I haven’t looked at the flight paths, so I can’t say how long the flights will be. But I can say - it’s going to feel like an eternity for someone sitting next to witsit.
As there were talk of airplanes and flight times, I read that as zero _emission._ I realised I read it wrong, but it is still correct. Hot air doesnt count as emission.
As anyone can submit, I think there will be submissions. (Even if it is a globe earther, doing flat earth math just for fun. 👀) And then, the closest one will still be wrong by A LOT. But still be considered the winner. Either way, this will be fun to watch. :P
@@HOOOLD_ON Sydney to Santiago, just run directional gyros and compass on the flight and make sure there are land mass photos out the window where possible. Job done!!! Now go and have a cold drink to see if you can EXTINGUISH-YOUR-HOT-AIR, while you watch satellite TV from a satellite connected to a HOT-AIR-BALLOON !!!!! 😂😭😂🤣
@@HOOOLD_ON It's fascinating how, since Jeran buried his ISS footage, flerfs have been refusing to check for themselves that satellites exist in orbits around Earth...
@@nofanfare7426 The path is entirely on the ocean, it passes south of New Zealand heading south east, reaches 61.5° south and then goes north east until it reaches Santiago. Prof Phil Bell says that you can see from the right side of the plane the ice of Antarctica in the middle section.
Flat earthers be like: "Well, we never said it was flat, but it's definitely not a globe, floating through space. The heliocentric model is just wrong".... yada yada yada... 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🎉
@@drmantistoboggan2870 well playing a flatter, I say the computer on the plane will spit out globe numbers, regardless of anything. No reason for it not to.
I can measure all of these distances on my SCALED desk globe, and they all match reality. I simply multiply my measurement by the scale, which is 880 miles per INCH. Asking flerfs to do this on a flat world map/model makes them do one of two things : 1) Kick, scream and obfuscate, or 2) Run. Just another trivially easy way to destroy Flatpopia.
Flight path measurements using my 9” George F. Cram Co. Classic Globe with a scale of 880 miles per 1 inch (standard 9” globe scale) rounded to the nearest 0.05” : London, UK to Santiago, Chile measures 8.3". 8.3” x 880 = *7304 miles* . Atlanta, GA to Santiago, Chile measures 5.4". 5.4” x 880 = *4752 miles* . Los Angeles to Santiago, Chile measures 6.4". 6.4” x 880 = *5632 miles* . Sydney, AU to Santiago, Chile measures 8". 8” x 880 = *7040 miles* .
@@ReValveiT_01 should also add in Sydney to LA distance. Always love pointing that one out to flat earthers when comparing sydney to santiago since the distances make no sense at all for flat earth.
@@Requiem4aDr3Am I can verify that this flight is direct too... just in case they make some strange claims. I have taken that flight many times... often enough that I call LA airport "laxative".
@@cryptomooner4366 Perhaps I misinterpreted the video. Was Will asking us to physically measure the distances from Sydney, LA, London and Miami(?) to Santiago? If that’s the case I think there’s going to be very few entries into the competition.
that isnt a rule brother friend im a flat earther because G Bush sr was pushed into nasa the day i watching a guy on the ISS doing water tricks they pushed bush sr in his wheel chair rights past the astronaut on a green screen in a warehouse and that and that sent me on a truth journey. was hard to break free from the spaceball traveling with 8 greek buddys chaseing the sun around our milkyway.
@@parody_mike well perhaps you shouldn't drive and type on your phone at the same time then. For one, you wrote complete nonsense, for another, you could kill someone, dipshit.
What happens when 2 airplanes are going in opposite directions at the same time? Does the jet-stream split in two, one part blows East and the other part blows West?
he said he is getting the data from the planes computers, which can be programed to say anything. If the computer says they got there on a unicorn, 1 hop, 1 skip and 1 jump is all it took, would that make it true?
he said he is getting the data from the planes computers, which can be programed to say anything. If the computer says they got there on a unicorn, 1 hop, 1 skip and 1 jump is all it took, would that make it true?
@@MATTINCALI we can compare the predictions of the trips. Unless they employ a hugely different aircraft from Sydney (and we can verify that VERY EASILY), we can safely assume that the 4 aircrafts have similar efficiency and performance during the flight. So, if the travel times are, let's say, within 50% from each other, then the distances cannot be 300% from one another. If the predictions of FE will be that the distance from Sydney to Chile is 3 times that from London to Chile, you'd have to explain how you can fly 3x faster with the same aircraft (with no sonic boom), with the same amount of fuel, on the same planet. And also why can't we travel at those absurd speeds all the time, but only in the southern hemisphere. And simply saying "jet stream" won't be sufficient
@@MATTINCALI If the computers are programmed with wrong data or false algo, the planes would perhaps find a unicorn but not reach their destination. What makes it true is: time.
Perfect video for jimygod who comments here regularly, he has the "Flat Earth Flight Navigation Map" yes folks jimmy's got it, cmon jimmy predict those flight distances using that elusive map you are keeping secret !
I love the fact that one of the participants is actually flying from Sydney to Santiago, because us globetards have been using this exact route for years to debunk flatearthers! And I've seen some absolutely hilarious responses from some flatearthers, they say stuff like _"those flights don't exist, and a stop over will be added in the northern hemisphere at the last minute, or else the flight will be cancelled!"_ and I've often heard them say the planes can fly super-fast to make up the distance, or that the people on the flights get brainwashed to think it was only a 13 hour flight, or that there are fake TV screens on the windows to make you think you are flying over water, etc..
The hardest part for the FE side will be to come up with a model/map, that allows precise predictions compatible with reality in the short time this challenge runs.
still waiting for flat earthers to try to explain how these planes flying the route you mentioned are able to exceed their maximum operating distance based on fuel by nearly three times. Because that's what it would take for any flat earth route between those two cities.
Any time I proposed a calculation about Sydney Santiago the answer was "you are just making assumptions" "the declaration of the airline company doesn't mean that the flight really takes that time" "I am sure that the satellite/GPS tracking gets manipulated" "jet streams that go in both directions depending on altitude (250 mph)"
@@tbrown3356 The flat earth measurement says 35,000 Km, the globe measurement say 11,400 km. There's no possibility that both hypothesis adhere to reality. One of them is reasonable and matches with everything (distance, time, fuel, path chosen), and the other is an obvious idiocy.
SYD-SCL: Globe 6,130 nm. Gleason 13,861 nm, over twice as far. Gleason latitude arc: 28,718 nm, almost 5 times farther. The math is based on latitude, longitude: Globe: Haversine formula. Gleason: Polar coordinates converted to cartesian, Pythagoras, times 10,800 nm radius. Gleason lat. arc: difference of longitudes, divided by 360, times length of latitude circle.
@@Amradar123 Ask The Earth. As an aside, from the first time I heard the radio play, I thought that scene with Deep Thought was a huge plot hole. If Deep Thought was known, and the whole quest and story was included in The Book, then surely so would the true importance of the earth for this quest.
need to get the dude flying out of Sydney to record his flying time in both directions; flat earthers love to say there's crazy fast winds that help them scoot around the outside of the disc, but it's absurd that the wind goes both directions equally.
Add to that, that the sound barrier is never broken also on these flights which limits the speed they can be flying at. They would have to be traveling at like 3 times the speed of sound to cover the distance. There are some good compilation videos of air craft breaking the sound barrier and there is no way everyone on board would not notice this if it happened.
@@MATTINCALI IT CAN NOT... and not from a computer, but from a recorder, a Black box, I presume. It is where the data is stored. You know? Such a device is used if catastrophe happens.
@@MATTINCALIAll you really need to know is how long it took to make the flights. SYD to SCL should take much longer than LHR to SCL if the Earth is flat and about the same time if it’s a globe. No need to trust anything but a clock.
@@MATTINCALI "they are getting the data from a computer" Nope. Flight path measurements using my 9” George F. Cram Co. Classic Globe with a scale of 880 miles per 1 inch (standard 9” globe scale) rounded to the nearest 0.05” : • London, UK to Santiago, Chile measures 8.3". 8.3” x 880 = *7304 miles* . • Atlanta, GA to Santiago, Chile measures 5.4". 5.4” x 880 = *4752 miles* . • Los Angeles to Santiago, Chile measures 6.4". 6.4” x 880 = *5632 miles* . • Sydney, AU to Santiago, Chile measures 8". 8” x 880 = *7040 miles* .
