I fucking hate how Marines are used as Props and only show up in fights to immediately die, like they have the same weapons as Spartans but I guess their bullets aren't as strong and can't one shot Elites like Silver Team...
i feel you they butchered them, elites are supposed to be able to face of against spartans and at least have a 50 50 chance of winning at least anything above minor
Season 2 should start with Chief in full Mk V armor waking up in a cryo tube while a technician says: “Sorry for the quick thaw Master Chief, things are a little hectic right now. You may have experienced some stranger dreams but they should pass soon.” And then Chief just nods without saying anything, and the story is just CE again but with more dialogue.
The funniest thing about the insurrectionist in this “halo” show, is that through out the series the unsc treat the alien threat as nothing more of an inconvenience to the point that the war might as well be propaganda like the insurrectionist think it is. So much so that they have no problems with cutting funding to the research of alien technology and are focusing more on capturing some nameless nobody Asian girl who poses absolutely no threat to them at all, to the point where even idiots would laugh at how dumb this whole concept is. It’s even made more blatantly apparent when it’s made clear that only the Spartans pose any real threat to the aliens, and despite this known fact they still want to cut more founding and destroy the spartan program all together. They want to destroy the only real weapon they have against the aliens while hunting down a girl that clams the war is nothing more then propaganda. With the way the unsc is behaving the war with the aliens is without a doubt propaganda, except for the fact that they really are at war with the aliens and are obviously losing. But apparently they just couldn’t care less, to the point of cutting all founding on the only weapon known to work against the aliens. The people who made this horrible parody of “halo” can only admit to one of two things ; either they hate halo and it’s fanbase with a passion, or they are so bad at their job that their lack of logical thinking and common sense couldn’t be fixed without scraping the whole project. I feel sorry for everyone involved in the project that didn’t know what was going on. Because after the 15 minute pilot everyone was probably shown, they were tricked into making the kwan show and every episode was somehow worse then the last. It’s like they learned how to write and produce a show for the creator of “the room”.
They pretty much admitted that they hate the fanbase, one of the people involved with the show more or less said that the fanbase was an obstacle that held back what they wanted to do. They didn't make this show for the fans, they made it to somehow try to bring show-watchers into the franchise and get more money from them.
The Terran federation looks highly competitive compared to the UEG and UNSC, the bloody Terran Federation! They had at been effective in countering the arachnids, developing gear and tactics against them, etc.
@@AzureRoxe well maybe they'll lead that they'll get more money if they stay true to whatever franchise they attempt to bring to the screen and listen to the fanbase. They're stupid for thinking there would be no repercussions for what they did
You mentioned how it feels like a fan fic, except a fan fic would have been much closer to the cannon lore and be possible to put in to the lore without scrapping more than half of said lore
He compared it to a fan made video because it doesn’t present itself like a 90 million dollar tv show. He mentions that the writing is piss poor and the cinematography and visuals are amateur at best.
It’s mind blowing that the live action halo movie “Halo: Forward until dawn” is not only 100x better than the big budget show but it’s actually free on UA-cam.
Just because it exists doens't mean you have to watch it if you feel this way. How is having more options a bad thing? This show existing doesn't taking anything away from anything else.
"dont like it, dont watch it" has to be the most narrow-minded idea since religion. The people replying so far dont get how one bad product sets the standard for future products, EXACTLY like 343 has been doing throughout their whole lifetime. Not only does it promote bad quality, but breaks the hearts of millions who enjoyed Halo because of what it was. A product where in the creator's minds "good enough" wasnt good enough.
And we all thought Halo 5 had a bad story.... This show makes Halo 5 look like a master piece! Edit: I'm not saying Halo 5 had a good story. It certainly was downright terrible, but this show is just a lot worse.
Thank you... lol I get why people hate 5, but I still really like many aspects of it. The fact that it has Blue Team basically makes my eyes water, as I've been dying to have them in a Halo game, or AT THE LEAST mentioned, for so damn long. It drove me absolutely INSANE, hearing the Bungie era games say Chief is "the last spartan" for all those years. To finally see them acknowledged was amazing. Halsey too!
I commented this on another video, but I’ll say it again: Me looking back at Halo 5 after watching the Halo TV Show: “Perhaps I treated you too harshly.”
Anyone see the theory that Halo was originally going to be a Mass Effect show? Theory goes that the show was written for Mass Effect, but they [Paramount and EA/BioWare] couldn't come to an agreement and lost the rights for Mass Effect to Amazon. Paramount had the rights to Halo, so they just took the script and adapted the characters to be a Halo show. The general focus on internal, smaller-scale human conflicts, intergalactic politics, and relationships with the bigger alien threat building largely in the background. The Covenant’s motives and reasons for attacking humanity being built up as a mystery like how Mass Effect makes a big deal out of nobody knowing why the Reapers do what they do (in contrast to the Halo games, where the Covenant’s motives are more or less known from the start). Also, how the Covenant aren’t really humanized in comparison to the games, being portrayed more like inscrutable beings using brainwashed human servants like the Reapers. The frank depictions and discussions of sex and nudity. Halo’s generally always avoided outright sexual content beyond the occasional silly joke (e.g., “he was my lover!”), whereas Mass Effect never shied away from that subject. The sheer fact that Master Chief fucks at all, and especially that he fucks a woman aligned with the aliens (and is speculated by some to be originally intended AS an alien). Fucking aliens is one of the bread-and-butters of Mass Effect, but can you ever imagine that in a Halo game beyond obvious non-canon gags like Johnson hugging the Elite in CE? The portrayal of AIs. Cortana is a mix of EDI (AI made by morally dodgy group that slowly aligns with the good guys) and SAM from Andromeda (implanted into Chief’s nervous system rather then just carried in a chip like in the games). More vaguely, the Spartans’s portrayal as basically human robots “rediscovering their humanity” feels eerily similar to the Geth and their whole arc of developing individuality, with Chief filling the role of Legion. Halsey acts a lot like a female Illusive Man, manipulating people for “the greater good” and lacking a lot of her more sympathetic traits from the games. Similarly, the guy playing Captain Keyes looks and acts A LOT more like Captain Anderson from Mass Effect (seriously, Danny Sapani is the perfect pick Anderson aside from getting Keith David to reprise the role; he’d be an amazing casting choice if this were a Mass Effect show). And just to cap it off, this Makee character is suspiciously similar to Benezia, serving the villains, the sex appeal, and it would explain why so many people get the vibe that she was intended as an alien. The fact that the whole plot is kicked off when Master Chief goes to colony to find it was attacked by aliens and touches an ancient alien device that gives him a vision… just like Commander Shepard going to Eden Prime and touching the Beacon at the start of Mass Effect. The way Parangosky is portrayed, arguing with and seeking respect from a Council while also covering for undercover black ops stuff would make a lot more sense as the Citadel Council and the whole subplot in Mass Effect of humanity having to prove themselves as newcomers who have only just got onto the Council (which would also explain Parangosky being made a lot nicer then in canon Halo; she’s a stand-in for the first human councilor in Mass Effect, taking elements from both Anderson and Udina). Kwan and the Madrigal subplot feel ever so similar to Tali and the Quarians (younger girl from a culture on the outskirts of galactic society leaves home and ends up working with her peoples’s perceived enemy and learning they’re not so different - again, lining up with the ”Spartans as Geth” idea). Kwan also seems to take a bit after Ashley, being survivor of the heretic Geth Covenant attack on Eden Prime her hometown and having similar ”angry tough girl” characterization.
They already had a script that had nothing to do with Halo ready to go. They changed a few things that make it """work""" and then bought up the Halo IP for an established market. They are doing stuff like this all the time recently and once you recognize it you will see it in everything.
Kudos! I think youre onto something, this should be talked about waaay more and is enough of a topic for many many videos. The way "hollywood" handles new media has been clear for quite sometime now, streamlined products, make it "work" aka remove any features that make it unique aka "polish" its edges until it fits our smooth/generic script which we dont need to make all over again since its the one we keep recycling all this time, this is so convenient from a product manufacturing standpoint and saves so much time/money, who cares anyway people will probably eat our shit and in a sad way so much people do. We will eat anything you put in front of us even though we know its going to make us puke. Just like misleading and exaggerated titles/thumbnails are often enough to make us click on a video, man the rage inducing cycle all over again.
