@@UtubeH8tr Nah, we only need a common enemy. Something that forces us to join under a common banner. As long as we keep thinking that we are the most powerful and advanced creature we keep fighting with each other.
@@Moukula Look at the Red menace Commie scare and german reich regime. Worked for a while, then 70's hippies generation came in and quashed it along with nuclear energy.
The only reason we don´t get along on a global scale is because our leaders constantly fight about resources and territory. If someone like the Romans had actually succeeded in conquering the world and we all had one language, culture and leader who divided resources according to the greater good of the entire empire we would have little reason to fight with one another on a large scale.
It's odd that we speculate about the existence of such civilizations and how to find them without considering that any civilization at this stage will inevitably have already found us.
well just think about a type 2 civilization encountering a 0.73 type civilization would be a waste of time for them. We are soo technologically behind compared to a civilization that can harness the energy of the sun. It would be like humans encountering ants building their ant mounds and gathering blades of grass. Wed get bored and move on in a minute. lol
If a Type 2 civilization was so good at harnessing energy, wouldn’t it be a solid hypothesis that they would not emit much infrared radiation because it is being harnessed?
Wrong. It would emit SO MUCH infrared radiation. All that waste heat would be infrared. You cannot trap that waste without killing everything you made, including yourself. And that would just ensure the waste escaped then. It's not that you wouldn't bother to harness it but you cannot harness it.
If there are "scientists" who added 4 more types to an existing THEORY, then they're also based upon hypothetical postulations, too. Complete fantasy sci-fi.
I remember when I was a boy I talked to my grandfather about alien life and the galaxy. He would tell me that while he didn't see why alien life couldn't exist outside our solar system he hoped we'd never find out. When I asked why he explained that any peaceful civilization would see us a mile away and would give a wide berth, they'd deem us as to warlike and dangerous. They'd be fearful that we get their technology and begin a conquest of the universe. The other option would be a warlike species who would come to earth for the raw resources and would see humanity as nothing more than ants in their backyard. Even then, he explained, then destroying us and getting resources would be more of an afterthought as Earth just isn't that big and it's resources likely wouldn't be worth the limited effort to come and wipe us out when there's trillions of other planets out there that are far larger with much more resources. As such unless a species was just starting exploration and was hopelessly naïve and stumbled across us hoping to reform our people into a peace loving civilization, it's likely that no other alien civilization would ever make contact. They would find us, document our location (perhaps kidnap a few people for test) and then go about there day as if a scientist on earth found a new type of fish. I always thought about that as I've gotten older and the older I get the more I agree with what he said, and the more I'm thankful that humanity is, for now, simply to inconsequential for anyone to worry with if they are there to begin with.
What if the alien civilization has progressed as much as ours did? I guess it all comes down to what makes their *thinking organs* tick. I don't think humanity has still answered the question of "why we fight?", yet we expect aliens civilizations to do better. We have no idea of how intelligent alien life would develop their conciousness. Will they be a united peaceful planet, exploring the universe? or will they be as confused as we are? Do we consider human civilization as one civilization? I guess the majority of people don't. We are spread through different countries, economies, languages, customs. The part of the world we deem as the most "advanced" is only doing slightly better than the rest, concerning killing each other and hoarding weapons. We still fight over the resources in our planet, heck, we fight over resources that we have invented (money!). How do we expect alines to better us? I think, if we meet our counterparts - we will just start another cold war soon after. It's always a story of "us" and "them", unfortunately.
@anton161817 I think he is right. According to theology, human can't see Alien (people from another planet) because human can be a sinner. We always make sins, a simple sins like lying to ourselves is also counted. Other species can see us, but they don't have anything with us, they are very far different than us, and don't want to make any contact, they just want to live, and they don't know how to make sins. Also God forbid them to encounter us.
I have two big theories about Alien: 1. They have very different physique and need than us. For example, we drink water, they drink gas. They drink diamonds, we drink water. Their body shape will be according to what they eat, drink, and their enviroment. Maybe some Alien live on the sun, they drink heat from the sun, we call if absorb but they think that's how they eat, and their digest and body shape also different than us. 2. I read on Bible, there is a word, I forget what Testament, it said "We will go to father's house". Maybe we are on the middle of journey with galaxy as our plane. It is not just us, other species with different body shape and needs on another solar system but in the same galaxy. We don't know that this is a spaceship. An enviromental spaceship with renewable energy.
@@vivian9399 lolll they drink diamonds?? No aliens don't eat or drink in the 3rd dimension they are multidimensional just like we are but they were never from an outside source they have been around longer than us on this planet
the kardashev scale is only based on energy. there are many other factors that can be considered for rating a civilization. the problem of classifying a civilization purely by energy consumption may lead to some odd comparisons; with some cultures landing in the same category despite having vastly different sizes and capabilities. its good to look at other versions of the kardashev scale and other scales entirely to get a more complete picture.
@@HighlanderCounsellinghow finely can a civilisation manipulate and harness its environment:- Type 0 can only manipulate bulk mass , they use catapults as their strongest weapons can build structures ranging from mammoth skin and bone huts to stone cities, their primary fuel is wood and maybe animal fats Type 1 uses advanced chemical fuels like coal and oil and can control bulk mass better like using steel to build skyscrapers, their characteristic technology is gun power ! They also use chemical rockets for space travel Type 2 has discovered fission and fusion and want to use it for everything ( we had skipped this phase but we are now circling back) Type 2 can control its environment even finer by going beyond chemical bonds into the atom itself. They can also mine space and have fusion on the high end. Type 3 has mastered the atom so completely that they can use cold fusion routinely virtually ending poverty overnight. Type 3 also uses lasers and plasma a lot. They probably dont have any turbines or noisy engines , they use plasma to move the air or water itself,they can afford this because of their vast energy reserves Type 3 defining technology is transmutation, they can easily transform one element into another as needed They probably cannot afford to fight because they have all cold fusion bombs Type 3 can afford permanent human settlement in space Type 4 has truly mastered physical materials, literally everything they use is a metamaterial, their technology is so efficient they can power a house with a piece of wood for a year without using nuclear technology. Their vehicles are so strong and aerodynamic, they can cross the planet using energy of a normal car battery. At their apex they have nanorobots which can do anything and i mean anything!! Type 5 can utilize and manipulate quantum effects as the basis of their civilization, they have things like super conductors as a normal thing and can transmit more than just information via quantum means, they transmit energy itself, Type 5 is the level of biological mastery, they have artificial photosynthesis that can feed the entire planet using one square km of land, they probably also use biological computing and can cure any disease in seconds Control of quantum level allows many impossible things i can't list them all Type 6 is the level that can pinch the space-time itself and use it regularly. Forexample this type used gravitational waves for communication and sensing among other things i probably can't imagine They may also find it as easy to use zero point energy as we currently use hydropower This types nuclear control is so advanced they can also build antimatter and use it like normal fuel Type7 can truly dominate spacetime such that they can have scifi like artificial gravity on their spaceships, this is the first true space faring civilization, thats what that level of control allows They frequently levitate stuff and can do things only possible in cartoons Type8 is the type which knows what dark energy or dark matter is and can harness it. This level can travel the entire universe without limitations because at the speed of light is no longer a limit. So as you see the kardashev scale is a rather crude and innacurate measure pf advancement of civilization. Total Energy doesn't really Reveal just what a civilisation is capable of
I posted above that I think a good scale is the level of EXPLORATION of the universe (or universes or dimensions etc) that a civilization has proven itself capable of. For example, we have fully explored our own world (not internally and maybe not fully in some hard to reach areas like deep sea trenches), sent people to our moon, sent unmanned probes to other parts of our solar system, one of them past our solar system and soon (maybe 30 years?) people to MARS. A problem I have with defining advancement only with "energy control" is what if a world builds a machine of some kind that sends its citizens out to explore other star systems but unlike that bullcrap Michio Kaku spits out they cannot "control the weather" and "play with stars". Should we not consider them advanced? I think LEVEL OF EXPLORATION ACHIEVED should be how advancement is judged or at least ONE of the scales.
Dyson spheres sound outlandish. I'm surprised they come up so much in these discussions. When a civilization gets to the point that they'd even have the technology to create a Dyson sphere, I'm pretty sure they would have learned more practical ways to harness large amounts of energy.
You sure about that? I wouldn’t be *except that the better ideas are mods to the original idea. This video is too exaggerated and stupid for me to watch so I’m not sure what he actually describes.
@@BravoRoxyou must not have learned a lot of physics, astronomy, engine theory, etc. there’s many separate reasons why it’s the best solution to different dimensions of the power plant problem. So you’re wrong in a bunch of ways, if you insult me enough I might just explain them to you to help your brain wrinkle up a bit.
That's what I'm saying. If we can travel the cosmos to gather the materials for the sphere, I'm sure we could find better way to harvest energy at that point.
The more we look far in the universe, the younger the universe we see, this could be the most possible reason why we are not able to observe such high type civilizations or intelligent lives...when at the same time it might exist, we are simply looking too backward in time..💀
We cannot see them but they can see us, they should already know about us because worm holes were createdbby them in their earlier stage of civilization but they do not want to interfere, just like you don't care about flies in your garden.
no, not quite, its just as OP says, the further out you look, the further back your seeing, so even IF the Ay-lmaos could see us, they wouldnt being seeing "US" they would be seeing us as we WERE Xbillion years ago@@ivanalexandrinmatala3362
My biggest issue with the kardeshev scale is it makes way too many assumptions. Such as the need for a “Dyson Sphere” or “Dyson Swarm” for example. That’s only including the first three. The latter four are all purely theoretical as they rely on the existence of entirely unproven concepts.
@horridwilting640 Yeah these people be like "oh religion is false, I'm smarter than that" and then believe the BS in this video based on faith alone, pretty ironic XD
People always say how lucky we are to live during this generation but could you imagine if we were born when humans were a type 5 or 6 civilization if we ever acheive that
So do you really think a civilisation of type 5 or type 6 would resort to such a way of so called reproduction... Like in my wildest dreams i would never think that any civilisation of such level capable of Multiverse if not intergalactic travel would reproduce and resort to sex 😂
Hard to say, when it comes to beings that are not bound by space, by time and by our universe. Although they may not be altogether omniscient, they will undoubtedly understand everything there is to know about the laws of the universe/multiverse.
Wouldn't be humans and the rate of change and discovery would be similar. You see how quick ChatGPT has grown? Just wait until there are consumer humanoid robots. Even if you were type 6 would you have those endless resources at your disposal? It's going to be a while before I can afford to launch myself into space let alone the moon.
We couldnt even fathom such a civilization. It's just as silly as watching old black white movies that showed what the 21st century would look like. 🤣🤣🤣
My theory is that alien civilizations get along well enough and made a promise not to interfere with other civilizations not yet developed enough to make contact and truly explore space. They would most certainly be aware of us, perhaps even studying us but refusing to interfere. I mean, why should they in the first place? What would an advanced civilization need from us that they wouldn’t already have?
Star Trek's prime directive isn't all fiction. And keep in mind that with the possible scope of ET races that might be all out there, would they all follow the same doctrine?
@@drakearvidsson6936 we do not suck as species. Some humans are awful, but as a whole species we're an amazing one. We care enough about each other that we cure them and treat their illnesses, we sacrifice our lives for the ones we love so they can live. We do not suck as a species
@@johnfkennedy8281you must be proud of being a human eh. Do you show off in front of animals because you are a human. There’s still so much sh*t going on in the world that’s why we still suck. Human beings are so egoistic and greedy it’s crazy. Unlike animals we know what right or wrong but we still do many bad things
Not only are we too primitive of a civilization, we're also extremely close minded. We think everything revolves around us and the physics that we invented. In the grand scheme of things we literally arent even a spec of dust relative to the universe and the billions of galaxies that exist. If physics is a toolkit, then there absolutely has to be bigger and better toolkits out there.
@@ryanhughes1101it’s absolutely a positive trait when it comes to survival as a species on a galactic scale. I don’t give a shit about eradicating a hostile race of aliens as long as humans continue to survive. Shit, i’d vontuneer to press the button for it
That's my problem with religion, it feels like we're assuming our tiny earth is the main narrative. I don't think we are anything but a random planet somwhere, far far far from the center of the universe. I grew up in Sweden though, almost everyone is atheist here so I just wanna think logically and think what may be out there. If there is a creator of sorts, then our planet is just one of billions of billions. Not very special probably :) But that doesn't make life less beautiful to me.
Im pretty sure type 7 civilization is even more powerful than our god, since they doesn’t even care about little cells like us, and our “gods” will at least be boring enough to set up religions
Kind of weird how the Type 7 civilization used to fit with my idea of God when I was younger. I mean technically it could still work now. Like what if there is a civilization so advanced that they are the ones that created our universe. A scientific "God" rather then a religious one.
@@gainfrompainrecordlabel3229pretending to have read a book will reveal you've never read it. Judeo christian God said he created the universe, not a space traveler. First chapter of Genesis.
