7 NEW HEARTHSTONE INTERACTIONS (Kingsbane, Lynessa Sunsorrow) | Kobolds and Catacombs
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- Disguised Toast tries out some interactions featuring the new Legendaries from Kobolds and Catacombs, Kingsbane and Lynessa Sunsorrow.
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There's a weird interaction that my friendd got into yesterday:
During a dungeon run, he had Snipe and Explosive Runes (new mage secret). The boss played a 1 health minion, that triggered both. Since the minion was dealt 4 damage from Snipe, it was at -3 Health. Then it was dealt 6 damage from Explosive Runes, bringing it to -9 health. This made the boss take 9 damage from Explosive Runes.
ImDeath the mage secret probably works by dealing the damage first, and then checking what the Overkill damage (the -x hp that is shown when a minion takes more damage than it's health). Afterwards, it deals the amount of Overkill damage it found to the enemy hero.
Are you aware that you're stealing clips from Disguised Toast 2? have you no shame!
But I thought Disguised Toast 2 is impersonating Disguised Toast??
Source: from myself ver 2, sounds good enough
He is, they steal each others videos for *INFINITE VALUE*
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I think what happens is that when a minion is playued while Spiritsinger is on the field, the game checks to see if it's a deathrattle minion. If not, Spiritsinger's effect isn't trigger and by extension, neither is the deathrattle, so, in other words...
Lynessa played => Deathrattle effect check for Spiritsinger => No deathrattle => Lynessa battlecry
vs
Moatlurker played => Deathrattle check for Spiritsinger => Deathrattle found => ML battlecry => Spiritsinger triggers deathrattle
So basically it should read:
"Keeps any enchantments. *deathrattle* shuffle back in your deck"
Should be.
But I'm sure that'd probably be "too confusing for new players".
Hey Toast. Can you test out interacting with other human beings? Some of us would like to know how it works. Thanks!
OfflineTV.. but he stays in his room oftenly
But wut about those games with Lily..?
Lily is not a human
Best.
I think the Umbra interaction is blizzards new 'checking' system. Lynessa didnt come onto the battlefield with a deathrattle to trigger so Umbra is checked to not proc any deathrattles after its battlecry. If this works the same with Unearthed raptor or the new cube then this certainly is a bug, but if those two dont trigger as well, then it is just the checking as it hits the field.
The cube should trigger since it's a deathrattle card. Same as moat lurker.
Nice video toast. A card that needs more testing and I would love to see you try is Temporus.
What if YOU play Temporus on your extra turn from your opponents Temporus?
What is Brann Temporus interaction?
What if your opponent plays Time Warp on their extra turn?
Thank, have a good one.
Brann + Temporous does nothing because it doesn't say take an extra turn but take 2 turns. Just like having multiple Brann activates battlecries only 2 times.
Kamikaze Satellite But would your opponent take 2 turns, then you take 2, and because brann it happens again?
question: if you are rogue, steal lynessa, played a shadowstep during the game.. you wont be able to play her, without her instantly putting herself back into your hand, right?
lmfao 7 mana do nothing and take a slot into your hand benbrode level of troll right there
I wonder if you used multiple Shadowsteps would the cost reduction stack?
If so, I'm sure you could do some crazy shit with an infinitely self-bouncing 0-Cost minion - even if it's a seriously unlikely setup.
you cant really plan a deck around maybe stealing a lynessa though. also, there are no battlecry buffs, so no matter how much you buff her, she would always go back to your hand and do nothing. maybe trigger a knife juggler for 7 mana...
OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa Once lynessa get shadowstep, she will instantly go back to your hand and do nothing (kinda like if you shadowstep yogg)
Yogg is a different scenario, because 1: Yogg *used* to continue to work once he shadow stepped himself, and 2: Yogg chooses random targets, while Lynessa always targets herself. If I have see anything from HS, it's that being in the hand does not interfere with spells that trigger at funny times. The idea that the shadowsteps stack is worth exploring.
Hey Toast, yesterday I played The Darkness with Brann against my friend and put 6 candles into his deck. When he drew the 4th candle his game crashed. Can you test this out?
Keep up the good work Toast.