It is a shame that none of the flat earth "contestants" come from either Australia or Africa. Because their flight predictions, if they made them, would be hilarious.
As someone who used to laugh at flat earth people for years: There’s a gentleman (who’s pro globe) who took this exact flight in a debate with flat earthers. He brought his own compass which didn’t match what the flight screen showed. Unfortunately his compass was congruent with the flat earth model. I believe the man’s name is Max Igan. Just a note.
Did this gentleman use a compass designed for the southern hemisphere? Because, as you surely aware, a compass made for the northern hemisphere may or may not work or be accurate in the south.
@@horisview Of course they do. When something happen to work on flattardia, they're quick to call out "See? Our model works!!! It's 100% irreferatedly proovan!!!", and when it doesn't, it's just "God almighty madeth that wayeth! We cannot knoweth how it workseth!!!". All bases covered.
(Polar) Jet Streams Wiki "Jet streams are fast flowing, narrow air currents in the Earth's atmosphere. The main jet streams are located near the altitude of the tropopause and are westerly winds, flowing west to east around the globe.The northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere each have a polar jet around their respective polar vortex at around 30,000 ft (5.7 mi; 9.1 km) above sea level and typically travelling at around 110 mph (180 km/h) although often considerably faster." "Jet streams may start, stop, split into two or more parts, combine into one stream, or flow in various directions including opposite to the direction of the remainder of the jet." NOAA "Jet streams are relatively narrow bands of strong wind in the upper levels of the atmosphere, typically occurring around 30,000 feet (9,100 meters) in elevation. Within jet streams, the winds blow from west to east, but the band often shifts north and south because jet streams follow the boundaries between hot and cold air. Since these hot and cold air boundaries are most pronounced in winter, jet streams are the strongest during both the northern and southern hemisphere winters." "For air moving toward the poles, the Earth's rotational velocity decreases beneath it, but the air itself retains its eastward momentum. This results in wind that moves faster than the Earth rotates. Therefore, as air moves towards the poles, it also moves from west to east relative to the surface. This is the Coriolis effect." Met Office "The jet stream is a core of strong winds around 5 to 7 miles above the Earth’s surface, blowing from west to east. The jet stream flows high overhead and causes changes in the wind and pressure at that level. This affects things nearer the surface, such as areas of high and low pressure, and therefore helps shape the weather we see. Sometimes, like in a fast-moving river, the jet stream’s movement is very straight and smooth. However, its movement can buckle and loop, like a river’s meander. This will slow things up, making areas of low pressure move less predictably." SKYbrary "Jet Stream is defined as a flat tubular current of air, quasi-horizontal, whose axis is along a line of maximum speed and which is characterised not only by great speeds but also by strong transverse (horizontal and vertical) gradients of speed (World Meteorological Organisation). The two major areas of Jet Stream activity in the upper troposphere are the Sub-Tropical Jet Streams near the 30 degree latitudes and the Polar Jet Streams in mid-latitudes. Both are predominantly west-east. There is also a jet stream of predominantly east-west flow over equatorial land masses, and a belt of strong winds in the stratosphere over the winter pole, the "polar night jet", at high latitudes and above FL600, or the 50 hPa level. The Polar Jet Stream is formed as a result of the temperature gradient between the cold polar air mass and the warmer sub-tropical air mass. Since the temperature difference is greatest in the winter, the speed of the Polar Jet Stream is at its highest also in the winter. Its altitude is generally at the 250-300 hPa level. A Jet Stream can be several thousand miles long, but only a few hundred miles wide and a few thousand feet in depth. The winds in a Jet Stream are not constant, nor is the direction always west-east. Jet Streams can intensify or die out and therefore the forecasting of Jet Stream location, direction and strength is not as precise as aviators would like when planning long range intercontinental flights."
This would be like watching a flerf train wreck in slow motion, but I doubt any flerfs even turn up. If by some chance there is a flerf presence, they sure as heck won't have brought a train.
Excellent challenge Will, Asking for the math will certainly seperate the men from the boys. My prediction is that NO flat Earther will produce an entry with supporting math for a flat Earth.
The stupidest part is there's no reason for any of them not to. The flight records will be the same as they always are. Doing their own calculations isn't going affect that in any way. All it would do is prove they are capable actually doing their own research.
💯. The moment he stated "must show your math" my immediate thought was "well that rules out EVERY Flerf on the planet. These morons think of "education" as "indoctrination", and by extension math as blasphemous witchcraft. Break out the popcorn...😂
I think this challenge is most unfair to the FE community because you want them to make calculations. You know they are allergic to calculations. It is way to complicated for them, and in fact discriminates against people who can't fathom scale, distance or dimensions. You should instead have a prize for the 1st one to not get their underpants on back to front, as that would be a true achievement. They would have to provide evidence that their mothers did not assist to have a legit entry though.
I don't know, dude. I think you put the bar a little too high. It's probably more realistic to have a prize for the first one to put pants on before going out the backyard to play with their favourite dogshit.
are they going to strap a tape measure to the planes to get an accurate data/distances? no they will be getting it from a computer program that can tell them they took an elephant ride there.
@@MATTINCALI Do you ever use the GPS (satellite based)? It shows your location and elevation with an accuracy of 30 cm. It is used is many aircrafts during the landing. Imagine if you could not trust the GPS (that tells accurately what was the length of your flight) during the landing. No passenger would take that flight, no pilot would accept to fly with that plane.
I'm going to make a prediction before reading the comments. There will be more complaints from flerfs about the competition than there are attempts to calculate the flight data.
If they can use a magical jetstream from Sydney, why don't they use this for the flight from London? Would be a short breeze, would take just a few hours. Airlines intentionally taking a longer trip, how dare they! Also on the way back, there should be a jetstream in the opposite direction too? Think flerfs!
Flat earth completely falls apart in the southern hemisphere. Flerfs simply will refuse to even talk about anything that happens there. Unfortunately their go to move to bring up the Antarctic treaty as a deflection to talking about Antarctica is getting completely destroyed with the final experiment.
I think it is not totally correct, that Gleasons map actually has a scale (a projection map cannot really have it, since it would need to be dynamic). It seems to just provide a tool to convert English miles to nautical miles.
If there are any flight sim buffs on here (or real airline pilots), they might want to look at Simbrief or something similar to find out which waypoints those flights regularly take. Most flights don't really fly direct to destination using an exact great circle route for all sorts of reasons so when people start to come up with answers as to the distance flown they might be slightly off what the real flight actually takes. It probably wont be by much but it pays to have the ammunition ready when the flerfs start complaining.
The pilots aren't in on it. The airplane even tricks them!! Flies super fast and alters course while displaying false navigation data to the pilot to simulate a fake globe. (No... I don't believe this! But I have a RL friend who does... /facepalm)
@@niklbauglir(suspicious glare) does that friend happen to have commented on this comment section... Making multiple posts about how you could somehow alter a blackbox to make it seem like you rode on animals?
Flat-Earthers can use the law of cosines to find the disance between two points. The distance from the north pole to each location is easy to approximate. Then measure the angle between them using a protractor. That gives you all the information you need to apply the law of cosines and get the distance between the two locations.
@cryptomooner4366 So according to you celestial navigation can't work due waves not being flat and Surveying can't work due to hills and valleys. Listen to yourself.😅 Globe confirmed 💯 🌎
I think that's how I would approach it. But getting the distance from the N pole to these locations, in, say, inches, then converting to miles or km is the problem. And that problem is lines of latitude get more squished as one goes further south, and lines of longitude just get spread out further and further. On a flat map of a flat earth, the scale should be consistent everywhere. Seems to me a flat earther would have to believe that. But what is that scale? Cannot use the 60 nm per deg lat because that isn't consistent.