@@SavedByGrace1987 Kmt then explain what this god is,is he some supernatural person s that has the world in his hands and no the word god was mistranslated its a plural word that means those from above that’s y in genesis it says let us now make man in our own image, if the god/gods in the Bible not space travelers then explain Ezekiel wheels within wheels,Jacobs ladder,or Elijah’s chariot of fire,don’t respond to my comment until you have a logical explanation
@@gainfrompainrecordlabel3229 first off apologies, my response was a bit rude. Revelation is a good book to read, last book of the bible as well. The universe starts to unravel etc., and in genesis he makes it. Time light, matter. God is Eternal, and outside of time, and the laws of physics that exist here. He says to these prophets like moses and others that he always was. Hd made it all so he has to be outside of it. I don't think they are made of the same things we are made of. We have no idea what type of matter if its even matter at all. God is something different. The Angels are created though. Other dimensions i guess. So God ks not a traveler he's the Creator. Yeah i know i went down those rabbit holes with the ancient aliens and chariots of the gods too, its interesting, but you're not getting the whole story. Yeah God is three persons, Jesus the Father, and the Holy spirit. Jesus referred to the father and the holy spirit, and himself as three different persons, but he also said he was from everlasting.
As soon as you started talking about the dyson sphere i thought to myself "We would never be able to construct that at this current rate because all of earth would have to work together and currently theres some pretty evil vile world leaders out there that would never let that happen"
Dyson spheres are retarded anyways. “Hey let’s capture all the energy of a sun, that totally doesn’t need to be distributed amongst a solar system for like, terrestrial life and climates and shit, all this is here for us to take and use right now because we know best, look at what we made”
You think world leaders are the issue? It’s the rich. The people with unlimited money behind the scene pulling the strings of your puppets you call world leaders.
I went to a Kardishev Scale website a few weeks back and according to the Kardishev Scale Wiki the Q continuum from Star Trek Next Gen only just barely qualify for a 5 (they are on the very low end of the 5 scale). Because this scale is so mega exponential each level totals the one below it. A 6 totals a 5 and a 7 totals a 6 so a 7 would completely dwarf a 5. If the Q were ever to encounter a 7 level race they would seem like Gods to the Q much as the Q seem like gods to humans. Imagine if after all those years of tormenting and "testing" Picard a being from a level 7 civilization decided to have Q play "games" with him? That would be IRONIC.
That doesn't make any sense since the Q can travel through time at will, making them a type 6 civilization. Not to mention the overcoming of cause and effect limitations. The very lesson Q was trying to teach Picard in the last two episodes of TNG.
I hope with all my heart that we never encounter another species. In my opinion we are a total failure as a species and if we ever did encounter another one, we’d either find a way to exploit them, if they were less advanced, or we’d take their advanced technology and find ways to use it against each other. We’d find ways to weaponise anything! I think we’d be a blight on any other species!
There is a major assumption here that a civilization so technologically advanced would still depend on extracting solar energy. This is just us projecting our understanding of current physics onto a larger scale, but in all probability, there will be far simpler ways to extract more energy, such as antimatter collision or zero-point vacuum energy that are already being theorized by scientists today.
That's the wrong way to think about energy generation. Antimatter collision does indeed convert mass into energy with effectively 100% efficiency - except that's only one tiny piece of the puzzle. First you need to actually get some antimatter, which doesn't seem to be very abundant in this universe. Making antimatter yourself, for example in a particle accelerator, wastes a million times more energy. Second you need to store the antimatter, which would also be energetically costly. Third, a mechanism that controls the release of antimatter and contains all the energy released. Fourth, a means of converting that energy into useful work.
The reason stars are worth extracting energy from is because they're "naturally occurring" - most importantly you only need to worry about the energy harvesting part of the equation. There are other major benefits of course - stars are incredibly stable, and as they're already burning, it would be a waste not to use the energy they generate.
Almost all of the ways of theoretically generating energy are totally infeasible for actually doing useful work (in the technical sense). Not to say humanity couldn't be missing something - obviously there's a lot we still don't know - but physicists with a love for sci fi aren't blind, they have a good idea of what does and doesn't work.
@@GeekProdigyGuyyeah what does and doesnt work according to our understanding of things, what the original comment is basically saying is that we are projecting our own human theories onto these possible civilizations that are so much further advanced than anything we could possibly imagine, not to mention the fact that they would originate from a part of the universe that is completely different than ours, and so we have no idea what is and isn't capable
@@charlesguillergan8759 IMO, that's only a reasonable thing for sci-fi writers. Anybody can assume anything about the universe. Especially if you are invoking a well-understood concept like antimatter, you should at least take into account what we already know about it.
If type 2 civilizations block the sun, wont that effect other planets in the solar system? This would potentially have some pretty significant effects?
more like control the flux of energy of the star, of can redirect light to warm distant objects like Mars. Also the quantity of materials needed can lead to planetary disassembly.
Yes but not like you think. We'd need to use those planets to build a device that large since the entirety of earth simply isn't big enough to provide to raw materials. Jupiter is the only planet that we can't live without. That's because it's gravity keeps the majority of planet destroying objects from hitting earth. But if humans gain the knowledge to build such a device as a Dyson sphere we probably can figure out how to keep planet destroying objects from hitting earth as well. Who really knows though. It's all theoretical wishful thinking at this point.
Blocking the sun entirely would have significant consequences for our solar system regardless of whether a civilization is classified as a Type 2 civilization on the Kardashev scale. A Type 2 civilization is defined as having the ability to harness and use the energy output of an entire star in this case our Sun. Such a civilization would typically be highly advanced technologically and capable of manipulating stellar energy on a massive scale. If a Type 2 civilization were to block the sun's light and energy it could disrupt the delicate balance of our solar system. The Sun is the central source of energy that sustains all life on Earth. It provides heat and light drives the climate system and is crucial for the growth of vegetation through photosynthesis. Blocking the sun entirely could lead to a rapid cooling of the Earth causing the atmosphere to freeze and the extinction of most forms of life.Moreover the Sun's gravity holds the planets in orbits and any disturbance to this gravitational balance could lead to significant disruptions in the solar system. For example without the gravitational pull of the Sun the stability of the planetary orbits would be compromised potentially leading to collisions or ejections of planets from the solar system. Therefore while a Type 2 civilization might have the technological capability to block the sun it would be unlikely to do so as it would have severe consequences for the entire solar system including their own planet.
Dyson spheres seem ridiculous. An absolutely absurd amount of work and material to build a structure around a star. I'd wager that civilizations advanced enough to even pull this off would probably find more practical ways to harness energy.
What I always find funny when I see these explanations of how type 3 civs would appear to us, is by a single hypothetical way WE think they would harness the energy of a sun. Dyson spheres are the only way a type 3 civ could possibly harness the sun’s energy. No other possible ways at all. Very short sighted.
I always thought these were funny. We have not figured out how to speak or talk to 99.9% of the life on Earth, yet we expect to be able to communicate with any outside our world.
Type 0: Our Earth Type 1: Earth in Dragonball Universe Type 2: Friezas empire Type 3: King Kai Type 4: Supreme Kai's / Beerus (destroyer gods) Type 5: Angels (WhIS) Type 6 : Zeno Type 7 : Akira Toriyama in DBZ universe.
I think that maybe civilizations do not need that much energy . All they need is to learn how to use that same amount of energy more effectively. For ex- if something takes 1000 units of energy right now , then to become a higher civilization we need to learn how to do that same thing in just 10 units
The problem here is just thinking in how those civs just make energy, now as a basic civilization, how we take our energy is like 1% of the things we know and do. Civs in level 2, 3 and 4 can be doing crazy things out there, like having a portion of the universe totally under their control as Truman but not with a dome, with and entire galaxy... just think about it and us...
@josephjucker5620 Ya I wonder who appeared in 20th century Portugal and how thousands of people witnessed a miracle or realized their clothes are dry and any skeptic their converted to catholicism. Hmmm... I wonder why it would take most stadiums in the world just to imprint Christ's image in a shroud. Riiiight an "imagination".
Given the vastness of time and the potential for any of these civilizations to abruptly end at any given time for any number of reasons, it's highly unlikely that any type 1,2, or 3 would exist in the same galaxies at the same time, making it unlikely that they might detect one another, let alone galaxies close enough to one another to make intergalactic contact possible or less unlikely, to the extent that the word "likely" can be used in that sentence with any relevancy given the astronomical factors.
This is what we as humans can only comprehend with our ability to think, imagine if there are beings out there with much larger intellectual level maybe even unlimited thinking abilities that see our struggles as a complete joke
Why shouldn't they? A type 3 civilization has colonized a whole galaxy, that a single event to one of these planets eradicates the whole civilization is highly unlikely.
thought like a human... in reality there are bound to be entire federations of aliens in the vastness of space. Statistics will always prove this right.
Luckily for us we are one of the first if not the only intelligent life in the universe. What is intelligent life you ask? I don't know, it might be as simple as multi cell organisms which we are the only of which is very far off from intelligence as the word first appears. We haven't found any other forms of life in the universe with a universe so large, Earth so young and how far we have advanced, it's a safe bet to say we are one of the first if not only intelligent life in the entire universe. Because if we weren't their would be countless species/civilizations from other planets which would have conquered the entire universe before our Planet even formed, hell maybe that has happened and that's why we see nothing else as we are already within the influence of a truly advanced species and everything we experience in our reality was created or at least influenced by them. Maybe getting that advanced is impossible and technology can only advance basically as far as we have gotten and just stops, no more is possible. We should still be able to detect an unfathomable amount of civilizations out in the universe on similar technology levels to ours but we don't, because we are the only ones :) Or have basically already been consumed by an unfathomably more advanced species :(@@97_Fredo
I think Dyson sphere is just an idea of how a type 2 civilisation would be, but in general the Dyson sphere can really effect the speed of the whole solar system along with the sunlight getting to other planets too
We wouldn't need the sun if we could make a sphere that big we would have so much energy that we could probably find a way to help our plant thrive of even be able to control the solar system as a whole
Let me remind you that any object beyond a certain distance speeds away from us so rapidly that even if we left today in an imaginary ship that traveled at the speed of light, we’d be unable to reach it. Somethings out there we just can’t see it or it hasn’t cast its shadow yet.
@@Jee2024IIT The UFO/UAP whistleblower just stood in front of congress and said It derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics. Imagine a 3-D object such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2-D surface. This is called the holographic principle. You can be projected from higher dimensional space to lower dimensional [space]. That was mind blowing.
I like how he’s mapping this out like their whole plan isn’t going to change once they actually start exploring outer space. can we find a Titan world?
There is a ‘world’ called titan. It’s actually a moon of Saturn. It’s one of the few other worlds in the solar system that sustains liquid lakes on its surface. Those lakes are methane
A lot of this may simply be impossible. For instance, how do you even gather the resources to build a Dyson Sphere? Let alone travel inter dimensional realms.
Maybe Ai can upgrade itself without anyone doing anyone maybe it can find the super fuel needed for Dyson sphere it's just trial and error, with ai it's much faster
@@FLLLLORIDAMAN quite easily, they are made from locally abundant silicon! Took a very few years for us to progress from simple electro mechanical computers to the CPUs we have now. Constructing anything at all in the near vacuum of space from local materials is a more bit tricky. Maybe take a conveniently placed planet and somehow atomise it?? Using some sort of easy to find planet cracking energy.... But that would only give you a ring.... and beyond that you'd be looking for some more new and magical processes to produce a sphere that could harvest the star's energy. Pure fantasy IMO....
type 6: We rule everything. type 7: I HAVE WATCHED YOU SINCE THE BEGINNING AND LIVED INSIDE OF YOUR REALITY MACHINE AND OUTSIDE OF REALITY. I EXIST ONLY BECAUSE I THINK I EXCIST. SUBSEQUENTLY SO DO YOU. *Speaking both inside the machine that generates reality and outside of the machine that generates reality at the same time*
I know I'm wrong, but I like to think that any organism that changes to adapt and evolve would ultimately get past any filter. Even with dooming ourselves, I'm sure a different branch of technology will move on ahead. Constantly filtering it's self out for new, stronger, better, and / or smarter just to live on to survive. Also, idk what I'm saying. Thanks for reading 😊
I’d like to believe the same thing, nowadays we are faced with so many crises I only imagine it will get worse. Despite this generation not doing much to give me a lot of faith in them, I do believe there may be a chance for humanity to survive and later thrive to ascend to any one of these civilization types. I only wish I could be there to see it
Humanity has overcome so many supposed filters. In the 19th century humans believed to have reached an upper limit on what is possible to sustain in human population, that the 19th century would be followed by a century in decline, where millions starve to death, until a new cycle starts... and then Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch discovered the Haber-Bosch-Synthesis, with which to create fertilizer more or less out of thin air. Without that, we wouldn't be able to feed the billions of humans we have today and expecting some more billions to be added in the next decades. And after all, one guy theorized this and suddenly it is supposed to be a dogmatic law of nature? That thinking is imho too rigid, that guy could also be simply wrong and we could be just one of the first species in the known universe to come as far as we did, which would explain, why we didn't discover any aliens so far, we just got lucky.
But the thing is that we as an organism don't adapt or evolve. When great disasters wipes out majority only individuals who already had traits necessary to survive get to live and pass on their genes. That is how insects that are resistant to insecticides came to be and why we need to use more and more of them to protect crops.
Our limit/hardcap is Type 2 possibly, as that sounds somewhat plausible. But To reach Boundless Godhood that transcends the very idea of what is realy- Type 7 impossible, I think if there is Type 7 Civilization they are GODS, they always existed, will exits, Transcending all possile concepts Like Math, death, Life, Time, space, dimensionality.Esentialy All we see Now is Just Shadow Projected From Higher Layer of reality And Highest realm Would Be Realm of Type 7 Beings, wich is also Perfect and Place where all ideas and archetypes reside.
