Larry Vickers Podcast Ep. 13: Stacatto 2011 Presented by Firearms Trainers Association
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2020
- Larry goes into the history of the 2011 platform, his experience with it while he was at the Unit and as a pistolsmith. He discusses the big improvement in reliability that the new owners have brought about and how the 2011 is becoming more accepted in the tactical world as a duty pistol.
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Nobody talks with more passion and deeper knowledge about firearms than Larry. Every time it's a masterclass.
I could say the same for Travis Hailey and Chris Costa.
Ian from Forgotten Weapons has entered the chat.
I'm not here to hear about firearms .. I'm here to hear about the STACCATO!!
😂😁
It’s a master class and how to be a criminal.
The Staccato P is absolutely worth every penny you spend on it.
Listening to Larry is like having a cool badass uncle who knows a lot and has stories to go with it.
By far the BEST review/discussion about STI/Stacatto that I have seen. LV an amazing dude...I was at the two-four so I know he is freakin squared away for damn sure!
Took my new C2 to the range last weekend. Lubed as Dawson instructs when you buy direct from him. 400 rounds of CCI 115gr and 100 Winchester duty 147gr JHP with zero malfunctions. After years behind some striker guns (still like the ones I have) this was a refreshing return to my 1911 roots but with the modern capacity and functionality. As Farris Buehler said… “if you have the means, I highly recommend it….”.
I cant believed i missed this episode.. Larry is a master with this platform.. Great man with insane level of knowledge and skill. .. Great American and Patriot
Thanks Larry for this informative presentation!
These videos are awesome Larry. Love em.
These videos have been solid gold so far. I am a sponge sucking up all this great knowledge from Larry!
Wonderful watch! Thx LAV !!
Awesome video. Really enjoy hearing Larry educate us. Really appreciate the insight. My P DPO came in last week. Gonna mount an RMR & SureFire on it this afternoon.
Fully agree - Shawn Armstrong has been great to work with. Same with Buck Pierson. Great service from STI/Staccato.
“Deadass reliable” made me chuckle
Please keep doing these videos! Love em. I did not realize the massive changes when STI became Staccato. Thank you kindly for all the things you have done for this country. God bless.
Larry love these man. You got to do a BCM rifle now and no were not tired of it.
Super detailed information, broken down in a way that can be understood by all. Thank you for sharing.
Great review Mr. Vickers!
I do love these podcasts though, so informative and well articulated. Something about LAV’s accent that is just relaxing too, such a cool guy.
Listening to larry really makes you appreciate a professional opinion and thought process
Nice historical breakdown. Thank you.
Love the format !!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge sir.
Great information Larry ! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and I hope your treatment is heading in the right direction. DVC
Great info. thanks for the brilliant in-depth breakdown.
Love my Staccato C2 9mm. Ive had it about 6 months
Great video, thanks for the in-depth information.
Keep up the work always love your videos.
Pretty thorough discussion. Im carrying the C2 and love it.
Thanks for the info Larry. About to pull the trigger on one.
I am now retired from the Army, but working as a cop. I have been carrying a Staccato P as my duty gun for about a year now, and it has been stone reliable after 4k rounds. One self induced malfunction- I rode the slide with my offhand thumb and caused a stovepipe. Absolutely fantastic pistol, and a huge step forward from STI!
Larry you're the greatest thank you
I shot my 2011 precious special at LAV's class and it ran like a champ for both days. If Larry reads these comments maybe he'll remember maybe not Me and Lance plan to be back.
Ive been soo interested in these. I carried a old Para p14 limited on the job for about 3 years and I shot 3 days a week. Gun ran like a top, it did go back to Para twice to get overhauled because I put about 20k through it in those 3 years. Only reason I stopped using it for work was my employer wasn't fond of single actions and carrying cocked and locked... but everyone I talk to about 1911s hates on their guns. I had 20 mags 3 10rds and 4 were 14rds with +4s and the rest were 14rd mags. Like I said ran like a top.
