good things are coming.
They really should have made the motor smaller and lighter and reduced the max power. We don't need cars that do 0-60MPH in one second. We need ones that mere mortals can afford that have a 300 mile range.
Ice vehicles have had over a 100 years to develop there cars and these days some ICE manufactures don't even build there cars to last more than 150k!, putting aside the the continuation of burning oil at an alarming rate. The EV industustry is just getting into it's stride and will evolve rapidly. At present EV's are just so much better and minor developments will continue to improve at pace, despite what the Luddites are saying!
It will be interesting to see if the range of EVs made with these motors from Magna will increase noticeably. When you combine the weight loss and the increase of electric motor efficiency some EVs might reach the magic 500 km under real world conditions.
I just want a very cheap reliable econobox car to hold me over until transport as a service arrives and I can ditch owning a personal car. This will not be for everyone but it will work for me.
Efficiency for car you need to co Suder as well to wheel. So even the electric motor is 90% efficient, when the source of electricity is from fossil fuel the efficiency drops to less than 30%, as commercial power station efficiency is around 40%.if your source of electricity is renewal then you can claim around 80%, as battery efficiency is also around 90%. We probably have around 10-15 years before battery capacity and cost will totally overshadow the IC engine. We are still not there.
There is no doubt that electric motors are more efficient than ICE. The elephant in the room is the source of energy. Batteries are getting more energy efficient but when you compare them to liquid fuel by weight, there is no comparison. It takes one gallon of gasoline (8.4 lbs) to propel a car 35 miles (rated 35 mpg) as opposed to 400 lbs of lithium batteries for the same equivalent mileage. These are older numbers and batteries are definitely getting lighter, but they have a ways to go.
It also takes 90,000 gallons of air, which weighs 90 lbs, to combust that gallon of gasoline, which then leaves 21 lbs of CO2 to be dumped into the free public sewer that our grandchildren will call "our atmosphere. You are right, there is no comparison.
35 mpg is getting into hybrid(electrification) range. The US passenger vehicle average is probably closer to 25mpg. I think a better way to look at it is that a gallon of gas has 34 Kwh of energy, so a 1000 lb/80kwh battery has the same energy storage as 2.5 gallons of gas. Assume a 260 mile range for an EV under relatively favorable conditions, you need closer to 11 gallons of gas to get there. BTW water weighs 8.4 lbs per gallon, a gallon of gas is actually lighter at about 6 lbs. So 66 lbs of gas vs 1000 lbs of batteries. ICE's ONLY advantage vs EVs, IMHO. If EVs could shed some weight, make a small incremental increase in battery storage, and get rid of the ridiculous tendency for overly large wheels/tires, the gap closes somewhat. Ways to go, absolutely agree there.
Also forgotten in this equation that batteries are reusable many thousands of times, but liquid fuel can only be used once. Add to that the additional energy costs of oil refining of about 4 kilowatts per gallon. An efficient EV can travel 18.75 miles just on the electricity used to refine that gallon.
The efficiency doesn't really impress me as 67% improvement (granting that's true - I actually doubt that but whatever) over a current EV motor that is already 92% efficient isn't a big deal for range or charging costs, but the more compact size and weight is a nice improvement that will greatly improve packaging of the powertrain in an EV.
Motors are fairly efficient already, compared to an ICE engine. What is lacking is a matching efficient power source that has a high power density. It is hard to compete with an ICE, with that burden of a battery pack to lug around, doing essentially the same as done by few gallons of gas. Ideal solution is a fuel cell that derives energy through alternate green energy sources. But building an infrastructure is not easy, let alone having a safe fuel cell approved for public utilization.
We should think fuel cell battery electric hybrids would be lighter. But, the 2024 Toyota Mirai curb weight is around 4300 lbs. (1954kg). And this, from the world's best hybrid company with a 2nd generation design. You've touched on only a few of hydrogen's limitations.
The next breakthrough in my option with EV will be solar charging. Yes I know it will not work in some countries but in others where the sun do shine more than 50% of the time it's a game changer
This is a nice little improvement. I wonder how much less copper the motor needs per kW output (if it does use less copper). The industry really needs to work on copper use in electric motors.
Can admiration find no other words? Does a current new development always have to be the 'killer' of what has proven (Even if it wasn't perfect) itself to date? If it is the killer of the obsolete, why should it be the savior of real people?
In the 1970's when the Arab oil embargo was implemented, the ICE manufacturers did little in terms of redesigning the ICE to vastly improve efficiencies and thus reduce fuel consumption and pollution. The ICE is still stuck at an abouts 30% efficiency rate with most of the fuel burnt and expelled as heat, exhaust and friction. They are now faced with a disruptive technology which will soon replace them despite losing almost 50 years of an innovation head start. Most of the improvements to the up and down motion of the piston/crankshaft engine were minor and yielded little results but the Electric motor and Battery technology are both steadily improving and within ten years eliminate the ICE. Such is disruptive innovation.
