I will believe it when I see it. Toyota has overpromised and undelivered with EV batteries for a long time. 600 mile range on a small battery with charging in 12 minutes is very unlikely.
China has 800V supercharging technology, which can travel 415 kilometers in 10 minutes at a fast-charging station, and more than a dozen production models have applied such technology
@@EFE-vu5thwhich has nothing to do with what he said. Oh and battery voltage has nothing to do with charge times. The fundamental charge time is set by cell chemistry but can be limited by poor design choices.
@@knightsnight5929Tesla was not the only auto company that made the claim of self driving, but they are the only one that is as public about their progress and work. Nobody has it today, yet everybody and their mom said it was around the corner years ago
I drive an EV with a nominal range of about 300 miles. Factoring in the winter performance, the range at Interstate speeds, and hilly terrain, I definitely want more range for our road trips.
I agree. 400 miles is the sweet spot. This is what the rest of the industry has settled on, as the average range of a gas vehicle is almost exactly 400 miles. If you have kids you'll never make it past 400 miles anyways even with Benadryl.
Literally was gonna come down to the comments to say similar. I have yet to have the opportunity to switch to Electric 'cause... they be pricey... but while Spring, Summer, and Fall are usually pretty nice for EV driving I'm sure here in Canada, Winter is another story with notable reductions in range and I presume charging speed as well. While 300 miles (482km) isn't the worst and would probably be sufficient for most road trips during the warmer seasons, I'm sure that would drop to 240 miles (386km) at best once the temperature drops significantly closer to / beyond the freezing mark. My ideal would be anything that could do 500+ miles (804+km) so that any stops I might make I may not need to worry as much about fully charging to make it to my next destination or to my next stop. Of course I say this knowing one drive I regularly do hits a little over 600km (373 miles) one way, but doing that drive in the winter I'd rather the extra range as a buffer.
@@jonatamaniuk If you need that kind of range you might be better off waiting a couple years. The next gen batteries due early next year will have about 15 percent better density, 40 percent better charging and particularly in your case better performance in cold temperatures. Also due to the lower costs and lower weight they can theoretically increase the size of the pack as well but that's up to the manufacturer. With more competition coming to market in the next couple years they'll be a greater selection of vehicles to choose from. I always tell people to leave emotion out of the argument. EV's are incredibly fun to drive so it's hard to leave emotion out of it sometimes. Just make sure to go over the actual numbers and distances you realistically intend to drive and make sure it's right for your situation. And make sure there's adequate superchargers on your expected routes. In the US there's very few places an EV can't go but Canada is massive country with a smallish population. I've been on some of those northern roads and man you can drive for an hour and not see another vehicle.
400 miles is good enough for me, with 250kW charging speed that can be maintained well above the 80% mark. I do long journeys two or three times a year, with kids in tow, so stopping for 20-30 minutes is going to happen regardless of whether the car can carry on. Roll on the Model Y Juniper coming onto the used market!
Yes, the average range of a gas car is 400 miles or the way I drive 360. Very few people will travel more than 400 miles on a trip without stopping. Especially, if you have kids.
I look forward to discovering Tesla supercharger locations when taking roadtrips here in California. They are in good working conditions across the board plus, some stops are literally hidden gems with shopping and restaurants!
400 miles car would need roughly 110 kWh pack, and charge 230 kWh average (10 to 80%), that's 2C charging. Perfectly doable with current battery chemistry. That pack would be very heavy though. There are several cars on sale like that in China.
@@MrChakra108 Really though, I mean that 400 miles is the stated range of the car. I would intend to drive more like 250 mile hops which would take 3 hours a go on a French toll road
@@kabysummit5801 They are. In many years of using them I have only seen 2 broken Tesla chargers and it wasn't a big deal because I just moved over a spot as most of the time there are many spots available. Just try to avoid the busy chargers in LA or San diego during the 3-5pm rush hour or you may have to wait a bit. They've been installing a large amount of chargers in this area to keep up with demand but there are still wait times at some locations. Be sure to look at the app to make sure open spots are available for the chargers you are headed to.
We have a 2023 Chevy Bolt and have achieved range up to 330 miles during mild weather. Nearly all of our routine driving is local and charging at home with our solar panels and low electricity rates has been completely adequate. However, we went on a 200 mile trip a couple of months ago and ran into problems with not enough fast chargers and the ones that were available were down for maintenance or some other problem. We decided our next trip would be with a rental ICE car until we can charge at Tesla chargers which work and are much more available. With 600 miles of range we could have done the entire trip and only charged at home. It would also allow skipping locations with bad chargers and going on to the next city in a long distance trip. I am 100% in favor of “the more range the better”. Also with bidirectional charging and using it to power our house during outages would be much better with more capacity.
I understood where you coming from. But it doesn't make sense to me carry large battery and so much energy around 98% of time. Cars already sit idle 23 out of 24 hours a day. Furthermore, such large packs push the car price up significantly. In reality, the focus has been mostly on fast charging than range. We'll see mainstream cars stabilizing at ~400 miles range and fast charging capability. Chinese CATL and BYD (2 largest battery manufacturers) already follow this pathway.