On the Santiago-Sidney flight over the flat-earth sea, there is no plane that can make that flight without refueling, it is an impossible flight and even more so if we also take into account the almost 15 hours of a real and regular flight. En el vuelo Santiago-Sidney sobre el mar de la tierraplana, no existe avion que haga ese vuelo sin reabastecerse, es un vuelo imposible y mas si tambien tomamos en cuenta las casi 15 horas de un vuelo real y regular
Will, the phenomenon known as the Pac-Man manoeuvre will take place. The aeroplane will go over the edge somewhere near New Zealand and instantly come out close to South America. Cool, yeah?
@@The-Final-Experiment saw some of your debate, Flatzoid saying the 24hr Sun is a reflection off the dome lol, this is the thing...they will say LITERALLY Anything to keep their flat earth alive, it doesn't matter how absurd it is.
Flat earth flight Santiago Sydney will be the same time as flight on the globe Earth. It heads itself south from Sydney and joins a special superfast jet stream which will zap it round to Santiago. NASA will use CGI and holograms to ensure the plane flight information on board shows a globe route as part of its ongoing cover-up. NASA will send the pilot $100 for each flight to ensure he cooperate in the coverup honest…
If you tried to demonstrate how stupid flerf’s ideas are you failed. Things, flerfs actually do say are more stupid than anything you could come up with.
At one time Jeranism claimed the aircraft used on that route were supersonic with the instruments giving deliberately false readings, so the pilots would not notice.
I am not able to perform the maths you used, but your end result for the distance Sydney-Santiago is way too short, it should be 11,380 km instead of 9,333 km.
@@awatt Of course the Gleason map is a map. It’s the favourite map of most flattards. And of course it’s distorted because it’s a 2D projection of the globe. And you can use it to explain the time zones - like any map.
Hey DIP SHIT! A "Model" doesn't mean a physical 'scale model', though that CAN help. A MODEL is a statement or list of statements and/or mathematical formulas that DESCRIBE actuality and can PREDICT some future data or state. And NO! You flatties DO NOT HAVE anything like this! The GLOBE MODEL PREDICTED the date, line of totality, and the duration of totality of the solar eclipse across much of the US in April 2024. NO GLOBE was USED for this! An UNDERSTANDING and MATH predicted this... and then it was PLOTTED on a globe.!!!! Thousands of people travelled and spent HARD CASH to see this. August 2, 2027 will be ANOTHER total solar eclipse that will pass from NW to SE Egypt. Will Duffy has been invited to go there to see this. So MANY years ago it was known that this eclipse would happen on this date and in this place and for HOW LONG. NO FLAT EARTH can calculate such!!! WHY? Because the earth IS NOT FLAT!!! Unlike your HEAD! Go to: skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-travel/luxor-2027 to see the path of totality, duration of it AND the date that it is going to happen. GO AHEAD! SHOW an exact prediction of this from a FLAT EARTH perspective. YOU CAN'T!!! WHY would someone plan such a trip 3 years in advance if the prediction was WRONG??? HUH??? What a complete and utter imbecile you are.
Hey DYPE SHYTE! A "Model" doesn't mean a physical 'scale model', though that CAN help. A MODEL is a statement or list of statements and/or mathematical formulas that DESCRIBE actuality and can PREDICT some future data or state. And NO! You flatties DO NOT HAVE anything like this! The GLOBE MODEL PREDICTED the date, line of totality, and the duration of totality of the solar eclipse across much of the US in April 2024. NO GLOBE was USED for this! An UNDERSTANDING and MATH predicted this... and then it was PLOTTED on a globe.!!!! Thousands of people travelled and spent HARD CASH to see this. August 2, 2027 will be ANOTHER total solar eclipse that will pass from NW to SE Egypt. Will Duffy has been invited to go there to see this. So MANY years ago it was known that this eclipse would happen on this date and in this place and for HOW LONG. NO FLAT EARTH can calculate such!!! WHY? Because the earth IS NOT FLAT!!! Unlike your HEAD! Go to: skyandtelescope dot org slash astronomy-travel slash Luxor-2027 to see the path of totality, duration of it AND the date that it is going to happen. GO AHEAD! SHOW an exact prediction of this from a FLAT EARTH perspective. YOU CAN'T!!! WHY would someone plan such a trip 3 years in advance if the prediction was WRONG??? HUH??? What a complete and utter imbecile you are.
it's just meaningless anyways, the flight data will say whatever it's programed to say. the people flying should be keeping track of the direction they are flying as well and for how long, to do their best to verify the numbers they are given.
@@andrewjohnston6631 Then they should have plenty of visuals on it and get lots of pictures, eh? Flerfs remind us all that not everyone should be allowed to reproduce.
@@JimJimmington-e8i Prof Phil Bell says that he has actually seen the ice of Antarctica from the right side of the plane (probably you already know it).
jeran, witsit, mckeegan, mctoon and critical think were all radio silent from jun 12. to jun 18. and also from jun 29. to july 3. this year.. they filmed the 24 hour sun in the arctic this year during the northern summer solstice for TFE.. busted! 😉
I am in Dunedin, New Zealand and I have witnessed the Santiago-Sydney flight overhead, with my own eyes. I assume they fly over Dunedin for safety as we have one of the southernmost airports in NZ, as a safety option.
There is no actual flerf...There are grifters, victims, and very mentally ill people... But no actual human with a functional brain can show any proof for a flat earth. So there is no flatearth, so there is no flerfs, as we sadly all live on the same world, that isn't a disc floating through space with a tiny sun.
Will a prediction is a hypothesis and involves an independent and dependent variable. Using maps and globes with keys to calculate distances aren't predictions. It's just math. The latitude and longitude coordinates for all the calculations are derived from flat earth measurements.
"a prediction is a hypothesis and involves an independent and dependent variable" Hypothesis: globe maps are accurate and the plane won't run out of fuel and crash into the ocean. Independent variable: the distance the plane travels Dependent variable: the location of the plane
@code_monkey_steve The hypothesis includes the independent variable and dependent variable. 😆 🤣 😂. The independent variable is the presumed cause of an effect observed in nature. The dependent variable is the effect observed in nature. Based on what you wrote, your hypothesis is the distance the plane travels (IV) causes the location of the plane. Brilliant. I think we all knew that you need to travel a distance to get to a location. 😆 🤣 😂
"The hypothesis includes the independent variable and dependent variable." So you want us to do science but without stating a hypothesis or using any variables. And the experiment is invalid but also redundant because it's obviously true. Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
Globe earth predicts the flight distance along the great circle path. Assuming that the diameter is 40 000km, we can see how much fraction of the full circle it will fly and then multiply that fraction by 40 000km. I will soon edit the comment to include the actual math here
Who's on the Sydney flight? If it's a flerf, they're gonna have some splaining to do just getting off the ground, I'd love to see videos of them when the plan goes the wrong way.
And accounting for the plane never dipping its nose but still landing in Santiago. Or the passengers seeing dawn before the ocean or land below them gets any sunlight. FE aviation theory - busted.
From my perspective TFE is, above everything else, a case study in psychology. Yes, it has a basis in astronomy, and a simple enough observation as it's base, but that is not all it is. The ways that the flat earth on YT "community" has visibly fractured following Will's proposition supports my assertion.
You can measure anything in your controlled model, all the while not recognizing that flight is not possible without a globe Earth. Ask the pilots on the planes you're traveling on.
Yeah about that, someone (Max Igan) in a debate with flat earthers took this exact flight and brought his own compass. Unfortunately his compass didn’t match what the flight screen showed and was congruent with flat earth. I used to laugh at them. The more I look into it the creepier it gets.
@@courdferguson7225of course no one (astronomers, physists, pilots wtc.) have any clue what they are doing all day.. only random online fe conmen and trolls are the wise ones.. sure👍🏻
@@courdferguson7225 I gather he took a magnetic compass, placed it in a metal tube filled with electronic devices (with all the random electromagnetic fields they generate), and was surprised when the compass was inaccurate?
I would be happy enough if they just got a piece of string and cut them to length for each flight to the map. Then if the relative distances were representative of the relative flight times it would be meaningful. Math is a bit too hard for people like me.
