Casino Called The Police On Me For Counting Cards!
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Not illegal to count cards. That’s a skill. The casino doesn’t like people with that skill
since they lose money, which is stupid because casinos are supposed to be about luck of the draw, and since counting cards is something that doesnt modify the draw in any way, its stupid that they kick people out
@Luna’s Rambles…..it isn’t about “luck of the draw” at all, though.
Casinos are in business and the odds are in their favor. That’s why casinos make money. The rules exist for them to make money.
If you will, it is NOT the casino’s money you win- it is the money of OTHER people.
Some people will make money, others will lose money, the casino will make money because those who lose, lose more than the people who win. That’s where the casino’s profit comes from. Make no mistake, nobody wins the casino’s money.
Casinos have no desire for people to change the odds , which are set in THEIR favor, to odds that are more favorable. ie Counting cards do not allow the player to win, but simply create odds that are more favorable to them. Casinos love the odds, so long as they favor them.
@@aetheriox463 well they could just ban them, wich is not illegal, but they should not call the cops on them or refuse to pay out their winnings. That is illegal.
The casino generally don't like people who walk away with more money then they bring.
Which is actually really stupid because they should let someone win to keeps selling dreams to others ...
Seems to make sense why they make a difference between thieves, cheats, and advantaged players. A card counter is a advantaged player
So you can't be arrested, but they can stop you from continue play at that game (from what I gathered).
I don't think it's fair to call card counters "thieves" with casinos in context.
It's not fair to call them thieves anyways because they played the game better 😂😆
I don't call them thieves unless it's in a private game. In a casino it's perfectly fair. casino's use algorithms to place the odds in their favor on literally every game.
casino and fair in the same sentence...? you know why they say house always wins right? go waste your money on something more useful.. like whores and booze
It's my understanding that it's a myth that counting cards gives a huge advantage.
Go to a casino get ripped off simple dont complain
Bro when the pit boss said “+6 is a very good number” your heart must’ve dropped 😂
Feels like they hired a former card counter to catch card counters. Which is why he’s so chill because he gets it
@@npcenergy4677 someone that's a pit boss would def know that anyways being able to watch the action and catch it.
It's not they're gonna drag him to a backroom, the worst that can happen is he gets escorted out
The irony of a borderline criminal business calling the cops on someone who's doing nothing wrong
@muttering matt. . .The casinos are small time in comparison to online sports betting. That's something that has the potential to ruin all sports for decades to come. There is a reason why gambling was illegal in this country up until recently. There is a reason why the mafia has controlled sports gambling for a hundred years.
Casinos are repugnant. They're literally cheating you, and they get mad for you doing the same to then.
"No, no, no - we're supposed to fleece you - !" *garbled eldritch screeching*
@@karlhungus5436Card counting is not even cheating. It is not that the card counter knows which cards are coming up next. He is simply able to recalculate the odds more efficiently.
@@bingbongbang8895 although when it comes to amounts being played you may be right, fully licensed betting sites have laws of obligation that don't allow them to do some things a casino does like not giving you your money or harass you.
But i do bet they can make their services unavailable do you but you can kind of go around that much easier than a casino.
“You didn’t break the law, but you have a slight advantage over the house so we need to permanently ban you from every possible casino”
Is basically the argument of these casinos
*circuses
A casino is a place that’s licensed to steal. Walk in at your own peril.
That is the worst, most self-centered argument I have ever heard! It is like every time the GOP said "You did not vote illegally, but you did not vote for Donald Trump in 2020, so we need to make it harder for you to vote in every possible election!" Nobody wants to play games when they are not allowed to win. Alienating customers by never giving them what they came for, paid for or played for without cheating will eventually bankrupt you.
More than slight advantage. With enough of a base fund, you can reliably make bank out of a casino. That said, it's the casino's issue that their game is reliably beatable, not the player. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
They don't want you to play a game of luck with too much skill. How is this so hard for people to understand? They make money from house advantage, losing the house advantage is giving away money. They are the bookies, they are not playing the game with you. I would argue that they shouldn't play Blackjack if they don't have a solution to the problem but suggesting that a business expose themselves to loss is just unreasonable.
As a statistician, what I learnt from these videos is that I have far too much social anxiety to be a card counter. I would totally implode in those cop encounters.
the fact that he gives his ID to the police saying “that’s fine, you’re a police officer” shows how inexperienced he is. Police cannot make you give your ID unless you’re suspected of a crime. sure he might not have gotten anywhere without that, but the whole mentality of the police can get ur ID and tell u what to do “Sit Down” is just an error
@@iceswallow7717 Yeah I don't think he was legally required to identify himself to the Police. He wasn't breaking any laws or under suspicion of breaking any laws. I understand that there's a pressure to humanize yourself to Police, but they aren't your buddies. I'm surprised the Cops didn't take the side of the Casino and pressure him with the Trespassing claim, knowing how much sweet tax dollars that Casino probably brings into that area.
Why? It’s not like you’re doing anything against the law. There is no arrestable offence. In fact, he could sue the casino for holding items of monetary value.
@@iceswallow7717 He was at that time suspected of a crime, the police officer told him that.
@@QuibbleTrouble But the problem lies in the ”reasonable” if they suspect you of counting cards that is not reasonable because it is not illegal. Neither is doing it in a group. Wich the officer was insinuating. They have to ARTICULATE what crime it is they suspect you of commiting. He should not have given his ID because they could have easily handed over the information to the casino without steven ever founding out.
"You've lost many thousands of dollars, but we feel you're taking advantage of us" is always funny to me
You just know they've gotten information from other casinos. xD
they know your counting and they want to get you before the count swings in your favor and they start losing
Too funny
“I am a police officer.. in this building” .. literally committed a felony right there.
Don’t know how he got away with it
Saying people aren’t allowed to count cards is like saying you’re not allowed to think more than one move ahead in chess.
Underrated comment
If they allowed card counting the place would be cleaned out every single night
@@mikekosak9598 then, adjust the rules of the actual game. I mean multiple decks with early reshuffles should be more than enough to negate card counting, but to ban people based on what they might be doing in their heads is ridiculous.
