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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- A look at how the new Makita XPS bits compare to the Milwaukee Shockwave and Dewalt MaxImpact drill bits. I put these bits through a series of three tests to see which brand has the best bits!
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They didn't tell a small UA-camr to go jump they TOLD a CANADIAN to go jump.
I'm Australian and the entire western world knows Canadians are polite. If you want to make a point to an American I recommend what Craig Ferguson said. -> ua-cam.com/video/1ZEbRgMr4vw/v-deo.html Send Makita a photo of yourself wearing a Canadian jersey with a hockey stick in one hand and the following sign in the other. -> "Sorry Makita, you may have misunderstood can I please have some bits to test."
Makita bit fits those drywall screws so well, when removing the screws, sometimes it is very difficult to get the screws off the bit.
Makita XPS #2 Phillips holds wood screws and Sheetrock screws no contest
I'm a milwaukee fanboy, but the Makita XPS bits are pretty impressive. Been using them a while
yes but they are more expensive. Also, I don't want a kit with bits that will never use but a pack of ph2
@@eng3d every kit will come with bits you'll never use. Idk what to tell you
Not really
Great test. So I got a couple of these Makita XPS in T30. I had no idea how they would perform but had to get them to use on some Spax screws for some I was putting up. I could not believe how beautifully they fit and how durable they are. I was using them with a new Ryobi brushless impact driving them in to some old, hard wood and the worked perfectly. Thanks for the review!
Yah what ever they are using for those bits is incredibly durable
Respect for drilling all those screws!
lol I was regretting that decision half way through!
I’ve seen other “carpentry” videos and I must say that you are the best! Top notch sound, video and editing. The content is entertaining and informative. Just getting back into woodworking after over a 31yr break. Thanks for showing me what’s out there nowadays. Love your comparison and how to videos!
Cool test! Project farm did a pretty good one on these. Was hoping a fellow Canuck would test Robertson’s instead of Philips.
Project Farm is pretty good stuff! I thought the Philips would make for better testing as it would strip out a lot quicker. The Roby bits are nice they fit pretty well not the best fitting bits I’ve used but I imagine they will last a long time.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to do this. It's nice to have a head-to-head comparison by a disinterested but reasonably knowledgeable user.
Two years ago I bought a Makita drill/driver combo, and I like them a lot.
Reasonably knowledgeable might be a stretch:) thanks for checking the channel.
A point people miss and often do not realize is there is more than one cross recessed, cruciform screw. It's often assumed they're Phillips and it has become a generic term. Others have developed and become popular in other places on the planet. Popular are the JIS B 1012, Frearson, and Pozidriv which appear very much like the Phillips. There's others, French NFL and some random no-spec custom cruciform screws made simply to fit however it can in a given screw head. There's also the Phillips 2 offering better cam-out performance. (Some pure Chinesium cabinet knobs use non-standard undefined or rare screws)
A patent revision for Phillips lists intentional cam-out as a feature, yes the screw drive is designed to slip. It's why manufacturers continue to use it for drywall screws while many other types are available in better drives. If you look closely a proper Phillips screw has rounded corners at the cross. The slot angle and depth are such that you need the proper size driver, PH#1 or #2 and so on. The Frearson has sharp corners and is cut to allow a range of driver size to turn the screw well. The Phillips-square combination drive is convenient but performs worse for both than their non-combination counterpart.
Square or Robertson, star or Torx, hex socket or Allen, make all this moot but you need the exact size drive. Done properly you need the exact size for Phillips. Single slots are still ideal for applying torque and for use with a range of driver sizes. But of course they're difficult to use with power drivers without a guide which can't be used effectively on flat head counter-sunk screws. Similarly there are Line drive screws from Japan that resemble Torx. Allen, owned by Apex Tool Group, owned by Bain Capital, is to my knowledge no longer being marketed, you can't buy new Allen brand "Allen" wrenches. (You also cannot buy a ShopVac band "shop vac", they went out of business in Spetember 2020)
Great info thanks Eric!