I love how when you reach a certain point you essentially just become god with the Kardishev scale. And since a type 7 civilization is beyond space/time/reality that's about as far as you can go.......then a type 8 civilization comes along.
Those scholars were just probably imagining how cool it would be to live in a super advance civilization with limitless energy and they just added those to the scale.
How would a type 2 civilization acquire the materials required to construct a dysons sphere? I feel like the matter required would exceed what exists on the home planet.
Yes, over exaggerated theories These intellectuals are unfit for survival even in intolerable heat of deserts or in snowy lands of North pole even on this planet earth. But, they spin theories of all types to console their intellectality.
I believe that our breakthrough point for a type 1 Civ is coming sooner then we expect, with the rapid advancement of AI in the last decade ( half of it actually ), and the conception of Quantum Computers becoming reality we are about to see big changes in our society and technology. I can't say i'm not excited about it but i'm also deeply worried, I won't dwell on the whys now since it's a lot to unpack but quite convinced that the 300 years expectancy can be cut by a lot, I don't know how much it's pure expeculative but I would say 30-100 years max. Let me hear your thoughts on this guys!
I feel like this is the “what the 1900s people think the 2000s would be like” all over again. As much as we can imagine and predict, the actual truth would be far from what we thought. So even if we did become a type I civilization within the next century, it would be drastically different. I do agree that we might achieve type I sooner than we think, since our growth has been exponential, but we will never know what would actually happens in the future.
If there are aliens out there, I don't see it ending well for us. Given that they would've been monitoring our transmissions and would view us as a brutish warlike society incapable of working towards a peaceful universe.
@@mikdale666 most definitely, just imagine looking down this unknown civilization just to see them fighting eachother for resources or stupid reasons in a planet where we are already the dominant species it’s so ridiculous when u put in perspective
There is one major question. How would we build something large enough such as the dyson sphere as well as with what material that is able to handle the constant heat and radiation from the sun. Lastly, wouldn't the gravity of the sun pull said object into it?
It is possible to achieve orbit as a sphere around a gravity source. There'd have to be some crazy and rapid axial wobble but it's (theoretically) possible. A black hole with a kinetic generator would be much easier
I think type 2 is he best and realistic outcome for humanity and even then it would take an unreal amount of work, technology advancement, and cooperation from every nation for that to be realized. I hate to say it but we’d have to basically advance our bodies to viltrumite levels as well.
I don’t know. But I find this theory as flawed. It assumes that increasing amounts of energy is what determines a higher level civilization. My thinking is that a higher level civilization has evolved to a level where more can be done with less energy. Like a super optimized way of using energy.
Odd statement. I would think something super optimized. Would be something incredibly small to produce massive amounts of energy. Any civilization that is going to colonize a planet will need massive amounts of energy specially if their cells or biosphere is the least bit similar to ours.
Optimized energy usage is a thing, but there are physical limits to how much you can stretch energy usage. And at the same time all of these theories are human concepts, there might be civilizations way beyond our understanding. We as humans are young and know nothing of the universe in my eyes. Its like monkeys trying to understand calculus or beings from 2D trying to understand 3D.
@@Lennji Elon has a powerfull engine on a massive ship that runs on hydrogen. Nuclear plants are not needed in mars. In fact different forms of energy have been around for a very long time they just arent used because the world is ran by petrol criminals that will not be able to capitalize on something that runs on water or compressed air even lol.
I would disagree with the energy consumption theory, because the one thing that you also are missing, is the amount of waste. Yes, we use and consume a lot of energy, but a lot what we consume, also creates a lot of waste. That wastefulness of our civilization also holds us back. So, what if you can consume all the oil on the planet, or all the coal, or all the trees, or all the water, or even all the sunlight. The machines we use in order to use that energy, also produces a lot of byproducts that we call waste. And since we waste a lot of that energy production, we can't really advance. So, when you start talking about, "Oh a civilization is type 1 or type 2 because it uses the resources of a planet, sun, solar system, galactic arm, or the galaxy itself...how much waste has to be neutralized in actuality to achieve that level of civilization. What does a civilization need, to cut out that waste, before it can really achieve greatness in energy use and consumption, while at the same time as cutting waste. In order to create say a solar panel to take in radiant energy of the sun, you have to have a production facility in order to create these panels, however one of the byproducts of this creation of a solar panel, actually creates a noxious gas, which is released into the atmosphere. It's cancerous. So yes, it's viable energy alternative that does fix a few problems, with the creation of energy, but the production of the material components has a negative impact towards life. So how do you cut out, the waste/garbage/poison produced in order to step up to the next level of this "Civilization Level". You cannot postulate these levels of civilization because, you're just guessing what it will take to achieve it. But we're not even a class 0 society. We don't even really measure near zero at all. The reason for this is, because we still haven't found a long-term solution to our waste that we create. We have come up with new methods of energy production, but at the same time, we have created new waste. Unless you deal with the waste at the same time as the energy production, then you're not really going to advance as a civilization. Your jus creating new problems with new garbage, and just treading water.
When the ants start crawling in your house "trying to get in contact with you" what do you do to them... i hope that answers your question "if we should ever get in contact with them" ... :D
@@kosmiqueSolar panels contain silver which is already being depleted. Plus they need go be replaced every 25 to 30 years. It takes fossil fuels to mine the silver and its estimated that there will be 80 megatonnes of waste panels by 2050. Solar panels are not the way forward long term. I wonder how they are going to harness the suns energy
It will be interesting to see how much our own development on the Kardishef scale will be held back by greedy corporations despite the unquestionable benefits of technology that make products obsolete that currently are used to grant them power, authority, and control over others. Now that we are aware of the reverse engineering programs of extra-terrestrial technology, how much our level of technology has been accelerated.
Yeah, it's gonna be pretty hard to get past 3 in the Kardashev scale, considering we'd need things that literally do not exist, such as wormholes, white holes, alternate dimensions, and the like XD
I'd wager government would hold us back more than corporations. Nearly every technological pioneer in recent history has been a private entity, while we, for example, continue using military technology from the 80s.
I'm from India. Your concepts makes some sense. I read all our hindu mythologies. There are many types of this in that stories especially the three supreme gods called brahma, vishnu and shiva all these gods sounds like type 7. But what I wonder is how humans got these information such long back. Is it possible that many civilizations evolved in earth and left earth long long back
im sorry but religious myths made by early humans trying to figure out the world have no link to science fiction.... wait... or maybe they have... Anyway. It's like seeing shape in the clouds. Your mind try to see a connection but its an illusion
If they ever did find anything, they wouldn't tell us. It does make you wonder what they have found already to encourage them to build everything they already have, such as telescopes and radio towers larger than 10 football feilds.
@@dforrest4503 They would be, "the powers at be." The boogeyman, MIB, your high school science teacher, spooks. If you don't know who, "they" are, its because you're trapped in the matrix.
I was thinking the same thing. It's basically a scientific theory of God. You have to think if such a thing could exist, being that it would take 10 duodecillion years to reach it which is unfathomably longer than the age of the universe, that such beings would have existed through countless deaths and rebirths of the universe or multiverse, and more or less control all of them.
The human idea of “god” requires humans to worship it. In reality, humans wouldn’t even be on a type 7 civilizations radar. We would be to them what a dust mite is to us. Probably even less than that.
@@100percentSNAFU Yeah pretty much. According to the theory a type 7 civilization/singularity/hivemind or whatever form it may take would be incorporeal, omnipresent, encompass all timelines and could freely travel anywhere in the Omniverse. Time and distance would not be an issue.
I've always wondered why the goal is to colonise other galaxies? As opposed to perhaps developing human abilities to be able to create itself, create our own cosmos from start to finish. How does striving to be the most powerful in a creation thats not yours make you excellent? On the other hand being able to create oneself one can survive any catastrophe this reality throws at it,you become independent on the rise and fall of this reality as you develop the ability to create oneself over and over again.
Cuz white folk love to steal things that don't belong to them and then call themselves great. Look at most of the modern inventiond, they would lead you to believe that they made everything. Our history isn't taught accurately. Rant over Also your idea is a lot cooler
Know you are definitely talking about a Type 7 civilisation 😂, recreate the cosmos. Wow!!, But I do belive that we can reach immortality in our current type 1 civilisation, even though the scale puts it as type 3.
something interesting that people seem to gloss over and forget about is how time works. Outside of our planet, time is completely different, and each planet would have its own unique time depending on its distance from its sun, speed of rotation, and probably a bunch of other stuff im forgetting
Yeah it's easy, I've also skipped grades and directly ascended to a higher dimension and going from tier 3 to tier 6 right awayby completing my aetherophasic engine, only took me a few hours!
Could the enormous voids found scattered throughout the universe actually have the same amount of mass and matter as the other parts of the universe? The reason why they appear void is due to the hi tech advantages of "higher" life forms?
@@queenbrightwingthe3890what's proven. Most of the things you see out there, if you step inside you probably won't be able to come back to tell the tale even if you survived. It's really sad how humans evolved from curious beings to dogs that listen to everything others told them.
I agree. A highly advanced civilization would eventually become aware of it's civilization's energy outputs and may learn how to hide or ofuscate the signals it emits knowing others may seek it out. In the Dark Forrest model of the universe, the ability to hide might be something of a desired survival trait for newly emerging civilizations. Those voids are void of planets as far as we know. It's something to do with how galaxies form and leave pockets of empty space.
I believe everything in the universe is the by product of the birth of creation , like after birth but some universes may twins or so on .. The immense power it would take to create just 1 planet with life is unimaginable
Glad to see you got type 1 correct. For some reason I see too many channels saying “we’d have full control of our planet” like no bro we aren’t going to control our weather. And while I agree Fusion is the way forward, I disagree that fission has a “high risk of accident.” It’s far and away the safest per megawatt, even considering the deaths and long term effects from major accidents.
Without technology in the picture, wouldn't reaching a state of Nirvana for Buddhists technically be a type 7 state of being/consciousness due to the subject transcending their physical being and becoming one with the universe/everything?
Well scientifically ur just a complex arrangement of molecules that can do anything in order to survive. When u die everything you did while u were alive is meaningless ur body breaks down into what it originally was. Just molecules of carbon, calcium,etc. So how exactly is Nirvana a type 7 civilization even related to deep meditation and dying
@@horridwilting640 no need for 3 question marks my friend, I'm just spit balling possibilities that neither of us have the answer to. How do we know that once they transcend they aren't the master over their own universe in a spiritual sense? Wouldn't that be there new reality and therefore they could naturally change whatever they wanted? (???????)
@@accuser_of_the_brethren7816 exactly i didnt know so that is the reason that i asked??? Also if its only their own universe that they can manipulate then its not a type 7ish creature as what the vid3o stated???
Instant dislike for the slander of nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is currently our cleanest and most efficient form of energy and I'm extremely disappointed in what you had to say about it.
The Great Filter is a theoretical concept that is often discussed in the context of the Fermi Paradox. The Fermi Paradox is the apparent contradiction between the high probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations and the lack of evidence for, or contact with, such civilizations. The Great Filter is proposed as a possible explanation for this paradox. The Great Filter suggests that there may be a major obstacle or challenge that prevents civilizations from advancing beyond a certain point in their development. This obstacle could be anything from the emergence of life, the development of intelligence, the rise of technology, the ability to colonize other planets, or something else entirely. One possibility is that the Great Filter is behind us, meaning that we have already overcome the major obstacle that prevents civilizations from advancing beyond a certain point. Another possibility is that the Great Filter is still ahead of us, meaning that we have not yet encountered the major obstacle that will prevent us from advancing further. If the Great Filter is behind us, it could mean that we are among the few civilizations in the universe that have managed to overcome this obstacle, which would explain why we have not yet detected any other intelligent life in the universe. However, if the Great Filter is ahead of us, it could mean that our civilization is at risk of being destroyed by a catastrophic event that we have not yet encountered. The concept of the Great Filter is still largely speculative, and there is no clear consensus on what the major obstacle or challenge may be. Some scientists and thinkers have proposed that it could be related to the development of artificial intelligence, climate change, nuclear war, or something else entirely. However, the idea of the Great Filter raises important questions about the nature of life, intelligence, and technological advancement in the universe, and it is a topic of ongoing research and discussion among scientists and philosophers.
Personally, I like the great filter theory as it is a very plausible explanation to the lack of evidence of extraterrestrial life. Keep in mind also there could be multiple filters each with their own unique set of challenges to overcome. Some may be behind us, some ahead. The obvious one that would be in the future is self annihilation by technology (AI, nukes, etc.). Natural disasters and cosmic events like Gamma Ray Bursts, Supernovae, etc are always a possibility as well, but that's more of a random shot that may or may not ever effect us. Our position in the galaxy gives us an advantage, being in somewhat of the galactic "boondocks". Other civilizations may not have been so fortunate. Or maybe it is impossible for life to even exist in more chaotic regions like nearer the galactic centre.
Type 1, 2001 a space odyssey, Aliens, Type 2, Star Trek, Star Wars, Type 3, Dune, Foundation, Type 4, The Celestials, Q, various demigods, Type 5, just like magic, but science, type 6, basically godlike, angels, demons, type 7, God.
God does not belong to this any types! He is the apha and Omega, let say a civilization! But not a civilization! Those types are from the inside of time! but not the outside! It's because GOD is outside of time it means he is not a type or civilization he is the light of all civilizations!