鍾皓宇 If that happens to everyone, I'm gonna crash my opponent's game
i play darkness in my hero change kingsblade rogue, so when i throw out my double darkness he usually draws 1-2 on the first draw. I've never had my own game crash, or my own opponent have a leaving crash when they draw the 4th candle. hopefully this helps
The key thing about the death rattle is that it is gained. It only triggers off of death rattle minions. The ordering is, does it have battlecry, does it have deathrattle, then gain effects. What happened with moat lurker is that it has deathrattle with or without the battlecry. When summoned it has battlecry yes, answered yes for deathrattle then the effect of what it destroyed and umbra happened .with linesssa it's yes battlecry, no deathrattle, the effects gained and applied.
Tldr, keywords are checked yes or no first, then the effects occur.
I think you should have tested the Umbra battlecry/deathrattle interaction with the rouge card that copies a deathrattle to see if it works the same. Because it is not a deathrattle minion but gains it during the battlecry
About adaptation+Lynessa: can it be that Lynessa always chooses one of three buffs randomly? Like, u had and picked poison and lynessa picked poison, you picked had windfury or spell shield or 3rd adaptation and lynessa picked spell shield
That could be the case. 2 tries is still not enough.
The interaction you should really test is Umbra + Unearthed Raptor. Both Lynessa and Raptor gain their deathrattles through their battlecries and do not originally have Deathrattle.
wanted to say the same
ua-cam.com/video/mzgz3EKFqfk/v-deo.html
Seems like Lynessa is not working as intended (or the raptor is bugged, and Lynessa is correct).
EDIT: Turns out, the change a few months back to how battlecries resolve (think wild pyro + shadow madness ua-cam.com/video/3nJDHtyh7PU/v-deo.html) actually made raptors and lynessa behave the same way. Neither will proc the umbra effect anymore.
The raptor says the word deathrattle in his description, maybe that's affect.
Hey Toast! Something funny happened to me the other day: The new mage secret (Explosive Runes) dealt 7 damage to the enemy hero even tho I had no spellpower on the board. I think what happened is the opponent summoned a 3 health minion that triggered BOTH my Snipe (hunter secret) and then my Explosive Runes. The 3 health minion had -1 life when the rune acted on it, resulting in my opponent's hero taking 6-(-1)=7 damages. Is that correct? Could you check Explosive Rune, sniper and other effects interractions please? :)
The damage dealt to the enemy hero is based on how negative the health goes, I saw a hearthstone mythbuster video showing off that interaction.
Definitely makes sense. That's how math works!
Try Lynessa and djinni of zephyrs
That I would love to see.
To answer why Umbra doesn't trigger Lynessa is the way they reworked the ordering of mechanics. Hearthstone compiles all the applicable effects and triggers, then executes.
>Plays Lynessa
>Umbra checks for deathrattle
>No deathrattle, continue with Lynessa being played
>Lynessa gains spikeridge steed
>Plays Moat Lurker
>Umbra checks for deathrattle
>Deathrattle found, trigger it after battlecry and Umbra is still on board
>battlecry happens
>moat lurker kills minion
>umbra triggers deathrattle
A thing I noticed. With both adaptations you did with Lynessa, she picked the one on the far right. This is something worth testing, I feel.
The closest thing to Lynessa deathrattle to test is probably the undead raptor (the rogue 3 mana 3/4 battlecry copy the deathrattle of a friendly minion). Raptor himself doesnt have a deathrattle but gain one with his battlecry.
there is a possible bug, when Explosive Runes trigger on a minion with negative health (for example 1 health minion getting hit twice by knifejuggler [played before explosive runes]). it assignes excess damage as DMG minus HEALTH, what in mentioned situation results in 7 dmg to the face from Runes.
Dawid Mutwicki Hysteria is gonna find an otk with this, just you wait.
If you have a Voraxx, and when you go to buff it, would the Voraxx additional buffs would go to Lynessa's battlecry?
No. You (The Hero) Must cast the spell. The card text reads as The Vorax casting the spell. You can test this with Yogg. Spells cast on The Vorax doesn't count for Yogg.
6:20 It doesn't work because Lynessa has to have an original deathrattle to be activated by Umbra, Lynessa is not a deathrattle minion so it doesn't work... i dont know if you guys understand, Umbra doesn't activate the Deathrattle if the card doesn't have deathrattle when the card is in your hand. That also means that Umbra doesn't activate Unearthed Raptor's deathrattle by the same reason.
