RIP Brad. I've been a Brad fan since the early 90's. I played the same MUD as him, Sojourn (later named Toril Mud) and followed him straight into EQ launch. I was there for the launch of EQ, Vanguard and now Pantheon. Having an absolute blast. Great video! Thanks for all that you do.
4:05 Exactly. Look, if I was able to scrape up $50 for an EQ box and hustle my way to $10/m (paying my parents) at age 13, there should be NO question that an MMORPG that's always online and always needs updates absolutely requires a subscription fee - it's literally not even a question. No F2P. No cosmetic shop. No cash shop. A simple sub fee with the option to buy a merch box (aka optional box price for those that want to further support the Devs). Afterall, people pay $22/m Netflix to watch a movie once a month.
@kingboy280 Paying developers a living wage is archaic? Please explain, do you go to work for free or do you get a paycheck? If you can suggest a way to continuously employ devs to maintain an MMORPG, I'd love to hear it. Also, this is not a "live service" game like COD and games like COD would not exist without cash shops. And again, almost everything you own is on a subscription model: Spotify, Amazon Prime, Twitch, Netflix, Hulu, OnStar, Xbox Game Pass, GeForce Now, even Tesla requires a monthly subscription fee to drive their car.
Rest in peace Brad. BTW yes I made it to the end, and I really appreciated the history about the game in the 2nd half. Thank you! Keep doing great work
Ever since I saw Shadow of The Colossus in 2005 I've been a huge fan of detailed, high quality animations. With variety in motions and natural character interactions with the environment. I don't care what graphics look like, and even sort of prefer that mid 2000's look. I always thought the high quality animations of games like sotc were going to be the future of video games and I've largely be disappointed in every game released for the past 20 years. Guild Wars 2 having the highest standard of animation I've seen so far. What I'm saying is. I love mmos, but this game killed all my interest by putting such basic and repetitive animations for every action.
those are the classic EQ animations, how dare you call them basic and repetitive? they are 1999 vintage animations, they have matured like a fine wine, pearls to swine, i swear...
@@redeadslaya Yep, I played a few weekends already as well. It just has a better feel IMO. I do like Pantheon though, but Jan 2026 early access M&M is what Im really waiting for :D Evercraft is pretty dope as well too I gotta say.
If you want a group Face Game you need to focus on group mechanics it doesn't matter if you get rid of exp all together. There needs to be reasons to communicate and exp grinding barely qualifies as a social activity. Vanguard and Everquest 2 had some good dungeons where you had to communicate because you had to keep moving unless you wanted to waste your time
Hey man, nice video and story with Aradune. I might give this game a try. I Played Sojourn/Toril MUD back in the early 90s. Aradune (half elf Ranger as I recalled) was playing a couple years before me but we ended up in the same guild (Crimson Sigil). As the MUD was wiping to start from scratch in the late 90s (1998-1999 I think), by then most people quit the game. I remember Aradune was telling us he was going to make a graphical version of this Sojourn/Toril Mud and named it Everquest. Unfortunately I never tried it. Decided to do real life stuff for a few years, then ended up in WoW instead.
Heya! I played Sojourn/Toril as well! From the early 90's straight into EQ launch. I wasn't in CS but I sure did love seeing you all running around, slaying Tiamat and hanging out at 3 West. I still do a "snoopy like dance of joy" irl sometimes ;)
I bet that is where he got the name for his first game company from. Sigil Games Online. This guy was wondering the same thing 22 years ago. www.torilmud.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1159
Up to 24 solo is much faster than grouping. Grouping needs more rewards via exp. Jabba wants you to be able to solo and get good experience. I'm all for grouping, but with systems as is, there's been days where I sat for 12 hours w/o a group. I can solo from 1-12 in about 6 hours. Went from start of 18 to 20 in about 6 hours solo. Grouping needs a boost to exp. Wait time, travel, Deaths, ect make Grouping rough. Needs level sync - mentoring before we can talk about nerfing solo. Bank stacking is a bandaid till they figure out how to fix a dupe issue.
