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  • Tom Silva and Kevin O'Connor start laying subfloor in the Cape Ann dining room.
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    After several weeks of asbestos and lead removal it’s time to start rebuilding the interior of the Cape Ann project. Kevin O'Connor helps Tom Silva lay subflooring in what will become the new dining room.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 155

  • @ElJoeRN
    @ElJoeRN 4 роки тому +147

    Just a few more videos and I'll be ready to build my house all on my own. Only took 15 years of watching videos

    • @willofdodge1
      @willofdodge1 3 роки тому +6

      Have you checked out Essential Craftsman or
      Perkins Builder Brothers, they both have series on building a house from ground up

    • @ElJoeRN
      @ElJoeRN 3 роки тому +3

      @@willofdodge1 yes sir, I'm actually subscribed to them. You have good taste 👌

    • @21gonza21
      @21gonza21 3 роки тому

      I’m sure you forgot most of it , it’s not easy if you don’t put it to practice

    • @jigneshdevganiya
      @jigneshdevganiya Рік тому

      Just try and fail, you are gonna love it.

  • @hassanzorome7497
    @hassanzorome7497 4 роки тому +15

    Best contractor and knowledge in America,I wish I can hire the entire team to build my next house👍.

  • @saulgoodman2018
    @saulgoodman2018 4 роки тому +14

    3:00 Just tap it in. Just tap it in. Give it a little tappy. Tap Tap Taparoo.

  • @ATAHUALPA867
    @ATAHUALPA867 4 роки тому +13

    I love this man..so professional.

  • @deandecoursey3061
    @deandecoursey3061 3 роки тому +53

    Two things that don’t apply to home builders because of cost and time. If installing 3/4 inch hardwood flooring on top, I wouldn’t use particle board as the sub floor but would use 3/4 inch plywood sub flooring. Particle board won’t hold the cleats or staples used by flooring installers. Second, id screw the sub floor down instead of shooting nails in. Screws don’t back out of the sub floor like nails do.

    • @cfrahmy8008
      @cfrahmy8008 2 роки тому +1

      I'm about to lay subfloor. What kind of screws do you recommend?

    • @justinballard7242
      @justinballard7242 2 роки тому +1

      @@cfrahmy8008 just deck screws man

    • @joshuasmith1215
      @joshuasmith1215 2 роки тому +1

      Angle the nails bro

    • @shawnp2706
      @shawnp2706 2 роки тому

      Yea B/C

    • @bludika
      @bludika 2 роки тому +2

      Agreed I hate nails for subfloors, they will ALWAYS loosen up over time and cause squeaks

  • @hassanzorome7497
    @hassanzorome7497 4 роки тому +1

    I been watching they craftsmanship and genuine work for the pass 20 years and over150 years combined experience of those professional that said it all.

  • @vickynoname9860
    @vickynoname9860 2 місяці тому

    About to take on this on my 98yr old spanish style remodel.

  • @repobud1
    @repobud1 3 роки тому +20

    "The nail gun won't pull the floor down to the joist" well Tommy obviously doesn't run his compressor at 150psi.

  • @Mike__B
    @Mike__B 4 роки тому +8

    Gotta say, never glued the groove of T&G flooring

  • @dennydeckerful
    @dennydeckerful Рік тому +2

    I use 3" construction screws for subfloor.

    • @jakeklassen3702
      @jakeklassen3702 2 місяці тому

      That’s a bit excessive. 1 3/4” is plenty. I use the Pam driving system and it’s great.

  • @ShaneCarroll-1
    @ShaneCarroll-1 2 роки тому +1

    This is worth watching just for the amazing accent

  • @daviddesilva4971
    @daviddesilva4971 4 роки тому +2

    Kevin doing the 2 step.

  • @ubacow7109
    @ubacow7109 2 місяці тому

    gluing into the tongue and groove i dont see too many people doing, im sure its a good detail but nowadays a lot of people just use high strength foam adhesive to spray on the joist and let ring nails do the rest of the work

  • @joedarden2276
    @joedarden2276 7 місяців тому

    Outstanding

  • @breezetix
    @breezetix 4 роки тому +11

    2:20 he should teach me how to glue like that

    • @BTcycle
      @BTcycle 4 роки тому +14

      @@Kevin-mp5of Film crew was like hurry up and get out of the way.

