If you are a dedicated handgunner, and always looking for an advantage, just man up and get one of these... You are going to end up there eventually, might as will make it sooner than later.
The prototype that I am holding is in the white, not stainless. There are no plans to make one stainless, though hard chrome might possibly happen. Later.
So does this mean the old design of the staccato is gone (I'm talking about the squared slide front end)? I like the way the old on looks compared to this one. Also, can you recommend a place to pick up a staccato-p, everywhere I've looked is out of stock. Great vid
AJ A The legacy square nose is replaced by the current nose profile. I bought my first one via Gunbroker and it was the only one available. I suggest browsing there diligently.
I also wish that they could make a really inexpensive gun that has all their most expensive to produce, machining and labor intensive features. The budget carry gun you seek would be a Glock MOS with a drop in aftermarket barrel and comp.
Thanks Hilton! Any updates on the DVC line? Will there be a DVC C for 2020 or is the Staccato C2 taking it's place? I have a Staccato P DUO largely because of your reviews, thanks again.
The DVC line is going away in name, and absorbed into the Staccato line. For example, the DVC-P/Omni is now the Staccato XC. The DVC-C is giving way to the C2. I think the super hot ticket will be the C2 DUO.
108Performance Thank you for that info. Besides an extra 8 rounds, any ideas what the main differences between the Staccato C DUO and the C2 DUO are? I know full details haven’t be released, but all I can tell is extra capacity and 800 dollar difference. I will be buying one of these two models as soon as they are available. I really like the C2 DUO, but If all things are equal, is essentially 100 dollars per extra round of capacity worth it? Thanks for the input!
@@tcpowerlifter The C is a single stack gun, the C2 a double stack true 2011 design and is compatible with the other 2011 grip modules. The C is unique and not compatible with other grips. I think the C2 DUO will be the hot ticket as a general use pistol. As far as whether the extra rounds are worth it, that's for you (or your credit card) to decide, but I don't ever feel like I regret having more rounds available.
You should check out Cosaint Arms out of NC, they have a more production style/carry 1911 with less felt recoil. The developer/owner of the company has been in outdoor retail for and created a great product. They will be everywhere in 2020!
@@108Performance ranier arms and arzenarms have c2s in stock. Also if you're doing rmr dont get the duo buy the regular c2 and have chambers custom mill it with their plate, it sits very low in the slide
2 questions: 1) Do you know the trigger weight on the new Staccato XC? 2) do you know if these incorporate the thinner RMR plates you love talked about in the past? Thank you!
The XC and XL have 2.5-3 lb competition weight trigger pulls. The new RMR plates are more of a rolling change (changed as supply runs out) vs a specific model change, so I can't say when they'll appear and the factory might not be able to pinpoint it either.
Hopefully the black version doesn't come out too long afterwards. I'm looking for a staccato c2 duo with the black barrel but every store right now only has them in silver. Do you know if the staccato c2 120mm flush fit mag comes in black?
Not sure what non black version you're referencing - the silver Staccato P prototype is in the white, meaning bare metal without any finish. Barrel color is not a selectable option, all 2020 models have natural stainless barrels. The black mags are only 140mm.
@@108Performance the staccato c comes in two options. Silver stainless steel barrel and a black dlc coated barrel. I'm waiting for the black dlc version for the staccato c2.
Any word on a restock for the flush 2011 base pads? Disappointed that the 120mm mag isn't flush like they claim it is but that flush carry baseplate will help a little.
2-3 weeks. Not sure how much more flush you'd want the 120mm mag, you can only get so close with a detachable base pad due to the necessary tube length for attachment.
@@108Performance for a carry gun when I think of flush I think of no magazine sticking out the bottom whatsoever, it all plugs into the grip with the baseplate barely sticking out of the bottom of the grip it you're looking at the gun sideways. You know what I mean?
Kinda underwhelming to be honest, I prefer the old grips/ the only gun I see being super improved it the carry option, seems like they nerfed the staccato tbh
Love the single stack. But in my humble opinion. I'm old school a single stack should have been and all steel frame. Like the classic STIs of yore. The Duty one ,the Lawman etc. Just my 0.2.
There are already a ton of all steel 1911s over the last 100+ years, this is something fresh. The recoil impulse mitigation is noticeable. Also the build quality of the steel chassis component is leaps and bounds superior to the old guns.