Toast, I ran into something interesting the other day. I played a jeweled macaw against a mage that had swamp King dred and explosive runes. Explosive runes triggered first, dealing 5 damage to my face and killing my minion, but apparently dred still had to attack due to his effect, so he also hit my face, causing me to take another 9 damage. I thought this might be something you could test and explain.
That's a funny bug, you'd think that Dred would still attack the macaw, even if it was already "dead"
An Interaction I'd like to be tested is: what happens if you play The Darkness, then Benedictus so you also have the candles in the deck. will the candles you draw from your deck trigger The Darkness, or do just the ones from your opponents deck count?
What happens when you play Lynessa Sunsorrow after you've used Unstable Evolution a few times? Does it stop after 1 or will it continue for each Evolution used?
GCD pretty hard to test!
Shaman v Pally, Lorewalker Cho and Evolution
Have you tested the interaction between your face and lilypichu's face?
lolz what the heck?!
I ship it
Did you try testing Umbra with Unearthed Raptor? I think that card is more comparable to Lynessa.
Or new hunter card, gain deathrattle from deck
I tested and unearthed raptor is actually activated by umbra meanwhile he doesn’t have a deathrattle in his textbox, si i think that spikered steed should ne activated by umbra
toto lolo Huh. Inconsistencies in Hearthstone cards? Well, I never!
toto lolo Liar, Raptor does not trigger anymore after mechanics update. It did earlier though.
Or try using faceless manipulator on a deathrattle with Umbra on board
If Spiritsinger umbra gets Val'anyr's deathrattle while in hand will she trigger her own deathrattle? i don't have the cards to test it myself
The interaction between Lyra and Umbra is actually correct. I remember they changed a bit how these kind of interactions work. When Lyra is summoned, but before the battlecry triggers, Umbra will look at it, see that it has no deathrattle, and ignores it.
Cristi Mirt yep
Cristi Mirt Lyra?
Only going by the effect, it shouldn't check for a deathrattle to trigger. It doesn't say "after you summon a minion", implying it should try to trigger the effect for every minion you summon, whether they have a deathrattle or not.
i experienced a bug where i had following secrets in play: snipe and explosive runes, my opponent played a 2 health minion, the snipe secret made it a -2 health minion and the explosive rune did 8 damage to the opponent's hero instead of 6 damage.
I had the same thing
I guess it means that explosive runes check for minion's health, then dealing the damage. What order do you play them?
i don't know, they were played at the same time it was in dungeon run where u can start with 3 secrets at the start of the game
Hey Toast, I came across a very strange interaction in a dungeon run earlier today, I had drafted horn of Cenarius and pulled out a dark iron dwarf, a knife juggler, and a doom guard (they were on the board in that order but all came out at the same time). The knife juggler activated only once. I was wondering if you would want to take the time to come across these strange new interactions. Of course, you will, being the most educated hearthstone player as well as the memiest. Anyways, cheers, big fella.
That's just because the cards are not actually summoned at the same exact time. As far as I'm aware, nothing in HS really happens simultaneously. They were probably put into play in the order they occurred in your deck. So the animation put them all on board, but really it was dwarf, juggler, and then doomguard. Since the Knife Juggler was technically in play while Doomguard was summoned, a single knife was triggered.
You have to put knife juggler down first in order to jungle new knives
A good way to test the umbra interaction would be with Rouges raptor that copies a deathrattle with its battlecry
Carnivorous cube a carnivorous cube and then carnivorous cube again
I wonder if Lynessa will continue to cast spells on herself if she gets the "can't be targeted by hp and spells" adaptation
I wonder if the adaptation on Lynessa picks from all possible adapts, or only ones shown when the initial spell was cast. Between the two tests this is unconfirmed.
I thought you will show the interaction between shadowboxer and elixir of lifesteal, one of the 4 unidentified priests potions. Apparently it causes a loop, where shadowboxer pings after healing, heals your face from the ping, thus pings again. And again and again. Easiest OTK ever, with two shadowboxers, just keep in mind you need to be on low hp in order to do the combo.
Thanks Toast! I came across an interaction between Wandering Monster and Misdirection. Opponent attacked my face, triggered Wandering Monster first, then triggered Misdirection second, bypassing the summoned minion and attack my face.....
