👉 Here are Amazon links to the carbon plate running shoes tested in the research study that I discuss in the video. I linked to the overall models because the model versions change so fast that the current ones will soon be outdated. ✅ Nike Alphafly: geni.us/jcp1 ✅ Asics Metaspeed Sky: geni.us/5wuF ✅ Nike Vaporfly: geni.us/odAF ✅ Saucony Endorphin Pro: geni.us/GAoHm3a ✅ New Balance RC Elite: geni.us/uxaYs ✅ Hoka Rocket X: geni.us/z0hB2 ✅ Brooks Hyperion Elite: geni.us/NAnqlS If you buy anything via these links, we may get a small commission at no extra cost to you.
I'm not a fast runner by any means, my 5k is just above 20min. And oh boy, when I first laced up the Vaporfly I immediately saw a clear difference in my speed at the same effort compared to all the non carbon-plated shoes I run in. I do most of my easy runs in different Nike shoes which all have the same foam, the only other difference is weight. With the Alphafly I get a springy toe off which no other shoe gives me. And I must say that I feel that my legs get a real beating when I do tempo sessions in the Vaporfly shoes. With other shoes I'm usually out of breath before the legs start to really hurt. I absolutely do believe that these shoes are not for beginners and you need to ease into them, they definitely caused me soreness which I haven't felt in a long time when I first started using them.
From what i've heard and read, carbon shoes only make a 2-4% difference for "elite" runners that means a carbon shoe has basically almost no effect if you're running slower than 4min/km. I've recently tested the Metaspeed Edge+ against Superblast 2 and my times (5K/10k) and cadence were exactly the same level at around 4:30/km. The carbon shoe felt way stiffer and uncomfortable.... I think it's safe to say 99% of runners simply don't benefit from a carbon plate.... they're insanely expensive and not durable at all...
from what people and experts keep saying, carbon shoes give you about a 4% improvement on avrg in terms of time. which i think for elites is definitely important for poduium stuff. As for myself, using a metaspeed sky paris, i went from a 1.47h HM to a 1.33h HM. also managed to shave of about 10 min from my 10k pr. While eventually you have diminishing returns in terms of speed, i think the main goal of the carbon plated supershoes is energy return. If i can run at 7min/mile pace, but feel like im running like 8.30min/mile, thats a ton of benefit already.
There was a reddit post that really stuck with me that for regular runners carbon plated shoes maybe just be a placebo effect, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. If going into race day as a normal runner I feel very nervous but having on a pair of carbon plated shoes makes me feel more confident (assuming I’m not putting myself in financial strain by doing so since they are more expensive) then that is a real benefit
Bought my first pair of carbon shoes last December. Very first practice tempo run performed 20sec faster per km than normal. Was Blown away by this result. I can run a kilometer at my fastest speed in regular running shoes, but cannot hold that pace for multiple kilometers without the carbon shoes. I am an amateur older Runner, who now consistently places first or second in my division at every race.
I have saucony endorphin pros which I use for races and speed workouts, I find they make me slightly faster, the advantage I really find is recovery is better, I can race 10k and feel like I’ve just been for a jog after, whereas if I wear my regular new balance rebels, I really feel it even after 5k
Most of my run is easy run using non- carbon plated running shoes. Occasionally i used my Adidas Prime X for more tempo run . I avoid using carbon plated shoe regularly . There is no doubt you will run faster with carbon plated shoes if used correctly . It was meant for faster run . Using carbon plated shoes can be considered a legal mechanical doping to improve you run.
Really interesting analysis, Ive found most of the key points ro be true-keep up the good work! I went from vivobarefoot to Altra Vanish Carbon 1s for marathon race days about a year ago and seen 20min improvement. Im now using a non carbon altra for the bulk of my training now and have a parkrun pb in them. Ive got a new pair of the Altra Carbons for races and might start parkruning in the original pair to see if I can get the old parkrun pb down abit morebefore the end of the yr!
"I have a plantar plate injury, so I can only run in shoes with a stiff, less flexible forefoot rocker. As a result, carbon plate shoes are the only type I can run in. While there are some carbon plate shoes designed for running at a slow pace, like the Hoka Bondi X, my options are limited
Yes, I have read comments from older runners saying that Carbon shoes have resurrected their running carreers. Going from always injured to running pain free.
