High Elves Unit Roster Tier Ranking
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- Tier list of all High Elf units recruited in Total War: Warhammer 2 excluding regiments of renown, heroes, and lords. Check out link below to post your own ranking of the High Elf roster.
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0:00 SUPER IMPORTANT
2:26 Melee Infantry
11:29 Archer Infantry
19:29 Cavalry
26:41 War Beasts
31:16 Artillery
32:06 Mistwalkers
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Hey legend! Amazing series! Could u at some point also make a faction tier list??? & for the next one im curious about the unit tier list for the vampire counts or the skaven!!
The Dawi Empire wants to be S tier everywhere. Else the Damaz Kron will hold a lot of grudges.
Great content, keep it up 👌
I think Empire could be an interesting faction for a tier list video
These are definitely fun, it's really nice to hear the motivations that you have for putting each of them where they are as well, great content, keep it up :D
I find lizardmen to be the most confusing one. Tons of seemengly random lizards
Do Beastmen now that they're not total garbage?
MORE TIERLISTS!!! TIERLISTS FOR THE TIER GOD
Tiers for the Tier Throne
YES!!!!!!
TIERS FOR THE TIER THRONE
TIER! TIER! TIER!
TIEEEEEEEEER!!
Legend: "If you're playing as the high elves you shouldn't be fighting high elves"
Me: Ok, why don't you tell that to Saphary?
He should've said "T4+ High Elves". I don't think that's even possible, unless you dilly dally with someone like Teclis or Imrik.
ColBunkMust You can avoid fighting them by using influence.
@@HH-hd7nd doesn't make much sense to waste influence on them that early in the game.
Wouldn't really call it fighting against Saphery,more butchery
Well you really shouldn't be fighting any major high elf factions is what he meant to say. High elves are friendly to one another for the most part.
Honestly - this tier list really highlights the issues with difficulty settings in a lot of games these days.
When higher difficulty = enemies becoming hard hitting sponges... It doesn't really add difficulty, it adds tedium and forces you to use immersion-breaking, gamey tactics.
When some of the most climatic, fluffy units get low scores because of that, it just shows that game throws immersion out of the window, you no longer play a fantasy empire against another fantasy empire - you play against machine that you have to outdo with cheese.
I'd argue that if you want fantasy experience and want to be fluffy, then harder difficulties are not made for you. Usually in most games hardest difficulty (legendary here) is made for absolute math nerds that basically have a min-max fetish. It's not made for players that want to enjoy (re)creating huge lore inspired fantasy battles. And easier difficulties are made for players that want a hand-held ride through the storyline without hitting walls in progression (I am one of these in RTS games).
@@petrinafilip96 This is just excuse for poor difficulty implementation. In perfect world melee should still be valid while keeping that legendary pressure on player.
@@verybadHAT That would be impossible to balance. I don't think that has EVER been achieved in any game that uses math. SO basically all of them. Especially when you consider balancing across multiple difficulties.
Yes that is why I never play with Battle difficulty on anything other than normal. But I put the Campaign difficulty on hard or very hard.
@@petrinafilip96 It was done - AI in Age of Empires 2 for example doesn't cheat, it just gets more effective at actually playing the game.
Some RPG games also modify how enemies behave, which skills are they allowed to use or how often or how enemy groups are composed. It definitely is POSSIBLE - just massively more difficult (the irony) than simply slapping a +X% damage and health modifier on enemy unit, naming it 'hard' difficulty and calling it a day.
The best thing about a Sisters of Averlorn doomstack is the pretty light show
It is also the "most autopiloting" (next to the Yvresse archers) one, where you dont have to constantly change where your flyers are and to get them out of a fight to get the charge bonus again ... or to apply another phoenix "bomb" or breath attack.
I got the Sisters in all my elves armies in my only HE campaign with Alarielle and I can honestly say playing them, while pretty, are boring as heck. Didn’t even bother to finish the campaign bc it’s so boring playing with a doom stack of Sisters
Same with playing skaven weapons teams
Legend: Makes a tier list of High Elves's units
Tyrion to Thorgrim: *GIMME DAT BOOK U GIT* !
