Brk Ghost 60m pellet test - Is faster better?
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2023
- BRK Ghost .22 High Power with 15gr pellets, still looking for the optimal speed, but it looks like I have found an answer. Shot 3 different brands of pellets at 2 different speeds in swirling wind, the results surprised me a bit.
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Round about 16 grn at around 50 m is a fantastic pellet weight for rabbits at 900 ft/ sec. I have used this on my theoben rapid long barrel at 30 ftlbs, current BRK ghost and tuned springers. Incidentally the theoben was probably the most accurate air rifle I have ever owned , over 70 shots with no reg it was brilliant. Only downside was the long barrel when out rough shooting. Try one
Just found your channel and wanted to say thanx you true world finding and showing what to expect real world!
Always appreciate you sharing data. Thanks Gert.
Love your channel Gert. My favourite Airgun channel. Great information presented in a fun but honest style. I see no one else who tests pellets and slugs the way you do. It is amazing what a few fps can do to a guns accuracy. Unfortunately I am stuck with the UK's sub 12 limit but I can still enjoy all your content. Seasons greeting all.
you can still test and fine tune with the hammer adjustment you can also try sizing a few of the same pellets to different sizes if you get a set from ramsbottoms about 25quid and if you find a speed and size your gun prefers you can then try lubing some it can take a couple of dozen to get the full effect of lubing though as it cleans the barrel the first few shots. i always do it with my guns
I did some more testing with sub 12fpe and slugs, next video...
A great series of videos and very interesting indeed..
Gert, another of your very informative, and interesting videos….The first 2 minutes and 13 seconds is a joy to hear. With such a low reg pressure, your hammer spring has to be maxed out, and with that much tension, the spring “power” has to be erratic, possibly causing more of the group spread then being caused by the wind. Recommend you bring the reg up to about 115 and adjust tension wheel for about 915 fps (or so). Great video series!
Tried that, but the hammer spring is just too heavy, currently the only way to shoot the pellets below 900fps is with a very low reg pressure, meaning the hammer spring vs.reg balance is whacked up.
@@AimSmallYou did purchase this in HP power. I think you'll need the 25gr Monster redesign pellets.
The regular version would be better for lightweight pellets.
The 850 doesn’t seem ideal.
Well done, Gert ! 🙂👍 My experience with the BRK Ghost .177 HP is the same - 875-915 FPS for pellets at 50 to 75 M works very well 🙂
That is great to hear, I have never been able to shoot .177 accurately at that speed, also said I don't do it much, my 177 guns are all setup to shoot sub 12fpe for HFT and FT.
Gert thanks for your time making this videos I know it is a long time editing.
Do you have a video comparing the precision of Impact M3 vs Ghost at 30 or 60 mts? Are you planing to make one.
Thanks from Chile
Hi Juan, no I don't own a M3, I have a M1 that has been suped up, it has everything the M3 has bar the micro adjuster. Yes I want to do a comparison, but I need to get a pellet liner first for the 700mm barrel of the FX and down tune it significantly. Both guns are setup for 50 FPE + which isn't good for pellets at all. Maybe in the new year I will get some funds to complete the comparison.
Thanks Gert for the prompt answer. I hope this Christmas Santa brings you nice presents. Have a nice holidays @AimSmall
Excelente
First, I enjoy very very much you videos. I am surprised that Ghost gets speeds of over 850 with the reg at only 75 bar 😮. Would this mean that the hammer is set to hit very strong? Wouldn’t it preferable for accuracy to increase the reg and decrease the hammer strength? Only a question not an advice 😅
100% correct, very hard hammer spring, I will need to order a new one if I want to increase reg pressure, currently shooting of minimum power wheel setting.
Fantastic, as an FX shooter, my Crown (old ST Barrel from my first mk1 Impact) loves pellets, the 15.89gr (902fps) and 18,13gr (855fps) are shot with no other setting changes, very accurate. Side note, my FX barrel does not show leading problems. Brocock has a Walther Lother barrel does not? that would be a cut groove barrel, thus sharper grooves. Good polish will help wit velocity and accuracy. Love the vids
Thanks Sir. Polished once already, will give it another good polich.
I always polish my barrels. Usually takes about 1000 shots.......😂
I shoot 177cal 10.5gr crossman ultra mags more than anything else.
My Avenger loves them and so does my BSA R10SE.
Iam considering buying a Ghost, Impact, RTI, or RAW.
My biggest problem is looking at the Avenger Bullpup in 177cal. It's now on sale for $289.00 at Pyramid Air. Since most of my shooting is inside 60yards, I wonder if a higher price gun will even benefit me.
I may just buy the Avenger Bullpup and a Hawke Vantage 3×12 40mm and call it a day.
If the time comes that the Avenger can't be repaired cheap. I'll throw it in the trash and buy a new one.
But to date my so called "budget" airguns have been rock solid reliable. I even have the original Umarex Gauntlet in 177cal. I adjusted the trigger and put a larger bottle on it. I've never had one problem with it. It loves 10.34 JSB.