    • @besearchingforwisdom6267
      @besearchingforwisdom6267 4 роки тому

      Why would he?
      You can watch the video and see it

    • @borys444
      @borys444 4 роки тому +1

      Kevin hey Kevin, how’s it going?

    • @borys444
      @borys444 4 роки тому

      Kevin do u mind if I ask y it is that u find it unfortunate to b above ground? Did someone in ur family die or do u have a terminal illness that u r suffering from at the moment?

    • @borys444
      @borys444 4 роки тому

      Kevin 50 is so young..My father passed away at 49 and I miss him so much, I wish he had the desire to keep on with life and watch me grow up to b who I am today. He told me it was all about quality not quantity but in the meantime while he was thinking all of this he left me to suffer as I struggled to grow up without any real parent figure in my life from the age of 12. I felt he was to young to b so selfish because he had so many ppl in his life who loved him so very much. He left us all heartbroken.

  • @21gonza21
    @21gonza21 3 роки тому +2

    I would like to see a test comparison with a press with that “engineered lumber” vs solid 2x10...

    • @heinzotto1194
      @heinzotto1194 3 роки тому +1

      They did a compression and tension test of the engineered stuff, I believe it’s in the full episode

    • @jakeklassen3702
      @jakeklassen3702 2 місяці тому

      Engineered joists are far superior over dimensional lumber. You can span greater distances with the engineered joists and they have bigger top and bottom cords.

  • @oldskoolwayy
    @oldskoolwayy 3 роки тому +6

    I just dont understand why they will not use screws.

    • @cybs2956
      @cybs2956 Рік тому +2

      It's quicker to use a nail gun.

  • @MrDbone75
    @MrDbone75 4 роки тому +2

    Good morning everyone from wellington Somerset in the UK

    • @DustinSearing
      @DustinSearing 4 роки тому

      Good morning from laporte indiana,usa

    • @borys444
      @borys444 4 роки тому +1

      Morning from somerset nj

  • @carrabellicusp
    @carrabellicusp 4 роки тому +8

    Again it all about attention to detail that makes or breaks it

    • @nguyensms
      @nguyensms 3 роки тому

      Tom is so knowledgeable! Hope he can past it on to future generations

  • @heroknaderi
    @heroknaderi 3 роки тому +1

    Very helpful

  • @RoadTripJunky79
    @RoadTripJunky79 Місяць тому

    I thought you were supposed to leave a small gap between boards for expansion

  • @bobrunge7594
    @bobrunge7594 4 роки тому +11

    They just said to have the joist between your legs/feet when nailing. Notice the guy just before the explanation is nailing the sub flooring nothing like that. Just hit and miss.

    • @bobrunge7594
      @bobrunge7594 4 роки тому

      Kevin who?

    • @MandoFettOG
      @MandoFettOG 3 роки тому +1

      To be fair he's working the edge of a sheet in that clip and he is standing on the side of the osb he's nailing.. so he's doing the right thing

  • @Joedirt5
    @Joedirt5 4 роки тому +5

    Does framing go on top of subfloor or do u frame walls first then u put subfloor?

    • @CircleVGamer
      @CircleVGamer 4 роки тому +12

      Subfloor then the walls

    • @Joedirt5
      @Joedirt5 3 роки тому +2

      @@CircleVGamer thanks

  • @cattigereyes1
    @cattigereyes1 4 роки тому +33

    Not a fan of OSB but i can see how contractors like it due to the quick installation. But water damage kills OSB its like a sponge 🧽

    • @x-raymind7778
      @x-raymind7778 4 роки тому +10

      This particular brand advanteck is real durable water doesn’t permeate it but ya there is some cheesy OSB out there

    • @zack9912000
      @zack9912000 4 роки тому +1

      why i would never use them as runners for a floor

    • @bigvegass
      @bigvegass 4 роки тому +3

      Oh look, another "expert" on OSB. EAD

    • @cattigereyes1
      @cattigereyes1 4 роки тому +2

      Wes look not a expert I have seen OSB in my garage swell with just moisture as it aged! Fact! I did find out OSB stamped OS with consider waterproof

    • @zack9912000
      @zack9912000 4 роки тому +1

      @@bigvegass See them daily swollen up and coming apart like normal OSB. If they get wet they will degrade, again seen that daily in craw spaces.