the game is already one of the most playable MMO experiences since late WotLK... up to level 25. great things about the game: 1) group gameplay is insanely fun 2) the whole deck builder part of the game is fantastic... takes.a bit to realize that the intent is to have you carefully pick the skills you bring to content, or to a group 3) the world as we have it so far is fantastic 4) travel is enjoyable... at least for the first 200 hours. Idk. might become annoying. bad things about the game: 1) not much implemented yet past 25... this includes skill sets and content 2) level requirements are tight and brutal. xp drops off hard when things are lower level than you, but you basically can't do a thing to mobs 3+ levels above you. this means groups need to be within a couple levels of eachother. 3) lots of terrain bugs in less-completed zones. fair. but also getting stuck in halnirs is kind of cringe 4) UI stuff needs improvement. ability to find mobs in a group is rough. ability to see what you've targeted is rough. there need to be vision solutions for dualwielders ect. i'm sure these things are coming. the game has been insanely fun. there hasn't been a more enjoyable MMO "release" since WotLK. it has great potential if the developers take their work seriously it will be great.
You are correct sir, I have not...but I bet I can level them to 7 and hit group content (skells) in about 4 hours with either of them the same as any other class.
It doesn't have to take 10 times as long to lvl solo. There are alot of times when u cannot find a group at late hours and if its gonna take 10x longer to lvl that will force ppl to log off instead of keep playing and that AWEFUL for a game.
@@THEGAMEIS No, leveling should not be less xp for solo, you just make more compelling and rewarding group experiences. So, when people can, they join those because it is more beneficial for them, but day to day quick log in people should be able to solo...like, adults have lives, right?!
As soon as the movement is tuned I’m hopping in. Right now it just feels to floaty and scuffed. More like Project Gorgon than an MVP moving to launch. I do worry these MMOs are dragging things out on purpose because the dev stretch is more profitable. I don’t wanna feel that way but smaller teams released the first MMOs years faster with waaaayyy less technology. Some of these just don’t make sense but I’ve decided to be more optimistic.
Nice man Embers Adrift was secretly a really sick game, any game where the tanks spit piss to get more agro is great in my book. Sad the population tanked so hard last year. They completely shot themselves in the foot with the no magic thing though, it turned everyone away who I tried getting into the game.
From my experience. To get a group takes 0 minutes to 20 minutes on avg. Every time I start to do anything and im flagged LFG I get called it. There had been some longer stretches I wait LFG if Im not active about it. It feels like 3-9 are active then lvl 9-12 are pretty rough then everyone gets into the manor at 12+ and goes from there.
The game is good for what it is. Its relaxing and slow. kinda drives socal interactions. It is rough around the edges. Iove it though. They did do an update on a Saturday night which was weird but they said 15 20 minutes and it was so that's a good sign. Item stacks for me but had to do it myself
Honestly I want to try the game, but that price tag for what it looks like is a hard sell. I need a way to play it to try it and see how it feels. Freemium seems like a good option having a "free" option to act as a demo before locking it off to have a subscription model past that point would be a decent idea for the game.
I think a 5-10 hour demo would be a great idea! Not sure how to implement that so it doesnt mess up the servers. Maybe have a demo server. Then when you buy the game you can have access to the other servers.
the design did change because they wanted to get the game out there. and with the more realistic design it would be too expensive. it was a hard decision but the right one tbh. great team great game great community. especially the community is just awesome. every game has an insane amount of toxicity and trolls. not this one.
Solo vs Group. If you kill solo play and go with your suggestion, you end up with a bunch of single players with multi-box accounts, or statics of hardcore friends who only login to grind out a few levels. No grand adventures no stories just grind.
To be clear... I want all classes to be able to solo. I do not want solo to be killed. I do not want solo to be better than grouping with all things considered. I want solo to be much less than grouping but solo should be an option. Just a much less profitable option. If it is not, then you just have a solo game and what is the point of having servers? Just make it an offfline game that will never sell.
@THEGAMEIS Even greatly reduced up for solo is bad. It will just lead to more people boxxing accounts and running macros solo. I already see far to much of it. Solo shouldn't be more xp than grouping the two should be equal outside of "raid" content which should require a balanced group. And in that "raid " both loot and xp should be vastly better.