I know right ! Yet the people are really excited for the new Tacoma and Land Cruiser, the market will decide and Toyota is ready for whatever sells on behalf of shareholders
@@williamcrowley5506you’re missing their point. Toyota has base solid state battery claims since *2008* Until they actually have something to show for themselves they are no longer to be taken seriously. They have been nothing but empty claims, and we have yet to even see prototypes. They’re also still saying hydrogen is the future while they have something as game changing as a solid state battery? It’s all bullshit until they show the bare minimum level of credibility
There are a number of factors that could explain Toyota's change of heart. One possibility is that they have finally developed battery technology that is cost-competitive with gasoline-powered vehicles. Another possibility is that they have become more confident in the long-term viability of the electric vehicle market. Whatever the reason, it is clear that Toyota is now ready to compete in the electric vehicle market. They have a strong brand name, a deep history of innovation, and a wealth of experience in automotive manufacturing. They are well-positioned to be a major player in the electric vehicle market in the years to come.
I hope your right. I just wish they'd stop the bipolar statements from their management. One day they say they have a super battery and the next day they'll state the EV's over hyped and Ice is the future. Some of these statements coming from Akio Toyoda himself.
@@Ryan-ff2db I understand your concern about the mixed messages coming from Toyota's management regarding their electric vehicle strategy. It can be confusing and frustrating to hear conflicting statements from a company that is supposed to be a leader in the automotive industry.
Yep. If I was forced into buying an EV in a few years it certainly would not be a Tesla. I rented a brand new one last year for 10 days. Appalling quality control. Panel gaps that a snake could crawl through, ridiculous big screen flapping around over corrugations, cheap plastic trim, and the range and charging experience was terrible. I have owned 4 HiLux's and a Toyota Corona (plus several other vehicles, Ford, GM, etc) over many decades and I would probably go the Toyota EV route when they eventually get properly sorted out. I also will never buy a Chinese car, EV or ICE.
@@ivannavi8154 You should see the newer Ford and RAM diesel work trucks. I've had 23 recalls in the last 2 years, with one recall on my RAM 3500 for a fire hazard, which their fix is to recommend not parking it in a garage or near structures. This in not a joke, it literally says that on the recall notice because they don't have a fix for it yet. My little model 3 is actually really well put together compared to those piles of crap. If you had one of the early models Y's out of Texas or one of the earlier model 3's I know they had issues but I agree Toyota's are generally higher quality. BMW seems to have actually received first shipments of solid state batteries from a company called Solid Power for testing purposes. They appear to believe they can get these to market in 2025. To what quatitly who knows but the future is getting really interesting.
There are batteries in development with much higher energy density. They're being developed for air travel. The cost is the problem with considering them for cars. Also cycle life is a concern.
It doesn't matter how energy dense the batteries are, if their capacity is 80kwh, they could weigh zero and you still couldn't build the rest of a full-sized vehicle light enough to get 620 miles from that size pack unless it was on a course going 30mph so wind resistance had no effect, or it was mostly downhill getting regenerative braking. Maybe an Aptera could do it, but nothing Toyota would build.
@@kirkellis4329yup, exactly. That or Toyota has broken the laws of physics 😂. The improvements they’d have to have made in motor efficiency and aerodynamics are simply not possible, in my opinion as well. Coming soon… the Toyota Neutron with physics from a neighbouring universe!
I know Tesla already have a battery pack that will do 1000 miles in a model three. The only issue is you can’t charge it more than 80 times. Okay, so that’s 80,000 miles from a pack, but it’s still less than you would get from existing chemistries.
I wouldn't need 600 miles often, but I've had to drive 560 miles in 1 day a couple times in my life. And yeah, having to stop only 10 minutes of that would be ideal when that round-trip has to be done.
10% to 80% reduces rage from 620 miles to 430 miles. About what my wife and I get with our mini van or Honda Accord on long trips. On long trips we spend less than 10 minutes on combination fuel and restroom breaks when we need fuel. We carry our food and eat as we drive. But current prices mean that the cost premium for an EV will pay for fuel for our IC vehicles forever. More so since we can buy used or just keep what we have.
Deja Vu moment when Nokia and Microsoft promising how Nokia Winphones will wipe Apple iPhones and Google Androids from the face of the Earth. Big game changing promises, very convincing, yada yada, then what happened. I feel the same tone and vibes here from Toyota.
To be fair, my wife absolutely loved her Microsoft windows phone and she clung onto it for years after its sell by date, even after dropping it in the bath. I guess having a brilliant product is all very well, but it’s much more difficult trying to edge your way into a mature market.
C'mon Toyota....you keep teasing all of this great battery tech, where's the beef? It would be great if some of this tech actually started showing up in dealer showrooms 🙂 I think we are all eagerly looking forward to the Toyota compact fusion reactor/super capacitor battery!
600 Mi of range out of an 80 kilowatt hour battery pack is ludicrous, that's 7.5 Miles per KWh, that's impossible you'd have to do some insane weight reduction with great aerodynamics or make a very very small car, something like an Aptera, no regular sized hatchback or sedan could dream of that kind of efficiency.
They may be late, but their race is not sprinting but rather endurance. They did the same in the past heading on the big 3 coming into the north american market. They all too said they are gonna stay behind.
1000 km translates into 500km in winter. This is barely enough and you need infrastructure to charge them fast. Note if we go all electric, the power grid needs to double in size
Absolutely, believe it. However, we have been hearing from other companies like $MMAT that are capable of extending range. I believe Tesla has similar technology coming and I think it's unlikely that any one vendor will have exclusivity
It would be unsurprising to learn that Toyota has been doing deep battery research for a long time and may have had significant breakthroughs. It would also be unsurprising to learn they had on numerous occasions decided to not deploy the battery tech because they didn't want to cannibalize their ICE divisions just yet. Things have changed and now it seems now they are finally ready.
Hahaha yeah right! Toyota are just behind and trying to keep up the image by drowning us with renderings of concept cars and fictional stories about their solid state batteries.