Hey Toast awesome showing off these interactions! I have a question about Umbra though. Does her trigger Deathrattle work with Unearthed Raptor? I think that may be a better example as it is a minion that does not naturally have a deathrattle attached to it. That result may be a more apt comparison since she does not have a natural deathrattle attached to her and only gains it through her battlecry.
If it does then I'd say I'm still confused, but I don't own the cards so I can't test this theory without dropping money.
mentalkitty789 agreed. I had the same train of thought when he opted for Moat Lurker. Unearthed Raptor technically doesn’t have the Deathrattle Keyword as its actual effect (and thus doesn’t get resurrected by N’Zoth, whereas Carnivorous Cube and Moat Lurker do, just without their actual Deathrattle effect), and neither does Lynessa
Lynessa doesn't have a deathrattle originally. Umbra won't trigger the spell added deathrattle, as a Battlecry can only happen after the summon takes place.
This is intended, and is not a bug.
Then the wording is wrong. N'zoth somewhat makes sense since it specifically says "deathrattle minions", which is a category of cards (cards which have a "base" deathrattle, not an "artificial" one). Umbra however suggests that if you play ANY minion, its deathrattle should trigger. And to prove this point, the HS gamepedia says that Battlecries trigger BEFORE an "after you summon" effect (tested with Knife Juggler), which Umbra has. However, this might be outdated, can't check right now.
You should test if Unearthed Raptor's Deathrattle Activates when Deathspeaker Umbra is on the field, since it gains the deathrattle during it's battlecry as well.
Toast again with the disclosures on blizzards forgotten interaction code. Keep it up Toast I'm sure they won't put you in Blizzard Jail again :P
You should play Lynessa on turn 10 and see if the forbidden healing buff spends your remaining mana.
Justin Smeer it wouldn’t. It casts copies of your spells outside your hand
yes but the spell reads "spend your remaining mana" so if you cast forbidden healing on another minion then played Lynessa on 10 the forbidden healing should take away your remaining 3 mana.
Justin Smeer technically you aren’t the one playing the spell, therefore the “your remaining mana” is null, there is no player casting it.
ya except yogg overloads you and also spends mana
Does Lynessa drain all your mana if you played forbidden healing on a friendly minion?
TheLakenu was wondering same
TheLakenu I'd say no. Yogg doesn't either.
or wait. Yogg does
Does Umbra work with Seeping Oozeling or Unearthed Raptor? Those two cards also do not have a deathrattle and could gain one as a result of their battlecry. If those two work, then so should Lynessa. If not, then the reasoning could be the same as Silvermoon Portal/Wild Pyro interaction change. When the card entered play, the effect (deathrattle) was not there yet, thus it did not trigger. Or Umbra has incorrect wording and behind the scenes actually reads "After you summon a DEATHRATTLE minion, trigger its deathrattle". I could see why the extra word would be omitted since most of the time it seems redundant.
GoodEgor idk about seeping oozeling, but I know for a fact that unearthed raptor does NOT work with umbra after several dungeon runs as rogue.
If you compare it to Magic the Gathering you can explain why.
Altough Umbra’s effect would resolve after Battlecry resolve it would still need to be triggered and wait for its turn to resolve. Upon summoning the creature it doesnt have deathrattle so Umbra never triggers and never get put on the stack to resolve
MTG rules don't apply. HS has no stack system, everything triggers and resolves in one step before others trigger. Toast's description is accurate: Either Umbra is misworded (very plausible) or this is not the intended interaction.
GoodEgor its good to see that Egg Goodor uses his superior mind acquiesced from watching and editing way too much NLSS content for some thinking
umbra + unearthed raptor used to work before the mechanics update where they changed the order of things getting triggered
I would like to know if Umbra causes a minion buffed by Valanyr to immediately reequip the weapon.
I think it would because it is before everything else. Whereas lynessa is using a spell that technically requires it to be on the field to be buffed.
Interaction between Toast and Lily?
I think the Umbra/Lynessa interaction comes down to the "validation" phase recently introduced. At the moment Lynessa hits the board, because she doesn't have Deathrattle, Umbra's trigger fails to validate. Thus, even when she gains Deathrattle via her Battlecry, Umbra's ability cannot trigger because it wasn't validated. (This is the same as the Celestial Dreamer/Jungle Giants interaction.)
