Being an electrician and installing EV charging points in people homes, I can honestly say for what they are they are so over priced, £1000 is nuts. I am sure the price will come down soon. I have an Hybrid VW Tiguan on order and what I have installed at my house is a 32amp external commando socket, about £20 to purchase and about 1hour to install, then I purchased a 32amp/7.2 KW charging lead from a uk manufacture, this come with an in-line control box which deals with all the earth monitoring and cut out when the car is charged, that was around £130, There are way around the cost and you can save money, I understand it is easy for me do and say all this. Also correction on what was said in the video, you can have the charger as far away from the house as you want, long as the correct cable calculations are done and the installation method is correct.
Thanks for this. I've been wondering if that was possible. Given that plenty of ev's can set their own charge time the smart capabilities of a Zappi or the like are only needed if you're lucky enough to have solar pv, heat pumps or the like to coordinate. It'll be a couple of years still before I can afford a secondhand ev but I'll definitely be looking at this route for home charging. Cheers.
@@judebrown4103 As long as you have the correct earthing arrangements and your disconnection times under fault conditions are compliant. But I would not recommend a member of the public install a commando socket to charge there car from. You do need certain safety systems to be in place.
I got my charger with the car for free, including install. However the real headache was arranging this with the other residents as I live in an apartment building.
@@Danny-204 oh yes, please don't misunderstand, I would always have my excellent electrician company, Prolectrical of Faversham assess my installation ( they recently installed a new consumer unit with a view to having a car charger installed in the future). I had just always wondered but not asked them if a commando socket was a less expensive possibility. Your comment has given me the confidence to mention it to them and I will take and implement their advice. Thank you for your informative comment and concern, don't worry I'm very safety conscious.
You can't charge your car from solar if it's not at home during the day when the sun is shining though. Most cars need a minimum of 1.4 kWh to initiate charging as well which, for a lot of household solar systems, is not achievable during our low sunshine days in the UK. Ideally new buildings should also have battery storage systems as well to better make advantage of any solar installation.
The government will still have get the income from car ownership, whether steam, electric, nuclear, petrol or diesel, the country can't be run without that dosh.
@@12alocin they'll likely introduce more toll roads (congestion easing) & add it on to the price of petrol station based charging points. The revenue from fuel duty is substantial, so they'll figure it out.
To be honest, if you don’t drive much a regular UK household plug with a good ground is all I really needed to drive about town. A wall box is nice for convenience and more weather-proof but if you can reach an existing plug it’s not strictly necessary.
True that, though a lot of installations can pull 2000W, they are often not build/tested at 2000W for 10h. In theory though, if you do less than 100km/day (double that of the average UK car), you'll be fine on a "granny charger".
Depends on whether you want to take advantage of economy 7 cheaper electric or maybe work afters and wife needs car in the day? I debated it myself. I work till 2 in the morning and wife needs car in the day, so it made sense to have the car charged in a shorter time taking advantage of cheaper electric.
This is the problem, everyone always talks as if you always charging from 0 or that you have to sit in your car whilst it’s doing it. Who cares if it’s charging for 12 hours if you’re asleep for 10 of them.
To maintain your EVs battery life you should typically be using it between 20%-80%. Run down to 20% and charge back up to 80%. That means 38.4 kWh usable from a 64 kWh battery (60%). To charge 38.4 kWh at 7 kWh is going to take just 5.5 hrs and near 14 hrs on the 3 pin wall socket charger.
A word of warning now... the OZEV grant will not be available after end of March. And if youve applied for one, the charging unit must have its installation complete by 31st March to qualify!
a company came out to install a charge point at my home and found 5 things wrong that needed rectifying. the house isn't rediculously old and the electrics are in no way unsafe either.
Will people stop saying it does 280 miles ... It doesn't unless it's a perfect no traffic warm day ... It does real world about 60 to 120 miles less depending on where you're driving, how you're driving, motorway, Broad or city, is it cold, is it wet ... Etc I will say though the only car I've test driven that had about 200 miles range was the Kia soul ev
@@PocketRockets a friend of mine in Iowa had one in the place he worked ... 340 miles claimed range ... Winter in Iowa it wouldn't even break predicted 150 miles ... (114)
How long ago was this filmed? With the cost of electricity going through the roof as it has done recently to the point of many energy companies going bankrupt, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually cheaper to run an I.C.E.
You got a point but it will be still cheaper to run a EV over a I.C.E as fuel prices have gone up to with gas and electric but I bet the margins are quite slim.
@@ben3291 Margins aren’t slim at all, i have an ID 4, currently on my electricity rate it costs around 80 cent to drive 100km or 60 odd miles, the car i had before, a diesel Peugeot 5008, costs about €11.50 or £9.80 to drive the same distance! big difference for me
@@mikeconnolly6845 but how much is a 5008 diesel vs ID.4? Massive for a decent 5008 diesel your looking at £35k for the same ID.4 its £10-12k more . Plus if you lease them your not making your money back atm plus WHY an ID.4 its crap got a horrible interior like the ID.3 should of got a Enyaq or a Hyndai Ionic 5.