  • @nihadmohammed686
    @nihadmohammed686 Рік тому

    Very professional like this videos

  • @josecarpio1768
    @josecarpio1768 4 роки тому +1

    Hi you guys are the best I was looking for a video

  • @MOONRAK3R23
    @MOONRAK3R23 4 роки тому +5

    You can’t beat the Advantech subfloor!!!

    • @x-raymind7778
      @x-raymind7778 4 роки тому +5

      No it’s the best stuff there’s some people saying it’s garbage osb that tells you they never used it

  • @daveyt4802
    @daveyt4802 7 місяців тому

    Nails is what causes squeaks. Adhesive should fix the problem?

  • @bonniemiller4106
    @bonniemiller4106 3 роки тому

    You guys are great!

  • @c43805
    @c43805 3 місяці тому

    No compressor. Can i use screws?

  • @brandonbennett1564
    @brandonbennett1564 4 роки тому +6

    The expansion and contraction of the wood riding up and down the nail is what causes squeaks we need to start using screws to lady subfloors. Putting houses together faster with nails is not the way to go

    • @powerwagon3731
      @powerwagon3731 4 роки тому

      Brandon Bennett My floors never squeak even after 30 years of building, just do All your jobs right for no worries.

    • @brandonbennett1564
      @brandonbennett1564 3 роки тому +1

      Power Wagon mainly homes with a second floor has squeaky floors. this old house covered this year’s back on why it squeaks. the fix is to run screws through the floor.

  • @aloiswinzinger1160
    @aloiswinzinger1160 2 роки тому

    why didn't he nail at the edge? its marked on the floor for where the nails and screws go

  • @bigal25938
    @bigal25938 2 роки тому +1

    Shouldn’t there be a little gap between the joints of osb to allow for swelling expansion?

    • @Paxman071
      @Paxman071 2 роки тому +3

      toungue and groove panels are usually self gapping

  • @gerardogomez6104
    @gerardogomez6104 2 роки тому

    How thick should the subfloor plywood needs to be?

  • @berniemac8413
    @berniemac8413 4 роки тому +1

    Anyone know what model nail gun that was?

    • @ajs96350
      @ajs96350 3 роки тому

      I have that one, it's an Hitachi NV83A4, it's the heavy one.
      Do not get the 90 series, they are lightweight junk, the pistons break every 10th nail.

  • @1sttigertiger426
    @1sttigertiger426 4 роки тому +5

    Houses (subfloor, roof and exterior sheathing, and now joists) are now made of wood chips - how efficient and cost effective. How long will they last, especially if they come into contact with water? Also our walls are made of paper (drywall).

    • @heinzotto1194
      @heinzotto1194 3 роки тому +1

      Yep.. the cheapest of the cheapest. Basically cardboard covered with a bunch of (mildly toxic) resin, covered with more cardboard and some gypsum…

  • @LokeronXAmor
    @LokeronXAmor 4 роки тому +9

    More like “This New House” 😏

  • @SpotBentley
    @SpotBentley 3 роки тому

    When should you use cement board versus something like Ditra for your subfloor?

    • @OmerSchechter
      @OmerSchechter 3 роки тому +5

      from my very novice knowledge of watching hours and hours of TOH and renovation videos - Ditra is an uncoupling membrane, which means, as the name says, it un-couples one surface from another. Ditra was made to be put between subfloors of wooden material and hard surfaces like tiles so that when wood goes through its seasonal expansion/contraction, it does not harm the solid joints between the tiles laid on top of it.

  • @kidjeff4304
    @kidjeff4304 4 роки тому +2

    Crazy to see TOH use all this engineered material. I wonder how it would hold up down south vs. The termites.

    • @nauthizzz
      @nauthizzz 4 роки тому +5

      Apparently OSB and similar engineered wood products hold up well against termites because the glue/cement used to hold them together makes them a poor source of cellulose as far as termites are concerned.

  • @jb60135
    @jb60135 2 роки тому

    3:51 it really looks like he missed twice

  • @fmaz1952
    @fmaz1952 4 роки тому +2

    I much prefer the ones with metal triangles. Leaves ton of room for wires and pipes.

    • @powerwagon3731
      @powerwagon3731 4 роки тому +3

      F Maz Those are designed for commercial purposes and very expensive.