Get a lynessa with a rogue boomerang your own minion and see if you get a wepon when you play lunessa
this is a really interesting question!!
One thing you got SO CLOSE to testing, but didn't was the healing on Forbidden healing.
Because you did the test with 0 mana, we couldn't tell.
If you heal a minion with forbidden healing, what will Lynessa do? Will she heal for the same amount for free? Will she heal for the same amount for mana cost? Or will forbidden healing act like normal, as a fresh cast? Spending your remaining mana that turn and healing for that amount?
KeppyKe k
It will work the same as when Yogg casts it.
Forbidden Healing should consume the remainder of your mana as if it were a fresh cast.
Red Sparrow, yog cost 10 so you have 0 mana == heal 0, lynssa cost 7. It should spend 3 and heal for 6. It's not possible to tell with you unless you get a coin or some other mana token
So With Lynessa Sunsorrow - I think you shuld test with Voxx - the plant that casts ANother copy of a spell on a 1/1 it creates, when cast on it. Also test the Djinn, If a Djnn is on the board... and you play lynessa, does it copy the spells onto itself. Hmm.
I second this
No, you're not casating the spells yourself
To everyone asking if rogue's unearthed raptor works the same as Lynessa, I just tested it and it is consistent. The raptor's deathrattle that it gains from its battlecry does not trigger Umbra just the same as Lynessa.
check out interaction between snipe and explosive rune secret. you can get more than 6 overkill damage with it
I found a bug when my Hunter was attacking with Candleshot, I played the Hunter DK. The "Immune" visual effect was active for the rest of the game, Idk if my opponent could see it, but I certainly WASNT immune when he bursted me with Velen + Mindblast LOL
Mr Copycat
Report it to Blizzard.
If Lynessa adapts "can't be targeted by spells or hero powers" will she continue to be affected by spells after the adapt?
Yes, she's not being targeted. Similarly if you put that card that gives +1/+1 to all your minions (forgot what its called) it would trigger on a minion with can't be targeted with spells or hero powers.
I'd like to test the interaction of you and me over drinks next blizzcon.
1) What happens if u play 2x Lynessa Sunsorrow does the second one takes double buffs?
2) Entomb enemy Lynessa Sunsorrow/ Entomb enemy minion with Lynessa Sunsorrow in your hand interaction?
3) Weasel Tunneler buffed by you/ oppo and Lynessa Sunsorrow, wich buffs will she take?
3-2) Weasel Tunneler kill by you/opp with a spell, will Lynessa Sunsorrow be targeted by that spell?
for the first question i think it's won't trigger twice because we didn't cast those spell on Lynessa she cast it herself(like the Yogg)
Entomb will give you unbuffed Lynessa and it will cast your buffs, not your opponent's.
If you! cast a buff, it is going to be casted by Lynessa. No matter the target of spells.
That's not my point. When u cast entomb it is considered as it was casted on one of your minions ( see Djinni of Zephyrs+ entomb interaction). I guess if Lynessa Sunsorrow will go back into your deck
Oh, probably she will entomb herself.
Spiritsinger Umbra + Lynessa + Spikeridged Steed: This is a casualty of the trigger validation change from a few patches back. Since Lynessa didn't have a deathrattle when she was played, Spiritsinger Umbra didn't trigger it in the after summon resolution step. If Lynessa had existed before that patch, Spiritsinger Umbra would absolutely have triggered the Spikeridged Steed-granted deathrattle, just like how a Wild Pyromancer would trigger when it was summoned by Silvermoon Portal or Mindgames, or how it would trigger when switching sides from Shadow Madness or Mind Control.
Moat Lurker is a completely different case. Moat Lurker always has a deathrattle, it just doesn't do anything until the battlecry resolves. However, since it does have a deathrattle at all, Spiritsinger Umbra sees it as valid to trigger when it enters play, so the trigger resolves in the after summon step.