I have been amazed at the Wera bits and will always pick these first.
Ive tested the Wera Robertson bits and they don’t fit in #8 screws worth a dang. It’s a shame because they could be amazing if the fit was there!
I just found this video. This was a good comparison! I'm not surprised by the Makita performance. They make good products that are worth the money. I've found that the 'yellow' brand isn't, and probably because they're just Black & Decker with different color/casing/packaging (meaning, same manufacturer). Also, and personally, I've given up on Phillips head screws unless I'm forced to. I wish the Robertson square was more common down here in the U.S., so I gravitate to the torx format.
Thanks for taking the time testing! We appreciate it.
Thanks for checking it out!
Thank you for providing such a simple, clear, and cut to the chase review/tests of each brand bits. Exactly what I was looking for.!
Great comparison. Here we are in November 2030 (three months after you posted) and the Amazon price is now $85.00, a 25% hike over what they charged you. Even so, I learned a ton. Actually, a tonne. Thank you!
Thanks for checking out the channel Brian!
Brian...How's things in the future? Did we ever get back to "normal"?
One last thing...any good stock tips from 2030?
Whatever Phillips bit you use, take a moment to remove the point. I touch it to my belt sander for only a second. It will set into a drywall screw better
Rick Shevitt thanks for the tip Rick. I will definitely try that!
Rick Shevitt: Great suggestion.
I will try that.
Thanks for the tip 👍
Here in NZ most of us use Irwin bits.
Personally I never purchase bit sets, and I don't go for the high end bits either, because all bits are consumables and I don't see the point in spending big money on them.
Also I'm not a fan of Makita bits, not because of quality, but design. I almost exclusively use those longer (3 inch?) bits with the thin shaft on them that various manufacturers call creative names. That thin shaft actually makes a difference to bit life and is less likely to damage screws, because it absorbs the initial sharp shock of the impact. It's not just marketing, it genuinely makes a difference. I do not use bit holders, they are a pain in the butt.
I keep it simple, I buy bulk packs of the bits I use a lot like No.2 Phillips, No.2 square drive, and 5mm hex, and I keep a stash of oddball bit types I hardly ever use like No.1 Phillips, No.1 square, Pozi, as well as various Torx (Torx is only just starting to get traction here) I only need 1 or two of each of the oddball bits because they last years as long as I don't lose them, but the Philips and square drive bits are constantly being replaced, I've probably bought 100 of them in the last 2 years. Essentially I have one category of bits I treat as disposable, and another that are treasured tools that I hide away for when I need them.
Don't buy the bit sets unless you are starting from scratch with no bits imo. It's pointless paying money for bits you don't use, just to get maybe a handful of bits you will wear out in days or weeks. Much better just to buy the bits you need, when you need them.
I've basically given up buying drill bit sets too, because some jobs wreck a couple of brand new drill bits in a day, while some sizes will never get used no matter how long I own them. As a consequence I often purchase drill bits for a specific job, and have a massive stash of random drill bits I bring out when I need one unexpectedly.
Sets are a great way to trick you into buying stuff you don't need.
A bit pack is great if your starting a new toolbox with a impact driver. I use many different bits for my job and usually in really high torque scenerios, all bits get worn down fast but the difference makita has in lifespan and the time you save from not caming out makes it worth the price tag for me.
@@Victor-vj5ds Yes the new silver Makita XPS bits are great, but I can't get them in anything but an expensive but set here. Irwin and Bosch are the only brands really giving us tradies what we want which is bits in packs of 5 or 10 with different lengths to choose from. Bit life is a non issue for me, because no matter how good the bit is, it's getting destroyed in short order. That's why my mate orders 100 packs of multi tool blades off Ali Express too. They are trash, but paying 40 to 60 dollars for a blade that's going to be burnt on one little job is not fun.
Thanks for doing the comparison testing. I thought it odd at first to use Philip's head screws figure they're most likely to cam-out and be inconsistent quality so represent almost the worst-case most likely to show quality differences in the bits more quickly?