I'm about to run with the Saucony Pro 4s. I've used the Saucony Speed 2s (nylon plate, so a good intermediary between regular and carbon-plated shoes) on-and-off for 3 years...took a while to get used to them, but ran a half-marathon PB and I get significant speed increase as a slow and heavy runner. BUT I have had two major hip/groin injuries when I've run with them that put me out for many months, which I'm only just properly getting over 3 years later. Hard to say if the shoe was the culprit, but I reckon they're partly responsible; I was overtraining in the first case with an imbalanced diet, and undertrained yet overtraining in the second case so probably asking for injury. Plated shoes make you feel like you want to, and can, run faster even if you're not prepared. Be careful, and as was stated in this video, ease into them over many training sessions before you push their capabilities in heavy speedwork and races.
I have the Pro 3’s and save them for Half’s or Marathons im trying to PB and I really like them, Im a heavy runner as well..Im probably gonna get the 4’s next year
I think your comment about foam (in the beginning of the video) makes a lot of sense and PEBA(x) is certainly a very effective foam, but without a carbon (or fibre-glass) plate/rods they are very non stable. So in my view the plate/rods are more to create the stability and allow the use of these foams.
A very interesting video for me, thankyou. I got some Endorphin Pro 4 and did my first 10km race in them at the weekend. They felt really comfortable and I got a 45s PB despite first few km being quite congested. However my lower legs felt quite sore the next day and it took about 3 days to properly recover - I had been wondering if that was normal for carbon newbies! My plan was always to just do speed sessions and races in them, I think this was a good idea but realise it may take a little while to get used to them.
That's a picture of the Vaporfly 3, not the Alphafly.....On a side note, I have/have had 20 pairs of supershoes and only 3 have caused me pain, the most notable being the AF3's. Idk why they just tore my Achilles' up for weeks (maybe because I'm a heel striker). My podiatrist was useless. The Prime X Strung was really unstable and stressed my calves. The 1st iteration of the Metaspeed Sky gave me plantar fasciitis as it had less heel cushion. The Metaspeed sky/edge Paris rectified this issue and are very good.
Carbon shoes definitely give you an advantage. I would say that they can cause injuries but so can a regular running shoe that doesn't work for your gait cycle. I would stay away from carbon plated shoes for most of your training.
Certains élites l'utilisent tout le temps. Pour ma part 3/7 jours pour les séances de qualité uniquement bien sûr. Je vais essayer de les utiliser moins, mais pas facile quand je vois le chrono qui est bien meilleur avec et avec zéro courbatures le lendemain
I am far from elite and my research (with time trials) tells me that the Altra Vanish Tempo & Carbon / Saucony Endorphine speed 2 / Pro 2 help me run 5 to 10 kilometres around 15 to 20 seconds a kilometre faster than a variety of non plated shoes. A big advantage. As per what you covered off in the video, for those that say they have been injured wearing them, I'd ask did they wean them in appropriately or did they just switch straight from non plated shoes and try to do the same volume and intensity?
une question qui m'interroge : le pourcentage de coureurs qui utlisent cette technologie en trail ? Il y a certains détracteurs qui disent que certains élites l'utilisent en compétition
When you mentioned about carbon plated shoes, do you meant those with aggressive one like Nike Alphafly? What about those non-intrusive found in shoes such as Puma Deviate Nitro 3?
When you mention aggresive; aggresive for you maybe but not for everyone. I have a friend who trains and races soley in the Alphafly; he loves them. He says he finds them so comfortable, but yeah, he does have a very good running gait. Personally I don't like the fit of most Nike shoes, Carbon or not. I think the term aggresive could be used for Carbon versus Nylon plates, but there is a lot of variables, depending on the brand and runner.
Also: i can use myself as a case study for dumb injuries here. this year in march, i did a 120k in 2 days ultra. Easy. was fine. used like 3 shoes. a week later i was back going at it. Then my cities HM was at the door, and i decided i wanna break my 1.47h pr and actually crack the 1.30h. And so i got a metaspeed sky paris. Great shoe. Can only reccomend. Anyhow, i only did 2 runs in that shoe, both around 10k. before about 1 week later, i did finish at 1.33h. And not only managed to get shin splints, but also like ankle, tibialis shinanigans, because of course lol. 120k im fine. but the half marathon gave my legs the F U :D juuump to now. carbon plated shoes, like the sky and the edge are in my weekly rotaion. Also great shoes when you have some leg soreness or pain. the squishiness of the foam takes a ton of ground impact saving your ligaments and joins when sore or in pain, and the plate just helps with your running.