Someone pointed out that if you changed the characters and setting to Mass Effect, it'd actually be a decent show. It matches up suspiciously well to how Mass Effect does stuff
Not gonna lie. This show became kind of a guilty pleasure to watch. I knew it was bad but I couldnt wait to see what else they would mess up. The sheer stupidity of it kept me engaged.
The Room: Halo edition So bad it's good. You watch it to laugh and cringe. Anyone watching it seriously or is invested in the story is either ignorant to the franchise or is a blind fanboy/fangirl. This series is a mark of shame on the franchise, it's surprising that it was even greenlit. I'm convinced it was a momey laundering scheme to pay executives, because it is no where near the quality >10mil an episode should bring and the plot is on par with Tumblr fanfiction.
it is exactly the same with Obi-Wan, watching 1st episode with "wtf" expression for 45min, 2nd episode with ironic smile and occasional face palm and Benny Hill music playing in my head seeing some action on screen, 3rd episode I only managed half way in before switching it off I don't know where they recruit those writers from, but they seem to come from the exact same place - and have absolutely zero talent and are all about woke, I guess that is how you graduate from whatever uni they went to these days
Halo: Forward Unto Dawn still gives me a lot of hope that a live action Halo can be a good success. This Halo Tv series should have taken away one of the biggest lessons of the FUD miniseries did right: Halo is a huge universe, you don't have to make a series about the MC or other huge characters in the Halo lore like Halsey, Miranda and Jacob keys, etc. Tbh I think I'd much more would have preferred a series on ODST's or even UNSC Marines other than main character Spartans and commanders.
Bungie understood that Halo is more than just Spartans and a few characters, 343 doesn't understand that. In Halo 5 theres 0 marines, and in Infinite they're there but don't actually fight with you in any story missions.
Fr, would've been epic if it followed a squad of marines fighting the covenant, with Masterchief as a side character that shows up right as the marines are about to catch a terminal case of no longer breathing, kicks alien ass, refuses to speak so much as a word, then dips out into slipspace.
Oooooh! A Halo series focusing on a group of UNSC Marines trapped behind enemy lines, maybe a brief appearance from a Spartan. Not MC necessarily, just a Spartan II in general. I’d watch that.
Something about halsey in the tv series looks unsettling to me. Also a tv show based on a series which at its core is about the fun of shooting aliens having minimal scenes where chief shoots at the covenant is probably one of the worst misunderstandings of the source material that i have seen in a video game adaptation
TV Halsey is not only the main antagonist of the first season, but she's also the complete opposite of her canon counterpart: she's awlays smiling and polite but actually doesn't care about anyone but herself. TV Halsey is just a 1-dimensional evil scientist. Also the actress is about the same age than the Spartans when she's supposed to be at least 20 years older than them.
There's nothing inherently wrong with that. With the right context and writing, it could work. It's just that the show lacked either. Look at ODST as an example. If anything, I actually don't want a series focused on a Spartan II. Their everyday life outside of combat would be very, very, boring. That would make a story around them hard to do, which means it would be better off left alone. IIIs, Orion, ODSTs, or anything else besides IIs would allow for a lot more creative freedom. Don't know why they decided to use established and known characters like that. You have to be a master storyteller to pull something like that off.
@@shawnyfull This is true, gene therapy is cannon in Halo, sad that's one sole pieces that carried over in their full effect. As well Halesy as an evil scientist would have worked if you gave them enough depth for it, but they didn't and she feels hollow. The main cannon Halsey felt far more real and tangible than the one we see in this show
Honestly it seems about par for 343's treatment of the character. At least a lot of the media around the time of Halo 4 seemed to be pushing the agenda that Halsey was *the* bad guy responsible for all the moral evils of the spartan project up to and including having the person responsible for the far more morally bankrupt spartan 3 project berating her for her practices.
See chief in the books and games was the epitome of what I wanted to be as a human being. The ironic thing is that he was a perfect symbol for humanity on what we should strive to be. I’m talking about his character, not his physical attributes
Does it have a captivating story? Does it leave you engaged? Paralysed?Dumbstruck? NO Yet the Halo Show directors were able to avoid your criticism, hire the actors, and desecrated Halo with their filthy storyline
Edgerunner is a great example that if you respect the source material people will love it, find it funny that the chatter for the halo tv show fell flat almost immediately.
You're a stronger man than I. I couldn't finish it. I love Halo, it's easily my favorite FPS and one of my favorite sci-fi properties in general. If they made an entire series of just Chief saying "I need a weapon" I would have creamed my pants. I couldn't even finish the freaking show...
Also, I just realized that your profile pic is Dean from Iron Giant, but turned into something from Oblivion? Wtf? hahaha the "coffee zilla" scene! Fuck, I love that movie.
i gave up after the first episode. would much rather play the games and blow stuff up my self. i feel the show should be deleted from the internet and from existence
I've never seen the show and never will... Halo is one of my favorite games and lore ever, and this show has shattered every single piece of what is the greatest si-fi lore ever created
The perfect example of this show is with my boys the hunters it's like so cool. To see what they would look like in live-action but we never really get to see the hunters only get to see it is the worm things and not the actual Hunters
YO THIS! I literally continued the show in HOPES that after seeing the hunter worms do their thing we would eventually get to see a actual Hunter. CGI or not I really wanted to see it and it kept me going in the show hoping for JUST THAT. 1 FUCKING HUNTER. They are my favorite enemy is all the games ive played or books ive read. I was disappointed and my bar could have not been lower after the first couple episodes. One hunter would have at least made me smile a little :(
The funny part is there’s nothing wrong with a sex scene in a halo show. Just not with chief or Spartans. I could be down with a “secret” marine love story that builds throughout the season only to have one of them die in the invasion.
when they added a sex scene, it just feels like ripoff mass effect and trying to go in that direction and not to mention i heard rumours that when halo was given to 343, almost half of them didnt like halo and wanted to change everything that made halo halo (cough halo 4 mp and halo 5 and halo infinite beta s1-2), this is why halo vets love bungie era halo cus they put much love and time to it
Excellent Assessment. I agree with everything you stated. It was obvious that no one involved played the Games or knew the Lore. They had a Story Already Written... Sad
It makes me deeply uncomfortable how anyone can write such a story after years worth of conversations about informed consent and inappropriate power dynamics. I would also expect to society to be more civilized than resorting to torture and slavery five hundred years from now.
@@randolphdefreese7874 It is illegal to have sex with a prisoner of war. Look at the power imbalance of both parties. It would be like a new employee having sex with a/the boss. How can you be sure if it is not done out of pressure, blackmail, or money/promotions? Also, the show thinks having sad stories and knowing someone for literally a couple hours is enough in common to start a relationship. Let’s not normalize any of these abusive behaviors.
Man, you hit the nail on the head! I had to play some Halo MCC campaign and watch The Fall of Reach just to scrub my mind that nonsense after watching it.
Early on I was thinking that they could probably pull a George Lucas and make something akin to the Special Edition edits where after the season is done they go back and make certain changes/fixes. This would be stuff like redoing/removing scenes that weren’t working for the sake of pacing, making Ref a Jackal like in that one book (keep Squidward’s house because that was hilarious!), make Chief wear his armor, improve the cgi/fight choreography, and various other small things. I now realize that they’d have to change so much because the show is so fundamentally flawed that you’d be better off just rebooting the thing. They really dropped the ball with this. I’m really sad that it didn’t just stay in development hell. Hopefully season 2 is cancelled, or acts as a reboot that ignored literally everything from the first. They should have just made a mini series that juggles the plots of CE, The Flood book (the parts adapting CE weren’t very good, but the side stories were truly phenomenal), and Fireteam Raven. In terms of tone it would mostly be gritty with a few moments of levity, and have the over the top action with Chief. That way they could ground the audience in the world, while showing that Spartans can do stuff that’s impossible for normal humans. Plus, they’d be able to show off the events from different perspectives. Basically anything would have been much better than what we got.
They should just double down on the comedy factor. Have master cheeks cut a hole in his armor to show his hairy booty 24/7. Have him visit brothels all the time and just mope to the prostitutes. Have all the other spartans dye their skin fluorescent colours. Have cortana install an automatic masturbation device in master cheek's armor. Have doctor Halsey undergo a sex change.
Sadly, the show is run by idiots so the chances of them going back and making improvements is almost zero. Plus, like I stated earlier it simply cannot be fixed. I was going to say it’s weird that 343 didn’t hire people who understand Halo to make the show, but they don’t understand the ip either. It’s been downhill since Reach (Reach is where so many of the problems we have now started).