For impact driver use I've found Wiha and Gedore impact bits to be more durable than Wera, which in turn outlasts the 'power tool' brands I've tried such as Bosch and Dewalt etc.
For drill-driver use I've found PB Swiss and Felo to be excellent investments.
I use Torx Head screws whereever possible because they virtually never cam-out, and find quality fixings combined with quality bits to be worth it - fewer issues - easier to concentrate on the outcome rather than the process when what you're working with gives you consistency and confidence.
Indeed, philips head screws are only a slight upgrade over the antique slot head. I'll check out the bits you mentioned they sound promising! Thanks for checking out the channel.
Its pretty easy to see when people who use these thing hard everyday compare the 3 brands Makita wins. Makita makes a harder gold bit and a softer black bit also fwiw. The silver XPS bits seem to be their best for me tho.
I’ve been kicking around buying a set or 2 to have in the truck and the shop...looks like I’ll be getting Makita if I can finally talk myself into spending money!
It is nice to have a whole set all together, mine always seem to disappear!
Just bought the 35 piece set on sale and I got to say the case itself is nice.
People always talk about Milwaukee drills but makita is awsome. Remember they were the first cordless.
Great test. Enjoyed the presentation. Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks uncle G!
I have mostly milwaukee tools but their bits were really bad. Most snapped off driving more than 3 screws into my deck although their impact sockets and bit holders were great. Switched to DeWalt bits, it doesn't do that, lasted a lot longer.
Huge effort, thanks for sharing, it seems XPS is the top shelf currently.
Liked and commented.
Sometimes the very tip of the bit bottoms out before the bit gets completely seated into the screw head on some screws not all screws. So I grind the very tip of the driver bit and it works for me.
Nicely done man! I hope you're able to keep putting vids out. 👍From Winnipeg
The slower camera moves were much less distracting. We also need to run. Nice video. Also, why no Amazon links or some link to the product?
Thanks. Still looking for a decent link for the bits in Canada, and still working on a us link. I could run early(5:30-6ish)next week if you’re into it?
Have Milwaukee, dewalt, and XPS. In order of best tow worst; Makita, Milwaukee, DeWalt. Makitas are on a god like level, Milwaukee’s are very disposable, cheap and plentiful. DeWalt isn’t worth shit imo, I went through an average of 4 per day doing metal stud framing. The Makitas have an incredibly tight fit, makes overhead work great if you only have one free hand.
Agree 100%.
Just the video I needed, keep up the good work!
Glad to hear it!
Makita gold bits are my favorite. My cabinet shop buddy swears bye them. And they do last longer than the Milwaukee when they do fail the just snap off. Especially when using Tapcons when they bottom out its over they just shear off clean. Id rather use an old Makita then a new Milwaukee Thanks for putting all those screws in and now id take em out for $7 a pound. I keep most screws I remove anymore.
Thanks for checking out the vid Stephen! I keep that board with all the screws on display in the garage:)
@@TheFunnyCarpenter i just bought a 50 pack of Makitas on Amazon not the gold but guys left great reviews for them. Its hard to find the Gold ones in large packs.
I'm a huge fan of the Makita XPS bits. The only ones I use
I go with Wera and Wiha. Wera i use every day heavy duty no problem
I'm glad it was you doing this test,
lol -I didn't really think that one through:). That was tough! Funny enough in my latest video I did something similar that involved using a multi tool for like an hour straight:(
Fairness. Screw designs are not all nearly the same. Fit is per screw not Bit... 1 bit for 1000 screws vs opposite. It is always a fitting match.
I have yet to try Makita bits.. But I know for consumables I'm kinda iffy on my Milwaukee bits (love the tools and their recip blades are great but their screwdriver bits have felt iffy half the time) and Dewalt stuff. I'll have to grab a package of Makita ones next time I need some
Sucks so much stuff is phillips
I like your style, hope your channel grows 🤙
Thanks a lot
Thumbs up for the creative work. I have to say though, if you started by saying the DeWalt is the best fit for cabinet screws and Makita for drywall screws, but then perform the tests on drywall screws, it only follows the Makita comes out in top. If you tested on cabinet screws, likely the DeWalt would have come out on top. So, interesting, but certainly many holes in the testing that proves inconclusive overall. Thanks though, I was interested and had fun watching.