@@ben3291 you’re assuming about three different things there! 1. the ID 4 i bought was just over 42 grand when i was buying it, an equivalent 5008 would have been at least 40, more likely 43-44 2. i didn’t lease, the car is on a loan so i am actually going to own the car at the end. 3. at the time i was buying, neither of those two were out, the enyaq was almost out but not quite, it also cost around 3 grand more over here for an Enyaq, no need to fucking shame me for buying a car that fits my life and that i like. and also, since i’ve bought the ID 4, i have sat in an Ioniq 5, it is nice but feels much smaller, lower and less sturdy than the ID 4.
@@mikeconnolly6845 not shaming you just telling the truth about the ID.3-4 there not good people go on about VW Quality yea on the surface they used to be but always underneath there cheap . Plus no its not 40k for 5008 you can buy a 5008 Diesel Allure for a pinch over £35K the equivalent ID.4 is like I said and checked about £10k more . Electric cars do as much damage as I.C.E cars from the get go with the process of the batteries it is far more environmentally bad and they only last 10 years max so after all that environmentally friendly driving you do to offset it your back at square one when they fail .
So the price of the charger is roughly 6000 miles of driving with petrol, just so you can charge faster? It doesn't pay itself back as there is no monetary saving unless you were having to use public chargers?
@@scollyutube not without having my wiring checked I wouldn't. What I'd actually do is, as someone else mentioned, have the wiring checked and a higher powered insulated outside socket installed. Let the car time the charging.
One problem i see is that imagine there’s 4 EV cars in your home in the near future, you can only charge one car at a time, so the smartphone charger scenario springs to mind where everyone wants power first and you usually ends up causing a fight.
It would be a good start to make the charger sockets universal by international law if they all claim to be concerned with the environment and forcing us all into EV's? What with people living in apartments? It could be a good idea to incorporate wireless induction charging in all the parking spaces, connected by an app, in case charging by cable is not an option.
They are even the Cheapest EV out which will be Dacia Spring from 2022 in the uk going to cost between £15-16K. you could buy a Ford Fiesta for that much only 2 years ago now there £18k . I will stick with my Mk3 Dacia Sandero which cost me £13k top spec with servicing.
For parts it cost about $900 for me to install a charging port. If a professional had done it, I'm pretty sure it would have been significantly more costly.
I find it a bit cheeky referring to a single phase 32A charger as "Fast". Fast would be a HVDC CHAdeMO charger running off it's own dedicated 3x63A three phase supply (at the very least), costing over £10,000 for the charger itself plus whatever the DNO want to charge for running a three phase supply into your house - if at all possible.
How can a charger pay for itself, when you'd have to charge using the granny charger anyway...it's only charging faster and saving time, that's the only real benefit.
There is more to it than that. The price paid for energy (KWh) is lower with certain energy suppliers. The rate is lower between 12 - 4, typically between 4 - 5p per KWh instead of 15p per KWh normally. For a 30 KWh charge, with a home wall box would cost £1.50 (ev tariff), granny charger £4.50 (standard tariff). For me this saves £300 per year (based on 12,000 miles per year). Also it adds to the value of your house.... win, win!
Pod point will not install one if you have a street lamp or other street installation at the end of your drive. Until you can provide information on the earthing system for that equipment. And the earthing must be the same as you as your house. And mine is not and my car is within 3 metres of a lamp post. £700 to have the lamp earth changed or 500 to have the home earth changed.
And there's the actual kicker - "not every home can have a charger" But why are we so blind to the extremely obvious solution which is for EV's to have hot swappable batteries Sure manufacturers will have to collaborate but they kind of do already So you'd roll into a Power Station, swap your depleted batteries for charged ones, the station then charges your subscription account after working out what it will come to and away you go inside 3 minutes Why is this such a difficult thing to sort out? Until this is sorted, we will NEVER be properly EV'd up...never.
I do like the last bit, do 5k miles, pays for charger, do another 2.5k miles then park car up for the rest of the 12 months otherwise you'll run over the typical lease mileage limits and walk to work. Leasing for more than 10k miles p. a. is just a silly amount per month.
At the moment for me EV's aren't viable. Take a VW UP and it's electric counterpart, £14000 vs £20300 with wall charger. In three years I would pay £1400 petrol. £435 road tax and £750 insurance equalling £16585. No range anxiety and a saving of £3715. Until the price of EV's comes down and the range extends, I'm out.
£1400 of petrol in 3 years? You're doing the distance where a bicycle would be better! If you'd done 12,000 a year and spent £5k on petrol you've broken even. Now you have to account for the second hand prices of the car, and strangely you'd have been better off in the electric car.
Trotting out the 'it takes x hours to fully charge...' when looking at the zero cost option is pretty poor. You only need to have a decent 3-pin socket with single connection to the supply , and you only need to charge your average daily use, which for most people is about 30 miles. So this is about 7-8 hours, and my Economy7 tariff works fine for this. £700 saved = 9000 miles for free!