😂 but well done on the PB! That's so interesting - so, I wonder if they will eventually turn out to really help runners who, for instance, have arthritic knees... but of course, if they can manage to ease into them slowly enough.
I got tendonitis from speed sessions in carbon plates, however, I'd have got the same tendonitis doing speed sessions in non carbon plated shoes, it's just the speed session would have been slower, effort and strain would have been exactly the same. With tendonitis, the primeX strung, carbon plates + carbon rods +50mm stack, is the only shoe I can run in pain free.
Ha! I wondered if anyone would spot that 😅 it was the only stock pic of an elite winning a race I could find so decided to settle for simbolism of winninig
Don’t know if it’s related but I was a bit of a plodder but was consistent, using the park run 5k as a gauge I used to manage about 35 minutes. I then lost a bit of weight picked up on the training and bought a pair of ‘go faster’ shoes with the nylon plate…crikey it was like my feet were spring loaded and I knocked ten minutes off my park run, my other distances improved exponentially, I was really going for it, then disaster, nearly a year ago came to a grinding halt, back pain, thigh pain, couldn’t run, struggled to walk. Went to PT which improved things, went for a hip x ray, told I had severe wear and tear to my hip…haven’t run for nearly a year…done all the hip exercises…just started going back to the gym to try and strengthen muscles around the hip and leg…think I may have injury to hip flexors…can walk on tread mill but still painful to put weight on when trying to run…I’m 67…been running for ever, never any problems, then….🤔🤔🤔
@@SportsInjuryPhysio …it never occurred to me until watching your video that these types of shoe ‘could’ cause issues. I know in the past we’ve all got a shoe that after a while we don’t feel are comfortable and we go out and by a different brand, but these shoes, the Saucony Endorphin 2 felt very good, apart from the cushioning not being as stable when stationary as other shoes, so as my times started to improve, I then ‘went for it’ trying to constantly better my previous PB and I’m wondering if over doing it, plus possibly, the type of shoe, has caused the issues I have now. Up until last year at the ripe old age of 66/67, I was running 24:30 for a 5k which I didn’t think was bad, but maybe I’ve got carried away a bit🙂
I'm a bit confused by this video. Carbon plated shoes are definitely not as flexible as so-called normal shoes, at least in the toe spring direction. Some are less stable but not all. I started out running in the Saucony Endorphin Speed, with a plastic plate and then transitioned to a Endorphin Pro. I developed knee pain almost immediately after running in the Nike Invincibles, a max cushioned shoe with ZoomX but no plate, so I'm not sure what that means.
I think it just underlines how different people are. I'm finding it super interesting to read how certain brands work for some people and others are getting injuries in them.
I have the Vaporfly 1 and don't like them at all, I also have the Metaspeed Sky+, which are ok, but my favourite so-called supershoe is the Endorphin Pro, I've run in the 1, 2 & 3 with great success, although the 3 is the best so far. I'm only just back running after a long lay-off from a misdiagnosed medial meniscus tear, so haven't run any races in almost a year. I doubt I will be buying anymore supershoes for a while.
J'adore les plaques carbone. A l'avenir je vais essayer de moins les acheter (qu'elles restent cheres ça me freine), car je trouve que c'est un peu tricher. Je vais plutot m'orienter sur des paires légères qui a les remplacer souvent si elles s'usent vite. J'ai été étonnée par exemple de mes chronos avec les Rincon 3 et Craft endurance trail. Peut être qu'au final, en ayant des chaussures hyper confortables et légères cela fera le travail d'une chaussure carbone. Le seul petit reproche de cette technologie : le manque de confort (sauf Puma). C'est normal, la semelle est rigide donc le pied n'a pas vraiment un travail naturel de flexion de la voute plantaire
@@mathieudube6907 Speed is not the only performance indicator. If that would have been the case, Adidas would not have been wining all the marathons right now. Most racers now want to feel more secure than fast to increase the longevity of their health. Nike racing shoe designs are not for every running foot, you need to have a certain ideal foot landing position to be able to love/enjoy these shoes. I think a runner's feet are more secure/stable in the present year Saucony's.