@@kbanghart type 7 is almost godlike civilization can create and recreate through their thoughts almost a God.. but not a almighty God! An omega being is not a civilization nor a type.. he is a source of being type
Q is 5 according to the Kardishev scale wiki. and how did Dune beat Star Trek and Star Wars? I am not all that impressed with Dune compared to Trek and Wars. Also, 7 is too low for God since there are already theories of higher number scales. God would have to be higher than the highest that can be comprehended by humans. The Kardishev scale wiki goes well beyond 7.
I have a strong feeling that there isn’t enough matter within our local galactic neighborhood to make a Dyson sphere. It will require us to not only travel at near light speeds, but also do it with massive payloads from other regions of space.
@@Doobency Even as a minimal construct, if it’s diameter is that of our orbit. There is still no doubt in my mind it would require more solid useful matter to create this than our local galactic neighborhood.
You're right there. To build a Dyson sphere takes an enormous amount of refined metals and materials. Far more than is generally available in any given solar system. The raw forms of those metals and materials only make up a small percentage of any given solar system, you'd need the metal of dozens if not hundreds of solar systems to complete a Dyson sphere. Then there is the time it takes to collect, refine and transport the material back to the Dyson sphere and the construction time itself. We're lucky a neighboring, more advanced civilization hasn't stripped our system of it's metals, leaving us unable to advance past a certain point. If you like this stuff, check out the "we are legion, we are Bob" audio books. It's about a startrek nerd becoming a Von Noyman probe.
@@andrewgardiner563 Oh shove it other Andrew. Shit stirring among the doppelgängers is not permitted, lol. And there is not enough solid matter to make a Dyson sphere in this solar system. Now if we could convert the gas giants into workable material, maybe one at the distance of Venus could be possible, but it would take converting all mass to that project still.
@@hugovandyk9918Isaac Arthur talks about this and other megastructures at great length. It’s definitely possible even at our current level of technology. One massive, somewhat theoretical advancement though would be extracting the heavier elements from our star, which would give us more than enough material and the added benefit of prolonging the life of the star.
The one thing missed by this. Is that before humans can reach any of these civilization levels, we first must learn to simply get along with one another on a global scale. we only need a common enemy. Something that forces us to join under a common banner. As long as we keep thinking that we are the most powerful and advanced creature we keep fighting with each other.
People always say that everyone should get along but sadly it's normally war that seems to make the most progress with things like science and engineering
Been thinking of the same thing for years. For humanity to unite and pass the Great Filter, a catalyst along the flow of human history needs to exist, a catalyst that makes the unity of the whole human race an absolute necessity. An intelligent person would realize this, and maybe then they would be willing to be that catalyst, like a necessary evil, or a Thanos kind of character. They would need to be idealistic and pragmatic, logical and emotional, and willing to adapt their ways and methods but also standing their ground on their principles. I imagine this individual would be the worst criminal in human history, but the greatest hero among the select few who know of the sacrifice they made themselves to be to aid humanity in its aim to reach the stars.
The concept of even type 4 is wild as humans can never possibly explore beyond our galatic neighborhood consisting of 5 galaxies and that is only if earth would survive for 5800 years and humans evolve and make technological advancements in an exponential rate.
Might not even reach that far since only thing that's happening is nations fighting each other for resources and leaders getting replaced, people only care about money,sex, relegion or other stupid things. Maybe people simply stop doing jobs and everyone starts creating startups and everyone sells some worthless product maybe a shampoo or a pet hair remover or some shit until some natural disaster extinct us all.
@@Swagmessiah8394 you can't travel faster than speed of light. The galaxies beyond our local group of galaxies are moving away from us faster than speed of light
@@Swagmessiah8394 I know what you are saying, like how flying and mobile phones would've been witchcraft or magic for people beyond 500 years ago but now they're common. But about speed of light, it's just pure energy which has no mass and when u touch it it appears as light and heats ur skin. That massless energy technically should travel at infinite speed but unfortunately it doesn't. Hence with a massive object like us forget going faster then light we'd probably need energy of entire galaxies just to get closer to speed of light. Ultimately we'll just be traveling in empty space never reaching another galaxy because they're moving away from us faster faster and more faster.
I wonder if we ever encounter another sentient species and discuss our society's histories. Will we find out that we're incredibly lucky? That it's a miracle we made it this far without killing ourselves? If we discuss all the hardships we as a species went through will these aliens be like "Slavery, war, holocaust, crusades, witch trials, global pollution? WTF is wrong with you people? We never went through any of that. We got along with each other better than you ever did"
Or we'd come across a civilisation that PROGRESSED through all of the evils that we have grown out of. Like- "Wait, you guys STOPPED enslaving your enemies and using them to further progress your technological domination?"
From what I’ve seen we are lucky that the Earth even made life Also it’s weird to assume that the Aliens wouldn’t be as bad if not worse than us not saying we are saints
I never liked the way there is such a big gap between type 2 and type 3, it just seems like there should be something between the energy of only our 1 star and the energy of the entire galaxy.. Perhaps we should consider harnessing the energy of the supermassive blackhole at the center of our galaxy as a marker for the next stage, the same way we go from our planet to the sun in the center of our solar system
Let's not beat around the bush here, a type 7 civilization, from this explanation, is essentially God. Interesting to me how when you push the limits of scientific theory, it can converge with that of the religious realm. I believe that science and religion have more in common than hardliners of either side would ever be willing to admit. We are just too primitive in our understanding of either to fully realize it.
It is interesting to know at what level in these civilizations will religion cease to exist... Or will the type 7 ones will exterminate the type 6 ones at the moment when they are about to know the secrets of how to become a type 7???
idk if im crazy but i feel like stages 1-4 seem closer than what they expect, there will no doubt be some things we figure out that we cant even think of right now that will make them come sooner
It's hard to watch this without thinking about the possibility that we were made by one of those civilizations. The books of history here on earth pointed indirectly to the existence of extraterrestrial life. Religious books have also pointed to such extraterrestrial beings. It's hard to believe that in the vast and wide universe, life is exclusively available on earth alone. There is life somewhere and most importantly, there is immortality out there.
I used to think it was impossible statistically for there not to be other civilizations out there. I always assumed that evolution, which seems a pretty standard necessity for life, would always lead to superior life forms emerging and achieving higher intellect/sentience where life had time to evolve. Then Neil Degrasse Tyson hit on a theory I hadn't considered that makes as much sense as the "great filter" to explain the lack of visible sentient life or civilization out there beyond our own... sentience may actually not be conducive or necessary for life to prosper and possibly be an evolutionary dead end, especially given the only example we have. Too much intelligence leads us to where we are now, over saturated in our niche (which never ends well even in lesser evolved life), over exploiting, and unsustainable. We are constantly in a race to find new ways to maintain our ever expanding needs before we collapse our system and end up self destructing during the final struggle for limited resources.
Wouldn't the Type X scale start back at 0 once we moved up one dimension? It would then be about gathering energy (or something) at certain civilation levels relevant to 4D
Hopefully we can find some advanced civilization out there and friendly. Type 0- Very Common Type 1 civilization - Common Type 2 civilization - Rear Type 3 civilization- It's possible but this type of civilization is extremely rear Type 4 civilization - universe not old enough to produce this type since it takes tens of billions of years to advance Type 5- universe not old enough takes trillions of years to advance Type 6 Civilization - Questionable is it even possible to have this type exist,if so let alone type 7. If it's possible it would take trillions of years to advance. Type 7 civilization - Also questionable, for it's existence but it's possible for it's existence and takes a long time to advance. Type 8- Now this is tricky, since this involves the outside, a realm that's currently beyond our reach and understanding. If type 7 civilization is not possible, let alone looking for type 8. The releam of the after life.
(Without watching) We could meet a type 7 and not be able to distinguish it from a type 2 or higher. (Or, if that branch were anachronists, we might think they were merely a successful type 0.) A billion Earths in a billion universes, plus a billion Scorpio superclusters in those same universes, plus our Scorpio supercluster, plus a colony in our Milky Way that we might meet. (Post-watching) I do think we should contact known civilizations, but I think we should be able to colonize a new location first. Better would be to have a few colonies set before contact.
Before humans can reach any of these civilization levels, we first must learn to simply get along with one another on a global scale.
Only way is through a deus ex machina helios ending.
Which strips away our core being of humanity.
Are we truly willing to remove what makes us, us?
@@UtubeH8tr Nah, we only need a common enemy. Something that forces us to join under a common banner. As long as we keep thinking that we are the most powerful and advanced creature we keep fighting with each other.
@@Moukula
Look at the Red menace Commie scare and german reich regime.
Worked for a while, then 70's hippies generation came in and quashed it along with nuclear energy.
The only reason we don´t get along on a global scale is because our leaders constantly fight about resources and territory. If someone like the Romans had actually succeeded in conquering the world and we all had one language, culture and leader who divided resources according to the greater good of the entire empire we would have little reason to fight with one another on a large scale.
The humans in mars got in a nuclear war among themselves
It's odd that we speculate about the existence of such civilizations and how to find them without considering that any civilization at this stage will inevitably have already found us.
you've a point.
Maybe they have and we don’t know. If they are that advanced it would be easy.
And it's utter arrogance, that such a civilisation would have any care for us, if indeed they knew we existed.
well just think about a type 2 civilization encountering a 0.73 type civilization would be a waste of time for them. We are soo technologically behind compared to a civilization that can harness the energy of the sun. It would be like humans encountering ants building their ant mounds and gathering blades of grass. Wed get bored and move on in a minute. lol
@@David-qo3wm agreed
If a Type 2 civilization was so good at harnessing energy, wouldn’t it be a solid hypothesis that they would not emit much infrared radiation because it is being harnessed?
Exactly. Once again we’re proving our race to be close minded and that only the rules we make are truth.
we would likely notice the lack of infrared energy and that would be our sign
But why would you expend resources harvesting all waste infra red radiation when you already have access to almost infinite energy already?
Type 2 only harnessing its star, infra red from another star still available
Wrong. It would emit SO MUCH infrared radiation. All that waste heat would be infrared. You cannot trap that waste without killing everything you made, including yourself.
And that would just ensure the waste escaped then.
It's not that you wouldn't bother to harness it but you cannot harness it.
What do you mean "why we can't find a type 7 civilization"? We haven't even found any other type of civilization
If there are "scientists" who added 4 more types to an existing THEORY, then they're also based upon hypothetical postulations, too. Complete fantasy sci-fi.
I remember when I was a boy I talked to my grandfather about alien life and the galaxy. He would tell me that while he didn't see why alien life couldn't exist outside our solar system he hoped we'd never find out. When I asked why he explained that any peaceful civilization would see us a mile away and would give a wide berth, they'd deem us as to warlike and dangerous. They'd be fearful that we get their technology and begin a conquest of the universe.
The other option would be a warlike species who would come to earth for the raw resources and would see humanity as nothing more than ants in their backyard. Even then, he explained, then destroying us and getting resources would be more of an afterthought as Earth just isn't that big and it's resources likely wouldn't be worth the limited effort to come and wipe us out when there's trillions of other planets out there that are far larger with much more resources.
As such unless a species was just starting exploration and was hopelessly naïve and stumbled across us hoping to reform our people into a peace loving civilization, it's likely that no other alien civilization would ever make contact. They would find us, document our location (perhaps kidnap a few people for test) and then go about there day as if a scientist on earth found a new type of fish.
I always thought about that as I've gotten older and the older I get the more I agree with what he said, and the more I'm thankful that humanity is, for now, simply to inconsequential for anyone to worry with if they are there to begin with.
What if the alien civilization has progressed as much as ours did? I guess it all comes down to what makes their *thinking organs* tick. I don't think humanity has still answered the question of "why we fight?", yet we expect aliens civilizations to do better. We have no idea of how intelligent alien life would develop their conciousness. Will they be a united peaceful planet, exploring the universe? or will they be as confused as we are? Do we consider human civilization as one civilization? I guess the majority of people don't. We are spread through different countries, economies, languages, customs. The part of the world we deem as the most "advanced" is only doing slightly better than the rest, concerning killing each other and hoarding weapons. We still fight over the resources in our planet, heck, we fight over resources that we have invented (money!). How do we expect alines to better us? I think, if we meet our counterparts - we will just start another cold war soon after. It's always a story of "us" and "them", unfortunately.
We are the real aliens. But there's many species of other races
@anton161817 I think he is right. According to theology, human can't see Alien (people from another planet) because human can be a sinner. We always make sins, a simple sins like lying to ourselves is also counted. Other species can see us, but they don't have anything with us, they are very far different than us, and don't want to make any contact, they just want to live, and they don't know how to make sins. Also God forbid them to encounter us.
I have two big theories about Alien:
1. They have very different physique and need than us. For example, we drink water, they drink gas. They drink diamonds, we drink water. Their body shape will be according to what they eat, drink, and their enviroment. Maybe some Alien live on the sun, they drink heat from the sun, we call if absorb but they think that's how they eat, and their digest and body shape also different than us.
2. I read on Bible, there is a word, I forget what Testament, it said "We will go to father's house". Maybe we are on the middle of journey with galaxy as our plane. It is not just us, other species with different body shape and needs on another solar system but in the same galaxy. We don't know that this is a spaceship. An enviromental spaceship with renewable energy.