The moment you watch humans shooting a gun turrent at the covenant doing no damage, but then watch chief pick up same weapon getting a triple kill.... That was my first sign this show was goin suck on multiple levels.
"The showrunners basically looked at the box cover art from some random Halo game and was like, Yep that's enough research." I assume they looked at the version of Halo 2's where it's nothing but the oval logo and a 2 inside it.
Them calling it a silver timeline is just a copout, so they don't have to respect the establish lore. Hollywood is under the wrong impression that they could come up with a better story than what's already there.
"yeah let's just make a halo TV show now that the hay day and the main trilogy is over and when we can no longer reference marathon(thank god) or anything like that!"
but EBR you don't understand, the show has warthog so u should be happy and coomsoom content. Don't think, only consume. When I saw Mister Keef I calpped! I knew what that was!... I'm tired of stories getting beaten to death and then passed around for bad installement after bad installment all so some company can show me a jpg of a warthog or starship enterprise or whatever in order to get their piece of the pie. I'm at the point where I just want media I like to die in peace with dignity lol.
Ya know what's really sad about the halo tv show? It's that fact that I can 1v1 John Halo. Btw there's some stuff in the Halo Infinite shop that looks Warhammer 40k inspired.
They turned Master Chief into Herman Munster ruining his reputation and that of the Spartans. Wolfkill and producers only had to watch Let's Play game video to understand the lore. The writing is like a bad RPG game where the characters act only when scripted. It's Mass Effect's storyline.
I might joke about how social inept I am, but the writers seem to have no grasp of the real world and societal/technological trends. Humans using slaves and torture five hundred years from now? Letting a possible spy run free and have sex with her captor? My skin crawls knowing Jimmy Rings committed a war crime rape.
@@ilikewindows3455 While I'm not sure, it's possible that they meant the overall plot is similar to Mass Effect. In fact, if you replaced most of the Covenant with the races of ME, made MC a mercenary in power armor, and named the characters anything else, it could be a ME universe story.
I dont blame 343 for this mess, yes someone from 343 had to approve this and I believe they should be fired. But we have seen what 343 can do when given freedom to write. I don't even think Halo 5 is their fault fully due to concept art and the trailers having a different story and I think Microsoft wanted shareholders to be happy with the game. Halsey from 343 was always a good character, she can't rise the Spartan II program to freedom as it was a war crime and she is a criminal for what she did. She is still grey if you watch the scenes from Halo 4 and Spartan Ops. This show is just aess that will be forgotten or remembered for how bad it was
Imagine if the TV series followed Spartan II’s on missions. Like we could see more of Arthur, Solomon, Cal, Daisy, and Jorge. We could see Jorge BECOME the ‘Gentle Giant’. In Legends we hear Solomon say “I’ll take my chances” implying he has arrogance to an extent. Cal ONLY talks when she is forced to, her being the ‘Strong and Silent Type’, even more so than Chief. It could also give the novel characters some real exposure, like Naomi from the Kilo-Five books. Musa failed augmentation but kickstarted the Spartan IV program. These characters behave differently so it wouldn’t get boring. Overtime, we could see episodes from the perspective of the Marines or ODSTs to change it up a little. Hell, even an episode from the Covenant or Insurrectionist perspectives would be awesome. I understand the insurrection being in the series, it was the initial enemy for the Spartans to fight.
Forgot to mention that only two people could interact with Forerunner tech: Chief and his ‘love interest’. Making those two ‘chosen ones’ was a stupid idea and it completely changes on how the whole war would’ve started.
well, that's stupid. It was an entire plot point in Halo 2-3 that Johnson and Keyes were captured because only humans could use forerunner tech! Honestly, if 343 wants to take the easiest route, they should just make the show non-canon
One thing I disagree with is how often people say the separtists shouldn't be focused on at all. I think they should have been largely contained to episode 1, but been a far bigger focus of said episode. Use it to build up the spartans, make more of a point that the IIs were made for fighting humans first, then have the covenant incursion after the IIs have already started fighting the humans. A key change I would made too though would be for it to be first contact with the covenant, both as an excuse to give more exposition about them, while keeping an element of fear of the unknown. One of the bigger problems with the show is they've ostensibly been fighting the coves for years yet they're never shown as an existential threat.
The separatists should have been the focus of season 1. Build up the Spartans through their conflict with the Separatists, and explore the ethical issues around the Spartans, then when you meet the Covenant at the end of Season 1, Season 2 you can get into the more grey area of "Would humanity have lasted long enough to see the Great Schism without the Spartans and Chief?"
Halo Tv series is ONLY good because of the action scene despite the odd cgi and visual effects. At least the battle scenes aren't too dark to see and not too shaky like Forward unto dawn's majority action scenes and halo 3 odst live action trailer where the odst runs around and shoot. My favorite character was just Vannak and Kai that's all lol and Vannak acts more like bungie master chief where he spoke less words and more action. Forward unto dawn at least tried to be like the games with chief not having to take of his helmet to show those kids he's human. And the action scenes was the only good thing really reminds me of the later transformers movies lol Transformers 2 to 5
I disagree about the camera thing. the camera, at least in We Are ODST, is designed to follow tarkov like its someone's helmet cam. it makes it feel more grounded than "oh, my viewpoint is floating".
Goes to show what style of movie you prefer loud obnoxious explosions and no tension. That's right Micheal Bay. The whole point of that dark scene was to prove they didn't have any idea who they were fighting. And it creates mass tension and was critically underated
Worst thing about the halsy plot line. She’s already a monster in canon. She hides and has to be transported everywhere for that reason alone. Because if she wasn’t it would take two seconds for someone to put a bullet in her head
I HATE the arguement of "its a game story, why do you wanted it adapted to tv, just play the games", Like yeah, but we also have 20 years worth of EXCELLENT book material, that is canon, that would totally deserve to be serialised. Besides that, anime is almost always 1 to 1 with manga, and its fucking awesome for that, not once have i ever seen someone complain about that, infact people hate when itnceers away from a story, so in saying that, why cant they do a 1 to 1 story of halo CE in a tv series?? Like first ep, meeting the cast, keyes, chief cortana, johnson and of course, chips Dubbo, followed by being boarded by convenient, you could even include thel vaduum (The Arbiter), as an antagonist at this point as canonically he lead the fleet that followed the Autumn to the ring. Could end with chief leaving on an escape pod. Ep2 could open with the 2 banshees we see in the second mission actaully shooting down chiefs escape pod, showing the covenant relentlessness and be more climatic than just the escape pod failing and killing all its occupants. Chief could then wake up outside the crashed pod and that leads into chief finding survivors and fight off covenant. During him finding survivors, they could easily take some time to flesh out the relationship between cheif and cortana and how fellow marines see cheif as he comes to save them. Thats at least how i would do the first 2 episodes, but instead we got fired CW writers hired by paramount on the cheap to write what is probably the most bastardised adaptation they could ever make, second only too the Doom movie that had that chick as the "Doom Girl".
Master Cheeks' sausage was that good: It singlehandedly made the Covenant lady drop all loyalty to her previous caretakers. Master Chief is obviously packin' more than just a standard UNSC Rifle, lol
@Whooa you a ugly nincompoop :-] bro do not affiliate this show with the games. Forget literally everything you watched and play them with an open mind... at night... with the lights off...
It was made by the same kind of people that have ruined so many other franchises in the last 5 to 6 years, from star wars to star trek to doctor who and others
The year is 2022 and people expected Hollywood/paramount to get this right. The time has been and gone for a halo movie/show to be made, that was back in 2009
Read a theory that the show was actually meant to be set in Mass Effect, but when they couldn't secure the rights and the green light for that concept and script they jerry-rigged it into the Halo universe. The more I looked at it in that context the more I could see it, in overall tone and some of the stuff they did like Master Cheeks getting it on would not have raised any eyebrows if it was set in the Mass Effect universe. That's the camp I'm in right now to justify in my head how this thing turned out, they wanted to do Mass Effect, but only tweaked the script just enough to fit Halo when that fell through.