Essentially the Makita Bits are harder steel so they will last longer in almost all circumstances- In my opinion. Thanks for checking out the channel:)
I broke the T15 in the Makita set first time I used it with my Milwaukee M12 Fuel 1/4 hex impact. I'm an appliance tech and I was putting a dishwasher door back together, had the drill on the sheet metal setting and was very cautious not to over tighten but on the fourth fastener the bit tip broke on the first impact of the fastener. Hopefully it's not a sign of things to come for me and this bit set 🤷♂️
Interesting 🤨looks like you got one of them counterfit Makita’s in that case…
I found the dewalt t20 Torx bits to be brittle and broke off when rotating my planer blades.
Had this issue with makita as well which bummed me out because I heard good things out the set
I have no experience with Makita bits but I'd stick to IVY acr bits ahead of any of these.
I prefer Makita Gold but theyre becoming hard to find..
Recently got a xps and compared to the gold I have to agree with you and as well hard to find
The only problem I have the the Makita bits is they suck with the plastic screw in wall anchors. They strip them out
As an aside, driving with an impact driver will greatly reduce cam-out, especially when driving Tapcon screws. I like Milwaukee tools, but their driver bits are pretty horrible. Both the Phillips and Robertson bits don't fit screws well (multiple brands) and they wear quickly.
I've used the dewalt and milwaukee bits quite and bit. I've broken a lot of the dewalt bits and worn out several of the milwaukee bits. I've also lightly used the makita bits and also found them to be much better fitting and longer lasting. I'd be interested to see your results of the cam out test with the short makita bit used in the bit holder just like the dewalt and milwaukee. Great video
Have you tried the Irwin bits? Here in NZ they are the most commonly used bits because they are cheap and very available, with really no particular issues. I actually prefer them to Makita bits, because I dislike the design of most Makita bits, as I am completely sold on the narrow shank thing that most of the other manufacturers are doing now.
I like the Bosch bits too, which are about the same price, as they are very precise, similar price to Irwin and have all the designs I like, but they are not as available locally.
I've never used Dewalt bits, because as a professional I refuse to buy bit sets, which is the only way they are available, same as Milwaukee here. I did get given some Milwaukee Shockwave bits and they were decent, but to be honest they are nothing special. I am starting to wonder if most bits are made in the same factory. The only ones that seem very different to the rest are Bosch and Makita, which figures, since they are independently owned unlike the others which are all TTI or Stanley Black and Decker.
The real question is if there is really any difference between different brands owned by the same parent company. I am pretty convinced that Irwin and Dewalt bits are the same apart from price and branding.
Regardless, I think the heavily marketed premium bits are a joke, they are consumables, and I won't pay top dollar for them, and I don't care for the hype about extreme longevity justifying the price tag. Steel is steel, no matter what special blend of 11 herbs and spices they come up with. As such the material has limitations, and they always have to balance hardness and impact resistance. The diminishing returns with impact bits is very steep, because even the cheap but decent category such as Irwin are already approaching the limit of what the material is capable of.
It's probably worth paying a premium if high precision is required, but those applications tend not to require extreme durability, and if that's what's needed I suggest TTI and Stanley Black and Decker brands as well as all of the other big tool brands are out, buy Weha, Felo or something like that. Precision is also pointless if your fasteners are all different, which they normally are.
I think one should just buy the best value bits, and that can only be determined by the individual tradesman, based on how much work they get per dollar spent. My own experience is that I don't get enough life out of the top brand bits to justify the price tag.