@@louhodo5761 We will have to disagree. Solo play kills group MMOs. Turns them into single player games with boxers. If p1999's success didnt validate that, nothing will.
@THEGAMEIS and how many players are in p1999? 900-1500? Successful is a bit of a stretch. Again I am not saying that solo should be better than group. But they should be on par with each other. Or at least close. That 10% stuff you were saying would kill the game faster than the NGE did to SWG.
I think it's worth it. EQ, I love it. Unfortunately, it's pretty much become pay to win.. no one wants to team up unless you're in top tier gear, guild, and pretty much max level. I hate the fact you can buy level 75 or 100 level toons. I am old school you can sit there in level 20 to 80 for days no grouping. I am hopeful it's out before 2 years. I feel that unless a major bug or exploits are found it should release in 2026. I tried monsters and memories it's horrible not for my liking.
It' still in development / early access, dunno why some people want to buy a game that's still in development and this is a Mmorpg. Imagine paying to be a alpha tester for a mmorpg, i remember back in the day we had to fill in forms to get a chance to be a alpha/beta tester. I'll wait till the game goes beta before I will consider purchasing the game to test it out.
Also... I'm sad that Brad passed away during development of Pantheon. Imagine how much the game could progress if Brad is still alive because the dungeon development footage they showed back in 2015/2016 was awesome. Seemed like a lot of progress was done. This is my speculation, I think the current team changed the engine because one of the main person who knows or developed the engine retired or left the company and they didn't know how to develop it further.
This is a valid point. That is one reason why I wanted to make this video. Want everyone to know what is true so they can make the choice best for them.
Lets be real, by the time this is in true beta, the demographic for this game will have all passed. I wanted to like it but it just isn't anywhere near alpha but was a bit of eq type fun for the short time I played, but couldn't deal with the place holder bought icons, candy crush style sounds, ect. for the crazy 10 years this took to get here. If this changes down the road, I would consider playing it.
The game is in a very poor state right now for 10+ years of development. $40 is not free to play. This game will linger in EA status for at least the next 4-5 years if it ever gets released. The money made off this steam release cannot pay the developers for even a year
To add, you said “it’s just come out of alpha”. No it hasn’t, it’s still in a pre-alpha state. There are two whole classes missing, quests are worthless, mastery turned off, itemization all over the place. I went to walk into the main city and it’s just an invisible wall at the bridge.
Yeah, I feel the similarly. I really like the combat but there's a severe lack of content. There are no meaningful quests, the ones they do have give a pitiful amount of xp and aren't worth bothering with. The whole get a group and stand in the same spot and grind mobs for 2 hours just doesn't appeal to me, maybe it's because WoW was my intro to MMOs (I'm not against grouping, its the spot farming that's a snoozefest). Also seems crazy they haven't updated the character creation, like I have 4 hair cuts, 1 face and 1 hair colour to choose from on my Dwarf?? Surely it's not that hard to add? Anyway I am still hopeful they can get it where it needs to be, they have a solid base game so adding content should be easier at this point. We'll wait and see.
TlDR: game works, all systems funcion, but need polish( a lot), ...but all art, assets, Ui, animations feel like placeholders, terrible to look at, world also looks unfinished, will probably take years. 10 years in development. probably they switched to UNITY not long ago. cant recommend at current state. Game is carried by community atm. a lot of nice people.
Game needs a power hour. Lvln is way to slow. If you have a family,job, and you're not able to spend your majority of time on a PC, you'll spend eternity on 3ach lvls. Especially after you reach lvl 10. Speed up the lvlning process and add more mob camps and this is a good game!
You have no idea about mmos if you think grouping should be the only way to lvl properly, mmos arent all about playing with others, not everyone is extroverted with a huge social battery
Yeah, old games used to be about grouping, so the old school gamers think that it is the only way. And then they wonder why WoW became so popular! Like, he complains WoW was solo...but you can always do things in groups, especially in WoW classic. After a certain level, grouping is almost compulsory to progress quicker and better even in WoW Classic.