I built my custom 1911 off a Para Ordnance frame because I found it had the highest capacity options in .45ACP. Remington made some 15 round magazines (luckily they work for me) and I found Taylor Freelance made extensions compatible with Para style magazines (since they make those mainly for Rock Island Armory pistols which use Para frames) that added an additional 3 rounds. 18+1 .45ACP is a lot of firepower. Heh
What extensions did you use to get +4? That sounds really cool.
Strong work 🇺🇸👍🏻
I have a sti guardian in 9mm its only a .250 wider than a single stack and I absolutely love it . Its made to be carried and use.
Great video thx
Very informative. Love my Oldschool sti p.
I went with the Staccato P Duo and love love the thing.
LV knows his shit. I always pick up something anytime I watch his videos or even on his IG page.
Wow first off great info , the Full size WC in 9 mm is the best 1911 hands down, single stack . Comes with a price for sure .
LV never thought I’d hear you talk about staccato /STI. Thanks , reckon to stay on top you need to change with the times . Thanks. I know this is a few months old . Hope all is well 🙏🏻
Great brief!
I absolutely love their gun bag. Wish Nighthawk had one that nice.
Let me add something about the grip size of a 2011 compared to a Wilson EDC X9 (carry) or EDC X9L 5” 1911s.
If someone watching this has tried and tried to make a 2011 feel comfortable in your hand? And just can’t quite close the deal? Look into the Wilson EDC X-Framed guns.
Here’s why:
All 2011 guns are built around a 45 / 38 Super magazine footprint. There is only so much a user can do to fit the hands.
The Wilson EDC X-Frame guns are built around a modern, purpose built 9mm double-stack, mag tube. (Rumor is it’s the PPQ tube).
The result is a 15+1 or 18+1 1911 with a DRAMATICALLY smaller grip. Even Die-hard Staccato shooters
In my area all get a “oh $hit” look after holding our EDC X9L.
The best way I can describe it is imagine a Glock 21 loaded with 9mm. Now compare that to a Glock 17 loaded with 9mm.
It can make a HUGE difference for a duty gun.
Regards,
Marky
@@beefnyan in theory I understand what you are thinking, but the reality is the frame dimension and shape of the 2011 stays the same.
This shape is at its peak corner at the back of the frame. Specifically under the shooter’s thumb.
1911 users who don’t get the warm and fuzzies working that thumb safety across that double-fat
corner, tend to really enjoy the X-famed guns.
Finally...longer or shorter triggers on a 1911 function to adjust the trigger fingers at their joint. Not at the back of the gun.
If a user is having to slide his or her hand back and forth to reach either a safety or trigger, we are looking at a gun that simply doesn’t fit the user. Because either way, the gun is canted in the grip.
All modern semi-auto pistols should and will sit in a theoretical zero-cant axis between the thumb and index finger. Deviate from that and the user is going to have significant natural point of aim issues.
Regards,
Marky
3 years EDC x9 only thing I carry and shoot IDPA with.
@@rickpadgett1999 monster gun.
Or you can have buy a grip module that’s been stippled like the old school STI’s in dragon skin or treebark & reduced by extreme shooters, or send yours in to them and have it worked offer. Big difference
I much prefer getting magazines for the EDC/SFP guns. They’re MecGar made, they don’t bind up a MagLula, and they’re cheaper. You aren’t spending $60-80 on a magazine for the Wilson.
I love my c2 duo!!!
I purchased a staccato p a month ago. Great gun!
I have a first generation STI Tactical 5.0 45ACP. And it must be an exception or something. Because it has always performed exceptionally well. Great trigger and tac driver accurate. Gonn get me a Staccato P Duo soon . But I am keeping my older STI. Very happy with it.
The unreliability was back in the 90s. These guns run like sewing machines now. Get the C2 duo and get a gen1 grip from extreme shooters. You’ll be happy
golden nugget info regarding the shorter trigger
Larry
I hope you are feeling better bubba….
Thoughts and Prayers Delta Dog!!!