Yeah. Casinos are a business my man. Regulation allows them to refuse service to you. Which is a much better world than the alternative where it would be considered cheating and they'd refuse to pay you.
And to your point, many casinos do basically what you're saying. They have half deck shoes, or continuous shufflers. But the general gambler doesn't like those. It slows down the game for the former. And people don't trust the CS.
I'm not defending the casinos. I love that people try and take legal advantage of them. But the law allows them to back you off. And most card counters just accept that.
@@bigheadrhino most casinos do exactly that. They still blow a gasket at anyone trying to skew the odds back to even.🤷
"I'd call my lawyer, but I don't have any reception here at all... As far as I'm aware with the gambling laws in the state of washington there's no legal requirement for me to give ID" This was like a scene out of a movie. Legendary behavior Steven.
Hahaha thanks. Jokes on them I don’t have a lawyer 😂
(Absolutely having one on standby for the next trip though)
They’re a private business they don’t have to do business with you
I found this as he said it
@@Mustlehard Which he accepted.
It’s so sick and twisted that casinos are allowed to kick out people who don’t want to participate willingly in their scam.
Well not really, it is still a business and you are technically on private property owned by someone. It sucks for us, but you wouldn't really want someone in your living room taking away your money. If they think that you are going to take their money, they don't want u in. What would be twisted is any law which stated that a person can openly disobey and participate in games even after the casino says no, because that means that the property owner loses power over private property, as well as meaning a lot of fights and lawsuits and complications when really the casino has the same right to say no, as u do to tell someone to leave your house.
If you don't want to participate in their scam why would you care if they kick you out
Step one and only step to solve this is, dont go to casino. You going there makes you willing to participate by their rules. They did not come to you and force you to gamble.
I'd like to hear a lawyer's opinion on this. I'm not a lawyer, but I feel the following argument sets an important precedent.
This thug says they're providing a service and can refuse to cash out if ID isn't shown. In other words, he's banking on the "It's a service so I can make up whatever rules I want to cash you out". If that's the case, it means he could refuse to cash people out regardless of whether or not ID is shown. This means they can take people's money by telling them they can cash out, then decide not to cash out for whatever arbitrary reason's they choose.
This is fraud.
I feel like that would be the premise of the argument and laws would need researched and pulled up to back up these assertions.
@@NoNameNoWhere There could be a number of charges brought up against the casino, such as operating as a scam, fraudulent advertising/operating, impersonating a police officer, unlawful collection of personal information, etc, at least one of which that could hold up in court if they had in fact stolen his money and refused him the right to cash out. By law, he was required to show his ID to enter, but "jotting down personal info" could be even seen as identity theft, especially since no law exists mandating that ID is shown to get your money.
Love how ID is never an issue when they’re taking your money! Only when you want it back or some of their money is it a problem
Its just how law work. They are allowed to do that to discourage underages from gambling. If they know cheating the system is 100% loss, they will never get the money out, they are discouraged.
Thats why, when I worked in a convience store, I would take payment first, then ask for ID, and if ID was underage or person did not have ID, I would enter 0.00 in cash register and then push the "TIP 100%" button (meaning the sum registred in the card machine were allocated 100% to TIP) on the cash register. That was free money for the store. So when underage attempted to buy alcohol, they would lose both money and product.
And since they were underage, they would just get a laugh from the grown ups when they said: "I attempted to illegally buy alcohol as a underage and they kept all my money!".
This ONLY works in countries where the law says its illegal to give alcohol to underage, but legal to sell alcohol to underage. (Sweden is such a country, the laws says you may not physically give alcohol to a underage, regardless of its for money or for free, but you can legally sell alcohol to a underage, as long as you dont give the bottle to the underage).
If the law says its illegal to both sell and give alcohol to underage, this trick don't work, since then its illegal to also sell (as in completing a monetary transaction) the alcohol to underage even if you don't give the alcohol to the underage afterwards.
In sweden you can actually BUY a pistol without a weapon's license. You just wont get the pistol until you show a license. Its because the law says its legal to sell weapons to those lacking the license, but you may not physically transfer a pistol to someone lacking a license.
@@sebastiannielsen That's actually a good lesson to teach them honestly... I mean you are legally stealing money... somehow... but you are following the law to try and teach them a valuable lesson about following the law (and knowing your rights).
@@sebastiannielsenI reckon you’re a thief regardless
What the f is a weapons license?@@sebastiannielsen
@@hansschmidt1888 Gun license/ weapons license. Required to possess a weapon. In sweden you need 1 license per gun.
Counting cards isn't actually illegal. However, they can ask you to leave and refuse to do business with you anymore. It's sad/funny how many of these casinos try to scare you and falsely act like it's "illegal" though.
Well it gets in the way of the casino raking in the cash from all those suckers out there.
can they refuse to let you cash chips?
@@amen2470 No, they will just ask you to leave and never come back, and share your image with other casinos.
They’re “rental cops.” Never take “security” seriously, especially in shady places.
no casino has done this for decades. everyone at the card tables, including the dealer, does it. its when you start cheating or acting suspicious that they have enough of your bullshit and get rid of you.
Dude identified himself as a police officer. Then says "in here I am, I'm security." That was a fine legal line he was walking.
I agree with you but he is on reservation property, good luck getting that to go anywhere.
It felt like a pretty insane power trip. He had no reason to be that aggressive. Especially since if anyone nearby was watching it would reflect very poorly on the casino. Like your playing next to a guy who has not done anything to warrant starting a scene. 4 dudes show up and start antagonizing ,raising their voice voice, and calling themselves the law would make me playing casually want to leave.
Might as well be a mall cop
@@CosmicDarkLord having seen behavior like this at casinos first hand has made me want to never go to a gambling again. I wasn't even the person being harassed.