The Lynessa interaction also happens exactly the same way as Unearthed Raptor + Umbra. The deathrattle that Unearthed Raptor gains used to trigger immediately, but it no longer does: ua-cam.com/video/mzgz3EKFqfk/v-deo.html
3:15 It says "Adpation"
It doesn't work on lynessa because her battlecry works the same as Yogg, when she is played she casts spells, so the order goes:
1.Lynessa is played
2.Battlecry queues up spells
3.Lynessa is summoned on the battlefield
4.Spiritsinger checks if the minion summoned has a battlecry
5.Battlecrys spells are casted on lynessa
You mean Spiritsinger checks if the minion has a deathrattle
I actually know of another interaction you can demonstrate, Toast. This came up in a dungeon run for me. I got a Snipe from the random secret relic and then played Explosive Rune. When the AI played a 2/2, I ended up dealing 8 damage with explosive rune. You also might want to test it with Spell Damage as, depending on how things are coded, you may get to "double dip" with Spell Damage and Explosive Rune.
Just checked Spell Damage and Explosive Rune. It doesn't do anything funny. But Snipe + Explosive is still a combo.
I think a better comparison to the Umbra+Lynessa interaction would be Umbra+Seeping Oozeling, since that doesn't have deathrattle as a keyword, and only gains it after the battlecry phase, but before the summon phase. Can you test if Umbra triggers the Oozeling's newly gained deathrattle?
It doesn't. Btw this was testable before with Unearthed Raptor. Up until Patch 9.2 Umbra triggered. After that not anymore. That's because of the rule changes.
Before 9.2 the basic scheme for a sequence was: Collect triggers for phase, resolve triggers, repeat. This lead to such things as Wild Pyromancer being summoned by Mindgames in the Spell Text Phase. Then the After Spell Phase collected its triggers (including the newly summoned Pyro) which then triggered.
In 9.2 the changed the scheme to: Collect triggers of all phases, then resolve phases with exactly those triggers (and no new ones). So before Raptor/Lynessa hits the board, HS "broadcasts" all the info about what's going to happen (i.e. "7 mana, 1/1, legendary, has battlecry, no deathrattle" etc) to all triggers. Those then decide whether to queue or not in their respective phase. Since Lynessa has no DR, Umbra/Raptor do not queue and they have no way to enter the queue.
(Note: queued triggers may still leave the queue tho, i.e. Redemption may have queued for the death sequence of an Eggnapper, but decides to leave the queue later when it would be its turn to trigger, but the board is full due to the 1/1 Raptors)
If you cast 2 Lynessas, does the 2nd one twice the buffs?
DjMaffi nope
DjMaffi no. Because it says the buffs YOU cast. And when you play the first one. She is casting the buffs
You should've used Unearthed Raptor as an example instead of Moat Lurker.
Rares Geo it would have been a better to have done this with just unearthed raptor than Lynessa in the first place. Umbra+Unearthed used to work before the recent change to the game mechanics couple months back, but now it doesn't. Umbra now checks prior to battlecry while triggering afterwards.
Does the djinn get lynessa buffs?
ScrewThisGame thats interesting
and do the copies onto the djinn count for lynessa?
If you snipe and explosive runes a minion with less than 4 health the excess damage from the snipe will also hit face!
you should try umbra + unearthed raptor
the raptor also doesn't naturally have deathrattle, but gets a deathrattle enchantment from its battlecry
rodriguez aymeric
Umbra triggers the deathrattle of the raptor. This is why I dont understand why it doesnt work with Lynessa...
@Disguised Toast The reason the Deathrattle/Battlecry interaction works differently for Lynessa than for Moat Lurker is the same reason Malkazar's Imp works with Cataclysm and Deathwing. When the minion hits the battlefield is when things are checked, THEN they do them in a specific order. So for Lynessa, it hits play and has no deathrattle, so it does not queue that up.
For Moatlurker, it does have a deathrattle, so it queues it up, even though there is no minion influenced yet. Then the battlecry happens, and it saves that info. Then the deathrattle resolves and it looks for the tag, which has happened by now, and gives you your 1/1 dude. I believe it is working as it is worded, based on the previous examples of multiple things happening at the same time before.
Though I know it's an edge case, I found in a dungeon that Snipe and Explosive Runes interact with one another. I had the treasure that gives three random secrets, those two among them. My opponent played a 1 health minion. Snipe triggered first, killing the minion. Then Explosive Runes triggered, sending all 6 damage to face, but interestingly, it also carried over the remaining damage from Snipe, resulting in 9 face damage.