And not math was done in the start. Just more consipracy theories hahalove the one where they found some dates when noone uploaded the videos but did not bother to even try to do the math xD. Math hard, making up theories easy.
imagine the moment people like witless-dont-get-it flashing back on the moment of how much crap he has spew out from his mouth when he really see the 24 hours sun on his own eye :) !!!! LMFAO
@@Bobswife-v3n The AIRCAFT transmits a signal that can be detected by satellites. This is why plane location is available, even if there is no other plane in range or any tower to receive the signal. The device is called the transponder :)
Ahh, but you see, all airlines everywhere ever made are in on it as well. They dont tell you that planes can survive hurricane level winds ro push them to make those distances (forget about flights the other way)
I haven’t looked at the flight paths, so I can’t say how long the flights will be. But I can say - it’s going to feel like an eternity for someone sitting next to witsit.
He could make ANYONE admit to a crime!
cant wait to get zero submissions from the flat side for this!
As there were talk of airplanes and flight times, I read that as zero _emission._
I realised I read it wrong, but it is still correct. Hot air doesnt count as emission.
As anyone can submit, I think there will be submissions. (Even if it is a globe earther, doing flat earth math just for fun. 👀)
And then, the closest one will still be wrong by A LOT. But still be considered the winner.
Either way, this will be fun to watch. :P
@@HOOOLD_ON
Sydney to Santiago, just run directional gyros and compass on the flight and make sure there are land mass photos out the window where possible. Job done!!! Now go and have a cold drink to see if you can EXTINGUISH-YOUR-HOT-AIR, while you watch satellite TV from a satellite connected to a HOT-AIR-BALLOON !!!!!
😂😭😂🤣
@@HOOOLD_ON It's fascinating how, since Jeran buried his ISS footage, flerfs have been refusing to check for themselves that satellites exist in orbits around Earth...
@@nofanfare7426 The path is entirely on the ocean, it passes south of New Zealand heading south east, reaches 61.5° south and then goes north east until it reaches Santiago.
Prof Phil Bell says that you can see from the right side of the plane the ice of Antarctica in the middle section.
This is why Flerfs don't have a map when you challenge them but do have a map at all other times. It's the incredible disappearing reappearing map!
@@TheCircleoftheEarthThat is in no way a map. Thats a perspex dome. Have you used that to navigate anywhere? 😂
@@TheCircleoftheEarth where is the map in that video? Can you give me a time stamp? I didn't see a nap
Schrödinger’s map.
@@just9911 Ding! Words from mouth.
There is a GUARANTEED flerf winner. They just need to place an entry.
Zero entries would be the most humiliating thing for them.
We already have some heavy copium users in the bowels of the comments, but strangely, no attempts at the challenge.
@@ReValveiT_01 Ivan is my favorite.
I'd love to hear the pilots if they knew who they were transporting, where to and what for.
That's it. I'm defecting for the duration of the challenge.
They love being humiliated though 😂
Flat earthers be like: "Well, we never said it was flat, but it's definitely not a globe, floating through space. The heliocentric model is just wrong".... yada yada yada... 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🎉
I can play either side.
I say it's flat.
@@MATTINCALI Well, can you rise to the challenge set above? If you're on the fence about it, maybe TFE will help you sort that out.
@@MATTINCALI sure so nake some predictions then 🤣
@@drmantistoboggan2870 you can't expect these fantasists to make predictions. They just want to feel special not provide evidence.
@@drmantistoboggan2870 well playing a flatter, I say the computer on the plane will spit out globe numbers, regardless of anything. No reason for it not to.
My flat earth magic 8 ball says "You can't measure the distance of a flight unless you have a reeeeeeely long tape measure."
And you can't measure the curve of the earth on a flight without a spirit level 😆
@bigJovialJon People may think you're joking but I've actually heard a couple of flerfers say that very thing!
It’s like Christmas comes twice this December 😁
I figure Wolfie will win if he’s not too busy flying to participate.
I can measure all of these distances on my SCALED desk globe, and they all match reality. I simply multiply my measurement by the scale, which is 880 miles per INCH. Asking flerfs to do this on a flat world map/model makes them do one of two things : 1) Kick, scream and obfuscate, or 2) Run.
Just another trivially easy way to destroy Flatpopia.
Flight path measurements using my 9” George F. Cram Co. Classic Globe with a scale of 880 miles per 1 inch (standard 9” globe scale) rounded to the nearest 0.05” :
London, UK to Santiago, Chile measures 8.3". 8.3” x 880 = *7304 miles* .
Atlanta, GA to Santiago, Chile measures 5.4". 5.4” x 880 = *4752 miles* .
Los Angeles to Santiago, Chile measures 6.4". 6.4” x 880 = *5632 miles* .
Sydney, AU to Santiago, Chile measures 8". 8” x 880 = *7040 miles* .
@@ReValveiT_01 should also add in Sydney to LA distance. Always love pointing that one out to flat earthers when comparing sydney to santiago since the distances make no sense at all for flat earth.
@@Requiem4aDr3Am I can verify that this flight is direct too... just in case they make some strange claims. I have taken that flight many times... often enough that I call LA airport "laxative".
@@John.0z "Sweet dreams my LAX"?
@@Requiem4aDr3Am "should also add in Sydney to LA distance"
• Los Angeles to Sydney, AU measures 8.6”. 8.6 x 880 = *7568 miles* .
Nice one, Will!
A very intelligent challenge and an important part of TFE.
Haha! I hadn't even thought of one of your party taking the mythical Sydney to Santiago flight! 😄 Love it!
“Show your math”
🤣 Flerfs instantly disqualified
Math isn't geometric measurements, Dummy. Why are you using math to measure the ground? 🤦🏽🤪🤪
@@cryptomooner4366 Perhaps I misinterpreted the video. Was Will asking us to physically measure the distances from Sydney, LA, London and Miami(?) to Santiago? If that’s the case I think there’s going to be very few entries into the competition.
@@andrewjohnston6631 Not "physically", calculate the distance...
@@cryptomooner4366 Have you sent your flat earth flight distances already? No? Hurry up.
I doubt any flat earth person will do it. They will complain about the problem.
Correct, and... Correct. You must be clairvoyant...
This is genuinely brilliant and hilarious. I doff my proverbial cap to you, Will.
1st rule of flerfery;
Anything I can't see or understand beyond my front gate is inconceivable and can only be explained by god.
that isnt a rule brother friend im a flat earther because G Bush sr was pushed into nasa the day i watching a guy on the ISS doing water tricks they pushed bush sr in his wheel chair rights past the astronaut on a green screen in a warehouse and that and that sent me on a truth journey. was hard to break free from the spaceball traveling with 8 greek buddys chaseing the sun around our milkyway.
@@parody_mikeEverything you wrote was an incoherent, illiterate mess. Read it again, then go and seek professional help for your delusional state.
@@parody_mikeincoherent word salad with no punctuation. But thanks for your contribution anyway.
@@ScheiBwerfer it's hard to type when driving. Spell correct and all
@@parody_mike well perhaps you shouldn't drive and type on your phone at the same time then. For one, you wrote complete nonsense, for another, you could kill someone, dipshit.
I love this, Will. Try to get Jeran, Witsit, and Lisbeth to submit their math.
Don't ask Witsit to do math. Although he's got a natural aptitude for algebra, he's too humble to show off 😉
Don't forget, on the way back, the jet streams magically know, that the plane want's to go the other way and change direction. 🤪
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What happens when 2 airplanes are going in opposite directions at the same time? Does the jet-stream split in two, one part blows East and the other part blows West?
Imagine thinking you can debunk jetstreams 😂
Flerfs will use the globe to make their predictions, and then claim it was taken from their secret only available to them flat earth map.
he said he is getting the data from the planes computers, which can be programed to say anything. If the computer says they got there on a unicorn, 1 hop, 1 skip and 1 jump is all it took, would that make it true?
@MATTINCALI Sorry for your loss
@@shanephillips8735 What did I lose?
@@MATTINCALI I knew flerfs would say it was fake because *_EVERYONE_* including airline pilots is in on the globe conspiracy.
@@MATTINCALI You lose by default if you blame the tools.
No chance any flerf is entering the challenge
he said he is getting the data from the planes computers, which can be programed to say anything. If the computer says they got there on a unicorn, 1 hop, 1 skip and 1 jump is all it took, would that make it true?
@@MATTINCALI we can compare the predictions of the trips. Unless they employ a hugely different aircraft from Sydney (and we can verify that VERY EASILY), we can safely assume that the 4 aircrafts have similar efficiency and performance during the flight. So, if the travel times are, let's say, within 50% from each other, then the distances cannot be 300% from one another.