Pure logic and 100% correct. Those avengers are lasers, no need for a fancy pricy gun if you can find a workhorse that shoots that good.
@@AimSmall But like you, I really enjoy the high quality feel of the expensive stuff. I've heard that Ghost just feels like a million bucks.
Even though a Toyota Corolla will get you from point A to point B. A Ferrari is alot more fun.
Iam really liking the Ghost in regular power.
Subscribed from the USA 🇺🇲
@@heithwatkins Awesome, yes the build quality of the Ghost is far superior to the other big high power players. But the ghost needs better barrel work, for that price they don't have the barrel combination perfect yet.
Nice video like always my friend I did adjust my regulator @ 80 bar and I shooting 18.13 gr 885 fps my jsb's really good I do love you channel on my reviews wens I shoot alloever the place one of my subscribers tell me that im shooting a shotgun lol blessings
ua-cam.com/video/h82ys08bYVQ/v-deo.htmlsi=zEH7zFI2qLTR3r6X if you have time look in to my ghost video I got English subtitles lol
Looking at the trees in the background, those groups should be a mile better than that.
Don't be fooled by those bloody trees. Lol. The venue is known for gusting and swirling winds. But yes the groups can be better., the gun setup isn't great, too heavy hammerspring, so the reg vs hammerspring balance is out of whack.
Hi Gert, unless you are pushing the pellets very fast you shouldn’t be getting chunks of lead building up. Is your magazine feeding ok? Mine was quite sharp round the hole and sometimes shaved a bit off the pellets.
Could do with a good bore scope to have a look at it. I don’t think it’s quite right myself.
Yip, feeding issues, barrel leading up, you name it and I have had it. Frustrating like hell. Never had this with any of my HW or AA guns, not even with the FX.
@@AimSmallwhatever happened to the good old days when you just got the thing out of the box and used it!
I gave up with the Daystate magazine and purchased a CARM. Works well but you get the drag on the probe pushing past the o ring. Better groups with softer JSB pellets and no horrendous flyers like with the original, and stops you dry firing when it’s empty. Means throwing more money at it though!
Where do you draw the line when you think you’re probably going to get rid??
@@ctom4103 That is the million dollar question.
When i hear the sound of the shots that the Ghost makes in videos, i always think to hear an excessive amount of hammer bounce.
Is the rifle efficient?
No it is not accurately tuned yet due to the too heavy hammer spring, I have aordered the hammerspring set to play around and find the optimal settings. You can reach the Max 65Fpe with this setup, but adjustability is limited and air does get wasted.
As others have mentioned enjoy your channel, I do think that there is something amiss with your gun. Those groups should be much better with the longer barrel. What I have noticed is that pellet weights and sizes, and quality of finish seems to vary very considerably with all makes these days. Sorting your pellets into closer group weights and sizing and even dressing the rear of the skirts will help a great deal. When you look closely at pellets these days you can see how rough they are. This makes a nonsense of published ballistic coefficients.
Couldn't agree more, I shoot the pellets and slugs straight from the tin, don't have time to weigh and sort. I takes about 3h of sorting to filter down to 200 pellets... I do however sort for competition shooting, but due to the amount of shooting I usually do, I will spend more time weighing and sorting than actually shooting. lol.
Fair comment but how about doing it and showing folks if it makes a difference, including cleaning pellets and barrel.
@@philthefluter1 Barrel cleaning is another issue all together, I never clean my HW100, Daystate Pulsar or FX barrels, the same goes for my AA EV2. I however do need to clean the Ghost regularly as it is very aggressively grooved and lead stays behind. If you shoot benchrest then weighing and measuring pellets is a non negotiable, I shoot HFT and FT, weighing the pellets is more to make sure the very odd pellets gets thrown out. If you are looking for perfection then weighing and sizing becomes very technical. A pellet with a deviation in weight of up to 5% won't make much of a difference up to 50m. If you want to shoot 100m then the weight becomes more important.
Hi Gertjie, 😁, eks ook geen ekspert nie maar in my ervaring is dat n loop met n stadige twistrate het jy meer spoed nodig om die pellet te stabiliseer.
Slugs ja, nie pellets nie, die pellet kort net 'n bietjie twist as hy die loop verlaat, daarna is die shape soos 'n pluimbal en stabiliseer hy self. Dus is die twist rate op pellets nie 'n groot issue nie. die crown en spoed speel 'n groter rol. Ek het dit veral gesien in die FX se verskillende twist rates, die beste pellets skieter was die oorspronklike 1:24 en 1:22 twist rate liners, die nuwe 1:18 is nie so akkuraat met pellets nie.
Push those pellets to 930fps - 30ft lb and you will be rewarded. 30ft lb is a sweet spot for .22 with most guns. I always tune to the recommended sweet spot then adjust from there if slightly off, but it won’t be. 😉 Greak power to shot count ratio also
In a previous video they started to open up at about 915fps. I will have to redo that experiment, might be that the harmonics was just out of whack, maybe if I push them slightly faster theywill stabilize again. Thanks for the heads up, I did shoot one unbelievable grouping at 1030fps, but wasn't able to repeat it, I thin kat that speed the LW barrel grabs the lead and it will require cleaning every 10 shots or so.