In 1996 I lived in California and bought a brand new HK USP 45, took it home and loaded up both magazines and put it away. In 2009 I moved to Arizona with that HK being the only gun to my name and took my CCW class. I finally shot the gun a week before the class and couldn't miss with it if I tried, in qualification in my CCW class I scored 100%. Now, after being loaded and unused for 13 years the magazines both starting having minor issues, after a while they would not lock the slide open solidly after the last round, I could almost look at the slide release and the slide would close. When I started carrying a Colt Commander XSE and the HK magazines remained unloaded for a week they were as good as new. ;-)
Now that is a cool story! I dont know if I could have brought myself to shoot an untouched HK like that.
I’ve got a 2019 Spec (4.15” barrel) just like the Marshals SOG and it is far and away my favorite pistol.
Great review and overview #staccato2011
SVI the long time competitor of STI offers a trigger that has a two piece shoe that can have the trigger swapped for both a shorter and longer shoe. Also MBX makes a high quality gen 2 style mag for 45 acp in 140mm that holds 17 with slide lock, also 126mm in 14 rd 45 slide lock.Also I wish you would consider testing a Rock Island Double stack 1911 in 45 and 10 mm. The ones that I’ve handled looked pretty well fitted. They’re built on a forged( according to them) Para pattern double stack frame.
I'm going to buy one of these. Because I'm depressed. I make bad financial decisions when I'm depressed. These are beautiful.
"what not" is the larry vickers fav word xD
I was able to test fire a (17round) magazine Staccato C2. I loved the size, accuracy and ease of slide manipulation. The only thing that prevented my purchase was the grip. Larry mentioned that the grip had been rounded, but it was not rounded enough for me. The interior palm edge dug into my thumb joint.
My hand fits snugly into a large size glove. The (S&W) M&P 2.0, for me, has perfected the double stack grip. Surely, a 2011 company figure it out for a $3k gun.
4 years ago 8 0f us put 3500 rounds through 6 STI pistols in an hour. One of the pistols got hot enough it stop. The slide was hot enough you could barely touch it. If I was not such a BHP shooter I would have a STI or a 2011. Great pistols.
After putting wolf springs and after market followers in my PARA 20rd 170mm mags they're perfectly reliable with ball ammo, but still useless for HP. My PARA P10 runs fine with HP, but only with +P ammo to keep it from stove piping due to the stiff double recoil spring.
The recorded volume on these videos needs to be turned up for being a podcast. I can use a little more volume, Larry. Thx
If anyone is on the fence about buying one, do it. It’s an amazing gun worth every penny.
my dad is going to get one in couple days i was telling him is wroth evey penny pops lol you going to like it
and you just sold another C2. Thank you for great information.
I was wondering what your opinion is comparing the 2011’s vs a custom CZ like the shadow, P O1, or SP 01?
I love the brand and respect the direction Stacatto is heading. I have owned the P and XC and unfortunately had to sell them both, but I will sell they sold almost immediately. I will be waiting for the 2022 model and buying 2 more due to Stacatto making some positive changes 😉
Is the 2022 model suppose to be different?
Considering the current market I don't think we are in a 9mm world anymore. 9x19 is effectively impossible to find for most people but my LGSs have plenty of .40 and .45 on the shelf. I shot and carried only 9x19 until this past year when I couldn't find ammo and now I carry and shoot primarily .40 and I've been able to stack fairly deep at not ridiculous prices.
You think that the thing on the shelf is what people are shooting? Maybe the reason you can’t find 9mm is because it is the most popular caliber and that is what people are buying.
Bruh that comment is from more than two years ago. And it wasn't about what people are shooting but the 9x19 pushing every other semiauto handgun cartridge out of the market not being true which has been the prediction for about 10 years now. And yet .40 and .45 continue to be made and shot.@@sportsmanslegacy
I've got a Eagle that Virgil built many years ago. When the mags run, it's the Testarosa of the pistol world.
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Why have I never seen this before?!?!?
Great cid
Yo is this Larry Vickers podcast please if so get Larry and Ian (forgotten weapons) joint podcast just about nerdy gun stuff pleaseessssw
Larry “my good friend” Vickers
So this is the guy that the Vickers Glocks were named after?? NICE!!
You have a wealth of information and I enjoyed listening ..