I usually just buy the ones that fit the nicest. I do like the fit on the XPS bits. I have not used the irwin bits, I'll give them a try. Thanks for checking out the channel.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Yeah, well I don't know a huge amount about what you do but it looks like precision is a priority, whereas I'm doing mostly insurance and reno stuff, and some jobs destroy tools and bits.
We had to replace all windows on a fibre cement weatherboard house recently, and the aluminium joinery was this horrible 80s style that had the aluminium fin behind the weatherboards, windows installed prior to cladding. We were told not to take any weatherboards off or break them (brittle as hell) and so we had to cut through fibre cement, aluminium and timber cavity batten all in one pass, and then cut the nails, (no gaps) to get the windows out. Melted down 3 grinders, wrecked my recip saw, and my mates Makita recip saw worse for wear all in one day. We deal with some horror jobs.
A S C E N D E D W H I T E M A L E ouch! You are correct I mostly do custom Kitchen installation and done finishing and woodworking type stuff. It’s precision and speed.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Yeah, it's a different world over here. You guys get to specialise, many of us need to be capable of everything, and rarely get to truly hone our skills let alone show them off. I do everything, and If I don't know what I'm doing, I have to learn as I'm doing it. Speed is obviously top priority (for the boss) but it's hard to be fast when you turn up to drop and replace some pensioners living room cealing and you can barely walk through because of the sheer volume of knick knacks, ornaments, oddball furniture, and 30 pictures on the wall, and once you do that you discover the cealing joists have 50mm variation between high and low spots. Oh and hanging cealing sheets gets interesting when you have to work around all this, and can't damage anything, especially not the ancient and irreplaceable shitty wallpaper.
I sound like I'm complaining, but I love it.
Makita XPS for the win?
Indeed
The secret to success is wait.
From my experience milwaukee is snagging more often than the rest of the bits Dewalt is running out very fast, Makita is better than most of the market bits.
Great video, thank you!
I actually prefer Bosch or Wiha after doing my own tests.
Test som torx t25 also
3:34 this is even funkier if you play it at 2X SPEED
The real question....
Did you unscrew all those screws to reuse OR throw the board out? 🤔
Thanks
Are driver bits interchangeable? i.e. Can I use Makita bits in a Milwaukee impact driver?
So what exactly is the reason the neck of the bit is skinny vs staying the same thickness through out?
I’m not really sure -if I had to guess I’d say the skinny part of impact bits allows the bit to flex or slightly rotate at that point rather than snap off the tip.
Bought a Milwaukee twist drill bit set and their drill bit accessory kit. These are the kits that come in the nice red boxes from Home Depot. Both are utter crap on par with Harbor Freight if not of slightly less quality. Very disappointed! I've had good luck with Dewalt, Makita and Vermont American. As a 'Murican, I wouldn't mind switching to Robertson's but they are hard to find down here.
the horror of using silly Phillips screws for everything! They should do an expose on why that madness continues!
Been using Wera for a while. But the last few I have had have not lasted as long and the PZ2 fit is not as good as I remember.
such great hair too. rockin.
Project farm guy did a gud battery of tests too
3:35 nice dance
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Actually the real advantage comes when you use a hard hitting impact driver. I used standard bits on these and when the screw is was in the wood my Makita impact driver hit so hard the bit lasted not a second there 😂😂😂
That's when you learn there are impact bits out there so the bits don't break like glass.
Great point!
Wait, your in Canada and you are using Phillips over Robertson's?
What about Wiha, Wera and Bosch?
the real test is with Torx bits.... Is people still using cross heads?
unfortunately yes:(
Another great review. I've noticed my dewalt bits just dont last as long. However, the assortment of bits in the dewalt kits are nice. I'd switch to Milwaukee, but the assortment isn't as nice as the dewalt. After watching your review, I'll definitely try the mikita. Thanks again!!!
They always hook you with that great selection!
KMS Tools is supposed to be carrying them
I believe the test should of been all impact bits not two apex and one impact.
Like they say: No product no sale.
A good hard apple would be a good test...