Impersonating a police officer is a crime. This video should have been shown to the police
I love how things calm down when the police come, they probably hate these calls and think its a waste of time themselves
I like how a year later he's so much more confident when they refuse to cash him out
Plain and simple: If the house refuses to allow you to legally cash out your chips under the threshold of $10,000 as stated in Washington state law, you have grounds to sue.
You have to give your name to sue.
That would require a long court case and lots of money. Not worth it. Being able to get cashed out and then leave forever is the best outcome.
@@517342 lmao “not worth it.” Have you ever sued any company, regardless of tribal affiliation, for false imprisonment? Your lack of legal knowledge and willingness to relay that information is interesting at best.
@@mykethevet Exactly, that's why I wouldn't bother with this crap. That's all I said.
But since you're so confident that you'll win and appear to be a legal expert, by all means go for it champ.
@@mykethevet that's why you sue for damages and costs as well
absolute gold. criminals calling the cops.
Ong
@@MrBadjohn69 if they do not ask for ID points if ingress they are violating probable grounds of operating on open liquor floor. since ID is checked at the door. they can check inside the floor that serve alcohol. if its denied they are obligated to remove them. regardless of paying out. the casino can kick you out without paying. but with the police there they can get you paid out. unless they are directly serving trespass (the act means you must immediately leave, and failing to do so allows them to press criminal trespass charges upon you if they so choose, or have the police deal with it (which they do so they don't have to dirty their hands in civil suits)).
in the case that trespass is served you're removed without a payout. you'd have to proceed through with a civil case in order to get your payout. (or threaten them with one with a request to pay you out for that amount)
If you were to leave the casino with the chips and re-enter the casino they can deny you a payout for them on suspicious grounds of them fraudulent (without proof) and confiscate their property and if you wanted reimbursement you'd have to settle that in court as well.
These are things they can do just because its their establishment. they can do it to anyone they choose and do not need a reason to do so. The only things the gambler does have in their favor are any precedents already set in law, in which would help their case and they could sue for punitive damages on top of their damages and costs.
because of this most establishments just pay them out before they leave and then refuse entry. which is legal and lawful for them to do.
@@MrBadjohn69 Washington state does _not_ have any Stop and Identify statute requiring compulsory identification to _anyone._ A private establishment may set forth policies requiring individuals seeking entry to provide identification, and may also establish policies requiring patrons within the establishment to provide identification upon request, but neither of these _requests_ are lawful. There is no criminal code to refuse to identify to enter a casino, or bar, and no criminal code pertaining to someone already within the establishment refusing to provide identification. The establishment reserves the right, as a private entity on private property, to refuse service to anyone they please - as well as the right to request anyone to leave their property. Neither of which requires the individual to identify themselves. No casino, or bar, may press criminal charges for someone refusing to identify, because they have no legal authority to do so - as it's _not_ a crime, or violation of _law._
The only thing you were correct about was whether or not a bar can ask for an ID at any time. Yes, they may ask anyone, at any time, for identification. In fact, any random person walking down a sidewalk has the right to _ask_ for anyone's identification. That does _not_ mean there's any legal obligation to fulfill the request. Ask any practicing Washington state attorney, or just use google. It's free.
@John Gibbons Legally anybody can ask you anything anywhere but you are not lawfully required to answer or show ID to anyone including police unless you are suspected of committing a crime and card counting is not illegal. If you believe it is illegal please cite the law. With that being said you can be kicked out of a private business for any reason or no reason at all.
@@MrBadjohn69 As for the ID due to liquor rules that is completely the responsibility of the business to do. A customer can only get in trouble if they are under age but if business is not checking ID's as required they are the one breaking the law.
"You know what wrong about blackjack, +6 is a great number" thats such a raw way to tell someone that they know you're counting
Getting kicked out of a casino for being too good is the greatest complement
Casinos are so corrupt it's almost hilarious. You're doing a great job.
Hey, you see that guy there who just pawned his wedding band for $700? He's got our money, and if he tries to win it for himself, release the hounds.
-Every casino ever.
Its a business?
MD M8 businesses can be nice, but yeah, most businesses are corrupt
@@LazoGT naw
@@LazoGT commie vibes
I am so tired of corporations hiding behind "policy", which they make up, in order to avoid doing the right thing.
It's not even the "right thing" they have to do but simply the legal one. Private policy can NEVER supersede actual laws.
well their policy is you cash in and don't cash out
Sometimes they do it for our own protection, like youtube and facebook.
Just like any/all government operates
Ong
At first I thought the cops were gonna be against you, but now it's good to see that they were actually there to _help_ you.
I’m so curious what the Gaming Commission does with evidence like this where casinos are actively breaking the law and acting outside of the bounds of their gaming license.
Didn't you see the movie, Casino? The gaming commissioner gets a nice briefcase from the casino in the middle of the night on a monthly basis.
@@miskitttThat's closer to the truth than one would think.
It's like studying for a test and getting told you have an unfair advantage
😂 nailed it
Yea but you know whenever money is involved people go oonga boonga.
Not similar at all . He's free to count cards all he wants . Just don't suddenly go from betting $10 a hand to $200 a hand . That don't want his action then
for real when you study you already know the answers to the test so that's basically cheating smh
Or a sports team being told they can't have certain players because they give them an unfair advantage. Sorry Tom Brady, you cant play anymore, your an unfair advantage. XD
Didn't he identify himself as "I'm a police officer inside this house here" - that is impersonating police, which is a crime. He later corrects himself that he is security, but the initial statement may still be illegal. Doubly so when his uniform makes him look like potential police with a badge
Can confirm, incredibly illegal. Worked in the biz.
I would have called for a State Police Officer. The tribal police are tied up with the casino.
Sue Sue Sue press charges
It's not impersonation. Casino security have full police powers inside the casino. At least that's how it is in Las Vegas.
@@ButterBallTheOpossum They can literally arrest you and put you in handcuffs?
I like that one polite Pitboss. Probably the literal best way to call someone on counting.
"Plus 6 is a very good number, isnt it?" And just the belly laugh at the "Well..."
Seems like a very fun guy
They know they're only real option is to discover it and kick people out beforehand.