It's all about improvement in efficiency. Motors, electronics, computers, batteries, structural systems - all of these things can be made more efficient and they are doing it. The ICE car industry is pretty moribund when it comes to engineering innovation, except for exotic supercars where innovation still exists. EVs have opened a lot of doors and R&D money is being spent on improving all aspects of vehicles. The whole castings revolution Tesla ignited is going to be a big deal and will probably trickle down to ICE cars and trucks. These new smaller stronger motors are a big deal and lots of companies are working on them. Independent all-wheel drive may become quite affordable in EVs as motors get smaller and better. Ch-ch-ch-changes baby!
So basically, roughly a 30% improvement over the Model Y motor but it needs to run at twice the RPM and generates a lot more heat. I think this comes down to motor life. But I am sure it will inspire Tesla engineers to dig deeper!
I hope that’s over the entire drive cycle because 93 % is not that high for an electric motor, and 97-98% is quite normal in efficiency-demanding applications.
Yes. But battery technology is still not up to transport tasks except for bikes, scooters or micro cars. Promises to catch up in one or three years, hopefully. Meantime it is Public Transport a walking stick or occasionally, a taxi.
250kW peak power for 75kg is not special. Lucid Tech talk, drive unit explains how they extract nearly twice from the same mass but a smaller package. Future motors are likely to go way more compact and light. The efficiency is also going to go through the roof.
Question, what is the respective power to weigh, battery versus fuel cell to electric? Question 2 do you see a future where car bodies made of mounded wood fiber
Interesting how much progress has been done in motor design. I would have thought that was figured out long ago. Once you have a lean EV and 2 solar panels on the garage roof powers all its driving it's hard to see a role for ICE cars.
In an EV, the thing that creates the power is the battery. This is equivalent to the engine. Solar panels are only 20% efficient as an example. So electricity generation that charges batteries is very inefficient while electric motors are highly efficient.
One solar cell is not equivalent to one chunk of coal. You can have a larger area of solar cells producing electricity at the lower efficiency rate and still not produce any greenhouse gases, soot, or coal-burning power plants. So, the comparison is scientifically true, but not so relevant.
@markhathaway9456 I did not reference coal or global warming. I am just balancing the argument. Not everyone has a huge space to fit solar panels & therefore efficiency is still relevant. EVs are inefficient due to their weight & source of electrical production. The efficient motor cannot correct that.
@@neildolan7177 Not everyone but some do. That is not a reason to write off solar entirely. While efficient solar panels mean we need fewer the efficiency does not really matter as we don't pay for sun shine. Start your accounting after energy collection unless you looking at cost of collection which you pay for once.
Hi Sam, I hope your foot is healing well.
These advances in EVs are still surprising me, thanks for helping me keep up!
This presentation highlights what I find so frustrating when discussing the differences between electric vehicles and ice vehicles, to people who look at the current generation of electric vehicles and say that well look at it, it can’t go as far as my current ice vehicle, it’s useless for towing etc, etc. What they fail to appreciate in my view is that we are still really on generation 1.65 of EV’s And that in the coming years, we’re going to likely see enormous improvements in EV architecture that will render ice vehicles as expensive junk!
I have just stopped telling others about EVs because they just scoff at me. I dont like to waste my breath. They will find out in time.
@@noway7555Well done. You've got it. If all the other EV afficionados would do the same, then finally, finally the rest of us can have some peace and quiet. We are all continuously annoyed by idiots ramming EV trivia down our throats that we all already know and have known for years. Yet, every little detail has to be blown out of all proportions by people like Viking. Come on! An efficiency improvement of 2%? That's hardly worth mentioning. And based on the theoretical amount of room left for improvement, IC engines actually have more scope for the future in that respect.
@@hvh377much bigger improvements coming to EVs.. because the size and weight will decrease massuvely.. and we're only on 1st generation batteries.
Batteries will at least 3x in power density over the next 5 to 8 years
some would call them 'future classics'
@@hvh377 Morning Mr Angry.
I like to think of it like this; ICE is analogue and EV’s are digital.
In computing terms EV’s are already way past the floppy disc stage but there’s so much more to come.
A decade from now ICE will be the transport equivalent of vinyl with enthusiasts waxing nostalgically on about them whilst streaming the Grateful Dead on Spotify.
Batteries are still analogue.
Not really, no. According to new info and the overall behavior of car manufacturers, EVs aren't as popular as initially expected, and, realistically speaking, it will take more than 15 years before EVs can actually outsell gasoline cars, let alone bury them. EVs are still far to expensive to purchase, still have a relatively limited use, and, above all else, are even more toxic to the environment that gasoline cars. And I'm not talking about emissions, I'm talking about the toxicity to the water and soil that is near lithium-ion mines, and that is being tainted by various chemicals constantly.