2:15 -H&K USP45 dominating
The main issue I have with these pistols is the fiber optic front sight. For a duty pistol tritium nights are not only preferable but an absolute necessity. Other than that I like every feature especially the Tac grip.
I did not have a good experience with STI a little scared to jump in the Staccato arena!
Ramped barrels are absolutely a must for 10 mm and .40sw pistols. 99% of the projectiles are flat nosed in these calibers and a nonramped 1911 will most likely have feeding issues.
Ramped barrels were always used in 9mm and 40. But you can for sure get an unramped 9 2011 to run.
A Glock 17,Sigp226/320, 2011 with 17-21 rounds of good +p 124gr hollowpoint or FN FMJ will do more than ppl think. I still prefer 10-13 rounds of .45 just feels right
Now whats up with SV Infinity in regards to STI, i thought theyre together at some point? I'm assuming they use identical magazines?
Quick history. Sandy Strayer and Micheal Voigt left STI due to differences of opinion they had with what STI was doing. They started SV Infinity (SVI). Thry went with a much higher quality, build every part they use in house, mags, ect... their guns are known throughout the competition world as one of the highest quality you can get. At one point their mags were also the best on the market. Then other companies came in and built 2011 style pistols as well and now we have some very solidly built decently priced 2011 pistols. MBX came on scene and revolutionized the mags for the 2011, not exactly sure when they came about. All while this is going on STI quality suffered though leadership and cost savings methods and became well knows as a pistol you would buy, ship to your chosen gunsmith who was known to be good with tuning them and mags before you ever shot it. They stayed like that up through just about right when they came out with the staccato line of pistols, this was before the actual name change. About 3 or so years ago STI finally stepped up and came out with the gen2 mags and once again had probably the most reliable 2011 mags on the market and still does. Then they changed to staccato. The big issue is they missed a huge opportunity in the competition world by not having guns competition guys want. They decided the tactical market was better for them. The general belief on the reasoning for that was those in the tactical world dont abuse the guns like competition shooters do thus they dont wear or break as much. Competition guns will go through probably minimum of 5k-10k rounds a season. So roughly 7-8 months a year. The mags are always being dropped with rounds in them, dirt, mud, ect... And competition shooters are usually very picky about every part of the gun. The tactical side on average just doesn't run the guns like that. Is it a bad thing? Maybe, many not. If the company makes a profit and can put food on the dinner table of its workers then all is good. Hope I answered your initial question.
@@joshuabaker5712 yes sir, very thorough answer. Much appreciated!
The other advantage to the new direction is they make 5 different models while when they were doing competition guns they had upwards of 20 different models. Now that they aren’t spreading themselves out, they have a much easier time making the 5 models they do have as perfect as possible.
I’d love to get my hands on a vickers custom built 2011…..
H&k USP45 is king!
I’ll be completely honest, I’m a 45 guy but with modern firearms and especially modern bullet technology, the 9mm is winning me over. Glock is on my side right now but as soon as I can, I’ll have a staccato p
My P shoots so much smoother than my 45 1911s.
I edc the P without problem.
More rounds down range > bigger rounds down range
1 thing I don’t understand, if rebranding and changing the name was such a big deal, then why, every where you look they make it very clear staccato is formally known as STI?? Just curious. I ordered a P and I can’t wait until it gets here. Fast track is not paying off 😢
Though I think we all generally agree, that 9mm is king, in our 9mm starved market .40 & 10mm have a place because it's still easily bought.
I agree with that sentiment quite a bit. A lot to be said for having your chosen platform in different calibers.
The ammo shortage really killed the argument that “9mm is the most available” because it turns out 9mm being popular also means it’s in really high demand and in a shortage, demand rapidly outstripped supply. Meanwhile, in normal times, pretty much any normal service pistol round will be available at any gun store. Hell, even now, I’ve seen several boxes of .40 at the local Academy while maybe only seeing a box or two of 9mm ever.
Seems like the best round for a major ammo shortage is a round that’s popular enough to get consistent support from manufacturers, but not so popular that everyone wants it. So, for example, a market mostly dominated by ARs meant 5.56 disappeared quickly and is still pretty expensive, while 7.62x39 for AKs are dramatically cheaper.