@@vivian9399 lolll they drink diamonds?? No aliens don't eat or drink in the 3rd dimension they are multidimensional just like we are but they were never from an outside source they have been around longer than us on this planet
the kardashev scale is only based on energy. there are many other factors that can be considered for rating a civilization. the problem of classifying a civilization purely by energy consumption may lead to some odd comparisons; with some cultures landing in the same category despite having vastly different sizes and capabilities. its good to look at other versions of the kardashev scale and other scales entirely to get a more complete picture.
What are some of the other factors?
@@HighlanderCounselling Carl Sagan proposed the quantity of information a civilation can generate
You just want to lower the bar so that we are no longer at 0
@@HighlanderCounsellinghow finely can a civilisation manipulate and harness its environment:-
Type 0 can only manipulate bulk mass , they use catapults as their strongest weapons can build structures ranging from mammoth skin and bone huts to stone cities, their primary fuel is wood and maybe animal fats
Type 1 uses advanced chemical fuels like coal and oil and can control bulk mass better like using steel to build skyscrapers, their characteristic technology is gun power !
They also use chemical rockets for space travel
Type 2 has discovered fission and fusion and want to use it for everything ( we had skipped this phase but we are now circling back)
Type 2 can control its environment even finer by going beyond chemical bonds into the atom itself.
They can also mine space and have fusion on the high end.
Type 3 has mastered the atom so completely that they can use cold fusion routinely virtually ending poverty overnight.
Type 3 also uses lasers and plasma a lot.
They probably dont have any turbines or noisy engines , they use plasma to move the air or water itself,they can afford this because of their vast energy reserves
Type 3 defining technology is transmutation, they can easily transform one element into another as needed
They probably cannot afford to fight because they have all cold fusion bombs
Type 3 can afford permanent human settlement in space
Type 4 has truly mastered physical materials, literally everything they use is a metamaterial, their technology is so efficient they can power a house with a piece of wood for a year without using nuclear technology.
Their vehicles are so strong and aerodynamic, they can cross the planet using energy of a normal car battery.
At their apex they have nanorobots which can do anything and i mean anything!!
Type 5 can utilize and manipulate quantum effects as the basis of their civilization, they have things like super conductors as a normal thing and can transmit more than just information via quantum means, they transmit energy itself,
Type 5 is the level of biological mastery, they have artificial photosynthesis that can feed the entire planet using one square km of land, they probably also use biological computing and can cure any disease in seconds
Control of quantum level allows many impossible things i can't list them all
Type 6 is the level that can pinch the space-time itself and use it regularly.
Forexample this type used gravitational waves for communication and sensing among other things i probably can't imagine
They may also find it as easy to use zero point energy as we currently use hydropower
This types nuclear control is so advanced they can also build antimatter and use it like normal fuel
Type7 can truly dominate spacetime such that they can have scifi like artificial gravity on their spaceships, this is the first true space faring civilization, thats what that level of control allows
They frequently levitate stuff and can do things only possible in cartoons
Type8 is the type which knows what dark energy or dark matter is and can harness it.
This level can travel the entire universe without limitations because at the speed of light is no longer a limit.
So as you see the kardashev scale is a rather crude and innacurate measure pf advancement of civilization.
Total Energy doesn't really Reveal just what a civilisation is capable of
I posted above that I think a good scale is the level of EXPLORATION of the universe (or universes or dimensions etc) that a civilization has proven itself capable of. For example, we have fully explored our own world (not internally and maybe not fully in some hard to reach areas like deep sea trenches), sent people to our moon, sent unmanned probes to other parts of our solar system, one of them past our solar system and soon (maybe 30 years?) people to MARS.
A problem I have with defining advancement only with "energy control" is what if a world builds a machine of some kind that sends its citizens out to explore other star systems but unlike that bullcrap Michio Kaku spits out they cannot "control the weather" and "play with stars". Should we not consider them advanced? I think LEVEL OF EXPLORATION ACHIEVED should be how advancement is judged or at least ONE of the scales.
Dyson spheres sound outlandish. I'm surprised they come up so much in these discussions. When a civilization gets to the point that they'd even have the technology to create a Dyson sphere, I'm pretty sure they would have learned more practical ways to harness large amounts of energy.
Wrapping yourself around the sun seems like a dumb idea, just putting it out there
You sure about that? I wouldn’t be *except that the better ideas are mods to the original idea. This video is too exaggerated and stupid for me to watch so I’m not sure what he actually describes.
@@BravoRoxyou must not have learned a lot of physics, astronomy, engine theory, etc. there’s many separate reasons why it’s the best solution to different dimensions of the power plant problem. So you’re wrong in a bunch of ways, if you insult me enough I might just explain them to you to help your brain wrinkle up a bit.
That's what I'm saying. If we can travel the cosmos to gather the materials for the sphere, I'm sure we could find better way to harvest energy at that point.
Interesting point, maybe you're right
The more we look far in the universe, the younger the universe we see, this could be the most possible reason why we are not able to observe such high type civilizations or intelligent lives...when at the same time it might exist, we are simply looking too backward in time..💀
most underrated comment, needs to be considered by more people
We cannot see them but they can see us, they should already know about us because worm holes were createdbby them in their earlier stage of civilization but they do not want to interfere, just like you don't care about flies in your garden.
Yup they still see dinosaurs on this planet they don't even know we exist yet. Time isn't as simple as we think
So time dilation interesting
no, not quite, its just as OP says, the further out you look, the further back your seeing, so even IF the Ay-lmaos could see us, they wouldnt being seeing "US" they would be seeing us as we WERE Xbillion years ago@@ivanalexandrinmatala3362
My biggest issue with the kardeshev scale is it makes way too many assumptions. Such as the need for a “Dyson Sphere” or “Dyson Swarm” for example. That’s only including the first three. The latter four are all purely theoretical as they rely on the existence of entirely unproven concepts.
My biggest issue, is it was created generations ago... and as a model, is wrong.
Same issue with most people assuming and theorizing that they have their own gods just because their religious books told them so...
@horridwilting640 Yeah these people be like "oh religion is false, I'm smarter than that" and then believe the BS in this video based on faith alone, pretty ironic XD
Imo Type 5-7 civilization only can create dyson sphere
@@peterhiser7883Do you know what a hypothesis is?
People always say how lucky we are to live during this generation but could you imagine if we were born when humans were a type 5 or 6 civilization if we ever acheive that
So do you really think a civilisation of type 5 or type 6 would resort to such a way of so called reproduction... Like in my wildest dreams i would never think that any civilisation of such level capable of Multiverse if not intergalactic travel would reproduce and resort to sex 😂
Hard to say, when it comes to beings that are not bound by space, by time and by our universe. Although they may not be altogether omniscient, they will undoubtedly understand everything there is to know about the laws of the universe/multiverse.
True I agree with you.
Wouldn't be humans and the rate of change and discovery would be similar. You see how quick ChatGPT has grown? Just wait until there are consumer humanoid robots.
Even if you were type 6 would you have those endless resources at your disposal? It's going to be a while before I can afford to launch myself into space let alone the moon.
... but we'd miss Chipotle.
Nothing is more hilarious than a Type 0 civilization speculating about a Type 7 one.
I am with you.
That situation is called religion!
We couldnt even fathom such a civilization. It's just as silly as watching old black white movies that showed what the 21st century would look like. 🤣🤣🤣
My theory is that alien civilizations get along well enough and made a promise not to interfere with other civilizations not yet developed enough to make contact and truly explore space.
They would most certainly be aware of us, perhaps even studying us but refusing to interfere. I mean, why should they in the first place? What would an advanced civilization need from us that they wouldn’t already have?
Star Trek's prime directive isn't all fiction.
And keep in mind that with the possible scope of ET races that might be all out there, would they all follow the same doctrine?
Stellaris
I just think that they made a promise not to interfere with us because we suck as a species
@@drakearvidsson6936 we do not suck as species. Some humans are awful, but as a whole species we're an amazing one. We care enough about each other that we cure them and treat their illnesses, we sacrifice our lives for the ones we love so they can live. We do not suck as a species
@@johnfkennedy8281you must be proud of being a human eh. Do you show off in front of animals because you are a human. There’s still so much sh*t going on in the world that’s why we still suck. Human beings are so egoistic and greedy it’s crazy. Unlike animals we know what right or wrong but we still do many bad things
Imagine how much we could accomplish if humanity worked together, sadly it will never happen.
Because humans are born arrogant and only care about itself.
Naw it won't, kinda glad it won't.
Let's say it would be mind blowing
@@BravoRox you are glad humanity won't ever work together, or just doubt that we ever will?
@@mharmic1 I doubt we ever will
Not only are we too primitive of a civilization, we're also extremely close minded. We think everything revolves around us and the physics that we invented. In the grand scheme of things we literally arent even a spec of dust relative to the universe and the billions of galaxies that exist. If physics is a toolkit, then there absolutely has to be bigger and better toolkits out there.
We sure are, not you though. You great thinker you
Is he wrong tho @@FearzThug
It’s yet to be seen if self-centeredness is a positive or negative species trait to possess in the context of galactic survival.
@@ryanhughes1101it’s absolutely a positive trait when it comes to survival as a species on a galactic scale. I don’t give a shit about eradicating a hostile race of aliens as long as humans continue to survive. Shit, i’d vontuneer to press the button for it
That's my problem with religion, it feels like we're assuming our tiny earth is the main narrative. I don't think we are anything but a random planet somwhere, far far far from the center of the universe. I grew up in Sweden though, almost everyone is atheist here so I just wanna think logically and think what may be out there. If there is a creator of sorts, then our planet is just one of billions of billions. Not very special probably :) But that doesn't make life less beautiful to me.
If the type 7 civilization is that powerful "basically God's" they're probably just growing us like SeaMonkeys in an atmospheric bubble right??? 😂
😂😂😂
Im pretty sure type 7 civilization is even more powerful than our god, since they doesn’t even care about little cells like us, and our “gods” will at least be boring enough to set up religions
Probably
We are in a bubble in the center of the universe
It's more like cells for humans. Hope we r not some acne or a fart
Serious issue: energy degrades into heat. Unlimited energy would produce/concentrate unlimited heat.
Kind of weird how the Type 7 civilization used to fit with my idea of God when I was younger. I mean technically it could still work now. Like what if there is a civilization so advanced that they are the ones that created our universe. A scientific "God" rather then a religious one.
That’s old news mate the gods our ancestors talk about were advanced space travelers even the Christian god
Science becomes religion in the absence of religion. Religion itself is not bad, it gives people a moral framework and purpose.
@@gainfrompainrecordlabel3229pretending to have read a book will reveal you've never read it. Judeo christian God said he created the universe, not a space traveler. First chapter of Genesis.
@@SavedByGrace1987 Kmt then explain what this god is,is he some supernatural person s that has the world in his hands and no the word god was mistranslated its a plural word that means those from above that’s y in genesis it says let us now make man in our own image, if the god/gods in the Bible not space travelers then explain Ezekiel wheels within wheels,Jacobs ladder,or Elijah’s chariot of fire,don’t respond to my comment until you have a logical explanation
@@gainfrompainrecordlabel3229 first off apologies, my response was a bit rude.
Revelation is a good book to read, last book of the bible as well. The universe starts to unravel etc., and in genesis he makes it. Time light, matter.
God is Eternal, and outside of time, and the laws of physics that exist here. He says to these prophets like moses and others that he always was. Hd made it all so he has to be outside of it. I don't think they are made of the same things we are made of. We have no idea what type of matter if its even matter at all. God is something different. The Angels are created though. Other dimensions i guess. So God ks not a traveler he's the Creator.
Yeah i know i went down those rabbit holes with the ancient aliens and chariots of the gods too, its interesting, but you're not getting the whole story.
Yeah God is three persons, Jesus the Father, and the Holy spirit. Jesus referred to the father and the holy spirit, and himself as three different persons, but he also said he was from everlasting.
As soon as you started talking about the dyson sphere i thought to myself "We would never be able to construct that at this current rate because all of earth would have to work together and currently theres some pretty evil vile world leaders out there that would never let that happen"
They are more likely to use nukes than to work together
Dyson spheres are retarded anyways. “Hey let’s capture all the energy of a sun, that totally doesn’t need to be distributed amongst a solar system for like, terrestrial life and climates and shit, all this is here for us to take and use right now because we know best, look at what we made”
You know what we need: an Emporer followed by unification wars to formulate an Imperium. Is this sounding familiar to you? (Hint warhammer 40k)
You mean all the worl leaders are ran by vile families that dont even deal in paper money. They deal in countries, resources, and people as currency.
You think world leaders are the issue? It’s the rich. The people with unlimited money behind the scene pulling the strings of your puppets you call world leaders.
I went to a Kardishev Scale website a few weeks back and according to the Kardishev Scale Wiki the Q continuum from Star Trek Next Gen only just barely qualify for a 5 (they are on the very low end of the 5 scale). Because this scale is so mega exponential each level totals the one below it. A 6 totals a 5 and a 7 totals a 6 so a 7 would completely dwarf a 5.
If the Q were ever to encounter a 7 level race they would seem like Gods to the Q much as the Q seem like gods to humans. Imagine if after all those years of tormenting and "testing" Picard a being from a level 7 civilization decided to have Q play "games" with him? That would be IRONIC.
Yeah, clearly 7 is "Thou art God himself". Kardashev is a stupid scale to measure anything by.