For this reason we must find a different battery type, such as sodium-ion batteries, which, albeit far less potent, are much greener to make, and also much less expensive. Sure, these vehicles will not be suitable for long cruises, however around the city and in a range of up to 250 kilometers, they'll be ideal, especially since they'll replace gas cars at their most polluting, which is the city.
As such, gas cars can exist for those that need long-distance cruising, and with the development of synfuels and biofuels, their emissions can be lowered even further. Not to mention that by restricting them around town you'll decrease pollution even more.
Finally and alternatively, CNG and LPG can be used as a sole powering source for these vehicles, as they practically emit the same kind of CO2 as EVs do when recharged from the grid.
I love electric motors 💚 It started with small electric motors in RC models. Then moved on to an electric motor in a mountainbike. Then to a DIY longboard. Then to an E-Scooter. I am not sure if I really need an electric car because I do not like travelling and love being in the woods where no cars are allowed. But with every electric car that replaces an ICE car on the road, the air that I breathe in my city is certainly better than before :)
Because you moved the pollution to the countries that mine the raw materials for the batteries and the power stations that burn coal or diesel to provide the electricity to charge your GREEN car. Can you see further than the end of your nose??
Im about the same with 10 years of Ebikes. People in cities want clean air to breath,simple as that.
Are you saying that the first electric motor application was in an RC model ?
@@chefineer No. I was talking about my biography. Not history ;_)
@@jaaklucas1329 the air in cities has never been cleaner, and it is still improving, without EVs
These light-weight and powerful electric motors will be perfect for electric aircraft.
Electric cars and airplane tech will continue to cross polinate.
For aircraft you can reduce the weight by making them air cooled.
An electric aeroplane is a propeller driven aeroplane. Definitely an opening there for recreational aircraft or specific purpose aircraft but far too slow for public transport over lengthy distances, even with advanced propeller designs.
Yeah, shame about the heavy batteries tho.....
@@peeemm2032 but battery storage is at the early stages of the technology curve. in the end there will only be one. it won't be ICE
93% efficiency is pretty much industry standard. 97% is high. But efficiency figures can be deceiving, as they are usually taken at rated power and rpm. At higher or lower speeds or lower power the efficiency usually drops off dramatically. Tesla has achieved high efficiency in all conditions with their switched reluctance design. Other manufacturers consider this design to be too expensive.
Couldn’t be said any better !!! Somebody need to tell Viking to do bit of research on other makers .. he does seem to like Tesla which is why this video is absolute and not making sense .
Yes and another thing is that they state peak power 250kW but right after the motor run hot and efficiency plummeth. Tesla do not have Switched Reluctance motors and in fact no EV to my knowledge have it but it would in fact be ideal. AEM market them and have a deal with Bentley, so in a not too distant future there will hopefully be SRM's on the market.
@@jensstubbestergaard6794 Tesla has both. They use switched reluctance in front and inductance in rear.
@@royh6526 Hi Roy. SRM producers are AEM, Turntide etc. Tesla do Induction and permanent magnet motors and have to my knowledge never dabbled with SRM. Perhaps in the future Tesla will take an interest in SRM, that only have iron in the rotor.
Amazing. The pace of innovation is shocking and puts ICE to shame
And big oil on greener pasture.
Xiaomi has an in house developed e drive unit called v8s with 27,000 rpm redline,which produces 578 ps,it has a 13 hp per kg power density,more than double of what plaid drive unit has to offer,also with 98.1 percent efficiency,which will be used in su7 ultra rear drive unit.
Yeah.... It's so great that it's kind of a hinderance. I want to buy more EV's for our fleet but knowing the leaps in tech around the corner prevents me from doing so. The current Gen seems so outdated and the prices they are asking do not reflect that. When all these tech advances are implemented let's say a few years down the road, who in the world will want to buy your ancient 3 year old vehicle. So it's a big hit on the pocket book to pay high and sell really low.
Amazing but also telling how costly and expensive it is to be early adopter, both for the consumers and manufacturers. The EV technology has much innovation left but ICE cars have low levels of innovation left, a safe spot for the manufacturers and consumers, no one can take big leaps or be left behind.
@@darpompie4354, you clearly want to sell in a couple of years, then yes, but if you keep it for 10 years then who cares. Just like most ICE vehicles, after 10 years it won’t be worth much anyway.
Magna has been manufacturing automotive parts as a tier 1 OEM supplier for years. They started in Aurora Ontario Canada, 65 years ago. The auto manufacturing in Austria are more recent purchases from Chrysler and MB.
Smaller,
lighter,
less expensive,
more powerful,
faster charging,
longer range,
fewer repairs,
longer lasting.
quiet,
less polluting,
more torque,
self-driving,
lower center of gravity,
more efficient.
and we are not done yet.