I all but gave up on STI. I love how they made it nearly impossible to get one of their guns. Nice job STI. 👍
I was at a gun store that had 5 of em yesterday. If you wanna order online I'm sure you can get one
The range I shoot at had a bunch of Staccato's recently, so the new models are apparently available. Not sure about the older models when they were out. I do also hear that you can order the Staccato's directly from the factory if you can't locate one near you.
Point Blank (McRange) always has at least 3 different models
Small hands like Rob Leatham! LOL! I met Rob Leatham last year. I'm 6'4" and my hands are about the same size as his. I guess I'm in good company?
Made in Texas. With Texas pride. For the price I still rather go with a custom Wilson Combat.
$2000 Staccato vs $3800 WC? I'll got with Staccato.
@@tberkoff The Wilson Double Stacks are closer to $3K while Staccatos can top out at $4,300.
If Stacatto has the magazines right, I want one. STI pistols won a lot of matches but the requirement that the magazines be "tuned" by an expert make the brand a no-go for a lot of us. Life is just too busy to constantly be tuning magazines.
When you say lub how much is enough?
I build these everyday
I'm glad to know that there are others out there with smedium hands. Lol
how am i supposed to know if i have the first gen 9mm mag that sti made opposed to the staccato 9mm mags that were revised
Capacity holes are on the side of the Gen1s and the back on Gen2s. That’s not the only difference but the easiest to tell.
The new mags will have G3 stamped on them.
Larry is all the US Marshals tactical guys using the Staccatos? Or is it a mix of that and Glocks?
the SOG is the only branch of the Marshals that use these
For the most part, all of the departments that approve the 2011s are for individual purchase and normally not department purchased.
The Staccato P has 20 rd and 17rd mags, not 16 rd mags
This may have talked me further into a C2. I’ve yet to hear reason against it, outside of price.
The XC is a $7.5K handgun in Australia.
I have no doubt they shoot, I’ve watched every bloody video on UA-cam.
My concern is problems that need Staccato people or 1911/2011 people to fix/tune/tweek. Texas is a long way from me 😬
Bruh 7.5k ..lol don't buy that there. That's insane. Australia is also crazy. COVID taught us that. Y'all are one flu away from full blown dictatorship
@@byronbranch4645
Make that $8.3K. They went up 🙄
@@andrewcreevey1224 whhhhuuutttttt that's crazy
Why would a gun that didn't work be in high demand just because they were the test guns for special forces. Why would you want a gun that doesn't work.
Didn’t Delta originally choose the Springfield XD when it switched from .45 to .40 but it had magazine problems in the cold?
No.
Nope they switched to Glock 22s and STI 2011s in 40 cal. Due to the issues with the STIs at the time the G22 won out.
@@Juice56107 hi!.interesting information!. Where did you found the sources? Regards
@@martinblanco6157 Larry speaks about it in one of his vids. I don't remember which one it was, maybe the staccato video?
What duty holster can you use with the Staccato P (4.4in)?
Safariland 6390 RDS my friend. I have one and it's fantastic. Add on the OT Defense 1911 nub mod for even easier access to the ALS lever.
@@christopherg2218 I don't have the optic option. I just got the regular P.
I tried looking on safariland for the Staccato P options but none have the TLR-1HL light.
@@kristopherjoyce2322 Ahh ok this looks like a good option: www.lsholster.com/crestone-l2-duty-holster-with-weapon-mounted-light/
@@christopherg2218 thank you!
You mean that Chip McCormick couldn't make a mag... huh! You would think that was his strong suite.
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Great video, and I agree with you on almost everything except the comment that the .40 is dead. .40 IS NOT dead, and is alive and well in many holsters of operators and law enforcement still today. Granted it’s not the “flavor of the month”, however, the caliber is far from gone, and will continue to serve on for years to come. Remember, they’re plenty of dead bad guys in cemeteries thanks to .40 rounds.
FN FNX-45 15+1 45 ACP