In the UK, unlikely.The 3 remaining coal power stations will close in 22, 23 and 24. And much of the time aren't generating electricity anyway. In less developed nations that's different of course.
Wow, you’re clearly keeping up with the things you like to moan about. Well, to help you get up to speed…. Last year coal supplied 1.6% of our energy needs. Unfortunately, this year it increased massively to 2.2% due to gas shortages! Now that’s the U.K. as a whole. Scotland produces 97% of its power from renewables so my car and tv are mostly powered by wind and sunshine! The U.K. lagging behind (cos there is a moron in charge) at 43% renewables.
8 years ago, most likely. Generally renewable energy these days. It's a valid concern though, one that needs addressing and raising, not automatically dismissing... I'm an EV driver, but I'm not an Eco Warrior. I'm well aware that there are numerous environmental concerns with EV cars that are being brushed aside in order to meet quotas. I do, however, believe that EVs are _generally_ moving in the right direction.
50% is green energy, the rest not so green lol, funny how all power companies in the UK offer 100% green energy 🤔 must be at night on the soon to be extinct cheap rate
Yep, every time you "plug in" your car to recharge it, you're consuming the equivalent of twenty homes worth of energy....rolling brownouts will be our future ,as we need to be building powerplants right NOW...but I don't see this happening. A well built electric system with plenty of reserves is what brought us to this point, adding a "drain" such as electric cars will eat into that reserve very fast...& considering the snails pace of powerplants coming "online", this does not bode well.
You're way more pessimistic than any expert I've ever seen. Look at it this way, the average car in the uk drives less than 50km/day. In a decent EV, that's about 10kWh. So in a 10h night (say 20h00 to 6h00), on average every car in the UK would need a constant 1kW to be recharged at night. That's not taking into account cars charging during the day. Load balancing becomes a lot easier with EV's and smart chargers.
@@ZesPak Although the relatively short distance driven by UK drivers is encouraging, it is by no means applicable to all countries. Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands are always offered up as examples of "It could work, look at us!"....however in the bigger scope of things, these are tiny countries with insignificant populations. Worldwide use of electric vehicles right now is now running about seven-percent, a rather statistically insignificant amount. Worldwide, the plethora of two-stroke gas-powered scooters, tricycles, etc. both new & old...held together with bailing-wire & electrical tape still outnumber all other forms of transportation except perhaps bicycles....this so-called "electric revolution" is strictly a first-world issue.
I live in a 3rd world country where the electricity comes from coal Yet we managed to electrify most of our country. And will soon transition to clean energy sources for about 50% of our energy needs
@@nujjigram Myself, I'm an American living in Mar del Plata, Argentina...a so-called "developing country"...we see a smattering of electric scooters, beach-sand wide tired versions primarily, but zero cars. Argentina imports natural gas, primarily from up North in Uruguay. From time to time we will hear a dull roar in the distance, natural gas fired turbines...like an idling airliner one would hear at an airport. The 2 and a half million dollar wind turbines one sees down south in the most wide open spaces.
@@AndieBlack13 Argentina is a developing country? I always thought it was one of the rich countries. Guess that's my perspective being in a poor country
In the USA, electric cars are only a city thing or people who don’t travel can drive them. With the time it takes to recharge, it’s not worth it if you travel or drive a lot. They also never discuss the power issue. Environmentalist groups and politicians are not allowing power plants to be built, so there are areas with rolling blackouts. So how can you charge if there are power issues? Another concern is the waste of bad batteries. But that will have to come later as if these vehicles increase, and as they become abandoned, what happens to the power cells?
@@davyhoogy That's right. We have two Tesla batteries on the side of our house which charge up from solar during the day and discharge when we need them (usually in the evening) Those batteries were formerly in Tesla vehicles.
Same old same old tedious garbage . How do you fill up if there are no gas stations? If there's a gas station there's a wall socket. And isn't it funny that EV owners don't have any complaints about their cars.
So not only you paying 25k+ for EV corsa size which will be useless after 5years/battery degradation/ but on top of that you need another 2k for charger installation🙁 what a day time robbery🙁
I’ve had to put up with similar nonsense being said about the battery in my Toyota Prius Hybrid when I bought it over 11 years ago. It was 5 years old at the time. I was mercilessly trolled by the great illiteratii who insisted the battery would die within 3 years and cost more than the car to replace. Guess what? Utter nonsense! 11 years later, I’m still on the original battery and have 157k on the clock. The Prius is running like new! EV’s won’t have those fabled battery problems either.
All now irrelevant from June this year all ev charging points have to be wired into a separate meter and connected to a data gathering line out I'll let you think on how they are going to charge you from now on oh and vat on these will ne be 20% not 5 % .. also don't think it's a job for Mr average DIY man
It is happening. Currently 25% of new car sales at full EV. One year ago it was 6%, year before that 1%. Most experts say 2030 is easily achievable. If the wanted a real challenge, 2025 was doable.