The problem is Toyota have been dropping stories about solid state batteries being on the brink of production for over ten years now. They've spread FUD just to discourage people from buying other BEVs. If they genuinely have a disruptive, or better battery technology, the simple way to convince people of the fact is to manufacture it and put them to the test in the marketplace. But they just spread more and more FUD.
Fantastic. Love this competition. Hope it’s true. Competition and race to the top to provided the best ev is the best. Go Toyota go Tesla. Ho BYD. Give us the best if the best
Hope is not a strategy. Don't believe everything you hear about EV battery advancements. Legacy auto is 5-10 years behind Tesla & the Chinese EV makers. Unless legacy auto can actually prove any advancements are true by showing real world results to everyone, then it's just hot air and vaporware. How many years has Toyota been touting their solid state batteries while pushing out the delivery date and not showing any results? And how long has Toyota had serious issues (still unresolved) with their BFD4x (BZ4X)? Be a skeptic and critical thinker when it comes to new technology.
@@tomdrewenskus8167 you’re right but competition is still a good thing and it is fact that range and performance and battery capacity safety and significant improvements have been accomplished over a few years. Probably better words than hope is “ reasonably probability”
It's not only about the range, the cost of driving would also drop. If you can charge 80kwh and get 1000km instead of 500km, that will half the cost on your electricity bill.
How match the drive engine uses power is the key not how big you battery is. Solid state makes it possible to get great weight / density ratio but it does not magically lower your consumption into 2kwh/100
Toyota has been saying that for over a decade. And they're still claiming hydrogen is the future. Now they also have LFP batteries. Why? They have solid state batteries. Looks like Toyota is going to be producing two different types of batteries and hydrogen fuel vehicles.
@@felixsu375 precisely, the amount of directions they’re going is pretty comical. Why would you develop a hydrogen car if you had such game changing battery technology? Making a gas car that gets 200 mpg would make sense, because the infrastructure for it exists. Building a car that none of the infrastructure exists for , while claiming you have a much superior technology of a different kind makes no sense at all. Oh yeah shareholders, we just dumped 200 million bucks into developing hydrogen cars despite knowing our BEVs were about to be world-beaters, because we felt like it.
I wouldn’t need a car with 600 miles of actual range, but those EPA ranges aren’t real at highway speeds. 450 miles of real world highway driving would be amazing… and I think a 1000km rated battery might actually get close to that. As someone who’s on their 2nd electric car and shopping for their third, cold weather and driving 80mph down the interstate still tend to kill a battery rather quickly so that extra range that seems extravagant would be rather practical in my opinion.
A Chevy Bolt will go 500 miles if you drive at 10 mph. 80 kWh is still 80 kWh, so increased efficiencies would come from drivetrain. Battery pack weight reduction is where it’s at so that EVs don’t eat tires, wear shocks, and KO wheels on potholes.
Or anything, it’s just stock manipulation they said in 2015 they had incredibly battery tech that they will deploy in 2020 that was going to obliterate Tesla It was all smoke
A max range of 350 k would be enough for me travelling around Oz. The capacity to add 300k range in 10 mins would be the big selling point , not more range
I do think that Toyota may offer a smaller EV that will replace the Yaris Cross using these new solid-state battery packs. The range will be around 500 km (310 miles) with likely use of the SAE J3400 (Tesla NACS) connector if the model is sold in North America.
80 kwh battery is equal to 8 gallons of gasoline. My last Prius had a 10 gallon tank and claimed range of 600 miles. But at freeway speeds, it would deliver 350-400 miles of range, depending on temperature, cross winds and elevation changes. If they come up with something more efficient than a Prius, they might hit that target, but it needs to be 3,000 pounds and even more aerodynamic than the Prius.
I need a reliable 30 miles, which is probably typical. Then if I can recharge at home for cheap overnight I am good. For long distance travel I typically rent. Give me an inexpensive, basic, hatchback in the low 20's
@justinr9753 tesla is the best selling EV with 70% market share. So no clue what you're trying to say. Toyota has no skin in the game and never will. Stop eating crayons.
He has over 4000 videos talking about EV's and batteries but still can't seem to understand the difference between energy and power and what units to use.
I like the enthusiasm, even if it's partially bluater. Let's make the EVs of today look like the cell phones of the 1990s. Innovation! Investment! Adoption!
Toyota is right about one thing, you need to have a target and that target needs to be much better than what consumers can buy today. Battery technology is going to improve every single year so it is a moving target. Toyota needs to dream big and ignore what is known to exist today. In fact Toyota would have been smart to not make the BZ4x and just wait until they catch up to bring out their first modern EV. The BZ4x just make them look desperate and cast doubt on their EV expertise.
Battery this battery that for a company that’s falling behind in Evies they sure do make a lot of batteries that have promised to To bury the competition
I believe that technology is a long ways away. LFP batteries are the technology of this decade. And, yes, 600 miles of range is necessary for mass adoption in the fly over states of the USA.
I have driven a Toyota aygo for 15 years and despite normal efficient driving have never managed to get its claimed 1:20 efficiency as standard. I get at best 1:16-1:18 with normal frugal use. The bz4x claimed efficiency and range has also had some controversies on news reviews. General questions can not achieving wltp range of any ice or EV be considered ethically scandalous, just like the diesel scandal?
Even if the battery weighed nothing at all, the rest of the vehicle would still weigh at least 1000kg. Basic physics says getting 8 mile per kwh in a 1000kg vehicle could be done if the car had a CD
I was thinking similarly but in Kilometers. 80 KWh battery and 1,000 KLM range is 12.5 Klm per KW. As my model 3 SR+ (which is regarded as being very efficient) gets around 8, something seems off. There’s relatively simply mass / aero Vs capacity calculations (well maybe not that simple) which would imply these figures would be impossible for a car weighing more than 850 Kg’s with a CD above 2.