I’m glad
Cornmaster 27 Glad he isn't going "full Anaerion murderhobo"?
ring ring
"Wuuuuuut?!"
"Yo dawg it Tyrion."
"Tyrion? By Grugni's beard! How the hell are ya?"
"Yeah great... Listen that 'book' you always writing stuff in ..."
".... Yeah?"
"I'ma need it. Legend talking smack again."
"GATHER MY THRONG!"
SUNFANG HUNGERS
Luke M More like: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD level
Legend: "If you got a unit that shoots like 5 times a second, they run out of ammo... Nobody shoots that fast anyway..."
Rattling Gun: "Am I A JOKE TO YOU, YES, YES!?"
or the recent video he did with Thorek Ironbrow and the quarellers doomstack. The quarellers were able to shoot every 2 seconds.
Something someth 'ratling guns only fire 1 shot, said shot just has 20 projectiles'
@@zswords as far as the game mechanics work, that is correct.
"according with CA, HE are the most played race in campaign" - I have contributed, like, a good 1000 hours myself towards this achievement XD
Same 800ish hours with imrik and 200+ with batman and allariell
Since the release of Warhammer 2, I myself have played only HE and DE
I don't even like the high elves, but I still play them the most.. damnit. I love the dwarfs and rarely play as them :(
And I don't really enjoy them.
Any undead on the other hand...
Imagine Legend using your disaster campaign for his tier list, what an honor
I find tier lists to be some of your best content. They condense a lot of knowledge that normally would be spread out and unsercheable among many hour long videos.
Aside from that, why not put heroes in there? It would allow you to quickly go over which ones are good or bad in an army.
All agents that HE have access too are good,all of them are good both on campaign and in armies so doing a tier for that is pointless.
Not even mentioning they have the best traits of all races to choose from.
Even if all heroes of a faction would be tier A/doomstack, I still wouldn't mind the extra 5 minutes it would take to include that additional bit of information/guidance :)
Valid point!
I second some info videos on different heroes. They also make much more of an impact when I can use them effectively.
@Patrick Swan yea maybe it wouldn't just be an "extra 5 minutes" for some factions ghehe
I definitely think Shielded Sea Guards need to be available from tier 5 ports. Makes sense, and it's not like they're super OP at that point.
In my first high elves campaign, before I got any DLCs, almost all of my armies consisted of Lothern Sea Guards with shields spam. My armies would look like: lord, 17 sea guards (shields), two dragons. I was a noob back then, so I didn't use heroes or even artillery.
@@SereglothIV tbf, high elf units are so good in general, that those stacks will beat nearly all one on ones you come across - and they're very forgiving for bad micro, as lothern sea guards tend to hold quite well.
My first tyrion campaign also mostly existed out of Lother seas guards with shields >.
@@TheNightkunai At least they outrange a lot of missile units. ;P
yeah i would like this
@@SereglothIV That army beats most of the opposition anyway plus it would be relatively cheap (not like economy is an issue with HE's at mid campaign and later).
HE: has 5 lategame doomstacks
VC: still uses skelly spears late game
Thanks CA
unfortunately , yeah.
but at least the skeletons are free of upkeep after a certain tech
I dont see a problem there.
Have you ever heard of a race called ... "the Zerg"? They have these units called "Zerglings" ...
Hordes of braindead skeletons/zombies is kinda the point of "the undead".
VC's best units are their heroes, which is very fitting 😁
Honestly a couple of Vampires and their Necromancers leading a horde of skeleton is probably a very lore friendly army XD
PS : If you want to play other units.... Lower your difficulty to normal battles 😅
The game is balanced in normal battle and most units are viable.
As someone who typically plays on Very hard campaign and Normal battle difficulty (Since I like having capable melee infantry and enemy skaven slaves not holding to the last rat) it is nice to know what the good units are in the other factions. Keep up the series :)
I really like how many tierlists I'm seeing from youtubers. It's easy as shit to do, but still highly enjoyable to watch. Good combination.