@@davidkerr4103 Guess it depens on the cost of the car in different countries, but here even a small car like a 208 or Corsa is too expensive for most working people. And almost eveyone that lives in apartment buildings have no where to charge them and nothing is really happening on that front. There is just too many problems to solve in 8 years. EV should be a option not a must. At least till new better and cheaper battery tech comes.
@@Markcain268 Not very different for me, got 4 years left on the car i have now then i got 4 years to save up for a much more expensive EV, not happening. 2050 is a more reasonable goal.
No, they are chargers. The BMU on the car cannot activate the variable induction circuitry without _changed_ electron entropy. Electricity does not travel _in_ the cable, but in fields _around_ the cable, as dictated by the Conservation of such, hence, by any reasonable definition, the apparatus _is_ a charger. But you are right in that it incorporates a 'connector' that is hideously proprietary.
The grid wont cope...its all a scam! Wonder who mines the lithium for the batteries?!? And what happens to the car once the batteries are dead? Scrap yard. I cant imagine seeing 50yr old plus telsas on the road unlike some bmws etc, but this is meant to be about saving the planet? Since when was electricity considered 'green' 😂
Being an electrician and installing EV charging points in people homes, I can honestly say for what they are they are so over priced, £1000 is nuts. I am sure the price will come down soon.
I have an Hybrid VW Tiguan on order and what I have installed at my house is a 32amp external commando socket, about £20 to purchase and about 1hour to install, then I purchased a 32amp/7.2 KW charging lead from a uk manufacture, this come with an in-line control box which deals with all the earth monitoring and cut out when the car is charged, that was around £130, There are way around the cost and you can save money,
I understand it is easy for me do and say all this.
Also correction on what was said in the video, you can have the charger as far away from the house as you want, long as the correct cable calculations are done and the installation method is correct.
Thanks for this. I've been wondering if that was possible. Given that plenty of ev's can set their own charge time the smart capabilities of a Zappi or the like are only needed if you're lucky enough to have solar pv, heat pumps or the like to coordinate. It'll be a couple of years still before I can afford a secondhand ev but I'll definitely be looking at this route for home charging. Cheers.
@@judebrown4103 As long as you have the correct earthing arrangements and your disconnection times under fault conditions are compliant.
But I would not recommend a member of the public install a commando socket to charge there car from. You do need certain safety systems to be in place.
I got my charger with the car for free, including install.
However the real headache was arranging this with the other residents as I live in an apartment building.
@@Danny-204 oh yes, please don't misunderstand, I would always have my excellent electrician company, Prolectrical of Faversham assess my installation ( they recently installed a new consumer unit with a view to having a car charger installed in the future).
I had just always wondered but not asked them if a commando socket was a less expensive possibility. Your comment has given me the confidence to mention it to them and I will take and implement their advice.
Thank you for your informative comment and concern, don't worry I'm very safety conscious.
@@dgurevich1 that’s a pain, this is problem with EV, just the lack of charging facility’s for people that don’t have off street parking.
Why did Ricky screw through the flashing tape to fix the cable cleats?? Need a roofer now too! 😂
Really easy. I paid a bloke to do it in 2015 and it has worked perfectly ever since.
I guess the hard part was earning the money to pay for the charger fitting.
So we need a time machine
"With that, Ricky got his big drill out"...and the rest is history
and? lubed up his huge bit🤣🤣
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"Brazzers music intensifies"💀💀💀
It's very easy if you pay someone else to do it lol
Which is what 99% of people will do lol
you definitely should not do it yourself if youre not qualified, so keep the easy option
@@rekless1110 the easy option is way too expensive
All new buildings should be equipped with solar and Ev charging points.
You can't charge your car from solar if it's not at home during the day when the sun is shining though. Most cars need a minimum of 1.4 kWh to initiate charging as well which, for a lot of household solar systems, is not achievable during our low sunshine days in the UK. Ideally new buildings should also have battery storage systems as well to better make advantage of any solar installation.
The government will still have get the income from car ownership, whether steam, electric, nuclear, petrol or diesel, the country can't be run without that dosh.
@@12alocin they'll likely introduce more toll roads (congestion easing) & add it on to the price of petrol station based charging points. The revenue from fuel duty is substantial, so they'll figure it out.
I agree, but you would need to have a battery storage system as well. Just wish I had a driveway so I could have an EV.
To be honest, if you don’t drive much a regular UK household plug with a good ground is all I really needed to drive about town. A wall box is nice for convenience and more weather-proof but if you can reach an existing plug it’s not strictly necessary.
True that, though a lot of installations can pull 2000W, they are often not build/tested at 2000W for 10h.
In theory though, if you do less than 100km/day (double that of the average UK car), you'll be fine on a "granny charger".
@@ZesPak I have been on the granny charger for the past six months with a leaf no problems
Depends on whether you want to take advantage of economy 7 cheaper electric or maybe work afters and wife needs car in the day? I debated it myself. I work till 2 in the morning and wife needs car in the day, so it made sense to have the car charged in a shorter time taking advantage of cheaper electric.