That doesn't make any sense since the Q can travel through time at will, making them a type 6 civilization. Not to mention the overcoming of cause and effect limitations. The very lesson Q was trying to teach Picard in the last two episodes of TNG.
@@seraphimvalkyrin4543 we might meet them after death who knows
You disappoint me Jean-Luc...
You're high or need phycological help
I hope with all my heart that we never encounter another species. In my opinion we are a total failure as a species and if we ever did encounter another one, we’d either find a way to exploit them, if they were less advanced, or we’d take their advanced technology and find ways to use it against each other. We’d find ways to weaponise anything! I think we’d be a blight on any other species!
Well we are absolutely terrible to most other species on this planet, so yeah, we’d wage war on any type of interplanetary life.
There is a major assumption here that a civilization so technologically advanced would still depend on extracting solar energy. This is just us projecting our understanding of current physics onto a larger scale, but in all probability, there will be far simpler ways to extract more energy, such as antimatter collision or zero-point vacuum energy that are already being theorized by scientists today.
That's the wrong way to think about energy generation. Antimatter collision does indeed convert mass into energy with effectively 100% efficiency - except that's only one tiny piece of the puzzle. First you need to actually get some antimatter, which doesn't seem to be very abundant in this universe. Making antimatter yourself, for example in a particle accelerator, wastes a million times more energy. Second you need to store the antimatter, which would also be energetically costly. Third, a mechanism that controls the release of antimatter and contains all the energy released. Fourth, a means of converting that energy into useful work.
The reason stars are worth extracting energy from is because they're "naturally occurring" - most importantly you only need to worry about the energy harvesting part of the equation. There are other major benefits of course - stars are incredibly stable, and as they're already burning, it would be a waste not to use the energy they generate.
Almost all of the ways of theoretically generating energy are totally infeasible for actually doing useful work (in the technical sense). Not to say humanity couldn't be missing something - obviously there's a lot we still don't know - but physicists with a love for sci fi aren't blind, they have a good idea of what does and doesn't work.
@@GeekProdigyGuyyeah what does and doesnt work according to our understanding of things, what the original comment is basically saying is that we are projecting our own human theories onto these possible civilizations that are so much further advanced than anything we could possibly imagine, not to mention the fact that they would originate from a part of the universe that is completely different than ours, and so we have no idea what is and isn't capable
@@charlesguillergan8759 IMO, that's only a reasonable thing for sci-fi writers. Anybody can assume anything about the universe. Especially if you are invoking a well-understood concept like antimatter, you should at least take into account what we already know about it.
If type 2 civilizations block the sun, wont that effect other planets in the solar system? This would potentially have some pretty significant effects?
Wait a Minute
What if T2 civilization already Exists but we can't see them because they Block Their own Suns and no light means no Visuals
more like control the flux of energy of the star, of can redirect light to warm distant objects like Mars. Also the quantity of materials needed can lead to planetary disassembly.
Yes but not like you think. We'd need to use those planets to build a device that large since the entirety of earth simply isn't big enough to provide to raw materials. Jupiter is the only planet that we can't live without. That's because it's gravity keeps the majority of planet destroying objects from hitting earth. But if humans gain the knowledge to build such a device as a Dyson sphere we probably can figure out how to keep planet destroying objects from hitting earth as well. Who really knows though. It's all theoretical wishful thinking at this point.
Blocking the sun entirely would have significant consequences for our solar system regardless of whether a civilization is classified as a Type 2 civilization on the Kardashev scale. A Type 2 civilization is defined as having the ability to harness and use the energy output of an entire star in this case our Sun. Such a civilization would typically be highly advanced technologically and capable of manipulating stellar energy on a massive scale. If a Type 2 civilization were to block the sun's light and energy it could disrupt the delicate balance of our solar system. The Sun is the central source of energy that sustains all life on Earth. It provides heat and light drives the climate system and is crucial for the growth of vegetation through photosynthesis. Blocking the sun entirely could lead to a rapid cooling of the Earth causing the atmosphere to freeze and the extinction of most forms of life.Moreover the Sun's gravity holds the planets in orbits and any disturbance to this gravitational balance could lead to significant disruptions in the solar system. For example without the gravitational pull of the Sun the stability of the planetary orbits would be compromised potentially leading to collisions or ejections of planets from the solar system. Therefore while a Type 2 civilization might have the technological capability to block the sun it would be unlikely to do so as it would have severe consequences for the entire solar system including their own planet.
Dyson spheres seem ridiculous. An absolutely absurd amount of work and material to build a structure around a star. I'd wager that civilizations advanced enough to even pull this off would probably find more practical ways to harness energy.
What I always find funny when I see these explanations of how type 3 civs would appear to us, is by a single hypothetical way WE think they would harness the energy of a sun. Dyson spheres are the only way a type 3 civ could possibly harness the sun’s energy. No other possible ways at all.
Very short sighted.
They probably just put stars into a tardis.
Open minded enough to consider possibilities yet just short sighted enough to still be human. 😂
I always thought these were funny. We have not figured out how to speak or talk to 99.9% of the life on Earth, yet we expect to be able to communicate with any outside our world.
Type 0: Our Earth
Type 1: Earth in Dragonball Universe
Type 2: Friezas empire
Type 3: King Kai
Type 4: Supreme Kai's / Beerus (destroyer gods)
Type 5: Angels (WhIS)
Type 6 : Zeno
Type 7 : Akira Toriyama in DBZ universe.
@my_father_sorry_i_am_lying_now 🤨
I love this lol
Anime is gay
Wtf are those
I think that maybe civilizations do not need that much energy . All they need is to learn how to use that same amount of energy more effectively. For ex- if something takes 1000 units of energy right now , then to become a higher civilization we need to learn how to do that same thing in just 10 units
Wow that Dyson sure is a legend. Bag less hoovers to harnessing the power of stars. What a guy
Most underrated comment here.
Wrong Dyson. This was Miles Dyson the creator of Skynet neural net processor, not the vacuum merchant.
Type 7 civilization sounds alot like what happens when you die.
The problem here is just thinking in how those civs just make energy, now as a basic civilization, how we take our energy is like 1% of the things we know and do. Civs in level 2, 3 and 4 can be doing crazy things out there, like having a portion of the universe totally under their control as Truman but not with a dome, with and entire galaxy... just think about it and us...
It's hard to believe that a species would be recognizable by the time they hit 7
Its basically replacing God and letting him retire.
@@istaphobe god is probably a byproduct of the imagination of a tier 7 child
@@josephjucker5620depends on which “god” if it’s an All-powerful God then he folds the type 7 civilization at will.
@josephjucker5620 Ya I wonder who appeared in 20th century Portugal and how thousands of people witnessed a miracle or realized their clothes are dry and any skeptic their converted to catholicism.
Hmmm...
I wonder why it would take most stadiums in the world just to imprint Christ's image in a shroud.
Riiiight an "imagination".
@@istaphobeNo it practically wouldn't.
A finite being could never become an omnipotent being unless it is by proxy.
Given the vastness of time and the potential for any of these civilizations to abruptly end at any given time for any number of reasons, it's highly unlikely that any type 1,2, or 3 would exist in the same galaxies at the same time, making it unlikely that they might detect one another, let alone galaxies close enough to one another to make intergalactic contact possible or less unlikely, to the extent that the word "likely" can be used in that sentence with any relevancy given the astronomical factors.
This is what we as humans can only comprehend with our ability to think, imagine if there are beings out there with much larger intellectual level maybe even unlimited thinking abilities that see our struggles as a complete joke
Why shouldn't they? A type 3 civilization has colonized a whole galaxy, that a single event to one of these planets eradicates the whole civilization is highly unlikely.
thought like a human... in reality there are bound to be entire federations of aliens in the vastness of space. Statistics will always prove this right.
Only 1 and 2 level would be able to live in the same galaxy while being unoticed by each other .
Luckily for us we are one of the first if not the only intelligent life in the universe. What is intelligent life you ask? I don't know, it might be as simple as multi cell organisms which we are the only of which is very far off from intelligence as the word first appears.
We haven't found any other forms of life in the universe with a universe so large, Earth so young and how far we have advanced, it's a safe bet to say we are one of the first if not only intelligent life in the entire universe. Because if we weren't their would be countless species/civilizations from other planets which would have conquered the entire universe before our Planet even formed, hell maybe that has happened and that's why we see nothing else as we are already within the influence of a truly advanced species and everything we experience in our reality was created or at least influenced by them. Maybe getting that advanced is impossible and technology can only advance basically as far as we have gotten and just stops, no more is possible. We should still be able to detect an unfathomable amount of civilizations out in the universe on similar technology levels to ours but we don't, because we are the only ones :) Or have basically already been consumed by an unfathomably more advanced species :(@@97_Fredo
I think Dyson sphere is just an idea of how a type 2 civilisation would be, but in general the Dyson sphere can really effect the speed of the whole solar system along with the sunlight getting to other planets too
We wouldn't need the sun if we could make a sphere that big we would have so much energy that we could probably find a way to help our plant thrive of even be able to control the solar system as a whole
Let me remind you that any object beyond a certain distance speeds away from us so rapidly that even if we left today in an imaginary ship that traveled at the speed of light, we’d be unable to reach it. Somethings out there we just can’t see it or it hasn’t cast its shadow yet.
Yep. God.
Or maybe we can travel faster than light?
@@Jee2024IIT The UFO/UAP whistleblower just stood in front of congress and said It derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics. Imagine a 3-D object such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2-D surface. This is called the holographic principle. You can be projected from higher dimensional space to lower dimensional [space]. That was mind blowing.
Plot of The Expanse (Leviathan Wakes).
I like how he’s mapping this out like their whole plan isn’t going to change once they actually start exploring outer space. can we find a Titan world?
There is a ‘world’ called titan. It’s actually a moon of Saturn. It’s one of the few other worlds in the solar system that sustains liquid lakes on its surface. Those lakes are methane
A lot of this may simply be impossible. For instance, how do you even gather the resources to build a Dyson Sphere? Let alone travel inter dimensional realms.
In my opinion anything higher than type1 civilization is impossible and can only exist in someone's childish imagination.
A lot of this may simply be impossible. For instance, how do you even gather the resources to build a CPU? Let alone General Artificial intelligence.
Maybe Ai can upgrade itself without anyone doing anyone maybe it can find the super fuel needed for Dyson sphere it's just trial and error, with ai it's much faster
@@FLLLLORIDAMAN quite easily, they are made from locally abundant silicon! Took a very few years for us to progress from simple electro mechanical computers to the CPUs we have now. Constructing anything at all in the near vacuum of space from local materials is a more bit tricky. Maybe take a conveniently placed planet and somehow atomise it?? Using some sort of easy to find planet cracking energy.... But that would only give you a ring.... and beyond that you'd be looking for some more new and magical processes to produce a sphere that could harvest the star's energy. Pure fantasy IMO....
@@exe9805 AI? ... Computer says 'NO!'
man, this really got me thinking of "what ifs." its cool to think about but also scary. Very interesting video.
type 6: We rule everything. type 7: I HAVE WATCHED YOU SINCE THE BEGINNING AND LIVED INSIDE OF YOUR REALITY MACHINE AND OUTSIDE OF REALITY. I EXIST ONLY BECAUSE I THINK I EXCIST. SUBSEQUENTLY SO DO YOU. *Speaking both inside the machine that generates reality and outside of the machine that generates reality at the same time*
We hit stage 7 and it turns out we’ve all been livin’ inside some giant size Dyson Vacuum Cleaner.
I know I'm wrong, but I like to think that any organism that changes to adapt and evolve would ultimately get past any filter. Even with dooming ourselves, I'm sure a different branch of technology will move on ahead. Constantly filtering it's self out for new, stronger, better, and / or smarter just to live on to survive. Also, idk what I'm saying. Thanks for reading 😊
Idk why but this comment is wholesome
I’d like to believe the same thing, nowadays we are faced with so many crises I only imagine it will get worse. Despite this generation not doing much to give me a lot of faith in them, I do believe there may be a chance for humanity to survive and later thrive to ascend to any one of these civilization types. I only wish I could be there to see it
Natural selection at a cosmic level.
Humanity has overcome so many supposed filters.
In the 19th century humans believed to have reached an upper limit on what is possible to sustain in human population, that the 19th century would be followed by a century in decline, where millions starve to death, until a new cycle starts... and then Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch discovered the Haber-Bosch-Synthesis, with which to create fertilizer more or less out of thin air. Without that, we wouldn't be able to feed the billions of humans we have today and expecting some more billions to be added in the next decades.
And after all, one guy theorized this and suddenly it is supposed to be a dogmatic law of nature? That thinking is imho too rigid, that guy could also be simply wrong and we could be just one of the first species in the known universe to come as far as we did, which would explain, why we didn't discover any aliens so far, we just got lucky.
But the thing is that we as an organism don't adapt or evolve.
When great disasters wipes out majority only individuals who already had traits necessary to survive get to live and pass on their genes. That is how insects that are resistant to insecticides came to be and why we need to use more and more of them to protect crops.
We found a level 7. God.
Lmao
We found god? Where was he hiding?
Fascinating stuff. Humanity has precisely zero chance of ever accomplishing any of these amazing feats, but the ideas are spectacular.