Sounds good to me.
This motor is lighter, not the entire vehicle.
Battery technology has a long way to go to get the entire vehicle lighter while matching current ice range. The evs with more range than pretty much any ice right now, >600km give or take, are ludicrously expensive, big heavy monstrosities - well over two tonnes. And they dont fill up in two minutes.
I agree with everything else though.
@petercroft9895 agree but we starting to see prototypes that can charge fast also. The Polestar 5 prototype did 10% to 80% or so in 10 minutes (I think) and other batteries are similar.
@@petercroft9895 I see ocasional comparison of the model 3 with similar ICE cars and it is not heavier. But then Tesla is ahead of the curve. While it may happen the need to match ICE ranges is just an illusionary fence that EV hater have erected EV cars to jump over.
@danharold3087 Sure, an M3 LR is a similar weight to a comparable ice saloon. However, it does not come close in regards to range - which is at odds with statements made in the post that I was replying to.
Note that that does not make me an ev or Tesla hater, it is just a simple statement of fact.
If I were to want an ev with 600+ km range, and some people do, then I'd looking at a bazillion dollars worth of large, heavy Mercedes or similar.
Personally, if there was something small and simple on the market for under NZ$25k with 200km range, I'd have one in a heartbeat for around town. I don't need or want sub 5 second 0-60 times, or a gaggle of intrusive electronic nannies for that.
@@petercroft9895 Lost my interest when you said you wanted an EV with the same range as a ICE car. This has been beat to death with a stick and I don't want to burn time on it. Either you get it or you don't and there is no changing your mind.
Motor more efficient + battery more efficient produces exponential increases in efficiency like a 2% battery efficiency increase plus a 3% motor efficiency increase can result in more than a 5% increase in range
Nice to hear you back at reporting the news in the field. Thanks.
SiC means silicon carbide semiconductors used to switch power in the inverter. They are faster than silicon, handle more power than Gallium Nitride (a competing technology, possible for smaller motors), can run hotter, but are more expensive.
Thanks Sam, some impressive technology there.
My money is going on all four wheels having their own motor, so that torque can be applied individually to each tyre. This will then improve handling and reduce wear while increasing efficiency - overall tyre to ground efficiency. It just needs the right software integration and optimisation. And, of course, cheap (Not Small) enough motors.
The motor would also have to be small as well as cheap and light.
@@rogerfroud300 yes, of course, but small already exists. High powered, and small wheel motors have been around for ages, but the principal is still too expensive to employ. Not for long it seems!
The problem here is wheel motors are unsprung mass. For some vehicles that does not matter much. It is not one size fits all.
@@danharold3087 agreed, there are issues to be worked out! It will be interesting but I still believe it’s the inevitable end point although vehicles will still vary such that they continue to be fit for purpose of course.
On luxury/performance cars, sure. The minimal extra cost on a $70k car would be trivial. The addition on economy cars, not so much. Two will get it done and still manage AWD and redundancy. Its hard to imagine motors costing less than $250 any time soon and adding $500 to the price of an economy car would be prohibitive in a competitive market ( BYD vs Tesla). The economy car buyer would be less enthusiastic about the high speed performance of the car. (More "Just get me there" buyers.)
On the higher end, absolutely.
EVs are still a developing industry. It's hard to say how good they will be in 10 years. ICE vehicles are only making tiny incremental improvements.
If the same amount of investment was been out into ICEs,who knows what that would lead to.
and even without any major advancement ev is 90% efficient.
@@keithhooper6123Not really. The same amount of investment - and more - *has* been made for combustion engines, over the last 100+ years.
There's just not that much more that can be done with them.
@@keithhooper6123 ICE is already a mature technology. They have tried just about everything there is to try already. That's why they only make small incremental changes now. EVs are just getting started. Batteries will improve dramatically. Motors will improve dramatically. Charging will improve dramatically. In Tesla, FSD will improve dramatically.
@@keithhooper6123 Ah, a dead end? After 120+ years.
And a suitable airplane motor.
The high performance batteries and compact, powerful engines can mean useful range for airplanes.
Coming in the future, maybe at the end of the century, I won’t be here to see it, and depends on how old you are, you won’t be here either.
There are already electric aircraft in the pipeline or in development that will have sufficient range for short flights. For example, Vancouver, British Columbia to Victoria on Vancouver Island. It's only about 30 km Harbour Air already has a test airplane in operation.
@@rogermartinez78 Prototype electric planes are flying now. Alice is a 9 seater commuter prototype.
@@rogermartinez78 certified electric aircraft Velis Electro from Pipistrel already flying for years, perfect aircraft for flight training and short sightseeing flight.
@@danharold3087 great! :)
I am excited to see the specs on next years EVs equipped with these new motors
The most advancement in converting electrical energy to range will come from the batteries. They need to become lighter and more energy dense. Next would the to decease the drag coefficient. But of course reducing weight is a huge factor as a BEV (and ICEVs) mostly moves itself as opposed to its occupants. Aptera is making a lot of progress on that front.