What is security on these ev chargers? Can I lock it and stop others from using it when I'm not home?
You’ve got to be incredibly talented to get home with your car at 0% to be able to charge from 0 to 100% a 64kwh car for 28hours on a domestic outlet.
Keep driving back and forth in the driveway until it's empty :P
@@Alexandra-Rex or leave the heater or air con on it'll take a while though so get it as close to 0% as you dare
This is the problem, everyone always talks as if you always charging from 0 or that you have to sit in your car whilst it’s doing it. Who cares if it’s charging for 12 hours if you’re asleep for 10 of them.
To maintain your EVs battery life you should typically be using it between 20%-80%. Run down to 20% and charge back up to 80%. That means 38.4 kWh usable from a 64 kWh battery (60%). To charge 38.4 kWh at 7 kWh is going to take just 5.5 hrs and near 14 hrs on the 3 pin wall socket charger.
@@stevecade857 yes, that’s what should of been said..
A word of warning now... the OZEV grant will not be available after end of March. And if youve applied for one, the charging unit must have its installation complete by 31st March to qualify!
where ws this filmed in cumbria??
I’m installing a race gas pump at my house. 🇺🇸🏁
and how many scroats are gonna be nicking the cables for the copper content or worse yet causing damage or harm, can you imagine
Quite possibly, given the weaselly ratboy scavenger type seems highly prevalent in the UK . But if it's inside your garage it SHOULD be safe
Hopefully the scroats won't be wearing thick rubber gloves when nicking the cables.
Not refuel but recharge your EV. Let's get it right!
a company came out to install a charge point at my home and found 5 things wrong that needed rectifying. the house isn't rediculously old and the electrics are in no way unsafe either.
Will people stop saying it does 280 miles ... It doesn't unless it's a perfect no traffic warm day ... It does real world about 60 to 120 miles less depending on where you're driving, how you're driving, motorway, Broad or city, is it cold, is it wet ... Etc I will say though the only car I've test driven that had about 200 miles range was the Kia soul ev
Nicely said Arnold, I proved your point exactly in a Mach-E that was meant to do 379 miles on a single charge 🙈 ... (SPOILER: It didn't)
@@PocketRockets a friend of mine in Iowa had one in the place he worked ... 340 miles claimed range ... Winter in Iowa it wouldn't even break predicted 150 miles ... (114)
@@arnoldtabor3767 Wow! Madness, did he sell it and buy a proper Mustang? 🙈
@@PocketRockets nope the guy wanted to and I quote "really save the planet in style"
Apparently there is around 60,000 Charing points not 25,000
What an amazing time to be alive
Lol
Excellent information! Thanks.
You failed to mention that the Government grant comes to an end in March 2022.
It is simple install a 32A MCB circuit in your Consumer Unit and use SWA cable to your charging point - Job Done
And completely nullify your house insurance and risk prison. OK Clown.
How long ago was this filmed? With the cost of electricity going through the roof as it has done recently to the point of many energy companies going bankrupt, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually cheaper to run an I.C.E.
You got a point but it will be still cheaper to run a EV over a I.C.E as fuel prices have gone up to with gas and electric but I bet the margins are quite slim.
@@ben3291 Margins aren’t slim at all, i have an ID 4, currently on my electricity rate it costs around 80 cent to drive 100km or 60 odd miles, the car i had before, a diesel Peugeot 5008, costs about €11.50 or £9.80 to drive the same distance! big difference for me
@@mikeconnolly6845 but how much is a 5008 diesel vs ID.4? Massive for a decent 5008 diesel your looking at £35k for the same ID.4 its £10-12k more . Plus if you lease them your not making your money back atm plus WHY an ID.4 its crap got a horrible interior like the ID.3 should of got a Enyaq or a Hyndai Ionic 5.
@@ben3291 you’re assuming about three different things there!
1. the ID 4 i bought was just over 42 grand when i was buying it, an equivalent 5008 would have been at least 40, more likely 43-44
2. i didn’t lease, the car is on a loan so i am actually going to own the car at the end.
3. at the time i was buying, neither of those two were out, the enyaq was almost out but not quite, it also cost around 3 grand more over here for an Enyaq, no need to fucking shame me for buying a car that fits my life and that i like. and also, since i’ve bought the ID 4, i have sat in an Ioniq 5, it is nice but feels much smaller, lower and less sturdy than the ID 4.
@@mikeconnolly6845 not shaming you just telling the truth about the ID.3-4 there not good people go on about VW Quality yea on the surface they used to be but always underneath there cheap . Plus no its not 40k for 5008 you can buy a 5008 Diesel Allure for a pinch over £35K the equivalent ID.4 is like I said and checked about £10k more . Electric cars do as much damage as I.C.E cars from the get go with the process of the batteries it is far more environmentally bad and they only last 10 years max so after all that environmentally friendly driving you do to offset it your back at square one when they fail .
Ah, early Kia Soul EV uses two charging standards for its inlets - Type 1 and CHAdeMO exactly the same as the first gen Leaf
What if I live in a terrace or flat?