If they've already won a lot, there's nothing they can do.
... Except intimidation and bullying
If they allowed more card counting, they'd make a lot of money from aspiring card counters with small bankrolls and from their errors which wipe away advantage, but they'd lose a lot more from counters who are properly prepared to play.
"I'm a police officer inside this house here. I'm the security." Impersonating an officer of the law is a felony...
Isn’t it wild people who should be rehabilitated are just walking around?
It's almost like police moonlighting should be illegal and is a conflict of interest.
Man just wanted to feel like Judge Dredd
You're not impersonating an officer if you're an officer off duty.
and all judges are bought. no such thing as a fair judge in the usa
well, he identified himself as a policeman, so unless he's an off duty policeman, working as a security guard, than I'm pretty sure it would be a felony to identify as a cop.
yeah. like WTF. it's a FELONY to 'Impersonate a Police Officer'. ..... why he not get charged.
@@glytchd Because nobody pressed charges. If they kept the money and went to lawsuit I'd have reported the felony to add weight to my case. Otherwise, unless he was a much bigger douche than he was it's probably not worth pursuing.
He mentioned he is authorized to enforce certain laws by a tribe. Basically this took place in a place where Native Americans govern and can deputize people to enforce certain laws within areas the tribe own.
Yes. But since casinos have a lot of money Im sure the politicians and police chiefs will turn a blind eye. Well, you get what you vote for.
It's okay if he sexually identifies as a cop, corme on now.
I've never gone into a casino, but from watching your videos, I'm surprised that so many casino employees don't get uniforms. So many just wearing sports jerseys and stuff.
Robbing casinos is a moral good.
Oof, this feels like borderline robbery. Insisting on demanding ID, the aggressive intimidation tactics and refusing to cash out chips... that should definitely be against the law.
What do you mean borderline?? It is robbery.
It is
It is against the law they are allowed to stop you from playing and that’s it
They hold all the chips lol
Might even actually be against the law and they just don't give a shit if there's no one to sue them. (I have no idea about american laws, so maybe it isn't illegal but it could be)
I love how the one casino that you admitted card counting to had a dealer who was clearly also counting cards because he knew the running (or true) count.
They probably suspect people when they bet normally and then all of a sudden start betting larger. It would take much to review footage and count the cards during playback and compare that to when the bet amount increases.
That's why its better for them to work in teams. The "counter", so to speak, doesn't alter his betting at the table and then signals for the high roller to join the table and start betting.
@@craigmonty what? That has nothing to do with my comment?
@@eriq8904 Just suggesting that it's not the dealer that is counting the cards along side him. It's security doing it when watching video playback to work out if he was counting or not. It's the casino manager or floor manager that mentions the count to him... not the dealer.
@@craigmonty my point was that there was clearly someone else who can count cards which I think is really interesting. Idc who or how it was done, just that the place seemed chill and someone knew how it’s done unlike the other places that just freak out the one guy was like +6 is pretty good huh
@@eriq8904 you are right, and I find your comment relatable. it's obvious in hindsight, that the casinos have to be as good in counting as the players to catch it happening.
Wow. He actually came out and said he was gonna need your ID to "make sure you never go back there". Honestly I perceive him as threatening you. I hope the rest of the card counters go hit them as a team and bankrupt these Douche bags. They don't need to treat you like that.
Fascinating series. I’m a poker player not a blackjack player but I love these. Also, illani and the last frontier are 20 minutes from me. Very cool
Same here. Was excited to see some casinos I know. Kelso/Longview here.
the dude saying "im a police officer in this house" and wearing a police looking badge is extremely fucking illegal
Yes. Impersonating a police officer is a crime punished with up to a year in jail.
@@AudunWangen It's illegal I agree, but the tribal have different laws. Nothing would happen to him.
@@shemmy95 yep, heavily dependent on the tribe.
Tribal lands have thier own police forces, even jails on the casino grounds!
indians don’t play by the same laws
I'd love to see him bring an actual lawyer to follow him around and argue with casinos for him lol
It's usually not an argument. They say we know, wink, nudge, he's like: you got me, fair play, and then he can't play table games. What happened at the end was pretty crazy.
lawyers powerless outside the court.. cus the cops dont know the law.. and were acting in good faith (the lie they tell for justification on breaking the law, immunity thing).
lmao foreal. When he brought up his lawyer they cashed him out immediately
that'd be awesome
Someone with the intelligence and commitment to learn to count will probably also know the basics of the law around this. I'd be surprised if their bullying is often successful.
I like love how at the end the “security guards” go oh no every time he makes a good point
Binged like 15 of your vids and I keep thinking "I'm gonna get sick of this soon" but I never do. Always so interesting.
It's wild that these millionair casino's get this aggressive over losing
They don't care about the money. They're just withholding the cash in an attempt to force steven to hand over his id
its america, everything is about short term profit
They are pathetic weasels it's all about pride
If they allow one dude to do this, several others will come.
@@WadeWilson- Just kick them out, card counters know they can't pull the same trick twice after being booted out, no need to call the cops. That's just plain stupid
Casino: “Your counting cards!”
Player: “I literally lost 3 grand…”
Casino: “YOU SHOULD HAVE LOST MORE! GET OUT OF HERE CHEATER!”
Fr, I find it weird people still fund those vultures
Omg yes that's exactly how they sounded
You don't know how much money a good card counter and and few good decks in their favor can make.
He claims he lost 3k but afterwards says he was up $290, so he was lying to them to try and throw them off. They knew he was up.
Counting cards unsuccessfully actually probably caused him to lose more than if he were flat betting. When the count is high you increase your bet, potentially substantially, to take advantage of a high expected value on those hands. Some bad luck (variance) on those hands could cause a fast and large downswing. On that day the casino profited off of the variance, while in the long run the casino industry would lose money on the positive EV
this was way more entertaining than I thought it would be
Not sure how this popped up on my recommendation, but I’m addicted to these videos 😅
Well, as a former cop. Let me tell you, you had NO obligation to even provide your ID to the police. Nor should you have given it. There was no reasonable suspicion. If he said there was, and detained you, then that's a civil rights violation in which you could sue the department. Now your info is available through FOI. So now the casino has your info and its in the database obviously. That said though, I was a cop in a state that had no legal gambling so there may be some laws pertaining to casinos specifically.
