I was a jet engine mechanic and electrician in the USAF for over a decade. Never heard of missing bolts of any kind. Its called incompetent management and gross mismanagement of funds. We were flying jets overseas for years with no problems even 1 struck by lightning in the tail section. Flew home fine. Its a shame that its profits over people in the civilian sector. The CEO and CFO need prison time for this incompetence.
Whats the bet that diverse hiring and affirmative action is directly related to this. I would not be surprised if its found to be a woman’s fault. But watch them blame a man.
I heard from someone that works in toll calibration industry that he was told that employees were using the wrong tools to tighten bolts using somethimg like a standard wrench
There is an interesting article on the BBC website following an interview with the CEO of Emirates. Whilst the article only focuses on Emirates, what it does make abundantly clear is that airlines are starting to lose their trust in Boeing and ready to take their orders for new aircraft elsewhere. Whether that happens or not is very dependent on how well Boeing's management can change the company culture and start to focus on top level quality and safety. They clearly didn't get the message when one of their aircraft had a software issue that they tried to deny and literally hundreds lost their lives because of it. A few years later and it is a case of 'here we go again' although thankfully, no one has lost their lives this time because of Boeing's corporate complacency and probable negligence. It is all good news for Airbus, but they too must be careful to ensure that complacency does not overcome them also.
This whole design needs investigation. Blaming it on quality failings is an attempt by the FAA to get out of the fact that they have allowed too much leeway for self accreditation by Boeing. Four bolts is not four levels of redundancy as can be evidenced by this disaster. These door plugs should be treated as if they are actual doors for the purposes of homologation and certification. In particular, there should be clear visual indication that the fitment is securely closed, latched and locked. With the current design, that is patently not possible as the fitment is hidden by a fitted panel in the cabin.
They don't take stuff apart very often, just increases the likelihood of something being reinstalled incorrectly. This was in an area that wouldn't be accessible under normal circumstances
No they just imagine the plane and it appears with perfect safety. You just have to feel it and give it the vibe 😎 I mean what sort of question is that @elisastate? Are you dense? Or perhaps a woman maybe?
@@wobblybobengland did u even look at Boeing staff demographic? It's like not even true. They are majorly white dudes. Regardless incompetence comes in all colors mate. Definitely enough competent white managers/engineers out there, if only Boeing would actually pay enough to hire them.
The defective door plug failed basic form, fit, and function. The fact it’s installed on the aircraft shows gross negligence on all stakeholders from Boeing, Spirits Aerospace, FAA, Alaska Airlines and everyone that works the assembly.
There is a mindset problem at Boeing, no matter how many inspectors they have, they can't watch 100% of the time. QC starts at the lowest level of the assembler. At one time engineers were in charge at Boeing, today they have bean counters.
There have to be thousands of bolts that are part of assembling jet. Maybe they could get consultation from Lockheed Martin on how they use a projection system with colors and text onto the airframe to help with keeping it all straight.
Yeah but what do women know about inspecting planes? You can thank diversity hiring for this one! Best man for the job died a long time ago. You got the cleaning ladies from the Costco night crew f£&king around with aircraft saftey protocols.
Boeing lobbied the regulators to allow it to do its own quality control without outside inspections. Sure could make it easier, faster and ( most importantly for them) cheaper to move the product along. Here we are as a result.
The quality of employee work is so poor today. The drugs people do, on the job and off. Luckily for me I am tired of traveling. I have no plans to fly again
I love how feminists are getting exposed these days. Let it continue for all i care. Their own movement is destroying them. All this diversity hiring can only equate to problems. And it comes from feminism. And now they are trying to being planes down. Its gold!
Boeing put in place a control plan to make sure all doors are installed correctly. Great, they will cut corners for all the rest. Next time the engine will fall off.
Boeing’s merger with Northropp Grumman annihilated their culture, the 3 year delayed 787 should have inspired them to abandon the theory of using outsourcing over quality engineering. Instead they pressed on and made an even worse, more dangerous airplane with the 737 Max. I hate flying on these planes.
Outsourcing the work is the problem. If you have a prestigious product and name don't farm out work to contractors who have less investment in your name and reputation. Do it all in house. If profits for shareholders become key instead of in house quality customers expect, beware. Because shareholders will happily milk the business to death and move on.
Hi everyone, is a way to know when you booking flights, the type of aircraft you will be using? Because my trust in any Boeing aircraft is now zero. Im due to have 3 holidays this year and Im not risking my life on a company that focuses on profits and not passenger safety
Their highest priorities, as stated on the website, and evidenced by events, are sustainability, diversity, and inclusion. Impossible to prioritize profits OR quality and safety if you have "diversity" quotas, as diversity is currently defined. You can't profit from building airplanes people are afraid to fly on.
THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN AMERICA THE RETIRED SKILLED WORKERS RETIRED IN 2019 to avoid COVID SARS TWO AND THE REPLACEMENT WORKERS ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO REPLACE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE LAST GENERATION OF SKILLED WORKERS AND THE BIG COMPANIES ARE NOT TRAINING ENOUGH NEW WORKERS BECAUSE OF BUDGET CUTS! FLYING IN AMERICA IS RUSSIAN ROULETTE!
CLICK BAIT!! Go get some new NEWS. How many times are you going to recycle this news. You would have to go far and wide to find someone now that has not heard of this many times. Get over it.
@@collettemcquaide1662 If you're hiring according to quotas you're unlikely to be hiring the best people. It's a mathematical reality you can't wish away.
@@marcwilliams9824yes but in this exact case it doesn’t seem to be the fault of airline engineers because as far as I’m aware the bolts for the doors are not commonly inspected by the airline and to back me up Boeing advised airlines to do a one time inspection on the door bolts making seem like inspected the door bolts isn’t one of the things that airlines will inspect
There is an interesting article on the BBC website following an interview with the CEO of Emirates. Whilst the article only focuses on Emirates, what it does make abundantly clear is that airlines are starting to lose their trust in Boeing and ready to take their orders for new aircraft elsewhere. Whether that happens or not is very dependent on how well Boeing's management can change the company culture and start to focus on top level quality and safety. They clearly didn't get the message when one of their aircraft had a software issue that they tried to deny and literally hundreds lost their lives because of it. A few years later and it is a case of 'here we go again' although thankfully, no one has lost their lives this time because of Boeing's corporate complacency and probable negligence. It is all good news for Airbus, but they too must be careful to ensure that complacency does not overcome them also.
I was a jet engine mechanic and electrician in the USAF for over a decade. Never heard of missing bolts of any kind. Its called incompetent management and gross mismanagement of funds. We were flying jets overseas for years with no problems even 1 struck by lightning in the tail section. Flew home fine. Its a shame that its profits over people in the civilian sector. The CEO and CFO need prison time for this incompetence.
industrial sabotage . competing company . new company trying to get into the business .
It's not the CEO and CFO that need prison time, it's the employees that didn't put in the bolts.
I have watched several documentaries on plane crashes and some were maintenance errors including missing screws bolts and other maintenance mistakes.
Whats the bet that diverse hiring and affirmative action is directly related to this. I would not be surprised if its found to be a woman’s fault. But watch them blame a man.
If it's Boeing, I'm not going. 😂
How the tables have turned lol
Hehe!
Boeing is going to make Tupolev look good at this rate
Fly Airbus and see the world / Fly Boeing and see the next world .
here comes the shill!
nice gallows humor there!!
I’m no aviation expert but it’s just a idea from my head but maybe the FAA or a independent company should inspect every plane that Boeing builds
Exactly this.
Someone who actually knows what he or she is actually doing
I heard from someone that works in toll calibration industry that he was told that employees were using the wrong tools to tighten bolts using somethimg like a standard wrench
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Your parenthetical phrase ✅
There is an interesting article on the BBC website following an interview with the CEO of Emirates. Whilst the article only focuses on Emirates, what it does make abundantly clear is that airlines are starting to lose their trust in Boeing and ready to take their orders for new aircraft elsewhere. Whether that happens or not is very dependent on how well Boeing's management can change the company culture and start to focus on top level quality and safety. They clearly didn't get the message when one of their aircraft had a software issue that they tried to deny and literally hundreds lost their lives because of it. A few years later and it is a case of 'here we go again' although thankfully, no one has lost their lives this time because of Boeing's corporate complacency and probable negligence. It is all good news for Airbus, but they too must be careful to ensure that complacency does not overcome them also.
They would take their orders elsewhere except that it's competitors are at capacity.
@@Globodyne Even Chinese and Russian manufacturers?
@@AnuraniaPolitics prevent airlines from buying any Chinese or Russian aircraft
This isn’t complacent, this is Boeing got too big for its pants
This whole design needs investigation. Blaming it on quality failings is an attempt by the FAA to get out of the fact that they have allowed too much leeway for self accreditation by Boeing.
Four bolts is not four levels of redundancy as can be evidenced by this disaster. These door plugs should be treated as if they are actual doors for the purposes of homologation and certification. In particular, there should be clear visual indication that the fitment is securely closed, latched and locked. With the current design, that is patently not possible as the fitment is hidden by a fitted panel in the cabin.