Hard lines.
Hard cheese
So the price of the charger is roughly 6000 miles of driving with petrol, just so you can charge faster? It doesn't pay itself back as there is no monetary saving unless you were having to use public chargers?
Which you would be without charging at home.... 🤔
@@judebrown4103 you can charge at home already with the standard plug, just 3 times slower and saving 1000 pounds.
@@scollyutube not without having my wiring checked I wouldn't. What I'd actually do is, as someone else mentioned, have the wiring checked and a higher powered insulated outside socket installed. Let the car time the charging.
I drive a Kia e soul as a delivery car, currently we park to a parking lot instead of company premises and return the keys...
Where to buy this product
Everywhere feminine products are sold. Haha
@@mikeyerke3920 You're not too bright and you're clearly easily emasculated.
@@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou You are dull and easily offended. Just the kind of person I like triggering.
One problem i see is that imagine there’s 4 EV cars in your home in the near future, you can only charge one car at a time, so the smartphone charger scenario springs to mind where everyone wants power first and you usually ends up causing a fight.
Most people will only need to charge once per week
Also you can just get 2 chargers or more
@@GazzaDazzle As long as your breaker box has the space. If it doesn't then it can cost several thousand more to upgrade to a bigger one.
You forgot to add in the cost of the electrical work required before the charger could even be fitted. For some that could be very expensive.
Didn't she mention they had a 100 quid breaker installed?
@@ZesPak She did but didn't include it in final costings.
@@stevecade857 Tbf it's really difficult to add £100. I feel your pain...
@@andrewcollinson4327 Yep. That's 2x tanks of petrol and about 600 miles.
@@stevecade857 boy, that comment didnt age well. 100 quid for 2 tank fulls? No.
I think they should scrape the permission of the landlord, you said they will stop the (new) combustion engines sale
Grace's Amazing Machines!
It would be a good start to make the charger sockets universal by international law if they all claim to be concerned with the environment and forcing us all into EV's?
What with people living in apartments? It could be a good idea to incorporate wireless induction charging in all the parking spaces, connected by an app, in case charging by cable is not an option.
Love the channel
Cost and availability of the vehicles are bigger issues.
They are even the Cheapest EV out which will be Dacia Spring from 2022 in the uk going to cost between £15-16K. you could buy a Ford Fiesta for that much only 2 years ago now there £18k . I will stick with my Mk3 Dacia Sandero which cost me £13k top spec with servicing.
different charge cables will be in the past. someone will make an adapter. not to worry. more concerned charge speed too slow.
I was hoping they would all adopt usb-c
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For parts it cost about $900 for me to install a charging port. If a professional had done it, I'm pretty sure it would have been significantly more costly.
Parts £65, EVSE £150 and fitted myself. 7Kw rate.
This Kia is really a super car. NO PROBLEMS AND ALREADY 25000 km. I love my Kia.
So the missus and the 3 kids all want a boost at the same time. The house only has a 100A supply. Someone's going to have to change their plans.
I find it a bit cheeky referring to a single phase 32A charger as "Fast". Fast would be a HVDC CHAdeMO charger running off it's own dedicated 3x63A three phase supply (at the very least), costing over £10,000 for the charger itself plus whatever the DNO want to charge for running a three phase supply into your house - if at all possible.
Fast charger was defined as 7kw, but Rapid is the 50kw chargers.
How can a charger pay for itself, when you'd have to charge using the granny charger anyway...it's only charging faster and saving time, that's the only real benefit.
Yes, that is the benefit. Correct.
There is more to it than that. The price paid for energy (KWh) is lower with certain energy suppliers. The rate is lower between 12 - 4, typically between 4 - 5p per KWh instead of 15p per KWh normally. For a 30 KWh charge, with a home wall box would cost £1.50 (ev tariff), granny charger £4.50 (standard tariff). For me this saves £300 per year (based on 12,000 miles per year). Also it adds to the value of your house.... win, win!
Pod point will not install one if you have a street lamp or other street installation at the end of your drive.
Until you can provide information on the earthing system for that equipment.
And the earthing must be the same as you as your house.
And mine is not and my car is within 3 metres of a lamp post.
£700 to have the lamp earth changed or 500 to have the home earth changed.
And if you want to plan a road trip to the countryside?
I have 14 Petrol Stations within a 3klm range and only one offers cheaper prices. So ICE cars must suffer from serious range anxiety.
Its OK we wont need additional chargers the big plan is care sharing!! You wont own your own car but rent one bit like the boris bike in London.
There is so much misinformation on this video, it should be taken down. Fifth gear, get someone who knows the real cost of owning an EV!!
And there's the actual kicker - "not every home can have a charger"
But why are we so blind to the extremely obvious solution which is for EV's to have hot swappable batteries
Sure manufacturers will have to collaborate but they kind of do already
So you'd roll into a Power Station, swap your depleted batteries for charged ones, the station then charges your subscription account after working out what it will come to and away you go inside 3 minutes
Why is this such a difficult thing to sort out?