Just gotta say, if this was in the EU recent EU laws would mean that the casino would need you consent to store your personal information, to what they’d be using this information for and they’d be legally bound to grant tell you what information they have on you and delete it on request.
@John Dunham abuse of non existent power is not gonna get you a job with the police department. Just the opposite I imagine Barney!
Tool bag getting kicks harassing hard working people to flex nuts you don’t have.
I would rather give up my id then get thrown in the back of a car lmao
@John Dunham so you violated alot of peoples 4th amendment rights and not even a COP.. yea someone should long taken away ya fake badge
@John Dunham you said you're the leading authority at the bank and then said you listen to the bank manger in the same sentence lol.
Casino's: it's illegal to count cards.
Also casino's: we've taken every step and took every scientific/psychological prediction to help us take your money when you play in our casino.
I agree 100% but to be entirely fair, you are also perfectly aware that this is the case and that’s the risk you take when you enter the casino
@@loganamurray64 Until you get kicked out for being good.
@@loganamurray64 there's no being 'entirely fair' with casino's. They're a horrible business intent on ripping off every day people but also specifically vulnerable people. They shouldn't exist the way they do right now.
except it isn't a judge ruled it's not
Yeah, that's why they want to kick you out. It doesn't even matter if you are "counting cards", you get 2 lucky wins in a row? You will be asked to leave, and probably prevented from cashing in.
This s**t kills me.... you can play as long as you want, just as long as you are losing (lol).
I love how supportive the police were!
As for the whole trespass thing and the casino needing your info for that. Uh, I don't think that is true. All the casino needs to keep you out of their casino is your picture which they can pull from the security cameras.
IF the law says that you don't need to give them ANY info to cash out if it's under $10,000, that means that you don't have to give them ANY info for any other reason either.
If they want your info, they damn well better be filling an actual restraining order on you. And to do that, they need the cops present. (or some other way to get your info to the cops.. which would be them asking your your ID and again, you don't have to give it to them)..
I could be wrong, but it seems that this is the case to me.
Businesses have been excluding people for thousands of years without ID or personal info.
They just wanted your ID for their database.
So, the cop was WRONG about the casino needing ID to "trespass you" . The casino could just tell the cop they want you out and the cop can just escort you out. Then it's up the casino to keep you out on their own.
.. unless they get a restraining order. And if they do again, the casino has to go through the cops. And I highly doubt a cop would actually allow a casino to get a restraining order for counting cards.
I sure as hell wouldn't if I was a cop. I'd probably laugh at the casino management, tell them you aren't breaking any laws nor are you actually harassing anyone and walk away.
Casino's flat out cheat players left and right. It's only fair that players do the same. (I might even say THAT if I was a cop dealing with this.)
You are wrong. You must have ID to be on property else you are trespassing
Casinos don’t need to cheat you. The games are designed for you to lose over a long enough time. You are there on your own free will.
@@uhohhotdog not if the casino has not explicitly stated in rules that are available for the public to see.
@@parthmudgal9270 nope
@@uhohhotdog Please read the Washington state statute on Trespassing: app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9a.52&full=true. There is no requirement to possess (let alone show) ID. A private property owner may ask you to leave for this reason, but since the subject agreed to leave upon being given this notice, he is not in violation.
The casino does, however, have a legal obligation to cash out the player. Steven was 100% in the right in this situation.
The second someone says they're a police officer, and they're a security guard, regardless of if they are an employee of a private establishment or not, they are impersonating a police officer. The conduct of this guy makes it seem as if he is a security guard,not a police officer. This is a felony in most states. I definitely would've pursued charges.
Yeah and nothing would’ve happened. A DA wouldn’t waste time with a case this tiny and one that’s easily arguable. DA’s want nice easy convictions. The guy said he was a police officer of that establishment. How he worded it would keep him safe. If he had done anything else on top of that then it’s a different matter because now you have actions being taken. First amendment is extremely good at protecting you on speech when it’s a grey area if you know how to word things
@@youarewrong57 the DA is owned by the casinos, like everyone else in line to punish them for their crimes.
@@youarewrong57 "Police officer of that establishment." You do understand REAL police officers are appointed to certain locations, such as construction zones, grocery stores, fast food areas. A security guard/officer can not establish themselves as "police officers" in any type of context.
i'd to see the real police get called to verify that person is actually a cop and fuck that casino up the ass for impersonating an officer.
Casinos have their own police.... you are welcome to press charges but i sincerely doubt you will win lol.
Imagine living in a world where you have the freedom to count things. If improving your odds of winning without cheating is illegal, then every Casino owner should be in jail.
They would just remove blackjack or change the rules if they couldn’t back off. It’s a give and take
Obviously we know who's behind this law.
Imagine anyone else, anywhere, being told that keeping track of what's happening in front of them, is illegal!
I'd never respect this law. If the casino has an issue, they can refuse service, for any reason.
Sore loser mentality, casino is a business they meant to make money and government loves them. ppl with brain shouldn't be allowed to play their games, simple. Freedom? There is no such a thing, freedom only to a certain extent, ppl in 1st world should have learnt now after this pandemic.
@@shennypen all the things wrong with this statement... It says a lot about you.
Garbage people say garbage things.
@@emilyhofland8219 It's not illegal. The casino didn't call the police because they think card counting is illegal. If they think you're counting cards, they just back you off (tell you that you can't play anymore). The casinos called the police because sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between legal card counting and genuine cheating (using a covert computer), and they suspected the latter.
steven, you dont undesratnd how satisfying it is to watch you win over the id requests. love your content
"You know what's wrong with blackjack, +6 is a very good number"
this quote is really real, I assume the owner has had tons of interactions with counters in the past
I love the “+6 is a very good number” he knows what’s up and communicates it in a way that shows he knows
id say "how do you my dick size" then sue him for sexual harassment
@@DragonLore520 nahh that guy chill as hell
What does this mean?