No, group locking should be just accessing group content like raids, and dungeons. I think it shouldn't be compulsory to force people into grouping for linear leveling of a character. Not everyone will have the time to socialise.
I just dont see a future here, it's a very small team. They are trying to create an MMO, that peaked at 6,000 players. The game requires people to play efficiently. People will move on, as the game will not publish content fast enough, player base will get lower and lower, harder and harder to find a group. Then it will turn into a cascading effect, clip it and check back in 6 months and everyone will see I'm right on this. I hope the best for them, but they have a really hard road ahead.
You could be correct with this prediction... If you are, to me, all the more reason to suck the marrow from the bones now! With its recent success after so long I do not see them stopping just when they have momentum. Only time can tell.
I feel like this is valid. 2 hours is not enough time to know if you want to play or not. One of the reason I made this video. I wanted everyone to have the correct expectation going in.
"should take you 10x the time to lvl solo vs group" wtf lol. Problem with group focus games is people do min/man when putting groups together and only want to best classes in their groups. Some will take a lower end class but only if they cant find a meta class. So no, that 10x longer is pure shit lol.
not to mention everyone playing right now is wasting their time as they will server wipe your characters, so if you have the time to be a non payed alpha tester, enjoy cheers!
Wipe, when? 6 months? 1 year? 2 years? I play on the TLP servers every year. This has the most permanence than WoW Classic or EQ or any MMO I am interested in even with an inevitable wipe at some point. I guess it really is about ones personal perspective.
Horrible idea cutting the solo xp to next to nothing. You already get no money and no loot doing it. Why punish it more? 20+ groups are almost all static too. And RIP Brad
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RIP Brad. I've been a Brad fan since the early 90's. I played the same MUD as him, Sojourn (later named Toril Mud) and followed him straight into EQ launch. I was there for the launch of EQ, Vanguard and now Pantheon. Having an absolute blast. Great video! Thanks for all that you do.
McQuaid and Garriott are the Godfathers of the MMORPG.
4:05 Exactly. Look, if I was able to scrape up $50 for an EQ box and hustle my way to $10/m (paying my parents) at age 13, there should be NO question that an MMORPG that's always online and always needs updates absolutely requires a subscription fee - it's literally not even a question.
No F2P. No cosmetic shop. No cash shop. A simple sub fee with the option to buy a merch box (aka optional box price for those that want to further support the Devs).
Afterall, people pay $22/m Netflix to watch a movie once a month.
Why? Every other live service game type doesn’t have one. It’s archaic.
@kingboy280 Paying developers a living wage is archaic? Please explain, do you go to work for free or do you get a paycheck? If you can suggest a way to continuously employ devs to maintain an MMORPG, I'd love to hear it. Also, this is not a "live service" game like COD and games like COD would not exist without cash shops.
And again, almost everything you own is on a subscription model: Spotify, Amazon Prime, Twitch, Netflix, Hulu, OnStar, Xbox Game Pass, GeForce Now, even Tesla requires a monthly subscription fee to drive their car.
at the current state of the game, the players are the ones who should be paid monthly bruv
November 18th, 2019, is the day Brad passed away at the age of 50. Imagine being 25 or 26 and making this incredible game.
Solid video. Thanks for the shout out!
And yeah, I watched it to the end. RIP Brad.
Hey! love your channel. Big fan! Thanks for commenting.
Rest in peace Brad
RIP Brad. The world changed for the better in 1999 when Everquest released and I have been playing these games ever since...
Rest in peace Brad. BTW yes I made it to the end, and I really appreciated the history about the game in the 2nd half. Thank you! Keep doing great work
I will wait for full release. It looks good but definitely rough.
Rest in peace, Brad - thank you for giving me the best years of my childhood 🙂
Ever since I saw Shadow of The Colossus in 2005 I've been a huge fan of detailed, high quality animations. With variety in motions and natural character interactions with the environment. I don't care what graphics look like, and even sort of prefer that mid 2000's look. I always thought the high quality animations of games like sotc were going to be the future of video games and I've largely be disappointed in every game released for the past 20 years. Guild Wars 2 having the highest standard of animation I've seen so far.