A great review.👍👍👍👍🤩
Thanks Mike:)
Wera Extra Hard bits best imo
Great review - appreciate it
Pity the XPS range is not available in the UK - grrrrrrr
If there ever is travelling again, I'll sneak you over some. Always wanted to visit the UK.
Wiha scored higher than Makita or Dewalt on the toughness of the bits. You missed it somehow.
Every screw made should be a robertson or a star bit. Phillips sucks. It amazes me we have to use phillips for everything.
The best bits I have used are either from Felo or Wera at least as far as fit, they also don't seem to chip or roll their edges. Milwaukee is OK, not as good.
90 times longer than harbor freights worst bit
😂
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lol that's just a silly song I made on my IPAD using an app called launch pad. It's a cool app I recommend checking it out.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter That's not silly at all lol. i really like it. Will be awesome if you upload it somewhere. soundcloud maybe, so i and many other ppl can listen to it.
Georgee haha I don’t know about many other people:). I’m happy to email you the song- shoot me an email at thefunnycarpenter@gmail.com
Any bits that are not China made? I don't mind paying extra...
Who does still use phillips screws and not torx?
In Canada it's mostly Robertson, but Drywall screws are Philips and any American stuff is mostly Philips as well.
I’m slowly moving away from Phillips here in Hawaii in favor of torx, but drywall screws are still Phillips so no getting around that for now. Torx are also a bit more pain in the ass as they bit sizes change depending on the screw so I have to keep several sizes on hand vs just the no2 Phillips.
When you test the fitness of the bit on the screw, you're also testing the machining precision of the screw.
This does not really give any valuable information. The result will vary if you change the screw brand, and even the production run.
Excellent point
only amazon basics
you're not funny, but i like the xps test...subbed
ohhh... my mom said I was:(
@@TheFunnyCarpenter if she said so, then you are :-) Bet she is right as she knows you longer than the few minutes i spent with you...
Shame XPS bits are not available as PZ for us europeans.
You guys use Phillips bits in canada?!?! They're terrible!
We wont hire anyone that is using Phillips screws to install cabinets. To many better options.
Yes Phillips head screws r terrible! In Canada it’s mostly all Robertson.
@@TheFunnyCarpenterIm glad you agree! For a moment i thought i was crazy. I cant stand cabinet installers using phillips its a red flag for me.
@@jasonhemann9825 Out of all the red flags, that one is probably the lease important on earth
@@lazymoviereviews9487 LoL I agree!
I purchased Milwaukee bits a year back. They are terrible.
why is there a guy talking over that phat beat!? and if the bits last 90 times longer, why sell a huge box of them...
I feel like those are cheap junk bits. I just get the Wiha and life is good.
I wish slotted and Philips were outlawed. They are so useless. With no standards in manufacturing, it's a crap shoot to find good quality screws, even for the best bits.
Apex all day
first thing you should do is throw those useless POS Phillips screws and drivers away and buy Robertson (a superior Canadian invention by the way)!!
….cause they are delusional using Phillips and not our robertsons…
Coolio
Being a cabinet gal. I totally agree!!
Project Farm disagrees, in his testing Milwaukee wins. I’ve tried both and I’ve broken a couple of the Makita bits, so far I haven’t broken a shockwave.
yikes
Hey George of the jungle, turn off that damn background music. distracting at best!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dewalt Roby is garbage in my opinion
Agree
milwaukee bits are terrible i do not understand the hype
Why do you americans stick with philips head screws, when philips is a terrible bit for impact drivers, with very little surface area in contact with the screw?
Why?
Philips head screws are terrible. In europe we mainly use pozi, with is better with 8 points of contact.
How the heck do you americans use impact drivers with philip head screws, with 4 points of contact?
Its a useless head for impact drivers, so why do you americans stick with that screw head type, when there are far better now.
In Hungary, instead of Pozidriv and Phillips, we use Torx wherever possible. For Torx bits there is not much difference between manufacturers.
Shit. OK dude. Next freedom convoy. Hop on and get to wisconsin. $20 us for the makita.