Our limit/hardcap is Type 2 possibly, as that sounds somewhat plausible. But To reach Boundless Godhood that transcends the very idea of what is realy- Type 7 impossible, I think if there is Type 7 Civilization they are GODS, they always existed, will exits, Transcending all possile concepts Like Math, death, Life, Time, space, dimensionality.Esentialy All we see Now is Just Shadow Projected From Higher Layer of reality And Highest realm Would Be Realm of Type 7 Beings, wich is also Perfect and Place where all ideas and archetypes reside.
How do you know?
@@jimmcneal5292 Because I know that betting on a paralyzed horse is a bad idea and am simply applying the same logic.
@@CommodoreFloopjack78 Analogy is not an argument, and your is not even in any way reasonable
@@CommodoreFloopjack78 You're not betting against a paralyzed horse. You're betting against history.
I love how when you reach a certain point you essentially just become god with the Kardishev scale. And since a type 7 civilization is beyond space/time/reality that's about as far as you can go.......then a type 8 civilization comes along.
Turtles baby
Those scholars were just probably imagining how cool it would be to live in a super advance civilization with limitless energy and they just added those to the scale.
How would a type 2 civilization acquire the materials required to construct a dysons sphere? I feel like the matter required would exceed what exists on the home planet.
I love these over exaggerated theories.
Yes, over exaggerated theories
These intellectuals are unfit for survival even in intolerable heat of deserts or in snowy lands of North pole even on this planet earth.
But, they spin theories of all types to console their intellectality.
This can happen
@@Swaggywasherecan.. but definitely won't.. humans ain't gonna be around for long enough to see any of this happen sadly (or maybe not so sadly)
Something similar to this has been written by the man who claims that he has been with aliens
that's why they'll probably stay theories
I believe that our breakthrough point for a type 1 Civ is coming sooner then we expect, with the rapid advancement of AI in the last decade ( half of it actually ), and the conception of Quantum Computers becoming reality we are about to see big changes in our society and technology. I can't say i'm not excited about it but i'm also deeply worried, I won't dwell on the whys now since it's a lot to unpack but quite convinced that the 300 years expectancy can be cut by a lot, I don't know how much it's pure expeculative but I would say 30-100 years max. Let me hear your thoughts on this guys!
I feel like this is the “what the 1900s people think the 2000s would be like” all over again. As much as we can imagine and predict, the actual truth would be far from what we thought. So even if we did become a type I civilization within the next century, it would be drastically different. I do agree that we might achieve type I sooner than we think, since our growth has been exponential, but we will never know what would actually happens in the future.
agree
If there are aliens out there, I don't see it ending well for us. Given that they would've been monitoring our transmissions and would view us as a brutish warlike society incapable of working towards a peaceful universe.
@@mikdale666you do have a point
@@mikdale666 most definitely, just imagine looking down this unknown civilization just to see them fighting eachother for resources or stupid reasons in a planet where we are already the dominant species it’s so ridiculous when u put in perspective
There is one major question. How would we build something large enough such as the dyson sphere as well as with what material that is able to handle the constant heat and radiation from the sun. Lastly, wouldn't the gravity of the sun pull said object into it?
need to have said objects tidal locked, extreme precision would be required
I suggest watching the video of this topic by Kurzgesagt
I mean if your willing to use a planet for it Mercury has been sitting there for eons lol
It is possible to achieve orbit as a sphere around a gravity source. There'd have to be some crazy and rapid axial wobble but it's (theoretically) possible. A black hole with a kinetic generator would be much easier
Would the caveman be able to question how we fly?
I think type 2 is he best and realistic outcome for humanity and even then it would take an unreal amount of work, technology advancement, and cooperation from every nation for that to be realized. I hate to say it but we’d have to basically advance our bodies to viltrumite levels as well.
Videos like this always make me wish I was born centuries later
I don’t know. But I find this theory as flawed. It assumes that increasing amounts of energy is what determines a higher level civilization. My thinking is that a higher level civilization has evolved to a level where more can be done with less energy. Like a super optimized way of using energy.
Odd statement. I would think something super optimized. Would be something incredibly small to produce massive amounts of energy. Any civilization that is going to colonize a planet will need massive amounts of energy specially if their cells or biosphere is the least bit similar to ours.
Optimized energy usage is a thing, but there are physical limits to how much you can stretch energy usage. And at the same time all of these theories are human concepts, there might be civilizations way beyond our understanding. We as humans are young and know nothing of the universe in my eyes. Its like monkeys trying to understand calculus or beings from 2D trying to understand 3D.
@@Lennji Elon has a powerfull engine on a massive ship that runs on hydrogen. Nuclear plants are not needed in mars. In fact different forms of energy have been around for a very long time they just arent used because the world is ran by petrol criminals that will not be able to capitalize on something that runs on water or compressed air even lol.
Type 7 is simple. It's the realm of the gods of the multiverse.
I would disagree with the energy consumption theory, because the one thing that you also are missing, is the amount of waste. Yes, we use and consume a lot of energy, but a lot what we consume, also creates a lot of waste. That wastefulness of our civilization also holds us back. So, what if you can consume all the oil on the planet, or all the coal, or all the trees, or all the water, or even all the sunlight. The machines we use in order to use that energy, also produces a lot of byproducts that we call waste. And since we waste a lot of that energy production, we can't really advance. So, when you start talking about, "Oh a civilization is type 1 or type 2 because it uses the resources of a planet, sun, solar system, galactic arm, or the galaxy itself...how much waste has to be neutralized in actuality to achieve that level of civilization. What does a civilization need, to cut out that waste, before it can really achieve greatness in energy use and consumption, while at the same time as cutting waste. In order to create say a solar panel to take in radiant energy of the sun, you have to have a production facility in order to create these panels, however one of the byproducts of this creation of a solar panel, actually creates a noxious gas, which is released into the atmosphere. It's cancerous. So yes, it's viable energy alternative that does fix a few problems, with the creation of energy, but the production of the material components has a negative impact towards life. So how do you cut out, the waste/garbage/poison produced in order to step up to the next level of this "Civilization Level". You cannot postulate these levels of civilization because, you're just guessing what it will take to achieve it. But we're not even a class 0 society. We don't even really measure near zero at all. The reason for this is, because we still haven't found a long-term solution to our waste that we create. We have come up with new methods of energy production, but at the same time, we have created new waste. Unless you deal with the waste at the same time as the energy production, then you're not really going to advance as a civilization. Your jus creating new problems with new garbage, and just treading water.
When the ants start crawling in your house "trying to get in contact with you" what do you do to them... i hope that answers your question "if we should ever get in contact with them" ... :D
Sometimes I'm in a good mood and gently put the ants back outside my window. So, we best hope whomever we find is in a good mood when we find them
And we cannot even harness the power of lightning
Nor cure disease
@@kosmiqueSolar panels contain silver which is already being depleted. Plus they need go be replaced every 25 to 30 years. It takes fossil fuels to mine the silver and its estimated that there will be 80 megatonnes of waste panels by 2050. Solar panels are not the way forward long term. I wonder how they are going to harness the suns energy
@@kosmique Why do we need energy. what do we use it on. especially that much
It will be interesting to see how much our own development on the Kardishef scale will be held back by greedy corporations despite the unquestionable benefits of technology that make products obsolete that currently are used to grant them power, authority, and control over others. Now that we are aware of the reverse engineering programs of extra-terrestrial technology, how much our level of technology has been accelerated.
Greed. Envy. Hate. All of which are the catalyst of negative beginnings. We have too many negative humans holding us back.
Yeah, it's gonna be pretty hard to get past 3 in the Kardashev scale, considering we'd need things that literally do not exist, such as wormholes, white holes, alternate dimensions, and the like XD
@@peterhiser7883right? This entire thing is absolute fiction
I'd wager government would hold us back more than corporations. Nearly every technological pioneer in recent history has been a private entity, while we, for example, continue using military technology from the 80s.
In Summary: Type 7 civilizations are likely so advanced it’d be like staring at Cthulu
I'm from India. Your concepts makes some sense. I read all our hindu mythologies. There are many types of this in that stories especially the three supreme gods called brahma, vishnu and shiva all these gods sounds like type 7. But what I wonder is how humans got these information such long back. Is it possible that many civilizations evolved in earth and left earth long long back
im sorry but religious myths made by early humans trying to figure out the world have no link to science fiction.... wait... or maybe they have... Anyway. It's like seeing shape in the clouds. Your mind try to see a connection but its an illusion
it’s possible that we may have been visited by type 7 beings in hopes that they would help our civilization grow
I think the great filter is space, just the sheer distance is so great that big space travel would require huge cruisers that can support generations
You’re not grasping this at all
If they ever did find anything, they wouldn't tell us. It does make you wonder what they have found already to encourage them to build everything they already have, such as telescopes and radio towers larger than 10 football feilds.
Yeah, absolutely
Who is “they”?
@@dforrest4503 They would be, "the powers at be." The boogeyman, MIB, your high school science teacher, spooks. If you don't know who, "they" are, its because you're trapped in the matrix.
Aliens should fear us, we have blue haired girls on the Power LvL of Ssj Blue Goku
The great filter for us is clearly religion and greed
And nukes. Or a large asteroid.
Religion is the only thing that keeps society stable. You're just an edgy atheist
How do we know that a type seven civilization was not our creator?
I was thinking the same thing. It's basically a scientific theory of God. You have to think if such a thing could exist, being that it would take 10 duodecillion years to reach it which is unfathomably longer than the age of the universe, that such beings would have existed through countless deaths and rebirths of the universe or multiverse, and more or less control all of them.
The Lord created even type 7s.
@@randybaumery5090In this hypothetical scenario, type 7 means the lord himself
The human idea of “god” requires humans to worship it. In reality, humans wouldn’t even be on a type 7 civilizations radar. We would be to them what a dust mite is to us. Probably even less than that.
@@100percentSNAFU Yeah pretty much. According to the theory a type 7 civilization/singularity/hivemind or whatever form it may take would be incorporeal, omnipresent, encompass all timelines and could freely travel anywhere in the Omniverse. Time and distance would not be an issue.
I've always wondered why the goal is to colonise other galaxies? As opposed to perhaps developing human abilities to be able to create itself, create our own cosmos from start to finish. How does striving to be the most powerful in a creation thats not yours make you excellent? On the other hand being able to create oneself one can survive any catastrophe this reality throws at it,you become independent on the rise and fall of this reality as you develop the ability to create oneself over and over again.
Cuz white folk love to steal things that don't belong to them and then call themselves great. Look at most of the modern inventiond, they would lead you to believe that they made everything.
Our history isn't taught accurately. Rant over
Also your idea is a lot cooler
Because basically all species try to populate all the space they can survive in
Know you are definitely talking about a Type 7 civilisation 😂, recreate the cosmos. Wow!!, But I do belive that we can reach immortality in our current type 1 civilisation, even though the scale puts it as type 3.
I think cuz we need more energy.
Discontent & Greedy.
something interesting that people seem to gloss over and forget about is how time works. Outside of our planet, time is completely different, and each planet would have its own unique time depending on its distance from its sun, speed of rotation, and probably a bunch of other stuff im forgetting
We haven’t found any intelligent life so far in space or in Washington D. C. But I’m willing to bet we will find intelligent life in space one day.
"Or in Washington DC" 🤣
I wanted to use this joke but I forgot that I serve in the US Navy. Dammit
I already reach civilization type 3 multiple times command the whole galaxy. I also have built Dyson Sphere, quantum catapult, ring world, etc.
Yeah it's easy, I've also skipped grades and directly ascended to a higher dimension and going from tier 3 to tier 6 right awayby completing my aetherophasic engine, only took me a few hours!
Could the enormous voids found scattered throughout the universe actually have the same amount of mass and matter as the other parts of the universe? The reason why they appear void is due to the hi tech advantages of "higher" life forms?
No. Voids are voids because they are filled with emptiness. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
@@Bluepheonix420 It has been proven that space has natual created voids with nothing in it. They are not evidence that type 3 worlds existsts.
@@queenbrightwingthe3890what's proven. Most of the things you see out there, if you step inside you probably won't be able to come back to tell the tale even if you survived.
It's really sad how humans evolved from curious beings to dogs that listen to everything others told them.
I agree. A highly advanced civilization would eventually become aware of it's civilization's energy outputs and may learn how to hide or ofuscate the signals it emits knowing others may seek it out.
In the Dark Forrest model of the universe, the ability to hide might be something of a desired survival trait for newly emerging civilizations.
Those voids are void of planets as far as we know. It's something to do with how galaxies form and leave pockets of empty space.
You're exactly right. There's nothing we can "see from here". 🤔@@stevoplex
GREED is the filter that could stop humans from progressing to the next level of civilization
Well considering we haven't found a 1-6, it would be safe to say the title is correct
History always repeats itself.
Our designer decides we're we go. And I believe there is a seven and he chooses what limits are set
We used to all speak the same language. And we reached amazing heights in a very short amount of time.
as a type 8 dude myself I agree with this video
I hope we find an intelligent species cause this one called humanbeings is a big let down😅
Until that intelligent species turns out to be a homicidal warmongering species looking to blow us up for fun
So type 7 is God.
If god existed
I believe everything in the universe is the by product of the birth of creation , like after birth but some universes may twins or so on .. The immense power it would take to create just 1 planet with life is unimaginable
Glad to see you got type 1 correct. For some reason I see too many channels saying “we’d have full control of our planet” like no bro we aren’t going to control our weather.