What I'm saying is. I love mmos, but this game killed all my interest by putting such basic and repetitive animations for every action.
those are the classic EQ animations, how dare you call them basic and repetitive? they are 1999 vintage animations, they have matured like a fine wine, pearls to swine, i swear...
Pantheon is good, but as an OG EQ player, Im predicting M&M will wipe the floor with it. Monsters and Memories just has that FEEL. Cant explain it.
Beyond excited for M&M, playing one of the weekend tests was some of the most fun i've ever had in an mmo period
@@redeadslaya Yep, I played a few weekends already as well. It just has a better feel IMO. I do like Pantheon though, but Jan 2026 early access M&M is what Im really waiting for :D Evercraft is pretty dope as well too I gotta say.
Rest in peace brad. Let's keep the legendary Aradune alive in our hearts and the world of Terminus.
For someone who beta tested EQ in the 90s I`m really enjoying this game. Love the mechanics of it. Yes, needs polish but like their direction.
If you want a group Face Game you need to focus on group mechanics it doesn't matter if you get rid of exp all together. There needs to be reasons to communicate and exp grinding barely qualifies as a social activity. Vanguard and Everquest 2 had some good dungeons where you had to communicate because you had to keep moving unless you wanted to waste your time
Hey man, nice video and story with Aradune. I might give this game a try. I Played Sojourn/Toril MUD back in the early 90s. Aradune (half elf Ranger as I recalled) was playing a couple years before me but we ended up in the same guild (Crimson Sigil). As the MUD was wiping to start from scratch in the late 90s (1998-1999 I think), by then most people quit the game. I remember Aradune was telling us he was going to make a graphical version of this Sojourn/Toril Mud and named it Everquest. Unfortunately I never tried it. Decided to do real life stuff for a few years, then ended up in WoW instead.
Heya! I played Sojourn/Toril as well! From the early 90's straight into EQ launch. I wasn't in CS but I sure did love seeing you all running around, slaying Tiamat and hanging out at 3 West. I still do a "snoopy like dance of joy" irl sometimes ;)
I bet that is where he got the name for his first game company from. Sigil Games Online.
This guy was wondering the same thing 22 years ago.
www.torilmud.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1159
Up to 24 solo is much faster than grouping. Grouping needs more rewards via exp. Jabba wants you to be able to solo and get good experience. I'm all for grouping, but with systems as is, there's been days where I sat for 12 hours w/o a group. I can solo from 1-12 in about 6 hours. Went from start of 18 to 20 in about 6 hours solo. Grouping needs a boost to exp. Wait time, travel, Deaths, ect make Grouping rough. Needs level sync - mentoring before we can talk about nerfing solo.
Bank stacking is a bandaid till they figure out how to fix a dupe issue.
Agree
the game is already one of the most playable MMO experiences since late WotLK... up to level 25.
great things about the game:
1) group gameplay is insanely fun
2) the whole deck builder part of the game is fantastic... takes.a bit to realize that the intent is to have you carefully pick the skills you bring to content, or to a group
3) the world as we have it so far is fantastic
4) travel is enjoyable... at least for the first 200 hours. Idk. might become annoying.
bad things about the game:
1) not much implemented yet past 25... this includes skill sets and content
2) level requirements are tight and brutal. xp drops off hard when things are lower level than you, but you basically can't do a thing to mobs 3+ levels above you. this means groups need to be within a couple levels of eachother.
3) lots of terrain bugs in less-completed zones. fair. but also getting stuck in halnirs is kind of cringe
4) UI stuff needs improvement. ability to find mobs in a group is rough. ability to see what you've targeted is rough. there need to be vision solutions for dualwielders ect. i'm sure these things are coming.
the game has been insanely fun. there hasn't been a more enjoyable MMO "release" since WotLK. it has great potential if the developers take their work seriously it will be great.