Until this is sorted, we will NEVER be properly EV'd up...never.
You do know that EV batteries take up the entire floorboard of the chassis right?
Easy money for installers.
I do like the last bit, do 5k miles, pays for charger, do another 2.5k miles then park car up for the rest of the 12 months otherwise you'll run over the typical lease mileage limits and walk to work. Leasing for more than 10k miles p. a. is just a silly amount per month.
Didn’t show me how to install a charger like the title would suggest… oh yeah sorry, I mean - *click bait* 🤦
Nice
At the moment for me EV's aren't viable. Take a VW UP and it's electric counterpart, £14000 vs £20300 with wall charger. In three years I would pay £1400 petrol. £435 road tax and £750 insurance equalling £16585. No range anxiety and a saving of £3715. Until the price of EV's comes down and the range extends, I'm out.
£1400 of petrol in 3 years? You're doing the distance where a bicycle would be better! If you'd done 12,000 a year and spent £5k on petrol you've broken even. Now you have to account for the second hand prices of the car, and strangely you'd have been better off in the electric car.
Or the price of fuel goes up.....
@@youbencowell One fill up per month at £40, can't ride a bicycle on the motorway and I never buy used nor do I use finance or pcp.
@@stevecade857 Even if petrol doubled in price, my outlay would still be under the price of an EV.
@@captricharddee3634 £0 road tax for EVs won't last forever either. The old bait and switch move as they did with diesels.
"As long as you have off street parking" ..................................
Trotting out the 'it takes x hours to fully charge...' when looking at the zero cost option is pretty poor. You only need to have a decent 3-pin socket with single connection to the supply , and you only need to charge your average daily use, which for most people is about 30 miles. So this is about 7-8 hours, and my Economy7 tariff works fine for this. £700 saved = 9000 miles for free!
I thought that was a Land Rover
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good show...
This info is slightly incorrect. A wall socket can output upto 3kw not 2.3kw. Although most ev chargers limit their charge to approx 2.3kw.
Trying to buy our first EV and it has been a steep learning curve with so much misinformation or lack of.
Tell me...... what is creating the power that goes to your home? would it be............................... coal power plants?
More and more thats NOT the case, get over yourself and find out, gees!!
In the UK, unlikely.The 3 remaining coal power stations will close in 22, 23 and 24. And much of the time aren't generating electricity anyway. In less developed nations that's different of course.
Wow, you’re clearly keeping up with the things you like to moan about.
Well, to help you get up to speed….
Last year coal supplied 1.6% of our energy needs. Unfortunately, this year it increased massively to 2.2% due to gas shortages! Now that’s the U.K. as a whole. Scotland produces 97% of its power from renewables so my car and tv are mostly powered by wind and sunshine!
The U.K. lagging behind (cos there is a moron in charge) at 43% renewables.
8 years ago, most likely.
Generally renewable energy these days.
It's a valid concern though, one that needs addressing and raising, not automatically dismissing...
I'm an EV driver, but I'm not an Eco Warrior. I'm well aware that there are numerous environmental concerns with EV cars that are being brushed aside in order to meet quotas.
I do, however, believe that EVs are _generally_ moving in the right direction.
50% is green energy, the rest not so green lol, funny how all power companies in the UK offer 100% green energy 🤔 must be at night on the soon to be extinct cheap rate
They will never do the range stated by the manufacturer and how are people who have no off road parking going to charge ❓
If you don't have a parking slot, you probably shouldn't own a car
@@nujjigram really 🤔 millions of people don't have off road parking that's just a stupid thing to say
The other day I saw a new Ionic 5, a few teslas, MG's and various other EV's, they were in the same fucking traffic jam as me.
Still waiting for the punchline 😴
What's your point?
Yep, every time you "plug in" your car to recharge it, you're consuming the equivalent of twenty homes worth of energy....rolling brownouts will be our future ,as we need to be building powerplants right NOW...but I don't see this happening. A well built electric system with plenty of reserves is what brought us to this point, adding a "drain" such as electric cars will eat into that reserve very fast...& considering the snails pace of powerplants coming "online", this does not bode well.
You're way more pessimistic than any expert I've ever seen.
Look at it this way, the average car in the uk drives less than 50km/day. In a decent EV, that's about 10kWh. So in a 10h night (say 20h00 to 6h00), on average every car in the UK would need a constant 1kW to be recharged at night.
That's not taking into account cars charging during the day.
Load balancing becomes a lot easier with EV's and smart chargers.
@@ZesPak Although the relatively short distance driven by UK drivers is encouraging, it is by no means applicable to all countries. Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands are always offered up as examples of "It could work, look at us!"....however in the bigger scope of things, these are tiny countries with insignificant populations. Worldwide use of electric vehicles right now is now running about seven-percent, a rather statistically insignificant amount. Worldwide, the plethora of two-stroke gas-powered scooters, tricycles, etc. both new & old...held together with bailing-wire & electrical tape still outnumber all other forms of transportation except perhaps bicycles....this so-called "electric revolution" is strictly a first-world issue.