  • @joohsay
    @joohsay Рік тому

    If Tommy said it, then it is true! lol

  • @chicagowsox212
    @chicagowsox212 4 роки тому

    Tom Silva is a Michaelangelo of our time

  • @davidbray6515
    @davidbray6515 4 роки тому +21

    Life would be sweet if contractor's did what they should but it just doesn't happen

    • @superwiseman452
      @superwiseman452 4 роки тому +5

      Amen. Tommy Silva is the best of the best. If every contractor had his standards, all would be good.

    • @powerwagon3731
      @powerwagon3731 4 роки тому +4

      I do what I should and more. Blanket statement is invalid.

  • @Rulesofengagement5
    @Rulesofengagement5 Рік тому

    What kinda nail gun is that ?

  • @alphagamer6651
    @alphagamer6651 4 роки тому +7

    Well that dues 2 things

  • @xoxo2008oxox
    @xoxo2008oxox 4 роки тому +13

    "Layin some floor but first gotta get my cawk gun out!" Um, I rather screw it, than nail-nails will squeak eventually.

    • @Davey768
      @Davey768 4 роки тому +1

      You can shoot screws with a nail gun too, that would be best.

  • @johnevans2004
    @johnevans2004 3 роки тому

    I joist `s are marked which way is up tommy

  • @ryanbeachler9226
    @ryanbeachler9226 2 роки тому

    Curious why they didn't use the foam adhesive!?

    • @LincolnLog
      @LincolnLog Рік тому +1

      its $20/can vs $6/can for the same glue

  • @c0mputer
    @c0mputer 3 роки тому

    “This doos two things...”

  • @stevebausch72
    @stevebausch72 Місяць тому

    There are many half-truths and incorrect statements in the comments.
    In the U.S., OSB is okay for the floor, that's why there are two spans given on the material. Same as for plywood. The shortest is flooring, the longer span rating is for roofing.
    Commodity grade OSB will most definitely swell, even if it didn't rain during construction. You will see that happening to roof decks long after construction. Humidity in the attic will swell the edges.
    HOWEVER, Advantec and Georgia Pacific both have a premium grade of OSB subfloor that have 500 day No-Sand guarantees. G.P. brand is DryMax. I-joist OSB webs have an extra dose of resin/glue in its web stock, as do the super premium OSB subfloors. If anyone doubts the 500 day guarantee, take home a scrap (or buy a sheet) and leave it your back yard.

    • @stevebausch72
      @stevebausch72 Місяць тому

      Particle board is Not OSB.
      Wafer board is Not OSB.
      In the U.S., of the three products, only OSB is approved for flooring.

  • @tonyzuco6144
    @tonyzuco6144 3 роки тому +3

    Still using nails? To cheap to use screws?

  • @MarkD26
    @MarkD26 4 роки тому

    No notes on the fire resistant needs of the engineered beams?

  • @johnnygutierrez4408
    @johnnygutierrez4408 Рік тому

    The teecos nails on joice those are the worst blocking materal use 2 by ten or how far the span is .That blocking causes sqeeks. 🇺🇲

  • @Flipkicker86
    @Flipkicker86 3 роки тому +2

    My gosh take the caulk gun away from the stoog helping.

    • @juan2049
      @juan2049 3 роки тому

      Lol i laughed at that too

  • @oyeAhmer
    @oyeAhmer 4 роки тому

    Paaaaraak

  • @HeyJoe1978
    @HeyJoe1978 7 місяців тому

    OSB is not rated for horizontal use. Also a very bad choice if there is any chance it would see any moisture or humidity at all. Code would be 3/4 hardwood plywood.

  • @danithaman4610
    @danithaman4610 4 роки тому +8

    If it gets wet it’s not so good anymore

    • @nilz23
      @nilz23 4 роки тому +7

      The same if it gets on fire. Good thing neither of those things happen to houses.

    • @besearchingforwisdom6267
      @besearchingforwisdom6267 4 роки тому

      Watch how it is made

    • @nilz23
      @nilz23 3 роки тому

      @@besearchingforwisdom6267 I'm just going to assume its pressed sawdust and toilet paper remnants

    • @nilz23
      @nilz23 3 роки тому

      @LiquidDevil,Inc. While not being ideal, even plywood would have been much better.

    • @SilverGorilla1776
      @SilverGorilla1776 3 роки тому +1

      It’s advantech. Moisture resistant. Not typical osb.

  • @harveypost7799
    @harveypost7799 4 роки тому

    Mother Phelps doesn't need a plate she's got a face for the sticky stuff

  • @Dav3
    @Dav3 4 роки тому

    How can I get in touch with these guys to half a55 my floor install?