Good points.
brad is gone.. but not forgotten
this man said "easy to solo"...yeah he not playing rogue or war
You are correct sir, I have not...but I bet I can level them to 7 and hit group content (skells) in about 4 hours with either of them the same as any other class.
Rip Brad!
Huge respect to the team! Go Pantheon!
Great video! RIP Brad.
Hopefully they have a memorial to brad in the game or some easter egg. Maybe his green ranger as an npc
Cool video thanks. Rip Brad
rest in peace, Brad
6,100x$40= $240,000 a nice shot in the arm. Won’t get them to done, but it helps.
That will definitely help them continue development!
They actually said a week ago they have over 40,000 copies sold. It's probably over 50,000 now.
It doesn't have to take 10 times as long to lvl solo. There are alot of times when u cannot find a group at late hours and if its gonna take 10x longer to lvl that will force ppl to log off instead of keep playing and that AWEFUL for a game.
5 times?
I agree, will shrivel what is left of this carcass of a game
@@THEGAMEIS No, leveling should not be less xp for solo, you just make more compelling and rewarding group experiences. So, when people can, they join those because it is more beneficial for them, but day to day quick log in people should be able to solo...like, adults have lives, right?!
Solo exp is faster than group xp as it stands right now for most classes
@@THEGAMEIS You’re cool bro but that is a horrible idea if you want the players to stay. Game won’t last at all if solo isn’t viable. 10x is crazy!!
Rip Brad o7. Nice vid.
RIP Brad. ✝
As soon as the movement is tuned I’m hopping in. Right now it just feels to floaty and scuffed. More like Project Gorgon than an MVP moving to launch. I do worry these MMOs are dragging things out on purpose because the dev stretch is more profitable. I don’t wanna feel that way but smaller teams released the first MMOs years faster with waaaayyy less technology. Some of these just don’t make sense but I’ve decided to be more optimistic.
RIP Brad 💚
Loved vanguard...i left EQ2 for Vanguard for the reasons you stated...it was true Everquest 2
Had a multi hour break, but rip brad
Looks fun. Think I'll wait till the other side of wipes to play.
or at least wait till the game goes beta.
Rip. So bummed to learn Brad died
I think there are very limited things that can be done in the game now....
Very true.. I wish I would have covered that a little more in this video. This is very true.
rip brad
Nice man Embers Adrift was secretly a really sick game, any game where the tanks spit piss to get more agro is great in my book. Sad the population tanked so hard last year. They completely shot themselves in the foot with the no magic thing though, it turned everyone away who I tried getting into the game.
Rip Brad McQueen
how hard is it to get a pug for a dungeon? like 20-30 minutes or and hour or two? or very difficult?
depends how much you spam LFG. there is no auto dungeon group system like WoW. you need to make the group yourself.
From my experience. To get a group takes 0 minutes to 20 minutes on avg. Every time I start to do anything and im flagged LFG I get called it. There had been some longer stretches I wait LFG if Im not active about it. It feels like 3-9 are active then lvl 9-12 are pretty rough then everyone gets into the manor at 12+ and goes from there.
R.I.P. Brad
Rip Brad. :(
Rest in peace Brad.
does this have Asia/SEA server?
Yes it does.
The game is good for what it is. Its relaxing and slow. kinda drives socal interactions. It is rough around the edges. Iove it though. They did do an update on a Saturday night which was weird but they said 15 20 minutes and it was so that's a good sign. Item stacks for me but had to do it myself
Rip Brad.
RIP Brad
RIP Brad!
Rest in peace Brad!
Honestly I want to try the game, but that price tag for what it looks like is a hard sell. I need a way to play it to try it and see how it feels. Freemium seems like a good option having a "free" option to act as a demo before locking it off to have a subscription model past that point would be a decent idea for the game.
Cheap ass
I think a 5-10 hour demo would be a great idea! Not sure how to implement that so it doesnt mess up the servers. Maybe have a demo server. Then when you buy the game you can have access to the other servers.
the design did change because they wanted to get the game out there. and with the more realistic design it would be too expensive. it was a hard decision but the right one tbh.
great team great game great community. especially the community is just awesome. every game has an insane amount of toxicity and trolls. not this one.