This motor's lighter weight has to be a godsend to heavier EVs
Loving the tech improvements in EV's and waiting for small but 250 mile range and safe cars around £20k!!!
That's impressive. Just keeps getting better and better.
An IC engine's heat is not wasted if it's cold outside--it's used to heat the cabin.
You are wasting 4 out of 5 liters of fuel you put into your car, it's a VERY expensive cabin heating, and environmentally completely absurd. While an ICE car has an overall efficiency of around 20% an EV has 70% and more.
@@chriswilliams8607 ICE is approaching 30%, Toyota claim to be working towards 50%
@@chefineer ICE stands no chance against electric motors. The efficiency of a combustion engine is theoretically limited at around 50%, in reality around 30% (electric motor 90% and above) and the combustion engine achieves that in a very narrow band of operation, while the powercurve of an electric engine is pretty flat.
In cars, this leads to the reality that overall efficiency of ICE cars is around 20%, while EVs are 70% and above (Tesla Model 3 above 80%)
Look at the performance curve of a modern electric motor and compare that to a combustion engine, then you know why ICE cars are a terrible idea we need to get rid of ASAP.
In high traffic situations or inner city driving the story get's even worse, there we are not talking about EV real life efficiency 3 times higher, but somewhere between 4 and 5 times higher.
Toyota has completely failed in EVs, so they are desperately trying to push for ICE, which is insane.
@@chriswilliams8607 You need to consider the holistic system. IE, the weight of the motor + batteries
All your saying by quoting efficiency, is, which type of vehicle travels furthest per kWh of energy consumed
But they don't start off with the same fuel sources
Both ICE and EV need to carry their energy source with them, as weight
How much does a 'kWh of electricity' weigh ?
Current EV batteries range from 200Wh to 400Wh per kg. In other words to get 1kWh of electricity you need to carry upto 5kgs of weight (assuming 100% efficiency in conversion from battery to wheels)
A kWh of petrol weighs under 100g (0.1kg)
Multiply that by 4 to account for 25% efficiency and it's only 0.4kg.
How efficient is an electric car in terms of miles/kg of energy when compared to ICE ? It's actually pretty poor isn't it. Even granting an EV 100% efficiency it still weighs considerably more than liquid fossil fuel, because, you have to carry the full weight of the batteries, even when they have no power left
@@chriswilliams8607 Motor efficiency has always been high. They're a simple machine. Only better magnets can make much of a difference
"ICE stands no chance against electric motors. " We had ICE and EV 100 years ago....which prevailed and became the most practical ?
The EV motor industry catches up with Lucid (is based on a very compact EV motor). It is indeed great for smaller cars with hopefully low price.
Piece by piece, day by day, we are getting better and better electric vehicles. Batteries, inverters, control electronics, motors and tyres are all improving. The only issue now is how long to wait before I get an electric van. 🙂
Best channel
Thanks Sam
At 7:24 you say 25 kg. But at the beginning, it is 75 kg, which agrees with 3.3 kW/kg and 250 kW.
The torque you quote of 5000 Nm must be at the wheel.
There must be a gearbox to reduce the speed, with a ratio of at least 10:1. This would mean 500Nm at the motor, which sounds more likely. At 5000rpm, this would give 262kW.
Don’t confuse him with math and physics 😂
He even said about the torque, it‘s at the shaft. Unfortunately he also knows so much about cars, the „the shaft“ is not leading him to the driveshaft going to the wheel, in other words: „at the wheel“.
Calculating the motor‘s power from torque and rpm is way out of his realm, so 1:10 would either go up or down, depending on how impressive numbers he needs.
Eliminate the drive shaft for maximum efficiency, so dual motors direct drive at the wheels, definitely not in the wheels. A redesign of the shock absorber system would be necessary Electric Viking.
If these motors can help bring down the price of EVs and make them lighter then they will hasten the demise of the ICE vehicle. Range and price matter and with the current state of things in the US, electric cars still cannot compete in price and range with gasoline cars. I think there are many car buyers who would consider an EV purchase if it made sense in terms of their monthly payment. Motors are a key component to bring down EV prices so they are truly affordable. But it remains to be seen if these improvements actually result and better prices. I'll believe it when I see it.
Purpose of a frunk is to give room for a crumple zone.
If you're in a head-on collision, the last place you want to be close to the impact with no shock absorption.
Compare the difference between the old and new minis, and the old and new VW transporter/ID Buzz.
The old cars had lots more space, but were death traps in a collision.
Tony Seba can see where we are going to end up with this.... Sam, you should do a live interview with Seba, that would be great!
Good plan Carl, then follow up with comments from Elon .