Toyota continues to talk shit about EVs but at the same time claiming to possess the best EV battery technology in the world. Any thinking person can easily see what a ridiculous clown Toyota has turned into.
I wonder if they're using something similar to One+ Gemini hybrid battery that Matt Ferrell talked about recently. That battery can truly be a game changer.
In an EV "1000KM of range" gives you a "REAL" range of about 330 miles or range if you decide to carry extra passengers, luggage, towing, in cold weather... so do you need 1000Km of range?... Hell yeah! especially if you plan to use your vehicle for more than just joy riding on a Fri night... And don't forget 10-20% battery degradation after 5-10 years... So again 1000 - 20% = 800 / 3 (under load) = 270-300 miles... Come on Viking... you know these are the HARD FACTS...
600 MOR would be great. 400 is a minimum. The western US can have great distances between charging stations. It would be better if they rectified the lack of charging; then 400 MOR would be fine. BMW just came out saying prismatic is not the way to go. Lol
620 miles is range is necessary... for me. And if highway speed drive you will only get 350 miles ... or 450 km range. I doubt Toyota can get it better or cheaper than BYD in due time as they had developed more and wil do so. But with this range they can sell it as higher price product. I certainly hope so ...
You would need over 100 kw to get 1000 km of range . This seems like more vaporware from Toyota . I would like 400 miles claimed to you could get real world 300 and have some buffer for when the charge drops off 10 percent after a few years.
Unless I am going on a long journey I typically stick in $20 of gas at a time and I doubt if my habit would change, instead of driving to a gas station once a week, I just plug it in at home for an over night charge, once a week... driving is going to get so much easier
That's exactly what I used to do with my gas cars, and always down to the red. When petrol was NZ$1.80 per liter I got a consistent 110 km range, so I knew the Leaf would be fine for me. Now petrol is NZ$2.80 per liter, so today that $20 would only get me 70 km (44 miles) range!
I will believe it when I see it. Toyota has overpromised and undelivered with EV batteries for a long time. 600 mile range on a small battery with charging in 12 minutes is very unlikely.
China has 800V supercharging technology, which can travel 415 kilometers in 10 minutes at a fast-charging station, and more than a dozen production models have applied such technology
Did Toyota hire Trevor from Nikola?
@@EFE-vu5thwhich has nothing to do with what he said.
Oh and battery voltage has nothing to do with charge times. The fundamental charge time is set by cell chemistry but can be limited by poor design choices.
As does every EV company. Tesla, take a bow. Self-driving cars will be available ........................................
@@knightsnight5929Tesla was not the only auto company that made the claim of self driving, but they are the only one that is as public about their progress and work. Nobody has it today, yet everybody and their mom said it was around the corner years ago
I drive an EV with a nominal range of about 300 miles. Factoring in the winter performance, the range at Interstate speeds, and hilly terrain, I definitely want more range for our road trips.
I agree. 400 miles is the sweet spot. This is what the rest of the industry has settled on, as the average range of a gas vehicle is almost exactly 400 miles. If you have kids you'll never make it past 400 miles anyways even with Benadryl.
Literally was gonna come down to the comments to say similar. I have yet to have the opportunity to switch to Electric 'cause... they be pricey... but while Spring, Summer, and Fall are usually pretty nice for EV driving I'm sure here in Canada, Winter is another story with notable reductions in range and I presume charging speed as well. While 300 miles (482km) isn't the worst and would probably be sufficient for most road trips during the warmer seasons, I'm sure that would drop to 240 miles (386km) at best once the temperature drops significantly closer to / beyond the freezing mark. My ideal would be anything that could do 500+ miles (804+km) so that any stops I might make I may not need to worry as much about fully charging to make it to my next destination or to my next stop. Of course I say this knowing one drive I regularly do hits a little over 600km (373 miles) one way, but doing that drive in the winter I'd rather the extra range as a buffer.
@@jonatamaniuk If you need that kind of range you might be better off waiting a couple years. The next gen batteries due early next year will have about 15 percent better density, 40 percent better charging and particularly in your case better performance in cold temperatures. Also due to the lower costs and lower weight they can theoretically increase the size of the pack as well but that's up to the manufacturer. With more competition coming to market in the next couple years they'll be a greater selection of vehicles to choose from.
I always tell people to leave emotion out of the argument. EV's are incredibly fun to drive so it's hard to leave emotion out of it sometimes. Just make sure to go over the actual numbers and distances you realistically intend to drive and make sure it's right for your situation. And make sure there's adequate superchargers on your expected routes. In the US there's very few places an EV can't go but Canada is massive country with a smallish population. I've been on some of those northern roads and man you can drive for an hour and not see another vehicle.
Soon, Toyota will make a car that runs on 2 AA batteries.
Wrong!
Just 1 AA battery.
That's the plausible interpretation of the claim by Toyota.
SHHH!! We don't want anybody to know about the new Thorium nuclear AA cells yet !
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Amazing how Toyota just completely makes up stuff
Like it’s ilegal in a publicly traded company why do we still see it as a joke
I am waiting for them to say they are using a flux capacitor.
But, now filled with neutronium, instead of hydrogen.
400 miles is good enough for me, with 250kW charging speed that can be maintained well above the 80% mark. I do long journeys two or three times a year, with kids in tow, so stopping for 20-30 minutes is going to happen regardless of whether the car can carry on. Roll on the Model Y Juniper coming onto the used market!