Speaking as someone who is not a Halo gamer, I just recently watched the Paramount TV Season 1 and I thought it was fine, looking forward to Season 2; I'll admit though, there were a few things I didn't like, but quite a few things that I did. I think the hardcore Halo game fans need to accept that the TV series is "loosely" based on the game; these comments are real ba**busters, LOL. But, I get it, when you're passionate about something, you want it done right. I felt the same way when I watched Star Wars VIII and that first scene with Luke Skywalker after waiting over 30 years and that's what they decide to do with him, I was like, what the...!? NO!! I wanted Episode 8 done completely over, and so did Mark Hamill. Thanks for enlightening me about why some people are bashing the TV show, but I'm still going to watch Season 2. Thumbs up Pablo, stay in there man! 👍You are Paramount's Master Chief, you can take it! 😉
I only watched the first episode, when we got to the scene where they revealed Cortana it was the most boring thing ever. it was a vaguely empty room with all the characters just staring at the featureless center where she just appeared and said hi.
Thank you! Show has been sooo frustrating. Why do these Hollywood jackholes have to mess with a story that is already very full and very well put together. Frankly, not sure Chief should have even been a main character imo.
Hopefully season 2 they do some research and start with chief waking up from the nightmare that season one was, and it’s goes with the fall of reach arc and disregards s1 as a bad acid trip that chief had lol
Here's how they can save the Halo show in the next season with just a few simple steps: 1. Disregard everything about the first season and never address it again. 2. Use the budget to make a live-action, one-to-one remake of _Red vs. Blue: The Blood Gulch Chronicles._ 3. Save immense amounts of money on voiceovers by just using the same audio from the series. There, the show is saved. Simple as that.
Same thing that goes wrong with all games made into movies - games and movies are different and to make one into the other you have to change so many things it ends up nothing like people were expecting.
I do feel that there was a distinguishable and possibly spiteful undertone of "fuck the video games". Showing the chiefs face, broken canon massively, only so they could forcefully display his emotions. Creating a storyline, which paints this image of "we are damaged" Spartans. The Spartans, aren't damaged victims, they are stuck warriors that wear their scars with pride. The stories of Makee and Wan, are completely bloating the story. Makee was just a sexy metrosexual Mikey Cryus lookalike, installed, to add to the trash narrative of "the damaged chiefs, past and his unravelling emotions". As a charachter, there was no depth, no real use, no validity proven to her creation. Wan on the other hand, again, was just not needed as was Sorin. Their story, could have perhaps been made into a miniseries of its own. If the show wanted multiple story lines, they could have just kept it focused on the Spartans, as a team. I feel this was something that could have yielded a great deal of investigation, complexity and mystery. They could have really glorified snd highlighted just what they all do and what they stand for. A personal thing that annoyed me, was in one scene, on the walls of the marine base was the motto "per mare, per terras, per constellas". This is so clearly a demonstration of the lack of imagination of the writers: the moto is a bastardisation of the moto for the very real: British Royal Marines. The Motto of which is "per mare, per terram" correct Latin there. There was too much cgi enhancement. I don't think it would be that difficult, to get some old school costumes going, and then compliment it with cgi enhancement. However There were some gd things: Cortana was basically naked in the games, they changed that which was good. The effects and details of the armour, guns, etc was pretty gd. The portrayal of the chief at the end was spot on. I think they did quite well with mixing the lead roles. The portrayal of Halsey was very well developed.
You’re dead right about the Spartan’s attitude of “victimhood”. I think it’s just a mirror of 2020’s American culture which is getting quite tired btw) of being obsessed with elevating personal identity, and wallowing in victimhood as if that makes you righteous. Sucks to see Spartans IIs depicted like just some other temperamental guy/girl.
Silver timeline would've worked if they had actually dived into it. Like the mirror universe of star trek. Instead they tried to play this weird dance of the main storyline of Halo but with very weird choices that didn't pay off.
I saw a theory somewhere -- can't find the details -- that the show was original a Mass Effect show. when they couldn't get the rights they just changed the character names and called it good.
If they wanted the master chief to have a romantic interest (even if it's not the main Halo's proposal), at least they could have done something interesting but maybe in the next season because there's a lot of stories to tell rather than "master sex adventures".
Funny thing is chief and the Spartans pretty well appreciated their status in life and duty to humanity. Chief def wouldn’t have tried to murder Halsey, which is exactly what would happen if he pulled off that bullshit punch in his armor. If chief would have fought those two Spartans outside of his armor he’d have gotten wtfowned. They soiled their pants so hard on this show.
" the other two Spartans acted more like robots than human beings". Lol acting to human was everyone's issue the Spartans. I wish Master Chief took the robot approach.
Love how elites went from unstoppable killing machines in episode 1 to a faceless, worthless, horde. Way to ruin your best enemy soldiers...
I fucking hate how Marines are used as Props and only show up in fights to immediately die, like they have the same weapons as Spartans but I guess their bullets aren't as strong and can't one shot Elites like Silver Team...
i feel you they butchered them, elites are supposed to be able to face of against spartans and at least have a 50 50 chance of winning at least anything above minor
The toughest enemies to kill in most halo games to mindless charging zombies or enraged brutes
They are like some space orcs in this
@@UA-camCensors just the Halo 2 brutes tho
Season 2 should start with Chief in full Mk V armor waking up in a cryo tube while a technician says: “Sorry for the quick thaw Master Chief, things are a little hectic right now. You may have experienced some stranger dreams but they should pass soon.” And then Chief just nods without saying anything, and the story is just CE again but with more dialogue.
Please god never let there be a season 2
@@maverickslastoddworld6476 to be fair i would prefer that season 2 idea over whatever the current writers could have planned
yes, this, or near start or mid-way through the war would be wonderful, also an easy way to retcon things
@@maverickslastoddworld6476 As much as I've heard it's already greenlit because they didn't even bother to wait for the reception.
@d R these executives live in a bubble of yes people who just agree with them to keep their jobs while the execs snort cocaine.
The funniest thing about the insurrectionist in this “halo” show, is that through out the series the unsc treat the alien threat as nothing more of an inconvenience to the point that the war might as well be propaganda like the insurrectionist think it is.
So much so that they have no problems with cutting funding to the research of alien technology and are focusing more on capturing some nameless nobody Asian girl who poses absolutely no threat to them at all, to the point where even idiots would laugh at how dumb this whole concept is. It’s even made more blatantly apparent when it’s made clear that only the Spartans pose any real threat to the aliens, and despite this known fact they still want to cut more founding and destroy the spartan program all together.
They want to destroy the only real weapon they have against the aliens while hunting down a girl that clams the war is nothing more then propaganda. With the way the unsc is behaving the war with the aliens is without a doubt propaganda, except for the fact that they really are at war with the aliens and are obviously losing. But apparently they just couldn’t care less, to the point of cutting all founding on the only weapon known to work against the aliens.
The people who made this horrible parody of “halo” can only admit to one of two things ; either they hate halo and it’s fanbase with a passion, or they are so bad at their job that their lack of logical thinking and common sense couldn’t be fixed without scraping the whole project. I feel sorry for everyone involved in the project that didn’t know what was going on. Because after the 15 minute pilot everyone was probably shown, they were tricked into making the kwan show and every episode was somehow worse then the last. It’s like they learned how to write and produce a show for the creator of “the room”.
Well said should have a trillion likes on this
They pretty much admitted that they hate the fanbase, one of the people involved with the show more or less said that the fanbase was an obstacle that held back what they wanted to do.
They didn't make this show for the fans, they made it to somehow try to bring show-watchers into the franchise and get more money from them.
The Terran federation looks highly competitive compared to the UEG and UNSC, the bloody Terran Federation! They had at been effective in countering the arachnids, developing gear and tactics against them, etc.
@@AzureRoxe well maybe they'll lead that they'll get more money if they stay true to whatever franchise they attempt to bring to the screen and listen to the fanbase. They're stupid for thinking there would be no repercussions for what they did
This wasn't a Halo TV show, this was the Kai show
You mentioned how it feels like a fan fic, except a fan fic would have been much closer to the cannon lore and be possible to put in to the lore without scrapping more than half of said lore
He compared it to a fan made video because it doesn’t present itself like a 90 million dollar tv show. He mentions that the writing is piss poor and the cinematography and visuals are amateur at best.
The story of Jimmy Rings is like the live action Avatar The Last Airbender for the Halo Universe
I don’t this that dumpster fire of a movie is *this* bad, tho
nah its more like the live action dragon ball movie in how shitty it is since they both dont follow their respective source material whatsoever
OMG, YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!! 😱😱😱
Who came up with jimmy rings 😂
@@thomasdwalker9696 I don't care but he's my new hero. Hope it was Ezra but Imma keep saying it regardless, glad Ezra did.