Tierlists are great, I hope you'll keep making them. It helps to better understand why some units are better than others and why you think so. Watching streams for that purpose is kinda slow, so the vids are great
I like the Silverin Guard for their magic resistance of 30%. That can be increased through the red tree to 45% and also paired with ruby/sapphire guardian phoenix or the gem of sunfire to make them highly resistant to Sisters of Averlorn friendly fire damage and fire magic. Extremely useful if you have a chokepoint to anchor an enemy army.
And they are not as squishy as the spearmen. With their 55% missile resistance, they're good for taking enemy fire. They are really no damage dealers, but rather stop the enemy before getting into melee with your Sisters of Avelorn. In a Lothern Sea Guard (w or w/o shields) stack, they are not necessarily needed, but still do a good job, so your LSG can archer the shit out of your enemies. I personally would rate them at borderline C to B.
The are a great unit ESPECIALLY on legendary difficulty . Between Siverin and Sisters the HE can take on anything. Legend always wastes enemy ammo - if you don't exploit this Silverin are priceless
Yeah agreed, most of my mid game armies are a mix of Silverin and Sisters
Definitely some interesting insight, especially on a lot of the bottom tier units. Its often so easy to be like "well x unit is better why aren't you using it" but if you can get an entire army spun up and marching before you finish the building for that "better" unit that's major value in a campaign.
theres also the micro concern, the more you specialize and upgrade your units the smarter and more micro-agile you have to be with them
You knew a unit is bad when Legend, who played the game for more than 10k hours forgot about them.
What unit did he forget?
@@jedimasterdraco6950 He skipped over the 'dragon princes' when discussing cavalry at first ;)
@@motivationwijnen1150 Makes sense. There's a reason I've personally modded Dragon Princes to be absolute beasts. Majority AP, anti-large, more speed, etc.
@@jedimasterdraco6950 link to your mod? Id be interested to try it out, cause yeah I think Dragon princes underperform in g :(
@@zulu5405 It's not really something I've published, just a number of preferences I've done to change the High Elves to my liking. However, I might just whip something up just for the Dragon Princes and when it's done I'll pass along a link. It won't be up though until tomorrow though as I've got work soon.
This is exactly the type of content I like most. All your knowledge and experience distilled down into actionable information. Thanks Legend!
The way you make your tierlists are so insightful. They really show your overall knowledge of the game and it’s component parts altogether, definitely keep making more of these if you can!
My list
S: Lothern Sea Guard
A: Lothern Sea Guard (Shields)
F: Everyone else
Do u have the sisters of averlorn dlc?
Dragon Princes in lore: one of the most skilled fighters in the world with powerful and finest weapon.
Dragon Princes in game: Tier 5 (3) Cavalry with 13 (!) AP Damage.
Not to mention they can't even afford dragons,broke ass elves that embarass actual dragon princes that own dragons
Well you always have a difficult job bringing lore and balance together. It's still a video game first. And let's not forget -who- is doing this tier list. There's a ton of subjectivity in here. If it can't cheese or doomstack, or it's melee (no idea why anyone would play Very Hard battle difficulty, but as long as he has fun...), it's not good. Very.. eh.
SFO did them justice
@@Tosnoob Their worth is pretty low compare to their high cost [one of the most expensive shock cavalry units].
- Shock cavalry needs to kite enemy as fast as possible before retreating for another charge [If they are melee tank cavalry may be useful for high elf long-range roaster].
- No bonus in terms of any damage boost [has very low pricing bonus] means too slow to break enemy lines which clearly lower its worth as the shock breaking the line on horseback. [Except the GW buff them to has some kind of penetrate spearman anti-charge]
- Has high defensive capacity but IT is not high enough for its high cost/tier/role...... Has high survivability is good [Resistant to fire, Has shield, High armor] but other anti-large cavalry units can kill give him a very bad time. [Middle tier spear wall is enough to kick him out of the match]
.....HE need buff but High elf units are broken to some degree and hard to balanced.
Questing Knights actually win vs Dragon Princes. It's awful how crap they are for t5 and cost!