If the predictions of FE will be that the distance from Sydney to Chile is 3 times that from London to Chile, you'd have to explain how you can fly 3x faster with the same aircraft (with no sonic boom), with the same amount of fuel, on the same planet. And also why can't we travel at those absurd speeds all the time, but only in the southern hemisphere. And simply saying "jet stream" won't be sufficient
@@MATTINCALI If the computers are programmed with wrong data or false algo, the planes would perhaps find a unicorn but not reach their destination.
What makes it true is: time.
Perfect video for jimygod who comments here regularly, he has the "Flat Earth Flight Navigation Map" yes folks jimmy's got it, cmon jimmy predict those flight distances using that elusive map you are keeping secret !
I love the fact that one of the participants is actually flying from Sydney to Santiago, because us globetards have been using this exact route for years to debunk flatearthers!
And I've seen some absolutely hilarious responses from some flatearthers, they say stuff like _"those flights don't exist, and a stop over will be added in the northern hemisphere at the last minute, or else the flight will be cancelled!"_ and I've often heard them say the planes can fly super-fast to make up the distance, or that the people on the flights get brainwashed to think it was only a 13 hour flight, or that there are fake TV screens on the windows to make you think you are flying over water, etc..
Cracks me up you have to explain where New Zealand is.
Middle Earth? ;-)
It’s because there are Americans watching. I’m surprised he didn’t explain where North America and Europe were as well..
Crazy how they'll use Google earth to get the distances. "They" meaning flerfs
I was told there would be no math.
eyeball it
WHO say that to you? before the challange video WILL STATED paper and pencil will be used :)
Maybe a pappa flerf also told you the earth is flat?
@@hellomike Isn't that what Papa flerfs do?
Globers can't handle math!!
The hardest part for the FE side will be to come up with a model/map, that allows precise predictions compatible with reality in the short time this challenge runs.
If there was a flat earth map, all you would need was the scale and distances could be measured straight off it.
Again, you are hoping flat earthers to do something other than "nuh uh".
You are going to be disappointed again.
still waiting for flat earthers to try to explain how these planes flying the route you mentioned are able to exceed their maximum operating distance based on fuel by nearly three times. Because that's what it would take for any flat earth route between those two cities.
You think flat earthers are going to do any calculations involving geometry and math? 😂
The key point is that no, they are not, and there can be no greater shame than refusing to take up the gauntlet.
Any time I proposed a calculation about Sydney Santiago the answer was
"you are just making assumptions"
"the declaration of the airline company doesn't mean that the flight really takes that time"
"I am sure that the satellite/GPS tracking gets manipulated"
"jet streams that go in both directions depending on altitude (250 mph)"
Do your calculations involve latitude?
@@tbrown3356 Of course, what question is this?
@@psalux18963It's a flat earth measurement.
@@tbrown3356 The flat earth measurement says 35,000 Km, the globe measurement say 11,400 km.
There's no possibility that both hypothesis adhere to reality.
One of them is reasonable and matches with everything (distance, time, fuel, path chosen), and the other is an obvious idiocy.
@@tbrown3356 #Coward
I’m going out on a limb and say there will be no complaints from the globe side on this just the flat earth side.
SYD-SCL: Globe 6,130 nm. Gleason 13,861 nm, over twice as far. Gleason latitude arc: 28,718 nm, almost 5 times farther.
The math is based on latitude, longitude:
Globe: Haversine formula.
Gleason: Polar coordinates converted to cartesian, Pythagoras, times 10,800 nm radius.
Gleason lat. arc: difference of longitudes, divided by 360, times length of latitude circle.
I love how my country debunks flat earth with no rebutle. It boggles my mind though how we still have flerfs in NZ and Australia
Be quiet. You don't exist 😂
Tragically CHL destroyed the flerf side on his Testing Flattards 1 video.
I don't think flat earthers can count to two, so they might be at a disadvantage there
Would be the greatest if a camera were sent up on a balloon in Antarctica. That way, maybe we’d catch a glimpse of the ice wall and beyond.
The answer is 42.
I must admit, to get the answer, I had to use a supercomputer known as
Deep Thought.
But what is The Ultimate Question?
@@Amradar123 Ask The Earth.
As an aside, from the first time I heard the radio play, I thought that scene with Deep Thought was a huge plot hole. If Deep Thought was known, and the whole quest and story was included in The Book, then surely so would the true importance of the earth for this quest.
You cant successfully pull off project blue beam, until you minimize the growing flat earth movement. This stunt was planned for that purpose.
Zero FE predictions is my prediction 😂
need to get the dude flying out of Sydney to record his flying time in both directions; flat earthers love to say there's crazy fast winds that help them scoot around the outside of the disc, but it's absurd that the wind goes both directions equally.
Add to that, that the sound barrier is never broken also on these flights which limits the speed they can be flying at.
They would have to be traveling at like 3 times the speed of sound to cover the distance.
There are some good compilation videos of air craft breaking the sound barrier and there is no way everyone on board would not notice this if it happened.
Globe will get this right of course
they are getting the data from a computer which can tell them they rode a giraffe there; would that make it true?
@@MATTINCALI IT CAN NOT... and not from a computer, but from a recorder, a Black box, I presume. It is where the data is stored. You know? Such a device is used if catastrophe happens.
@@MATTINCALIAll you really need to know is how long it took to make the flights. SYD to SCL should take much longer than LHR to SCL if the Earth is flat and about the same time if it’s a globe. No need to trust anything but a clock.
@@MATTINCALI "they are getting the data from a computer"
Nope. Flight path measurements using my 9” George F. Cram Co. Classic Globe with a scale of 880 miles per 1 inch (standard 9” globe scale) rounded to the nearest 0.05” :
• London, UK to Santiago, Chile measures 8.3". 8.3” x 880 = *7304 miles* .
• Atlanta, GA to Santiago, Chile measures 5.4". 5.4” x 880 = *4752 miles* .
• Los Angeles to Santiago, Chile measures 6.4". 6.4” x 880 = *5632 miles* .
• Sydney, AU to Santiago, Chile measures 8". 8” x 880 = *7040 miles* .
@@ReValveiT_01 From the airplane's computers, it's all digital and can be programed to say anything/put out any numbers.
After TFE can you get some people to the Moon to confirm if the Apollo landings were real or not?
It is a shame that none of the flat earth "contestants" come from either Australia or Africa. Because their flight predictions, if they made them, would be hilarious.
As someone who used to laugh at flat earth people for years:
There’s a gentleman (who’s pro globe) who took this exact flight in a debate with flat earthers.
He brought his own compass which didn’t match what the flight screen showed.
Unfortunately his compass was congruent with the flat earth model.
I believe the man’s name is Max Igan.
Just a note.
Did this gentleman use a compass designed for the southern hemisphere? Because, as you surely aware, a compass made for the northern hemisphere may or may not work or be accurate in the south.
Unfortunately for FE they have no working model.🤷♂️
@@horisview Of course they do. When something happen to work on flattardia, they're quick to call out "See? Our model works!!! It's 100% irreferatedly proovan!!!", and when it doesn't, it's just "God almighty madeth that wayeth! We cannot knoweth how it workseth!!!". All bases covered.
@@janosszabo98 yes, they are all magicians who change reality just by saying words and showing vids.🪄✨
(Polar) Jet Streams
Wiki "Jet streams are fast flowing, narrow air currents in the Earth's atmosphere.
The main jet streams are located near the altitude of the tropopause and are westerly winds, flowing west to east around the globe.The northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere each have a polar jet around their respective polar vortex at around 30,000 ft (5.7 mi; 9.1 km) above sea level and typically travelling at around 110 mph (180 km/h) although often considerably faster."
"Jet streams may start, stop, split into two or more parts, combine into one stream, or flow in various directions including opposite to the direction of the remainder of the jet."
NOAA "Jet streams are relatively narrow bands of strong wind in the upper levels of the atmosphere, typically occurring around 30,000 feet (9,100 meters) in elevation.
Within jet streams, the winds blow from west to east, but the band often shifts north and south because jet streams follow the boundaries between hot and cold air.