@@108Performance I understand. I see it's a pretty cool concept. But a a former Army Tanker for many years. I guess I'm set in my old ways. Human nature I guess. I bet back in 1911 the old guys didn't like the new 1911s either. And wanted to stick with their 1873 SAAs. But foward motion is inevitable and valuable. Not trying to be oppositional. Jus an old school Veteran set in my old ways. Thanks for sharing.
@@108Performance Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't a polymer frame INCREASE felt recoil? When the slide hits the end of its rearward travel, all of the excess energy would be departed into the frame, and a steel frame would have more mass and, therefore, take more energy to move, thus reducing the energy departed into your hand. In my experience firing steel framed guns and polymer framed guns, I have noticed that the polymer framed guns are more "flippy" than the steel framed guns. (Granted, maybe all of the polymer framed guns I have shot all have a higher bore axis than the steel framed guns I have shot, but that doesn't seem likely to me.) Is there something "special" about the new STI frame that makes it absorb recoil better?
I definitely preferred the aesthetics of the 4.15” staccato p, I am a big fan of the new grip modules though. Great video!
I have a Staccato C Duo on order with my local gun shop...can't wait!
I'm pretty excited about the C2 and R.
I hope this is going to be a production model because its what have been waiting for.
If you are a dedicated handgunner, and always looking for an advantage, just man up and get one of these... You are going to end up there eventually, might as will make it sooner than later.
These are absolutely beautiful guns.
Cool video... good stuff.👍
Definitely ready for these to come out
Looking forward to more updates on the 'R'. Keep up the great work
The staccato P stainless that is.
The prototype that I am holding is in the white, not stainless. There are no plans to make one stainless, though hard chrome might possibly happen. Later.
Can't wait to get my hands on a C2!
Ranier arms and arzenarms have them in stock
I'd love it if they have a stainless version.
I think they are going to offer a special edition Texas Ranger hard chrome finish soon.
I just need the VIP grip module....
So does this mean the old design of the staccato is gone (I'm talking about the squared slide front end)? I like the way the old on looks compared to this one. Also, can you recommend a place to pick up a staccato-p, everywhere I've looked is out of stock. Great vid
AJ A The legacy square nose is replaced by the current nose profile. I bought my first one via Gunbroker and it was the only one available. I suggest browsing there diligently.
@@108Performance thank you!
Pictures don't do this Staccato P justice. Looks so much better in this video. It looks sexy in the black and stainless steel finish
It's not stainless, it's *unfinished* carbon steel. They do not make stainless guns. Hard chrome might happen though.
@@108Performance Thanks for the clarification. How do you like the previous model compared to the updated model of the Staccato P?
I just wish they would make a budget carry 2011 w/rmr cut and compensator
I also wish that they could make a really inexpensive gun that has all their most expensive to produce, machining and labor intensive features. The budget carry gun you seek would be a Glock MOS with a drop in aftermarket barrel and comp.
@@108Performance The Shadow Systems may be interesting chose in this case .
Thanks Hilton! Any updates on the DVC line? Will there be a DVC C for 2020 or is the Staccato C2 taking it's place? I have a Staccato P DUO largely because of your reviews, thanks again.
The DVC line is going away in name, and absorbed into the Staccato line. For example, the DVC-P/Omni is now the Staccato XC. The DVC-C is giving way to the C2. I think the super hot ticket will be the C2 DUO.
@@108Performance Thanks for the update!
108Performance
Thank you for that info. Besides an extra 8 rounds, any ideas what the main differences between the Staccato C DUO and the C2 DUO are? I know full details haven’t be released, but all I can tell is extra capacity and 800 dollar difference. I will be buying one of these two models as soon as they are available. I really like the C2 DUO, but If all things are equal, is essentially 100 dollars per extra round of capacity worth it? Thanks for the input!
@@tcpowerlifter The C is a single stack gun, the C2 a double stack true 2011 design and is compatible with the other 2011 grip modules. The C is unique and not compatible with other grips. I think the C2 DUO will be the hot ticket as a general use pistol. As far as whether the extra rounds are worth it, that's for you (or your credit card) to decide, but I don't ever feel like I regret having more rounds available.
108Performance
Thank you so much for the info. I really like the C2 DUO. Can’t wait until they before available.
I would just love to own an STI period. Someday they will be in my price range.
You should check out Cosaint Arms out of NC, they have a more production style/carry 1911 with less felt recoil. The developer/owner of the company has been in outdoor retail for and created a great product. They will be everywhere in 2020!
They really should make a flush fit mag for the C2.
They already do, it's the 120mm 16rd 9mm mag.