It’s mind blowing that the live action halo movie “Halo: Forward until dawn” is not only 100x better than the big budget show but it’s actually free on UA-cam.
I would've preferred to just simply NOT get a Halo show...AT ALL. If I would've known that THIS is what we were gonna get? Holy shit, man.
Holy shit man this series is amazing man
Just because it exists doens't mean you have to watch it if you feel this way. How is having more options a bad thing? This show existing doesn't taking anything away from anything else.
"dont like it, dont watch it" has to be the most narrow-minded idea since religion. The people replying so far dont get how one bad product sets the standard for future products, EXACTLY like 343 has been doing throughout their whole lifetime. Not only does it promote bad quality, but breaks the hearts of millions who enjoyed Halo because of what it was. A product where in the creator's minds "good enough" wasnt good enough.
@@xZero9Ox read Demon Santa's comment
@Devil Zion If you don't like reviews showing you have bad taste, just don't watch them!
Dredd and Mandalorian both showed you could absolutely keep the helmet on.
And we all thought Halo 5 had a bad story....
This show makes Halo 5 look like a master piece!
Edit: I'm not saying Halo 5 had a good story. It certainly was downright terrible, but this show is just a lot worse.
this is way to true
and they say the halo cycle is fake
@@blackstargate4188 it is fake. He never said Halo 5 was good. He only said it was better than the Halo TV show. That isn’t praise
Thank you... lol I get why people hate 5, but I still really like many aspects of it. The fact that it has Blue Team basically makes my eyes water, as I've been dying to have them in a Halo game, or AT THE LEAST mentioned, for so damn long. It drove me absolutely INSANE, hearing the Bungie era games say Chief is "the last spartan" for all those years. To finally see them acknowledged was amazing. Halsey too!
I commented this on another video, but I’ll say it again:
Me looking back at Halo 5 after watching the Halo TV Show:
“Perhaps I treated you too harshly.”
Anyone see the theory that Halo was originally going to be a Mass Effect show? Theory goes that the show was written for Mass Effect, but they [Paramount and EA/BioWare] couldn't come to an agreement and lost the rights for Mass Effect to Amazon. Paramount had the rights to Halo, so they just took the script and adapted the characters to be a Halo show.
The general focus on internal, smaller-scale human conflicts, intergalactic politics, and relationships with the bigger alien threat building largely in the background.
The Covenant’s motives and reasons for attacking humanity being built up as a mystery like how Mass Effect makes a big deal out of nobody knowing why the Reapers do what they do (in contrast to the Halo games, where the Covenant’s motives are more or less known from the start). Also, how the Covenant aren’t really humanized in comparison to the games, being portrayed more like inscrutable beings using brainwashed human servants like the Reapers.
The frank depictions and discussions of sex and nudity. Halo’s generally always avoided outright sexual content beyond the occasional silly joke (e.g., “he was my lover!”), whereas Mass Effect never shied away from that subject.
The sheer fact that Master Chief fucks at all, and especially that he fucks a woman aligned with the aliens (and is speculated by some to be originally intended AS an alien). Fucking aliens is one of the bread-and-butters of Mass Effect, but can you ever imagine that in a Halo game beyond obvious non-canon gags like Johnson hugging the Elite in CE?
The portrayal of AIs. Cortana is a mix of EDI (AI made by morally dodgy group that slowly aligns with the good guys) and SAM from Andromeda (implanted into Chief’s nervous system rather then just carried in a chip like in the games). More vaguely, the Spartans’s portrayal as basically human robots “rediscovering their humanity” feels eerily similar to the Geth and their whole arc of developing individuality, with Chief filling the role of Legion.
Halsey acts a lot like a female Illusive Man, manipulating people for “the greater good” and lacking a lot of her more sympathetic traits from the games. Similarly, the guy playing Captain Keyes looks and acts A LOT more like Captain Anderson from Mass Effect (seriously, Danny Sapani is the perfect pick Anderson aside from getting Keith David to reprise the role; he’d be an amazing casting choice if this were a Mass Effect show). And just to cap it off, this Makee character is suspiciously similar to Benezia, serving the villains, the sex appeal, and it would explain why so many people get the vibe that she was intended as an alien.
The fact that the whole plot is kicked off when Master Chief goes to colony to find it was attacked by aliens and touches an ancient alien device that gives him a vision… just like Commander Shepard going to Eden Prime and touching the Beacon at the start of Mass Effect.
The way Parangosky is portrayed, arguing with and seeking respect from a Council while also covering for undercover black ops stuff would make a lot more sense as the Citadel Council and the whole subplot in Mass Effect of humanity having to prove themselves as newcomers who have only just got onto the Council (which would also explain Parangosky being made a lot nicer then in canon Halo; she’s a stand-in for the first human councilor in Mass Effect, taking elements from both Anderson and Udina).
Kwan and the Madrigal subplot feel ever so similar to Tali and the Quarians (younger girl from a culture on the outskirts of galactic society leaves home and ends up working with her peoples’s perceived enemy and learning they’re not so different - again, lining up with the ”Spartans as Geth” idea). Kwan also seems to take a bit after Ashley, being survivor of the heretic Geth Covenant attack on Eden Prime her hometown and having similar ”angry tough girl” characterization.
This i can agree with happily, now if only it was Mass effect
I’m sold.
Makes too much sense
They already had a script that had nothing to do with Halo ready to go. They changed a few things that make it """work""" and then bought up the Halo IP for an established market. They are doing stuff like this all the time recently and once you recognize it you will see it in everything.
Kudos! I think youre onto something, this should be talked about waaay more and is enough of a topic for many many videos.
The way "hollywood" handles new media has been clear for quite sometime now, streamlined products, make it "work" aka remove any features that make it unique aka "polish" its edges until it fits our smooth/generic script which we dont need to make all over again since its the one we keep recycling all this time, this is so convenient from a product manufacturing standpoint and saves so much time/money, who cares anyway people will probably eat our shit and in a sad way so much people do. We will eat anything you put in front of us even though we know its going to make us puke. Just like misleading and exaggerated titles/thumbnails are often enough to make us click on a video, man the rage inducing cycle all over again.
From what I've heard, that sounds like the new discworld tv series. Not going to touch that garbage to check though.
I hear it was supposed to be a Mass Effect show, but they couldn't get the rights.
Someone pointed out that if you changed the characters and setting to Mass Effect, it'd actually be a decent show. It matches up suspiciously well to how Mass Effect does stuff
I think you're right on the money there
This just made me appreciate “Forward onto Dawn.”
Not gonna lie. This show became kind of a guilty pleasure to watch. I knew it was bad but I couldnt wait to see what else they would mess up. The sheer stupidity of it kept me engaged.
Lmao I might have to give it a go, just to see how bad it is 😂
The Room: Halo edition
So bad it's good. You watch it to laugh and cringe. Anyone watching it seriously or is invested in the story is either ignorant to the franchise or is a blind fanboy/fangirl.
This series is a mark of shame on the franchise, it's surprising that it was even greenlit. I'm convinced it was a momey laundering scheme to pay executives, because it is no where near the quality >10mil an episode should bring and the plot is on par with Tumblr fanfiction.
It's like a train wreck you just can't look away...lol
Same, its gotten great deal of laughs out of it
it is exactly the same with Obi-Wan, watching 1st episode with "wtf" expression for 45min, 2nd episode with ironic smile and occasional face palm and Benny Hill music playing in my head seeing some action on screen, 3rd episode I only managed half way in before switching it off
I don't know where they recruit those writers from, but they seem to come from the exact same place - and have absolutely zero talent and are all about woke, I guess that is how you graduate from whatever uni they went to these days
Halo: Forward Unto Dawn still gives me a lot of hope that a live action Halo can be a good success. This Halo Tv series should have taken away one of the biggest lessons of the FUD miniseries did right: Halo is a huge universe, you don't have to make a series about the MC or other huge characters in the Halo lore like Halsey, Miranda and Jacob keys, etc. Tbh I think I'd much more would have preferred a series on ODST's or even UNSC Marines other than main character Spartans and commanders.
Bungie understood that Halo is more than just Spartans and a few characters, 343 doesn't understand that. In Halo 5 theres 0 marines, and in Infinite they're there but don't actually fight with you in any story missions.