I love this! Perhaps a short discussion every now and then about whether a unit is viable at lower difficulty levels? Especially for melee units haha
Like he said, any unit is viable at lower difficulties. The recs he give here have to take into account that the buffs the AI get at higher difficulty are mainly melee buffs and the fact that money is super tight, especially with multiple armies. At lower difficulty, just get the units that your lord buffs, and they will have better stats than the AI and probably just roll them over. If you want to buff your lord and not your units, get something with high defense and morale for the line, get 4ish damage dealing units to collapse flanks with, get something fast for rear charges and intercepting their fast things. Pause often if you stuggle with micro. If archers are your damage dealers, consider using single entities like dragons or heroes for front line to minimize friendly fire, but not necessary. At lower unit sizes, monsters and cav get a bit better. At larger unit sizes, infantry blobs get a bit better. Lower difficulty doesn’t stress your income as much either and doesn’t punish for multiple armies in the same way, so just go crazy and get the expensive things if you can afford it.
This tierlists are great, i hope to see more for all factions. Thanks for your hard work Legend!
I love that Legend doesn’t even try to hide the fact he’s aiming for the UA-cam algorithm 😂
Greatest content and super honest
Meta is the new meta. Please like my comment.
@@PeterTeal77 Very cool.
I'm the only one to feel nervous when in a ranking like this they use the green colour for the bad units and the red for the good ones?
Isnt that the usual thing?
@@drschwandi3687 you can do both of them,
but personaly i always see green as the "good thing" and red as the "bad" and i can't evade geting nervous in this situations XD
@@Asraeks It's a weird game thing. Like in Dark souls the best scaling for some weapons is S tier. So maybe it's a Japanese game thing but that's where I know it from
@@Asraeks It's from Japanese games, if I'm not wrong it means "Super". It's very common to see some games using SSR for example to the highest rarity of characters/weapons/scores and that means Super Super Rare.
@@isaacplanas4948 Oh for me its similiar, but I also make my brain realise that red can mean potent and more dangerous (to the enemy), while green is mild. Furthermore its at the top. Above=good.
Even though most of your tips may not always apply for me as I play on normal difficulty, videos like this have definitely still made me a better player and increased my understanding of the game. So thanks!
This is great content, appreciate the time taken to explain your reasoning. Would love other races tier lists.
"Knights of Tor Garval - Trash, Absolute Trash" NGL, you got me there
Trash until I finally unlock them
I like this format a lot. It puts everything in more context than just hearing that something is good or bad during the streams.
Love this type of video, keep them rolling!
As a side note, the hardest thing as a newer player, at least that I experienced, was creating balanced armies for the high elves, my favorite race. Logic tells me I need melee infantry and cavalry, so at first I struggled to get them in every army. If the high elves combined the really field for infantry with the stables for cavalry, this would be a very different list. And it would be even more radically different if nobles were recruited from that same building chain. It wouldn't be balanced, but it would be much, much better.
I can't tell you how many times I've Googled which is better, swordmasters or phoenix guard. I wouldn't call them trash, but the just don't stand out as essential at their respective tiers. And yet, I felt like I was obliged the recruit them. And then I started watching your videos, lol. And now I know I can just use stacks of archers for a while.
Lastly, I love all of the mistwalker units. None of them are trash, and I love it. When I play as Eltharion I basically just have armies comprised almost entirely of mistwalker units. Love them.
And I love your videos. Thanks!
I always play on lower battle difficulties because it's what I enjoy, but it's always useful hearing these kinds of advice videos even if I'll never play Legendary
me too i just try to conquer the world for fun and always love these videos. i play on normal
Same here, and sometimes I'll still lose battles but I enjoy the game this way
Its like you read my mind with these past few videos. Started playing Warhammer 2 cause I was watching your streams in general and wanted to finally get into it.
One of the things I was looking for was a dwarf lords tier list, which you provided a few days ago. And now I am doing a high elf campaing and was curious about the units and here we go again, haha.
Keep at it Legend, great work
At this point im guessing Tyrion would prefer Legend to be dead rather than finishing chaos and malekith once and for all
why is that?
@@sebastiangniadek6473 he literally trashed the pride of High Elves army , swordmasters didnt work their butts of for thousands of years just to be set 3 lines below basic archers xD tho i understand that on legendary difficulty some units are worthless
Considering how poorly Eataine has performed in my last few campaigns, Tyrion has already given up. They tend to get roflstomped by Naggarond and Cult of Pleasure.