@@mathieudube6907 Speed is not the only performance indicator. If that would have been the case, Adidas would not have been wining all the marathons right now. Most racers now want to feel more secure than fast to increase the longevity of their health. Nike racing shoe designs are not for every running foot, you need to have a certain ideal foot position to be able to love/enjoy these shoes. I think a runner's feet are more secure/stable in the present year Saucony's.
@@mathieudube6907 And you clearly saw that elite runners only benefit by a fraction of a second in terms of speed wearing plated shoes. So, your endurance and strength is what really helps you finish a race. So, at the end whether a runner wins or loses, if the runner gets injured he will have to stop training for many months and also lose out on other major Marathons of that season or their career. So a fraction of speed can't overtake health and safety overall...is the current 2024 runner's mindset.
The problem with plated shoes goes beyond the plate itslef but the design of the sole. These don't have much if any stability and unless you're really moving you're probably better off with more stable trainer for most long slow runs. That's why you keep training in these too faster efforts.
👉 Here are Amazon links to the carbon plate running shoes tested in the research study that I discuss in the video. I linked to the overall models because the model versions change so fast that the current ones will soon be outdated.
✅ Nike Alphafly: geni.us/jcp1
✅ Asics Metaspeed Sky: geni.us/5wuF
✅ Nike Vaporfly: geni.us/odAF
✅ Saucony Endorphin Pro: geni.us/GAoHm3a
✅ New Balance RC Elite: geni.us/uxaYs
✅ Hoka Rocket X: geni.us/z0hB2
✅ Brooks Hyperion Elite: geni.us/NAnqlS
If you buy anything via these links, we may get a small commission at no extra cost to you.
I'm not a fast runner by any means, my 5k is just above 20min.
And oh boy, when I first laced up the Vaporfly I immediately saw a clear difference in my speed at the same effort compared to all the non carbon-plated shoes I run in.
I do most of my easy runs in different Nike shoes which all have the same foam, the only other difference is weight. With the Alphafly I get a springy toe off which no other shoe gives me.
And I must say that I feel that my legs get a real beating when I do tempo sessions in the Vaporfly shoes. With other shoes I'm usually out of breath before the legs start to really hurt. I absolutely do believe that these shoes are not for beginners and you need to ease into them, they definitely caused me soreness which I haven't felt in a long time when I first started using them.
Thanks for sharing!
From what i've heard and read, carbon shoes only make a 2-4% difference for "elite" runners that means a carbon shoe has basically almost no effect if you're running slower than 4min/km. I've recently tested the Metaspeed Edge+ against Superblast 2 and my times (5K/10k) and cadence were exactly the same level at around 4:30/km. The carbon shoe felt way stiffer and uncomfortable.... I think it's safe to say 99% of runners simply don't benefit from a carbon plate.... they're insanely expensive and not durable at all...
Best, most helpful scientific info and advice I have found on carbon plated shoes. Thanks so much for a well researched, clearly presented video 👍
Glad it was helpful!
This is a great topic! And I love all of your critical thinking about all the variables that some may overlook. Great video!
from what people and experts keep saying, carbon shoes give you about a 4% improvement on avrg in terms of time. which i think for elites is definitely important for poduium stuff.
As for myself, using a metaspeed sky paris, i went from a 1.47h HM to a 1.33h HM. also managed to shave of about 10 min from my 10k pr.
While eventually you have diminishing returns in terms of speed, i think the main goal of the carbon plated supershoes is energy return. If i can run at 7min/mile pace, but feel like im running like 8.30min/mile, thats a ton of benefit already.
There was a reddit post that really stuck with me that for regular runners carbon plated shoes maybe just be a placebo effect, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. If going into race day as a normal runner I feel very nervous but having on a pair of carbon plated shoes makes me feel more confident (assuming I’m not putting myself in financial strain by doing so since they are more expensive) then that is a real benefit
Bought my first pair of carbon shoes last December. Very first practice tempo run performed 20sec faster per km than normal. Was Blown away by this result.
I can run a kilometer at my fastest speed in regular running shoes, but cannot hold that pace for multiple kilometers without the carbon shoes. I am an amateur older Runner, who now consistently places first or second in my division at every race.
Thanks for sharing!