Yes, the average range of a gas car is 400 miles or the way I drive 360. Very few people will travel more than 400 miles on a trip without stopping. Especially, if you have kids.
I look forward to discovering Tesla supercharger locations when taking roadtrips here in California. They are in good working conditions across the board plus, some stops are literally hidden gems with shopping and restaurants!
400 miles car would need roughly 110 kWh pack, and charge 230 kWh average (10 to 80%), that's 2C charging. Perfectly doable with current battery chemistry.
That pack would be very heavy though. There are several cars on sale like that in China.
@@MrChakra108 Really though, I mean that 400 miles is the stated range of the car. I would intend to drive more like 250 mile hops which would take 3 hours a go on a French toll road
@@kabysummit5801 They are. In many years of using them I have only seen 2 broken Tesla chargers and it wasn't a big deal because I just moved over a spot as most of the time there are many spots available. Just try to avoid the busy chargers in LA or San diego during the 3-5pm rush hour or you may have to wait a bit. They've been installing a large amount of chargers in this area to keep up with demand but there are still wait times at some locations. Be sure to look at the app to make sure open spots are available for the chargers you are headed to.
I have a Toyota Prius and PROUD of it! Why? Cause I live in a condo!!! No chargers!!
Those new priuses are sharp looking
We have a 2023 Chevy Bolt and have achieved range up to 330 miles during mild weather. Nearly all of our routine driving is local and charging at home with our solar panels and low electricity rates has been completely adequate. However, we went on a 200 mile trip a couple of months ago and ran into problems with not enough fast chargers and the ones that were available were down for maintenance or some other problem. We decided our next trip would be with a rental ICE car until we can charge at Tesla chargers which work and are much more available. With 600 miles of range we could have done the entire trip and only charged at home. It would also allow skipping locations with bad chargers and going on to the next city in a long distance trip. I am 100% in favor of “the more range the better”. Also with bidirectional charging and using it to power our house during outages would be much better with more capacity.
I understood where you coming from. But it doesn't make sense to me carry large battery and so much energy around 98% of time. Cars already sit idle 23 out of 24 hours a day. Furthermore, such large packs push the car price up significantly.
In reality, the focus has been mostly on fast charging than range. We'll see mainstream cars stabilizing at ~400 miles range and fast charging capability. Chinese CATL and BYD (2 largest battery manufacturers) already follow this pathway.
Game changers 4-5 times a week. EV should be perfect by now...
I know right ! Yet the people are really excited for the new Tacoma and Land Cruiser, the market will decide and Toyota is ready for whatever sells on behalf of shareholders
The car I want most right now is a Toyota Sienna.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
If you aren’t a futurist, and prefer pessimism, why subject your brain resources to coming, watching, and commenting?
@@williamcrowley5506you’re missing their point. Toyota has base solid state battery claims since *2008*
Until they actually have something to show for themselves they are no longer to be taken seriously. They have been nothing but empty claims, and we have yet to even see prototypes.
They’re also still saying hydrogen is the future while they have something as game changing as a solid state battery? It’s all bullshit until they show the bare minimum level of credibility
Game changer mate ! 😂
There are a number of factors that could explain Toyota's change of heart. One possibility is that they have finally developed battery technology that is cost-competitive with gasoline-powered vehicles. Another possibility is that they have become more confident in the long-term viability of the electric vehicle market.
Whatever the reason, it is clear that Toyota is now ready to compete in the electric vehicle market. They have a strong brand name, a deep history of innovation, and a wealth of experience in automotive manufacturing. They are well-positioned to be a major player in the electric vehicle market in the years to come.
I hope your right. I just wish they'd stop the bipolar statements from their management. One day they say they have a super battery and the next day they'll state the EV's over hyped and Ice is the future. Some of these statements coming from Akio Toyoda himself.
@@Ryan-ff2db I understand your concern about the mixed messages coming from Toyota's management regarding their electric vehicle strategy. It can be confusing and frustrating to hear conflicting statements from a company that is supposed to be a leader in the automotive industry.
Is from china
Yep. If I was forced into buying an EV in a few years it certainly would not be a Tesla. I rented a brand new one last year for 10 days. Appalling quality control. Panel gaps that a snake could crawl through, ridiculous big screen flapping around over corrugations, cheap plastic trim, and the range and charging experience was terrible. I have owned 4 HiLux's and a Toyota Corona (plus several other vehicles, Ford, GM, etc) over many decades and I would probably go the Toyota EV route when they eventually get properly sorted out. I also will never buy a Chinese car, EV or ICE.
@@ivannavi8154 You should see the newer Ford and RAM diesel work trucks. I've had 23 recalls in the last 2 years, with one recall on my RAM 3500 for a fire hazard, which their fix is to recommend not parking it in a garage or near structures. This in not a joke, it literally says that on the recall notice because they don't have a fix for it yet. My little model 3 is actually really well put together compared to those piles of crap. If you had one of the early models Y's out of Texas or one of the earlier model 3's I know they had issues but I agree Toyota's are generally higher quality. BMW seems to have actually received first shipments of solid state batteries from a company called Solid Power for testing purposes. They appear to believe they can get these to market in 2025. To what quatitly who knows but the future is getting really interesting.
There are batteries in development with much higher energy density. They're being developed for air travel. The cost is the problem with considering them for cars. Also cycle life is a concern.