@@dark_side_cookies Yeah I hope CA makes some changes, my Main Problem with Warhammer II is right now, that I always have to save Eataine when I play an Order Tide faction, because they get steamrolled by the DE.
Please do more of these tier lists -- a lot of your best tips and opinions are found in long livestreams, so this is awesome for those of us who don't have as much time to watch as we'd like.
As someone who is getting more and more into Warhammer and getting pumped for WH3, I really enjoy your videos. The tierlists are definitely useful in understanding each unit. Please make more (Skaven next yes-yes)
Since the only major change Shadow Walkers have over the warriors is poison attack, I find that a 3-4 units of walkers mixed around is pretty good, as it would generally just poison debuff the whole army and with the more entity numbers of warriors, the army would actually do better
More tier lists! I don't know what it is about these but they're so neat to watch.
really enjoyed the info. especially when you touched on the army builds of the doomstacks. useful for people that don't frequent discords or reddit about the game.
This tiering idea is a fresh take and handy way of giving useful guides to we plebs.
Following the Beastmen update making them fun to play, would love to see a similar video on them. Knowing which buildings to go for in which hordes, plus which units warrant spending to increase the unit caps, makes for a somewhat different set of challenges, too.
Cheers
Please could you include heroes and lords (split into their respective mounts), or a seperate tier list exclusively with heroes and lords for each faction? Since some heroes are significant upgrades.
These are very informative and explains why you don’t use certain units in your videos. Good stuff legend of cheese!
You should be making more videos like this Legend. You know a lot in the game. That’s what we need
Thank god, I've been scouring the Eltharion stream for hours trying to find the couple of seconds where you mentioned your thoughts on all the mistwalkers lol. Tier lists let's gooooo
Literally just started an imrik campaign. Dragon princes shouldnt be a tier 5 but they do have one very interesting match up... early game lord sniping. They do really well at running down lords, especially that first one you start off with against early game lords that are on foot. Agree that theyre very inconvenient to hire.
More of this sort of thing please, I'd happily watch one of these for every race/faction
Could you also find a way of doing heroes?
I loved the video man, keep up the great work!
Always enjoy your videos where you are sharing your experience about the units or Lords. I hope you do this for all of the races.
Love this breakdown going through a faction's roster. I would highly recommend these for anyone playing TWWH:2
I really enjoy this unit tierlist hope you will make one with other races like lizardman or dark elf
Really loving these tierlist-type videos, keep up the good work Legend
Really like this content, cant wait for the rest of the races! I'd love to see the Tomb Kings!
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Legend learned from Australian Magpies how to harness the power of the swoop for Great Eagles.
I love these kinds of videos since it teaches bunch of stuff in a very easily digestible format. Normal SYDB or SYDC are a bit long and can be a bit intimidating to watch sometimes. I feel that LOTW is perfect at these videos since he is so good at the game and so good at explaining things in a coherent way.
Awesome vid, would be awesome to see Dark Elves soon as well!
Great stuff lad big fan of channel tierlist are great.
I really like this format, i like tier lists, I don't know why, it satisfies my brain
i love tier lists, do more
Kewl stuff man, would like to see all of the races! Keep it up!
great video Legend, please make more of these i think it's really useful for both new and old players!
I really wished war lions were anti-large and not anti-inf, they would be so much more useful in both SP and MP
war lions chariot should be both
33:17 "Nobody shoots that fast anyway"
Ratling gunners: Am I a joke-laugh to you?
your stream and these tier videos are fantastic.
Awesome info. It is really good to get unit info from the perspective of running in an actual campaign instead of in a vacuum. rate this video 10/10.
Very accurate. Love the flamable-arcanephoenix doomstack.
2-4 Silverin Guard are easily buffed and perform well into the late game, easily able to get 60+melee defense and has never let me down.
They are the one melee infantry unit that's quickly obtainable (even if you conquer someone else's barracks then scrap it after).
Cheap, reliable and one of the most underrated units in the game and they stay relevent, unlike LSG which expire in 10 turns once Sisters are unlocked.