Tony Seba predicted that every new vehicle in 2025 would be electric. That includes buses and trucks. It’s literally the worst prediction I’ve ever heard about the auto industry.
He is a clown who should put down the crystal ball.
@@singed8853I'm not sure this is true. I went back and looked at Tony siva's videos from 2019 and 2020 and I saw no such predictions.
You may have gotten hold of some misinformation.
@@macmcleod1188I didn’t hear him say it myself - so it could be misinformation - but there’s a quote attributed to him supposedly from a conference in 2017. I’ll see if I can find it.
Sounds like a good motor for aviation applications.
That’s great news . This will help the hybrid reduce petrol consumption on cars
That is great news for battery electric vehicles. Hybrids should be avoided at all costs.
Yes, and maybe they can also find a way to incorporate DVD players with movie streaming devices 🤣
indeed, these constant innovations will help hybrids to become extinct even sooner. good riddance.
Electric motors in a hybrid don’t have nearly this much power. This particular motor is meant for a BEV. Now a much smaller version could be used in a hybrid.
Hybrids are selling but electric viking has convinced me that they are simply the worst of both worlds for most consumers.
All the innovation is going on at parts suppliers.
For all the manufacturers out there, I want vehicles that deliver Model S Plaid performance at the $90k price point. This is the bar. 1200 hp is the real fun zone.
EVs are just getting started. Mass production of these cool parts is hard and keeps improvements slow
Thanks for showing this motor. How does it compare to the tesla motor?
5:04 Like this one
I Drive Acura's New Electric SUV For The First Time! ZDX Type S Full Tour, Charging, & Road Test
Out of Spec Reviews
Drive unit gets smaller, while car gets bigger. Makes absolute sense!
After seeing the vehicle results with the Jaguar iPace and the Fisker Ocean, I wouldn’t want to own anything that Magna makes. Give me a boring Tesla motor with 90% efficiency and 9,000 rpm max and I’m happy. At least I know it will work flawlessly for 200,000 miles.
These efficiency gains will be even more valuable for electric airplanes and flying vehicles of all types.
Why am I hearing "The Jetsons" theme song in my head.
What is it Benchmark against?
Thanks អរគុណ❤
Very interesting and enlightening, personally I think that they need to really redesign the body shells to become totally futuristic and stop any comparison with current vehicles.
You mainly think about the battery but this new advance in smaller and more powerful motors is a game changer.
Only in combination with many other small advances. Tey add up.
Another day another miracle
My 2016 model S has way more space than the new ones in the frunk. It's not motors and I'm not sure what is taking up the space but the new frunk is a bucket compared to the large cupboard of the older model.
Great news. Electric motors have always been more efficient than ICE, but thats a different story. I wonder how this might work if there was no rare earth minerals being used? Now all we need is for battery technology to reach the same level of development and I am in.
Induction motors and Separately Excited Synchronous Motors (SESM) do not use permanent magnets. ZF the people who make they cyberTruck electric steering are working on modern Separately Excited Synchronous Motors (SESM).
@@danharold3087 Whatever happened to hairpin motors?
@@GolLeeMe Alive and well. I think the CT uses them.
Give the motor another few decades. All possibilities are open.
The ICE car has reached its apogee. Improvements in efficiency are measured in 0.1% increments. EVs are improving by leaps and bounds due to this type of motor and CATL improvements in battery energy density. Range anxiety will gradually disappear. It's inevitable. Petrol heads can grind their teeth but it IS inevitable.
I will explain why leaps and bounds are not enough to offset the 0.1% gains in ICE efficiency in the next decade, and why Viking deceives you with such nonsense.
@@aussieideasman8498 Go ahead I'm waiting.
@@johnfrancis4401 I did it 3 hours before you started waiting. Has the Viking removed it?
I just checked and it's right after '@OlivierSuire 4 hours ago
A second motor is not only about power, it's also about traction.' So what's the matter with you?
Thanks. An I hope things improving for you. M
Good one !
Many people don't understand that EVs are technologically analogous to pre WWII ICEVs. The worst gas engine car made today would blow away the most cutting edge state of the art vehicle built in 1939. Everything changed with the research and development during the war. Automotive technology continued to advance as more and more money went to research. Now that research is turning to EV technology. Stand by folks. Good things are coming.
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They really should have made the motor smaller and lighter and reduced the max power. We don't need cars that do 0-60MPH in one second. We need ones that mere mortals can afford that have a 300 mile range.
THIS!
They will, this tech will be in everything.
This will reduce the need for dual/three motors which have become common in electric cars.
@@beeswaxlover It's even possible that the new AI will help these technologists to produce better stuff.
@@fozz878 Two motors can save you the need for a differential. This plus a little software is more efficient.
Doesn't Saab EV have in-wheel electric motors?
Wow a electric motor that is 165% efficient, have one drive another as a generator, perpetual motion and you are able to draw off power.