I have saucony endorphin pros which I use for races and speed workouts, I find they make me slightly faster, the advantage I really find is recovery is better, I can race 10k and feel like I’ve just been for a jog after, whereas if I wear my regular new balance rebels, I really feel it even after 5k
Oh wow! Now, that's nearly more appealing than anything else!
Thank you very much! I appreciated your video very much. It is really profound and well presented. 😊
You're very welcome!
Most of my run is easy run using non- carbon plated running shoes.
Occasionally i used my Adidas Prime X for more tempo run .
I avoid using carbon plated shoe regularly .
There is no doubt you will run faster with carbon plated shoes if used correctly . It was meant for faster run . Using carbon plated shoes can be considered a legal mechanical doping to improve you run.
Out of interest - how did you decide on the Adidas Prime X? I get a bit overwhelmed looking at all the choices.
oui, je considère également ces chaussures comme un dopage, quand je vois mes chronos avec et sans carbone, y a pas photo
Really interesting analysis, Ive found most of the key points ro be true-keep up the good work! I went from vivobarefoot to Altra Vanish Carbon 1s for marathon race days about a year ago and seen 20min improvement. Im now using a non carbon altra for the bulk of my training now and have a parkrun pb in them. Ive got a new pair of the Altra Carbons for races and might start parkruning in the original pair to see if I can get the old parkrun pb down abit morebefore the end of the yr!
20 min! Nice!
"I have a plantar plate injury, so I can only run in shoes with a stiff, less flexible forefoot rocker. As a result, carbon plate shoes are the only type I can run in. While there are some carbon plate shoes designed for running at a slow pace, like the Hoka Bondi X, my options are limited
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Yes, I have read comments from older runners saying that Carbon shoes have resurrected their running carreers.
Going from always injured to running pain free.
very useful madam! indeed
I'm about to run with the Saucony Pro 4s. I've used the Saucony Speed 2s (nylon plate, so a good intermediary between regular and carbon-plated shoes) on-and-off for 3 years...took a while to get used to them, but ran a half-marathon PB and I get significant speed increase as a slow and heavy runner.
BUT I have had two major hip/groin injuries when I've run with them that put me out for many months, which I'm only just properly getting over 3 years later. Hard to say if the shoe was the culprit, but I reckon they're partly responsible; I was overtraining in the first case with an imbalanced diet, and undertrained yet overtraining in the second case so probably asking for injury.
Plated shoes make you feel like you want to, and can, run faster even if you're not prepared. Be careful, and as was stated in this video, ease into them over many training sessions before you push their capabilities in heavy speedwork and races.
Thank you for sharing! Always good to hear from people who have experience with something.
I have the Speed 2's and the Pro 2's, I find both very good.
I have the Pro 3’s and save them for Half’s or Marathons im trying to PB and I really like them, Im a heavy runner as well..Im probably gonna get the 4’s next year
I think your comment about foam (in the beginning of the video) makes a lot of sense and PEBA(x) is certainly a very effective foam, but without a carbon (or fibre-glass) plate/rods they are very non stable. So in my view the plate/rods are more to create the stability and allow the use of these foams.
Makes sense
A very interesting video for me, thankyou. I got some Endorphin Pro 4 and did my first 10km race in them at the weekend. They felt really comfortable and I got a 45s PB despite first few km being quite congested. However my lower legs felt quite sore the next day and it took about 3 days to properly recover - I had been wondering if that was normal for carbon newbies! My plan was always to just do speed sessions and races in them, I think this was a good idea but realise it may take a little while to get used to them.
Thanks for watching and sharing!
That's a picture of the Vaporfly 3, not the Alphafly.....On a side note, I have/have had 20 pairs of supershoes and only 3 have caused me pain, the most notable being the AF3's. Idk why they just tore my Achilles' up for weeks (maybe because I'm a heel striker). My podiatrist was useless. The Prime X Strung was really unstable and stressed my calves. The 1st iteration of the Metaspeed Sky gave me plantar fasciitis as it had less heel cushion. The Metaspeed sky/edge
Paris rectified this issue and are very good.
Thanks for sharing! It is interesting to read how different ones affects different people. And yes, I might have confused my 🪰🪰a bit 🙈
Carbon shoes definitely give you an advantage. I would say that they can cause injuries but so can a regular running shoe that doesn't work for your gait cycle. I would stay away from carbon plated shoes for most of your training.