I live in a 3rd world country where the electricity comes from coal
Yet we managed to electrify most of our country. And will soon transition to clean energy sources for about 50% of our energy needs
@@nujjigram Myself, I'm an American living in Mar del Plata, Argentina...a so-called "developing country"...we see a smattering of electric scooters, beach-sand wide tired versions primarily, but zero cars. Argentina imports natural gas, primarily from up North in Uruguay. From time to time we will hear a dull roar in the distance, natural gas fired turbines...like an idling airliner one would hear at an airport. The 2 and a half million dollar wind turbines one sees down south in the most wide open spaces.
@@AndieBlack13 Argentina is a developing country?
I always thought it was one of the rich countries.
Guess that's my perspective being in a poor country
In the USA, electric cars are only a city thing or people who don’t travel can drive them. With the time it takes to recharge, it’s not worth it if you travel or drive a lot. They also never discuss the power issue. Environmentalist groups and politicians are not allowing power plants to be built, so there are areas with rolling blackouts. So how can you charge if there are power issues? Another concern is the waste of bad batteries. But that will have to come later as if these vehicles increase, and as they become abandoned, what happens to the power cells?
americans have an ignorant stereotype outside the USA
What a bunch of utter crap is in your head. Please go get a proper education.
2nd life for batteries will be the norm in homes as power storage. Use the power when expensive, charge when its cheap
@@davyhoogy That's right. We have two Tesla batteries on the side of our house which charge up from solar during the day and discharge when we need them (usually in the evening)
Those batteries were formerly in Tesla vehicles.
Same old same old tedious garbage . How do you fill up if there are no gas stations? If there's a gas station there's a wall socket.
And isn't it funny that EV owners don't have any complaints about their cars.
Electric Cars and Heat Pumps….
So not only you paying 25k+ for EV corsa size which will be useless after 5years/battery degradation/ but on top of that you need another 2k for charger installation🙁 what a day time robbery🙁
No electric car has a useless battery after 5 years. They have longer warranties than that.
What are you on about?
Did you smell a bit too much petrol before commenting?
I’ve had to put up with similar nonsense being said about the battery in my Toyota Prius Hybrid when I bought it over 11 years ago. It was 5 years old at the time. I was mercilessly trolled by the great illiteratii who insisted the battery would die within 3 years and cost more than the car to replace.
Guess what? Utter nonsense! 11 years later, I’m still on the original battery and have 157k on the clock. The Prius is running like new! EV’s won’t have those fabled battery problems either.
Prefer Vicki
I take it that presenter doesn't drive an EV!! She's no idea how public charging works!!
All now irrelevant from June this year all ev charging points have to be wired into a separate meter and connected to a data gathering line out I'll let you think on how they are going to charge you from now on oh and vat on these will ne be 20% not 5 % .. also don't think it's a job for Mr average DIY man
Humans are so awkward on camera 🎥 or just awkward lol
Looks great. But how long until you get injury lawyers after you because people have tripped over your charging cables. 😆
Really?
All electric by 2030, good luck with that. Not gonna happen!
It is happening. Currently 25% of new car sales at full EV. One year ago it was 6%, year before that 1%.
Most experts say 2030 is easily achievable. If the wanted a real challenge, 2025 was doable.
@@davidkerr4103 Guess it depens on the cost of the car in different countries, but here even a small car like a 208 or Corsa is too expensive for most working people. And almost eveyone that lives in apartment buildings have no where to charge them and nothing is really happening on that front. There is just too many problems to solve in 8 years. EV should be a option not a must. At least till new better and cheaper battery tech comes.
It'll be about 2050 by the time I could afford a used ev, I'll be too old by then to care lol
@@Markcain268 Not very different for me, got 4 years left on the car i have now then i got 4 years to save up for a much more expensive EV, not happening. 2050 is a more reasonable goal.
@@NikesZ28 it's not as if I've seen any affordable EVs I actually want, think I'll save my money and utilise my pensioners bus pass lol
Completely useless if you live in a block of units.
They're just a glorified golf cart.
Over priced connector....it's not a charger .....thats built into the car lol....great false information
No, they are chargers.
The BMU on the car cannot activate the variable induction circuitry without _changed_ electron entropy. Electricity does not travel _in_ the cable, but in fields _around_ the cable, as dictated by the Conservation of such, hence, by any reasonable definition, the apparatus _is_ a charger.
But you are right in that it incorporates a 'connector' that is hideously proprietary.
@@michaelgriffiths2957 Best response ever!
The overpriced bit is correct though. All of them. The joys of early adoption.
The grid wont cope...its all a scam! Wonder who mines the lithium for the batteries?!? And what happens to the car once the batteries are dead? Scrap yard.
I cant imagine seeing 50yr old plus telsas on the road unlike some bmws etc, but this is meant to be about saving the planet? Since when was electricity considered 'green' 😂
Hideous car
The trickyest bit is drilling a hole in the wall ,
And running the cable through
Worth a feature on a car programme then