Ice vehicles have had over a 100 years to develop there cars and these days some ICE manufactures don't even build there cars to last more than 150k!, putting aside the the continuation of burning oil at an alarming rate. The EV industustry is just getting into it's stride and will evolve rapidly. At present EV's are just so much better and minor developments will continue to improve at pace, despite what the Luddites are saying!
All electric motors are at least 95% efficient if they are any good.
Now lets keep improving those batteries
It will be interesting to see if the range of EVs made with these motors from Magna will increase noticeably.
When you combine the weight loss and the increase of electric motor efficiency some EVs might reach the magic 500 km under real world conditions.
Morning mate
I would like to know how this compares to the motors in Tesla M3
Exactly!
I just want a very cheap reliable econobox car to hold me over until transport as a service arrives and I can ditch owning a personal car. This will not be for everyone but it will work for me.
I'm wondering about something. What is the efficiency of the Elaphe in-wheel electric motor?
Efficiency for car you need to co Suder as well to wheel. So even the electric motor is 90% efficient, when the source of electricity is from fossil fuel the efficiency drops to less than 30%, as commercial power station efficiency is around 40%.if your source of electricity is renewal then you can claim around 80%, as battery efficiency is also around 90%. We probably have around 10-15 years before battery capacity and cost will totally overshadow the IC engine. We are still not there.
There is no doubt that electric motors are more efficient than ICE. The elephant in the room is the source of energy. Batteries are getting more energy efficient but when you compare them to liquid fuel by weight, there is no comparison. It takes one gallon of gasoline (8.4 lbs) to propel a car 35 miles (rated 35 mpg) as opposed to 400 lbs of lithium batteries for the same equivalent mileage. These are older numbers and batteries are definitely getting lighter, but they have a ways to go.
It also takes 90,000 gallons of air, which weighs 90 lbs, to combust that gallon of gasoline, which then leaves 21 lbs of CO2 to be dumped into the free public sewer that our grandchildren will call "our atmosphere. You are right, there is no comparison.
35 mpg is getting into hybrid(electrification) range. The US passenger vehicle average is probably closer to 25mpg. I think a better way to look at it is that a gallon of gas has 34 Kwh of energy, so a 1000 lb/80kwh battery has the same energy storage as 2.5 gallons of gas.
Assume a 260 mile range for an EV under relatively favorable conditions, you need closer to 11 gallons of gas to get there. BTW water weighs 8.4 lbs per gallon, a gallon of gas is actually lighter at about 6 lbs. So 66 lbs of gas vs 1000 lbs of batteries. ICE's ONLY advantage vs EVs, IMHO. If EVs could shed some weight, make a small incremental increase in battery storage, and get rid of the ridiculous tendency for overly large wheels/tires, the gap closes somewhat. Ways to go, absolutely agree there.
@@jamesphillips2961 24.5 MPG average is the figure that I've heard for the US fleet.
Also forgotten in this equation that batteries are reusable many thousands of times, but liquid fuel can only be used once. Add to that the additional energy costs of oil refining of about 4 kilowatts per gallon. An efficient EV can travel 18.75 miles just on the electricity used to refine that gallon.
@@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874 The reality is were trading one environmental impact for another.
The efficiency doesn't really impress me as 67% improvement (granting that's true - I actually doubt that but whatever) over a current EV motor that is already 92% efficient isn't a big deal for range or charging costs, but the more compact size and weight is a nice improvement that will greatly improve packaging of the powertrain in an EV.
Motors are fairly efficient already, compared to an ICE engine. What is lacking is a matching efficient power source that has a high power density. It is hard to compete with an ICE, with that burden of a battery pack to lug around, doing essentially the same as done by few gallons of gas. Ideal solution is a fuel cell that derives energy through alternate green energy sources. But building an infrastructure is not easy, let alone having a safe fuel cell approved for public utilization.
We should think fuel cell battery electric hybrids would be lighter. But, the 2024 Toyota Mirai curb weight is around 4300 lbs. (1954kg). And this, from the world's best hybrid company with a 2nd generation design. You've touched on only a few of hydrogen's limitations.
is it from LG magna or another subsidies from Magna?
The next breakthrough in my option with EV will be solar charging. Yes I know it will not work in some countries but in others where the sun do shine more than 50% of the time it's a game changer
A solar roof with a powerwall or equivalent is the nightmare of both oil and electrical companies.
Wake up from ur dream my friend ,
THIS IS ALREADY A REALITY
Where can an individual purchase? Want to convert Porsche Boxster, really desire in wheel hub motor to allow large battery pack.
7:10 the shaft torque should be equal to the wheel torque. 5000 Nm is not unusual at the wheel. It is unusual at the motor!
How about comparing in-wheel motors, like in Aptera, to this new Magna motor?
Magna is the contract builder of the Fisker Ocean , I don't think Fisker is long for the road.