Terrible advice training in carbon plated shoes is incredibly beneficial
Certains élites l'utilisent tout le temps. Pour ma part 3/7 jours pour les séances de qualité uniquement bien sûr. Je vais essayer de les utiliser moins, mais pas facile quand je vois le chrono qui est bien meilleur avec et avec zéro courbatures le lendemain
I am far from elite and my research (with time trials) tells me that the Altra Vanish Tempo & Carbon / Saucony Endorphine speed 2 / Pro 2 help me run 5 to 10 kilometres around 15 to 20 seconds a kilometre faster than a variety of non plated shoes. A big advantage.
As per what you covered off in the video, for those that say they have been injured wearing them, I'd ask did they wean them in appropriately or did they just switch straight from non plated shoes and try to do the same volume and intensity?
Thanks for sharing!
une question qui m'interroge : le pourcentage de coureurs qui utlisent cette technologie en trail ? Il y a certains détracteurs qui disent que certains élites l'utilisent en compétition
Wow, it must take a lot of practice to actually safely run with them on trails!
When you mentioned about carbon plated shoes, do you meant those with aggressive one like Nike Alphafly? What about those non-intrusive found in shoes such as Puma Deviate Nitro 3?
I have no idea what aggressive vs. non-intrusive means 😅 The shoes I list in the Best Brands section are what was typically listed in the studies.
When you mention aggresive; aggresive for you maybe but not for everyone.
I have a friend who trains and races soley in the Alphafly; he loves them. He says he finds them so comfortable, but yeah, he does have a very good running gait.
Personally I don't like the fit of most Nike shoes, Carbon or not.
I think the term aggresive could be used for Carbon versus Nylon plates, but there is a lot of variables, depending on the brand and runner.
Also: i can use myself as a case study for dumb injuries here.
this year in march, i did a 120k in 2 days ultra. Easy. was fine. used like 3 shoes. a week later i was back going at it.
Then my cities HM was at the door, and i decided i wanna break my 1.47h pr and actually crack the 1.30h. And so i got a metaspeed sky paris. Great shoe. Can only reccomend.
Anyhow, i only did 2 runs in that shoe, both around 10k. before about 1 week later, i did finish at 1.33h. And not only managed to get shin splints, but also like ankle, tibialis shinanigans, because of course lol. 120k im fine. but the half marathon gave my legs the F U :D
juuump to now. carbon plated shoes, like the sky and the edge are in my weekly rotaion. Also great shoes when you have some leg soreness or pain. the squishiness of the foam takes a ton of ground impact saving your ligaments and joins when sore or in pain, and the plate just helps with your running.
😂 but well done on the PB!
That's so interesting - so, I wonder if they will eventually turn out to really help runners who, for instance, have arthritic knees... but of course, if they can manage to ease into them slowly enough.
I got tendonitis from speed sessions in carbon plates, however, I'd have got the same tendonitis doing speed sessions in non carbon plated shoes, it's just the speed session would have been slower, effort and strain would have been exactly the same.
With tendonitis, the primeX strung, carbon plates + carbon rods +50mm stack, is the only shoe I can run in pain free.
🙈 good to know!
Hello, the photo of the “winner” is Vaporfly and not Alphafly. Otherwise, great video.
Ha! I wondered if anyone would spot that 😅 it was the only stock pic of an elite winning a race I could find so decided to settle for simbolism of winninig
Don’t know if it’s related but I was a bit of a plodder but was consistent, using the park run 5k as a gauge I used to manage about 35 minutes. I then lost a bit of weight picked up on the training and bought a pair of ‘go faster’ shoes with the nylon plate…crikey it was like my feet were spring loaded and I knocked ten minutes off my park run, my other distances improved exponentially, I was really going for it, then disaster, nearly a year ago came to a grinding halt, back pain, thigh pain, couldn’t run, struggled to walk. Went to PT which improved things, went for a hip x ray, told I had severe wear and tear to my hip…haven’t run for nearly a year…done all the hip exercises…just started going back to the gym to try and strengthen muscles around the hip and leg…think I may have injury to hip flexors…can walk on tread mill but still painful to put weight on when trying to run…I’m 67…been running for ever, never any problems, then….🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for sharing, and good luck with your recovery.