Appreciate the input on the redesign
Can someone fill me in with all the "RIP Brad" comments?
We miss Brad.
Brad was the lead developer of EverQuest. He wanted to make a spiritual successor to that game which is pantheon. He died half way through production.
Brad McQuaid to be more specific.
Lead dev of the original EQ...this was supposed to be his next big thing but he died.
Rip Brad 🫡
Solo vs Group. If you kill solo play and go with your suggestion, you end up with a bunch of single players with multi-box accounts, or statics of hardcore friends who only login to grind out a few levels. No grand adventures no stories just grind.
To be clear... I want all classes to be able to solo. I do not want solo to be killed. I do not want solo to be better than grouping with all things considered. I want solo to be much less than grouping but solo should be an option. Just a much less profitable option. If it is not, then you just have a solo game and what is the point of having servers? Just make it an offfline game that will never sell.
@THEGAMEIS Even greatly reduced up for solo is bad. It will just lead to more people boxxing accounts and running macros solo. I already see far to much of it.
Solo shouldn't be more xp than grouping the two should be equal outside of "raid" content which should require a balanced group. And in that "raid " both loot and xp should be vastly better.
@@louhodo5761 We will have to disagree. Solo play kills group MMOs. Turns them into single player games with boxers. If p1999's success didnt validate that, nothing will.
@THEGAMEIS and how many players are in p1999? 900-1500? Successful is a bit of a stretch.
Again I am not saying that solo should be better than group. But they should be on par with each other. Or at least close. That 10% stuff you were saying would kill the game faster than the NGE did to SWG.
Rip brad.
Good info cheers
Rip Brad
Long live Brad
I think I’ll just play Lotro instead.
Rip brad
I think it's worth it. EQ, I love it. Unfortunately, it's pretty much become pay to win.. no one wants to team up unless you're in top tier gear, guild, and pretty much max level. I hate the fact you can buy level 75 or 100 level toons. I am old school you can sit there in level 20 to 80 for days no grouping.
I am hopeful it's out before 2 years. I feel that unless a major bug or exploits are found it should release in 2026.
I tried monsters and memories it's horrible not for my liking.
Try Evercraft Online next time they have a play test! EQ, I dont play live. Only the TLP's every year.
It' still in development / early access, dunno why some people want to buy a game that's still in development and this is a Mmorpg. Imagine paying to be a alpha tester for a mmorpg, i remember back in the day we had to fill in forms to get a chance to be a alpha/beta tester.
I'll wait till the game goes beta before I will consider purchasing the game to test it out.
Also... I'm sad that Brad passed away during development of Pantheon. Imagine how much the game could progress if Brad is still alive because the dungeon development footage they showed back in 2015/2016 was awesome. Seemed like a lot of progress was done.
This is my speculation, I think the current team changed the engine because one of the main person who knows or developed the engine retired or left the company and they didn't know how to develop it further.
This is a valid point. That is one reason why I wanted to make this video. Want everyone to know what is true so they can make the choice best for them.
I absolutely love this game.
Lets be real, by the time this is in true beta, the demographic for this game will have all passed. I wanted to like it but it just isn't anywhere near alpha but was a bit of eq type fun for the short time I played, but couldn't deal with the place holder bought icons, candy crush style sounds, ect. for the crazy 10 years this took to get here. If this changes down the road, I would consider playing it.
Yeah it's a game exclusively to milk boomers out of their retirement money lol out of nostalgia for the past
This is fair. Completely understandable point of view.