Spare yourself some lunacy, and put windage flags at your target so you can see it through the scope as you're e aiming, also have another one in-between you and the target. it's nice to have it so you can see this one with your left eye so you don't have to get off your cheek. I make simple flags out of the pull strip in trash bags they work great and are very long to work with. It's not uncommon for them both to be telling a different story, but at least they will explain what you might not be able wrap your head around. Then use the language the flags are speaking to compensate for each shot and see how your groups result as opposed to just point shooting and having the wind win. I think this is what makes shooting air guns fun, deciding how to hit the mark in a matrix of opposition. You are never going to have these flags to help when hunting unless you bait, but at least it helps to settle a lot of frustration and build memory for different distance based on intuition from experience. It was the best advice that I can say I followed, the windage flags, the rest is up to you. I couldn't believe that the three flags I have more often than not are never in agreement, just because the way the air disperses when it hits a wall or an object. It's the path of least resistance. Even when you think you know what the wind is doing, the Flags will tell you, you are wrong. I think that's why you here about people reading the mirage, like the haze you can see on top of hot pavement on the highway, as an example.
Awesome advice. Thanks.
No problem. I just wanted to add that I suspend the flag "thrash bag strap" with fishing line from a long stick at an angle or from a branch. It's actually kind of a pain in the ass to set one up because if it's not a long stick at an angle, the flag will wrap around the stick. So, like a good couple of Shepphards hooks or alternatively, take a good diameter pipe you can hammer into the ground at an angle and the put the stick into that since jamming a long stick in the ground at an angle isn't as easy as it sounds. You kind of have to get creative since the ones they use at benchrest comps are mega expensive, but having it suspended gives a true read. Obviously, the weight of the string you suspend it with and the size of the flag you use will determine how active it will be, either way, as long as it's consistent you will know your flags soon enough. I know it's not rocket science but my first attempt I just put the flagging around a stake, and it will wiggle and stuff, but it won't really tell you what you want to know, it's useless like this, it needs to be hung in some way, even off a clothesline.
@@AimSmall
Great vid tell us in ft llb
The gun is currently set to about 30fpe, to get it to the max of 65fpe you need to up the regulator to 170bar.
Also (follow up to first comment) it always gets me when I see group testing then the shooter keeps trying different pellets/slugs. Really you should clean the barrel between changing ammo and re-lead up! Otherwise you’re not getting an accurate prediction for that pellet, the barrel is being mucked up by leading the barrel to multiple pellet profiles. It’s luck of the draw if it works out.
Especially with aggressively groved barrels, I did polish the barrel intensely to get rid of some of the aggressive groving, but not enough. You are off course 100% correct, removing the ghosts barrel, shroud etc. is not a fun job. Marno Denner is a Daystate ASF, he NEVER cleans his Ghost/Daystate barrels, polishes them and treats them, they are almost smooth twist. Funny enough, my HW100's don't mind at all, I can shoot different makes and models all day long, the moment I put the JSB 8.44 gr back in the barrel they 1 hole. I made a video about that (slug testing 177 again), you will see that this is the case with the HW100 and AA EV2. No leading in the barrel at all. In short, it hugely depends on the actual barrel, Steyr and LW barrels are very sensitive to fouling and needs to be cleaned often. Thanks for the advice, always welcome to have a fellow shooter with a passion for the sport.
if the wind is making flyers . then most the diabolo pellets shot to fast or the twist to fast
Here is th interesting part, the twist is probably the slowest in the market 1:30 , the fx is about 1:24 on the original liners... The wind is not your friend, especially if it is gusting and changing direction all the time.
@@AimSmall the twist to slow or and the speed is the same problem .that why grouping kan change at distance
@@peteralexben Gusting wind is the biggest culprit here. Plus the wind is not consistent, it changes direction inbetween shots. It can also be that the pellets differ in weight, I don't weigh the pellets before shooting, so they might differ slightly in weight, this will have a huge effect in the wind.
@@AimSmall yes but a instabile projectil is more easy out of line in wind .
@@peteralexben well said. True.
Lyk my jy moet soek na n lang skuur op n plaas dat die wind jou kan uitlos. 😜
EK is oop vir offers... ek soek juis enetjie
That gun is not set up correctly, or you just cant shoot. Even in strong winds they should stack
Yup, the gun isn't setup correctly, the hammer spring is way to hard, that is why I can only change the speed with the regulator, well spotted. (The power wheel only has an incluence from 120bar regulator pressure and higher). If the wind is constant they do group, even at 60m, but it all depends on what your definition of a group is. lol. The challenge I face where I live is that the wind is NEVER constant, it changes every shot... and there will always be human error, the gun isn't clamped into a vice. The whole idea of the video was to determine if the increased speed will assist in better groupings, and it did. A lot. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Much appreciated.