@@SportsInjuryPhysio …it never occurred to me until watching your video that these types of shoe ‘could’ cause issues. I know in the past we’ve all got a shoe that after a while we don’t feel are comfortable and we go out and by a different brand, but these shoes, the Saucony Endorphin 2 felt very good, apart from the cushioning not being as stable when stationary as other shoes, so as my times started to improve, I then ‘went for it’ trying to constantly better my previous PB and I’m wondering if over doing it, plus possibly, the type of shoe, has caused the issues I have now. Up until last year at the ripe old age of 66/67, I was running 24:30 for a 5k which I didn’t think was bad, but maybe I’ve got carried away a bit🙂
I'm a bit confused by this video. Carbon plated shoes are definitely not as flexible as so-called normal shoes, at least in the toe spring direction. Some are less stable but not all. I started out running in the Saucony Endorphin Speed, with a plastic plate and then transitioned to a Endorphin Pro. I developed knee pain almost immediately after running in the Nike Invincibles, a max cushioned shoe with ZoomX but no plate, so I'm not sure what that means.
I think it just underlines how different people are. I'm finding it super interesting to read how certain brands work for some people and others are getting injuries in them.
I have the Vaporfly 1 and don't like them at all, I also have the Metaspeed Sky+, which are ok, but my favourite so-called supershoe is the Endorphin Pro, I've run in the 1, 2 & 3 with great success, although the 3 is the best so far. I'm only just back running after a long lay-off from a misdiagnosed medial meniscus tear, so haven't run any races in almost a year. I doubt I will be buying anymore supershoes for a while.
J'adore les plaques carbone. A l'avenir je vais essayer de moins les acheter (qu'elles restent cheres ça me freine), car je trouve que c'est un peu tricher. Je vais plutot m'orienter sur des paires légères qui a les remplacer souvent si elles s'usent vite. J'ai été étonnée par exemple de mes chronos avec les Rincon 3 et Craft endurance trail. Peut être qu'au final, en ayant des chaussures hyper confortables et légères cela fera le travail d'une chaussure carbone. Le seul petit reproche de cette technologie : le manque de confort (sauf Puma). C'est normal, la semelle est rigide donc le pied n'a pas vraiment un travail naturel de flexion de la voute plantaire
Saucony is the best... it has the best design because of the stability and comfort. Nike may be fast but very unstable.
Thanks for sharing
How can Saucony be better if Nike are faster? Isnt speed the single and only performance indicator of C/F racing shoes?
@@mathieudube6907 Speed is not the only performance indicator. If that would have been the case, Adidas would not have been wining all the marathons right now. Most racers now want to feel more secure than fast to increase the longevity of their health. Nike racing shoe designs are not for every running foot, you need to have a certain ideal foot landing position to be able to love/enjoy these shoes. I think a runner's feet are more secure/stable in the present year Saucony's.
@@mathieudube6907 Speed is not the only performance indicator. If that would have been the case, Adidas would not have been wining all the marathons right now. Most racers now want to feel more secure than fast to increase the longevity of their health. Nike racing shoe designs are not for every running foot, you need to have a certain ideal foot position to be able to love/enjoy these shoes. I think a runner's feet are more secure/stable in the present year Saucony's.
@@mathieudube6907 And you clearly saw that elite runners only benefit by a fraction of a second in terms of speed wearing plated shoes. So, your endurance and strength is what really helps you finish a race.
So, at the end whether a runner wins or loses, if the runner gets injured he will have to stop training for many months and also lose out on other major Marathons of that season or their career.
So a fraction of speed can't overtake health and safety overall...is the current 2024 runner's mindset.
The problem with plated shoes goes beyond the plate itslef but the design of the sole. These don't have much if any stability and unless you're really moving you're probably better off with more stable trainer for most long slow runs. That's why you keep training in these too faster efforts.
Do a collab with DOR
Hey, somekne used hateful speech in your video about bone bruises towards me. Is there a ye ay to get it removed? I've reported it to UA-cam. Thanks.
Hi @iridiumvalkyrie9017 I think I've removed and blocked the person you mentioned. Please can you let me know if it is still there.
@@SportsInjuryPhysio I checked and the comment is gone now. Thank you. Best!
they dont do anything for the average runner , get off the gravy train :)