@@TheMickey0718 bungie/ halo for life😁 even though I fucking hate destiny
Fr, would've been epic if it followed a squad of marines fighting the covenant, with Masterchief as a side character that shows up right as the marines are about to catch a terminal case of no longer breathing, kicks alien ass, refuses to speak so much as a word, then dips out into slipspace.
@@exemplariness Practically what MC did in the Forward Unto Dawn movie! And it was done well!
Oooooh! A Halo series focusing on a group of UNSC Marines trapped behind enemy lines, maybe a brief appearance from a Spartan. Not MC necessarily, just a Spartan II in general.
I’d watch that.
The best way to sum up the Halo TV series in one sentence:
Master Chief takes off his helmet a lot.
Something about halsey in the tv series looks unsettling to me.
Also a tv show based on a series which at its core is about the fun of shooting aliens having minimal scenes where chief shoots at the covenant is probably one of the worst misunderstandings of the source material that i have seen in a video game adaptation
TV Halsey is not only the main antagonist of the first season, but she's also the complete opposite of her canon counterpart: she's awlays smiling and polite but actually doesn't care about anyone but herself. TV Halsey is just a 1-dimensional evil scientist. Also the actress is about the same age than the Spartans when she's supposed to be at least 20 years older than them.
There's nothing inherently wrong with that. With the right context and writing, it could work. It's just that the show lacked either.
Look at ODST as an example. If anything, I actually don't want a series focused on a Spartan II. Their everyday life outside of combat would be very, very, boring. That would make a story around them hard to do, which means it would be better off left alone. IIIs, Orion, ODSTs, or anything else besides IIs would allow for a lot more creative freedom. Don't know why they decided to use established and known characters like that. You have to be a master storyteller to pull something like that off.
@@vaniellys Halsey created the spartan program pretty sure she can fix a few wrinkles
@@shawnyfull This is true, gene therapy is cannon in Halo, sad that's one sole pieces that carried over in their full effect. As well Halesy as an evil scientist would have worked if you gave them enough depth for it, but they didn't and she feels hollow. The main cannon Halsey felt far more real and tangible than the one we see in this show
Honestly it seems about par for 343's treatment of the character. At least a lot of the media around the time of Halo 4 seemed to be pushing the agenda that Halsey was *the* bad guy responsible for all the moral evils of the spartan project up to and including having the person responsible for the far more morally bankrupt spartan 3 project berating her for her practices.
See chief in the books and games was the epitome of what I wanted to be as a human being. The ironic thing is that he was a perfect symbol for humanity on what we should strive to be. I’m talking about his character, not his physical attributes
Does it have a captivating story? Does it leave you engaged? Paralysed?Dumbstruck?
NO
Yet the Halo Show directors were able to avoid your criticism, hire the actors, and desecrated Halo with their filthy storyline
Let me guess...
THE MEMES
The show writer's inability to adequately portray the Halo universe in a live action TV series was a colossal failure...
...Nay, it was HERESY!
Edgerunner is a great example that if you respect the source material people will love it, find it funny that the chatter for the halo tv show fell flat almost immediately.
You're a stronger man than I. I couldn't finish it. I love Halo, it's easily my favorite FPS and one of my favorite sci-fi properties in general. If they made an entire series of just Chief saying "I need a weapon" I would have creamed my pants. I couldn't even finish the freaking show...
They should've gotten Downes to do the voice over in post production.
Also, I just realized that your profile pic is Dean from Iron Giant, but turned into something from Oblivion? Wtf? hahaha the "coffee zilla" scene! Fuck, I love that movie.
i gave up after the first episode. would much rather play the games and blow stuff up my self. i feel the show should be deleted from the internet and from existence
I did not even dare start watching. I saw the reviews of the first few episodes and NOPEd straight away.
Season 2 could have been "To give the Covenant back their bomb". Seriously, I wish they'd never made this malformed tripe.
Short answer it got made after 2016, when story and character development fell to the way side for “tha message”
I've never seen the show and never will... Halo is one of my favorite games and lore ever, and this show has shattered every single piece of what is the greatest si-fi lore ever created
The perfect example of this show is with my boys the hunters it's like so cool. To see what they would look like in live-action but we never really get to see the hunters only get to see it is the worm things and not the actual Hunters
You could watch FUD and see the hunter in its armor.
YO THIS! I literally continued the show in HOPES that after seeing the hunter worms do their thing we would eventually get to see a actual Hunter. CGI or not I really wanted to see it and it kept me going in the show hoping for JUST THAT. 1 FUCKING HUNTER. They are my favorite enemy is all the games ive played or books ive read. I was disappointed and my bar could have not been lower after the first couple episodes. One hunter would have at least made me smile a little :(
The worm things are actually called lekgolo
@@aarone1981 There’s no “one damn hunter”. They ALWAYS come in pairs.
@@b1gbreezzzy718 the more you know 🙂👍
The funny part is there’s nothing wrong with a sex scene in a halo show. Just not with chief or Spartans.
I could be down with a “secret” marine love story that builds throughout the season only to have one of them die in the invasion.
when they added a sex scene, it just feels like ripoff mass effect and trying to go in that direction and not to mention i heard rumours that when halo was given to 343, almost half of them didnt like halo and wanted to change everything that made halo halo (cough halo 4 mp and halo 5 and halo infinite beta s1-2), this is why halo vets love bungie era halo cus they put much love and time to it
Bungie always put loves in their game idk why
@@newbplaygamesbruh not modern bungie
@@paperclip6377 yeah bungo is dead
"The Halo TV Series - What Went Wrong?"
*It's very existence*
Excellent Assessment. I agree with everything you stated. It was obvious that no one involved played the Games or knew the Lore. They had a Story Already Written... Sad
Did we really need chief committing a war crime by screwing a pow? It also legally makes chief a rapist lol! Wtf were the writers thinking.
It makes me deeply uncomfortable how anyone can write such a story after years worth of conversations about informed consent and inappropriate power dynamics. I would also expect to society to be more civilized than resorting to torture and slavery five hundred years from now.
How does it make him a rapist?
@@randolphdefreese7874
It is illegal to have sex with a prisoner of war. Look at the power imbalance of both parties. It would be like a new employee having sex with a/the boss. How can you be sure if it is not done out of pressure, blackmail, or money/promotions?
Also, the show thinks having sad stories and knowing someone for literally a couple hours is enough in common to start a relationship. Let’s not normalize any of these abusive behaviors.
@@randolphdefreese7874 Like I said it's legally rape because power are not allowed to consent legally.
Man, you hit the nail on the head! I had to play some Halo MCC campaign and watch The Fall of Reach just to scrub my mind that nonsense after watching it.
Early on I was thinking that they could probably pull a George Lucas and make something akin to the Special Edition edits where after the season is done they go back and make certain changes/fixes. This would be stuff like redoing/removing scenes that weren’t working for the sake of pacing, making Ref a Jackal like in that one book (keep Squidward’s house because that was hilarious!), make Chief wear his armor, improve the cgi/fight choreography, and various other small things. I now realize that they’d have to change so much because the show is so fundamentally flawed that you’d be better off just rebooting the thing. They really dropped the ball with this. I’m really sad that it didn’t just stay in development hell. Hopefully season 2 is cancelled, or acts as a reboot that ignored literally everything from the first.
They should have just made a mini series that juggles the plots of CE, The Flood book (the parts adapting CE weren’t very good, but the side stories were truly phenomenal), and Fireteam Raven. In terms of tone it would mostly be gritty with a few moments of levity, and have the over the top action with Chief. That way they could ground the audience in the world, while showing that Spartans can do stuff that’s impossible for normal humans. Plus, they’d be able to show off the events from different perspectives. Basically anything would have been much better than what we got.
They should just double down on the comedy factor. Have master cheeks cut a hole in his armor to show his hairy booty 24/7. Have him visit brothels all the time and just mope to the prostitutes. Have all the other spartans dye their skin fluorescent colours. Have cortana install an automatic masturbation device in master cheek's armor. Have doctor Halsey undergo a sex change.
Are you sure they'd actually think of this?
Sadly, the show is run by idiots so the chances of them going back and making improvements is almost zero. Plus, like I stated earlier it simply cannot be fixed.
I was going to say it’s weird that 343 didn’t hire people who understand Halo to make the show, but they don’t understand the ip either. It’s been downhill since Reach (Reach is where so many of the problems we have now started).