It doesn't matter how energy dense the batteries are, if their capacity is 80kwh, they could weigh zero and you still couldn't build the rest of a full-sized vehicle light enough to get 620 miles from that size pack unless it was on a course going 30mph so wind resistance had no effect, or it was mostly downhill getting regenerative braking. Maybe an Aptera could do it, but nothing Toyota would build.
@@kirkellis4329yup, exactly. That or Toyota has broken the laws of physics 😂. The improvements they’d have to have made in motor efficiency and aerodynamics are simply not possible, in my opinion as well. Coming soon… the Toyota Neutron with physics from a neighbouring universe!
I know Tesla already have a battery pack that will do 1000 miles in a model three. The only issue is you can’t charge it more than 80 times. Okay, so that’s 80,000 miles from a pack, but it’s still less than you would get from existing chemistries.
I wouldn't need 600 miles often, but I've had to drive 560 miles in 1 day a couple times in my life. And yeah, having to stop only 10 minutes of that would be ideal when that round-trip has to be done.
Thats true. Toyota said it already in 2015 for 2020
TEN. TEN videos in the last 24 hours! I'm Electric Vikinged out!
He's grinding. A real man working for his family. Gotta love it.
agreed
10% to 80% reduces rage from 620 miles to 430 miles. About what my wife and I get with our mini van or Honda Accord on long trips. On long trips we spend less than 10 minutes on combination fuel and restroom breaks when we need fuel. We carry our food and eat as we drive.
But current prices mean that the cost premium for an EV will pay for fuel for our IC vehicles forever. More so since we can buy used or just keep what we have.
Deja Vu moment when Nokia and Microsoft promising how Nokia Winphones will wipe Apple iPhones and Google Androids from the face of the Earth. Big game changing promises, very convincing, yada yada, then what happened. I feel the same tone and vibes here from Toyota.
To be fair, my wife absolutely loved her Microsoft windows phone and she clung onto it for years after its sell by date, even after dropping it in the bath. I guess having a brilliant product is all very well, but it’s much more difficult trying to edge your way into a mature market.
How many years have we been waiting for Toyota solid state battery???
just wait a few more years and DO NOT buy any cars from the competitors of TOYOTA.
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Longer range battery means less congestions at public charging stations. It's a good thing.
That's a REALLY IMPORTANT THING Thanks For Pointing that Fact out.
@@truecolors5413 if you watch the video, Sam was saying there's no need for 600 mile range battery, 400 mile is good enough for him.
1000km of rage = A requirement to charge only once or twice a month, that sound pretty good to me.
Depending on battery chemistry, that could destroy the battery.
1000km of RAGE lol
@@thestonksmarket1897 In cinemas soon. An EV road trip with The Incredible Hulk.
Add this to the list of "game changing" announcements.
C'mon Toyota....you keep teasing all of this great battery tech, where's the beef? It would be great if some of this tech actually started showing up in dealer showrooms 🙂 I think we are all eagerly looking forward to the Toyota compact fusion reactor/super capacitor battery!
600 Mi of range out of an 80 kilowatt hour battery pack is ludicrous, that's 7.5 Miles per KWh, that's impossible you'd have to do some insane weight reduction with great aerodynamics or make a very very small car, something like an Aptera, no regular sized hatchback or sedan could dream of that kind of efficiency.
Yes I would like a rated 600 mile range. You would get 500+ real world and it would end the range anxiety arguments.
Range anxiety is not a thing for most of us with electric cars.
It’s not range anxiety, it’s charger anxiety, and all automakers switching to NACS has already solved the problem
@@HarrythehunNot in the summer, but in the winter, it can be.
@@Harrythehun depends on where you live
No Tesla owner has range anxiety
Pinocchio comes to mind. I can believe aspirational targets, but it is Toyota and we know their strategy.
They may be late, but their race is not sprinting but rather endurance. They did the same in the past heading on the big 3 coming into the north american market. They all too said they are gonna stay behind.
1000 km translates into 500km in winter. This is barely enough and you need infrastructure to charge them fast. Note if we go all electric, the power grid needs to double in size
Morning mate
High range is OK but even now Toyota RAV4 is more expensive than TMY so I don't believe they're going to be as affordable.
Absolutely, believe it. However, we have been hearing from other companies like $MMAT that are capable of extending range. I believe Tesla has similar technology coming and I think it's unlikely that any one vendor will have exclusivity
It would be unsurprising to learn that Toyota has been doing deep battery research for a long time and may have had significant breakthroughs. It would also be unsurprising to learn they had on numerous occasions decided to not deploy the battery tech because they didn't want to cannibalize their ICE divisions just yet. Things have changed and now it seems now they are finally ready.
Hahaha yeah right! Toyota are just behind and trying to keep up the image by drowning us with renderings of concept cars and fictional stories about their solid state batteries.
Tesla's influence has been disruptive, Toyota has no other option than BEV.
@@koenraad4618Toyota will use maxwels new cylindrical solid state cell! I believe it
The problem is Toyota have been dropping stories about solid state batteries being on the brink of production for over ten years now. They've spread FUD just to discourage people from buying other BEVs. If they genuinely have a disruptive, or better battery technology, the simple way to convince people of the fact is to manufacture it and put them to the test in the marketplace. But they just spread more and more FUD.
I want the thing you're smoking
What about zinc batteries,isn’t more safe and more efficient can be recharged for unlimited times?
Fantastic. Love this competition. Hope it’s true. Competition and race to the top to provided the best ev is the best. Go Toyota go Tesla. Ho BYD. Give us the best if the best
Hope is not a strategy. Don't believe everything you hear about EV battery advancements. Legacy auto is 5-10 years behind Tesla & the Chinese EV makers. Unless legacy auto can actually prove any advancements are true by showing real world results to everyone, then it's just hot air and vaporware. How many years has Toyota been touting their solid state batteries while pushing out the delivery date and not showing any results? And how long has Toyota had serious issues (still unresolved) with their BFD4x (BZ4X)? Be a skeptic and critical thinker when it comes to new technology.