I'm not sure if any way this could be done reliably in standard, but it was an interesting thing to see.
Explosive Runes actually deals increased damage if the minion has negative health. Since Snipe deals 4 damage to the minion and it only has 1 HP it effectively has -3 HP, so Explosive Runes deals 6+3 damage. No idea why, but that's what happens.
Test a bunch of "the darkness" stuff, since it's a relatively unique card.
Since the lynessa+spikeridged didn't trigger umbra, I'm curious to see if the same is true for a minion buffed by val'anyr as its deathrattle would also be "unnatural."
Very interesting question...
The point why it doesn't trigger atm is the new rule changes from Patch 9.2 where they defined that first all triggers for sth are collected and then all phases happen (i.e. Mindgames is played, everything that can trigger queues up and only those who queued up do resolve, no matter what came out of Mindgames).
For Lynessa Umbra can't trigger as she simply has no DR when her play sequence starts and there is no way for her to enter the queue later.
So my theory atm for Val'anyr is that it will trigger Umbra, but tbh the Advanced Rulebook is far from being up to date.
So glad you're making more useful videos instead of just straight up playing the game. Nothing wrong with playing the game but it's great you're helping us out. You took the the extra step. You could have just taken the easy way out. Props to you Toast
You should try with unearthed raptor, the battlecry seems more similar than moat lurker.
Voltik I was thinking the same thing
The thing about Umbra is, or rather about every type of minion is that if an effect states "Deathrattle minion", it only triggers off of minions who originally have Deathrattle, that's why Raptor doesn't get summoned by N'Zoth.
It doesn't state "deathrattle minion", though...
After you summon A MINION, trigger IT'S DEATHRATTLE effect.
To go in Detail here, Lyrra doesnt have a Deathrattle effect by itself. The Deathrattle she get's is not her own.
Does Umbra trigger if you play a minion with Adapt and give it living spores?
If it does, then we have yet another case of I N C O N S I S T E N C Y.
My favorite UA-cam video ever- coming back here after 3 years just to say this-
Here's an interaction. If you play The Darkness and it gets awakened and then you Shadow caster it for a 1 Mana 1/1 when that 1/1 awakens will it still be a 1/1 or a 20/20?
Is it being a 1/1 a debuff it has? I don't know, but I assume that if it is a debuff of somekind it would be removed because of the dormant state and The Darkness would be a 20/20
What if lynessa’s first spells are adapt and she becomes untargetable. Do the rest of the buffs carry on as the card does say cast all previous buffs onto her.
This is the question I've been hoping to see answered for a while now. My assumption is she doesn't get any more buffs after the untargetable.
I'd like to see the interaction between hammer and laptop when you opponent kills you.
I found a really fun one. If you play the druid quest, once it's completed you can recruit any minion from your deck as a 0 mana minion, even if the summoning condition is 4 or less and the minion costs 10.
My favourite thing now is using oaken summons to pull out a deathwing.
If you play a spell on a Voraxx or with a Djinni of Zephyrs on board - does it cast the spells on Lynessa twice?
8:00 that combo is vile in wild. Moat lurker a sylvannas. It triggers her DR twice and you gain an extra sylvanas.
Hey Toast !
If Lynessa gets "can't be targeted by spells or hero power" trough adapation during her battlecry does she still get the other buff after ?
Yes because she isn't being targeted.
You can't be target by speel or hero power but if it count as a battlecry then she should still be targeted
Vaknir Tseifo Damen nope. It works the same as arcane missiles hitting untargetable minions... you aren't choosing a target so it works
Try "Escape Death" and "Deathwing: Dragonlord" to see if Deathwing would resummon itself after it dies
it summons itself with duplicate so i'd think it'll summon itself with cheat death
The Lynessa Spiritsinger interaction makes me curious as to how Spiritsinger interacts with Unearthed Raptor. Since Raptor isn't inherently a deathrattle, but applies the deathrattle during the battlecry like Lynessa would. This would help to make a better argument in the Lynessa case as there would be an interaction already in the game to look at.
I just tested it, umbra does not trigger an unearthed raptor that copied a deathrattle.
What about Lynessa and Shadowstep? Will she never be in play because she'll get bounced back?