The moment you watch humans shooting a gun turrent at the covenant doing no damage, but then watch chief pick up same weapon getting a triple kill.... That was my first sign this show was goin suck on multiple levels.
"The showrunners basically looked at the box cover art from some random Halo game and was like, Yep that's enough research."
I assume they looked at the version of Halo 2's where it's nothing but the oval logo and a 2 inside it.
Them calling it a silver timeline is just a copout, so they don't have to respect the establish lore. Hollywood is under the wrong impression that they could come up with a better story than what's already there.
Sad that Karl Urban's Dredd from 2012, was a better Master Chief than the one in the current Halo TV series.
Its just Halo fan fiction at this point. They dont even have Halo music. Lols. Good video.
"Halo is a pretty cool guy" - Showrunners
"yeah let's just make a halo TV show now that the hay day and the main trilogy is over and when we can no longer reference marathon(thank god) or anything like that!"
This why i wanted Neill Blomkamp to direct the halo tv series he was the one who directed the short film halo landfall.
I'm Sharing this. Everyone needs to tag the producers to this video
but EBR you don't understand, the show has warthog so u should be happy and coomsoom content. Don't think, only consume. When I saw Mister Keef I calpped! I knew what that was!...
I'm tired of stories getting beaten to death and then passed around for bad installement after bad installment all so some company can show me a jpg of a warthog or starship enterprise or whatever in order to get their piece of the pie. I'm at the point where I just want media I like to die in peace with dignity lol.
Ya know what's really sad about the halo tv show?
It's that fact that I can 1v1 John Halo.
Btw there's some stuff in the Halo Infinite shop that looks Warhammer 40k inspired.
They turned Master Chief into Herman Munster ruining his reputation and that of the Spartans.
Wolfkill and producers only had to watch Let's Play game video to understand the lore.
The writing is like a bad RPG game where the characters act only when scripted.
It's Mass Effect's storyline.
I might joke about how social inept I am, but the writers seem to have no grasp of the real world and societal/technological trends. Humans using slaves and torture five hundred years from now? Letting a possible spy run free and have sex with her captor? My skin crawls knowing Jimmy Rings committed a war crime rape.
Comparing this dumpster fire story to Mass Effect’s is an insult to Mass Effect
See the fact that you compared this to Mass Effect proves you never actually played Mass Effect
@@ilikewindows3455 While I'm not sure, it's possible that they meant the overall plot is similar to Mass Effect. In fact, if you replaced most of the Covenant with the races of ME, made MC a mercenary in power armor, and named the characters anything else, it could be a ME universe story.
I could answer the video title in one word
EVERYTHING
I dont blame 343 for this mess, yes someone from 343 had to approve this and I believe they should be fired. But we have seen what 343 can do when given freedom to write. I don't even think Halo 5 is their fault fully due to concept art and the trailers having a different story and I think Microsoft wanted shareholders to be happy with the game.
Halsey from 343 was always a good character, she can't rise the Spartan II program to freedom as it was a war crime and she is a criminal for what she did. She is still grey if you watch the scenes from Halo 4 and Spartan Ops. This show is just aess that will be forgotten or remembered for how bad it was
They could've had the arbiter as a way to look at the covenant's perspective. But the show writers suck too much to do that.
Kiki Wolfkill (old 343i employee) and Paramount people have no idea what they're doing with Halo nor do they care
you know you fucked up when EBR starts cursing
While watching this i got an ad for the show and couldn't help but laugh
Imagine if the TV series followed Spartan II’s on missions. Like we could see more of Arthur, Solomon, Cal, Daisy, and Jorge. We could see Jorge BECOME the ‘Gentle Giant’. In Legends we hear Solomon say “I’ll take my chances” implying he has arrogance to an extent. Cal ONLY talks when she is forced to, her being the ‘Strong and Silent Type’, even more so than Chief. It could also give the novel characters some real exposure, like Naomi from the Kilo-Five books. Musa failed augmentation but kickstarted the Spartan IV program. These characters behave differently so it wouldn’t get boring. Overtime, we could see episodes from the perspective of the Marines or ODSTs to change it up a little. Hell, even an episode from the Covenant or Insurrectionist perspectives would be awesome. I understand the insurrection being in the series, it was the initial enemy for the Spartans to fight.
another example of a wonderful way of doing this series, among countless other lines they could have went
I've watched it and I was like... WTF IS THAT ? MATER CHIEF RETRIEVING HIS HELMET?!!!
Forgot to mention that only two people could interact with Forerunner tech: Chief and his ‘love interest’. Making those two ‘chosen ones’ was a stupid idea and it completely changes on how the whole war would’ve started.
well, that's stupid. It was an entire plot point in Halo 2-3 that Johnson and Keyes were captured because only humans could use forerunner tech! Honestly, if 343 wants to take the easiest route, they should just make the show non-canon
@@pileoweirdness it is non-canon and thats the thing that pisses me off.
One thing I disagree with is how often people say the separtists shouldn't be focused on at all. I think they should have been largely contained to episode 1, but been a far bigger focus of said episode. Use it to build up the spartans, make more of a point that the IIs were made for fighting humans first, then have the covenant incursion after the IIs have already started fighting the humans. A key change I would made too though would be for it to be first contact with the covenant, both as an excuse to give more exposition about them, while keeping an element of fear of the unknown. One of the bigger problems with the show is they've ostensibly been fighting the coves for years yet they're never shown as an existential threat.
The separatists should have been the focus of season 1. Build up the Spartans through their conflict with the Separatists, and explore the ethical issues around the Spartans, then when you meet the Covenant at the end of Season 1, Season 2 you can get into the more grey area of "Would humanity have lasted long enough to see the Great Schism without the Spartans and Chief?"
Halo Tv series is ONLY good because of the action scene despite the odd cgi and visual effects. At least the battle scenes aren't too dark to see and not too shaky like Forward unto dawn's majority action scenes and halo 3 odst live action trailer where the odst runs around and shoot.
My favorite character was just Vannak and Kai that's all lol and Vannak acts more like bungie master chief where he spoke less words and more action. Forward unto dawn at least tried to be like the games with chief not having to take of his helmet to show those kids he's human. And the action scenes was the only good thing really reminds me of the later transformers movies lol Transformers 2 to 5
I disagree about the camera thing. the camera, at least in We Are ODST, is designed to follow tarkov like its someone's helmet cam. it makes it feel more grounded than "oh, my viewpoint is floating".
ua-cam.com/video/PvNwmEtCBUE/v-deo.html this is the next episode...
Goes to show what style of movie you prefer loud obnoxious explosions and no tension. That's right Micheal Bay. The whole point of that dark scene was to prove they didn't have any idea who they were fighting. And it creates mass tension and was critically underated
@@consistantgi Thanks for the link, I haven't had such a hard laugh for a long time.
Worst thing about the halsy plot line. She’s already a monster in canon. She hides and has to be transported everywhere for that reason alone. Because if she wasn’t it would take two seconds for someone to put a bullet in her head
I loved the thumbnail lmao
I HATE the arguement of "its a game story, why do you wanted it adapted to tv, just play the games",
Like yeah, but we also have 20 years worth of EXCELLENT book material, that is canon, that would totally deserve to be serialised.
Besides that, anime is almost always 1 to 1 with manga, and its fucking awesome for that, not once have i ever seen someone complain about that, infact people hate when itnceers away from a story, so in saying that, why cant they do a 1 to 1 story of halo CE in a tv series??
Like first ep, meeting the cast, keyes, chief cortana, johnson and of course, chips Dubbo, followed by being boarded by convenient, you could even include thel vaduum (The Arbiter), as an antagonist at this point as canonically he lead the fleet that followed the Autumn to the ring. Could end with chief leaving on an escape pod.
Ep2 could open with the 2 banshees we see in the second mission actaully shooting down chiefs escape pod, showing the covenant relentlessness and be more climatic than just the escape pod failing and killing all its occupants. Chief could then wake up outside the crashed pod and that leads into chief finding survivors and fight off covenant. During him finding survivors, they could easily take some time to flesh out the relationship between cheif and cortana and how fellow marines see cheif as he comes to save them.
Thats at least how i would do the first 2 episodes, but instead we got fired CW writers hired by paramount on the cheap to write what is probably the most bastardised adaptation they could ever make, second only too the Doom movie that had that chick as the "Doom Girl".