  • @jaycos5978
    @jaycos5978 2 роки тому

    Ring shank nails?

  • @infotainment999
    @infotainment999 4 роки тому +1

    If there is no rush for the job good'o hammer & nails is way more satisfying.

  • @MRrwmac
    @MRrwmac 4 роки тому +5

    Tom, Please don’t let your years of high quality building standards be swayed. You know OSB is bad and have said so many times in the past!

    • @paristo
      @paristo 4 роки тому +3

      OSB has its places, but not like this... Anyone who knows how OBS behaves structurally in various scenarios should be shaking their heads in that idea.
      I don't know what has been done in the past decades in these videos, but one thing that I think has changed in the last year or so is that lots of designs and installations they are showing are "one-time-only" kind setups that doesn't allow easy repairs and access IF required in the future. Like that adhesive idea for the subflooring, that when you need to get access in there, you just don't have nails there but you have all glued up as well.
      While in old school methods you used materials that dampened sounds but kept things so you could in case if required to open up things without too much damaging places.
      It must be something to do with the latest trends for "Eco-Friendly" laws and all ideas, how anything that can be even considered "dangerous", "poisonous" or "damaging the mother earth or people" etc in any phase of the manufacturing, they are removed.
      Like now we have house paints for exterior walls and roofs that can't withstand weather, wears off in few years and you need to make all again less than decade or two. Previously you had paints that didn't peel off for decades, like 30-50 years and it was like a new compared to todays, but it yet was made with just one step or process that made "Green-People" unhappy.
      These days lots of construction workers don't anymore think anything about what should be needed to be done after it is done. So servicing and maintenance becomes just very difficult or impossible.

    • @x-raymind7778
      @x-raymind7778 4 роки тому +11

      This is advanteck it is used in every house now from multimillion to 2 bedroom it gives you the flattest strongest floor hands down and water doesn’t permeate it like cheap noname osb

    • @larrymoore6640
      @larrymoore6640 4 роки тому +1

      @@x-raymind7778 The biggest problem is a contractor or DIY person will go to a discount store and purchase it because of the price. Same type material but not the good brand.

  • @ShakespeareCafe
    @ShakespeareCafe 2 роки тому +1

    Too cheap to glue and screw. Nails will eventually lead to squeaking floors and Tommy will be cursed. GRK Screws or nothing at all. They're the best

  • @diytwoincollege7079
    @diytwoincollege7079 8 місяців тому

    Just don’t let it get wet

  • @flashflexpro
    @flashflexpro 3 роки тому

    Talk well, but doing it wrong carelessly.

  • @stpariah9609
    @stpariah9609 4 роки тому +2

    So many things I see wrong in this video. Basically trying to do cliff notes on how to build a new ‘builder grade’ house. (Builder grade is the lowest grade you can go)

    • @curiousgeorge986
      @curiousgeorge986 4 роки тому +5

      Like you can do any better

    • @borys444
      @borys444 4 роки тому +3

      What did they do wrong Einstein?

    • @TheMVCoho
      @TheMVCoho 10 місяців тому

      And what is it that you do?

  • @kitcarsoncarson615
    @kitcarsoncarson615 Рік тому

    The problem with these people on This Old House is they don't do anything for anybody south of Massachusetts. The whole country isn't helped practically. I asked once in a letter to This Old House and the most they did was say your letter has been received but don't hold your breath. Unless you've been doing home improvement for years and years you cannot follow their instruction.

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    @SD-yb5fx 4 роки тому +2

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  • @tofan2622
    @tofan2622 4 роки тому +1

    Wow. What a cheap way to build a house, no clue how some people would be ok with that.

    • @c31979839
      @c31979839 4 роки тому +2

      Build a cheap house, rent the house out like it was built at full cost. 10-15 years down the road, sell and move onto the next one.
      High quality homes have their place. But so do cheap houses. I'd rather see my pockets lined with cash if all I'm doing is investing. Renters wouod never know the difference. E

    • @fmaz1952
      @fmaz1952 4 роки тому

      I agree. I'd be ashame to show this being my work.

    • @TheMVCoho
      @TheMVCoho 10 місяців тому

      What exactly are you referring to as "cheap"?

  • @Yorkie285
    @Yorkie285 4 роки тому +1

    4:24 minutes of noninformative video..