I agree Swordmasters are inefficient, but I welcome people to try a couple of Silverin and see them plug the only vulnerability of archer-stacks.
Why would you ever get silverin guard when lothern sea guard are the same tier, preform the same in melee and are a decent missile unit.
@@Your_Paramour Good question mate, LSG get smashed by anything after the mid game and only have 68 models vs 90 model Silverins who have double the armor, 30% magic resist and charge defence vs all. You don't spam this unit, but 2 units of these on each flank will pin large blobs and never move allowing your Sisters even better performance. In reality there's only so many archers that can be in range at any given time. Archer-stacks fall appart once units flood in and Silverin Guard are a simple insurance to ensure nothing ever gets through. Once you have Bowmaster and Precise Fletchlings you'll never run out of ammo and 18 Sisters is just overkill but still presents vulnerabilities to monsters and cav which Silverin stop completely. Check out my Legendary Formations guides on my channel to see how spears can get more out of your archers if you'd like to see more. Cheers mate.
EDIT: Also, Silverin are much cheaper than LSG meaning you're reallocating these funds to a cheaper unit to hold the line, rather than a archer down the back who's out of range.
This is one hell of a throwback to the "top 10 something something" videos you used to make all the time. Fun times
Great video Legend. Would love to see more of these!
Great video. It is a shame that higher difficulties kill the awesome diversity of unit rosters.
A tierlist for the FLCs of the game would be interesting, too.
i agreed
This action has my consent
The council agrees
i can already predict that Bretonnia will be S-tier. A strong, fun race all for free, that sadly doesn't have a lot of special mechanics
@@coaiemandushman1079 it has the vow system but its really bad
Wow these are cool as hell! I hope you do more for the rest of the races.
Love these tierlists Legend keep 'em coming, PLEASE!
All races tier ranking for above VH in a nutshell: Melee infantry bottom half, Ranged units top half. It's pretty lame that AI cheats force this, it would be nice for legendary difficulty to encourage unit mixes to handle different encounters rather than just spamming archers, monsters and heroes.
I'm crappy player and really enjoy that I can play on normal difficulty
This is why the Tier lists for legendary difficulty are BS.
He's catering to like 1% of the Total War population. Swordmasters of Hoeth as trash, is just a joke.
I’ve got to say as a complete noob to this game, this list is a huge help and a fantastic quick reference guide to help get me started. Please keep it up Mr Legend
What you should take into consideration is that this list was made for very hard battle difficulty, which I assume you don't play as a new player. If you play on normal battle difficulty, many of the melee infantry units perform way better than he says. Regular spearmen don't deal much damage, but are great at protecting archers in the early game. Silverin Guard, Swordmasters of Hoeth and Phoenix Guard also perform quite good on normal difficulty. White Lions of Chrace are still bad though :P (in my experience)
Always worries me when new players respond like this to legend because he’s not making content for new players. He’s making content for veterans trying their hand at the hardest difficulty in the game. Melee infantry performs very well on normal difficulty and even on hard. If you’re running nothing but archers as the elves on your normal campaigns you’re sucking a great deal of fun and variety out of the game.
@@mphylo2296 This is all true but a lot of his criticisms seem to be aimed at how convenient the units are to obtain and if the effort is worth it. Its good to know as I start to get more competent, which are the trap units as the game gets more punishing. It was also encouragement, as this seems one of the most digestable Warhammer vids out there.
These tier lists are awesome! Keep up the work and make a tier list for everyone 🔥🔥🔥
Love this format and cotent would love to see you do this for more races!
“Trash. Absolute tra- nah I’m just kidding they’re a doomstack” Legend is the greatest
"I have never recruited Phoenix Guard"
"When I won my first High Elf campaign, I recruited Phoenix Guard"
@@BringDHouseDown Yes but they are a Tier 5 unit, so they do no more than what they cost.