Master Cheeks' sausage was that good: It singlehandedly made the Covenant lady drop all loyalty to her previous caretakers. Master Chief is obviously packin' more than just a standard UNSC Rifle, lol
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Funnily enough, i genuinely think i could write a better narrative than those "writers"
@Whooa you a ugly nincompoop :-] bro do not affiliate this show with the games. Forget literally everything you watched and play them with an open mind... at night... with the lights off...
They know they blew it too. Paramount plus started having commercials around the 3rd episode. This was supposed to be a flagship series for them.
It was made by the same kind of people that have ruined so many other franchises in the last 5 to 6 years, from star wars to star trek to doctor who and others
Disney 🙃
@@BumFluffer1999 and paramount 🙃
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The year is 2022 and people expected Hollywood/paramount to get this right.
The time has been and gone for a halo movie/show to be made, that was back in 2009
Covenant perspective and love interest? But that's what Arbiter is for
Mmm Humans good, you had me dying with that 😂
When you’re handling millions of dollars to make a tv show, ruining the franchise is no longer a result of incompetence, but rather maliciousness.
Read a theory that the show was actually meant to be set in Mass Effect, but when they couldn't secure the rights and the green light for that concept and script they jerry-rigged it into the Halo universe. The more I looked at it in that context the more I could see it, in overall tone and some of the stuff they did like Master Cheeks getting it on would not have raised any eyebrows if it was set in the Mass Effect universe. That's the camp I'm in right now to justify in my head how this thing turned out, they wanted to do Mass Effect, but only tweaked the script just enough to fit Halo when that fell through.
Speaking as someone who is not a Halo gamer, I just recently watched the Paramount TV Season 1 and I thought it was fine, looking forward to Season 2; I'll admit though, there were a few things I didn't like, but quite a few things that I did. I think the hardcore Halo game fans need to accept that the TV series is "loosely" based on the game; these comments are real ba**busters, LOL. But, I get it, when you're passionate about something, you want it done right. I felt the same way when I watched Star Wars VIII and that first scene with Luke Skywalker after waiting over 30 years and that's what they decide to do with him, I was like, what the...!? NO!! I wanted Episode 8 done completely over, and so did Mark Hamill. Thanks for enlightening me about why some people are bashing the TV show, but I'm still going to watch Season 2. Thumbs up Pablo, stay in there man! 👍You are Paramount's Master Chief, you can take it! 😉
good thing I never watched the show, did not miss out on a thing it seems
The reviews from UA-camrs tearing it apart are usually quite entertaining.
The Oracle {or whatever she's called] was a mistake.
Miranda being Halsey's kid {they seriously hinted that if didn't straight say it}
What Halo TV series? I thought it was a Parody Cosplay series that takes place in the Halo Universe setting.
Finally! An honest halo tuber! You have my thanks EBR!
I don’t think it will get a second season, and most likely will get retconned with a new series made by actual halo developers
I only watched the first episode, when we got to the scene where they revealed Cortana it was the most boring thing ever.
it was a vaguely empty room with all the characters just staring at the featureless center where she just appeared and said hi.
Thank you! Show has been sooo frustrating. Why do these Hollywood jackholes have to mess with a story that is already very full and very well put together.
Frankly, not sure Chief should have even been a main character imo.
They saw Book of Boba Fett and thought "I could do worse to a franchise and destroy a beloved character." ...and succeeded.
Hopefully season 2 they do some research and start with chief waking up from the nightmare that season one was, and it’s goes with the fall of reach arc and disregards s1 as a bad acid trip that chief had lol
This was the biggest monkey's paw I can think of. We've wanted a Halo show for decades now, and when we finally got our wish, we got... this.
Here's how they can save the Halo show in the next season with just a few simple steps:
1. Disregard everything about the first season and never address it again.
2. Use the budget to make a live-action, one-to-one remake of _Red vs. Blue: The Blood Gulch Chronicles._
3. Save immense amounts of money on voiceovers by just using the same audio from the series.
There, the show is saved. Simple as that.
Same thing that goes wrong with all games made into movies - games and movies are different and to make one into the other you have to change so many things it ends up nothing like people were expecting.
As someone who's never play the Halo video game and is NOT a nerd...I thought the good was very good sci-fi
It is a very good show. It's just different from the video games and that's what the babies are crying about.
@@pattycake520 so true.... needs would always cry from their parent's basements......
As someone who hasn't seen the show, it does seem that a lot of these are good ideas but they were just executed poorly and in the worst way possible
I've never played the game or read the books, so I don't know anything about halo universe, so as a show I liked it very much
I do feel that there was a distinguishable and possibly spiteful undertone of "fuck the video games".
Showing the chiefs face, broken canon massively, only so they could forcefully display his emotions. Creating a storyline, which paints this image of "we are damaged" Spartans. The Spartans, aren't damaged victims, they are stuck warriors that wear their scars with pride.
The stories of Makee and Wan, are completely bloating the story. Makee was just a sexy metrosexual Mikey Cryus lookalike, installed, to add to the trash narrative of "the damaged chiefs, past and his unravelling emotions". As a charachter, there was no depth, no real use, no validity proven to her creation. Wan on the other hand, again, was just not needed as was Sorin. Their story, could have perhaps been made into a miniseries of its own. If the show wanted multiple story lines, they could have just kept it focused on the Spartans, as a team. I feel this was something that could have yielded a great deal of investigation, complexity and mystery. They could have really glorified snd highlighted just what they all do and what they stand for.
A personal thing that annoyed me, was in one scene, on the walls of the marine base was the motto "per mare, per terras, per constellas". This is so clearly a demonstration of the lack of imagination of the writers: the moto is a bastardisation of the moto for the very real: British Royal Marines. The Motto of which is "per mare, per terram" correct Latin there.
There was too much cgi enhancement. I don't think it would be that difficult, to get some old school costumes going, and then compliment it with cgi enhancement.
However
There were some gd things: Cortana was basically naked in the games, they changed that which was good. The effects and details of the armour, guns, etc was pretty gd. The portrayal of the chief at the end was spot on. I think they did quite well with mixing the lead roles. The portrayal of Halsey was very well developed.
You’re dead right about the Spartan’s attitude of “victimhood”. I think it’s just a mirror of 2020’s American culture which is getting quite tired btw) of being obsessed with elevating personal identity, and wallowing in victimhood as if that makes you righteous. Sucks to see Spartans IIs depicted like just some other temperamental guy/girl.
I didnt even know there was a halo tv series. and i played it from halo 1 to 4 or so. wtf. seeing this shit i absolutely agree with you
I enjoyed the series, it was a different turn from the Ole boring story of halo game. So I liked this one. Surely looking forward to season 2
Silver timeline would've worked if they had actually dived into it. Like the mirror universe of star trek.
Instead they tried to play this weird dance of the main storyline of Halo but with very weird choices that didn't pay off.
Simple: Woke activists who watched to much game of thrones.
I saw a theory somewhere -- can't find the details -- that the show was original a Mass Effect show. when they couldn't get the rights they just changed the character names and called it good.
I mean to be fair...halsey is a monster even in the normal canon.
3:01 I was really waiting for a Kat moment.
If they wanted the master chief to have a romantic interest (even if it's not the main Halo's proposal), at least they could have done something interesting but maybe in the next season because there's a lot of stories to tell rather than "master sex adventures".
The fan and test films and trailers of halo is as good as it gets
Having a human in the Covenant is absolute heresy. It breaks all Canon, and there's no way you can do it without fundamentally breaking Halo.
For starters they said 'We don't need to play the GAMES to make a Halo series!'
Funny thing is chief and the Spartans pretty well appreciated their status in life and duty to humanity. Chief def wouldn’t have tried to murder Halsey, which is exactly what would happen if he pulled off that bullshit punch in his armor. If chief would have fought those two Spartans outside of his armor he’d have gotten wtfowned. They soiled their pants so hard on this show.
It would have been great if they created a follow up on Halo Forward Unto Dawn.
If they wanted to go for characters that takeoff their helmets and Have some unique personalities they should’ve just done reach or ODST
" the other two Spartans acted more like robots than human beings". Lol acting to human was everyone's issue the Spartans. I wish Master Chief took the robot approach.
Bring back 2D animation. Easiest way to stay faithful to source material while also potentially looking great
I'm not going to say I enjoyed the video, But I certainly agree with what your saying, 100%.
Halo series 2 doesn't get any better. Sadly
Just as I click this video I get a Ad for the Halo TV show 2 months after ending…great job ads