That's why a door would be safer those do come with inspection ports and acess to vital components.
The MAX should be shelved.
@@221b-l3t The door plug is one of three options. A useable door, a non-usable door or the door plug.
This was not a design problem.
@@GH-oi2jf is more like an industrial sabotage problem .
Doesn't airlines have maintenance or technician to check the aircraft before flying.
They don't take stuff apart very often, just increases the likelihood of something being reinstalled incorrectly. This was in an area that wouldn't be accessible under normal circumstances
No they just imagine the plane and it appears with perfect safety. You just have to feel it and give it the vibe 😎
I mean what sort of question is that @elisastate? Are you dense? Or perhaps a woman maybe?
Bolts don’t walk off themselves 😂
How fuck were 4 bolts not fitted and then signed off.😢😢
Corporate espionage. The history of the company suggest someone ain't happy and wants their board or ceo.
diversity is strength
dei equal die
@@bloodlove93actually Boeing is like 90% white men…
@@wobblybobengland did u even look at Boeing staff demographic? It's like not even true. They are majorly white dudes. Regardless incompetence comes in all colors mate. Definitely enough competent white managers/engineers out there, if only Boeing would actually pay enough to hire them.
The defective door plug failed basic form, fit, and function. The fact it’s installed on the aircraft shows gross negligence on all stakeholders from Boeing, Spirits Aerospace, FAA, Alaska Airlines and everyone that works the assembly.
There is a mindset problem at Boeing, no matter how many inspectors they have, they can't watch 100% of the time. QC starts at the lowest level of the assembler. At one time engineers were in charge at Boeing, today they have bean counters.
So glad I’m flying on an airbus
There have to be thousands of bolts that are part of assembling jet. Maybe they could get consultation from Lockheed Martin on how they use a projection system with colors and text onto the airframe to help with keeping it all straight.
Assembling a large machine is not a novel problem, they've been doing it for decades. This is just crap quality from Boeing.
WE ALREADY KNEW THAT
Airbus>Boeing
The question is what else is missing...??
"This is seriously embarrassing" try seriously grave ! Boeing shouldn't be allowed even to open shop AT ALL !
Question. Whenever a plane is delivered, doesn't it get inspected for safety by the vendee?
Yeah but what do women know about inspecting planes? You can thank diversity hiring for this one! Best man for the job died a long time ago. You got the cleaning ladies from the Costco night crew f£&king around with aircraft saftey protocols.
Are they actually kidding... I could have told them that on day 1
everyone and their grandma can have assumptions, Providing proof and solid evidence, and then coming to a conclusion takes time.
Yes, but the official preliminary report just came out. That is what they are reporting on.
Blancolirio got it on day 2
Ships have lifeboats so is it not time all airline passengers are issued with parachutes?
"As long As ' your s-belts are on, a few falling doors , shouldn't be That big a Big Deal.
Wouldn’t have mattered if it was double the altitude. Seats would likely have been sucked out
The QA inspector must have been on a smoke break.
Probably a woman too. With an only fans account and 5 kids from five different dudes. And is probably not capable of naming 3 country’s.
If the bolts were never fitted the blow out should have happend the very first time the plane took off ?!
Boeing on the way down literally, 2 crashes causing the death of 350 people and now a door falls off, what’s next?
This is where diversity, inclusion and equality (D.I.E) policies get you.
Quality Union labor?
Boeing lobbied the regulators to allow it to do its own quality control without outside inspections. Sure could make it easier, faster and ( most importantly for them) cheaper to move the product along. Here we are as a result.
The quality of employee work is so poor today. The drugs people do, on the job and off. Luckily for me I am tired of traveling. I have no plans to fly again
They do that Boeing long time
This happened bcuz they changed their policy to hire more women and diverse people as opposed to hiring the most qualified.
FACTS!!!!!
I love how feminists are getting exposed these days. Let it continue for all i care. Their own movement is destroying them. All this diversity hiring can only equate to problems. And it comes from feminism. And now they are trying to being planes down. Its gold!
I'm glad I don't fly. If I did though, I would only trust flying on an Airbus.
The cockpit door is designed to fly open.
Not the whole door, some panels in it.
only depressurisation panels. not the door.
That’s not what the AMM or FCOM said
sabotage in manufacturing 😅
atleast boeing can show off ah64 when bbc makes harry new king
Boeing put in place a control plan to make sure all doors are installed correctly. Great, they will cut corners for all the rest. Next time the engine will fall off.