I am not convinced it is Magna's fault. They produce good cars for others that most people don't realize are contract build cars.
150 Lbs - But it takes an 800 LB battery to run it. So, that 50Lb savings is neglagible... not a big deal.
Will it last?
Which of Magna’s manufacturers will use this new motor and if so, in which models?
This is a nice little improvement. I wonder how much less copper the motor needs per kW output (if it does use less copper). The industry really needs to work on copper use in electric motors.
Switch them all to 1000V.
Are they improved high speed efficiency as well ?
I'm not sure if they're any good Fisker Jag Mm.
Can admiration find no other words? Does a current new development always have to be the 'killer' of what has proven (Even if it wasn't perfect) itself to date?
If it is the killer of the obsolete, why should it be the savior of real people?
"These Electric Motors will kill" never a truer word spoken.
In the 1970's when the Arab oil embargo was implemented, the ICE manufacturers did little in terms of redesigning the ICE to vastly improve efficiencies and thus reduce fuel consumption and pollution. The ICE is still stuck at an abouts 30% efficiency rate with most of the fuel burnt and expelled as heat, exhaust and friction. They are now faced with a disruptive technology which will soon replace them despite losing almost 50 years of an innovation head start. Most of the improvements to the up and down motion of the piston/crankshaft engine were minor and yielded little results but the Electric motor and Battery technology are both steadily improving and within ten years eliminate the ICE. Such is disruptive innovation.
Rivian just made there oun motors, was using Bosch.
It's all about improvement in efficiency. Motors, electronics, computers, batteries, structural systems - all of these things can be made more efficient and they are doing it. The ICE car industry is pretty moribund when it comes to engineering innovation, except for exotic supercars where innovation still exists. EVs have opened a lot of doors and R&D money is being spent on improving all aspects of vehicles. The whole castings revolution Tesla ignited is going to be a big deal and will probably trickle down to ICE cars and trucks. These new smaller stronger motors are a big deal and lots of companies are working on them. Independent all-wheel drive may become quite affordable in EVs as motors get smaller and better.
Ch-ch-ch-changes baby!
Hi Sam, how this motor compares to the newest Tesla motor (powering Model S Plaid) running at up to 20000 rpm?
Tesla has developed other motors since the plaid.
@@danharold3087 Which ones? I was referring to those with rheumatoid arthritis carbon sleeve.
Cheaper, less Weight... More rotation, more bearing problems... I have some doubs..
So basically, roughly a 30% improvement over the Model Y motor but it needs to run at twice the RPM and generates a lot more heat. I think this comes down to motor life. But I am sure it will inspire Tesla engineers to dig deeper!
I hope that’s over the entire drive cycle because 93 % is not that high for an electric motor, and 97-98% is quite normal in efficiency-demanding applications.
Interesting. Thanks for the video.
Yes. But battery technology is still not up to transport tasks except for bikes, scooters or micro cars. Promises to catch up in one or three years, hopefully. Meantime it is Public Transport a walking stick or occasionally, a taxi.
Radial flux? Axial flux? No mention, or did I miss it?
250kW peak power for 75kg is not special. Lucid Tech talk, drive unit explains how they extract nearly twice from the same mass but a smaller package. Future motors are likely to go way more compact and light. The efficiency is also going to go through the roof.
Any comparison to Tesla’s motors?
Question, what is the respective power to weigh, battery versus fuel cell to electric?
Question 2 do you see a future where car bodies made of mounded wood fiber
Interesting how much progress has been done in motor design. I would have thought that was figured out long ago.
Once you have a lean EV and 2 solar panels on the garage roof powers all its driving it's hard to see a role for ICE cars.
These innovations just mean that depreciation is going to be huge
In an EV, the thing that creates the power is the battery. This is equivalent to the engine. Solar panels are only 20% efficient as an example. So electricity generation that charges batteries is very inefficient while electric motors are highly efficient.
The battery if anything, is equivalent to the tank of fuel.
One solar cell is not equivalent to one chunk of coal. You can have a larger area of solar cells producing electricity at the lower efficiency rate and still not produce any greenhouse gases, soot, or coal-burning power plants. So, the comparison is scientifically true, but not so relevant.
@markhathaway9456 I did not reference coal or global warming. I am just balancing the argument. Not everyone has a huge space to fit solar panels & therefore efficiency is still relevant. EVs are inefficient due to their weight & source of electrical production. The efficient motor cannot correct that.
@@markhathaway9456 A chunk of coal i energy from the sun stored away a long time ago. A solar cell will continue to gather but not store energy.
@@neildolan7177 Not everyone but some do. That is not a reason to write off solar entirely. While efficient solar panels mean we need fewer the efficiency does not really matter as we don't pay for sun shine. Start your accounting after energy collection unless you looking at cost of collection which you pay for once.