@@tomdrewenskus8167 you’re right but competition is still a good thing and it is fact that range and performance and battery capacity safety and significant improvements have been accomplished over a few years. Probably better words than hope is “ reasonably probability”
To Toyota: Talk is cheap, action speaks louder than words.
It's not only about the range, the cost of driving would also drop. If you can charge 80kwh and get 1000km instead of 500km, that will half the cost on your electricity bill.
If you can get 1000 km on 80 kWh you are driving a skateboard.
How match the drive engine uses power is the key not how big you battery is. Solid state makes it possible to get great weight / density ratio but it does not magically lower your consumption into 2kwh/100
Feel like they try to convince people waiting for their new amazing EV cars in 2026.
Toyota has been saying that for over a decade. And they're still claiming hydrogen is the future. Now they also have LFP batteries. Why? They have solid state batteries. Looks like Toyota is going to be producing two different types of batteries and hydrogen fuel vehicles.
@@felixsu375 precisely, the amount of directions they’re going is pretty comical. Why would you develop a hydrogen car if you had such game changing battery technology? Making a gas car that gets 200 mpg would make sense, because the infrastructure for it exists. Building a car that none of the infrastructure exists for , while claiming you have a much superior technology of a different kind makes no sense at all. Oh yeah shareholders, we just dumped 200 million bucks into developing hydrogen cars despite knowing our BEVs were about to be world-beaters, because we felt like it.
Hmm... more game changing revolutionary new batteries. That's four this week.
On a side note it’s a shame no manufacturer makes the concept cars they are often much more beautiful than the production models
If they add ENG8 to the mix, they could offer unlimited range with a smaller battery to clean the voltage.
Solid state?
It's actually CLTC range they claimed ...
I wouldn’t need a car with 600 miles of actual range, but those EPA ranges aren’t real at highway speeds. 450 miles of real world highway driving would be amazing… and I think a 1000km rated battery might actually get close to that. As someone who’s on their 2nd electric car and shopping for their third, cold weather and driving 80mph down the interstate still tend to kill a battery rather quickly so that extra range that seems extravagant would be rather practical in my opinion.
A Chevy Bolt will go 500 miles if you drive at 10 mph.
80 kWh is still 80 kWh, so increased efficiencies would come from drivetrain. Battery pack weight reduction is where it’s at so that EVs don’t eat tires, wear shocks, and KO wheels on potholes.
never believe toyota when it comes to EV
Or anything, it’s just stock manipulation they said in 2015 they had incredibly battery tech that they will deploy in 2020 that was going to obliterate Tesla
It was all smoke
A max range of 350 k would be enough for me travelling around Oz. The capacity to add 300k range in 10 mins would be the big selling point , not more range
I do think that Toyota may offer a smaller EV that will replace the Yaris Cross using these new solid-state battery packs. The range will be around 500 km (310 miles) with likely use of the SAE J3400 (Tesla NACS) connector if the model is sold in North America.
When?
That would be wonderful to see if it arrives. I just hope they get on with it because there’s a big market for this kind of thing.
It will never happen
@@Harrythehun My guess: around 2026.
80 kwh battery is equal to 8 gallons of gasoline. My last Prius had a 10 gallon tank and claimed range of 600 miles. But at freeway speeds, it would deliver 350-400 miles of range, depending on temperature, cross winds and elevation changes. If they come up with something more efficient than a Prius, they might hit that target, but it needs to be 3,000 pounds and even more aerodynamic than the Prius.
I need a reliable 30 miles, which is probably typical. Then if I can recharge at home for cheap overnight I am good. For long distance travel I typically rent. Give me an inexpensive, basic, hatchback in the low 20's
Why don't you post an official announcement by Toyota? Otherwise everyone is thinking that you are telling bunch of BS.
400 is plenty for urban with occasional trips
Let’s all hope they are telling the truth. I would happy with 450-500miles on a charge. I think that’s a great number.
620 miles range and I’m buying one
I would not be surprised if they did it. They already produce the best hybrid vehicles on the market.
They have been lieing about battery EVs for 10yrs now
that is because others don't bother with hybrids any more. it is an outdated tech. now the industry has moved on to plugin hybrids and bev.
@@imunfathomable so like a Tesla release date and target price?
@justinr9753 tesla is the best selling EV with 70% market share. So no clue what you're trying to say. Toyota has no skin in the game and never will. Stop eating crayons.
Charging stations need a canopy and some toilets
4:08 Common rookie mistake, Battery energy is not kW but kWh. kW is power of motor or battery discharge power. Hope you’ll consider 😊
He has over 4000 videos talking about EV's and batteries but still can't seem to understand the difference between energy and power and what units to use.
Price will always be the one thing that people look for.
Sam
How often do you use the term “game-changer” in your videos ? Ca: 1 in 3 or 4.
There can not possibly be so many game changers.
You need to post a poll. Do you believe Toyota, yes or no?
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Sam, you put out a lot of videos. Thank you for working so hard.
Glad you like them!
Toyota is aspiring to be the next Enron.
I like the enthusiasm, even if it's partially bluater. Let's make the EVs of today look like the cell phones of the 1990s. Innovation! Investment! Adoption!
Toyota's Solid State battery are at least 2 years from now.
They are working with British battery company Ilika.