Trading C for a C2, now. Thank you for the video. I've been waiting for this info. Any chance of a C2 with milling for an RMR if it's "glock sized?"
The C2 will be available in a DUO variant, which will be RMR compatible.
@@108Performance I'm In! Take. My. Money. NOW!
@@108Performance ranier arms and arzenarms have c2s in stock. Also if you're doing rmr dont get the duo buy the regular c2 and have chambers custom mill it with their plate, it sits very low in the slide
2 questions: 1) Do you know the trigger weight on the new Staccato XC? 2) do you know if these incorporate the thinner RMR plates you love talked about in the past? Thank you!
The XC and XL have 2.5-3 lb competition weight trigger pulls. The new RMR plates are more of a rolling change (changed as supply runs out) vs a specific model change, so I can't say when they'll appear and the factory might not be able to pinpoint it either.
Man that P makes me think it would look good in chrome.
Will the tool-less commander length guiderod be available to buy standalone? I presume its a scaled down dawson prec?
Gennaro Strangis It’s available from Dawson.
Hopefully the black version doesn't come out too long afterwards. I'm looking for a staccato c2 duo with the black barrel but every store right now only has them in silver. Do you know if the staccato c2 120mm flush fit mag comes in black?
Not sure what non black version you're referencing - the silver Staccato P prototype is in the white, meaning bare metal without any finish. Barrel color is not a selectable option, all 2020 models have natural stainless barrels. The black mags are only 140mm.
@@108Performance the staccato c comes in two options. Silver stainless steel barrel and a black dlc coated barrel. I'm waiting for the black dlc version for the staccato c2.
Any word on a restock for the flush 2011 base pads? Disappointed that the 120mm mag isn't flush like they claim it is but that flush carry baseplate will help a little.
2-3 weeks. Not sure how much more flush you'd want the 120mm mag, you can only get so close with a detachable base pad due to the necessary tube length for attachment.
@@108Performance for a carry gun when I think of flush I think of no magazine sticking out the bottom whatsoever, it all plugs into the grip with the baseplate barely sticking out of the bottom of the grip it you're looking at the gun sideways. You know what I mean?
When do the 2020 models hit the market?
They started shipping a few weeks ago, stocking dealers have had them (briefly...before they sold).
Now
Kinda underwhelming to be honest, I prefer the old grips/ the only gun I see being super improved it the carry option, seems like they nerfed the staccato tbh
That C2 better have a optics cut. lol.
The C2 will be available as an optic capable DUO variant, as will the P.
Does the new 2020 Staccato P come with the same Tactical Slim Magwell or is it different?
That's not 100% decided as yet. I run mine without a mag well to reduce the profile.
@@108Performance Cool even if it doesn't come with their magwell I can always add it later.
Can a staccato c be regripped into a staccato c2?
No, the frames are not compatible in that manner.
Any threaded barrel 9mm models?
Corey Condit Not in this immediate release. In consideration, so we’ll have to see.
Nice but as all my STIs it will need to be 45ACP.
Looks like Robocop’s gun if he was built in 2027.
😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋
Love the single stack. But in my humble opinion. I'm old school a single stack should have been and all steel frame. Like the classic STIs of yore. The Duty one ,the Lawman etc. Just my 0.2.
There are already a ton of all steel 1911s over the last 100+ years, this is something fresh. The recoil impulse mitigation is noticeable. Also the build quality of the steel chassis component is leaps and bounds superior to the old guns.
@@108Performance I understand. I see it's a pretty cool concept. But a a former Army Tanker for many years. I guess I'm set in my old ways. Human nature I guess. I bet back in 1911 the old guys didn't like the new 1911s either. And wanted to stick with their 1873 SAAs. But foward motion is inevitable and valuable. Not trying to be oppositional. Jus an old school Veteran set in my old ways. Thanks for sharing.
108Performance
Has the delivery date or time frame been identified for the Staccato C2 & C duo?
Ralph Robles we’re as old as we believe. You might just like it.
@@108Performance Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't a polymer frame INCREASE felt recoil? When the slide hits the end of its rearward travel, all of the excess energy would be departed into the frame, and a steel frame would have more mass and, therefore, take more energy to move, thus reducing the energy departed into your hand.
In my experience firing steel framed guns and polymer framed guns, I have noticed that the polymer framed guns are more "flippy" than the steel framed guns. (Granted, maybe all of the polymer framed guns I have shot all have a higher bore axis than the steel framed guns I have shot, but that doesn't seem likely to me.)
Is there something "special" about the new STI frame that makes it absorb recoil better?