Joe Shmo1 yes
shadow step works only on your own minions i am more scared about silence
Andre Rau I meant as in if paladin had gotten a copy of shadowstep whether it be cho or someone else
There's a bug with King ToggWaggle. When the "King's Ransom" Spell is played, you're able to see the entirity of the opponent's deck. imgur.com/a/M5mpC
Sounds like a feature to me!
if it keeps that same order that completely OP.
Is it displaying tje deck you received or given?
Nuvcore™ yeah in the screenshot you can see I'm playing mage and the deck I'm looking at is a paladin one
Hey Toast, here are some things you can test:
-Does Lynessa keep getting buffed if she get's can't be targeted by spells or hero powers?
-How does lyra get affected by other class spells like unwilling sacrafice, shadowstep m, etc.
About first - yeah, she's still getting buffs after getting membrane
hey bro, if i remember well savjz got cant be targeted with lynessa's adaptation and she still got the other buffs
Mage quest with Temporus.
The part that is different about Lynessa is that it is the target of the buff spells it's casting. To be a valid target for the spell, it needs to be a minion on the board, which means that the summon has to happen before the battlecry. I believe this behavior is similar to Yogg Saron casting buffs on itself. If Umbra was on board and Yogg gained a deathrattle through a random spell, the deathrattle wouldn't trigger, because Yogg was summoned before casting spells, in order to be a valid target of those spells.
This is incorrect. If there was a snipe in play lynessa would not die and will not be hit untill after she is buffed. This is because the spell and the minion lands before the battlecry is over, as snipe will trigger immediately afterwards. This points towards it being an error in wording. Test it if you do not believe me.
If Lynessa chooses the 'non-targetable' Adaptation, will she further buff herself with the spells you chose?
No, in the video you can see that this is not the case 5:40
In that case, wasn't Adaptation the last spell Toast casted on his minions?
If you draw the warlock spellstone with Kobold Librarian, it gets upgraded
I want you to test the toast and hafu interaction
The spiritsinger spike ridge interaction is that way because of a recent patch. As the battle cry is about to happen, the game checks for everything that will trigger off of spiritsinger. At that moment, there is no death rattle, and so no death rattle is triggered. This was intentional and Hearthstone released a video about it a few weeks ago
The moat lurker has the death rattle to trigger as it is summoned, so it does go on the list of triggers. When the death rattle is triggered, it checks if the battle cry went off
Exactly this, yes. It is the reason M's Imp works with Deathwing and Cataclysm too.
What happens when you doomerang one of your minions and then you play Lynessa? Will your current weapon be thrown again? Or will it calculate the result with your old weapon? Will you get his one back on the hand again, ...?
Doomerang is a Rogue spell, and Lynessa is a Paladin legendary. The two should never meet, but if you forced it to happen with Lorewalker Cho or something, I wonder what would happen too...
Justice / Shohei you could very easily get a copy with rogues steal cards
My first guess would be that Lynessa is not given deathrattle by the Spikeridged Steed, they are probably treated separately in the game's code. The steed has a deathrattle that triggers when the minion it enchants dies, but steed is obviously not a minion and will not be affected by Umbra's effect.
Does lynessa choose an adaptation randomly from the whole pool of adaptations, or only from the pool of choices that were presented to the player?
So a sample size of 6 is not that big, but between the two in the video, and the four adaptions I tested, all used one of the three choices that were presented to the player. I did not see any other pattern (in particular, it isn't always the right-most option that gets picked).
Note that umbra have "its deathrattle", which referes to a minion, while summoning 2/6 is rather a Spikeridged Steed's deathrattle, so it doesn't work for the same reason as for why N'zoth does not bring back minions that gained deathrattle instead of having it.
What happens if you use hammer of wrath on your own minion, then heal one of your minions and play lynessa? Does she die or survive?
A way to double check Lynessa is to use unearthed raptor, if that's possible
What happens when you play Lynessa after you have played shadow step on a minion? Does she just return to your hand every time you play it?
Battlecry: Return to your hand and cost 2 less.
That REALLY needs to be checked, it would be hilarious!
Yes it will 100%
A streamer actually did it. It keeps returning
I think the way Lynessa deathrattle works is consistent. But you could make good arguments for it to be the other way.