Since these hot and cold air boundaries are most pronounced in winter, jet streams are the strongest during both the northern and southern hemisphere winters."
"For air moving toward the poles, the Earth's rotational velocity decreases beneath it, but the air itself retains its eastward momentum. This results in wind that moves faster than the Earth rotates. Therefore, as air moves towards the poles, it also moves from west to east relative to the surface. This is the Coriolis effect."
Met Office "The jet stream is a core of strong winds around 5 to 7 miles above the Earth’s surface, blowing from west to east.
The jet stream flows high overhead and causes changes in the wind and pressure at that level. This affects things nearer the surface, such as areas of high and low pressure, and therefore helps shape the weather we see. Sometimes, like in a fast-moving river, the jet stream’s movement is very straight and smooth. However, its movement can buckle and loop, like a river’s meander. This will slow things up, making areas of low pressure move less predictably."
SKYbrary "Jet Stream is defined as a flat tubular current of air, quasi-horizontal, whose axis is along a line of maximum speed and which is characterised not only by great speeds but also by strong transverse (horizontal and vertical) gradients of speed (World Meteorological Organisation).
The two major areas of Jet Stream activity in the upper troposphere are the Sub-Tropical Jet Streams near the 30 degree latitudes and the Polar Jet Streams in mid-latitudes. Both are predominantly west-east. There is also a jet stream of predominantly east-west flow over equatorial land masses, and a belt of strong winds in the stratosphere over the winter pole, the "polar night jet", at high latitudes and above FL600, or the 50 hPa level.
The Polar Jet Stream is formed as a result of the temperature gradient between the cold polar air mass and the warmer sub-tropical air mass. Since the temperature difference is greatest in the winter, the speed of the Polar Jet Stream is at its highest also in the winter. Its altitude is generally at the 250-300 hPa level.
A Jet Stream can be several thousand miles long, but only a few hundred miles wide and a few thousand feet in depth. The winds in a Jet Stream are not constant, nor is the direction always west-east. Jet Streams can intensify or die out and therefore the forecasting of Jet Stream location, direction and strength is not as precise as aviators would like when planning long range intercontinental flights."
This would be like watching a flerf train wreck in slow motion, but I doubt any flerfs even turn up. If by some chance there is a flerf presence, they sure as heck won't have brought a train.
Excellent challenge Will, Asking for the math will certainly seperate the men from the boys.
My prediction is that NO flat Earther will produce an entry with supporting math for a flat Earth.
The stupidest part is there's no reason for any of them not to. The flight records will be the same as they always are. Doing their own calculations isn't going affect that in any way. All it would do is prove they are capable actually doing their own research.
💯. The moment he stated "must show your math" my immediate thought was "well that rules out EVERY Flerf on the planet. These morons think of "education" as "indoctrination", and by extension math as blasphemous witchcraft.
Break out the popcorn...😂
I think this challenge is most unfair to the FE community because you want them to make calculations.
You know they are allergic to calculations.
It is way to complicated for them, and in fact discriminates against people who can't fathom scale, distance or dimensions.
You should instead have a prize for the 1st one to not get their underpants on back to front, as that would be a true achievement.
They would have to provide evidence that their mothers did not assist to have a legit entry though.
I don't know, dude. I think you put the bar a little too high. It's probably more realistic to have a prize for the first one to put pants on before going out the backyard to play with their favourite dogshit.
NO flat earthers will go with you, but you already know it...
flat earthers have an explanation for the flight times, is "Jetstreams" no math, no physics, just, "the jetstream makes this work on the flat earth"
are they going to strap a tape measure to the planes to get an accurate data/distances? no they will be getting it from a computer program that can tell them they took an elephant ride there.
But it doesn't work both ways does it?
@@MATTINCALI
Just measure the distance on your flat earth map. You haven't got one? We've had a glibe map for thousands of years.
Globe confirmed 💯 🌎
Oh, right. And I think they claim the winds go like 2000 miles an hour one way and 3000 mph the other to account for the time.
@@MATTINCALI Do you ever use the GPS (satellite based)?
It shows your location and elevation with an accuracy of 30 cm.
It is used is many aircrafts during the landing.
Imagine if you could not trust the GPS (that tells accurately what was the length of your flight) during the landing.
No passenger would take that flight, no pilot would accept to fly with that plane.
I'm going to make a prediction before reading the comments. There will be more complaints from flerfs about the competition than there are attempts to calculate the flight data.
TAM8058 Sao Paolo to Johannesburg happening right now.. takes about 8 hours.
If they can use a magical jetstream from Sydney, why don't they use this for the flight from London? Would be a short breeze, would take just a few hours. Airlines intentionally taking a longer trip, how dare they! Also on the way back, there should be a jetstream in the opposite direction too? Think flerfs!
And where do they think the jet stream is coming from at all?
@@horisview It's a magical jetstream, it comes from and goes to where ever they need it to be.
@@horisview God made it 😂
Flat earth completely falls apart in the southern hemisphere. Flerfs simply will refuse to even talk about anything that happens there. Unfortunately their go to move to bring up the Antarctic treaty as a deflection to talking about Antarctica is getting completely destroyed with the final experiment.
I think it is not totally correct, that Gleasons map actually has a scale (a projection map cannot really have it, since it would need to be dynamic). It seems to just provide a tool to convert English miles to nautical miles.
The Gleason isn't a map as such. It's a teaching aid used to explain timezones. More accurately referred yo as a clock
Why don’t some of us normal people (globers) submit guesses instead of calculations to give flerts a little bit of an edge?
If there are any flight sim buffs on here (or real airline pilots), they might want to look at Simbrief or something similar to find out which waypoints those flights regularly take. Most flights don't really fly direct to destination using an exact great circle route for all sorts of reasons so when people start to come up with answers as to the distance flown they might be slightly off what the real flight actually takes. It probably wont be by much but it pays to have the ammunition ready when the flerfs start complaining.
Can't believe you've now got NASA pilots flying the planes to get participants there now.
The pilots aren't in on it. The airplane even tricks them!! Flies super fast and alters course while displaying false navigation data to the pilot to simulate a fake globe. (No... I don't believe this! But I have a RL friend who does... /facepalm)
I feel sorry for the other 70 odd other space agencies that are constantly left out of the conversation.
@@niklbauglir(suspicious glare) does that friend happen to have commented on this comment section... Making multiple posts about how you could somehow alter a blackbox to make it seem like you rode on animals?
Flat-Earthers can use the law of cosines to find the disance between two points. The distance from the north pole to each location is easy to approximate. Then measure the angle between them using a protractor. That gives you all the information you need to apply the law of cosines and get the distance between the two locations.
You need a flat earth to measure angles 🤪🤪🤦🏽 a protractor is a tool used to measure angles from a flat baseline ,FML 🤦🏽
@cryptomooner4366
So according to you celestial navigation can't work due waves not being flat and Surveying can't work due to hills and valleys. Listen to yourself.😅
Globe confirmed 💯 🌎
@@cryptomooner4366 Don't make us laugh!! No flat earther is able to use a protractor.
I think that's how I would approach it. But getting the distance from the N pole to these locations, in, say, inches, then converting to miles or km is the problem. And that problem is lines of latitude get more squished as one goes further south, and lines of longitude just get spread out further and further.
On a flat map of a flat earth, the scale should be consistent everywhere. Seems to me a flat earther would have to believe that. But what is that scale? Cannot use the 60 nm per deg lat because that isn't consistent.
cosines are a NASA plot to shill the answer innit 🥴🤡
For starters Australia is not 3x bigger than the US east to west, nor is the same size of Russia. So that flerf map is horribly wrong.
On the Santiago-Sidney flight over the flat-earth sea, there is no plane that can make that flight without refueling, it is an impossible flight and even more so if we also take into account the almost 15 hours of a real and regular flight.
En el vuelo Santiago-Sidney sobre el mar de la tierraplana, no existe avion que haga ese vuelo sin reabastecerse, es un vuelo imposible y mas si tambien tomamos en cuenta las casi 15 horas de un vuelo real y regular
Will, the phenomenon known as the Pac-Man manoeuvre will take place. The aeroplane will go over the edge somewhere near New Zealand and instantly come out close to South America. Cool, yeah?