Boeing -doors bowing
Thank you diversity!!
That's what you get when you give joe biden a spanner .
SHUT Boeing DOWN !
Why is it embarrassing for Boeing??? Someone “fixed” the plane and didn’t put the bolts back. That is unlikely to be the fault of Boeing.
Just plain lazy
Boeing’s merger with Northropp Grumman annihilated their culture, the 3 year delayed 787 should have inspired them to abandon the theory of using outsourcing over quality engineering. Instead they pressed on and made an even worse, more dangerous airplane with the 737 Max. I hate flying on these planes.
I heard this some time ago... and I understand that the job took place in the UK...
Outsourcing the work is the problem.
If you have a prestigious product and name don't farm out work to contractors who have less investment in your name and reputation. Do it all in house.
If profits for shareholders become key instead of in house quality customers expect, beware. Because shareholders will happily milk the business to death and move on.
oh glad that with people's lives at risk, we'll have "more [FAA] boots on the ground". sounds exactly as non-committal as we need!
Hi everyone, is a way to know when you booking flights, the type of aircraft you will be using? Because my trust in any Boeing aircraft is now zero. Im due to have 3 holidays this year and Im not risking my life on a company that focuses on profits and not passenger safety
Their highest priorities, as stated on the website, and evidenced by events, are sustainability, diversity, and inclusion. Impossible to prioritize profits OR quality and safety if you have "diversity" quotas, as diversity is currently defined. You can't profit from building airplanes people are afraid to fly on.
Take a look at Boeing's "2025 Aspirations" to see what their priorities are. Hint: it isn't safety or quality.
We are beginning to reap from relying too much on AI that is spearheading assembly lines in most industries.
Airbus yaaaaaaaaay!
Engineering is in decline. Things like this will keep happening.
boeing should convert their business to home apliance not making aeroplane
But Boeing is embracing DEI. How could this happen?
or DIY ? For your safety, a screwdriver and 2 bolts are always available upon request.
OLD NEWS
Oh did you get to read the preliminary report weeks ago did you?
Seems Like EQUITY Diversity Hired Engineer forgot to fix the Bolts.
It's official, after this new f*ckup Boing made itself the LADA of the aviation industry, while Airbus got the Porsche place.
THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN AMERICA THE RETIRED SKILLED WORKERS RETIRED IN 2019 to avoid COVID SARS TWO AND THE REPLACEMENT WORKERS ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO REPLACE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE LAST GENERATION OF SKILLED WORKERS AND THE BIG COMPANIES ARE NOT TRAINING ENOUGH NEW WORKERS BECAUSE OF BUDGET CUTS! FLYING IN AMERICA IS RUSSIAN ROULETTE!
I guess the old "self regulation" doesn't work...again
The company who doesn't "self-regulate" goes out of business, so it does eventually work. It just takes time and too many lives.
CLICK BAIT!! Go get some new NEWS. How many times are you going to recycle this news. You would have to go far and wide to find someone now that has not heard of this many times. Get over it.
The preliminary report was just released dummy
Old news no shit. I heard that day 2. Really this ain't breaking news
No, you speculated on what it could have been as you had no evidence to prove it. Now the official report is out with proof
Errrrr company that runs the airline are a woke outfit .. loads of woke and female aircraft engineers employed at the airline.
Are you mentally challenged bud?
Your point being?
@@collettemcquaide1662 If you're hiring according to quotas you're unlikely to be hiring the best people. It's a mathematical reality you can't wish away.
Hey Jim this is extra poignant, especially because you're gay.
@@marcwilliams9824yes but in this exact case it doesn’t seem to be the fault of airline engineers because as far as I’m aware the bolts for the doors are not commonly inspected by the airline and to back me up Boeing advised airlines to do a one time inspection on the door bolts making seem like inspected the door bolts isn’t one of the things that airlines will inspect
There is an interesting article on the BBC website following an interview with the CEO of Emirates. Whilst the article only focuses on Emirates, what it does make abundantly clear is that airlines are starting to lose their trust in Boeing and ready to take their orders for new aircraft elsewhere. Whether that happens or not is very dependent on how well Boeing's management can change the company culture and start to focus on top level quality and safety. They clearly didn't get the message when one of their aircraft had a software issue that they tried to deny and literally hundreds lost their lives because of it. A few years later and it is a case of 'here we go again' although thankfully, no one has lost their lives this time because of Boeing's corporate complacency and probable negligence. It is all good news for Airbus, but they too must be careful to ensure that complacency does not overcome them also.