@@zuchini42069 maybe it was the true count
@@zuchini42069 +6 means is a good count
Any Casino that disallows a person from trying to win his/her money back after losing a lot. should be fined and forced to pay the person back their losses. This organized crime BS has been allowed to go on for way too long. I'm surprised that such criminal places haven't already been targeted and harmed from people who have been cheated out of their money.
They have been targeted lol you know how many casinos are burned down and robbed?
@@ohhkennny766 Answer is: "Not nearly enough of them" LOL
They haven't cheated. Everyone knows the odds are against you. Casinos are just smart to not let people play games when they have negative Ev.
@@onniruusunen9444 Cheated out of your money when you start to do well after losing, then the casino forces you to leave. They don't seem to mind when the money is going in on direction. How many times have there been stories of a casino refusing to pay after a mega slot produces a winner? Can anyone say "Cheated"
No different than bookmakers restricting winners online.
The world needs a crossover episode with you and Audit The Audit
7:02 Pit boss was very nice and calm, he’s definitely a chill dude out of work
Crazy that a casino can say you can’t play because you’re too good at a specific game, not cheating, just smarter than the average player. THAT should be illegal. Insane.
Nah they can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason even racial discrimination isn't illegal as long as it doesn't have to do with hiring it's just generally a bad look and bad for business. So if they decide they don't want you playing thats within their legal rights. Honestly even card counters lose lots of money to casino's, wich just goes to show how stacked the deck is to begin with. Never go into a casino expecting to make money.
@@mannyjohnson8383 doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be legal
Not too sure about that. Having around 1% of players taking home the majority of the winnings of a game feels bad for everyone else. The house wants to get rid of card counters, because it saves them money and actively removing them means they're not going to have to give themselves even better odds in games, which is a bonus for all players. More fun for almost all players since they go broke slower and more money for the casinos.
No you have a dree right to association. You decide who you let into your casino. Not being able to cash chips is illegal
@@NicholasW943 So if the card counters were gone they could give out more money to the bad players?
What I like most about this series is that you quite literally took years of potential income from youtube etc. to go for this 100% and make the best series you possibly could. I'm hoping you keep uploading because although I have no interest in playing blackjack or learning how to count cards, this is absolutely fascinating. You really went for it and took us along for the trip without knowing when you could release this or if it would be a success.
Thank you! Yeah it just became unmanageable to work on this series and keep uploading magic videos. But I’m glad the work has produced a series people enjoy 😃
I agree, shit I’m not even old enough to enter a casino, but i think it’s neat to watch and see the interactions
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@@stevenbridges you're also showing people where not to play other games too. plenty of casinos that treat people better.
I always wondered how can a casino or dealer know that someone's counting cards. Are there any tells or something?
Or how do they know that someone is not counting cards?
"we feel like you're an advantage player" "I'm down like 3 grand?" hahaha
Oh man. I'm a beginning counter here in Washington too. This is a funny video.. Real close to home🤣
"You're down 3k, we're going to ask you to stop".
Honestly, that just shows how smart casinos are. They know he'll more than likely win in the long run if they let him continue.
They know that a card counter starts getting stronger after a few cards have been dealt and has something to count. So they can stop before he starts doing his game and while they are ahead.
Some counters prly loose on purpose sometimes as a strategy
@@stephenbrodie5617 Not like that, no. But yes, some counters do what are called cover plays, which involve doing things counters wouldn't normally do. That's like playing the side bets, betting randomly high one minute and low the next.
Of course. A successful counter is looking for one extremely brief window of opportunity. The casino protected itself before it came up.
"+6 is a very good number"
xD definitely one of the few people who were being polite after catching someone counting cards.
Its a nice creative and funny way to back someone off. I would honestly laugh and probably bullshit with the guy lol
The cops seemed very cool and chill :)
The first video I watched of yours had comments turned off but I just want to say you are incredibly intelligent and funny and I have subbed and will be binge watching for the near future. Great content, sir!
There are only two rules for casinos 1. "The house always wins". 2. "If rule one isn't followed you'll be asked to stop playing".
and as long as the house is winning they would not care if they took your entire life savings.. but you go up a bit oh he is cheating.. Scumbags..
Exactly. No idea who in their right mind goes into a casino to "play" with their hard earned cash knowing they can't win.
@@fedvvvv addicts for one. and that makes it even more despicable what the casinos are doing
Facts
If they deny paying you out you can call the gaming commission and they’ll send out an officer who will make the casino pay you and possibly fine or punish the casino depending on the circumstances. It might be different on certain tribal lands though. Do your research
Lmaooo i love how they can just decide you are an “advantage player” in what is supposed and advertised as a game of chance 😂😂
Fantastic police officers
“Not gonna play games” or “I’m not gonna debate” etc 100% of the time means you are right, they would like to play games and cannot debate.
Exactly my experience over lifetime.
"Not gonna play games" - My dude. This is an entire business built around playing games. The only difference is they rig the games in their favor, and anyone who manages to find a way to gain the advantage is denied service. It should be illegal to take advantage of less capable people, and giving them free alcohol to make them make poor decisions. But instead we punish the observant people who manage to get lucky... and counting cards is not perfect, it still requires luck.
@@Bancheis it doesn’t require luck. That’s the point. If you play a thousand hands, your small statistical advantage will guarantee a net gain. If you’re at a net loss with a statistical advantage over thousands of games, you might as well have won multiple lotteries in a row in how unlucky you are. I would show you the math but I’m too lazy and you probably don’t care. But again, no luck involved in card counting. You just need to play a shit ton of hands to benefit.
@@blablabla7796 If you are keeping the bets small and playing hundreds of hands, sure. If you start off with a fresh deck and know every card that has already been dealt, sure. If your betting is not too aggressive and you don't lose all your winnings with a bad loss streak, sure. But if there is a bad loss streak when the numbers tell you otherwise, then there has to be some luck involved. Sure, you could probably do the math and find out the maximum you can bet and lose per hand at +5 and still come out ahead, but I still feel there is still going to be an element of luck involved.