@@kevcroft2815 haha.
@@The-Final-Experiment saw some of your debate, Flatzoid saying the 24hr Sun is a reflection off the dome lol, this is the thing...they will say LITERALLY Anything to keep their flat earth alive, it doesn't matter how absurd it is.
Ha! Take that flerfers😂
Flat earth flight Santiago Sydney will be the same time as flight on the globe Earth. It heads itself south from Sydney and joins a special superfast jet stream which will zap it round to Santiago. NASA will use CGI and holograms to ensure the plane flight information on board shows a globe route as part of its ongoing cover-up. NASA will send the pilot $100 for each flight to ensure he cooperate in the coverup honest…
Of course, that’s it!👍🏻
If you tried to demonstrate how stupid flerf’s ideas are you failed.
Things, flerfs actually do say are more stupid than anything you could come up with.
At one time Jeranism claimed the aircraft used on that route were supersonic with the instruments giving deliberately false readings, so the pilots would not notice.
It's going to be an anticlimax waiting for Anything from the Flerf side. But, it is kinda fun watching them squirm tbh.
I only chose two as this shows the problem clearly. I could solve for flat earth also if someone would explain to me the method to convert "radians to straightians".
(Not a submission)
Atlanta: Latitude = 33.7490° N, Longitude = -84.3880° W
Santiago: Latitude = -33.4489° S, Longitude = -70.6693° W
Conversion
phi1 = 33.7490 * (π / 180) = 0.58903 radians
lambda1 = -84.3880 * (π / 180) = -1.47328 radians
phi2 = -33.4489 * (π / 180) = -0.58374 radians
lambda2 = -70.6693 * (π / 180) = -1.23368 radians
Solve differences
Delta_phi = phi2 - phi1 = -0.58374 - 0.58903 = -1.17277 radians
Delta_lambda = lambda2 - lambda1 = -1.23368 - (-1.47328) = 0.23960 radians
Apply the Haversine formula
a = sin^2(Delta_phi / 2) + cos(phi1) * cos(phi2) * sin^2(Delta_lambda / 2)
a ≈ 0.33542
c = 2 * atan2(sqrt(a), sqrt(1 - a))
c ≈ 1.23134
d = R * c
Earth's radius R = 6,371 km or 3,959 miles
Distance calculations
d = 6,371 * 1.23134 ≈ 7,844 km
d = 3,959 * 1.23134 ≈ 4,873 miles
Sydney: Latitude = -33.8688° S, Longitude = 151.2093° E
Santiago: Latitude = -33.4489° S, Longitude = -70.6693° W
Conversion
phi1 = -33.8688 * (π / 180) = -0.59112 radians
lambda1 = 151.2093 * (π / 180) = 2.63910 radians
phi2 = -33.4489 * (π / 180) = -0.58374 radians
lambda2 = -70.6693 * (π / 180) = -1.23368 radians
solve distances
Delta_phi = phi2 - phi1 = -0.58374 - (-0.59112) = 0.00738 radians
Delta_lambda = lambda2 - lambda1 = -1.23368 - 2.63910 = -3.87278 radians
Apply the Haversine formula
a = sin^2(Delta_phi / 2) + cos(phi1) * cos(phi2) * sin^2(Delta_lambda / 2)
a ≈ 0.44759
c = 2 * atan2(sqrt(a), sqrt(1 - a))
c ≈ 1.46578
d = R * c
Earth's radius R = 6,371 km or 3,959 miles
Distance calculations
d = 6,371 * 1.46578 ≈ 9,333 km
d = 3,959 * 1.46578 ≈ 5,764 miles
I am not able to perform the maths you used, but your end result for the distance Sydney-Santiago is way too short, it should be 11,380 km instead of 9,333 km.
@@psalux18963 Will double check my work perhaps I made a mistake somewhere.
@@psalux18963 I think I know where I messed up, application of the Haversine formula. Give me a second for new calculations.
@@psalux18963 I made several mistakes, conversion to radians and improper application of the Haversine formula throughout the calculation.
Sydney: Latitude = -33.8688° S, Longitude = 151.2093° E
Santiago: Latitude = -33.4489° S, Longitude = -70.6693° W
Convert
phi1 = -33.8688 * (π / 180) = -0.59112 radians
lambda1 = 151.2093 * (π / 180) = 2.63910 radians
phi2 = -33.4489 * (π / 180) = -0.58374 radians
lambda2 = -70.6693 * (π / 180) = -1.23368 radians
Solve differences
Delta_phi = phi2 - phi1 = -0.58374 - (-0.59112) = 0.00738 radians
Delta_lambda = lambda2 - lambda1 = -1.23368 - 2.63910 = -3.87278 radians
Apply the Haversine formula
a = sin^2(Delta_phi / 2) + cos(phi1) * cos(phi2) * sin^2(Delta_lambda / 2)
a ≈ 0.59589
c = 2 * atan2(sqrt(a), sqrt(1 - a))
c ≈ 1.76336
Distance Calculation
Earth's radius R = 6,371 km
d = R * c
d = 6,371 * 1.76336 ≈ 11,231 km
@@psalux18963 looks like I am still a little off, well darn it. Close enough lol. I'm not the one that will crash into the ocean.
i'm not a flat earther but i almost wanna do this just to win. gleason's map is cake to use.
Yeah, a Gleason’s map is easy to use, but it does not represent reality. It’s distorted and not accurate.
@@bobmusil1458
The Gleason isn't a map. It's a teaching aid that demonstrates time zones.
@@awatt Of course the Gleason map is a map. It’s the favourite map of most flattards.
And of course it’s distorted because it’s a 2D projection of the globe.
And you can use it to explain the time zones - like any map.
That's a strawman !! That's not our model !! wE dOn'T hAvE a MoDeL !!!!!!
Accurate.
Hey DIP SHIT! A "Model" doesn't mean a physical 'scale model', though that CAN help.
A MODEL is a statement or list of statements and/or mathematical formulas that DESCRIBE actuality and can PREDICT some future data or state.
And NO! You flatties DO NOT HAVE anything like this!
The GLOBE MODEL PREDICTED the date, line of totality, and the duration of totality of the solar eclipse across much of the US in April 2024. NO GLOBE was USED for this! An UNDERSTANDING and MATH predicted this... and then it was PLOTTED on a globe.!!!! Thousands of people travelled and spent HARD CASH to see this.
August 2, 2027 will be ANOTHER total solar eclipse that will pass from NW to SE Egypt. Will Duffy has been invited to go there to see this.
So MANY years ago it was known that this eclipse would happen on this date and in this place and for HOW LONG.
NO FLAT EARTH can calculate such!!! WHY? Because the earth IS NOT FLAT!!! Unlike your HEAD!
Go to: skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-travel/luxor-2027 to see the path of totality, duration of it AND the date that it is going to happen.
GO AHEAD! SHOW an exact prediction of this from a FLAT EARTH perspective. YOU CAN'T!!!
WHY would someone plan such a trip 3 years in advance if the prediction was WRONG??? HUH???
What a complete and utter imbecile you are.
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Hey DYPE SHYTE! A "Model" doesn't mean a physical 'scale model', though that CAN help.
A MODEL is a statement or list of statements and/or mathematical formulas that DESCRIBE actuality and can PREDICT some future data or state.
And NO! You flatties DO NOT HAVE anything like this!
The GLOBE MODEL PREDICTED the date, line of totality, and the duration of totality of the solar eclipse across much of the US in April 2024. NO GLOBE was USED for this! An UNDERSTANDING and MATH predicted this... and then it was PLOTTED on a globe.!!!! Thousands of people travelled and spent HARD CASH to see this.
August 2, 2027 will be ANOTHER total solar eclipse that will pass from NW to SE Egypt. Will Duffy has been invited to go there to see this.
So MANY years ago it was known that this eclipse would happen on this date and in this place and for HOW LONG.
NO FLAT EARTH can calculate such!!! WHY? Because the earth IS NOT FLAT!!! Unlike your HEAD!
Go to: skyandtelescope dot org slash astronomy-travel slash Luxor-2027 to see the path of totality, duration of it AND the date that it is going to happen.