@@nigelturner3251 Toyota are promising solid state battery since 2018 :) someone in toyota are the great liar
Toyota is right about one thing, you need to have a target and that target needs to be much better than what consumers can buy today. Battery technology is going to improve every single year so it is a moving target. Toyota needs to dream big and ignore what is known to exist today. In fact Toyota would have been smart to not make the BZ4x and just wait until they catch up to bring out their first modern EV. The BZ4x just make them look desperate and cast doubt on their EV expertise.
The 200-mile range is all I'd need. Anything beyond that, I'd drive my truck anyway.
Battery this battery that for a company that’s falling behind in Evies they sure do make a lot of batteries that have promised to To bury the competition
I believe that technology is a long ways away. LFP batteries are the technology of this decade. And, yes, 600 miles of range is necessary for mass adoption in the fly over states of the USA.
I have driven a Toyota aygo for 15 years and despite normal efficient driving have never managed to get its claimed 1:20 efficiency as standard. I get at best 1:16-1:18 with normal frugal use. The bz4x claimed efficiency and range has also had some controversies on news reviews. General questions can not achieving wltp range of any ice or EV be considered ethically scandalous, just like the diesel scandal?
Toyota are always "just a few years" away from releasing these "groundbreaking" technologies.
Toyota and Byd are in a partnership. Toyota sells Byd's in the Netherlands.
Their aim is simple...good batteries not destroying Byd or Tesla....
Yes I would love that kind of range, I live in the US ,our states are the size of countries ,but I don't believe Toyota and I own a Toyota.
Where will they get the money to build the capacity to make these cars?
Even if the battery weighed nothing at all, the rest of the vehicle would still weigh at least 1000kg. Basic physics says getting 8 mile per kwh in a 1000kg vehicle could be done if the car had a CD
I was thinking similarly but in Kilometers. 80 KWh battery and 1,000 KLM range is 12.5 Klm per KW. As my model 3 SR+ (which is regarded as being very efficient) gets around 8, something seems off. There’s relatively simply mass / aero Vs capacity calculations (well maybe not that simple) which would imply these figures would be impossible for a car weighing more than 850 Kg’s with a CD above 2.
perhaps their envisaged real-world vehicles will have reasonable aerodynamic design instead of resembling a brick rest-room.
I agree. Charge in 10 minutes 450 miles is plenty good enough in most vehicle environments
Toyota continues to talk shit about EVs but at the same time claiming to possess the best EV battery technology in the world. Any thinking person can easily see what a ridiculous clown Toyota has turned into.
Seeing is believing. Happy to check this out in 2026.
faster charging isn't necessarily better it's known for battery degradation. slow charging is the best to preserve the battery.
I wonder if they're using something similar to One+ Gemini hybrid battery that Matt Ferrell talked about recently. That battery can truly be a game changer.
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1000 km = about 200 kWh. That will take about five days on the home charger.
Nah… easy! One car for each working day! Use the one that has even charged!
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In an EV "1000KM of range" gives you a "REAL" range of about 330 miles or range if you decide to carry extra passengers, luggage, towing, in cold weather... so do you need 1000Km of range?... Hell yeah! especially if you plan to use your vehicle for more than just joy riding on a Fri night... And don't forget 10-20% battery degradation after 5-10 years... So again 1000 - 20% = 800 / 3 (under load) = 270-300 miles... Come on Viking... you know these are the HARD FACTS...
600 MOR would be great. 400 is a minimum. The western US can have great distances between charging stations. It would be better if they rectified the lack of charging; then 400 MOR would be fine. BMW just came out saying prismatic is not the way to go. Lol
On one side they say evs are not practical while on the other they will build one in the near Future better than ice
Everyone else: dreams aren't real
Toyota: dreams are real and they power out batteries
Toyota has worked with batteries and electric drivetrains for 25 years. I understand the scepticism , but could this still be true?
620 miles is range is necessary... for me.
And if highway speed drive you will only get 350 miles ... or 450 km range.
I doubt Toyota can get it better or cheaper than BYD in due time as they had developed more and wil do so.
But with this range they can sell it as higher price product.
I certainly hope so ...
#umicy lfp battery cathodes
A bit more walking the walk would be nice.
Let's see It Toyota! If it's still 6 years off, you're behind the curve, and this will sound basic by then. Good luck.
You would need over 100 kw to get 1000 km of range . This seems like more vaporware from Toyota . I would like 400 miles claimed to you could get real world 300 and have some buffer for when the charge drops off 10 percent after a few years.
Batteries from…which factory? All they make is 1995-era NiMh batteries.
Seeing is believing
Tomorrow, everything will be better...
Any year now! 😂😂😂
At what price though? Sony thought it was better than JVC abd look what happened to them.
If Tesla was making this claim, it would just be lamb to roast but Toyota is a serious company.
Seriously?
For years and years they claimed that all they believed in was hydrogen and hybrids. Seeing is believing.
10 years of groundbreaking Toyota battery tech and they still haven't made a single one out of experiments lol
Now everyday we hear desperate Toyota has gamechange things
Right now Toyota is all talk and no show. They don't have long to turn that around.
Unless I am going on a long journey I typically stick in $20 of gas at a time and I doubt if my habit would change, instead of driving to a gas station once a week, I just plug it in at home for an over night charge, once a week... driving is going to get so much easier
That's exactly what I used to do with my gas cars, and always down to the red. When petrol was NZ$1.80 per liter I got a consistent 110 km range, so I knew the Leaf would be fine for me. Now petrol is NZ$2.80 per liter, so today that $20 would only get me 70 km (44 miles) range!