Normally I'm not really interested in Tier Lists - but the way you do these makes me want more. (Also because I have a love/hate relationship with hero-only doomstacks, so it's nice to see how good regular units are/can be)
Excellent video! Informative and fun. More please. You should do one on the lords heros and magic next and do skaven next as a race. Love your work
I'd change the tier list to having a utility tier - so that having one or two of these particular tier units add a lot of utility into armies, like having two eagle claw bolt throwers, for example. Great Eagles, Frostheart Phoenixes, White Lions of Chrace, War Lions, War Lion chariots, Tiranoc Chariots, Spearmen and Ellyrian Reaver Archers would all go into the Utility tier. Having one or two of those guys in an army is quite good, and these guys have some very specific things they're good at, which gives them lots of value. But having more than a couple of these guys doesn't add much further value to the army.
I'd put the Flamespyre Phoenix a tier above the Frostheart Phoenix just because you can kind of use it to make enemy infantry blob up and do the fire-bomb thing with it - I've gotten hundreds of kills from them that way. They are pretty squishy though.
eh, I feel like he did a rather good job of including a units utility into their ranking.
I'd push back on this, because he does that as part of his rating. Dragons work as a full doomstack because they deal damage, move quickly, and fly. I'd say the only reason he gave chariots decent ratings were because of what they bring to a team. He said that reaver archers are great additions and gave them a solid rating, but they're just inconvenient to recruit.
Damn, Tier 5 units in the trash
Btw, can you make one about Bretonnia ? Love your vids, kiss
Cost/benefit and when they come on line, I can definitely understand why even if I don't agree on all of them
TW Warhammer for ya. A fantasty war simulator when most of the infantry and cavalry suck
tiranoc chariots should be in garbage too idk wtf legend is thinking on that one.
Great vid again, can't wait for more of this sort....
super helpful and thank you for taking the time to do this.
Were Phoenixes nerfed recently? During last gameplay they lost to corsair missile unit :/
Not sure, but they require intensive micro. If you just let them wander around, they aren't so good imo.
Illyrian Reaver Archers are so good at providing mobile missile fires and chasing down routing enemies. Sometimes they can easily chase down 400+ enemies after the battle's over with both missile and melee attack. I'd even go as far as saying that they are a must have if you want cleaner victory where few enemies can escape.
Great video mate
Hey Legend, just wanted to tell you how much I liked your well balanced review of the high Elf Roster. I think sometimes (hearing SOME comments during your livestreams) your train of thought is really underappreciated.
This still valid for wh3?
Mostly, but in WH3 melee infantry and cav units performs better than in wh2, also some units move to different buildings, fe. dragon princes are now tier 4 units, not tier 5 and adding to that fact that melee/cav units performs better they can be rated a little bit higher. But for high elves the way to go is still full archers at the start of the campaign (but now it's more valuable to add some spearman to hold the line), than switch to lothern seaguard, then sisters and then blue dragons, but now you can make more value from different units than in wh2
I’ve rather liked these tier lists, I’d love to see dark elves or tomb kings next.
Love this content, hoping you make one for all the races!
Loving this content mate keep on this rhythm
Didn't actually realize how many flying units the HE could recruit. Geez
Never played High elves since I'm not a fan of their theme, but will keep this in mind since I definitely want to get around that eventually! I'd be interested in Dwarf one as well since they have a lot of "optional" units that I personally rarely use. Like the trollhammer torpedos or gyrocopters, even the flame cannon.
I remember Legend saying in a stream that Flame Cannons were one of the dwarfs absolute best units
@@ungabunga345 It is great but the organ gun is probably better and is unlocked at about the same time.
Duuude... Trollhammer Torps and Flamecannon are a tonn of fun!
@@jamiefenwick8359 I'm just repeating what he said. He also mentioned Organ guns though.
I've played two dwarven campaigns and due to their slow growth I didn't even touch most of their late game stuff. I mostly used longbeards, quarellels, thunderers and grudge throwers. Never recruited any other type of artillery. Out of better units, I only got a couple of ironbreakers in one army.
Very inspiring video! It important not only judging a units performance, but also its recruitment cost and even the cost of the building level and effort to go there.
Empire tier list for sure. Great video as well, love your tier lists and explanations.
Star stable died for this.
whats even the point of watching if there isnt even going to by any star stable commentary
Enjoy your tier lists a lot, hope for more to come
Great video Legend, good insight into unit utility. It's amazing how many powerful units the High Elves have.