GO AHEAD! SHOW an exact prediction of this from a FLAT EARTH perspective. YOU CAN'T!!!
WHY would someone plan such a trip 3 years in advance if the prediction was WRONG??? HUH???
What a complete and utter imbecile you are.
it's just meaningless anyways, the flight data will say whatever it's programed to say. the people flying should be keeping track of the direction they are flying as well and for how long, to do their best to verify the numbers they are given.
The Sydney to Santiago and back flights alone disprove flat earth, but I digress.
Sydney flight won't happen.. he is crashing into the dome..
While looking at the ice wall out of the right side windows of the airplane during that amazingly absurd flight path. 🤣
Flatzoid said the dome is at 80°S
@@andrewjohnston6631 Then they should have plenty of visuals on it and get lots of pictures, eh?
Flerfs remind us all that not everyone should be allowed to reproduce.
@@JimJimmington-e8i Prof Phil Bell says that he has actually seen the ice of Antarctica from the right side of the plane (probably you already know it).
@@psalux18963 I had asked the Professor to share his psychedelics with me but I never received an answer.
PS: 60 NAUTICAL miles per degree of longitude at the equator, and 60 NAUTICAL miles per degree of latitude
Who of these guys is taking the nonstop Sydney to Santiago flight?
Flight number anyone?
Critical Think.
He will be doing some of his own experiments on the way with a set of weights and calibrated precision scales.
@steve26553 do you know the flight number?
QF27
I doubt at the end of this we get an end to the claim that this flight doesn’t exist.
bring a balloon, sent it up so we can be sure its the sun what we see, or in case its cloudy.
Apps show every celestial object independent of weather and day time.
jeran, witsit, mckeegan, mctoon and critical think were all radio silent from jun 12. to jun 18. and also from jun 29. to july 3. this year..
they filmed the 24 hour sun in the arctic this year during the northern summer solstice for TFE.. busted! 😉
Jun?
Please tell me you're being sarcastic
I did a livestream June 13:
Video: "Nutcase: DIRTh speaks at a Conference"
Also, the sun moves the opposite direction in the north.
@@MCTooncan't wait to see you guys there
Buy a newspaper in Santiago to show these dumb flerfs lol
@@MCToon
So you walked backwards like in that Crazy Al Yankovic video. 😎
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But wait! I thought there were no southern hemisphere flights.
Will, is it true that you guys already filmed the TFE charade in the arctic this year?
WOW. Just WOW. The copium is off the charts with this one.
And they’re going to play all the footage in reverse?
@@zvonimircvetkovic4021 🤫
@@The-Final-Experiment To late, I already told everyone 😊
Your copium dealer must be creaming it in.
I am in Dunedin, New Zealand and I have witnessed the Santiago-Sydney flight overhead, with my own eyes. I assume they fly over Dunedin for safety as we have one of the southernmost airports in NZ, as a safety option.
These are getting more lame as time goes on.
There will be more flat earthers after the "final" "experiment"
That is the worst cope ever.
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So you bet there will be no 24 hour sun there?
The COPIUM manufacturers are making a mint from flerfs.
There is no actual flerf...There are grifters, victims, and very mentally ill people... But no actual human with a functional brain can show any proof for a flat earth. So there is no flatearth, so there is no flerfs, as we sadly all live on the same world, that isn't a disc floating through space with a tiny sun.
@rodrigosampaio1560 I bet the whole thing is bullshit.
Jeranism video clip, Globe Anomaly flight from Santiago to Sydney shows SW direction on a compass but the plane radar showed NW.
Will a prediction is a hypothesis and involves an independent and dependent variable. Using maps and globes with keys to calculate distances aren't predictions. It's just math. The latitude and longitude coordinates for all the calculations are derived from flat earth measurements.
Still proves the globe
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"a prediction is a hypothesis and involves an independent and dependent variable"
Hypothesis: globe maps are accurate and the plane won't run out of fuel and crash into the ocean.
Independent variable: the distance the plane travels
Dependent variable: the location of the plane
@code_monkey_steve The hypothesis includes the independent variable and dependent variable. 😆 🤣 😂. The independent variable is the presumed cause of an effect observed in nature. The dependent variable is the effect observed in nature. Based on what you wrote, your hypothesis is the distance the plane travels (IV) causes the location of the plane. Brilliant. I think we all knew that you need to travel a distance to get to a location. 😆 🤣 😂
Get a job, Nathan.
"The hypothesis includes the independent variable and dependent variable."
So you want us to do science but without stating a hypothesis or using any variables. And the experiment is invalid but also redundant because it's obviously true.
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
Globe earth predicts the flight distance along the great circle path. Assuming that the diameter is 40 000km, we can see how much fraction of the full circle it will fly and then multiply that fraction by 40 000km.
I will soon edit the comment to include the actual math here
Will there be any discrepancy if the pilot say that's its a bad weather that they will go around? That happens sometimes at long flights.
That adds a little randomness to the result.
Brilliant idea Will!
maybe provide/display flight itinerary from each GLB/FE participants from their prospective departure locale & review any layover/connecting flights 🤔
Who's on the Sydney flight? If it's a flerf, they're gonna have some splaining to do just getting off the ground, I'd love to see videos of them when the plan goes the wrong way.
No, it's Critical Think from Downunder
And accounting for the plane never dipping its nose but still landing in Santiago. Or the passengers seeing dawn before the ocean or land below them gets any sunlight. FE aviation theory - busted.
what will the flight data consist of, and how is the data created?
Flerfs will say Derrrrr I thought this was an experiment about the 24hr sun in antarctica not an experiment in math
From my perspective TFE is, above everything else, a case study in psychology.
Yes, it has a basis in astronomy, and a simple enough observation as it's base, but that is not all it is.
The ways that the flat earth on YT "community" has visibly fractured following Will's proposition supports my assertion.
You can measure anything in your controlled model, all the while not recognizing that flight is not possible without a globe Earth. Ask the pilots on the planes you're traveling on.
Yeah about that, someone (Max Igan) in a debate with flat earthers took this exact flight and brought his own compass.
Unfortunately his compass didn’t match what the flight screen showed and was congruent with flat earth.
I used to laugh at them. The more I look into it the creepier it gets.
@@courdferguson7225of course no one (astronomers, physists, pilots wtc.) have any clue what they are doing all day.. only random online fe conmen and trolls are the wise ones.. sure👍🏻
We can even build the devices you guys are using to troll people.
@@courdferguson7225 I gather he took a magnetic compass, placed it in a metal tube filled with electronic devices (with all the random electromagnetic fields they generate), and was surprised when the compass was inaccurate?
In order to make predictions using a model, one must have a model, to use, in order to make predictions.
Flat earth is at a slight disadvantage.
Did you really expect that "just east of Sydney" would help flerfers locate the islands of New Zealand on your image?
Are these all direct flights?
I would be happy enough if they just got a piece of string and cut them to length for each flight to the map.
Then if the relative distances were representative of the relative flight times it would be meaningful.
Math is a bit too hard for people like me.
Is Will asking Flerfs to debunk the dirt pizza? Debunk it again ofcourse 🤷♂️
And not math was done in the start. Just more consipracy theories hahalove the one where they found some dates when noone uploaded the videos but did not bother to even try to do the math xD. Math hard, making up theories easy.
Theories are proven and backed up with observation. The Flat Earth can’t even do that
Lets get this challenge
imagine the moment people like witless-dont-get-it flashing back on the moment of how much crap he has spew out from his mouth when he really see the 24 hours sun on his own eye :) !!!! LMFAO
On the flight coming from Australia, is there some kind of tracking device the passenger can bring onboard that can be tracked from the ground?
The aircraft itself has an ADS-B system which transmits the aircraft's location, and you can follow the flight on flight tracker sites.
@@mikep9604so you admit the planes transmit their gps location.
@@Bobswife-v3n The AIRCAFT transmits a signal that can be detected by satellites. This is why plane location is available, even if there is no other plane in range or any tower to receive the signal. The device is called the transponder :)
You wanna make it plainly clear where you are,because they will try to say you aint even at antartica.
Ahh, but you see, all airlines everywhere ever made are in on it as well. They dont tell you that planes can survive hurricane level winds ro push them to make those distances (forget about flights the other way)
Finally
Checkmate