The game is in a very poor state right now for 10+ years of development. $40 is not free to play. This game will linger in EA status for at least the next 4-5 years if it ever gets released. The money made off this steam release cannot pay the developers for even a year
To add, you said “it’s just come out of alpha”. No it hasn’t, it’s still in a pre-alpha state. There are two whole classes missing, quests are worthless, mastery turned off, itemization all over the place. I went to walk into the main city and it’s just an invisible wall at the bridge.
after following this for 10 years and playing this , I agree
Yeah, I feel the similarly. I really like the combat but there's a severe lack of content. There are no meaningful quests, the ones they do have give a pitiful amount of xp and aren't worth bothering with. The whole get a group and stand in the same spot and grind mobs for 2 hours just doesn't appeal to me, maybe it's because WoW was my intro to MMOs (I'm not against grouping, its the spot farming that's a snoozefest). Also seems crazy they haven't updated the character creation, like I have 4 hair cuts, 1 face and 1 hair colour to choose from on my Dwarf?? Surely it's not that hard to add? Anyway I am still hopeful they can get it where it needs to be, they have a solid base game so adding content should be easier at this point. We'll wait and see.
I said Free to play. I meant Buy to Play... I was mostly talking about if it would become a sub model or not. You concern is real and shared.
all true! Even with all that people are still having a blast.
TlDR: game works, all systems funcion, but need polish( a lot), ...but all art, assets, Ui, animations feel like placeholders, terrible to look at, world also looks unfinished, will probably take years. 10 years in development. probably they switched to UNITY not long ago. cant recommend at current state. Game is carried by community atm. a lot of nice people.
fair critique. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Game needs a power hour. Lvln is way to slow. If you have a family,job, and you're not able to spend your majority of time on a PC, you'll spend eternity on 3ach lvls. Especially after you reach lvl 10. Speed up the lvlning process and add more mob camps and this is a good game!
keep in mind, there isn't much high end content atm. You don't want to go too fast!
You have no idea about mmos if you think grouping should be the only way to lvl properly, mmos arent all about playing with others, not everyone is extroverted with a huge social battery
Yeah, old games used to be about grouping, so the old school gamers think that it is the only way. And then they wonder why WoW became so popular! Like, he complains WoW was solo...but you can always do things in groups, especially in WoW classic. After a certain level, grouping is almost compulsory to progress quicker and better even in WoW Classic.
No, group locking should be just accessing group content like raids, and dungeons. I think it shouldn't be compulsory to force people into grouping for linear leveling of a character. Not everyone will have the time to socialise.
Still a trash game... no its not worth it
It is not for everyone. Im sure we can all agree to that.
I just dont see a future here, it's a very small team. They are trying to create an MMO, that peaked at 6,000 players. The game requires people to play efficiently. People will move on, as the game will not publish content fast enough, player base will get lower and lower, harder and harder to find a group. Then it will turn into a cascading effect, clip it and check back in 6 months and everyone will see I'm right on this.
I hope the best for them, but they have a really hard road ahead.
You could be correct with this prediction... If you are, to me, all the more reason to suck the marrow from the bones now!
With its recent success after so long I do not see them stopping just when they have momentum.
Only time can tell.
It’s a trash game. Wish I could get my money back
I feel like this is valid. 2 hours is not enough time to know if you want to play or not. One of the reason I made this video. I wanted everyone to have the correct expectation going in.
"should take you 10x the time to lvl solo vs group" wtf lol. Problem with group focus games is people do min/man when putting groups together and only want to best classes in their groups. Some will take a lower end class but only if they cant find a meta class. So no, that 10x longer is pure shit lol.
so far all the classes are pretty balanced for group. Not perfect but I do not feel like any are being left out.
guys, brad died 5 years ago, why are you reacting to it like it s breaking news???
maybe these guys never kept up with Pantheon's development. Most of them are boomers anyways, this might even be their fist time hearing of this game.
True... many people in many different stages in their lives with many different perspectives on things.
He is still missed. We still love his vision and what he created and was trying to create.
This game isn't good.
not to mention everyone playing right now is wasting their time as they will server wipe your characters, so if you have the time to be a non payed alpha tester, enjoy cheers!
Wipe, when? 6 months? 1 year? 2 years? I play on the TLP servers every year. This has the most permanence than WoW Classic or EQ or any MMO I am interested in even with an inevitable wipe at some point. I guess it really is about ones personal perspective.
Rip Brad. Also rip ashes of creation
Horrible idea cutting the solo xp to next to nothing. You already get no money and no loot doing it. Why punish it more? 20+ groups are almost all static too. And RIP Brad
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