What works for some might not work for others, and the crazy thing about statistics and calculations about averages is you can easily lose when you expect to win. This is the Gambler's Fallacy, and yes it does apply to Blackjack in the sense that you are expecting to win based on statistics. Gambler's Fallacy is most well known for the Monte Carlo incident where a game of roulette landed on black 26 times in a row. That's a one in 66.6 million chance to happen, yet it did. People lost millions that day because they expected a (roughly) 50/50 chance to balance out and for red to come up more and more as the spins went on. Statistically, red should be coming up more often, absolutely. But if you are working with small sample sizes, and you were unlucky enough to sit down right before this streak started, you probably lost money on it.
Counting the cards in successive deals from an unshuffled card deck, sure you can calculate that and win easy. However many casinos counteract card counting by adding more decks to the mix. The average is 6 decks, and some even run 8 decks. This severely impacts your odds, and while it may still be in your favor after a bunch of low cards, the odds don't change so much that you can guarantee high cards come out for you. Especially with others in the hand. There is always a chance the 1 in 66 million is going to happen to you, and with card counting from 6 or 8 decks, your odds are much more likely. Hence the Gambler's Fallacy.
@@Bancheis the point of card counting is to have a statistical edge. You don’t go in with the mindset that a 5% edge over the house and bet your life savings. You bet small and you play over the span of hours over multiple days. You should keep that in mind when card counting. You play so that luck _isn’t_ a factor. That’s the point.
Your whole spiel about the gambler’s fallacy doesn’t refute anything I’m saying. I’m not sure why you took time out of your day to say that.
Again, you count cards over hundreds if not thousands of hands. You bet a small amount and increase the bet proportional to your edge. You scale your bets vs your total initial investment so that the chance of you zeroing out your funds become as likely as winning the lottery.
I have literally no experience with gambling but I still am loving this series
yep same ashaha!
Good and stay far from any gambling sites or casinos ..
haha thank you! Honestly gambling is a dangerous hobby. Would not recommend unless counting 😂
same
@@stevenbridges Yea its better to do swagbucks where you do surveys! If I do that one day in my life, you need to play responsibly!
The clip with the actual police officer that came in sounded like an old cod lobby, but with way less slurs
That’s great surveillance backed you off when down. I love it
This series makes me want to go to casino’s without ID and play blackjack, and I can’t even count cards 🤣
He had ID (passport) but he knew he didn’t have to turn it over after showing ID to gain entry to the gaming floor. That’s why he kept saying he didn’t have it.
Pretty sure the casinos agree with you that's a good idea
They won't ask as long as you're losing money.
@@dr.floridamanphd Indian tribes can do pretty much as they please on their land. You can't go running to the cops. They _are_ the cops.
@@PervertHeart They don't care if you are winning or losing. What matters is whether you have an advantage. They _want_ winning Joe Blows to stay and play. By definition, winning players have money to lose.
This is pretty much the casino admitting that they’re scamming you and when they’re not scamming you they do not like it.
You mean when they are not scamming you to the degree they expect. Because he was called out even when he was down 3 grand.
@@CalaTec wow I didn’t think of that, that’s messed up to the point where I probably would never go casinos ever when I grow up
@@sleepingboiz8155 wise choice. Casinos exist because they are profitable for them, NOT you.
Huh ? What is the scam ?
@@exitscreaming4637 the casino, in a way, is making sure you don’t win money or win a small amount, as proof the guy was kicked out cause he won a lotta money for “cheating” so it’s kinda a scam 🤷🏽♂️
I just found you today and I keep watching and hitting the like button. You must have a great memory to keep track of the cards. It sounds really difficult to begin with. I don't think they treat you very well. A lot of these places come right out to cut you off for having a great memory
All in all it’s really cool of that police officer to count his chips to make sure they don’t cheat him. I’ve been cheated by casinos like that and that’s really cool even though it might seem risky, even to me in the moment
This video took me SO long! 😂 Thanks for your patience!
I never want to blur a face or caption a conversation ever again 😂
It is WILD to see my channel blowing up like this, really glad you are all enjoying the series!
Question, how many decks are in the shoe in US casinos? Also love the vids bro
you are an awesome storyteller and your videos are great
Love the videos, and looks like you're getting good with the titles to draw people in. The fab content is backed up by the good title so hopefully you keep getting the traction you deserve!
Just one thing. When the cops said that if you are doing more than counting cards it's a crime, they were probably alluding to saying that if you are actually cheating (ie using cameras, having a dealer tip cards to you, etc), it would be illegal.
@@bobjohn2000 Good call on that, i think youre probably right.
Casinos: This is a game of skill.
Player: (Uses card counting skills)
Casinos: You can't do that!!
@lygophile ''luck''
@lygophile the games are rigged
@lygophile what about the casinos that push the top card from the deck and picking up the one below it? Isn't that cheating
Very good cops, handled that perfect.
Lol I can’t wait for the deposition of these clowns😂😂 I wonder if it’s standard procedure to shut off your body camera during a call response..You in trouble
"Why can't I play anymore?"
"We aren't letting you play because you are an advantage player."
"What does that mean?"
"We feel you are an advantage player"
10/10 explanation skills
"What is the floor made of?"
"Floor"
Casinos seem to me almost as mafia-like organizations since I‘ve watched your videos. Incredible how the employees tried to push you down in this situation. You handled it very well, though and I‘m glad you mentioned the names of the casinos so anyone watching this is aware of what‘s going on in these facilities.
Casinos still retain not only the structures put in place when they were mafia-run, but also the lingo and the attitude of power at the higher levels. Where else can you work with someone whose title is The Pencil?
Casinos certainly contain some scummy parts - by their very nature, they're a 'funhouse' where people go in and essentially siphon off money to the owners. While individuals may get lucky here and there, there are so many people betting so often that the 'long run' is basically consistent, and the long run from the casino point of view is +EV on every game (except niches like - for example - an AP Blackjack player with a high enough count to gain the EV edge).