And while I agree Fusion is the way forward, I disagree that fission has a “high risk of accident.”
It’s far and away the safest per megawatt, even considering the deaths and long term effects from major accidents.
It's the Type 127 civilizations I'm worried about
i mean what would dat actually be like
@chrisbrownie1511 Idk but it scares me silly
What about the speed of thought?
Without technology in the picture, wouldn't reaching a state of Nirvana for Buddhists technically be a type 7 state of being/consciousness due to the subject transcending their physical being and becoming one with the universe/everything?
Well scientifically ur just a complex arrangement of molecules that can do anything in order to survive. When u die everything you did while u were alive is meaningless ur body breaks down into what it originally was. Just molecules of carbon, calcium,etc.
So how exactly is Nirvana a type 7 civilization even related to deep meditation and dying
It was said that level 7 civilizations are creators of natural laws.. have you seen a buddhist create natural laws???
@@horridwilting640 no need for 3 question marks my friend, I'm just spit balling possibilities that neither of us have the answer to. How do we know that once they transcend they aren't the master over their own universe in a spiritual sense? Wouldn't that be there new reality and therefore they could naturally change whatever they wanted? (???????)
@@accuser_of_the_brethren7816 exactly i didnt know so that is the reason that i asked??? Also if its only their own universe that they can manipulate then its not a type 7ish creature as what the vid3o stated???
Instant dislike for the slander of nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is currently our cleanest and most efficient form of energy and I'm extremely disappointed in what you had to say about it.
The Great Filter is a theoretical concept that is often discussed in the context of the Fermi Paradox. The Fermi Paradox is the apparent contradiction between the high probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations and the lack of evidence for, or contact with, such civilizations. The Great Filter is proposed as a possible explanation for this paradox.
The Great Filter suggests that there may be a major obstacle or challenge that prevents civilizations from advancing beyond a certain point in their development. This obstacle could be anything from the emergence of life, the development of intelligence, the rise of technology, the ability to colonize other planets, or something else entirely.
One possibility is that the Great Filter is behind us, meaning that we have already overcome the major obstacle that prevents civilizations from advancing beyond a certain point. Another possibility is that the Great Filter is still ahead of us, meaning that we have not yet encountered the major obstacle that will prevent us from advancing further.
If the Great Filter is behind us, it could mean that we are among the few civilizations in the universe that have managed to overcome this obstacle, which would explain why we have not yet detected any other intelligent life in the universe. However, if the Great Filter is ahead of us, it could mean that our civilization is at risk of being destroyed by a catastrophic event that we have not yet encountered.
The concept of the Great Filter is still largely speculative, and there is no clear consensus on what the major obstacle or challenge may be. Some scientists and thinkers have proposed that it could be related to the development of artificial intelligence, climate change, nuclear war, or something else entirely. However, the idea of the Great Filter raises important questions about the nature of life, intelligence, and technological advancement in the universe, and it is a topic of ongoing research and discussion among scientists and philosophers.
Personally, I like the great filter theory as it is a very plausible explanation to the lack of evidence of extraterrestrial life. Keep in mind also there could be multiple filters each with their own unique set of challenges to overcome. Some may be behind us, some ahead. The obvious one that would be in the future is self annihilation by technology (AI, nukes, etc.). Natural disasters and cosmic events like Gamma Ray Bursts, Supernovae, etc are always a possibility as well, but that's more of a random shot that may or may not ever effect us. Our position in the galaxy gives us an advantage, being in somewhat of the galactic "boondocks". Other civilizations may not have been so fortunate. Or maybe it is impossible for life to even exist in more chaotic regions like nearer the galactic centre.
Type 1, 2001 a space odyssey, Aliens, Type 2, Star Trek, Star Wars, Type 3, Dune, Foundation, Type 4, The Celestials, Q, various demigods, Type 5, just like magic, but science, type 6, basically godlike, angels, demons, type 7, God.
God does not belong to this any types! He is the apha and Omega, let say a civilization! But not a civilization! Those types are from the inside of time! but not the outside! It's because GOD is outside of time it means he is not a type or civilization he is the light of all civilizations!
Um... Interstellar, humanity from future - witch type u think they're are? 😊
@@jakeelcano6985yes, type 7
@@kbanghart type 7 is almost godlike civilization can create and recreate through their thoughts almost a God.. but not a almighty God! An omega being is not a civilization nor a type.. he is a source of being type
Q is 5 according to the Kardishev scale wiki. and how did Dune beat Star Trek and Star Wars? I am not all that impressed with Dune compared to Trek and Wars. Also, 7 is too low for God since there are already theories of higher number scales. God would have to be higher than the highest that can be comprehended by humans. The Kardishev scale wiki goes well beyond 7.
I have a strong feeling that there isn’t enough matter within our local galactic neighborhood to make a Dyson sphere. It will require us to not only travel at near light speeds, but also do it with massive payloads from other regions of space.
It wouldn't be a solid structure, rather, smaller structures orientated around the sun.
@@Doobency Even as a minimal construct, if it’s diameter is that of our orbit. There is still no doubt in my mind it would require more solid useful matter to create this than our local galactic neighborhood.
You're right there. To build a Dyson sphere takes an enormous amount of refined metals and materials. Far more than is generally available in any given solar system.
The raw forms of those metals and materials only make up a small percentage of any given solar system, you'd need the metal of dozens if not hundreds of solar systems to complete a Dyson sphere.
Then there is the time it takes to collect, refine and transport the material back to the Dyson sphere and the construction time itself.
We're lucky a neighboring, more advanced civilization hasn't stripped our system of it's metals, leaving us unable to advance past a certain point.
If you like this stuff, check out the "we are legion, we are Bob" audio books. It's about a startrek nerd becoming a Von Noyman probe.
@@andrewgardiner563 Oh shove it other Andrew. Shit stirring among the doppelgängers is not permitted, lol. And there is not enough solid matter to make a Dyson sphere in this solar system. Now if we could convert the gas giants into workable material, maybe one at the distance of Venus could be possible, but it would take converting all mass to that project still.
@@hugovandyk9918Isaac Arthur talks about this and other megastructures at great length. It’s definitely possible even at our current level of technology.
One massive, somewhat theoretical advancement though would be extracting the heavier elements from our star, which would give us more than enough material and the added benefit of prolonging the life of the star.
I guess if you're going to dream....dream big. 😂
Dude stop we can do this but prolly of all us will gone but not you because your 3
don't worry, type 7 civ. has women too :D won't be peaceful all the time
I love it when I see scientists express high levels of creativity.
Who's the scientist in this one? Is the Narrator a scientist? I'm a bit skeptical of any scientist who talks about "pure energy".
The one thing missed by this. Is that before humans can reach any of these civilization levels, we first must learn to simply get along with one another on a global scale. we only need a common enemy. Something that forces us to join under a common banner. As long as we keep thinking that we are the most powerful and advanced creature we keep fighting with each other.
People always say that everyone should get along but sadly it's normally war that seems to make the most progress with things like science and engineering
Been thinking of the same thing for years. For humanity to unite and pass the Great Filter, a catalyst along the flow of human history needs to exist, a catalyst that makes the unity of the whole human race an absolute necessity. An intelligent person would realize this, and maybe then they would be willing to be that catalyst, like a necessary evil, or a Thanos kind of character. They would need to be idealistic and pragmatic, logical and emotional, and willing to adapt their ways and methods but also standing their ground on their principles.
I imagine this individual would be the worst criminal in human history, but the greatest hero among the select few who know of the sacrifice they made themselves to be to aid humanity in its aim to reach the stars.
It wasn't missed. That's a great filter
And then you go on social media or watch the news and realise... yeah... we're never getting past type 1 lol...
Actually we are created by a level 7 civilization ~ 🤡🤡🤡
No we created by god, Allah
@@F1022 Allah huh, IDK my friend. To each his own.
The concept of even type 4 is wild as humans can never possibly explore beyond our galatic neighborhood consisting of 5 galaxies and that is only if earth would survive for 5800 years and humans evolve and make technological advancements in an exponential rate.
Might not even reach that far since only thing that's happening is nations fighting each other for resources and leaders getting replaced, people only care about money,sex, relegion or other stupid things. Maybe people simply stop doing jobs and everyone starts creating startups and everyone sells some worthless product maybe a shampoo or a pet hair remover or some shit until some natural disaster extinct us all.
@@Swagmessiah8394 you can't travel faster than speed of light. The galaxies beyond our local group of galaxies are moving away from us faster than speed of light
@@Swagmessiah8394 I know what you are saying, like how flying and mobile phones would've been witchcraft or magic for people beyond 500 years ago but now they're common.
But about speed of light, it's just pure energy which has no mass and when u touch it it appears as light and heats ur skin. That massless energy technically should travel at infinite speed but unfortunately it doesn't. Hence with a massive object like us forget going faster then light we'd probably need energy of entire galaxies just to get closer to speed of light. Ultimately we'll just be traveling in empty space never reaching another galaxy because they're moving away from us faster faster and more faster.
@@normie111wait a minute if you can’t travel faster than light how can the galaxies themselves travel away faster then light
I wonder if we ever encounter another sentient species and discuss our society's histories. Will we find out that we're incredibly lucky? That it's a miracle we made it this far without killing ourselves? If we discuss all the hardships we as a species went through will these aliens be like "Slavery, war, holocaust, crusades, witch trials, global pollution? WTF is wrong with you people? We never went through any of that. We got along with each other better than you ever did"
Or we'd come across a civilisation that PROGRESSED through all of the evils that we have grown out of. Like- "Wait, you guys STOPPED enslaving your enemies and using them to further progress your technological domination?"
From what I’ve seen we are lucky that the Earth even made life
Also it’s weird to assume that the Aliens wouldn’t be as bad if not worse than us not saying we are saints
The great filter will simply be ourselves
I never liked the way there is such a big gap between type 2 and type 3, it just seems like there should be something between the energy of only our 1 star and the energy of the entire galaxy.. Perhaps we should consider harnessing the energy of the supermassive blackhole at the center of our galaxy as a marker for the next stage, the same way we go from our planet to the sun in the center of our solar system
Let's not beat around the bush here, a type 7 civilization, from this explanation, is essentially God. Interesting to me how when you push the limits of scientific theory, it can converge with that of the religious realm. I believe that science and religion have more in common than hardliners of either side would ever be willing to admit. We are just too primitive in our understanding of either to fully realize it.
It is interesting to know at what level in these civilizations will religion cease to exist... Or will the type 7 ones will exterminate the type 6 ones at the moment when they are about to know the secrets of how to become a type 7???
idk if im crazy but i feel like stages 1-4 seem closer than what they expect, there will no doubt be some things we figure out that we cant even think of right now that will make them come sooner
All those civilisations sound like there is no fun anymore
It's hard to watch this without thinking about the possibility that we were made by one of those civilizations. The books of history here on earth pointed indirectly to the existence of extraterrestrial life. Religious books have also pointed to such extraterrestrial beings.
It's hard to believe that in the vast and wide universe, life is exclusively available on earth alone. There is life somewhere and most importantly, there is immortality out there.
I used to think it was impossible statistically for there not to be other civilizations out there. I always assumed that evolution, which seems a pretty standard necessity for life, would always lead to superior life forms emerging and achieving higher intellect/sentience where life had time to evolve. Then Neil Degrasse Tyson hit on a theory I hadn't considered that makes as much sense as the "great filter" to explain the lack of visible sentient life or civilization out there beyond our own... sentience may actually not be conducive or necessary for life to prosper and possibly be an evolutionary dead end, especially given the only example we have. Too much intelligence leads us to where we are now, over saturated in our niche (which never ends well even in lesser evolved life), over exploiting, and unsustainable. We are constantly in a race to find new ways to maintain our ever expanding needs before we collapse our system and end up self destructing during the final struggle for limited resources.
research hippies.
Wouldn't the Type X scale start back at 0 once we moved up one dimension? It would then be about gathering energy (or something) at certain civilation levels relevant to 4D
Hopefully we can find some advanced civilization out there and friendly.
Type 0- Very Common
Type 1 civilization - Common
Type 2 civilization - Rear
Type 3 civilization- It's possible but this type of civilization is extremely rear
Type 4 civilization - universe not old enough to produce this type since it takes tens of billions of years to advance
Type 5- universe not old enough takes trillions of years to advance
Type 6 Civilization - Questionable is it even possible to have this type exist,if so let alone type 7. If it's possible it would take trillions of years to advance.
Type 7 civilization - Also questionable, for it's existence but it's possible for it's existence and takes a long time to advance.
Type 8- Now this is tricky, since this involves the outside, a realm that's currently beyond our reach and understanding. If type 7 civilization is not possible, let alone looking for type 8. The releam of the after life.
Do you mean rare?
@@xtianosickboyWell done. Pun intended 😂
@@100percentSNAFU 😂
Do mean rare
Rear as in very rear, some civilizations may have been lucky enough to advanced rapidly.
(Without watching) We could meet a type 7 and not be able to distinguish it from a type 2 or higher. (Or, if that branch were anachronists, we might think they were merely a successful type 0.) A billion Earths in a billion universes, plus a billion Scorpio superclusters in those same universes, plus our Scorpio supercluster, plus a colony in our Milky Way that we might meet.
(Post-watching) I do think we should contact known civilizations, but I think we should be able to colonize a new location first. Better would be to have a few colonies set before contact.