So to begin with, you have a business where they're siphoning off money from everyone, and they usually don't care who. The pensions of the elderly; that poor guy on his last hundred dollars who is so desperate he doesn't care about the odds. They will gladly take every last dollar from people that can't afford to lose said dollars. Individuals within the casino may be decent people, but the business itself is pretty heinous. It's also very profitable - if I could turn off the empathy centre of my brain, and I was a multi millionaire, I'd definitely look at starting a casino or sportsbook (which generally operate in the same way).
And because the casino's whole profit structure is based around all the games giving them the edge, they want to squash any interference with that notion immediately - so you get pit bosses, and in some cases, super aggressive pit bosses, who will do whatever they need to to get rid of players who have the edge over them.
They are
They don't just seem like it; they are!
That would make sense since Mafia control of casinos lasted up until the early 80's.
I live in Washington and lowkey need that list of casinos😂
Thank you for sharing this video .
Casinos are shady and I think it’s hilarious when you mess with Paul Blart
When paying attention makes you a millionaire. Thank you
@@Knucklehead4400 i would be like 6… oh that Floor looks nice… where was I?
Love you SJVT 😘
I'm the police in this house. I'd be happy to speak to a police officer.... Top notch response 👌👏well done
Why didn't you tell him he doesn't need to give his info to the police unless he has commited a crime.
So no thoughts about handing his ID over to the cops for no reason? He even said “it’s my right to hand over my ID to the cops” lol?
The person pretending to be a cop should not have had their face hidden.
Either they are arrested for impersonating an officer or have their life ruined. I'm all for it.
Probably tribal police. Folks need to remember when you are in an Indian casino you are not on U.S. territory. You don't have the normal legal protections. He would have been better off simply leaving with his chips and returning the next day to cash them out.
Wasn't there one of the other staff members be like, "we have a police officer right here", too.
He should get the same treatment...
its not illegal to impersonate police.
@@jimmythecrow I dunno what country your from but in the US and UK it is.
It’s tribal land
You handle that situation brilliantly, don’t know what you’re talking about
You don't have a legal right to give a police officer your ID unless you are suspected of committing a crime.
Depends on the state. Stop and I.D laws do exist in places.
Well said by the police officer: "If you can manipulate a system and victimize people that are multi-millionaires, more power to you" . He's probably fed up with Casinos himself lmao
Very well put
That's casino security.
that was tribe casino employee, not po po
Haha that casino employee is probably fed up of not enough pay and his bosses getting richer.
@@celluskh6009 Unfortunate for that security guard. He just put himself out of a job for sure lol.
This series is the absolute best thing on UA-cam right now. Loving it
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Hahha same thoughts, Steven just saying "fuck off you are not getting my ID" I could watch it forever
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Thank you! :D
I couldnt agree more
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thanks for the bullet in my right ear, really enjoyed it
Ive been through all of this and in the end there's nothing you can do.
The flow and editing of this series really brings home how much better independently created docs by motivated creators is than traditional TV. If this was a TV production company it would be overly narrated, ridiculously repetitive and simplified etc. Really makes me wonder do they know what they're doing, or does UA-cam work better because they can reach a niche audience. Anyway, this series is superb.
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Reality TV is fake. This is real. If this was on TV the producers or whomever would tell all of the casino staff how to act and what to say and there would be multiple takes.
tv trash is always geared toward the lowest common denominator. also they expect ppl to b tuning in and out randomly along with commercial breaks so you have to sum up ur idea into a very small simplistic catchy pitch while also being dramatic n exciting to hook ppl. The repetition comes from the expectation of ppl to be in and out every 5-10 mins without any clue what they just stumbled into.
So basically, tv is engineered to target a horde of drunken toddlers with severe ADHD.
I'm not even a niche audience, this randomly appeared in my recommended videos and I couldn't stop watching.
That one casino manager that you admitted counting to, is a real genuine human
That’s crazy you where at lucky eagle! I live 20mins from there and go there every Friday
Washington state resident here. Be happy to cash the chips out for you.
Just as an FYI, in the US, I'm quite sure that trespassing laws generally require you to refuse to leave in order to be legally trespassed. This means that as long as you leave when asked, you don't even need to show ID to the police. Certainly do your own research and take it with a grain of salt, but I just want to point that out in case it helps.
No, you got to show your ID to police as they were called to investing a potential crime and States have rules that you need to be able to identify yourself if needed. This is why all States have State ID's because you don't need a drivers license as proof of ID. However we are a population that drives for the most part so it's common to use that as an ID. I'm suspecting people that might have grown up in NYC or other large cities there might be a bunch that don't ever get a drivers license because they never own a vehicle, thus a State ID. Some States I believe it's free even.
@@Meekerextreme police have to have a reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime first (terry stop) before they can legally compel your ID. Being trespassed isn't a crime and no ID is required, violating a trespass would be different.
@@Meekerextreme You don't have to show any ID card to an officer (if you're not driving). You can identify yourself verbally, by providing name, date of birth... But before any of that, the police need to have a reasonable articulable suspicion that you have committed, are committing, or you're about to commit a crime.
@@Meekerextreme lul cops can't just ID you because they feel like it.
@@LucaFox My friend you don't live in the states do you? We value a certain kind of freedom here...a special kind of freedom...the freedom to not be truly free
As an ex croupier (dealer) i loved it when a card counter came to the table. They were diff to the average player in the confidence about cards. But in our casino we had what was called a big C. This cut the cards to 80% of the original cut of what an ordinary customer would get, but near the end of the shoe (8 deck of cards) the card counter would start maxing out bets and hit nearly 90% of the time. Which as a croupier was cool to see someone winning for a change. Since this was 20 years ago they were abit smarter and would win for about 3 shoes then leave till the next week.
I wonder how many times that security guard failed the police test? He wants to be law enforcement so bad lol
"I am a police officer inside this house", lol.